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[2017-02-21 16:21:13] herpinator : I wish all of you the best for all of your trades. Lets make money together!
[2017-02-21 16:21:29] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: buy market 9000 contracts, at 100x
[2017-02-21 16:21:43] n00bie : lol
[2017-02-21 16:21:50] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: nooo... Never x100!!
[2017-02-21 16:22:01] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: why
[2017-02-21 16:22:07] herpinator : coyotejoe: 100x is not good try 10x, risk is too great
[2017-02-21 16:22:22] coyotejoe : already did it, rapidtrades told me to
[2017-02-21 16:22:34] KyllingLolsson : IF the price move 10$ you lose!!
[2017-02-21 16:22:51] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: you will see how easy you will lose
[2017-02-21 16:23:06] KyllingLolsson : Btc is too volaile
[2017-02-21 16:23:17] KyllingLolsson : go 25 max
[2017-02-21 16:23:20] Cryptonary : /sentiment
[2017-02-21 16:23:23] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 41.16/58.84 Daily: 41.9/58.1 Weekly: 44.01/55.99 Monthly: 47.68/52.32
[2017-02-21 16:23:40] coyotejoe : aethlios: thanks for the advice earlier i missed it
[2017-02-21 16:23:59] herpinator : coyotejoe: when I started here I did 50x (the max at the time) and I was actually successful for a while but then I got wiped out and re-evaluated my strategy. coyote don't listen to rapidtrades he is always wrong somehow. In fact a viable trading strategy here is to actually do the opposite of what rapidtrades says.
[2017-02-21 16:24:09] -_- : wow 1121 users here
[2017-02-21 16:24:22] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: i suggest u sell... And the-open whatever posirion but this ttimw x25
[2017-02-21 16:24:23] herpinator : coyotejoe: think of it this way with 50x you have 2% margin of error before you get margin called, with 100x its 1%
[2017-02-21 16:24:41] herpinator : KyllingLolsson: I would agree
[2017-02-21 16:24:58] coyotejoe : sell market or sell limit? and what quantitiy
[2017-02-21 16:25:11] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: all of it, marker
[2017-02-21 16:25:13] coyotejoe : /price
[2017-02-21 16:25:14] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1107.5 (-0.06%)
[2017-02-21 16:25:15] trollbot : GDAX: 1104.62 (-0.1%)
[2017-02-21 16:25:15] trollbot : Kraken: 1103 (-0.03%)
[2017-02-21 16:25:15] trollbot : OKCoin: 1091.18 (0.06%)
[2017-02-21 16:25:16] trollbot : itBit: 1101.56 (-0.07%)
[2017-02-21 16:25:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 984 @ 7518.1
[2017-02-21 16:25:42] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: so 2 usd means to bitcoins?
[2017-02-21 16:25:48] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: 2
[2017-02-21 16:26:02] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: i have 2 btc to spare
[2017-02-21 16:26:06] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: /experiment
[2017-02-21 16:26:13] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: woooot!!!!!
[2017-02-21 16:26:26] KyllingLolsson : Sell!!! Never x100
[2017-02-21 16:26:32] rapidtrades : im sure the SEC is loving this volatility
[2017-02-21 16:26:34] n00b : 2100 is 2 btc
[2017-02-21 16:27:18] rapidtrades : down 30% up 25%
[2017-02-21 16:27:25] rapidtrades : perfect for retirement accounts
[2017-02-21 16:27:30] Alignment : sec is buying bitcoins
[2017-02-21 16:27:52] rapidtrades : ur an idiot
[2017-02-21 16:27:56] n00b : Alignment: BOY :o
[2017-02-21 16:28:24] coyotejoe : okay so here is the rough draft for 2 btc : choose MARKET, Sell market 2100 at 25x ?
[2017-02-21 16:28:27] Cryptonary : rapidtrades: when you shorted?
[2017-02-21 16:28:44] Apocalyptic : @rapidtrades :shorted some COIN yet ?
[2017-02-21 16:29:04] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: u could lose all of it in one minute... Because btc is too immature and volatile,
[2017-02-21 16:29:23] troll5000 : Lol if you're an idiot
[2017-02-21 16:29:38] troll5000 : We like the volatility
[2017-02-21 16:29:52] troll5000 : that's when you make the most money
[2017-02-21 16:30:00] troll5000 : I don't want it to stop
[2017-02-21 16:30:11] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: doesnt the 25x provide backing and its at 1100 isnt it a good time to sell?
[2017-02-21 16:30:29] troll5000 : I want the 10% volatility days back
[2017-02-21 16:30:35] rapidtrades : troll5000: shut it newb
[2017-02-21 16:31:01] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: backning? What u mean?
[2017-02-21 16:31:10] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: security
[2017-02-21 16:31:40] sleger : like I expected #1 0kc holder decreased his short (hence the pump / premium)
[2017-02-21 16:31:51] sleger : 1 184,975
[2017-02-21 16:31:57] KyllingLolsson : Yes 25x is more secure, and sell at 1100 if u believe in that
[2017-02-21 16:31:58] troll5000 : Why would you want low volatility... so dumb
[2017-02-21 16:32:24] KyllingLolsson : troll5000: shut up, because u get chopped to dearh
[2017-02-21 16:32:40] Alignment : do you guys expect one last move by china?
[2017-02-21 16:32:47] rapidtrades : sleger: his long
[2017-02-21 16:32:49] KyllingLolsson : I lost 1 btc due to choppy market
[2017-02-21 16:33:09] Apocalyptic : sleger: was it confirmed it's a short ?
