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[2017-02-13 20:40:22] y1uy : but i like shitcoins from time to time
[2017-02-13 20:40:31] jung1 : yeah its funny
[2017-02-13 20:40:38] y1uy : but pepecash has community behind it
[2017-02-13 20:40:40] y1uy : and its new
[2017-02-13 20:40:53] jung1 : and memes
[2017-02-13 20:40:55] jung1 : I bet
[2017-02-13 20:41:18] jung1 : https://coinmarketcap.com/assets/pepe-cash/
[2017-02-13 20:41:27] jung1 : yeah but you know
[2017-02-13 20:41:40] jung1 : most of that coins cant get up after initial pump
[2017-02-13 20:42:08] jung1 : just another speculation toy where devs earn most
[2017-02-13 20:43:32] y1uy : yeah definately, used to put "rare" memes on the blockchain, but its stupid stuff like this which gets recognition
[2017-02-13 20:44:13] y1uy : they have a nice deflationary model so it doesnt look too bad.. unless the distribution was fucked, they said foundation doesnt hold much
[2017-02-13 20:44:15] jung1 : we will hit 1k today
[2017-02-13 20:44:37] jung1 : y1uy: but what you gonna do with it?
[2017-02-13 20:44:51] jung1 : exept speculation
[2017-02-13 20:45:14] jung1 : you have to bring real value to stay longer
[2017-02-13 20:46:17] jung1 : now you can choose avarager shitcoin on bittrex or yobit, buy it and put sell order +100%
[2017-02-13 20:46:33] jung1 : its really possible that some groups will pump it just for fun
[2017-02-13 20:46:34] y1uy : jung1: well a meme was sold for $2800 the other day on their blockchain
[2017-02-13 20:46:57] y1uy : its not just speculation, not this one
[2017-02-13 20:47:01] jung1 : and zec hit 1800btc
[2017-02-13 20:47:03] jung1 : so what?
[2017-02-13 20:47:58] jung1 : its all about speculation dude
[2017-02-13 20:48:04] y1uy : means that people use it
[2017-02-13 20:48:15] jung1 : for what? making memes?
[2017-02-13 20:49:23] y1uy : yup
[2017-02-13 20:49:26] jung1 : basicly now only bitcoin, monero, ripple and ethereum is used in real life
[2017-02-13 20:49:29] y1uy : better than a shitcoin with only vaporware
[2017-02-13 20:49:34] jung1 : rest are just speculation
[2017-02-13 20:50:59] y1uy : Ethereum has no use case atm
[2017-02-13 20:51:10] y1uy : just uselesss for 99% of the people
[2017-02-13 20:51:14] cryptokeeper : can't believe ETH still at 11 dollars too
[2017-02-13 20:51:14] y1uy : sepculation
[2017-02-13 20:51:17] cryptokeeper : bag holders are strong
[2017-02-13 20:52:25] y1uy : unless you know solidity and u need to make a contract, its useless
[2017-02-13 20:52:30] y1uy : yep
[2017-02-13 20:52:49] y1uy : im bullish on ethereum though dont get me wrong
[2017-02-13 20:53:28] y1uy : but its a shitcoin when compared to monero
[2017-02-13 20:53:40] cryptokeeper : unlimited supply
[2017-02-13 20:53:46] cryptokeeper : contracts are worthless..... no real world use
[2017-02-13 20:53:50] jung1 : 99% dont have to even know about ethereum but will use that kind of tehnology in real life
[2017-02-13 20:53:56] jung1 : eth have a lot of bugs
[2017-02-13 20:54:01] cryptokeeper : hard forks
[2017-02-13 20:54:44] jung1 : but that kind of tehnology will be use in everydaylife. IoT, machine learning, autonomous carss etc
[2017-02-13 20:54:52] BTCDJS : jung1: what do you know about NAUT?
[2017-02-13 20:55:30] jung1 : heard of that, even trade it once on polo but did not read their wp
[2017-02-13 20:56:36] BTCDJS : I bought the bottom and Im still holding even after such a big retrace. But I dont know the FA
[2017-02-13 20:56:52] jung1 : for example syscoin sys interesting. Team is really focused on business and ecommerence. They get some funding and will bring ready tools for companies
[2017-02-13 20:57:04] BTCDJS : I bought doge because I thought it was still popular but now I hear the dev is gone
[2017-02-13 20:57:43] BTCDJS : And what about DGB IYO. I think good team
[2017-02-13 20:57:54] jung1 : yeah
[2017-02-13 20:58:01] jung1 : like it
[2017-02-13 20:58:20] BTCDJS : Those are my three Alt bags. Bought bottom and wait
[2017-02-13 20:58:31] BTCDJS : But I will get out of doge
[2017-02-13 20:59:05] jung1 : you know. you can buy like 50$ of couple avarage altcoins. put it on paper wallets and forget for 10yrs. One of them can make you rich
[2017-02-13 20:59:41] BTCDJS : Yeah I plan to do that with DASH XMR
[2017-02-13 21:02:18] nbmnb : ahmed
[2017-02-13 21:02:34] Ahhere : Xmr agree. The masternode payouts are the only good reason to hold dash as privacy is inferior to xmr @BTCDJS
[2017-02-13 21:04:16] jung1 : finex going long
[2017-02-13 21:10:13] MikeHunt : problem with alt coins is lack of uncorrelation with btc
[2017-02-13 21:10:23] MikeHunt : although in long term it might work out
[2017-02-13 21:10:31] MikeHunt : especially with upcoming civil war in btc
[2017-02-13 21:10:52] -_- : 6666 cny
[2017-02-13 21:10:54] -_- : the horror
[2017-02-13 21:10:58] jung1 : uncorrelation?
