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[2017-02-21 16:54:07] GTmann : anyone else buying the btc etf, then planning to short btc near march 11?
[2017-02-21 16:54:19] troll5000 : Which given the volatility the chance happens often
[2017-02-21 16:54:27] troll5000 : Quite often
[2017-02-21 16:54:59] GTmann : if i held alot of btc, id hold and short the etf coin, but i dont
[2017-02-21 16:55:01] troll5000 : Which is my point.
[2017-02-21 16:57:20] troll5000 : Sorry your timing sucks?
[2017-02-21 16:57:58] troll5000 : I bought in 20000 contracts at 957
[2017-02-21 16:58:05] troll5000 : Sold them today
[2017-02-21 16:58:28] troll5000 : Shorted swaps over funding timestamps all the way up the price move
[2017-02-21 16:58:35] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: say you shorted from 890 and your liq is way above ATH and price goes up 90% you get funding off swap and price goes back down to near 950. You close your short. Do you make a good profit? Or break even? Or small loss? Average
[2017-02-21 16:59:00] troll5000 : Big short swap position waiting for drop
[2017-02-21 16:59:16] troll5000 : Rinse repeat
[2017-02-21 16:59:54] Cryptonary : /price
[2017-02-21 16:59:54] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1101.50 (-0.04%)
[2017-02-21 16:59:54] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1108.0 (-0.08%)
[2017-02-21 16:59:55] trollbot : GDAX: 1104.08 (-0.06%)
[2017-02-21 16:59:55] CutTheLosses : shorters are only rewarded by getting rekt in a bull market
[2017-02-21 16:59:55] trollbot : Kraken: 1104.12 (-0.01%)
[2017-02-21 16:59:55] trollbot : OKCoin: 1091.34 (0.01%)
[2017-02-21 16:59:55] trollbot : itBit: 1099.56 (-0.12%)
[2017-02-21 17:00:37] BTCDJS : CutTheLosses: so they have to get LIQed?
[2017-02-21 17:01:11] CutTheLosses : absolulu
[2017-02-21 17:01:20] troll5000 : No they don't
[2017-02-21 17:01:24] troll5000 : I don't
[2017-02-21 17:01:44] CutTheLosses : well you are smarter than average then
[2017-02-21 17:01:51] CutTheLosses : or lucky
[2017-02-21 17:01:55] CutTheLosses : or both
[2017-02-21 17:02:03] troll5000 : Definitely not luck
[2017-02-21 17:02:10] CutTheLosses : ok einstein
[2017-02-21 17:02:17] troll5000 : Just think about it
[2017-02-21 17:02:23] BTCDJS : CutTheLosses: so they make just as much profit as bulls?
[2017-02-21 17:02:28] BTCDJS : or less?
[2017-02-21 17:02:47] BTCDJS : Cos bulls pay shorts throughout
[2017-02-21 17:03:00] Investbtc : Hi Guys,how do I bet 5 btc that the COIN ETF will be successfull
[2017-02-21 17:03:04] troll5000 : I make pretty much as much going up as coming down
[2017-02-21 17:03:40] Investbtc : I'm new to all this
[2017-02-21 17:03:43] herpinator : Investbtc: trade COIN
[2017-02-21 17:04:00] herpinator : Investbtc: why do you think it will be successful?
[2017-02-21 17:04:08] Investbtc : Yes but how many contracts can I buy?
[2017-02-21 17:04:29] Investbtc : Because I'm Irish and feel lucky!
[2017-02-21 17:04:34] CutTheLosses : LoL
[2017-02-21 17:04:51] GTmann : Investbtc: black swan he says
[2017-02-21 17:05:14] bitmors : Test
[2017-02-21 17:05:20] bitmors : '/joke
[2017-02-21 17:05:26] herpinator : Investbtc: around 1500
[2017-02-21 17:05:38] BTCDJS : CutTheLosses: so if you go short swap and long futures and price goes up significantly you make double?
[2017-02-21 17:05:59] troll5000 : Well here's my thinking
[2017-02-21 17:06:04] troll5000 : And yes
[2017-02-21 17:06:10] Investbtc : Do I buy long? What will I return if I buy 1500 contracts at 34.75?
[2017-02-21 17:06:35] longbydefault : /joke
[2017-02-21 17:06:40] troll5000 : So we know price swings are big right? We know the price grows over time and drops suddenly
[2017-02-21 17:06:47] trollbot : Cigarette warnings should also include how dangerous it is just going to purchase a package... My dad left 19 years ago to buy some and he still hasn't made it back.
[2017-02-21 17:07:01] troll5000 : We just don't know when it will drop
[2017-02-21 17:07:40] troll5000 : So at the bottom of a large fast down move, I buy a large position long on the future and hold.
[2017-02-21 17:07:46] longbydefault : /joke
[2017-02-21 17:07:54] trollbot : Love is like looking for a parking spot Everything good is taken and it's frowned upon to go into the handicapped ones.
[2017-02-21 17:08:06] troll5000 : And a smaller short swap position when the funding rate turns in the shorts favor
[2017-02-21 17:08:09] ronensinger : /joke
[2017-02-21 17:08:14] trollbot : I hear Kim Jung-Un has read every book ever written... That's why they call him the Supreme Reader.
[2017-02-21 17:08:15] troll5000 : As price moves up
[2017-02-21 17:08:25] ronensinger : Lmfao
[2017-02-21 17:08:36] troll5000 : I take profit from the long position
[2017-02-21 17:09:17] troll5000 : And continue to short swaps around the funding timestamps to collect the funding up the price move
[2017-02-21 17:09:56] Investbtc : Would I buy market or limit?
[2017-02-21 17:10:05] Investbtc : Please help me Guys!!
