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[2017-02-22 11:30:37] paper : zanza: liquidity spikes, b/c it's not a cfd
[2017-02-22 11:31:17] odieoh : the funding amount is really pretty negligible though /s
[2017-02-22 11:31:54] paper : zanza: unless they want to get a lot more liquidity flowing through here. but i could do w/o having a bunch of us stop out simultaneously and having price crash 40$
[2017-02-22 11:31:59] zanza : funding here is max 2.25% a day ?
[2017-02-22 11:32:14] .. : seems like my short in red might make profit in 27 mins, paydayy
[2017-02-22 11:32:19] odieoh : yes
[2017-02-22 11:32:21] zanza : this site doesn't market liquidate
[2017-02-22 11:32:59] i3 : 29$ between SWAP & MARCH lol
[2017-02-22 11:33:04] i3 : unsustainablr
[2017-02-22 11:33:12] paper : zanza: meaning you won't get wiped out due to a liquidity spike on a mkt stop?
[2017-02-22 11:33:20] odieoh : eh, it's basically like paying the premium on a stock option
[2017-02-22 11:33:26] odieoh : you're paying for time
[2017-02-22 11:33:45] zanza : paper: you must be new?
[2017-02-22 11:34:11] zanza : this site will just close your winning positions :) won't market liquidate tho
[2017-02-22 11:34:29] paper : zanza: yeah. all i know about that topic is that they use mark price to try and prevent liquidations from spikes
[2017-02-22 11:35:29] paper : but i also see how much money i lose from using mkt stops well above my buy price ;)
[2017-02-22 11:36:15] BarefootFlash : Yeah, it sucks when you have to do that...
[2017-02-22 11:36:29] BarefootFlash : I avoid market anything at all costs
[2017-02-22 11:36:33] i3 : 30$ lol
[2017-02-22 11:36:36] i3 : go buy SWAP
[2017-02-22 11:36:55] paper : been using a cfd for so long that you start taking it for granted that your stop will close at the price you set it to, down to the cent
[2017-02-22 11:37:02] BarefootFlash : i3: or short march, haha ;)
[2017-02-22 11:37:19] i3 : consolidation expected today
[2017-02-22 11:37:24] i3 : so i recommend to buy SWAP ;)
[2017-02-22 11:37:26] BarefootFlash : paper: I use limits for everything I do
[2017-02-22 11:37:43] paper : don't get me wrong, sfx is whack in ways too. i'm quitting soon i think
[2017-02-22 11:37:57] paper : BarefootFlash: i'm not convinced they'll fill
[2017-02-22 11:37:58] i3 : OKCn quarter seems healthy btw ~
[2017-02-22 11:38:01] BarefootFlash : Haha, this whole game is whack
[2017-02-22 11:38:30] BarefootFlash : paper: if it hits it though, it's not going to move past that price till it's full
[2017-02-22 11:39:11] BarefootFlash : Oh, are you thinking about catching the extremes? Like your sell limit you have now?
[2017-02-22 11:39:24] BarefootFlash : That would make sense, then
[2017-02-22 11:39:42] paper : BarefootFlash: i don't know what you mean by catching extremes
[2017-02-22 11:39:50] paper : BarefootFlash: but limit stops always fill?
[2017-02-22 11:40:16] BarefootFlash : Ah, sorry. I mean buying a really low spike or selling on a really high one
[2017-02-22 11:40:55] paper : BarefootFlash: if price dumps to to $999 five minutes from now, and someone has a $10m stop limit order, it will fill and not get skipped?
[2017-02-22 11:41:18] i3 : 31$
[2017-02-22 11:41:28] BarefootFlash : $10m?
[2017-02-22 11:41:30] i3 : $ 31.80 difference
[2017-02-22 11:41:31] i3 : amazin
[2017-02-22 11:41:38] aethlios : if etf gets approval we end the china era and enter the usa wall street era.
[2017-02-22 11:41:40] paper : sry i meant 10m contracts
[2017-02-22 11:41:52] paper : hypothetically. which isn't much considering leverage tho
[2017-02-22 11:41:54] odieoh : @i3 you familiar with options and time decay?
[2017-02-22 11:42:21] BarefootFlash : If you set your limit to $1000, yeah, and it drops to $999, it would have filled already
[2017-02-22 11:42:32] i3 : odieoh: not totaly an expert indeed
[2017-02-22 11:42:42] i3 : comin back later
[2017-02-22 11:42:50] i3 : have a lovely day all , cheers
[2017-02-22 11:43:51] paper : BarefootFlash: well if SL limit orders fill consistently in large numbers, then my fear of liquidity spikes here aren't so warranted.
[2017-02-22 11:44:04] odieoh : First of all think of it in percentages. The March contract is about 2.7% more expensive than the perp swap. The difference is: a) no funding fees b) You're paying for the time involved before the end of the contract
[2017-02-22 11:44:16] BarefootFlash : paper: For example, right now I have a buy limit order set for $1030, just in case it drops really low. If I see that the price here went down to $1020, then I know that my limit hit
[2017-02-22 11:45:32] paper : BarefootFlash: well sure, it's supposed to work like that. but in my experience, in volatile situations (i.e. the entire reason you're desperate to have a stop set up) orders can get skipped, just going unfilled or partially filled
[2017-02-22 11:45:51] paper : BarefootFlash: not on this site, just generally
[2017-02-22 11:46:02] BarefootFlash : Oh, that's weird, I've never heard of that
[2017-02-22 11:46:33] BarefootFlash : I'm pretty sure it has to go through everything in between
[2017-02-22 11:46:38] odieoh : stop market will guarantee fill; not guarantee what price
[2017-02-22 11:47:01] paper : BarefootFlash: that's why i've been doing mkt SL's instead of limit ones. so my orders fill and i don't get liquidated. but sometimes i'll lose out on many btc just from having a stop dump the price down
[2017-02-22 11:47:15] odieoh : stop limit can get skipped in a fast swing b/c it's possible no one will offer the price you want
[2017-02-22 11:47:49] BarefootFlash : That's weird, I've never heard of that
[2017-02-22 11:48:27] BarefootFlash : It doesn't make sense, either
[2017-02-22 11:48:29] paper : odieoh: ok, thx. then my suspicions were true and the 20 or so btc i've lost from mkt stops might have prevented full-blown liquidations then
[2017-02-22 11:48:59] paper : (here)
[2017-02-22 11:49:13] odieoh : Well if you think about it, it makes sense- a stop limit is saying "When the price hit's X, I want to sell my shares at Y." If there is a sudden rise or drop, by the time your stop is triggered, there may not be any orders at the price you want to fill it- someone has to be on the other side of the trade willing to buy or sell at the price you designate
[2017-02-22 11:49:16] BetterNick : Wally, or anyone else.. can you check the e-mail I just sent?