[2017-02-13 21:11:13] jung1 : just look on polo during the bigger moves on bitcoin
[2017-02-13 21:11:22] jung1 : if where is bitcoin pump all of them are red
[2017-02-13 21:11:31] jung1 : if dump, everything is gree
[2017-02-13 21:11:33] jung1 : green
[2017-02-13 21:13:49] -_- : BTC to $4000 and long a few alts here on high leverage and enjoy the btc profit
[2017-02-13 21:14:14] -_- : soon™
[2017-02-13 21:14:20] MikeHunt : jung1: question is whether altcoin is better than a short
[2017-02-13 21:14:45] jung1 : shure
[2017-02-13 21:14:57] jung1 : whatever you like
[2017-02-13 21:15:11] jung1 : but alts are cool for diversification
[2017-02-13 21:15:34] bingbongfly : So everything points for down, why arent the price tanking
[2017-02-13 21:15:39] bingbongfly : I dont get this market right now
[2017-02-13 21:15:51] ThruTheFloor : consolidation
[2017-02-13 21:16:51] bingbongfly : with small upwards movement
[2017-02-13 21:16:54] bingbongfly : and flashcrashes
[2017-02-13 21:16:58] bingbongfly : doesnt make sense
[2017-02-13 21:17:21] ThruTheFloor : Its not moving above $1000, it's a nice even number to chill at till etf decision
[2017-02-13 21:17:31] jung1 : yeah
[2017-02-13 21:17:34] jung1 : easier to count
[2017-02-13 21:17:35] bingbongfly : maybe
[2017-02-13 21:17:39] bingbongfly : 1000 seems like a magnet
[2017-02-13 21:17:46] bingbongfly : 1 month of this
[2017-02-13 21:17:47] ThruTheFloor : We're probably gonna dip down into the 800s in a couple days then climb back up again
[2017-02-13 21:17:49] bingbongfly : I will die !
[2017-02-13 21:17:59] jung1 : ThruTheFloor: hope so
[2017-02-13 21:18:00] ThruTheFloor : relax, read a book, youll live
[2017-02-13 21:18:16] jung1 : put some buy orders
[2017-02-13 21:18:20] bingbongfly : Lately dip buyers have been piling up on every attempt to go down
[2017-02-13 21:18:23] jung1 : and chill
[2017-02-13 21:18:37] bingbongfly : with the amount of shorts open, i dont think we will go down
[2017-02-13 21:18:46] bingbongfly : probably not up either
[2017-02-13 21:18:57] jung1 : yeah
[2017-02-13 21:19:03] jung1 : finex is 50/50
[2017-02-13 21:19:07] ThruTheFloor : Just wait till all the bulls get squeezed, will shoot us down right quick
[2017-02-13 21:20:24] bingbongfly : jung1: finex has more shorts
[2017-02-13 21:20:34] bingbongfly : ThruTheFloor: dont you mean the opposite?
[2017-02-13 21:20:35] MikeHunt : 700s and the bull run is dead
[2017-02-13 21:20:40] MikeHunt : hope ~820 bounces
[2017-02-13 21:20:59] jung1 : bingbongfly: nah https://www.bfxdata.com/positions/btcusd
[2017-02-13 21:21:12] bingbongfly : jung1: yes https://www.bfxdata.com/positions/btcusd
[2017-02-13 21:21:14] MikeHunt : and that we get high enough that ETF fail doesn't push us down bellow either
[2017-02-13 21:22:08] jung1 : will be dump imo
[2017-02-13 21:22:12] jung1 : if ETF fail
[2017-02-13 21:23:11] ThruTheFloor : etf fail will push us down but i doubt well go too far, since there is always chance of approval later, is not end of world
[2017-02-13 21:24:27] jung1 : cmon bitmex why you are so low now
[2017-02-13 21:25:25] ThruTheFloor : instead of complaining, maybe try arbitrage
[2017-02-13 21:27:56] ThruTheFloor : Where does everyone get their crypto news from?
[2017-02-13 21:28:35] -_- : www.althedge.xyz
[2017-02-13 21:28:55] MikeHunt : ThruTheFloor: cnledger on twitter for china derps, coindesk and bitcoin news for regular info
[2017-02-13 21:29:29] MikeHunt : tradingview for charts
[2017-02-13 21:29:44] jung1 : OBSOLETE
[2017-02-13 21:29:52] jung1 : http://bitcoinagile.com/default this is ultimate bitcoin info tool
[2017-02-13 21:29:59] jung1 : (and bitmex trollbox)
[2017-02-13 21:30:25] MikeHunt : jung1: interesting, thanks
[2017-02-13 21:30:48] jung1 : dont add it on twitter
[2017-02-13 21:30:56] -_- : You can now give your Valentine a virtual blowjob
[2017-02-13 21:30:59] jung1 : they spam every 20s with some news
[2017-02-13 21:31:12] jung1 : -_-: you are a girl or gay?
