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[2017-02-21 15:56:18] coyotejoe : BTCDJS:i think this site is a good oppurtunity, im just a noob right now
[2017-02-21 15:56:41] BTCDJS : Well I guess the euphoria comedown is about to create suicidal people
[2017-02-21 15:57:07] aethlios : Alignment: https://www.tradingview.com/x/cpGd8hz5/ this is the chart of ltcusd, 2 years triangle consolidation, i bet will break up and start new bull market. triangle ends end may.
[2017-02-21 15:57:27] Cryptonary : /sentiment
[2017-02-21 15:57:30] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 56.49/43.51 Daily: 42.03/57.97 Weekly: 44.06/55.94 Monthly: 47.65/52.35
[2017-02-21 15:57:33] BTCDJS : coyotejoe: dude I have you solid advice. But if you choose to ignore me then keep your short. You might get lucky.
[2017-02-21 15:58:17] coyotejoe : BTCDJS: thanks, but what would your advice be if I told you that i have 30 bitcoins? same thing? keep them and wait?
[2017-02-21 15:58:34] coyotejoe : BTCDJS: and 800 ether
[2017-02-21 15:58:37] coyotejoe : BTCDJS: eth
[2017-02-21 15:59:06] BTCDJS : coyotejoe: mark my words though. If you are looking for profit here, you won't get it. Sooner or later you will lose those bitcoins. And when they are worth 10k you are going to kick yourself
[2017-02-21 15:59:46] BTCDJS : coyotejoe: just HODL
[2017-02-21 15:59:50] CutTheLosses : here we go again
[2017-02-21 16:00:00] coyotejoe : BTCDJS: okay
[2017-02-21 16:00:11] herpinator : sweet as a nut
[2017-02-21 16:00:21] BTCDJS : coyotejoe: how much leverage did you short?
[2017-02-21 16:00:49] BTCDJS : How many X? 100X 50X?
[2017-02-21 16:00:56] coyotejoe : BTCDJS: i dont know what it means lol and it was testnet so the max
[2017-02-21 16:01:03] coyotejoe : 100 i think
[2017-02-21 16:01:11] aethlios : coyotejoe: in a bull market you sit tight, so keep them, sell at 10,000 and buy back at 2,500 those 30. buy with profit gold silver a house and a few alts.
[2017-02-21 16:01:11] BTCDJS : coyotejoe: testnet?
[2017-02-21 16:01:25] BTCDJS : theyre not real bitcoins?
[2017-02-21 16:01:36] n00b : shorting as your first position? today rally is only beginning, enjoy your first liq
[2017-02-21 16:01:45] coyotejoe : BTCDJS:testnet.bitmex.com
[2017-02-21 16:01:55] coyotejoe : BTCDJS: na
[2017-02-21 16:02:03] BTCDJS : coyotejoe: ok so they're fake
[2017-02-21 16:02:11] BTCDJS : *wipes brow*
[2017-02-21 16:02:11] coyotejoe : BTCDJS: yes
[2017-02-21 16:02:18] CutTheLosses : you can trash your fake coins
[2017-02-21 16:02:25] CutTheLosses : just for the fun
[2017-02-21 16:02:30] CutTheLosses : but here we are serious
[2017-02-21 16:02:31] BTCDJS : coyotejoe: fair enough. Use them to learn
[2017-02-21 16:02:38] coyotejoe : BTCDJS: but the move would have been to have 9000 positions at 1100k?
[2017-02-21 16:02:49] coyotejoe : BTCDJS: i mean 1100usd
[2017-02-21 16:03:12] BTCDJS : coyotejoe: no 9000 contracts is 9000$
[2017-02-21 16:03:28] BTCDJS : coyotejoe: this is derivatives exchange
[2017-02-21 16:03:52] coyotejoe : BTCDJS: if you were gonna try and make a profit of 2btc what would you do lol
[2017-02-21 16:03:55] BTCDJS : youre buying contracts from me and I'm selling contracts to you
[2017-02-21 16:04:07] coyotejoe : BTCDJS: shorting wise, oh
[2017-02-21 16:04:37] n00b : coyotejoe: go all in at 100x asap
[2017-02-21 16:06:09] BTCDJS : coyotejoe: yeah well trading is difficult. Especially futures. There is a whole lot going on in futures that is too much to explain and I don't even get it completely. You can use it for speculation. But right now any position you open is a gamble. Read up on futures contracts and swap first. Learn what you're doing.
[2017-02-21 16:06:41] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: its rly not, just buy the dip at 100/1
[2017-02-21 16:07:05] rapidtrades : that's step 1, step 2 is quit ur job
[2017-02-21 16:07:05] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: well it worked for the moon kids
[2017-02-21 16:07:39] KyllingLolsson : /price
[2017-02-21 16:07:40] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1101.27 (0.01%)
[2017-02-21 16:07:40] trollbot : GDAX: 1105.55 (0.06%)
[2017-02-21 16:07:41] trollbot : itBit: 1102.55 (0.15%)
[2017-02-21 16:07:41] trollbot : Kraken: 1103.94 (0%)
[2017-02-21 16:07:41] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1110.1 (0.15%)
[2017-02-21 16:07:58] CutTheLosses : finex is bullish
[2017-02-21 16:08:33] MikeHunt : once they've got most of the leveraged shorts they'll let it drop i think
[2017-02-21 16:08:39] MikeHunt : otherwise it costs a lot more to pump it
[2017-02-21 16:09:32] coyotejoe : okay, so out of place order options choose MARKET? Then sell 9000 contracts at 100x?