[2017-02-22 11:49:44] BarefootFlash : odieoh: Oh yeah, for sure
[2017-02-22 11:49:57] paper : odieoh: yeah, so you're fucked either way. if this site was a cfd i'd be set, personally
[2017-02-22 11:50:02] BarefootFlash : Ok, sorry. I was thinking of normal orders,
[2017-02-22 11:50:49] BarefootFlash : dang, ok, sorry, nvm
[2017-02-22 11:51:01] odieoh : Well, stops in general in a volatile market like bitcoin are kind of iffy. The spikes will Fk you
[2017-02-22 11:51:25] odieoh : I think a trailing stop is a decent way to go
[2017-02-22 11:51:42] BarefootFlash : full disclosure, I've never used stops, except as a way to trigger a buy or sell order after I sell or buy at a different price
[2017-02-22 11:52:05] BarefootFlash : Trailing stop sounds like a good idea
[2017-02-22 11:52:22] bingbongfly : payday <3
[2017-02-22 11:52:30] BarefootFlash : Sorry @paper , I was thinking on a different tangent. My bad
[2017-02-22 11:52:49] paper : BarefootFlash: np :))
[2017-02-22 12:00:42] odieoh : Ty for funding all!
[2017-02-22 12:00:58] BarefootFlash : odieoh: ++
[2017-02-22 12:01:06] BarefootFlash : ^_^
[2017-02-22 12:01:24] Dynamix : Well none of my limits got filled ;(
[2017-02-22 12:10:11] ross : My longs got shat on last night, sitting on a .5 loss and 0.5 fees
[2017-02-22 12:10:19] ross : cmon rise pls
[2017-02-22 12:10:44] BarefootFlash : ross: Dang, sorry dude
[2017-02-22 12:12:45] paper : ross: "the wider the base, the higher in space." so consider your 1 btc as the cost of admission to prevent the outcome of going parabolic ;)
[2017-02-22 12:15:35] ross : Soon my fees will be more than the loss
[2017-02-22 12:16:12] paper : ross: soon we'll shoot up $100 in a matter of minutes, and you'll still be on leverage ;)
[2017-02-22 12:17:28] paper : during phasse 1 of this 2 part rally, it would annoy me when we'd flatline/consolidate and fees would add up. then we'd get another leg up and that shit just didn't matter anymore
[2017-02-22 12:20:32] Tetsuo : **0.375**
[2017-02-22 12:21:08] reyno : is there any way to keep fees as low as possible?
[2017-02-22 12:21:22] Jason : [
[2017-02-22 12:21:36] Jason : have more money
[2017-02-22 12:22:10] paper : ^^ that
[2017-02-22 12:22:51] BarefootFlash : don't long when longs are paying, don't short when shorts are paying ;)
[2017-02-22 12:23:03] BarefootFlash : always do limit orders, no market
[2017-02-22 12:24:40] RoftheN : Why not long when longs are paying?
[2017-02-22 12:24:47] narnarfromnarnia : wow really expensive now to be long
[2017-02-22 12:25:02] RoftheN : Who cares about 0.4% if you can earn 10%
[2017-02-22 12:25:11] BarefootFlash : rayno asked hot to lower fees/costs
[2017-02-22 12:25:21] BarefootFlash : reyno*
[2017-02-22 12:25:34] BarefootFlash : how*
[2017-02-22 12:26:01] BarefootFlash : dang, I'm tired
[2017-02-22 12:27:06] reyno : BarefootFlash: How do you know when longs are paying?
[2017-02-22 12:27:15] odieoh : @narnafromnarnia, nah, it's not that expensive. Keep on longin' yall! I'm backing the truck up now!
[2017-02-22 12:27:47] odieoh : @reyno look at contract details for xbtusd and look at the funding rate
[2017-02-22 12:27:53] BarefootFlash : reyno: there's a place under "Contract Details" that shows the funding rate
[2017-02-22 12:27:59] odieoh : if it's a positve number longs pay
[2017-02-22 12:28:00] BarefootFlash : there will be a plus or a minus
[2017-02-22 12:28:04] odieoh : if its negtive, shorts pay
[2017-02-22 12:28:08] BarefootFlash : ^
[2017-02-22 12:28:11] odieoh : *negative
[2017-02-22 12:28:41] odieoh : right now it's at the max it can be, so take heart and long!
[2017-02-22 12:29:34] aeos : do i get charged if i long at futures?
[2017-02-22 12:30:16] elmorte : aeos: no
[2017-02-22 12:30:21] reyno : ok so 0.3750% is the highest it can be?