[2017-02-21 16:33:19] sleger : rapidtrades: whatever makes you happy dude
[2017-02-21 16:33:20] troll5000 : I don't. The bigger the moves the more money I make. Lol you just don't know how to trade it. Nooks
[2017-02-21 16:33:27] sleger : Apocalyptic: ofc not how can it be "confirmed" ?
[2017-02-21 16:33:36] troll5000 : Nooooobs
[2017-02-21 16:33:40] KyllingLolsson : Mol
[2017-02-21 16:33:43] KyllingLolsson : Lol
[2017-02-21 16:33:50] YOLOCOIN : how to i make the mark price show up on the chart?
[2017-02-21 16:34:10] KyllingLolsson : Explain to me: choppy waters @troll5000
[2017-02-21 16:34:40] Apocalyptic : sleger: like they showed the long/short position type along with the contracts #wherever you get that info
[2017-02-21 16:34:51] KyllingLolsson : What does it mean?
[2017-02-21 16:35:02] sleger : Apocalyptic: they only show abs(net pos)
[2017-02-21 16:36:11] rapidtrades : die longs die
[2017-02-21 16:36:19] KyllingLolsson : /price
[2017-02-21 16:36:20] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1102.30 (-0.07%)
[2017-02-21 16:36:20] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1108.4 (0.08%)
[2017-02-21 16:36:20] trollbot : GDAX: 1105.4 (0.07%)
[2017-02-21 16:36:20] trollbot : itBit: 1101.39 (-0.02%)
[2017-02-21 16:36:21] trollbot : Kraken: 1104.19 (0.11%)
[2017-02-21 16:36:22] trollbot : OKCoin: 1091.23 (0%)
[2017-02-21 16:36:38] odieoh : @ rapidtrades I'll translate from the German: The longs, the
[2017-02-21 16:38:04] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: look at babypips.com
[2017-02-21 16:38:39] BTCDJS : sleger: didn't his short get LIQed?
[2017-02-21 16:38:57] troll5000 : Lol if you don't understand high volatility equals more opportunity for profit there's no point in explaining anything. If you let yourself get chopped out your strategy sucks.
[2017-02-21 16:39:07] troll5000 : b
[2017-02-21 16:39:32] rapidtrades : lol keep quiet newb
[2017-02-21 16:39:40] BTCDJS : K
[2017-02-21 16:40:07] KyllingLolsson : Eh..
[2017-02-21 16:40:15] troll5000 : your in a high volatility market with a strategy that gets you knocked out lolol.
[2017-02-21 16:40:21] rullwull : troll5000: it also equals more opportunities for losses)
[2017-02-21 16:40:23] KyllingLolsson : ??
[2017-02-21 16:43:19] KyllingLolsson : troll5000: back test, and look for sudden spikes, they happen quite often, unexpected wothout proper reasons...
[2017-02-21 16:43:43] KyllingLolsson : That is what suddenly kills
[2017-02-21 16:44:03] CutTheLosses : PUMP
[2017-02-21 16:44:21] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: thanks
[2017-02-21 16:44:31] Apocalyptic : trolls be trolling
[2017-02-21 16:45:07] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: just be careful :)
[2017-02-21 16:45:48] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: i might just wait it out and shoot for extra long
[2017-02-21 16:46:07] CutTheLosses : coyotejoe: YOLO
[2017-02-21 16:46:19] coyotejoe : CutTheLosses: ur right
[2017-02-21 16:46:40] Cryptonary : /price
[2017-02-21 16:46:41] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1101.98 (-0.03%)
[2017-02-21 16:46:41] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1108.9 (0.05%)
[2017-02-21 16:46:41] trollbot : GDAX: 1104.78 (-0.06%)
[2017-02-21 16:46:41] trollbot : Kraken: 1104.2 (0%)
[2017-02-21 16:46:41] trollbot : itBit: 1100.91 (-0.04%)
[2017-02-21 16:46:43] trollbot : OKCoin: 1091.23 (0%)
[2017-02-21 16:46:46] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: good. I wont tell you to go long or short, just ro learn Ta and b careful
[2017-02-21 16:47:18] troll5000 : Whatever you say man. I do not have that problem.
[2017-02-21 16:47:42] troll5000 : Short the swap go long the future
[2017-02-21 16:47:48] troll5000 : Wait
[2017-02-21 16:49:08] BTCDJS : My altbags would've pumped too, if wasn't for those stupid moon kids
[2017-02-21 16:49:37] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: thanks man
[2017-02-21 16:50:07] Apocalyptic : BTCDJS: the moon is too strong
[2017-02-21 16:50:16] Apocalyptic : you can't fight it
[2017-02-21 16:50:34] CutTheLosses : mega gravity on the moon
[2017-02-21 16:51:00] n00b : all these whales dumping and were still mooning
[2017-02-21 16:51:22] CutTheLosses : it's bitcoin. magic
[2017-02-21 16:51:22] GTmann : hi guys noob here, am i right in thinking that leverage on the perp swap, is just to inc/dec your margin?
[2017-02-21 16:51:43] troll5000 : Yes
[2017-02-21 16:51:45] Apocalyptic : only thing to do is joining the moon party with all your rapidmates
[2017-02-21 16:51:55] CutTheLosses : leverage is made for getting rich quick
[2017-02-21 16:51:58] CutTheLosses : 100x yolo
[2017-02-21 16:52:10] Apocalyptic : GTmann: yes
[2017-02-21 16:52:17] rullwull : troll5000: this strategy works well if u had a chance to open futures long when there was a discount to spot
[2017-02-21 16:52:28] GTmann : Apocalyptic: thanks
[2017-02-21 16:52:35] Apocalyptic : it doesn't change your position size, only the margin allocated to it
[2017-02-21 16:52:53] KyllingLolsson : /sentiment
[2017-02-21 16:52:56] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 39.73/60.27 Daily: 41.89/58.11 Weekly: 43.91/56.09 Monthly: 47.69/52.31
[2017-02-21 16:54:07] GTmann : anyone else buying the btc etf, then planning to short btc near march 11?