[2017-02-21 16:10:00] Cryptonary : /sentiment
[2017-02-21 16:10:03] coyotejoe : i mean buy
[2017-02-21 16:10:03] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 42.68/57.32 Daily: 41.64/58.36 Weekly: 43.94/56.06 Monthly: 47.63/52.37
[2017-02-21 16:10:05] jphamer1 : coyotejoe: no you lose it all, never go full 100
[2017-02-21 16:10:20] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: noooo never x100
[2017-02-21 16:10:45] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: got any good links that can teach me how to take advantage of futures vs swap? I want to become a big boy now. I'm done predicting and chancing. It's for the newbies.
[2017-02-21 16:10:51] KyllingLolsson : Start with x5 tops, just to learn
[2017-02-21 16:10:55] Uchrmoney : OK x100
[2017-02-21 16:11:51] jphamer1 : personallu I'm on the sidelines waiting for fud and etc fail paranoia to set in
[2017-02-21 16:11:51] MikeHunt : coyotejoe: dont trade with more than 10% of ur capital
[2017-02-21 16:11:53] Uchrmoney : Pls am new here
[2017-02-21 16:12:03] jphamer1 : etf
[2017-02-21 16:12:10] KyllingLolsson : BTCDJS: whats that??
[2017-02-21 16:12:18] BTCDJS : MikeHunt: it's testnet but sure. He needs good risk management
[2017-02-21 16:12:51] KyllingLolsson : The future / swap advantage
[2017-02-21 16:13:08] Apocalyptic : so many new users, this is going to be epic
[2017-02-21 16:13:09] coyotejoe : "its rly not, just buy the dip at 100/1” how many contracts? @rapidtrades
[2017-02-21 16:13:41] rapidtrades : max it out bra
[2017-02-21 16:13:54] Alignment : Apocalyptic: lol
[2017-02-21 16:14:06] Cryptonary : /price
[2017-02-21 16:14:07] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1108.5 (-0.14%)
[2017-02-21 16:14:07] trollbot : GDAX: 1105.54 (0%)
[2017-02-21 16:14:07] trollbot : itBit: 1102.3 (-0.02%)
[2017-02-21 16:14:07] trollbot : Kraken: 1103.95 (0%)
[2017-02-21 16:14:08] rapidtrades : 1120????
[2017-02-21 16:14:10] trollbot : OKCoin: 1090.51 (0.04%)
[2017-02-21 16:14:27] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: it's mooning bro
[2017-02-21 16:14:31] Apocalyptic : just like the price
[2017-02-21 16:15:27] rapidtrades : no wonder its lagging like crazy
[2017-02-21 16:15:39] rapidtrades : can we randomly ban 300 ppl for 10 hrs?
[2017-02-21 16:16:03] rapidtrades : just lock them out of their accounts completely
[2017-02-21 16:16:33] coyotejoe : rapidtrades: i did 9000
[2017-02-21 16:16:53] coyotejoe : rapidtrades: and whats the dip
[2017-02-21 16:18:10] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: alternatively you can rekt them, same effect
[2017-02-21 16:20:22] Cryptonary : /price
[2017-02-21 16:20:22] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1108.2 (-0.03%)
[2017-02-21 16:20:23] trollbot : itBit: 1102.3 (0%)
[2017-02-21 16:20:23] trollbot : Kraken: 1103.38 (-0.05%)
[2017-02-21 16:20:23] trollbot : OKCoin: 1090.57 (0.01%)
[2017-02-21 16:20:25] trollbot : GDAX: 1105.71 (0.02%)
[2017-02-21 16:20:34] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: you did whar!?
[2017-02-21 16:21:13] herpinator : I wish all of you the best for all of your trades. Lets make money together!
[2017-02-21 16:21:29] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: buy market 9000 contracts, at 100x
[2017-02-21 16:21:43] n00bie : lol
[2017-02-21 16:21:50] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: nooo... Never x100!!
[2017-02-21 16:22:01] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: why
[2017-02-21 16:22:07] herpinator : coyotejoe: 100x is not good try 10x, risk is too great
[2017-02-21 16:22:22] coyotejoe : already did it, rapidtrades told me to
[2017-02-21 16:22:34] KyllingLolsson : IF the price move 10$ you lose!!
[2017-02-21 16:22:51] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: you will see how easy you will lose
[2017-02-21 16:23:06] KyllingLolsson : Btc is too volaile
[2017-02-21 16:23:17] KyllingLolsson : go 25 max
[2017-02-21 16:23:20] Cryptonary : /sentiment
[2017-02-21 16:23:23] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 41.16/58.84 Daily: 41.9/58.1 Weekly: 44.01/55.99 Monthly: 47.68/52.32
[2017-02-21 16:23:40] coyotejoe : aethlios: thanks for the advice earlier i missed it
[2017-02-21 16:23:59] herpinator : coyotejoe: when I started here I did 50x (the max at the time) and I was actually successful for a while but then I got wiped out and re-evaluated my strategy. coyote don't listen to rapidtrades he is always wrong somehow. In fact a viable trading strategy here is to actually do the opposite of what rapidtrades says.