[2017-02-21 17:10:22] Tetsuo : always market
[2017-02-21 17:10:26] Sultan Pepper : Holy noobies Batman
[2017-02-21 17:10:33] Sultan Pepper : 1079
[2017-02-21 17:10:34] troll5000 : This collects the funding interest, moves me into a short position with a high entry price towards the top of a price move. Wait for drop, short position becomes positive.
[2017-02-21 17:10:39] coyotejoe : how much do you guys think ETH will grow in long run?
[2017-02-21 17:10:43] ronensinger : Tetsuo: I appreciate the enouragement of market orders, Tetsuo
[2017-02-21 17:11:15] troll5000 : Just watch your margins and make sure you don't get liquidated
[2017-02-21 17:11:35] Investbtc : Thanks Tetsuo
[2017-02-21 17:11:41] Tetsuo : you´re welcome
[2017-02-21 17:11:45] troll5000 : If you know volatility you should know how big possible move's are
[2017-02-21 17:13:05] Investbtc : Sorry Tetsuo, I'm being stupid. How many contracts could I buy for 5 btc market is 36.50?
[2017-02-21 17:13:23] Investbtc : What would that return if the bet came in?
[2017-02-21 17:13:50] Apocalyptic : Investbtc: use the calculator
[2017-02-21 17:14:14] GTmann : Investbtc: the help page on that coin explains it real good
[2017-02-21 17:14:14] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: What's up, dude?
[2017-02-21 17:14:41] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: hey, great I'm on holidays, you ?
[2017-02-21 17:15:00] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Working on my bots. Today is a great day
[2017-02-21 17:15:17] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: I can imagine
[2017-02-21 17:15:33] Apocalyptic : that 1070 drop was great for Ms
[2017-02-21 17:15:41] Apocalyptic : *MMs
[2017-02-21 17:15:46] ronensinger : It was fantastic
[2017-02-21 17:15:55] ronensinger : Was down about 5% for the day right before than, now iM UP 10%
[2017-02-21 17:16:09] rustiv : ronensinger: catched my panic dump
[2017-02-21 17:16:17] Apocalyptic : 10% of your account ?
[2017-02-21 17:16:23] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Yep
[2017-02-21 17:16:25] Apocalyptic : sounds like a great day indeed
[2017-02-21 17:16:36] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: But my account is relatively small
[2017-02-21 17:16:42] ronensinger : I withdraw most of my profit daily
[2017-02-21 17:16:53] Apocalyptic : that's wise
[2017-02-21 17:17:23] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Good day for you today?
[2017-02-21 17:17:24] Sam : /sentiment
[2017-02-21 17:17:26] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 61.74/38.26 Daily: 42.17/57.83 Weekly: 44/56 Monthly: 47.7/52.3
[2017-02-21 17:17:38] alejandromasari : all this sentiment bs bot is useless
[2017-02-21 17:17:43] alejandromasari : don't waste time on it
[2017-02-21 17:17:51] alejandromasari : before the rally sentiment was bearish
[2017-02-21 17:17:53] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: not running anything at the moment, as I can't monitor
[2017-02-21 17:18:04] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: We'll work on something together soon
[2017-02-21 17:19:41] carl : Damn, are longs really about to pay 26% of their positions
[2017-02-21 17:19:51] Investbtc : Thanks, I'll take a look.
[2017-02-21 17:19:54] MikeHunt : carl: 0.26%
[2017-02-21 17:19:58] Apocalyptic : is that so ? well you have my email
[2017-02-21 17:20:02] ronensinger : Lol i love the person who trades in 5 contract blocks
[2017-02-21 17:20:20] MikeHunt : ronensinger: hes from ethiopia
[2017-02-21 17:20:21] coyotejoe : https://www.flickr.com/photos/geraniatic/
[2017-02-21 17:20:25] coyotejoe : peace out
[2017-02-21 17:20:25] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: the 1 contract guy is more annoying
[2017-02-21 17:20:29] coyotejoe : thanks guys
[2017-02-21 17:20:37] Apocalyptic : he's been at it for a while too
[2017-02-21 17:20:38] Investbtc : OK, I'm still being stupid.
[2017-02-21 17:20:42] Cryptonary : /price
[2017-02-21 17:20:43] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1104.25 (0.25%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:43] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1107.9 (-0.01%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:43] trollbot : Kraken: 1104.1 (0%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:44] trollbot : GDAX: 1105.79 (0.15%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:44] trollbot : itBit: 1099.49 (-0.01%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:45] trollbot : OKCoin: 1091.13 (-0.02%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:45] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: I like them. They reduce my exposure from 1000 to 999 :)
[2017-02-21 17:21:46] Investbtc : I'm gonna but 1360 contracts at market 36.50 cost 5btc. If successful how much will I return? I see there is no leverage.
[2017-02-21 17:22:01] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: My bot is too slow
[2017-02-21 17:22:09] ronensinger : I wanna be on the other side of every order soon
[2017-02-21 17:22:30] anonymous123421 : ronensinger: How do you ensure a net neutral exposure overall with MMs?
[2017-02-21 17:22:36] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: you will kill your spread big time
[2017-02-21 17:22:51] ronensinger : anonymous123421: You can't. There is always some exposure
[2017-02-21 17:22:54] Apocalyptic : why would you risk that
[2017-02-21 17:23:00] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: My spread is on average 0.01 anyways and
[2017-02-21 17:23:19] Apocalyptic : micmix: ^^ see
[2017-02-21 17:23:29] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Micmix is smarter than me tho
[2017-02-21 17:23:36] ronensinger : He figured out how to MM with a larger spread
[2017-02-21 17:23:37] Apocalyptic : I told you there is ONE bot quoting a tick spread
[2017-02-21 17:23:52] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: There are a lot of disadvanatges
[2017-02-21 17:23:58] Apocalyptic : yeah I'm referring to a previous discussion we had
[2017-02-21 17:23:59] ronensinger : I'm changing mine to me more like micmix's
[2017-02-21 17:24:13] anonymous123421 : ronensinger: so how do you ensure a lower exposure? create more orders on the side that will reduce it?