[2017-02-22 12:30:53] elmorte : reyno: yes
[2017-02-22 12:31:02] InvalidUser : https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide#Funding
[2017-02-22 12:37:59] Dynamix : lol 1111.11
[2017-02-22 12:38:23] Dynamix : /wall
[2017-02-22 12:38:23] trollbot : BitStamp Wall: Asks: 1120.17 => [1292 Ƀ] (8.57%) <= 1150.37 Bids: 1089.00 => [613 Ƀ] (16.32%) <= 1119.50
[2017-02-22 12:38:23] trollbot : BitFinex Wall: Asks: 1118.0 => [2624 Ƀ] (-0.08%) <= 1148.0 Bids: 1087.8 => [1357 Ƀ] (8.47%) <= 1117.8
[2017-02-22 12:39:55] shery : /price
[2017-02-22 12:39:55] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1120.99 (0.54%)
[2017-02-22 12:39:55] trollbot : GDAX: 1119.23 (0.09%)
[2017-02-22 12:39:55] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1117.9 (-0.06%)
[2017-02-22 12:39:56] trollbot : Kraken: 1117.25 (-0.07%)
[2017-02-22 12:39:56] trollbot : OKCoin: 1100.74 (0.45%)
[2017-02-22 12:39:56] trollbot : itBit: 1114.78 (0.03%)
[2017-02-22 12:40:50] narnarfromnarnia : wall pulled, bass drop?
[2017-02-22 12:41:49] InvalidUser : Here we go.
[2017-02-22 12:42:25] InvalidUser : 17 BTC wall Somone wants in
[2017-02-22 12:45:23] cryptobull : Upupupandaway
[2017-02-22 12:46:28] Dynamix : https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitfinex-targeted-in-severe-ddos-attack-amid-bitcoin-price-surge/
[2017-02-22 12:47:55] KyllingLolsson : Either this crashes, or we go way beyond ATH
[2017-02-22 12:48:45] InvalidUser : https://i.redditmedia.com/EG3JBv_afNtTgHs69HLAH7gj_vRaApUMVvf2dSIqQyQ.jpg?w=1024&s=a3a0bc5f07f685975bdaddea33744b55
[2017-02-22 12:54:21] BitMEX_Wally : 
[2017-02-22 12:54:53] 10 : BitMEX_Wally: Fantastic Xd
[2017-02-22 12:56:14] cryptobull : ?
[2017-02-22 12:57:37] thomaskikansha : hodling my coins feeling good
[2017-02-22 12:59:15] thomaskikansha : next funding at cap? omg
[2017-02-22 13:02:15] shery : omg 0.37
[2017-02-22 13:04:21] shery : /price
[2017-02-22 13:04:21] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1120.84 (-0.01%)
[2017-02-22 13:04:21] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1120.4 (0.22%)
[2017-02-22 13:04:21] trollbot : GDAX: 1120.98 (0.16%)
[2017-02-22 13:04:22] trollbot : Kraken: 1117.2 (0%)
[2017-02-22 13:04:22] trollbot : OKCoin: 1099.87 (-0.08%)
[2017-02-22 13:04:22] trollbot : itBit: 1116.58 (0.16%)
[2017-02-22 13:18:12] paper : looks like we might not get the pullback. bullish as well. we can play this smart no matter what
[2017-02-22 13:18:27] paper : *as hell
[2017-02-22 13:18:36] Tetsuo : **0.375** Bitfinex probably hacked again, Looks bad
[2017-02-22 13:19:24] paper : not that i can see
[2017-02-22 13:19:51] BarefootFlash : They didn't announce anything that I've seen
[2017-02-22 13:20:08] Dynamix : /wall
[2017-02-22 13:20:09] trollbot : BitStamp Wall: Asks: 1122.85 => [1043 Ƀ] (-19.27%) <= 1153.00 Bids: 1092.00 => [561 Ƀ] (-8.48%) <= 1122.08
[2017-02-22 13:20:09] trollbot : BitFinex Wall: Asks: 1121.4 => [2813 Ƀ] (7.2%) <= 1151.4 Bids: 1091.0 => [1351 Ƀ] (-0.44%) <= 1121.0
[2017-02-22 13:21:32] Tetsuo : /bulltax **0.375**
[2017-02-22 13:22:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 90 @ 1145.72
[2017-02-22 13:24:35] paper : let's see if i can make it to 1500ish w/o getting ADL'd out my contract
[2017-02-22 13:27:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 1000 @ 1147.36
[2017-02-22 13:27:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 35000 @ 1147.97
[2017-02-22 13:27:51] narnarfromnarnia : ouch
[2017-02-22 13:29:56] reyno : wow rekt of not even a dollar increase?
[2017-02-22 13:30:31] BarefootFlash : Probably shorted around 1132 or so
[2017-02-22 13:30:43] BarefootFlash : Before this little push up
[2017-02-22 13:30:53] narnarfromnarnia : 1120 coming
[2017-02-22 13:30:59] narnarfromnarnia : then rekts
[2017-02-22 13:31:12] reyno : I'm looking for entry
[2017-02-22 13:31:13] InvalidUser : lol shhh
[2017-02-22 13:32:08] .. : okc 7.5k+
[2017-02-22 13:32:55] Coconuter : addicted to green dildo
[2017-02-22 13:33:07] paper : might want to resort to a breakout play for part of your position. or just grab onto your nuts and yolo all at once
[2017-02-22 13:33:53] InvalidUser : Choo Choo, Train is leaving the station
[2017-02-22 13:34:06] paper : once we break ath it's $100 or so increase in minutes
[2017-02-22 13:34:34] narnarfromnarnia : time to short
[2017-02-22 13:34:58] paper : narnarfromnarnia: go for it
[2017-02-22 13:35:10] narnarfromnarnia : waiting to see epic rekts
[2017-02-22 13:35:27] cookielito : narnarfromnarnia: Shorties never friggen learn
[2017-02-22 13:35:30] paper : and i ofc don't recommend going all in from one point, as tempting as it can be :))
[2017-02-22 13:35:50] narnarfromnarnia : cookielito: ah when it's an extreme jump they're pretty good for a $5+ drop min
[2017-02-22 13:36:01] narnarfromnarnia : i closed long at 1117
[2017-02-22 13:36:04] paper : we don't need etf approval to get to 1500ish quickly
[2017-02-22 13:36:05] cookielito : narnarfromnarnia: playing with fire man
[2017-02-22 13:36:05] narnarfromnarnia : always too early
[2017-02-22 13:36:18] -_- : march almost new high
[2017-02-22 13:36:27] cookielito : narnarfromnarnia: go be a contrarian with assets that arnt already contrarian
[2017-02-22 13:36:35] -_- : 40 premium is back
[2017-02-22 13:36:47] Guy : I've had a deposit which has been pending since last night ? Any explanations ?