[2017-02-21 16:54:19] troll5000 : Which given the volatility the chance happens often
[2017-02-21 16:54:27] troll5000 : Quite often
[2017-02-21 16:54:59] GTmann : if i held alot of btc, id hold and short the etf coin, but i dont
[2017-02-21 16:55:01] troll5000 : Which is my point.
[2017-02-21 16:57:20] troll5000 : Sorry your timing sucks?
[2017-02-21 16:57:58] troll5000 : I bought in 20000 contracts at 957
[2017-02-21 16:58:05] troll5000 : Sold them today
[2017-02-21 16:58:28] troll5000 : Shorted swaps over funding timestamps all the way up the price move
[2017-02-21 16:58:35] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: say you shorted from 890 and your liq is way above ATH and price goes up 90% you get funding off swap and price goes back down to near 950. You close your short. Do you make a good profit? Or break even? Or small loss? Average
[2017-02-21 16:59:00] troll5000 : Big short swap position waiting for drop
[2017-02-21 16:59:16] troll5000 : Rinse repeat
[2017-02-21 16:59:54] Cryptonary : /price
[2017-02-21 16:59:54] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1101.50 (-0.04%)
[2017-02-21 16:59:54] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1108.0 (-0.08%)
[2017-02-21 16:59:55] trollbot : GDAX: 1104.08 (-0.06%)
[2017-02-21 16:59:55] CutTheLosses : shorters are only rewarded by getting rekt in a bull market
[2017-02-21 16:59:55] trollbot : Kraken: 1104.12 (-0.01%)
[2017-02-21 16:59:55] trollbot : OKCoin: 1091.34 (0.01%)
[2017-02-21 16:59:55] trollbot : itBit: 1099.56 (-0.12%)
[2017-02-21 17:00:37] BTCDJS : CutTheLosses: so they have to get LIQed?
[2017-02-21 17:01:11] CutTheLosses : absolulu
[2017-02-21 17:01:20] troll5000 : No they don't
[2017-02-21 17:01:24] troll5000 : I don't
[2017-02-21 17:01:44] CutTheLosses : well you are smarter than average then
[2017-02-21 17:01:51] CutTheLosses : or lucky
[2017-02-21 17:01:55] CutTheLosses : or both
[2017-02-21 17:02:03] troll5000 : Definitely not luck
[2017-02-21 17:02:10] CutTheLosses : ok einstein
[2017-02-21 17:02:17] troll5000 : Just think about it
[2017-02-21 17:02:23] BTCDJS : CutTheLosses: so they make just as much profit as bulls?
[2017-02-21 17:02:28] BTCDJS : or less?
[2017-02-21 17:02:47] BTCDJS : Cos bulls pay shorts throughout
[2017-02-21 17:03:00] Investbtc : Hi Guys,how do I bet 5 btc that the COIN ETF will be successfull
[2017-02-21 17:03:04] troll5000 : I make pretty much as much going up as coming down
[2017-02-21 17:03:40] Investbtc : I'm new to all this
[2017-02-21 17:03:43] herpinator : Investbtc: trade COIN
[2017-02-21 17:04:00] herpinator : Investbtc: why do you think it will be successful?
[2017-02-21 17:04:08] Investbtc : Yes but how many contracts can I buy?
[2017-02-21 17:04:29] Investbtc : Because I'm Irish and feel lucky!
[2017-02-21 17:04:34] CutTheLosses : LoL
[2017-02-21 17:04:51] GTmann : Investbtc: black swan he says
[2017-02-21 17:05:14] bitmors : Test
[2017-02-21 17:05:20] bitmors : '/joke
[2017-02-21 17:05:26] herpinator : Investbtc: around 1500
[2017-02-21 17:05:38] BTCDJS : CutTheLosses: so if you go short swap and long futures and price goes up significantly you make double?
[2017-02-21 17:05:59] troll5000 : Well here's my thinking
[2017-02-21 17:06:04] troll5000 : And yes
[2017-02-21 17:06:10] Investbtc : Do I buy long? What will I return if I buy 1500 contracts at 34.75?
[2017-02-21 17:06:35] longbydefault : /joke
[2017-02-21 17:06:40] troll5000 : So we know price swings are big right? We know the price grows over time and drops suddenly
[2017-02-21 17:06:47] trollbot : Cigarette warnings should also include how dangerous it is just going to purchase a package... My dad left 19 years ago to buy some and he still hasn't made it back.
[2017-02-21 17:07:01] troll5000 : We just don't know when it will drop
[2017-02-21 17:07:40] troll5000 : So at the bottom of a large fast down move, I buy a large position long on the future and hold.
[2017-02-21 17:07:46] longbydefault : /joke
[2017-02-21 17:07:54] trollbot : Love is like looking for a parking spot Everything good is taken and it's frowned upon to go into the handicapped ones.
[2017-02-21 17:08:06] troll5000 : And a smaller short swap position when the funding rate turns in the shorts favor
[2017-02-21 17:08:09] ronensinger : /joke
[2017-02-21 17:08:14] trollbot : I hear Kim Jung-Un has read every book ever written... That's why they call him the Supreme Reader.
[2017-02-21 17:08:15] troll5000 : As price moves up
[2017-02-21 17:08:25] ronensinger : Lmfao
[2017-02-21 17:08:36] troll5000 : I take profit from the long position
[2017-02-21 17:09:17] troll5000 : And continue to short swaps around the funding timestamps to collect the funding up the price move
[2017-02-21 17:09:56] Investbtc : Would I buy market or limit?