[2017-02-21 16:24:09] -_- : wow 1121 users here
[2017-02-21 16:24:22] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: i suggest u sell... And the-open whatever posirion but this ttimw x25
[2017-02-21 16:24:23] herpinator : coyotejoe: think of it this way with 50x you have 2% margin of error before you get margin called, with 100x its 1%
[2017-02-21 16:24:41] herpinator : KyllingLolsson: I would agree
[2017-02-21 16:24:58] coyotejoe : sell market or sell limit? and what quantitiy
[2017-02-21 16:25:11] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: all of it, marker
[2017-02-21 16:25:13] coyotejoe : /price
[2017-02-21 16:25:14] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1107.5 (-0.06%)
[2017-02-21 16:25:15] trollbot : GDAX: 1104.62 (-0.1%)
[2017-02-21 16:25:15] trollbot : Kraken: 1103 (-0.03%)
[2017-02-21 16:25:15] trollbot : OKCoin: 1091.18 (0.06%)
[2017-02-21 16:25:16] trollbot : itBit: 1101.56 (-0.07%)
[2017-02-21 16:25:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 984 @ 7518.1
[2017-02-21 16:25:42] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: so 2 usd means to bitcoins?
[2017-02-21 16:25:48] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: 2
[2017-02-21 16:26:02] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: i have 2 btc to spare
[2017-02-21 16:26:06] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: /experiment
[2017-02-21 16:26:13] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: woooot!!!!!
[2017-02-21 16:26:26] KyllingLolsson : Sell!!! Never x100
[2017-02-21 16:26:32] rapidtrades : im sure the SEC is loving this volatility
[2017-02-21 16:26:34] n00b : 2100 is 2 btc
[2017-02-21 16:27:18] rapidtrades : down 30% up 25%
[2017-02-21 16:27:25] rapidtrades : perfect for retirement accounts
[2017-02-21 16:27:30] Alignment : sec is buying bitcoins
[2017-02-21 16:27:52] rapidtrades : ur an idiot
[2017-02-21 16:27:56] n00b : Alignment: BOY :o
[2017-02-21 16:28:24] coyotejoe : okay so here is the rough draft for 2 btc : choose MARKET, Sell market 2100 at 25x ?
[2017-02-21 16:28:27] Cryptonary : rapidtrades: when you shorted?
[2017-02-21 16:28:44] Apocalyptic : @rapidtrades :shorted some COIN yet ?
[2017-02-21 16:29:04] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: u could lose all of it in one minute... Because btc is too immature and volatile,
[2017-02-21 16:29:23] troll5000 : Lol if you're an idiot
[2017-02-21 16:29:38] troll5000 : We like the volatility
[2017-02-21 16:29:52] troll5000 : that's when you make the most money
[2017-02-21 16:30:00] troll5000 : I don't want it to stop
[2017-02-21 16:30:11] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: doesnt the 25x provide backing and its at 1100 isnt it a good time to sell?
[2017-02-21 16:30:29] troll5000 : I want the 10% volatility days back
[2017-02-21 16:30:35] rapidtrades : troll5000: shut it newb
[2017-02-21 16:31:01] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: backning? What u mean?
[2017-02-21 16:31:10] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: security
[2017-02-21 16:31:40] sleger : like I expected #1 0kc holder decreased his short (hence the pump / premium)
[2017-02-21 16:31:51] sleger : 1 184,975
[2017-02-21 16:31:57] KyllingLolsson : Yes 25x is more secure, and sell at 1100 if u believe in that
[2017-02-21 16:31:58] troll5000 : Why would you want low volatility... so dumb
[2017-02-21 16:32:24] KyllingLolsson : troll5000: shut up, because u get chopped to dearh
[2017-02-21 16:32:40] Alignment : do you guys expect one last move by china?
[2017-02-21 16:32:47] rapidtrades : sleger: his long
[2017-02-21 16:32:49] KyllingLolsson : I lost 1 btc due to choppy market
[2017-02-21 16:33:09] Apocalyptic : sleger: was it confirmed it's a short ?
[2017-02-21 16:33:19] sleger : rapidtrades: whatever makes you happy dude
[2017-02-21 16:33:20] troll5000 : I don't. The bigger the moves the more money I make. Lol you just don't know how to trade it. Nooks
[2017-02-21 16:33:27] sleger : Apocalyptic: ofc not how can it be "confirmed" ?
[2017-02-21 16:33:36] troll5000 : Nooooobs
[2017-02-21 16:33:40] KyllingLolsson : Mol
[2017-02-21 16:33:43] KyllingLolsson : Lol
[2017-02-21 16:33:50] YOLOCOIN : how to i make the mark price show up on the chart?
[2017-02-21 16:34:10] KyllingLolsson : Explain to me: choppy waters @troll5000
[2017-02-21 16:34:40] Apocalyptic : sleger: like they showed the long/short position type along with the contracts #wherever you get that info
[2017-02-21 16:34:51] KyllingLolsson : What does it mean?
[2017-02-21 16:35:02] sleger : Apocalyptic: they only show abs(net pos)
[2017-02-21 16:36:11] rapidtrades : die longs die
[2017-02-21 16:36:19] KyllingLolsson : /price
[2017-02-21 16:36:20] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1102.30 (-0.07%)
[2017-02-21 16:36:20] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1108.4 (0.08%)
[2017-02-21 16:36:20] trollbot : GDAX: 1105.4 (0.07%)
[2017-02-21 16:36:20] trollbot : itBit: 1101.39 (-0.02%)
[2017-02-21 16:36:21] trollbot : Kraken: 1104.19 (0.11%)
[2017-02-21 16:36:22] trollbot : OKCoin: 1091.23 (0%)
[2017-02-21 16:36:38] odieoh : @ rapidtrades I'll translate from the German: The longs, the
[2017-02-21 16:38:04] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: look at babypips.com
[2017-02-21 16:38:39] BTCDJS : sleger: didn't his short get LIQed?
[2017-02-21 16:38:57] troll5000 : Lol if you don't understand high volatility equals more opportunity for profit there's no point in explaining anything. If you let yourself get chopped out your strategy sucks.