[2017-02-13 21:31:39] jung1 : dunno, order some hooker for him
[2017-02-13 21:32:44] jung1 : finex cant go above 997
[2017-02-13 21:34:09] Dynamix : bfx broke high
[2017-02-13 21:34:11] Dynamix : ...
[2017-02-13 21:34:24] Dynamix : jung1: it will go :P
[2017-02-13 21:34:41] jung1 : yup
[2017-02-13 21:34:54] jung1 : I and my long are happy
[2017-02-13 21:35:07] jung1 : WHOOP WHOOP
[2017-02-13 21:35:26] BTCDJS : Jung1 is very knowledgeable, helpful and funny as usual
[2017-02-13 21:35:44] jung1 : sorry you cant be my valentine
[2017-02-13 21:35:52] jung1 : but its kind that you try
[2017-02-13 21:36:01] BTCDJS : Ha
[2017-02-13 21:36:31] BTCDJS : I remember you were the one who called ETH pump when it was 2$
[2017-02-13 21:36:46] BTCDJS : I never went long but watched from the sidelines
[2017-02-13 21:37:08] BTCDJS : Sleger said you were wrong. Habibi laughed
[2017-02-13 21:37:09] Dynamix : jung1: yuuupp
[2017-02-13 21:37:21] BTCDJS : But ETH pumped very successfully
[2017-02-13 21:37:31] Dynamix : BTCDJS: I was thinking of investing in eth at $0.5
[2017-02-13 21:37:38] Dynamix : I had 10 btc laying around ....
[2017-02-13 21:37:51] Dynamix : but nooooppe then I lost like 4 trading that shit eth
[2017-02-13 21:38:34] -_- : n00b
[2017-02-13 21:38:42] Alignment : aethlios: remember when we stayed at the 900s for a few days after the crash from 11XX? right now market reminds me of it
[2017-02-13 21:38:42] jung1 : yup
[2017-02-13 21:38:47] jung1 : eth pump was fun
[2017-02-13 21:38:57] Alignment : whales are reducing their position little by little before the incoming crash
[2017-02-13 21:39:31] Dynamix : Alignment: lol nop
[2017-02-13 21:39:50] -_- : what's so hard about seeing this incoming dump
[2017-02-13 21:40:05] jung1 : greed
[2017-02-13 21:40:17] Noobz : Noobz
[2017-02-13 21:40:25] Dynamix : -_-: r u sure it will dump ? :)
[2017-02-13 21:40:29] Alignment : anyone else trades only with gut feelings?
[2017-02-13 21:40:33] Dynamix : Im short on mar 31 You should be too
[2017-02-13 21:40:37] Dynamix : Alignment: yup me
[2017-02-13 21:40:53] Alignment : what were u told
[2017-02-13 21:41:10] y1uy : Alignment: some whales are increasing
[2017-02-13 21:41:26] Alignment : dumb whales then
[2017-02-13 21:42:17] jung1 : finex orderbook seems bullish
[2017-02-13 21:42:26] Alignment : im very connected to the market i woke up at 6AM with an urge to sell bitcoins. It was at 1073. I basically sold the top
[2017-02-13 21:42:52] Alignment : I was told by my inner being to sell all my bitcoins 1 week before the bitfinex hack
[2017-02-13 21:43:04] jung1 : damn
[2017-02-13 21:43:19] Dynamix : why is bfx 7$ up than this shit ? :P
[2017-02-13 21:43:23] jung1 : creepy
[2017-02-13 21:43:52] y1uy : Alignment: nice, you're tapped to the collective consciousness of btc traders :D
[2017-02-13 21:44:21] Dynamix : up we go
[2017-02-13 21:44:23] y1uy : finex gonna break out
[2017-02-13 21:44:25] Alignment : y1uy: yes :D and it feels so good :D
[2017-02-13 21:44:26] jung1 : Dynamix: to earn more during next pump
[2017-02-13 21:44:36] Alignment : y1uy: do you meditate?
[2017-02-13 21:44:44] BTCDJS : Alignment: whats your inner being telling you now?
[2017-02-13 21:44:45] jung1 : bitmex mm are really kind somedays
[2017-02-13 21:45:04] Alignment : BTCDJS: i was told to sell
[2017-02-13 21:45:05] y1uy : Alignment: yep
[2017-02-13 21:45:09] Alignment : [2017-02-13 19:42:49] aethlios : they dump 50 usd with volume, then let the stupid to drive price up with no volume, then sump again so they reduce their position.
[2017-02-13 21:45:11] Yuppie : Alignment, that's very part of trading. I always ask: where is the pain?
[2017-02-13 21:45:15] Alignment : I think the same as aethlios
[2017-02-13 21:45:18] Dynamix : Alignment: lolol
[2017-02-13 21:45:19] y1uy : Alignment: you meditate?