[2017-02-21 17:10:05] Investbtc : Please help me Guys!!
[2017-02-21 17:10:22] Tetsuo : always market
[2017-02-21 17:10:26] Sultan Pepper : Holy noobies Batman
[2017-02-21 17:10:33] Sultan Pepper : 1079
[2017-02-21 17:10:34] troll5000 : This collects the funding interest, moves me into a short position with a high entry price towards the top of a price move. Wait for drop, short position becomes positive.
[2017-02-21 17:10:39] coyotejoe : how much do you guys think ETH will grow in long run?
[2017-02-21 17:10:43] ronensinger : Tetsuo: I appreciate the enouragement of market orders, Tetsuo
[2017-02-21 17:11:15] troll5000 : Just watch your margins and make sure you don't get liquidated
[2017-02-21 17:11:35] Investbtc : Thanks Tetsuo
[2017-02-21 17:11:41] Tetsuo : you´re welcome
[2017-02-21 17:11:45] troll5000 : If you know volatility you should know how big possible move's are
[2017-02-21 17:13:05] Investbtc : Sorry Tetsuo, I'm being stupid. How many contracts could I buy for 5 btc market is 36.50?
[2017-02-21 17:13:23] Investbtc : What would that return if the bet came in?
[2017-02-21 17:13:50] Apocalyptic : Investbtc: use the calculator
[2017-02-21 17:14:14] GTmann : Investbtc: the help page on that coin explains it real good
[2017-02-21 17:14:14] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: What's up, dude?
[2017-02-21 17:14:41] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: hey, great I'm on holidays, you ?
[2017-02-21 17:15:00] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Working on my bots. Today is a great day
[2017-02-21 17:15:17] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: I can imagine
[2017-02-21 17:15:33] Apocalyptic : that 1070 drop was great for Ms
[2017-02-21 17:15:41] Apocalyptic : *MMs
[2017-02-21 17:15:46] ronensinger : It was fantastic
[2017-02-21 17:15:55] ronensinger : Was down about 5% for the day right before than, now iM UP 10%
[2017-02-21 17:16:09] rustiv : ronensinger: catched my panic dump
[2017-02-21 17:16:17] Apocalyptic : 10% of your account ?
[2017-02-21 17:16:23] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Yep
[2017-02-21 17:16:25] Apocalyptic : sounds like a great day indeed
[2017-02-21 17:16:36] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: But my account is relatively small
[2017-02-21 17:16:42] ronensinger : I withdraw most of my profit daily
[2017-02-21 17:16:53] Apocalyptic : that's wise
[2017-02-21 17:17:23] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Good day for you today?
[2017-02-21 17:17:24] Sam : /sentiment
[2017-02-21 17:17:26] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 61.74/38.26 Daily: 42.17/57.83 Weekly: 44/56 Monthly: 47.7/52.3
[2017-02-21 17:17:38] alejandromasari : all this sentiment bs bot is useless
[2017-02-21 17:17:43] alejandromasari : don't waste time on it
[2017-02-21 17:17:51] alejandromasari : before the rally sentiment was bearish
[2017-02-21 17:17:53] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: not running anything at the moment, as I can't monitor
[2017-02-21 17:18:04] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: We'll work on something together soon
[2017-02-21 17:19:41] carl : Damn, are longs really about to pay 26% of their positions
[2017-02-21 17:19:51] Investbtc : Thanks, I'll take a look.
[2017-02-21 17:19:54] MikeHunt : carl: 0.26%
[2017-02-21 17:19:58] Apocalyptic : is that so ? well you have my email
[2017-02-21 17:20:02] ronensinger : Lol i love the person who trades in 5 contract blocks
[2017-02-21 17:20:20] MikeHunt : ronensinger: hes from ethiopia
[2017-02-21 17:20:21] coyotejoe : https://www.flickr.com/photos/geraniatic/
[2017-02-21 17:20:25] coyotejoe : peace out
[2017-02-21 17:20:25] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: the 1 contract guy is more annoying
[2017-02-21 17:20:29] coyotejoe : thanks guys
[2017-02-21 17:20:37] Apocalyptic : he's been at it for a while too
[2017-02-21 17:20:38] Investbtc : OK, I'm still being stupid.
[2017-02-21 17:20:42] Cryptonary : /price
[2017-02-21 17:20:43] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1104.25 (0.25%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:43] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1107.9 (-0.01%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:43] trollbot : Kraken: 1104.1 (0%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:44] trollbot : GDAX: 1105.79 (0.15%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:44] trollbot : itBit: 1099.49 (-0.01%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:45] trollbot : OKCoin: 1091.13 (-0.02%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:45] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: I like them. They reduce my exposure from 1000 to 999 :)
[2017-02-21 17:21:46] Investbtc : I'm gonna but 1360 contracts at market 36.50 cost 5btc. If successful how much will I return? I see there is no leverage.
[2017-02-21 17:22:01] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: My bot is too slow
[2017-02-21 17:22:09] ronensinger : I wanna be on the other side of every order soon
[2017-02-21 17:22:30] anonymous123421 : ronensinger: How do you ensure a net neutral exposure overall with MMs?