[2017-02-21 17:24:41] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: afaik micmix doesn't quote such a tight spread
[2017-02-21 17:24:59] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Yep. He'd staggered. So am I
[2017-02-21 17:25:11] ronensinger : But he staggers at a much larger interval than me
[2017-02-21 17:25:20] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: more room for you :)
[2017-02-21 17:25:29] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Not always a good thinkg
[2017-02-21 17:25:52] Apocalyptic : well I wouldn't quote something so tight either
[2017-02-21 17:25:53] ronensinger : Some bot keeps trading in blocks of 25k
[2017-02-21 17:26:14] Apocalyptic : that's the "designated" MM
[2017-02-21 17:26:30] ronensinger : They must be getting paid a higher rebate to take on that much risk
[2017-02-21 17:26:33] Apocalyptic : and according to micmix it's not him
[2017-02-21 17:27:03] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: It's some london hedge fund
[2017-02-21 17:27:27] Apocalyptic : ronensinger:support said the fee schedule is the same for everyone, including that MM
[2017-02-21 17:27:33] Apocalyptic : so who knows
[2017-02-21 17:27:36] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Then they must be real good
[2017-02-21 17:27:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 1200 @ 1122.64
[2017-02-21 17:27:44] ronensinger : I gftg, seeya later
[2017-02-21 17:27:49] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: how do you knoy that ?
[2017-02-21 17:27:54] Apocalyptic : (re the london info)
[2017-02-21 17:28:04] ronensinger : Heard it a long time ago
[2017-02-21 17:28:17] Apocalyptic : k, see you
[2017-02-21 17:29:02] Cryptonary : /sentiment
[2017-02-21 17:29:04] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 46.9/53.1 Daily: 42.16/57.84 Weekly: 43.96/56.04 Monthly: 47.68/52.32
[2017-02-21 17:29:26] Cryptonary : /price
[2017-02-21 17:29:26] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1104.47 (0.02%)
[2017-02-21 17:29:26] trollbot : GDAX: 1105.11 (-0.06%)
[2017-02-21 17:29:27] trollbot : itBit: 1102.63 (0.29%)
[2017-02-21 17:29:27] trollbot : Kraken: 1107.8 (0.34%)
[2017-02-21 17:29:27] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1109.6 (0.15%)
[2017-02-21 17:29:27] trollbot : OKCoin: 1094.71 (0.33%)
[2017-02-21 17:35:44] BTCDJS : ronensinger: can I ask you a question about trading swaps and futures?
[2017-02-21 17:37:03] BTCDJS : Rapid you here?
[2017-02-21 17:37:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECH17`: sell 325 @ 0.026235
[2017-02-21 17:37:58] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: you here mate?
[2017-02-21 17:38:58] rustiv : BTCDJS: soon
[2017-02-21 17:39:13] rustiv : margin call email from bitmex
[2017-02-21 17:39:20] rustiv : :>
[2017-02-21 17:40:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : Good Morning Ladies
[2017-02-21 17:40:53] Ugly_Old_Goat : All my short perps got covered while asleep
[2017-02-21 17:41:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 20000 @ 1128.74
[2017-02-21 17:41:08] carl : Missed my entry, kicking myself now
[2017-02-21 17:41:17] carl : Goddamned work
[2017-02-21 17:41:20] BTCDJS : Ugly_Old_Goat: question for ya
[2017-02-21 17:41:29] Ugly_Old_Goat : Just sold again to collect funding
[2017-02-21 17:41:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 15000 @ 1106.01
[2017-02-21 17:41:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 119 @ 1105.53
[2017-02-21 17:41:55] Ugly_Old_Goat : ' @BTCDJS Whats up?
[2017-02-21 17:42:10] BTCDJS : Ugly_Old_Goat: is it possible to make a profit shorting swap in a bull market then get LIQed
[2017-02-21 17:43:02] BTCDJS : Ugly_Old_Goat: or do you have to be long H17 at the same time for it to be profitable
[2017-02-21 17:43:11] BTCDJS : say from 900
[2017-02-21 17:43:20] thomaskikansha : short 1x to collect funding yes
[2017-02-21 17:43:20] Ugly_Old_Goat : BTCDJS: Not sure what you are asking
[2017-02-21 17:44:41] thomaskikansha : BTCDJS: you wont get MCed if you short 1x
[2017-02-21 17:44:46] BTCDJS : Ugly_Old_Goat: shorts get funding right. I have heard a couple times now that you get paid if you're short swap but you have to get LIQed plus you receive the +funding
[2017-02-21 17:44:46] ubba : so the annoucement is at 4 pm EST?
[2017-02-21 17:44:54] Coconuter : green dildo
[2017-02-21 17:44:59] Coconuter : S2
[2017-02-21 17:45:04] rustiv : ubba: announcement?
[2017-02-21 17:45:21] ubba : yeah regarding ETF
[2017-02-21 17:45:23] BTCDJS : thomaskikansha: but the method says you have to get LIQed
[2017-02-21 17:45:36] ubba : will there be a livestream does anyone know?