[2017-02-13 21:45:32] jung1 : they sniff by nose all sell orders on finex
[2017-02-13 21:45:32] Alignment : y1uy: yes every day when i woke up and eveyr night before going to bed
[2017-02-13 21:45:48] Dynamix : Alignment: Did you see machine elves yet #?
[2017-02-13 21:45:52] Alignment : y1uy: thats how i tap in the collective consciousness of bitcoin traders :D
[2017-02-13 21:46:01] BTCDJS : Alignment: breath or something else?
[2017-02-13 21:46:04] y1uy : Alignment: nice :D for how long?
[2017-02-13 21:46:11] jung1 : but its tre that bitcoin is addictive as fuck
[2017-02-13 21:46:24] y1uy : if youre a trader meditation is a must imo
[2017-02-13 21:46:29] Alignment : y1uy: 15mins sometimes more when i feel like it
[2017-02-13 21:46:33] jung1 : I bet that all of you have bitcoin price ticker in phones and check price couple time a week
[2017-02-13 21:46:46] jung1 : y1uy: yeah I want to start
[2017-02-13 21:46:51] jung1 : but dont know how
[2017-02-13 21:47:03] Dynamix : jung1: alpha waves
[2017-02-13 21:47:07] jung1 : should I pay some hippie to teach me or just eat shrooms?
[2017-02-13 21:47:08] Alignment : jung1: i used to have that now i dont chase the market anymore, i let inspiration comes to me and gives me good trades
[2017-02-13 21:47:14] Dynamix : Or just use guided meditations :)
[2017-02-13 21:47:25] y1uy : Alignment: you into psychedelics?
[2017-02-13 21:47:33] y1uy : Alignment: microdosing lsd and trading is the bomb
[2017-02-13 21:47:37] Alignment : y1uy: now just meditation and food and sex and love
[2017-02-13 21:47:43] jung1 : will check it thanks. Can you reccomend me some books?
[2017-02-13 21:47:54] jung1 : finex 998
[2017-02-13 21:48:00] jung1 : that meditation really works
[2017-02-13 21:48:05] jung1 : thanks
[2017-02-13 21:48:35] Alignment : jung1: no book needed just lay in a confortable position somewhere and focus on your breathing, the trick is to begin trusting in yourself and learn that you don't need anyone else guidance, you use your own emotions are your guidance system
[2017-02-13 21:48:45] Dynamix : jung1: U can't know for sure until you try
[2017-02-13 21:48:59] Dynamix : Try LSD first and meditation haha
[2017-02-13 21:49:07] Dynamix : You will be scarred a bit for life lol
[2017-02-13 21:49:26] jung1 : so its about chilling and listen to 7.5–12.5 Hz sounds?
[2017-02-13 21:49:37] jung1 : lsd are cool
[2017-02-13 21:49:38] Dynamix : 365hz
[2017-02-13 21:49:49] jung1 : I like to have a trip once or to in yeat
[2017-02-13 21:49:52] jung1 : year
[2017-02-13 21:50:38] jung1 : wtf guys finex going to 1k
[2017-02-13 21:50:43] Alignment : alright im gonna listen to some bach, gn guys
[2017-02-13 21:51:04] BTCDJS : jung1: I can confirm that when I meditate to be present my intuition is stronger. I get a little freaked out when I predict a future event. But when I dont meditate or am not as present. It goes away. It really helps with focus and calm. And there is a natural intelligence that comes out.
[2017-02-13 21:51:41] Rookie : Alignment: I think you'll like pages 21-24, for real: http://www.dhammadownloads.com.au/the_art_of_dying.pdf
[2017-02-13 21:52:04] BTCDJS : Havent meditated for a while. And i remember the difference. Its noticable
[2017-02-13 21:52:46] jung1 : Rookie: what a motivating tittle
[2017-02-13 21:52:53] jung1 : hehe
[2017-02-13 21:53:35] Rookie : jung1: it is what it is, it's also an art of living and there's a book by that title as well
[2017-02-13 21:53:50] jung1 : will check it
[2017-02-13 21:53:51] jung1 : thanks
[2017-02-13 21:54:33] Papou : buying the dumps is free money god damn
[2017-02-13 21:55:17] rapidtrades : oh fosho
[2017-02-13 21:55:21] y1uy : meditation connects you to your subconscious mind which is much powerful than your conscious mind.. theres where ur intuition comes from
[2017-02-13 21:55:37] Papou : just gotta wait for the big liquidations
[2017-02-13 21:55:41] Papou : then its safe to buy
[2017-02-13 21:56:04] jung1 : do you think somedays people will be able to mapping the brain?
[2017-02-13 21:56:06] Papou : has bitcoin always been lilke this?
[2017-02-13 21:56:16] y1uy : damn finex is pushing through resistance
[2017-02-13 21:56:19] Papou : just absolute free money if ur smart lol
[2017-02-13 21:56:19] jung1 : Papou: basicly yes
[2017-02-13 21:56:34] jung1 : finex 999.5
[2017-02-13 21:56:42] jung1 : whf is happening here
[2017-02-13 21:56:47] jung1 : damn
[2017-02-13 21:56:56] Papou : try and pick up march sub 975
[2017-02-13 21:56:57] Papou : quick
[2017-02-13 21:57:01] y1uy : jung1: u can already map the brain..