[2017-02-21 17:22:36] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: you will kill your spread big time
[2017-02-21 17:22:51] ronensinger : anonymous123421: You can't. There is always some exposure
[2017-02-21 17:22:54] Apocalyptic : why would you risk that
[2017-02-21 17:23:00] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: My spread is on average 0.01 anyways and
[2017-02-21 17:23:19] Apocalyptic : micmix: ^^ see
[2017-02-21 17:23:29] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Micmix is smarter than me tho
[2017-02-21 17:23:36] ronensinger : He figured out how to MM with a larger spread
[2017-02-21 17:23:37] Apocalyptic : I told you there is ONE bot quoting a tick spread
[2017-02-21 17:23:52] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: There are a lot of disadvanatges
[2017-02-21 17:23:58] Apocalyptic : yeah I'm referring to a previous discussion we had
[2017-02-21 17:23:59] ronensinger : I'm changing mine to me more like micmix's
[2017-02-21 17:24:13] anonymous123421 : ronensinger: so how do you ensure a lower exposure? create more orders on the side that will reduce it?
[2017-02-21 17:24:41] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: afaik micmix doesn't quote such a tight spread
[2017-02-21 17:24:59] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Yep. He'd staggered. So am I
[2017-02-21 17:25:11] ronensinger : But he staggers at a much larger interval than me
[2017-02-21 17:25:20] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: more room for you :)
[2017-02-21 17:25:29] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Not always a good thinkg
[2017-02-21 17:25:52] Apocalyptic : well I wouldn't quote something so tight either
[2017-02-21 17:25:53] ronensinger : Some bot keeps trading in blocks of 25k
[2017-02-21 17:26:14] Apocalyptic : that's the "designated" MM
[2017-02-21 17:26:30] ronensinger : They must be getting paid a higher rebate to take on that much risk
[2017-02-21 17:26:33] Apocalyptic : and according to micmix it's not him
[2017-02-21 17:27:03] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: It's some london hedge fund
[2017-02-21 17:27:27] Apocalyptic : ronensinger:support said the fee schedule is the same for everyone, including that MM
[2017-02-21 17:27:33] Apocalyptic : so who knows
[2017-02-21 17:27:36] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Then they must be real good
[2017-02-21 17:27:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 1200 @ 1122.64
[2017-02-21 17:27:44] ronensinger : I gftg, seeya later
[2017-02-21 17:27:49] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: how do you knoy that ?
[2017-02-21 17:27:54] Apocalyptic : (re the london info)
[2017-02-21 17:28:04] ronensinger : Heard it a long time ago
[2017-02-21 17:28:17] Apocalyptic : k, see you
[2017-02-21 17:29:02] Cryptonary : /sentiment
[2017-02-21 17:29:04] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 46.9/53.1 Daily: 42.16/57.84 Weekly: 43.96/56.04 Monthly: 47.68/52.32
[2017-02-21 17:29:26] Cryptonary : /price
[2017-02-21 17:29:26] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1104.47 (0.02%)
[2017-02-21 17:29:26] trollbot : GDAX: 1105.11 (-0.06%)
[2017-02-21 17:29:27] trollbot : itBit: 1102.63 (0.29%)
[2017-02-21 17:29:27] trollbot : Kraken: 1107.8 (0.34%)
[2017-02-21 17:29:27] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1109.6 (0.15%)
[2017-02-21 17:29:27] trollbot : OKCoin: 1094.71 (0.33%)
[2017-02-21 17:35:44] BTCDJS : ronensinger: can I ask you a question about trading swaps and futures?
[2017-02-21 17:37:03] BTCDJS : Rapid you here?
[2017-02-21 17:37:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECH17`: sell 325 @ 0.026235
[2017-02-21 17:37:58] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: you here mate?
[2017-02-21 17:38:58] rustiv : BTCDJS: soon
[2017-02-21 17:39:13] rustiv : margin call email from bitmex
[2017-02-21 17:39:20] rustiv : :>
[2017-02-21 17:40:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : Good Morning Ladies
[2017-02-21 17:40:53] Ugly_Old_Goat : All my short perps got covered while asleep
[2017-02-21 17:41:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 20000 @ 1128.74
[2017-02-21 17:41:08] carl : Missed my entry, kicking myself now
[2017-02-21 17:41:17] carl : Goddamned work
[2017-02-21 17:41:20] BTCDJS : Ugly_Old_Goat: question for ya
[2017-02-21 17:41:29] Ugly_Old_Goat : Just sold again to collect funding
[2017-02-21 17:41:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 15000 @ 1106.01
[2017-02-21 17:41:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 119 @ 1105.53
[2017-02-21 17:41:55] Ugly_Old_Goat : ' @BTCDJS Whats up?
[2017-02-21 17:42:10] BTCDJS : Ugly_Old_Goat: is it possible to make a profit shorting swap in a bull market then get LIQed
[2017-02-21 17:43:02] BTCDJS : Ugly_Old_Goat: or do you have to be long H17 at the same time for it to be profitable
[2017-02-21 17:43:11] BTCDJS : say from 900
[2017-02-21 17:43:20] thomaskikansha : short 1x to collect funding yes
[2017-02-21 17:43:20] Ugly_Old_Goat : BTCDJS: Not sure what you are asking
[2017-02-21 17:44:41] thomaskikansha : BTCDJS: you wont get MCed if you short 1x
[2017-02-21 17:44:46] BTCDJS : Ugly_Old_Goat: shorts get funding right. I have heard a couple times now that you get paid if you're short swap but you have to get LIQed plus you receive the +funding
[2017-02-21 17:44:46] ubba : so the annoucement is at 4 pm EST?
[2017-02-21 17:44:54] Coconuter : green dildo
[2017-02-21 17:44:59] Coconuter : S2
[2017-02-21 17:45:04] rustiv : ubba: announcement?
[2017-02-21 17:45:21] ubba : yeah regarding ETF
[2017-02-21 17:45:23] BTCDJS : thomaskikansha: but the method says you have to get LIQed
[2017-02-21 17:45:36] ubba : will there be a livestream does anyone know?