[2017-02-22 13:36:57] cookielito : Guy: just wait
[2017-02-22 13:37:00] cookielito : happens sometimes
[2017-02-22 13:37:01] paper : 3k+ in 2017 w/ or w/o etf
[2017-02-22 13:37:01] -_- : yeah, btc transaction backlog
[2017-02-22 13:37:07] -_- : btc is hella popular now
[2017-02-22 13:37:28] InvalidUser : Put the txid in to https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/
[2017-02-22 13:37:35] narnarfromnarnia : i was told there would be a dip
[2017-02-22 13:37:46] narnarfromnarnia : this might steam roll up to 1130 easy
[2017-02-22 13:38:03] InvalidUser : ViaBTC will push the transaction in the next block for you
[2017-02-22 13:38:04] -_- : xbth17 fell 40
[2017-02-22 13:38:12] Guy : Yeah I don't have the txid, it was sent from another exchange and they don't provide the txid
[2017-02-22 13:38:37] InvalidUser : look it up using the addy on BC.info
[2017-02-22 13:38:48] paper : best trader i know is less optimistic about the prospect of a dip now, and just optimistic about moon, basically :)
[2017-02-22 13:39:02] startChat : if u know the address u should be able to see trransaction, before it confirms. getting the TansID
[2017-02-22 13:39:10] odieoh : what exchange?
[2017-02-22 13:39:34] paper : i guess in retrospect, i was buying the dip, b/c i kept buying each time it would hit 1102-1104 area
[2017-02-22 13:39:35] -_- : stamp new high
[2017-02-22 13:39:44] narnarfromnarnia : /price
[2017-02-22 13:39:45] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1125.42 (0.41%)
[2017-02-22 13:39:45] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1126.8 (0.57%)
[2017-02-22 13:39:45] trollbot : GDAX: 1123.37 (0.21%)
[2017-02-22 13:39:46] trollbot : Kraken: 1123.41 (0.56%)
[2017-02-22 13:39:47] BitMEX_Sam : Guy: You have an email
[2017-02-22 13:39:47] trollbot : itBit: 1119.67 (0.28%)
[2017-02-22 13:39:48] trollbot : OKCoin: 1103.28 (0.31%)
[2017-02-22 13:40:01] BitMEX_Sam : You can look up transactions on most explorers just by inputing the destination address
[2017-02-22 13:40:02] cookielito : what in the world is the woodchipper
[2017-02-22 13:40:11] cookielito : ???
[2017-02-22 13:40:12] BitMEX_Sam : cookielito: OKC
[2017-02-22 13:40:12] paper : okc is wc
[2017-02-22 13:40:19] odieoh : o k c o i n
[2017-02-22 13:40:21] cookielito : thats what I figuresd
[2017-02-22 13:40:24] narnarfromnarnia : big arb opportunity right there
[2017-02-22 13:40:56] odieoh : stuff gets autofiltered to other stuff. Try typing F*ck, or the current US president's name
[2017-02-22 13:41:15] cookielito : I know
[2017-02-22 13:41:17] aeos : narnarfromnarnia: how?
[2017-02-22 13:41:23] cookielito : TRUMP BABY
[2017-02-22 13:41:25] cookielito : !!!!
[2017-02-22 13:42:24] narnarfromnarnia : aeos: if you had usd in okc
[2017-02-22 13:42:32] narnarfromnarnia : buy and send over to stamp for 20+
[2017-02-22 13:42:47] aeos : narnarfromnarnia: oh nice
[2017-02-22 13:43:14] BarefootFlash : narnarfromnarnia: getting usd to okc is the hard part, though :(
[2017-02-22 13:43:26] narnarfromnarnia : i wouldn't go near it
[2017-02-22 13:43:42] narnarfromnarnia : could be totally fraudulent who knows
[2017-02-22 13:43:59] BarefootFlash : Yup, no thank you
[2017-02-22 13:44:22] narnarfromnarnia : doesnt seem like we're going down but 5m is pretty maxed out
[2017-02-22 13:44:30] .. : yeh would be just a depo to Ver, no thank you.
[2017-02-22 13:44:41] narnarfromnarnia : bull trap
[2017-02-22 13:44:47] narnarfromnarnia : smells like it
[2017-02-22 13:45:33] paper : or do you just want it to be one so you can buy buy buy :))
[2017-02-22 13:46:10] Tetsuo : we also need your password
[2017-02-22 13:46:32] InvalidUser : and CC
[2017-02-22 13:46:42] .. : private keysss
[2017-02-22 13:48:50] InvalidUser : I just fired up Electrum in case some private keys show up
[2017-02-22 13:52:18] .. : you guys think its worth having bitflyer chart open in a tab?
[2017-02-22 13:53:46] ross : Back in profit now, although my fees are high as shit..
[2017-02-22 13:54:03] thxforyourbtc! : hope everyones long!!!
[2017-02-22 13:55:03] InvalidUser : I use bitflyer, Japan has been leading the market lately.