[2017-02-13 21:57:04] sleger : "jung1: finex cant go above 997" <= we are ready for take off then
[2017-02-13 21:57:05] Dynamix : https://www.bfxdata.com/positions/btcusd
[2017-02-13 21:57:09] Dynamix : 1h changed to buuys
[2017-02-13 21:57:11] y1uy : jung1: or you mean the mind?
[2017-02-13 21:57:16] jung1 : y1uy: yeah
[2017-02-13 21:57:25] rullwull : dmt is the best for meditation
[2017-02-13 21:57:28] jung1 : sleger: yeah but it was observation not prediction
[2017-02-13 21:57:43] sleger : jung1: thank you for your observations
[2017-02-13 21:57:46] Papou : today will be a good day
[2017-02-13 21:57:47] Dynamix : can we hit 1010 ? :D:D
[2017-02-13 21:57:47] jung1 : de nada
[2017-02-13 21:57:50] tothemoon_ : <- NOW! Rocket is getting fuelled!
[2017-02-13 21:58:03] Dynamix : tothemoon_: yuuuup
[2017-02-13 21:58:04] Papou : holy crap
[2017-02-13 21:58:08] Papou : NICE FUNDING
[2017-02-13 21:58:15] Papou : and scooped up cheap from yest dump
[2017-02-13 21:58:18] Papou : god bless u bitcoin
[2017-02-13 21:58:22] tothemoon_ : choooo choooo beartards will get rekt
[2017-02-13 21:58:29] Dynamix : making £10 for each 1$ Up
[2017-02-13 21:58:31] Papou : my body is ready
[2017-02-13 21:58:34] rapidtrades : Papou: how are u not liquidated yet
[2017-02-13 21:58:37] Dynamix : so go to fucking 1005 pls <3
[2017-02-13 21:58:42] tothemoon_ : 10
[2017-02-13 21:58:48] Papou : my liquidation right now is 613
[2017-02-13 21:58:50] Papou : :/
[2017-02-13 21:58:54] tothemoon_ : 9
[2017-02-13 21:59:05] rapidtrades : STOP WITH THE COUNTDOWN MORAN
[2017-02-13 21:59:07] jung1 : when you gonna short?
[2017-02-13 21:59:21] Papou : only 21000 contracts rapid at 973 average
[2017-02-13 21:59:26] Papou : not a big player
[2017-02-13 21:59:27] Dynamix : Yupp we are going to 1010 :)
[2017-02-13 21:59:48] tothemoon_ : rapidtrades: we love to the drink the blood from stupid bearfools like u are one! it makes us stronger
[2017-02-13 21:59:58] tothemoon_ : 8
[2017-02-13 22:00:19] -_- : okco1n usd needs to pump
[2017-02-13 22:00:25] tothemoon_ : 7
[2017-02-13 22:00:29] -_- : and then xbth17 shorters get rekt and discount goes back to under $10
[2017-02-13 22:00:41] jung1 : finex nd stamp on same level
[2017-02-13 22:00:58] tothemoon_ : -_-: soon 20-50$ premium
[2017-02-13 22:01:09] Papou : that would be amazing
[2017-02-13 22:01:10] tothemoon_ : 6
[2017-02-13 22:01:34] Papou : damn the next funding -.24
[2017-02-13 22:01:37] Papou : rekt
[2017-02-13 22:01:50] Dynamix : jung1: We are still fucking $6 below them lele
[2017-02-13 22:01:54] Papou : that sucks, get rekt twice on funding then liquidated
[2017-02-13 22:01:55] tothemoon_ : nomnom nom eating all the cheap coins
[2017-02-13 22:01:59] Papou : feelsbadman
[2017-02-13 22:02:03] MikeHunt : china demp then no pemp
[2017-02-13 22:02:11] tothemoon_ : after the miniwall on stamp is gone nothing can hold bitcoin back anymore
[2017-02-13 22:02:14] jung1 : Dynamix: be patient
[2017-02-13 22:02:16] -_- : okco1n spot has a bunch of walls to eat. they are going to get left behind if this pumps
[2017-02-13 22:02:34] Dynamix : If I set a close position and the position hits my LIQ price, it wont close my position right?
[2017-02-13 22:02:41] MikeHunt : -_-: cant leave china... http://i.imgur.com/wee4t6L.png
[2017-02-13 22:02:44] Dynamix : being liquidated couse thats what happened to me...
[2017-02-13 22:03:14] tothemoon_ : without china the next stop will be mars
[2017-02-13 22:03:42] tothemoon_ : bitcoin without china is even better than bitcoin without silkroad
[2017-02-13 22:04:16] MikeHunt : tothemoon_: u anti-dregs?
[2017-02-13 22:04:28] tothemoon_ : bearfools will cry all the way up to new ATH
[2017-02-13 22:04:57] MikeHunt : tothemoon_: lol....moonkids
[2017-02-13 22:05:44] rullwull : -_-: 50 btc is the wall?