[2017-02-21 17:45:42] Ugly_Old_Goat : BTCDJS: Long or shorts can get funding. Positive is for shorts, negative for longs
[2017-02-21 17:45:57] troll5000 : BTCDJS: no you don't
[2017-02-21 17:45:57] BTCDJS : Ugly_Old_Goat: I mean in a bull market
[2017-02-21 17:46:01] ThruTheFloor : ubba: You said the exact same thing yesterday, fcuk off
[2017-02-21 17:46:17] troll5000 : BTCDJS: no no no
[2017-02-21 17:46:17] j8 : BTCDJS: when the premium / discount is huge you might be better off getting liq'd, but for the most part you should just exit cleanly
[2017-02-21 17:46:24] Ugly_Old_Goat : I do not know what you mean you have to get LIQed
[2017-02-21 17:46:46] Ugly_Old_Goat : Any position at funding time receives or pays funding
[2017-02-21 17:46:58] ubba : no i didnt
[2017-02-21 17:47:15] BTCDJS : j8: right so your in a bull rally. It's manic. Way above spot. You get LIQed. You get paid
[2017-02-21 17:47:49] j8 : you get paid as long as you can hold it, and then you get liq'd and don't have to exit at a big premium
[2017-02-21 17:48:05] j8 : and can maybe even re-enter at a big premium
[2017-02-21 17:48:40] reyno : ubba: uh oh ubba
[2017-02-21 17:48:46] bingbongfly : stop going up btc plz
[2017-02-21 17:48:56] bingbongfly : its enough now
[2017-02-21 17:49:13] n00b : buy this dip!
[2017-02-21 17:49:35] amaru : what dip? lol
[2017-02-21 17:49:52] BTCDJS : j8: is this easy to do? Like for this rally. If I was short 1x from 900 and my LIQ was at 1100 I would get all the +funding plus the premium after getting LIQed? So shorting is profitable?
[2017-02-21 17:50:11] Ugly_Old_Goat : Did very well while asseep. All my shot perps bot covered under 1080 plus went long
[2017-02-21 17:50:15] ubba : well do you guys just think its a coincidence that there will be an announcement today and the price is pumping
[2017-02-21 17:50:26] rustiv : ubba: source pls
[2017-02-21 17:50:29] rustiv : (or gtfo)
[2017-02-21 17:50:31] ubba : its quite obvious they are correlated
[2017-02-21 17:50:41] Ugly_Old_Goat : Just sold the longs and went short again at 1103 to collect funding
[2017-02-21 17:50:52] ubba : rustiv someone said here in chat last night
[2017-02-21 17:50:58] j8 : BTCDJS: well usually the funding you receive is less than the loss from shorting. but you would probably have a profit in USD terms
[2017-02-21 17:51:06] ubba : its been confirmed by 3 people
[2017-02-21 17:51:25] Ugly_Old_Goat : Still net long, but sold out 50% of my position
[2017-02-21 17:51:35] alejandromasari : hey @rapidtrades how do you feel now parting ways with your bitcoin while being short?
[2017-02-21 17:52:01] ubba : ripidtrades
[2017-02-21 17:52:31] BTCDJS : j8: so why do people short one and long the other? Is it for the reason of making profit being long and short?
[2017-02-21 17:52:44] BTCDJS : At the same time
[2017-02-21 17:52:48] ubba : this is the highest bitcoin has ever risen
[2017-02-21 17:53:07] ThruTheFloor : ubba: stfu already
[2017-02-21 17:53:09] ubba : in a week
[2017-02-21 17:53:33] n00b : buy this dip! moon is coming! big announcement today!
[2017-02-21 17:53:41] ross : ubba: check bfx order books, it's pumping
[2017-02-21 17:53:47] Apocalyptic : such rapidhate here today
[2017-02-21 17:53:49] Shaman : good things happened in my sleep
[2017-02-21 17:53:56] indelibleTrade : 'dip'
[2017-02-21 17:53:59] j8 : BTCDJS: i guess you can call it a rates arbitrage. futures will way outperform the swap in a bull market
[2017-02-21 17:54:03] ubba : quite it is
[2017-02-21 17:54:47] ubba : n00b do you know if there will be a livestream of the announcement?
[2017-02-21 17:54:55] BTCDJS : j8: I get the sense that's what sleger does
[2017-02-21 17:55:07] MrRGnome : Anyone member the days when people doubted we'd ever see $1000 again? I member.
[2017-02-21 17:55:09] ubba : later on today
[2017-02-21 17:55:12] j8 : like if you bought the swap a few days ago, you paid some funding. if you bought H17, you got like 2% premium
[2017-02-21 17:55:31] reyno : ubba: your putting the troll in the troll box here
[2017-02-21 17:55:35] j8 : BTCDJS: he does, and so do i and many others
[2017-02-21 17:55:47] CutTheLosses : it's gonna dump
[2017-02-21 17:55:54] CutTheLosses : overheat
[2017-02-21 17:55:58] ubba : need to change my name people aren't taking me serious anymore
[2017-02-21 17:56:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 55 @ 7671.1
[2017-02-21 17:56:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 1600 @ 7677.3
[2017-02-21 17:56:04] BTCDJS : j8: how many contracts at what leverage is the best?
[2017-02-21 17:56:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1500 @ 1110.85
[2017-02-21 17:56:13] j8 : it can backfire horribly though if futures go to discount and the swap funding goes negative
[2017-02-21 17:56:33] ubba : here we go
[2017-02-21 17:56:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1000 @ 1112.75
[2017-02-21 17:56:42] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2000 @ 1112.63
[2017-02-21 17:56:42] REKT : Sell your house, sell your wife, sell your kids, BUY BITCOIN!
[2017-02-21 17:56:57] Apocalyptic : j8: like in a downward movement
[2017-02-21 17:57:08] BTCDJS : j8: I understand that. I realise I would have to choose the right directions
[2017-02-21 17:57:20] Ugly_Old_Goat : Just sold some march aove 1142
[2017-02-21 17:57:22] guacamole : this is ridiculous, wanted to cash out my short but it's a runaway train
[2017-02-21 17:57:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : Wow. what a rally,
[2017-02-21 17:57:44] ThruTheFloor : Calling the top, 50x short, #yolo
[2017-02-21 17:57:52] BTCDJS : j8: so would you say on a risk scale from 1-10 how risky is it?