[2017-02-22 13:55:18] Guy : lulz such hacker, much wow
[2017-02-22 13:55:22] paper : everywhere i go i leave b/c the fees suck. i'd still be 10x from 650 on magnr otherwise
[2017-02-22 13:55:32] paper : 638 i think
[2017-02-22 13:55:45] .. : yeh they about to break 130k i guess.. so wondering if that has relevance if it happens
[2017-02-22 13:56:03] BarefootFlash : Alright, gotta sleep. Good luck all
[2017-02-22 13:56:12] BarefootFlash : paper: let's talk more later
[2017-02-22 13:56:29] mendax090 : Bitcoin sucks, more than 24 hours and my transaction is still unconfirmed
[2017-02-22 13:56:30] paper : BarefootFlash: cheers. don't get rekt in ur sleep ;)
[2017-02-22 13:56:47] BarefootFlash : Haha, thanks. I hope I don't :D
[2017-02-22 13:57:07] thxforyourbtc! : mendax090: link
[2017-02-22 13:57:32] mendax090 : thxforyourbtc!: https://blockchain.info/tx/5aca4a82d3f159c10dea30e95861aced93464bf3ddb209b014c683adb78960d9
[2017-02-22 13:57:43] paper : BarefootFlash: some ppl in the game for longer than me even are super bullish this morning. not trolling, just heads up man, so...stops ;)
[2017-02-22 13:57:49] thxforyourbtc! : Fees 0.0002 BTC Fee per byte 53.619 sat/B
[2017-02-22 13:57:54] bingbongfly : this just won't stop
[2017-02-22 13:57:56] thxforyourbtc! : you cheap fuck llol
[2017-02-22 13:58:09] thxforyourbtc! : could be alot longer
[2017-02-22 13:58:14] bingbongfly : I love 2017
[2017-02-22 13:58:18] mendax090 : thxforyourbtc!: Jaxx Wallet only gives you 3 options.. to be cheap, to be normal, or to spend more.. I used the average
[2017-02-22 13:58:19] bingbongfly : making money sitting on ass
[2017-02-22 13:58:23] bingbongfly : eating icecream
[2017-02-22 13:58:27] BarefootFlash : paper: yup yup
[2017-02-22 13:58:37] thxforyourbtc! : mendax090: thats ur problem
[2017-02-22 13:58:48] thxforyourbtc! : mendax090: spend 50 cents and its within 30mins
[2017-02-22 13:58:58] .. : electrum dynamic fees work well, could even use RBF there too
[2017-02-22 13:59:11] paper : afternoon, whatev. cheer
[2017-02-22 13:59:12] thxforyourbtc! : or save a quarter and wait 2 days
[2017-02-22 13:59:13] paper : s
[2017-02-22 13:59:15] spice : 100x yolo?
[2017-02-22 13:59:59] narnarfromnarnia : spice: do it
[2017-02-22 14:00:07] narnarfromnarnia : about to bust lose
[2017-02-22 14:00:25] rapidgains : bitmex index is a joke lmao
[2017-02-22 14:00:25] paper : no higher than 20x
[2017-02-22 14:00:28] paper : ever
[2017-02-22 14:00:46] spice : Agreed learned my mistake with 25x
[2017-02-22 14:00:49] spice : Never again
[2017-02-22 14:01:27] LocoPoco Chatocho : Only 100x here! I dont feel alive if i dont wipe my portfolio atleast once per day
[2017-02-22 14:01:39] mendax090 : thxforyourbtc!: Still.. I paid a fee, which isn't that low, and my transaction has been in a limbo for more than a day.. Not the kind of technology that will "disrupt" the world
[2017-02-22 14:01:41] paper : i've never tried beyond 11x or so. just another know-it-all german ;)) 10x can be stressful enough tho
[2017-02-22 14:02:02] paper : so 25x is probably nightmare
[2017-02-22 14:02:04] herpinator : I only do 10x also
[2017-02-22 14:02:33] mendax090 : thxforyourbtc!: but anyways, do you know what happens next?.. how long will it remain like that or what can I do to reverse it?
[2017-02-22 14:02:43] thxforyourbtc! : you cant
[2017-02-22 14:03:00] mendax090 : thxforyourbtc!: What will eventually happen?
[2017-02-22 14:03:11] thxforyourbtc! : it will confirm
[2017-02-22 14:03:13] thxforyourbtc! : https://bitcoinfees.21.co/
[2017-02-22 14:03:23] thxforyourbtc! : in 6-135 blocks
[2017-02-22 14:03:25] mendax090 : I saw that page yesterday but to be honest didn't understand it
[2017-02-22 14:03:25] Sinterklaas : bitmex, why is perp. swap so much lower than mar 31?
[2017-02-22 14:03:59] startChat : Sinterklaas: swap settles(funding) in 6 hours. march 31 settles then
[2017-02-22 14:04:12] thxforyourbtc! : people expect it to be higher
[2017-02-22 14:04:18] thxforyourbtc! : so trades at premium
[2017-02-22 14:04:19] micmix : mendax090: use https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/ to push your transaction
[2017-02-22 14:04:25] .. : if it will take more than 72h, most likely most nodes will drop the TX and u can send it again
[2017-02-22 14:05:16] paper : decent shot at new ath today
[2017-02-22 14:05:18] yungyang : Pay higher fees !
[2017-02-22 14:05:29] yungyang : like the post
[2017-02-22 14:05:31] Sinterklaas : but in case of a dump the perp price goes down straight away, not with 6 hour delay.
[2017-02-22 14:05:57] paper : well, maybe we wait for china to be awake
[2017-02-22 14:06:12] rapidgains : index should put back on finex
[2017-02-22 14:06:28] rapidgains : 25% finex, 25% okc spot, 50% stamp
[2017-02-22 14:06:34] Sinterklaas : yup
[2017-02-22 14:06:37] .. : btw, you also send like 0.001 in the change (I assume thats the change?), better to just have 1 output if u gonna have small change like that
[2017-02-22 14:07:06] rapidgains : longers are paying a 0.375% fee because okc spot is $24 below stamp
[2017-02-22 14:07:07] rapidgains : lmao
[2017-02-22 14:07:10] Sinterklaas : bitmex:but in case of a dump the perp price goes down straight away, not with 6 hour delay.
[2017-02-22 14:07:48] thxforyourbtc! : Sinterklaas: no1 buys perp
[2017-02-22 14:07:52] thxforyourbtc! : thats for shorting
[2017-02-22 14:07:55] rapidgains : the only ones not in support are the ones who take advantage of the product by longing quarter
[2017-02-22 14:07:59] thxforyourbtc! : buy the mar31
[2017-02-22 14:08:16] Tetsuo : /bulltax **0.3750%
[2017-02-22 14:08:22] Sinterklaas : paper: @rapidgains @yungyang @micmix @thxforyourbtc! @mendax090 @herpinator @spice are you on perp. or march?