[2017-02-13 22:08:48] -_- : once okco1n quarterly breaks 900 then we'll pump
[2017-02-13 22:11:10] tothemoon_ : 5
[2017-02-13 22:12:30] jung1 : HOW YOU CAN FACE THE PROBLEM IF PROBLEM IS YOUR FACE
[2017-02-13 22:25:10] ThruTheFloor : "bitcoin without china is even better than bitcoin without silkroad " yeah because losing 1/7th of the world population is a good thing
[2017-02-13 22:26:18] rapidtrades : its much worse then 1/7 cos they're the majority of the ecosystem
[2017-02-13 22:26:34] rapidtrades : 90% of mining and 60% of volume is there
[2017-02-13 22:26:59] rapidtrades : longterm it will be bad for traders too, cos the Chinese are crazy gamboloers
[2017-02-13 22:27:32] rapidtrades : no capital flight money, no gamoblore money
[2017-02-13 22:27:55] rapidtrades : everything pins of the ETF decision for the West
[2017-02-13 22:28:03] y1uy : bitfinex buy books is thin as paper
[2017-02-13 22:31:11] MikeHunt : http://i.imgur.com/1tvTYYe.png
[2017-02-13 22:31:12] MikeHunt : ^thats no china
[2017-02-13 22:36:00] BTCDJS : John wick 2
[2017-02-13 22:36:11] BTCDJS : that is all
[2017-02-13 22:37:37] guacamole : am i the only one that things that how funding relates to mark price is completely backwards? it should start at index and add funding proportionally over 8 hours, then reset to index again at the start of the next funding round
[2017-02-13 22:39:26] BTCDJS : Holy guacamole! You may be on to something!
[2017-02-13 22:39:57] guacamole : heh, not sure if that's agreement or you just wanted to say "holy guacamole!"
[2017-02-13 22:40:31] j8 : what's the difference though?
[2017-02-13 22:40:55] Dynamix : Buy buy buy hehhe
[2017-02-13 22:40:58] BTCDJS : I just wanted to say HG ?
[2017-02-13 22:41:21] guacamole : basically think of it like this: funding is what you're "earning" over the period of 8 hours for providing what the market has greater demand for - you start off with no profit and accumulate it over time
[2017-02-13 22:41:51] guacamole : then at the end of the round, you receive the funding, and it's subtracted from the mark price - making it completely smooth
[2017-02-13 22:42:26] guacamole : how it is now - funding is subtracted immediately at the beginning, and mark price = index at the end, despite the fact that one side is about to get paid
[2017-02-13 22:47:39] j8 : that is how it works though.. there has to be a discontinuity in the mark price, even though the funding payment makes your pnl more or less smooth
[2017-02-13 22:49:53] j8 : so what you're saying is it should go from index to index - funding, instead of from index + funding to index.. but only relative prices matter, its not an actual difference
[2017-02-13 22:51:41] BTCDJS : Makes sense
[2017-02-13 22:51:50] Dynamix : j8: So we should Short BTC ?
[2017-02-13 22:52:11] BTCDJS : Dynamix: wtf
[2017-02-13 22:52:17] j8 : do what your inner child tells you
[2017-02-13 22:52:18] guacamole : j8: i believe it matters when there's a large change in funding from one round to another - let's say funding goes from 0 one round to .375 the next - doesn't this mean that shorts are immediately penalized .375 the moment the index changes? if my understanding is right you could get liquidated from the mark change at funding
[2017-02-13 22:52:29] narnarfromnarnia : -.13 is that high?
[2017-02-13 22:52:36] Dynamix : lolol im high
[2017-02-13 22:52:47] guacamole : narnarfromnarnia: it's sorta high, but it bounces around
[2017-02-13 22:53:03] narnarfromnarnia : yeah so - pays shorts?
[2017-02-13 22:53:16] narnarfromnarnia : in 5hrs
[2017-02-13 22:54:03] j8 : guacamole: it's true, your equity jumps by the difference in funding rates. that's why there's a limit on the change in funding rate. I don't see how things would be any different in what you proposed
[2017-02-13 22:54:50] BTCDJS : There's a sell order for 30 COIN @ 100 buy them quick while it's cheap
[2017-02-13 22:57:03] guacamole : j8: because my way would make the mark price smooth relative to funding - mark price changes by exactly the amount your position is paid, making liquidations smooth. As it is now also penalizes people providing what is more needed to balance the price (shorts or longs)
[2017-02-13 23:04:01] Dynamix : We are gonna go to new highs boys look on bitfinex , getting
[2017-02-13 23:04:06] Dynamix : the strength to push up again heh
[2017-02-13 23:04:13] jung1 : yup
[2017-02-13 23:04:28] jung1 : stamp1000
[2017-02-13 23:05:05] Dynamix : coinbase 1004
[2017-02-13 23:07:49] guacamole : china bearish, rest of the world bullish
[2017-02-13 23:07:52] espadon : eth is pumping
[2017-02-13 23:08:06] espadon : on polo :(
[2017-02-13 23:11:25] confused : why does china still factor into the price here?
[2017-02-13 23:11:33] MikeHunt : bitanic is sinking....
[2017-02-13 23:11:35] MikeHunt : china make sink
[2017-02-13 23:11:36] MikeHunt : http://i.imgur.com/wee4t6L.png
[2017-02-13 23:11:58] cryptokeeper : Dont worry about it
[2017-02-13 23:12:17] j8 : guacamole: gotcha, it does seem to make sense, basically spreads the change in funding rate over 8 hours, so it could reduce liquidations at the funding time
[2017-02-13 23:13:57] tothemoon_ : 4
[2017-02-13 23:14:17] rapidtrades : srsly?