[2017-02-21 17:45:42] Ugly_Old_Goat : BTCDJS: Long or shorts can get funding. Positive is for shorts, negative for longs
[2017-02-21 17:45:57] troll5000 : BTCDJS: no you don't
[2017-02-21 17:45:57] BTCDJS : Ugly_Old_Goat: I mean in a bull market
[2017-02-21 17:46:01] ThruTheFloor : ubba: You said the exact same thing yesterday, fcuk off
[2017-02-21 17:46:17] troll5000 : BTCDJS: no no no
[2017-02-21 17:46:17] j8 : BTCDJS: when the premium / discount is huge you might be better off getting liq'd, but for the most part you should just exit cleanly
[2017-02-21 17:46:24] Ugly_Old_Goat : I do not know what you mean you have to get LIQed
[2017-02-21 17:46:46] Ugly_Old_Goat : Any position at funding time receives or pays funding
[2017-02-21 17:46:58] ubba : no i didnt
[2017-02-21 17:47:15] BTCDJS : j8: right so your in a bull rally. It's manic. Way above spot. You get LIQed. You get paid
[2017-02-21 17:47:49] j8 : you get paid as long as you can hold it, and then you get liq'd and don't have to exit at a big premium
[2017-02-21 17:48:05] j8 : and can maybe even re-enter at a big premium
[2017-02-21 17:48:40] reyno : ubba: uh oh ubba
[2017-02-21 17:48:46] bingbongfly : stop going up btc plz
[2017-02-21 17:48:56] bingbongfly : its enough now
[2017-02-21 17:49:13] n00b : buy this dip!
[2017-02-21 17:49:35] amaru : what dip? lol
[2017-02-21 17:49:52] BTCDJS : j8: is this easy to do? Like for this rally. If I was short 1x from 900 and my LIQ was at 1100 I would get all the +funding plus the premium after getting LIQed? So shorting is profitable?
[2017-02-21 17:50:11] Ugly_Old_Goat : Did very well while asseep. All my shot perps bot covered under 1080 plus went long
[2017-02-21 17:50:15] ubba : well do you guys just think its a coincidence that there will be an announcement today and the price is pumping
[2017-02-21 17:50:26] rustiv : ubba: source pls
[2017-02-21 17:50:29] rustiv : (or gtfo)
[2017-02-21 17:50:31] ubba : its quite obvious they are correlated
[2017-02-21 17:50:41] Ugly_Old_Goat : Just sold the longs and went short again at 1103 to collect funding
[2017-02-21 17:50:52] ubba : rustiv someone said here in chat last night
[2017-02-21 17:50:58] j8 : BTCDJS: well usually the funding you receive is less than the loss from shorting. but you would probably have a profit in USD terms
[2017-02-21 17:51:06] ubba : its been confirmed by 3 people
[2017-02-21 17:51:25] Ugly_Old_Goat : Still net long, but sold out 50% of my position
[2017-02-21 17:51:35] alejandromasari : hey @rapidtrades how do you feel now parting ways with your bitcoin while being short?
[2017-02-21 17:52:01] ubba : ripidtrades
[2017-02-21 17:52:31] BTCDJS : j8: so why do people short one and long the other? Is it for the reason of making profit being long and short?
[2017-02-21 17:52:44] BTCDJS : At the same time
[2017-02-21 17:52:48] ubba : this is the highest bitcoin has ever risen
[2017-02-21 17:53:07] ThruTheFloor : ubba: stfu already
[2017-02-21 17:53:09] ubba : in a week
[2017-02-21 17:53:33] n00b : buy this dip! moon is coming! big announcement today!
[2017-02-21 17:53:41] ross : ubba: check bfx order books, it's pumping
[2017-02-21 17:53:47] Apocalyptic : such rapidhate here today
[2017-02-21 17:53:49] Shaman : good things happened in my sleep
[2017-02-21 17:53:56] indelibleTrade : 'dip'
[2017-02-21 17:53:59] j8 : BTCDJS: i guess you can call it a rates arbitrage. futures will way outperform the swap in a bull market
[2017-02-21 17:54:03] ubba : quite it is
[2017-02-21 17:54:47] ubba : n00b do you know if there will be a livestream of the announcement?
[2017-02-21 17:54:55] BTCDJS : j8: I get the sense that's what sleger does
[2017-02-21 17:55:07] MrRGnome : Anyone member the days when people doubted we'd ever see $1000 again? I member.
[2017-02-21 17:55:09] ubba : later on today
[2017-02-21 17:55:12] j8 : like if you bought the swap a few days ago, you paid some funding. if you bought H17, you got like 2% premium
[2017-02-21 17:55:31] reyno : ubba: your putting the troll in the troll box here
[2017-02-21 17:55:35] j8 : BTCDJS: he does, and so do i and many others
[2017-02-21 17:55:47] CutTheLosses : it's gonna dump
[2017-02-21 17:55:54] CutTheLosses : overheat
[2017-02-21 17:55:58] ubba : need to change my name people aren't taking me serious anymore
[2017-02-21 17:56:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 55 @ 7671.1
[2017-02-21 17:56:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 1600 @ 7677.3
[2017-02-21 17:56:04] BTCDJS : j8: how many contracts at what leverage is the best?
[2017-02-21 17:56:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1500 @ 1110.85
[2017-02-21 17:56:13] j8 : it can backfire horribly though if futures go to discount and the swap funding goes negative
[2017-02-21 17:56:33] ubba : here we go
[2017-02-21 17:56:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1000 @ 1112.75
[2017-02-21 17:56:42] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2000 @ 1112.63
[2017-02-21 17:56:42] REKT : Sell your house, sell your wife, sell your kids, BUY BITCOIN!