[2017-02-21 16:39:07] troll5000 : b
[2017-02-21 16:39:32] rapidtrades : lol keep quiet newb
[2017-02-21 16:39:40] BTCDJS : K
[2017-02-21 16:40:07] KyllingLolsson : Eh..
[2017-02-21 16:40:15] troll5000 : your in a high volatility market with a strategy that gets you knocked out lolol.
[2017-02-21 16:40:21] rullwull : troll5000: it also equals more opportunities for losses)
[2017-02-21 16:40:23] KyllingLolsson : ??
[2017-02-21 16:43:19] KyllingLolsson : troll5000: back test, and look for sudden spikes, they happen quite often, unexpected wothout proper reasons...
[2017-02-21 16:43:43] KyllingLolsson : That is what suddenly kills
[2017-02-21 16:44:03] CutTheLosses : PUMP
[2017-02-21 16:44:21] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: thanks
[2017-02-21 16:44:31] Apocalyptic : trolls be trolling
[2017-02-21 16:45:07] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: just be careful :)
[2017-02-21 16:45:48] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: i might just wait it out and shoot for extra long
[2017-02-21 16:46:07] CutTheLosses : coyotejoe: YOLO
[2017-02-21 16:46:19] coyotejoe : CutTheLosses: ur right
[2017-02-21 16:46:40] Cryptonary : /price
[2017-02-21 16:46:41] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1101.98 (-0.03%)
[2017-02-21 16:46:41] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1108.9 (0.05%)
[2017-02-21 16:46:41] trollbot : GDAX: 1104.78 (-0.06%)
[2017-02-21 16:46:41] trollbot : Kraken: 1104.2 (0%)
[2017-02-21 16:46:41] trollbot : itBit: 1100.91 (-0.04%)
[2017-02-21 16:46:43] trollbot : OKCoin: 1091.23 (0%)
[2017-02-21 16:46:46] KyllingLolsson : coyotejoe: good. I wont tell you to go long or short, just ro learn Ta and b careful
[2017-02-21 16:47:18] troll5000 : Whatever you say man. I do not have that problem.
[2017-02-21 16:47:42] troll5000 : Short the swap go long the future
[2017-02-21 16:47:48] troll5000 : Wait
[2017-02-21 16:49:08] BTCDJS : My altbags would've pumped too, if wasn't for those stupid moon kids
[2017-02-21 16:49:37] coyotejoe : KyllingLolsson: thanks man
[2017-02-21 16:50:07] Apocalyptic : BTCDJS: the moon is too strong
[2017-02-21 16:50:16] Apocalyptic : you can't fight it
[2017-02-21 16:50:34] CutTheLosses : mega gravity on the moon
[2017-02-21 16:51:00] n00b : all these whales dumping and were still mooning
[2017-02-21 16:51:22] CutTheLosses : it's bitcoin. magic
[2017-02-21 16:51:22] GTmann : hi guys noob here, am i right in thinking that leverage on the perp swap, is just to inc/dec your margin?
[2017-02-21 16:51:43] troll5000 : Yes
[2017-02-21 16:51:45] Apocalyptic : only thing to do is joining the moon party with all your rapidmates
[2017-02-21 16:51:55] CutTheLosses : leverage is made for getting rich quick
[2017-02-21 16:51:58] CutTheLosses : 100x yolo
[2017-02-21 16:52:10] Apocalyptic : GTmann: yes
[2017-02-21 16:52:17] rullwull : troll5000: this strategy works well if u had a chance to open futures long when there was a discount to spot
[2017-02-21 16:52:28] GTmann : Apocalyptic: thanks
[2017-02-21 16:52:35] Apocalyptic : it doesn't change your position size, only the margin allocated to it
[2017-02-21 16:52:53] KyllingLolsson : /sentiment
[2017-02-21 16:52:56] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 39.73/60.27 Daily: 41.89/58.11 Weekly: 43.91/56.09 Monthly: 47.69/52.31
[2017-02-21 16:54:07] GTmann : anyone else buying the btc etf, then planning to short btc near march 11?
[2017-02-21 16:54:19] troll5000 : Which given the volatility the chance happens often
[2017-02-21 16:54:27] troll5000 : Quite often
[2017-02-21 16:54:59] GTmann : if i held alot of btc, id hold and short the etf coin, but i dont
[2017-02-21 16:55:01] troll5000 : Which is my point.
[2017-02-21 16:57:20] troll5000 : Sorry your timing sucks?
[2017-02-21 16:57:58] troll5000 : I bought in 20000 contracts at 957
[2017-02-21 16:58:05] troll5000 : Sold them today
[2017-02-21 16:58:28] troll5000 : Shorted swaps over funding timestamps all the way up the price move
[2017-02-21 16:58:35] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: say you shorted from 890 and your liq is way above ATH and price goes up 90% you get funding off swap and price goes back down to near 950. You close your short. Do you make a good profit? Or break even? Or small loss? Average
[2017-02-21 16:59:00] troll5000 : Big short swap position waiting for drop
[2017-02-21 16:59:16] troll5000 : Rinse repeat
[2017-02-21 16:59:54] Cryptonary : /price
[2017-02-21 16:59:54] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1101.50 (-0.04%)
[2017-02-21 16:59:54] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1108.0 (-0.08%)
[2017-02-21 16:59:55] trollbot : GDAX: 1104.08 (-0.06%)
[2017-02-21 16:59:55] CutTheLosses : shorters are only rewarded by getting rekt in a bull market
[2017-02-21 16:59:55] trollbot : Kraken: 1104.12 (-0.01%)
[2017-02-21 16:59:55] trollbot : OKCoin: 1091.34 (0.01%)
[2017-02-21 16:59:55] trollbot : itBit: 1099.56 (-0.12%)
[2017-02-21 17:00:37] BTCDJS : CutTheLosses: so they have to get LIQed?