[2017-02-22 14:08:27] rapidgains : yes, buy a contract with a $30 premium that could vanish
[2017-02-22 14:08:35] Sinterklaas : a fuck me, im always on perp...
[2017-02-22 14:08:38] rapidgains : im on quarter
[2017-02-22 14:08:40] thxforyourbtc! : Sinterklaas: heavily long mar31
[2017-02-22 14:08:54] rapidgains : if i wasnt already in
[2017-02-22 14:09:02] rapidgains : id be hesitant to buy a $30 premium
[2017-02-22 14:09:05] cookielito : I understand not why the perpetual swap is barely moving
[2017-02-22 14:09:05] paper : Sinterklaas: perp
[2017-02-22 14:09:06] thxforyourbtc! : Sinterklaas: why? you pay a fee and it doesnt go up as much. mar31 no fee
[2017-02-22 14:09:09] odieoh : @rapidgains, the premium could vanish or it could double
[2017-02-22 14:09:26] rapidgains : which is why swap sucks
[2017-02-22 14:09:39] odieoh : you pay the piper either way
[2017-02-22 14:09:40] Sinterklaas : i didnt even curressing no man... ;(
[2017-02-22 14:09:44] herpinator : Sinterklaas: was on perp just now (long) but I closed at a tiny profit because everything is telling me short, so now I am short on march - march is easier for my type of trading (small ranges and scalping essentially)
[2017-02-22 14:09:46] rapidgains : swap should be for people who dont want to endure drastic premiums or discounts
[2017-02-22 14:10:07] herpinator : lets see what happens
[2017-02-22 14:10:07] rapidgains : but when you have to pay 0.375 because the index is broken, you have to do exactly what you dont want to
[2017-02-22 14:10:08] rapidgains : lmao
[2017-02-22 14:10:22] odieoh : Who exactly are the people who "want" to endure premiums and discounts?
[2017-02-22 14:10:22] rapidgains : of course this only sucks for longs
[2017-02-22 14:10:28] Tetsuo : rapidgains: the index isn´t broken
[2017-02-22 14:10:28] rapidgains : but its the same way when price dumps
[2017-02-22 14:10:37] thxforyourbtc! : im not selling my mar31 untill we get a minimum $60 premium and the price is over 1400
[2017-02-22 14:10:42] yungyang : Sinterklaas: I see swap as a short term vehicle or a hedge. I usually buy march when it's at a deep discount and hold it for times like these
[2017-02-22 14:10:59] rapidgains : odieoh: key word "dont"
[2017-02-22 14:11:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 3000 @ 7684.0
[2017-02-22 14:11:37] yungyang : odieoh: well I think you'd want to endure the swings over a longer period assuming you believe it'll be in premium before you close
[2017-02-22 14:11:44] rapidgains : "Perpetual Swaps mimic a margin-based spot market and hence trade close to the underlying reference Index Price. This is in contrast to a Futures Contract which may trade at significantly different prices due to basis."
[2017-02-22 14:11:58] Sinterklaas : if you open bitumen it starts at perp swap. so i thought this was standard tool to work with...
[2017-02-22 14:12:05] odieoh : @rapidtrades I understood the "don't" but by your logic there are people that "do"
[2017-02-22 14:12:06] rapidgains : how can the product trade close to an index price which tracks two markets that are not close to each other
[2017-02-22 14:12:11] Sinterklaas : bitumen=bitmex
[2017-02-22 14:12:30] rapidgains : explain to me how it isnt broken
[2017-02-22 14:12:35] herpinator : Sinterklaas: depends on your aims if you think you would benefit from thinner books and more volatility then march is better
[2017-02-22 14:12:55] herpinator : march is good for long term low leverage positions too if you get it at discount (if long) due to no funding
[2017-02-22 14:13:01] rapidgains : it works exactly how it should, but an index change could help it, that is all, adios
[2017-02-22 14:13:12] odieoh : think of the march contracts as an option. There's a time factor built into it. You're not betting on the spot price, you're betting on what the price will be in a month
[2017-02-22 14:13:32] odieoh : If you're familiar with stock options and time decay, it's kind of similar
[2017-02-22 14:14:17] herpinator : /sentiment
[2017-02-22 14:14:20] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 28.1/71.9 Daily: 46.62/53.38 Weekly: 43.47/56.53 Monthly: 47.5/52.5
[2017-02-22 14:14:23] thxforyourbtc! : everyone knows btc will be higher in a month so ofc they are paying a premium because thats when it expires
[2017-02-22 14:14:31] Sinterklaas : like a future? @odieoh
[2017-02-22 14:14:42] yungyang : thxforyourbtc!: knows? Hmmm
[2017-02-22 14:14:47] yungyang : it is a future
[2017-02-22 14:14:54] odieoh : yeah
[2017-02-22 14:15:21] Sinterklaas : thxforyourbtc!: yes thats it, if you do a long x4 on perp. you are safe
[2017-02-22 14:16:13] LocoPoco Chatocho : Hello any pro taders here? If i go 100x short now is that smart or dumb?
[2017-02-22 14:16:27] Dynamix : And another dump
[2017-02-22 14:16:31] aeos : LocoPoco Chatocho: coin toss
[2017-02-22 14:17:04] herpinator : aeos: thats how I trade and it never fails
[2017-02-22 14:17:14] aeos : herpinator: lol lucky you
[2017-02-22 14:18:25] herpinator : aeos: another good strategy is to construct a wheel separated into slices like a pizza and each slice has a different combination of long or short and leverage amount, then you get a chicken cut off its head and place it on the wheel, whatever slice the chicken stops on is your position
[2017-02-22 14:18:38] herpinator : never fails
[2017-02-22 14:18:47] herpinator : almost like printing money
[2017-02-22 14:18:53] YOLOCOIN : Milk milk
[2017-02-22 14:18:57] aeos : herpinator: sounds like fun
[2017-02-22 14:19:11] Sinterklaas : bitmex, but perp swap. doesn't go as fast up as lets say bitstamp, but in case of a dump it goes just as far down within minutes...