[2017-02-21 17:57:58] CutTheLosses : it will blow up
[2017-02-21 17:58:00] ubba : guacamole hedge it with a long
[2017-02-21 17:58:04] BTCDJS : 10 being bad
[2017-02-21 17:58:10] CutTheLosses : first leaving the saloon
[2017-02-21 17:58:33] CutTheLosses : and boooom
[2017-02-21 17:58:44] CutTheLosses : i can feel fear
[2017-02-21 17:59:00] ThatCEOGuy : Are we gonna crash before ATH or blow past it?
[2017-02-21 17:59:06] Ugly_Old_Goat : spread over 20
[2017-02-21 17:59:19] ubba : im gonna probably close my longs after they allow btc withdrawals from chinese sites
[2017-02-21 17:59:21] j8 : BTCDJS: hard to say. ADL is a big risk, counterparty risk, getting liquidated on a spike, not being able to move margin around fast enough, etc.
[2017-02-21 17:59:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 1900 @ 0.011380
[2017-02-21 17:59:49] ubba : theres gonna be a mad dash to take out coins from huobi and okcon
[2017-02-21 17:59:56] Sinterklaas : ThatCEOGuy: Past it, but on hope not on hard numbers
[2017-02-21 17:59:56] alejandromasari : I was the only long here before this rally
[2017-02-21 17:59:59] n00b : told you all o buy earlier
[2017-02-21 18:00:00] Ugly_Old_Goat : ThatCEOGuy: No one knows to you play so you win if it goes up and can buy if it crashes
[2017-02-21 18:00:02] alejandromasari : thxforyerbitcoins!!
[2017-02-21 18:00:12] bingbongfly : alejandromasari: hahaha no you wern't
[2017-02-21 18:00:24] Ugly_Old_Goat : I was able to buy the flash crash in my sleep
[2017-02-21 18:00:46] guacamole : i had buys set at 1068 that i forgot about that just missed
[2017-02-21 18:00:47] BTCDJS : j8: can you suggest a strategy that is less risk and I'll keep that one in the memory banks for when I'm more clued up
[2017-02-21 18:00:49] cookielito : TAKE THAT SHORTIES
[2017-02-21 18:00:57] Ugly_Old_Goat : I sold out a bit earcy but very nice profit and still net long 80 btc
[2017-02-21 18:02:20] j8 : BTCDJS: anything involving arbitrage has all these risks, which just means that you don't do it until the reward is big enough
[2017-02-21 18:02:46] guacamole : i'm annoyed more by the missed profit potential from 990 - 1110 i missed out on than my losses from shorting
[2017-02-21 18:03:05] BTCDJS : j8: ok. I'm going to go to school on this stuff. Thanks
[2017-02-21 18:03:22] n00b : buy this dip dont miss out
[2017-02-21 18:03:31] j8 : if you're interested in USD profit then you can just short the swap when the premium / funding is good. you might miss out on BTC upside but a lot of people are happy to take the 1% a day or whatever when it's rallying
[2017-02-21 18:04:33] guacamole : j8: the potential problem is if it then drops after you close your short and are neutral, you can still end up losing
[2017-02-21 18:04:37] BTCDJS : j8: k so how many contracts at what leverage? 1x 10k?
[2017-02-21 18:05:08] j8 : guacamole: can't blame the trade for what happens after the trade is closed
[2017-02-21 18:05:27] Ugly_Old_Goat : Payday in one hour
[2017-02-21 18:05:34] j8 : BTCDJS: 700k if you're sleger
[2017-02-21 18:05:39] mxtrad342 : Will we ever look back at < 1000 per bitcoin?
[2017-02-21 18:05:52] Ahhere : mxtrad342: yes with fondness
[2017-02-21 18:05:55] BTCDJS : j8: will 1btc be enough?
[2017-02-21 18:06:07] Ugly_Old_Goat : mxtrad342: no that is history
[2017-02-21 18:06:17] BTCDJS : margin balance
[2017-02-21 18:06:19] Ugly_Old_Goat : market reset
[2017-02-21 18:06:24] j8 : it doesn't matter how much, you're making percentage returns
[2017-02-21 18:06:42] Cryptonary : /wall
[2017-02-21 18:06:42] trollbot : BitFinex Wall: Asks: 1122.2 => [2774 Ƀ] (10.3%) <= 1152.2 Bids: 1092.1 => [1585 Ƀ] (44.22%) <= 1122.1
[2017-02-21 18:06:42] trollbot : BitStamp Wall: Asks: 1116.98 => [785 Ƀ] (29.75%) <= 1147.00 Bids: 1084.00 => [510 Ƀ] (14.61%) <= 1114.73
[2017-02-21 18:06:44] -_- : damn i didnt long the dip like a noob
[2017-02-21 18:06:53] Ahhere : -_-: always dong the lip bro
[2017-02-21 18:06:56] mxtrad342 : i @Ugly_Old_Goat you think? even if the ETF does not go through? maybe that is the last time it goes down?
[2017-02-21 18:07:05] sleger : I try to stay below 1m, that was my largest XBTUSD Funding 898237 987.92 909.2224 XBT -0.1511% -1.373835 XBT @BTCDJS
[2017-02-21 18:07:06] n00b : -_-: its still a dip pal dont miss out
[2017-02-21 18:07:38] Ugly_Old_Goat : Etf is a non issue. I do not trade news
[2017-02-21 18:08:04] Ugly_Old_Goat : If it goes down I am a buyer. If it goes up fine, I am long
[2017-02-21 18:08:09] Ahhere : sleger: why below 1m?