[2017-02-21 17:01:11] CutTheLosses : absolulu
[2017-02-21 17:01:20] troll5000 : No they don't
[2017-02-21 17:01:24] troll5000 : I don't
[2017-02-21 17:01:44] CutTheLosses : well you are smarter than average then
[2017-02-21 17:01:51] CutTheLosses : or lucky
[2017-02-21 17:01:55] CutTheLosses : or both
[2017-02-21 17:02:03] troll5000 : Definitely not luck
[2017-02-21 17:02:10] CutTheLosses : ok einstein
[2017-02-21 17:02:17] troll5000 : Just think about it
[2017-02-21 17:02:23] BTCDJS : CutTheLosses: so they make just as much profit as bulls?
[2017-02-21 17:02:28] BTCDJS : or less?
[2017-02-21 17:02:47] BTCDJS : Cos bulls pay shorts throughout
[2017-02-21 17:03:00] Investbtc : Hi Guys,how do I bet 5 btc that the COIN ETF will be successfull
[2017-02-21 17:03:04] troll5000 : I make pretty much as much going up as coming down
[2017-02-21 17:03:40] Investbtc : I'm new to all this
[2017-02-21 17:03:43] herpinator : Investbtc: trade COIN
[2017-02-21 17:04:00] herpinator : Investbtc: why do you think it will be successful?
[2017-02-21 17:04:08] Investbtc : Yes but how many contracts can I buy?
[2017-02-21 17:04:29] Investbtc : Because I'm Irish and feel lucky!
[2017-02-21 17:04:34] CutTheLosses : LoL
[2017-02-21 17:04:51] GTmann : Investbtc: black swan he says
[2017-02-21 17:05:14] bitmors : Test
[2017-02-21 17:05:20] bitmors : '/joke
[2017-02-21 17:05:26] herpinator : Investbtc: around 1500
[2017-02-21 17:05:38] BTCDJS : CutTheLosses: so if you go short swap and long futures and price goes up significantly you make double?
[2017-02-21 17:05:59] troll5000 : Well here's my thinking
[2017-02-21 17:06:04] troll5000 : And yes
[2017-02-21 17:06:10] Investbtc : Do I buy long? What will I return if I buy 1500 contracts at 34.75?
[2017-02-21 17:06:35] longbydefault : /joke
[2017-02-21 17:06:40] troll5000 : So we know price swings are big right? We know the price grows over time and drops suddenly
[2017-02-21 17:06:47] trollbot : Cigarette warnings should also include how dangerous it is just going to purchase a package... My dad left 19 years ago to buy some and he still hasn't made it back.
[2017-02-21 17:07:01] troll5000 : We just don't know when it will drop
[2017-02-21 17:07:40] troll5000 : So at the bottom of a large fast down move, I buy a large position long on the future and hold.
[2017-02-21 17:07:46] longbydefault : /joke
[2017-02-21 17:07:54] trollbot : Love is like looking for a parking spot Everything good is taken and it's frowned upon to go into the handicapped ones.
[2017-02-21 17:08:06] troll5000 : And a smaller short swap position when the funding rate turns in the shorts favor
[2017-02-21 17:08:09] ronensinger : /joke
[2017-02-21 17:08:14] trollbot : I hear Kim Jung-Un has read every book ever written... That's why they call him the Supreme Reader.
[2017-02-21 17:08:15] troll5000 : As price moves up
[2017-02-21 17:08:25] ronensinger : Lmfao
[2017-02-21 17:08:36] troll5000 : I take profit from the long position
[2017-02-21 17:09:17] troll5000 : And continue to short swaps around the funding timestamps to collect the funding up the price move
[2017-02-21 17:09:56] Investbtc : Would I buy market or limit?
[2017-02-21 17:10:05] Investbtc : Please help me Guys!!
[2017-02-21 17:10:22] Tetsuo : always market
[2017-02-21 17:10:26] Sultan Pepper : Holy noobies Batman
[2017-02-21 17:10:33] Sultan Pepper : 1079
[2017-02-21 17:10:34] troll5000 : This collects the funding interest, moves me into a short position with a high entry price towards the top of a price move. Wait for drop, short position becomes positive.
[2017-02-21 17:10:39] coyotejoe : how much do you guys think ETH will grow in long run?
[2017-02-21 17:10:43] ronensinger : Tetsuo: I appreciate the enouragement of market orders, Tetsuo
[2017-02-21 17:11:15] troll5000 : Just watch your margins and make sure you don't get liquidated
[2017-02-21 17:11:35] Investbtc : Thanks Tetsuo
[2017-02-21 17:11:41] Tetsuo : you´re welcome
[2017-02-21 17:11:45] troll5000 : If you know volatility you should know how big possible move's are
[2017-02-21 17:13:05] Investbtc : Sorry Tetsuo, I'm being stupid. How many contracts could I buy for 5 btc market is 36.50?
[2017-02-21 17:13:23] Investbtc : What would that return if the bet came in?
[2017-02-21 17:13:50] Apocalyptic : Investbtc: use the calculator
[2017-02-21 17:14:14] GTmann : Investbtc: the help page on that coin explains it real good
[2017-02-21 17:14:14] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: What's up, dude?
[2017-02-21 17:14:41] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: hey, great I'm on holidays, you ?