[2017-02-13 23:14:31] rapidtrades : DON'T MAKE ME ANRGY
[2017-02-13 23:15:06] guacamole : j8: yeah i don't see any downside, though it's good to have others doublecheck that the logic is sound - then if someone wants to take the further step of trying to convince bitmex
[2017-02-13 23:15:28] rapidtrades : stop shilling for the new index
[2017-02-13 23:16:00] guacamole : rapidtrades: i'm not talking about the index
[2017-02-13 23:16:39] rapidtrades : nvm i read that posts above
[2017-02-13 23:17:01] rapidtrades : i agree, it would be more logical to not have this lag
[2017-02-13 23:17:02] tothemoon_ : rapidtrades: no need to worry bro, when ur shorts blow up u might find urself also on the moon
[2017-02-13 23:17:15] rapidtrades : ur an idiot
[2017-02-13 23:17:29] j8 : yeah i'm not sure why they chose the way they did, there were a lot of changes all at once when they introduced it, and a lot of discussion around things, and that part was the least of our concerns at the time
[2017-02-13 23:17:54] rapidtrades : let's remind ourselves that noone liked the swap back then
[2017-02-13 23:18:16] rapidtrades : ppl don't like it much now either but they're used to it
[2017-02-13 23:18:18] tothemoon_ : can i smell rocket fuel in here?
[2017-02-13 23:18:23] j8 : it was a real mess, well bitmex never expected the funding charges to be anywhere near 0.375%
[2017-02-13 23:18:45] guacamole : guess i wasn't around to see all the problems when it was introduced - its got its ups and downs, nice not to get liquidated by futures markets spazzing out
[2017-02-13 23:18:52] rapidtrades : funding needs to be uncapped and applied without lag
[2017-02-13 23:19:09] tothemoon_ : nomnom nom cheap coins on Stamp, get em while you can, nomnomnm --> last tickets for the rocket are about to be sold
[2017-02-13 23:20:35] Dynamix : No point shorting lol, We are going back up
[2017-02-13 23:21:06] tothemoon_ : fasten your seatbelts
[2017-02-13 23:21:17] -_- : bitcoin heading back to earth
[2017-02-13 23:21:26] -_- : without china bitcoin is nothing
[2017-02-13 23:21:28] Dynamix : -_-: down to what price you think ?
[2017-02-13 23:21:32] -_- : worthless internet token
[2017-02-13 23:21:38] guacamole : rapidtrades: i think i agree, but i'm not sure if the 8 hour time would cause weird effects - like it spikes, driving funding sky high, then returns to normal, but funding is still incredibly high, forcing price off mark the other way
[2017-02-13 23:22:09] -_- : i'd pay Tree Fiddy for 1 bitcoin
[2017-02-13 23:22:25] guacamole : still, should be higher than .375 cap, and smooth mark price/liquidations would allow that
[2017-02-13 23:22:33] MikeHunt : if u use high lvg the funding is actually quite low
[2017-02-13 23:24:43] sleger : funding doesnt depend on lvg dummy
[2017-02-13 23:27:23] guacamole : does someone know what bitvc (huobi future) is arbitraged against? is there an equivalent with better liquidity? (i know there's okc, though it's slightly different)
[2017-02-13 23:28:41] sleger : did you mean to ask what their index is ?
[2017-02-13 23:28:44] rapidtrade : i´m closin my shorts here, looks like it will pump soon!
[2017-02-13 23:29:11] rapidtrade : next stop 3000$
[2017-02-13 23:29:23] sleger : I dont think you can run IRC on rapid's laptop
[2017-02-13 23:29:34] Ahhere : lol that sounds like rapidtrade
[2017-02-13 23:30:06] Ahhere : s
[2017-02-13 23:30:32] rapidtrade : last chance to buy below 1000$ and never look back again
[2017-02-13 23:30:34] guacamole : sleger: no i mean if there's a specific exchange used to arbitrage against it since there are clearly bots doing some kind of cross-exchange trading on there
[2017-02-13 23:30:58] guacamole : but they may just be eating the risk of different types of futures
[2017-02-13 23:33:03] guacamole : also huobi+bitvc always lag and disconnect for me, so not ideal
[2017-02-13 23:34:17] j8 : the XBC contract here has decent liquidity. of course china liquidity is way down these days
[2017-02-13 23:37:00] MikeHunt : sleger: 50k on 1x is more expensive than 50k on 50x
[2017-02-13 23:37:08] MikeHunt : at least thats what muh trade history says
[2017-02-13 23:37:09] guacamole : j8: yeah but 90% of liquidity is just the main marketmaker, it's fine if you want to buy just once and hold for 2 months, though if you're highly leveraged and market maker decides to drastically reduce liquidity and increase spreads...
[2017-02-13 23:37:15] sleger : MikeHunt: it is not dummy
[2017-02-13 23:37:17] aethlios : okcoin btc 967, are they only selling and deposit in cny??