[2017-02-21 18:08:46] Coconuter : because its hard to find 1 million buyers to get out
[2017-02-21 18:09:06] sleger : Ahhere: because its hard to close and you represent too much of the open interest
[2017-02-21 18:09:12] n00b : Ugly_Old_Goat: do you ever sell? you said youre closing slowly earlier didnt you?
[2017-02-21 18:09:28] Cryptonary : /sentiment
[2017-02-21 18:09:31] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 21.24/78.76 Daily: 40.93/59.07 Weekly: 43.52/56.48 Monthly: 47.59/52.42
[2017-02-21 18:09:47] Ugly_Old_Goat : Yes, I sell all the time but I am never net short
[2017-02-21 18:10:05] BTCDJS : sleger: so when you close what price range do you want to close at?
[2017-02-21 18:10:17] sleger : idk
[2017-02-21 18:10:33] BTCDJS : Back where you started?
[2017-02-21 18:10:34] Ahhere : Coconuter: @sleger liquidity fucked me up the other day
[2017-02-21 18:10:48] Ahhere : but my own fault not clicking mark
[2017-02-21 18:10:49] paniktrade : got damn it got stopped out on that wick and was too pussy to get back in
[2017-02-21 18:10:49] j8 : it is pretty surreal when you start to see 1BTC+ rolling in every 8 hours, for doing nothing
[2017-02-21 18:10:52] n00b : buy this dip dont miss out o free money
[2017-02-21 18:10:54] Cryptonary : /price
[2017-02-21 18:10:55] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1114.60 (0.92%)
[2017-02-21 18:10:55] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1121.4 (1.06%)
[2017-02-21 18:10:55] trollbot : GDAX: 1116.93 (1.07%)
[2017-02-21 18:10:55] Coconuter : lol i lost 15btc closing a BTCCNY trade that the orders disappeared on Xmass
[2017-02-21 18:10:55] trollbot : Kraken: 1121.11 (1.2%)
[2017-02-21 18:10:56] trollbot : itBit: 1114.44 (1.07%)
[2017-02-21 18:10:56] Ugly_Old_Goat : For example I sold perp last night over 1007 and bot back and sent long under 1080
[2017-02-21 18:10:57] trollbot : OKCoin: 1108.9 (1.3%)
[2017-02-21 18:10:58] BTCDJS : do you get LIQed?
[2017-02-21 18:11:05] Coconuter : thats how fucked up liquidity is
[2017-02-21 18:11:25] Ahhere : Coconuter: same
[2017-02-21 18:11:36] Ugly_Old_Goat : Sold the longs and went short again at 1103, way too early incidently
[2017-02-21 18:11:43] Ugly_Old_Goat : But its all good
[2017-02-21 18:12:03] sleger : j8: next 2 fundings will be even better
[2017-02-21 18:12:23] j8 : yeah looking good
[2017-02-21 18:12:56] Ahhere : Coconuter: but doesnt matter what price is on here it will be bought up or down to meet spot unless you are too whalicious, so I learned just be liquid and avoid stops esp last price instead of mark
[2017-02-21 18:12:56] BTCDJS : sleger: you long futures too right?
[2017-02-21 18:13:05] sleger : yes
[2017-02-21 18:13:21] Ugly_Old_Goat : The March spread is at such a premium I do not like March much anymore. Prefer to buy perp or cash on another exchange
[2017-02-21 18:13:24] BTCDJS : Right I'm going to school
[2017-02-21 18:13:37] Ahhere : BTCDJS: u student?
[2017-02-21 18:13:39] Ugly_Old_Goat : You must also learn to arb here with other markets
[2017-02-21 18:13:44] -_- : Ugly_Old_Goat: but premium on march going back to $150 it's free money
[2017-02-21 18:13:48] Coconuter : Ahhere: now i usually only close 1000 contracts at a time
[2017-02-21 18:13:50] Coconuter : lol
[2017-02-21 18:13:54] sleger : well I longed the futures at 100-200$ discount so I like them :D
[2017-02-21 18:13:59] BTCDJS : Ahhere: no I'm researching this stuff
[2017-02-21 18:14:18] Ugly_Old_Goat : Maybe, but it will also be at zero on March 31
[2017-02-21 18:14:27] Ahhere : Coconuter: yes I do that too, but patience is hard. Would like to learn how to make bots for that reason
[2017-02-21 18:14:45] Ugly_Old_Goat : I will be out of march long before a premium of 150
[2017-02-21 18:15:10] Ugly_Old_Goat : I will be selling March and buying somewhere else if that happens
[2017-02-21 18:15:20] j8 : 150 not happening dreamers
[2017-02-21 18:15:40] Coconuter : Ahhere: right would be good to sleep well with a bot controlling everything, one day when i get older i might buy one
[2017-02-21 18:16:01] Ahhere : Coconuter: older lol?
[2017-02-21 18:16:09] BTCDJS : My dinky little predictions and such are child's play. There's a lot more I need to know about taking advantage of premiums and price differences.