[2017-02-21 17:15:00] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Working on my bots. Today is a great day
[2017-02-21 17:15:17] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: I can imagine
[2017-02-21 17:15:33] Apocalyptic : that 1070 drop was great for Ms
[2017-02-21 17:15:41] Apocalyptic : *MMs
[2017-02-21 17:15:46] ronensinger : It was fantastic
[2017-02-21 17:15:55] ronensinger : Was down about 5% for the day right before than, now iM UP 10%
[2017-02-21 17:16:09] rustiv : ronensinger: catched my panic dump
[2017-02-21 17:16:17] Apocalyptic : 10% of your account ?
[2017-02-21 17:16:23] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Yep
[2017-02-21 17:16:25] Apocalyptic : sounds like a great day indeed
[2017-02-21 17:16:36] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: But my account is relatively small
[2017-02-21 17:16:42] ronensinger : I withdraw most of my profit daily
[2017-02-21 17:16:53] Apocalyptic : that's wise
[2017-02-21 17:17:23] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Good day for you today?
[2017-02-21 17:17:24] Sam : /sentiment
[2017-02-21 17:17:26] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 61.74/38.26 Daily: 42.17/57.83 Weekly: 44/56 Monthly: 47.7/52.3
[2017-02-21 17:17:38] alejandromasari : all this sentiment bs bot is useless
[2017-02-21 17:17:43] alejandromasari : don't waste time on it
[2017-02-21 17:17:51] alejandromasari : before the rally sentiment was bearish
[2017-02-21 17:17:53] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: not running anything at the moment, as I can't monitor
[2017-02-21 17:18:04] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: We'll work on something together soon
[2017-02-21 17:19:41] carl : Damn, are longs really about to pay 26% of their positions
[2017-02-21 17:19:51] Investbtc : Thanks, I'll take a look.
[2017-02-21 17:19:54] MikeHunt : carl: 0.26%
[2017-02-21 17:19:58] Apocalyptic : is that so ? well you have my email
[2017-02-21 17:20:02] ronensinger : Lol i love the person who trades in 5 contract blocks
[2017-02-21 17:20:20] MikeHunt : ronensinger: hes from ethiopia
[2017-02-21 17:20:21] coyotejoe : https://www.flickr.com/photos/geraniatic/
[2017-02-21 17:20:25] coyotejoe : peace out
[2017-02-21 17:20:25] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: the 1 contract guy is more annoying
[2017-02-21 17:20:29] coyotejoe : thanks guys
[2017-02-21 17:20:37] Apocalyptic : he's been at it for a while too
[2017-02-21 17:20:38] Investbtc : OK, I'm still being stupid.
[2017-02-21 17:20:42] Cryptonary : /price
[2017-02-21 17:20:43] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1104.25 (0.25%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:43] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1107.9 (-0.01%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:43] trollbot : Kraken: 1104.1 (0%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:44] trollbot : GDAX: 1105.79 (0.15%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:44] trollbot : itBit: 1099.49 (-0.01%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:45] trollbot : OKCoin: 1091.13 (-0.02%)
[2017-02-21 17:20:45] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: I like them. They reduce my exposure from 1000 to 999 :)
[2017-02-21 17:21:46] Investbtc : I'm gonna but 1360 contracts at market 36.50 cost 5btc. If successful how much will I return? I see there is no leverage.
[2017-02-21 17:22:01] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: My bot is too slow
[2017-02-21 17:22:09] ronensinger : I wanna be on the other side of every order soon
[2017-02-21 17:22:30] anonymous123421 : ronensinger: How do you ensure a net neutral exposure overall with MMs?
[2017-02-21 17:22:36] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: you will kill your spread big time
[2017-02-21 17:22:51] ronensinger : anonymous123421: You can't. There is always some exposure
[2017-02-21 17:22:54] Apocalyptic : why would you risk that
[2017-02-21 17:23:00] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: My spread is on average 0.01 anyways and
[2017-02-21 17:23:19] Apocalyptic : micmix: ^^ see
[2017-02-21 17:23:29] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Micmix is smarter than me tho
[2017-02-21 17:23:36] ronensinger : He figured out how to MM with a larger spread
[2017-02-21 17:23:37] Apocalyptic : I told you there is ONE bot quoting a tick spread
[2017-02-21 17:23:52] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: There are a lot of disadvanatges
[2017-02-21 17:23:58] Apocalyptic : yeah I'm referring to a previous discussion we had
[2017-02-21 17:23:59] ronensinger : I'm changing mine to me more like micmix's
[2017-02-21 17:24:13] anonymous123421 : ronensinger: so how do you ensure a lower exposure? create more orders on the side that will reduce it?
[2017-02-21 17:24:41] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: afaik micmix doesn't quote such a tight spread
[2017-02-21 17:24:59] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Yep. He'd staggered. So am I
[2017-02-21 17:25:11] ronensinger : But he staggers at a much larger interval than me
[2017-02-21 17:25:20] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: more room for you :)
[2017-02-21 17:25:29] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Not always a good thinkg
[2017-02-21 17:25:52] Apocalyptic : well I wouldn't quote something so tight either
[2017-02-21 17:25:53] ronensinger : Some bot keeps trading in blocks of 25k
[2017-02-21 17:26:14] Apocalyptic : that's the "designated" MM
[2017-02-21 17:26:30] ronensinger : They must be getting paid a higher rebate to take on that much risk
[2017-02-21 17:26:33] Apocalyptic : and according to micmix it's not him
[2017-02-21 17:27:03] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: It's some london hedge fund
[2017-02-21 17:27:27] Apocalyptic : ronensinger:support said the fee schedule is the same for everyone, including that MM
[2017-02-21 17:27:33] Apocalyptic : so who knows
[2017-02-21 17:27:36] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Then they must be real good
[2017-02-21 17:27:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 1200 @ 1122.64
[2017-02-21 17:27:44] ronensinger : I gftg, seeya later
[2017-02-21 17:27:49] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: how do you knoy that ?