[2017-02-21 17:56:57] Apocalyptic : j8: like in a downward movement
[2017-02-21 17:57:08] BTCDJS : j8: I understand that. I realise I would have to choose the right directions
[2017-02-21 17:57:20] Ugly_Old_Goat : Just sold some march aove 1142
[2017-02-21 17:57:22] guacamole : this is ridiculous, wanted to cash out my short but it's a runaway train
[2017-02-21 17:57:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : Wow. what a rally,
[2017-02-21 17:57:44] ThruTheFloor : Calling the top, 50x short, #yolo
[2017-02-21 17:57:52] BTCDJS : j8: so would you say on a risk scale from 1-10 how risky is it?
[2017-02-21 17:57:58] CutTheLosses : it will blow up
[2017-02-21 17:58:00] ubba : guacamole hedge it with a long
[2017-02-21 17:58:04] BTCDJS : 10 being bad
[2017-02-21 17:58:10] CutTheLosses : first leaving the saloon
[2017-02-21 17:58:33] CutTheLosses : and boooom
[2017-02-21 17:58:44] CutTheLosses : i can feel fear
[2017-02-21 17:59:00] ThatCEOGuy : Are we gonna crash before ATH or blow past it?
[2017-02-21 17:59:06] Ugly_Old_Goat : spread over 20
[2017-02-21 17:59:19] ubba : im gonna probably close my longs after they allow btc withdrawals from chinese sites
[2017-02-21 17:59:21] j8 : BTCDJS: hard to say. ADL is a big risk, counterparty risk, getting liquidated on a spike, not being able to move margin around fast enough, etc.
[2017-02-21 17:59:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 1900 @ 0.011380
[2017-02-21 17:59:49] ubba : theres gonna be a mad dash to take out coins from huobi and okcon
[2017-02-21 17:59:56] Sinterklaas : ThatCEOGuy: Past it, but on hope not on hard numbers
[2017-02-21 17:59:56] alejandromasari : I was the only long here before this rally
[2017-02-21 17:59:59] n00b : told you all o buy earlier
[2017-02-21 18:00:00] Ugly_Old_Goat : ThatCEOGuy: No one knows to you play so you win if it goes up and can buy if it crashes
[2017-02-21 18:00:02] alejandromasari : thxforyerbitcoins!!
[2017-02-21 18:00:12] bingbongfly : alejandromasari: hahaha no you wern't
[2017-02-21 18:00:24] Ugly_Old_Goat : I was able to buy the flash crash in my sleep
[2017-02-21 18:00:46] guacamole : i had buys set at 1068 that i forgot about that just missed
[2017-02-21 18:00:47] BTCDJS : j8: can you suggest a strategy that is less risk and I'll keep that one in the memory banks for when I'm more clued up
[2017-02-21 18:00:49] cookielito : TAKE THAT SHORTIES
[2017-02-21 18:00:57] Ugly_Old_Goat : I sold out a bit earcy but very nice profit and still net long 80 btc
[2017-02-21 18:02:20] j8 : BTCDJS: anything involving arbitrage has all these risks, which just means that you don't do it until the reward is big enough
[2017-02-21 18:02:46] guacamole : i'm annoyed more by the missed profit potential from 990 - 1110 i missed out on than my losses from shorting
[2017-02-21 18:03:05] BTCDJS : j8: ok. I'm going to go to school on this stuff. Thanks
[2017-02-21 18:03:22] n00b : buy this dip dont miss out
[2017-02-21 18:03:31] j8 : if you're interested in USD profit then you can just short the swap when the premium / funding is good. you might miss out on BTC upside but a lot of people are happy to take the 1% a day or whatever when it's rallying
[2017-02-21 18:04:33] guacamole : j8: the potential problem is if it then drops after you close your short and are neutral, you can still end up losing
[2017-02-21 18:04:37] BTCDJS : j8: k so how many contracts at what leverage? 1x 10k?
[2017-02-21 18:05:08] j8 : guacamole: can't blame the trade for what happens after the trade is closed
[2017-02-21 18:05:27] Ugly_Old_Goat : Payday in one hour
[2017-02-21 18:05:34] j8 : BTCDJS: 700k if you're sleger
[2017-02-21 18:05:39] mxtrad342 : Will we ever look back at < 1000 per bitcoin?
[2017-02-21 18:05:52] Ahhere : mxtrad342: yes with fondness
[2017-02-21 18:05:55] BTCDJS : j8: will 1btc be enough?
[2017-02-21 18:06:07] Ugly_Old_Goat : mxtrad342: no that is history
[2017-02-21 18:06:17] BTCDJS : margin balance
[2017-02-21 18:06:19] Ugly_Old_Goat : market reset
[2017-02-21 18:06:24] j8 : it doesn't matter how much, you're making percentage returns
[2017-02-21 18:06:42] Cryptonary : /wall
[2017-02-21 18:06:42] trollbot : BitFinex Wall: Asks: 1122.2 => [2774 Ƀ] (10.3%) <= 1152.2 Bids: 1092.1 => [1585 Ƀ] (44.22%) <= 1122.1
[2017-02-21 18:06:42] trollbot : BitStamp Wall: Asks: 1116.98 => [785 Ƀ] (29.75%) <= 1147.00 Bids: 1084.00 => [510 Ƀ] (14.61%) <= 1114.73
[2017-02-21 18:06:44] -_- : damn i didnt long the dip like a noob
[2017-02-21 18:06:53] Ahhere : -_-: always dong the lip bro
[2017-02-21 18:06:56] mxtrad342 : i @Ugly_Old_Goat you think? even if the ETF does not go through? maybe that is the last time it goes down?