[2017-02-21 18:16:39] BTCDJS : Why they happen etc etc
[2017-02-21 18:16:44] Coconuter : Ahhere: yes now im my 30's its fine to stay awake but when i get little older and bored ill hire a bot for sure
[2017-02-21 18:16:49] j8 : i bet like 50% of trading volume is arbitrage
[2017-02-21 18:17:12] Ahhere : Coconuter: night shifts are never good. Play havoc with your body even at 30s
[2017-02-21 18:17:32] -_- : ETF approved before new quarterly starts = moon
[2017-02-21 18:17:47] Coconuter : Ahhere: i did it for years with eletronic festivals so at home and making money its easy
[2017-02-21 18:17:50] Coconuter : lolz
[2017-02-21 18:17:50] -_- : either pay .375% every 8 hours or pay march premium
[2017-02-21 18:17:58] Ahhere : dj? @Coconuter
[2017-02-21 18:18:22] Coconuter : Ahhere: yep i played a lot but now only at home and pvt parties
[2017-02-21 18:18:26] sleger : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-21/bitcoin-soars-above-1100-near-record-highs-chinese-bypass-crackdown
[2017-02-21 18:18:33] Coconuter : and also went to loads of festivals when i was younger
[2017-02-21 18:18:38] Coconuter : was fun
[2017-02-21 18:18:43] Coconuter : =)
[2017-02-21 18:19:19] Ahhere : Coconuter: cool I used to club dj onlly once or twice to a big big crowd . Still tho if ur human it catches up with you sleep is important for some reason
[2017-02-21 18:19:46] Coconuter : nice music is the core of our existance
[2017-02-21 18:19:52] Coconuter : vibrational beings
[2017-02-21 18:20:09] BTCDJS : sleger: would I be wise to dump ETH and XMR for BTC?
[2017-02-21 18:20:13] Coconuter : and this trade thing i only do once every few months and run away before the market takes it back
[2017-02-21 18:20:20] Coconuter : im not addicted like sleger
[2017-02-21 18:20:22] sleger : WAHAHAHA dummy
[2017-02-21 18:20:29] Ahhere : better than coffee @Coconuter
[2017-02-21 18:20:31] amaru : BTCDJS: you should already have
[2017-02-21 18:20:32] jigsaw : Coconuter: I told pussy was
[2017-02-21 18:21:07] ross : /price
[2017-02-21 18:21:07] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1121.6 (0.02%)
[2017-02-21 18:21:07] trollbot : GDAX: 1116.35 (-0.05%)
[2017-02-21 18:21:07] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1118.00 (0.31%)
[2017-02-21 18:21:08] trollbot : itBit: 1118 (0.32%)
[2017-02-21 18:21:08] trollbot : Kraken: 1119.21 (-0.17%)
[2017-02-21 18:21:08] trollbot : OKCoin: 1110.01 (0.1%)
[2017-02-21 18:21:13] ross : stamp going for it
[2017-02-21 18:21:30] Derreck : /sentiment
[2017-02-21 18:21:33] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 23.66/76.34 Daily: 41.11/58.89 Weekly: 43.56/56.44 Monthly: 47.58/52.42
[2017-02-21 18:22:02] MrRGnome : It should really just say "bull af" when you want the sentiment.
[2017-02-21 18:22:51] MrRGnome : Any brave souls short here?
[2017-02-21 18:23:20] -_- : $45 and $54 away from next 2 highs on Bitfinex
[2017-02-21 18:23:27] -_- : after that no more highs to break
[2017-02-21 18:24:19] BTCDJS : THANKS FOR THE FOLLOW BRIAN you know who you are
[2017-02-21 18:24:40] sleger : /joke
[2017-02-21 18:24:41] BTCDJS : Ah Here is the bull run again
[2017-02-21 18:24:49] trollbot : My ex-girlfriend tried to humiliate me by telling all her friends I was terrible in bed. Imagine her surprise when they all disagreed.
[2017-02-21 18:25:01] -_- : player
[2017-02-21 18:25:07] -_- : or is it playa
[2017-02-21 18:26:11] jonny : is it bullish just bc it is a bit higher than todays previous high?
[2017-02-21 18:26:18] jigsaw : /price
[2017-02-21 18:26:18] trollbot : GDAX: 1116.7 (0.03%)
[2017-02-21 18:26:18] trollbot : itBit: 1116.6 (-0.13%)
[2017-02-21 18:26:19] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1118.36 (0.03%)
[2017-02-21 18:26:19] trollbot : Kraken: 1122.32 (0.28%)
[2017-02-21 18:26:19] trollbot : OKCoin: 1110.0 (0%)
[2017-02-21 18:26:31] Shaman : /sentiment
[2017-02-21 18:26:34] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 23.62/76.38 Daily: 41.14/58.86 Weekly: 43.51/56.49 Monthly: 47.58/52.43
[2017-02-21 18:27:36] BTCDJS : sleger: Say you went short at 890 and you get the funding. Price rallies up to 1400. Where do you exit that trade? anywhere?
[2017-02-21 18:28:10] sleger : why would i short if the price goes up ?
[2017-02-21 18:28:11] ubba : 2 and a half hours left till the announcement
[2017-02-21 18:28:24] jonny : ubba: which one
[2017-02-21 18:28:39] -_- : ubba: tru/\/\p?
[2017-02-21 18:28:41] confused : ubba: which annoucement?
[2017-02-21 18:29:04] ubba : there was suppose to be an announcement regarding etf
[2017-02-21 18:29:07] Ugly_Old_Goat : Good time ton switch 5% of btc intl Ltc
[2017-02-21 18:29:07] ubba : at 4 pm
[2017-02-21 18:29:14] jonny : ubba: link?
[2017-02-21 18:29:21] jonny : ubba: thanks
[2017-02-21 18:29:23] ubba : thats what im asking for
[2017-02-21 18:29:29] BTCDJS : sleger: so you dont short when price goes up? How do you get the + funding?
[2017-02-21 18:29:37] ubba : im trying to find a livestream
[2017-02-21 18:29:51] sleger : BTCDJS: i dont really understand your question
[2017-02-21 18:29:55] PepeLovesBitcoin : WHAT ACCOUNCEMENT?