[2017-02-22 14:19:31] YOLOCOIN : Milk long funds then dump
[2017-02-22 14:19:40] YOLOCOIN : .375
[2017-02-22 14:20:45] LocoPoco Chatocho : Come on lets see sub 1100 soon :D
[2017-02-22 14:22:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2 @ 1116.44 :punch: :whale:
[2017-02-22 14:22:07] REKT : Close your longs, close your shorts, choppy waters ahead!
[2017-02-22 14:22:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 17 @ 1116.26
[2017-02-22 14:22:27] herpinator : I think a test of 1119 on finex will happen shortly
[2017-02-22 14:22:37] bingbongfly : NOOO i close my short
[2017-02-22 14:26:23] LocoPoco Chatocho : still lots of sells on finex! its going sub 1100 in 10-15 minutes is my gamble
[2017-02-22 14:27:06] elmorte : /sentiment
[2017-02-22 14:27:09] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 34.39/65.61 Daily: 45.24/54.76 Weekly: 43.5/56.5 Monthly: 47.5/52.5
[2017-02-22 14:27:35] BitMEX_Sam : @Farzad Are you online?
[2017-02-22 14:27:52] Farzad : BitMEX_Sam: Yes
[2017-02-22 14:28:07] BitMEX_Sam : You should have the bot use triple ticks
[2017-02-22 14:28:27] BitMEX_Sam : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 34.39/65.61 Daily: 45.24/54.76 Weekly: 43.5/56.5 Monthly: 47.5/52.5 ```
[2017-02-22 14:28:38] Farzad : nice, how can I do that ?
[2017-02-22 14:28:54] BitMEX_Sam : use triple backticks (`) on the top and bottom
[2017-02-22 14:29:02] BitMEX_Sam : then it becomes whitespace-sensitive as well so you can align the numbers
[2017-02-22 14:29:18] BitMEX_Sam : e.g. ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 34.39/65.61 Daily: 45.24/54.76 Weekly: 43.50/56.50 Monthly: 47.50/52.50 ```
[2017-02-22 14:29:21] Farzad : BitMEX_Sam: cool, Thanks for the tip :)
[2017-02-22 14:29:28] Dynamix : (')/price (')
[2017-02-22 14:29:32] Dynamix : lol
[2017-02-22 14:29:37] BitMEX_Sam : single backticks make `this`
[2017-02-22 14:29:44] Farzad : `test`
[2017-02-22 14:29:49] Farzad : ```test```
[2017-02-22 14:30:07] Dynamix : ('''" ) test (''')
[2017-02-22 14:30:10] Dynamix : df ;|
[2017-02-22 14:30:12] BitMEX_Sam : Dynamix: don't use the parens
[2017-02-22 14:30:21] BitMEX_Sam : See also the little help circle ----->
[2017-02-22 14:30:22] Farzad : BitMEX_Sam: Does it align the numbers automatically if I use triple ticks ?
[2017-02-22 14:30:27] Dynamix : 'test'
[2017-02-22 14:30:30] BitMEX_Sam : No, you have to do that
[2017-02-22 14:30:33] Dynamix : nvm fuck it
[2017-02-22 14:30:37] BitMEX_Sam : Dynamix: it's a backtick... top-left of your keyboard
[2017-02-22 14:30:44] Dynamix : ooh
[2017-02-22 14:30:50] elmorte : `hopeless`
[2017-02-22 14:30:52] Dynamix : (`)test(`)
[2017-02-22 14:30:56] Dynamix : thanks ;D
[2017-02-22 14:30:57] BitMEX_Sam : Most printf-style utils will do that @Farzad
[2017-02-22 14:31:09] Dynamix : (```) /price (```)
[2017-02-22 14:31:15] Tetsuo : ´doomed´
[2017-02-22 14:31:17] Farzad : BitMEX_Sam: Thanks :) I will implement it
[2017-02-22 14:31:37] Farzad : BitMEX_Sam: any other tips ? ;)
[2017-02-22 14:31:50] BitMEX_Sam : Just that alignment goes a long way towards making it readable
[2017-02-22 14:31:55] elmorte : Give a man a tip, he wants the whole shaft
[2017-02-22 14:31:57] BitMEX_Sam : I'll see if we can easily implement markdown tables as well
[2017-02-22 14:32:06] Farzad : BitMEX_Sam: sure
[2017-02-22 14:32:31] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: so how about that excel API you guys mentioned in 2014? :)
[2017-02-22 14:32:41] Farzad : /ban elmorte
[2017-02-22 14:32:43] Farzad : :D
[2017-02-22 14:33:07] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: We actually have a module around
[2017-02-22 14:33:14] Farzad : /unban elmorte
[2017-02-22 14:33:18] elmorte : For real? Where?
[2017-02-22 14:33:21] elmorte : /price
[2017-02-22 14:33:22] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1126.00 (0.05%)
[2017-02-22 14:33:22] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1123.8 (-0.27%)
[2017-02-22 14:33:22] trollbot : GDAX: 1125.25 (0.17%)
[2017-02-22 14:33:22] trollbot : Kraken: 1122.6 (-0.07%)
[2017-02-22 14:33:23] trollbot : OKCoin: 1103.0 (-0.03%)
[2017-02-22 14:33:23] trollbot : itBit: 1120.64 (0.09%)
[2017-02-22 14:33:27] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: https://github.com/BitMEX/BitMEX-Excel
[2017-02-22 14:33:30] elmorte : Hey, you fixed the unban!
[2017-02-22 14:33:36] Tetsuo : `BTC=DOOMED`
[2017-02-22 14:33:46] Farzad : elmorte: yes, it works fine
[2017-02-22 14:34:15] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: Cheers...how did I not see that before
[2017-02-22 14:34:29] Dynamix : `/price`
[2017-02-22 14:34:38] Dynamix : lel
[2017-02-22 14:34:47] Dynamix : Are we gonna go lower ?