[2017-02-21 18:07:05] sleger : I try to stay below 1m, that was my largest XBTUSD Funding 898237 987.92 909.2224 XBT -0.1511% -1.373835 XBT @BTCDJS
[2017-02-21 18:07:06] n00b : -_-: its still a dip pal dont miss out
[2017-02-21 18:07:38] Ugly_Old_Goat : Etf is a non issue. I do not trade news
[2017-02-21 18:08:04] Ugly_Old_Goat : If it goes down I am a buyer. If it goes up fine, I am long
[2017-02-21 18:08:09] Ahhere : sleger: why below 1m?
[2017-02-21 18:08:46] Coconuter : because its hard to find 1 million buyers to get out
[2017-02-21 18:09:06] sleger : Ahhere: because its hard to close and you represent too much of the open interest
[2017-02-21 18:09:12] n00b : Ugly_Old_Goat: do you ever sell? you said youre closing slowly earlier didnt you?
[2017-02-21 18:09:28] Cryptonary : /sentiment
[2017-02-21 18:09:31] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 21.24/78.76 Daily: 40.93/59.07 Weekly: 43.52/56.48 Monthly: 47.59/52.42
[2017-02-21 18:09:47] Ugly_Old_Goat : Yes, I sell all the time but I am never net short
[2017-02-21 18:10:05] BTCDJS : sleger: so when you close what price range do you want to close at?
[2017-02-21 18:10:17] sleger : idk
[2017-02-21 18:10:33] BTCDJS : Back where you started?
[2017-02-21 18:10:34] Ahhere : Coconuter: @sleger liquidity fucked me up the other day
[2017-02-21 18:10:48] Ahhere : but my own fault not clicking mark
[2017-02-21 18:10:49] paniktrade : got damn it got stopped out on that wick and was too pussy to get back in
[2017-02-21 18:10:49] j8 : it is pretty surreal when you start to see 1BTC+ rolling in every 8 hours, for doing nothing
[2017-02-21 18:10:52] n00b : buy this dip dont miss out o free money
[2017-02-21 18:10:54] Cryptonary : /price
[2017-02-21 18:10:55] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1114.60 (0.92%)
[2017-02-21 18:10:55] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1121.4 (1.06%)
[2017-02-21 18:10:55] trollbot : GDAX: 1116.93 (1.07%)
[2017-02-21 18:10:55] Coconuter : lol i lost 15btc closing a BTCCNY trade that the orders disappeared on Xmass
[2017-02-21 18:10:55] trollbot : Kraken: 1121.11 (1.2%)
[2017-02-21 18:10:56] trollbot : itBit: 1114.44 (1.07%)
[2017-02-21 18:10:56] Ugly_Old_Goat : For example I sold perp last night over 1007 and bot back and sent long under 1080
[2017-02-21 18:10:57] trollbot : OKCoin: 1108.9 (1.3%)
[2017-02-21 18:10:58] BTCDJS : do you get LIQed?
[2017-02-21 18:11:05] Coconuter : thats how fucked up liquidity is
[2017-02-21 18:11:25] Ahhere : Coconuter: same
[2017-02-21 18:11:36] Ugly_Old_Goat : Sold the longs and went short again at 1103, way too early incidently
[2017-02-21 18:11:43] Ugly_Old_Goat : But its all good
[2017-02-21 18:12:03] sleger : j8: next 2 fundings will be even better
[2017-02-21 18:12:23] j8 : yeah looking good
[2017-02-21 18:12:56] Ahhere : Coconuter: but doesnt matter what price is on here it will be bought up or down to meet spot unless you are too whalicious, so I learned just be liquid and avoid stops esp last price instead of mark
[2017-02-21 18:12:56] BTCDJS : sleger: you long futures too right?
[2017-02-21 18:13:05] sleger : yes
[2017-02-21 18:13:21] Ugly_Old_Goat : The March spread is at such a premium I do not like March much anymore. Prefer to buy perp or cash on another exchange
[2017-02-21 18:13:24] BTCDJS : Right I'm going to school
[2017-02-21 18:13:37] Ahhere : BTCDJS: u student?
[2017-02-21 18:13:39] Ugly_Old_Goat : You must also learn to arb here with other markets
[2017-02-21 18:13:44] -_- : Ugly_Old_Goat: but premium on march going back to $150 it's free money
[2017-02-21 18:13:48] Coconuter : Ahhere: now i usually only close 1000 contracts at a time
[2017-02-21 18:13:50] Coconuter : lol
[2017-02-21 18:13:54] sleger : well I longed the futures at 100-200$ discount so I like them :D
[2017-02-21 18:13:59] BTCDJS : Ahhere: no I'm researching this stuff
[2017-02-21 18:14:18] Ugly_Old_Goat : Maybe, but it will also be at zero on March 31
[2017-02-21 18:14:27] Ahhere : Coconuter: yes I do that too, but patience is hard. Would like to learn how to make bots for that reason
[2017-02-21 18:14:45] Ugly_Old_Goat : I will be out of march long before a premium of 150
[2017-02-21 18:15:10] Ugly_Old_Goat : I will be selling March and buying somewhere else if that happens
[2017-02-21 18:15:20] j8 : 150 not happening dreamers
[2017-02-21 18:15:40] Coconuter : Ahhere: right would be good to sleep well with a bot controlling everything, one day when i get older i might buy one
[2017-02-21 18:16:01] Ahhere : Coconuter: older lol?
[2017-02-21 18:16:09] BTCDJS : My dinky little predictions and such are child's play. There's a lot more I need to know about taking advantage of premiums and price differences.
[2017-02-21 18:16:39] BTCDJS : Why they happen etc etc
[2017-02-21 18:16:44] Coconuter : Ahhere: yes now im my 30's its fine to stay awake but when i get little older and bored ill hire a bot for sure