[2017-02-21 18:30:10] Ugly_Old_Goat : BTCDJS: Wrong question
[2017-02-21 18:30:13] sleger : I exit a trade when the reason i went in no longer exists @BTCDJS
[2017-02-21 18:30:24] j8 : if you're doing arbitrage you don't really care what price you exit at, all that matters is the spread with whatever you're arbing against
[2017-02-21 18:30:37] BTCDJS : Ah
[2017-02-21 18:30:52] Ugly_Old_Goat : I selll when it reaches the price I want. Funding is a bonus
[2017-02-21 18:31:25] Sultan Pepper : Guys! Say goodbye to sub-1111 coins forver! This time it wont go down! *This* time, it's different
[2017-02-21 18:31:50] Cryptonary : Read that a hundred times
[2017-02-21 18:31:53] Ugly_Old_Goat : But funding can go negative, but should not in this kind of market. I do not walk away from a funding position as it can change quickly
[2017-02-21 18:31:59] Dynamix : To wait with my longs or exit ?
[2017-02-21 18:32:01] -_- : i couldnt find any info on ETF announcement for today
[2017-02-21 18:32:32] sleger : the ETF was not approved
[2017-02-21 18:32:33] Ugly_Old_Goat : Right now selling March and buying somwhere else is a good arb
[2017-02-21 18:32:35] rapidtrades : there's no info, its a bull-shit pump
[2017-02-21 18:33:01] ubba : -_- there was a few people that confirmed it though in the trollbox
[2017-02-21 18:33:09] sleger : its not a pump, just the impact of new money flowing in
[2017-02-21 18:33:11] rapidtrades : sleger: did u sell march at +30?
[2017-02-21 18:33:13] Ugly_Old_Goat : Buying perp, not so, as funding is steep
[2017-02-21 18:33:18] sleger : rapidtrades: I sold some yes
[2017-02-21 18:33:26] rapidtrades : sleger: keep telling urself that
[2017-02-21 18:33:49] Ugly_Old_Goat : me too
[2017-02-21 18:33:51] ubba : rapidtrades was right again he said we would go up
[2017-02-21 18:33:59] j8 : pump the hype, dump the denial i think
[2017-02-21 18:34:05] alejandromasari : ubba: @rapidtrades is now penny less\
[2017-02-21 18:34:14] Ugly_Old_Goat : I will be a seller all the way up
[2017-02-21 18:34:14] rapidtrades : just buy the dip man,100/1 @ubba
[2017-02-21 18:34:19] alejandromasari : ubba: he is short this entire rally!
[2017-02-21 18:34:32] Ugly_Old_Goat : March is a flash crash waiting too happen
[2017-02-21 18:34:34] rapidtrades : alejandromasari: <<<<this guy is a scammer dony give him any money
[2017-02-21 18:34:35] ubba : if he says hes short hes really long
[2017-02-21 18:34:48] BTCDJS : Ugly_Old_Goat: how do you know?
[2017-02-21 18:34:57] tach : wel... bittersweet day; 55% profit; on one measly BTC which is my stash.
[2017-02-21 18:35:11] alejandromasari : rapidtrades: lost all his bitcoins now playing with imaginary crypto balance.
[2017-02-21 18:35:12] tach : anyway 550 bucks are 550 bucks.
[2017-02-21 18:35:16] sleger : wall street canada boy is back !
[2017-02-21 18:35:21] Ugly_Old_Goat : The preimium. It must be at zero on March 31
[2017-02-21 18:35:27] rapidtrades : alejandromasari: <<this guy is a scammer dony give him any money
[2017-02-21 18:35:34] sleger : and a refugee
[2017-02-21 18:35:41] rapidtrades : and ugly
[2017-02-21 18:35:41] -_- : the new one opens 2 weeks before the old one closes. no one will trade the march
[2017-02-21 18:35:42] alejandromasari : rapidtrades: I already took your money
[2017-02-21 18:35:45] alejandromasari : being long!
[2017-02-21 18:35:50] ubba : tach thats nice more than what people make in their vanguards
[2017-02-21 18:35:53] rapidtrades : alejandromasari: shut up ugly
[2017-02-21 18:35:55] alejandromasari : zero sum game haha
[2017-02-21 18:35:57] Ugly_Old_Goat : All the late buyers of March will go through a test of fire
[2017-02-21 18:35:58] -_- : so we'll be trading at a large premium in the june by then
[2017-02-21 18:35:59] ubba : in years lol
[2017-02-21 18:36:07] Wings : /price
[2017-02-21 18:36:07] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1116.90 (-0.13%)
[2017-02-21 18:36:07] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1121.7 (0.05%)
[2017-02-21 18:36:07] trollbot : GDAX: 1117.96 (0.11%)
[2017-02-21 18:36:08] trollbot : Kraken: 1118.12 (-0.37%)
[2017-02-21 18:36:08] trollbot : OKCoin: 1110.67 (0.06%)
[2017-02-21 18:36:08] trollbot : itBit: 1116.6 (0%)
[2017-02-21 18:36:45] Ugly_Old_Goat : Notce that perp broke hard last night March did not. It will and will like flash to a discount
[2017-02-21 18:36:48] alejandromasari : rapidtrades: I see you are reacting extremely from pain... how about some prozac to dull your sadness
[2017-02-21 18:36:52] tach : thanks, deleveraging now, going to 3x for the night
[2017-02-21 18:36:52] alejandromasari : haha
[2017-02-21 18:37:06] rapidtrades : alejandromasari: <<this guy is a scammer dony give him any money
[2017-02-21 18:37:12] etoque : wow
[2017-02-21 18:37:24] BTCDJS : Hes still self conscious about his small peepee so hes here now to try and make it appear bigger in his mind. Shame he never wins and it just gets smaller and smaller. He cries every night about it. He goes to touch it. But its just limp and tiny. @sleger
[2017-02-21 18:37:59] sleger : who is "He" ?
[2017-02-21 18:38:01] BTCDJS : the more he goes to the gym the smaller it gets
[2017-02-21 18:38:03] Ugly_Old_Goat : Again, I am seller of March with lowball orders to buy back in event of crash which will come. We just don't know when or the magnitude