[2017-02-22 14:35:09] Tetsuo : yes
[2017-02-22 14:36:22] bingbongfly : Dynamix: yes
[2017-02-22 14:36:25] bingbongfly : failed to make new highs
[2017-02-22 14:36:32] bingbongfly : Dunno why I got spooked and closed my short
[2017-02-22 14:36:34] Dynamix : good hehe
[2017-02-22 14:40:52] Dynamix : I wanna go long ona sure position
[2017-02-22 14:41:00] Dynamix : with 50k contracts all my account lol
[2017-02-22 14:41:01] Dynamix : 100x
[2017-02-22 14:41:44] thxforyourbtc! : im 100x long for breakout
[2017-02-22 14:41:53] Dynamix : thxforyourbtc!: huh ?
[2017-02-22 14:41:53] thxforyourbtc! : will sell after triple
[2017-02-22 14:42:07] Dynamix : thxforyourbtc!: breakout from where is your entry?
[2017-02-22 14:42:15] thxforyourbtc! : 1132
[2017-02-22 14:42:28] thxforyourbtc! : 1120 liq
[2017-02-22 14:42:58] thxforyourbtc! : neways g2g
[2017-02-22 14:43:03] ross : thxforyourbtc!: short?
[2017-02-22 14:43:11] thxforyourbtc! : be back in 6 hours to collect
[2017-02-22 14:43:15] thxforyourbtc! : no wtf
[2017-02-22 14:43:16] paper : akanalytics is one of best btc analysts out there. he just said we're on the verge of breaking both regional highs and ath, and perhaps even today
[2017-02-22 14:43:21] thxforyourbtc! : long of course lol
[2017-02-22 14:43:34] Dynamix : thxforyourbtc!: damn , good luck :)
[2017-02-22 14:43:36] ross : We aren't even at 1120 yet
[2017-02-22 14:43:48] Dynamix : ross: mar 31 man 1145 ;)
[2017-02-22 14:43:53] ross : Ah
[2017-02-22 14:44:05] ross : was having a mind fuck there
[2017-02-22 14:44:56] paper : oh, he also uses mex so might be lurking :)
[2017-02-22 14:45:55] paper : probably doesn't give a fuck about trollbox tho :)
[2017-02-22 14:46:28] aeos : paper: whos this?
[2017-02-22 14:48:04] paper : an economist named adam who used to give forecasts back in the day on btctalk, upon discovering that traditional TA could apply to even btc
[2017-02-22 14:48:13] BitMEX_Sam : @Farzad You can now use markdown tables as described https://github.com/adam-p/markdown-here/wiki/Markdown-Cheatsheet#tables in testnet
[2017-02-22 14:48:16] BitMEX_Sam : I'll roll it to production later on
[2017-02-22 14:49:20] Farzad : BitMEX_Sam: OK, Thanks :)
[2017-02-22 14:50:22] BitMEX_Sam : http://i.imgur.com/l3Y2cmJ.png
[2017-02-22 14:54:30] aeos : paper: any social media you can follow him?
[2017-02-22 14:54:38] ross : How high we gonna go, will we break ath tonight?
[2017-02-22 14:55:45] bingbongfly : down to test 1060 $ today
[2017-02-22 14:55:55] -_- : $33 bitstamp and $49 bitfinex away from ATH
[2017-02-22 14:56:04] ross : Maybe I should close then
[2017-02-22 14:56:05] paper : it just gave me that machine gun sound that goes off when stops are being filled in rapid succession, kinda spooked me
[2017-02-22 14:56:13] paper : was to do w/ msg to me i guess
[2017-02-22 14:56:25] rapidtrades : another reminder to shorts to not keep much money here or use isolated margin
[2017-02-22 14:56:41] rapidtrades : don't let the bastards drain ur whole account in case of ETF approval
[2017-02-22 14:57:06] rapidtrades : want all of them ADLed above 1250/1300
[2017-02-22 14:57:21] ross : rapidtrades: thought you were pro shorts
[2017-02-22 14:58:00] paper : aeos: https://twitter.com/AKWAnalytics?lang=en
[2017-02-22 14:59:11] rapidtrades : especailly on march, premium will go crazy in case of approval
[2017-02-22 15:01:22] rapidtrades : sweet 0.375% next! CHA_CHING!
[2017-02-22 15:02:09] anonymous123421 : rapidtrades: do you just short with no leverage to hold USD and collect interest? That's what I think you're doing
[2017-02-22 15:02:20] elmorte : rapidtrades: you top of the ADL queue on swap?
[2017-02-22 15:04:42] ross : /wall
[2017-02-22 15:04:42] trollbot : BitFinex Wall: Asks: 1128.0 => [3059 Ƀ] (8.75%) <= 1158.0 Bids: 1097.6 => [1221 Ƀ] (-9.62%) <= 1127.9
[2017-02-22 15:04:42] trollbot : BitStamp Wall: Asks: 1129.78 => [1209 Ƀ] (15.92%) <= 1159.99 Bids: 1099.05 => [596 Ƀ] (6.24%) <= 1129.20
[2017-02-22 15:06:57] NukeLaloosh : _yo_ ` @elmorte ` **whatup**
[2017-02-22 15:06:59] rapidtrades : anonymous123421: did u NOT read what i just said above
[2017-02-22 15:07:22] rapidtrades : elmorte: pretty much, entry price below 900
[2017-02-22 15:07:57] elmorte : NukeLaloosh: whatup! Trying not to lose my house....you?
[2017-02-22 15:08:03] LocoPoco Chatocho : rejected again! double top confirmed! bitcoin back to 600$ :)
[2017-02-22 15:08:04] paper : since i'm pretty new to this exchange, can someone give tips on how to prevent ADL? for reference, i tend to open trades at 10x, cross, perp swap, xbtusd.
[2017-02-22 15:08:16] anonymous123421 : rapidtrades: Just logged in
[2017-02-22 15:08:49] i3 : here we are consolidation