[2017-02-21 17:27:54] Apocalyptic : (re the london info)
[2017-02-21 17:28:04] ronensinger : Heard it a long time ago
[2017-02-21 17:28:17] Apocalyptic : k, see you
[2017-02-21 17:29:02] Cryptonary : /sentiment
[2017-02-21 17:29:04] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 46.9/53.1 Daily: 42.16/57.84 Weekly: 43.96/56.04 Monthly: 47.68/52.32
[2017-02-21 17:29:26] Cryptonary : /price
[2017-02-21 17:29:26] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1104.47 (0.02%)
[2017-02-21 17:29:26] trollbot : GDAX: 1105.11 (-0.06%)
[2017-02-21 17:29:27] trollbot : itBit: 1102.63 (0.29%)
[2017-02-21 17:29:27] trollbot : Kraken: 1107.8 (0.34%)
[2017-02-21 17:29:27] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1109.6 (0.15%)
[2017-02-21 17:29:27] trollbot : OKCoin: 1094.71 (0.33%)
[2017-02-21 17:35:44] BTCDJS : ronensinger: can I ask you a question about trading swaps and futures?
[2017-02-21 17:37:03] BTCDJS : Rapid you here?
[2017-02-21 17:37:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECH17`: sell 325 @ 0.026235
[2017-02-21 17:37:58] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: you here mate?
[2017-02-21 17:38:58] rustiv : BTCDJS: soon
[2017-02-21 17:39:13] rustiv : margin call email from bitmex
[2017-02-21 17:39:20] rustiv : :>
[2017-02-21 17:40:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : Good Morning Ladies
[2017-02-21 17:40:53] Ugly_Old_Goat : All my short perps got covered while asleep
[2017-02-21 17:41:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 20000 @ 1128.74
[2017-02-21 17:41:08] carl : Missed my entry, kicking myself now
[2017-02-21 17:41:17] carl : Goddamned work
[2017-02-21 17:41:20] BTCDJS : Ugly_Old_Goat: question for ya
[2017-02-21 17:41:29] Ugly_Old_Goat : Just sold again to collect funding
[2017-02-21 17:41:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 15000 @ 1106.01
[2017-02-21 17:41:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 119 @ 1105.53
[2017-02-21 17:41:55] Ugly_Old_Goat : ' @BTCDJS Whats up?
[2017-02-21 17:42:10] BTCDJS : Ugly_Old_Goat: is it possible to make a profit shorting swap in a bull market then get LIQed
[2017-02-21 17:43:02] BTCDJS : Ugly_Old_Goat: or do you have to be long H17 at the same time for it to be profitable
[2017-02-21 17:43:11] BTCDJS : say from 900
[2017-02-21 17:43:20] thomaskikansha : short 1x to collect funding yes
[2017-02-21 17:43:20] Ugly_Old_Goat : BTCDJS: Not sure what you are asking
[2017-02-21 17:44:41] thomaskikansha : BTCDJS: you wont get MCed if you short 1x
[2017-02-21 17:44:46] BTCDJS : Ugly_Old_Goat: shorts get funding right. I have heard a couple times now that you get paid if you're short swap but you have to get LIQed plus you receive the +funding
[2017-02-21 17:44:46] ubba : so the annoucement is at 4 pm EST?
[2017-02-21 17:44:54] Coconuter : green dildo
[2017-02-21 17:44:59] Coconuter : S2
[2017-02-21 17:45:04] rustiv : ubba: announcement?
[2017-02-21 17:45:21] ubba : yeah regarding ETF
[2017-02-21 17:45:23] BTCDJS : thomaskikansha: but the method says you have to get LIQed
[2017-02-21 17:45:36] ubba : will there be a livestream does anyone know?
[2017-02-21 17:45:42] Ugly_Old_Goat : BTCDJS: Long or shorts can get funding. Positive is for shorts, negative for longs
[2017-02-21 17:45:57] troll5000 : BTCDJS: no you don't
[2017-02-21 17:45:57] BTCDJS : Ugly_Old_Goat: I mean in a bull market
[2017-02-21 17:46:01] ThruTheFloor : ubba: You said the exact same thing yesterday, fcuk off
[2017-02-21 17:46:17] troll5000 : BTCDJS: no no no
[2017-02-21 17:46:17] j8 : BTCDJS: when the premium / discount is huge you might be better off getting liq'd, but for the most part you should just exit cleanly
[2017-02-21 17:46:24] Ugly_Old_Goat : I do not know what you mean you have to get LIQed
[2017-02-21 17:46:46] Ugly_Old_Goat : Any position at funding time receives or pays funding
[2017-02-21 17:46:58] ubba : no i didnt
[2017-02-21 17:47:15] BTCDJS : j8: right so your in a bull rally. It's manic. Way above spot. You get LIQed. You get paid
[2017-02-21 17:47:49] j8 : you get paid as long as you can hold it, and then you get liq'd and don't have to exit at a big premium
[2017-02-21 17:48:05] j8 : and can maybe even re-enter at a big premium
[2017-02-21 17:48:40] reyno : ubba: uh oh ubba
[2017-02-21 17:48:46] bingbongfly : stop going up btc plz
[2017-02-21 17:48:56] bingbongfly : its enough now
[2017-02-21 17:49:13] n00b : buy this dip!
[2017-02-21 17:49:35] amaru : what dip? lol
[2017-02-21 17:49:52] BTCDJS : j8: is this easy to do? Like for this rally. If I was short 1x from 900 and my LIQ was at 1100 I would get all the +funding plus the premium after getting LIQed? So shorting is profitable?
[2017-02-21 17:50:11] Ugly_Old_Goat : Did very well while asseep. All my shot perps bot covered under 1080 plus went long
[2017-02-21 17:50:15] ubba : well do you guys just think its a coincidence that there will be an announcement today and the price is pumping
[2017-02-21 17:50:26] rustiv : ubba: source pls
[2017-02-21 17:50:29] rustiv : (or gtfo)
[2017-02-21 17:50:31] ubba : its quite obvious they are correlated
[2017-02-21 17:50:41] Ugly_Old_Goat : Just sold the longs and went short again at 1103 to collect funding
[2017-02-21 17:50:52] ubba : rustiv someone said here in chat last night
[2017-02-21 17:50:58] j8 : BTCDJS: well usually the funding you receive is less than the loss from shorting. but you would probably have a profit in USD terms
[2017-02-21 17:51:06] ubba : its been confirmed by 3 people
[2017-02-21 17:51:25] Ugly_Old_Goat : Still net long, but sold out 50% of my position
[2017-02-21 17:51:35] alejandromasari : hey @rapidtrades how do you feel now parting ways with your bitcoin while being short?
[2017-02-21 17:52:01] ubba : ripidtrades
[2017-02-21 17:52:31] BTCDJS : j8: so why do people short one and long the other? Is it for the reason of making profit being long and short?
[2017-02-21 17:52:44] BTCDJS : At the same time
[2017-02-21 17:52:48] ubba : this is the highest bitcoin has ever risen
[2017-02-21 17:53:07] ThruTheFloor : ubba: stfu already
[2017-02-21 17:53:09] ubba : in a week
[2017-02-21 17:53:33] n00b : buy this dip! moon is coming! big announcement today!
[2017-02-21 17:53:41] ross : ubba: check bfx order books, it's pumping
[2017-02-21 17:53:47] Apocalyptic : such rapidhate here today
[2017-02-21 17:53:49] Shaman : good things happened in my sleep
[2017-02-21 17:53:56] indelibleTrade : 'dip'
[2017-02-21 17:53:59] j8 : BTCDJS: i guess you can call it a rates arbitrage. futures will way outperform the swap in a bull market
[2017-02-21 17:54:03] ubba : quite it is
[2017-02-21 17:54:47] ubba : n00b do you know if there will be a livestream of the announcement?
[2017-02-21 17:54:55] BTCDJS : j8: I get the sense that's what sleger does
[2017-02-21 17:55:07] MrRGnome : Anyone member the days when people doubted we'd ever see $1000 again? I member.
[2017-02-21 17:55:09] ubba : later on today
[2017-02-21 17:55:12] j8 : like if you bought the swap a few days ago, you paid some funding. if you bought H17, you got like 2% premium
[2017-02-21 17:55:31] reyno : ubba: your putting the troll in the troll box here
[2017-02-21 17:55:35] j8 : BTCDJS: he does, and so do i and many others
[2017-02-21 17:55:47] CutTheLosses : it's gonna dump
[2017-02-21 17:55:54] CutTheLosses : overheat
[2017-02-21 17:55:58] ubba : need to change my name people aren't taking me serious anymore
[2017-02-21 17:56:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 55 @ 7671.1
[2017-02-21 17:56:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 1600 @ 7677.3
[2017-02-21 17:56:04] BTCDJS : j8: how many contracts at what leverage is the best?
[2017-02-21 17:56:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1500 @ 1110.85
[2017-02-21 17:56:13] j8 : it can backfire horribly though if futures go to discount and the swap funding goes negative
[2017-02-21 17:56:33] ubba : here we go
[2017-02-21 17:56:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1000 @ 1112.75
[2017-02-21 17:56:42] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2000 @ 1112.63
[2017-02-21 17:56:42] REKT : Sell your house, sell your wife, sell your kids, BUY BITCOIN!
[2017-02-21 17:56:57] Apocalyptic : j8: like in a downward movement
[2017-02-21 17:57:08] BTCDJS : j8: I understand that. I realise I would have to choose the right directions
[2017-02-21 17:57:20] Ugly_Old_Goat : Just sold some march aove 1142
[2017-02-21 17:57:22] guacamole : this is ridiculous, wanted to cash out my short but it's a runaway train
[2017-02-21 17:57:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : Wow. what a rally,
[2017-02-21 17:57:44] ThruTheFloor : Calling the top, 50x short, #yolo
[2017-02-21 17:57:52] BTCDJS : j8: so would you say on a risk scale from 1-10 how risky is it?
[2017-02-21 17:57:58] CutTheLosses : it will blow up
[2017-02-21 17:58:00] ubba : guacamole hedge it with a long
[2017-02-21 17:58:04] BTCDJS : 10 being bad
[2017-02-21 17:58:10] CutTheLosses : first leaving the saloon
[2017-02-21 17:58:33] CutTheLosses : and boooom
[2017-02-21 17:58:44] CutTheLosses : i can feel fear
[2017-02-21 17:59:00] ThatCEOGuy : Are we gonna crash before ATH or blow past it?
[2017-02-21 17:59:06] Ugly_Old_Goat : spread over 20
[2017-02-21 17:59:19] ubba : im gonna probably close my longs after they allow btc withdrawals from chinese sites