[2017-02-13 23:37:19] sleger : 50k is 50k
[2017-02-13 23:37:36] MikeHunt : sleger: seems funding only charged against initial amount u put up
[2017-02-13 23:37:44] sleger : MikeHunt: it is not dummy
[2017-02-13 23:37:53] MikeHunt : sleger: well the fees for me have worked out that way
[2017-02-13 23:37:54] sleger : god you really dont understand much
[2017-02-13 23:38:03] sleger : someone tell him
[2017-02-13 23:38:10] Ahhere : ok coin dropping to 981
[2017-02-13 23:39:39] MikeHunt : sleger: nvm, forgot % adds two dec. places
[2017-02-13 23:39:57] sleger : oh boy
[2017-02-13 23:40:41] rapidtrades : aethlios: what do u mean? why would they deposit where they can't get out
[2017-02-13 23:41:40] aethlios : rapidtrades: I mean the opposite, they sell and deposit the yuan to their bank, they withdraw from okcoin huobi.
[2017-02-13 23:42:10] rapidtrades : yeah ofc they do that
[2017-02-13 23:42:25] aethlios : so china could be dropping steadily.
[2017-02-13 23:42:26] rapidtrades : that's what everyone here would do in the same situation
[2017-02-13 23:42:40] rapidtrades : im rly surprised the fall is this measured
[2017-02-13 23:42:46] j8 : they can buy and get their btc (maybe) in a month, so it's like a one month future with physical delivery, no leverage, and counterparty risk
[2017-02-13 23:42:51] rapidtrades : they prolly follow the West to some degree
[2017-02-13 23:43:21] rapidtrades : and in the west u have the winklewii trying to dampen vol by keeping prices around 1k
[2017-02-13 23:43:23] aethlios : so who is buying??
[2017-02-13 23:43:28] rapidtrades : the twins
[2017-02-13 23:43:42] MikeHunt : apparently a lot of chinese are waiting on exchanges
[2017-02-13 23:43:51] rapidtrades : that's why we won't go above 1k much
[2017-02-13 23:43:59] BTCDJS : Tweedle dee and tweedle dum?
[2017-02-13 23:44:03] rapidtrades : cos their goal isn't to pump but to dampen vol
[2017-02-13 23:44:07] MikeHunt : they dont wanna withdraw to bank cuz of aml etc.
[2017-02-13 23:44:10] aethlios : no in okcoin who is buying, since you can't withdraw btc you only can sell lower, yuan is going out of exchange.
[2017-02-13 23:44:31] rapidtrades : arbers etc...they follow the West to some degree
[2017-02-13 23:44:45] rapidtrades : i know slever is buying okc march for example
[2017-02-13 23:45:01] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: are you guessing or do you know?
[2017-02-13 23:45:03] rapidtrades : some ppl don't mind the counter-party risk
[2017-02-13 23:45:13] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: which part?
[2017-02-13 23:45:26] BTCDJS : All of it
[2017-02-13 23:45:50] aethlios : could we see china 500 and west 800? okcoin.com is safe but in okcoin.ch why they buy, okcoin.ch btc spread could widden more and more
[2017-02-13 23:46:18] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: the longer price remains stuck to 1k, the more convinced i become its the twins
[2017-02-13 23:47:03] rapidtrades : if we go much above it then the odds are its moonkids not the twins
[2017-02-13 23:47:07] BTCDJS : Tinfoil hat
[2017-02-13 23:47:26] rapidtrades : didn't the price their ETF with price of bitcoin 1k
[2017-02-13 23:47:35] BTCDJS : Mine is shaped like a boat
[2017-02-13 23:47:50] MikeHunt : i think even wen china does come online, we'll get dump due to the new checks/capital controls
[2017-02-13 23:48:07] Dynamix : that bfx pump lolol
[2017-02-13 23:48:26] BTCDJS : sleger: do you think rapid is right?
[2017-02-13 23:48:38] datboiyuan : rapidtrades: you're a silly goose
[2017-02-13 23:48:48] datboiyuan : 1k has nothing to do with the etf
[2017-02-13 23:48:52] rapidtrades : aethlios: the gap wont persist for long because after ETF is resolved we will crash as well
[2017-02-13 23:48:56] BTCDJS : datboiyuan: you're a gay teletubby
[2017-02-13 23:49:00] sleger : BTCDJS: no
[2017-02-13 23:49:04] datboiyuan : thanks!
[2017-02-13 23:49:24] datboiyuan : BTCDJS: I've seen you post your alt bags here
[2017-02-13 23:49:30] datboiyuan : you're the queer
[2017-02-13 23:49:38] datboiyuan : OMGSH DGB PLEASE PLEASE
[2017-02-13 23:49:41] datboiyuan : faggot
[2017-02-13 23:49:58] rapidtrades : sleger hasn't yet developed his critical thinking skills, he's not the best when it comes to fundamentals
[2017-02-13 23:50:17] MikeHunt : is drop? http://i.imgur.com/Xc5Q9KI.png
[2017-02-13 23:50:29] j8 : says the guy that paid $3000 for zec?
[2017-02-13 23:50:40] rapidtrades : IT WAS AN ARB
[2017-02-13 23:50:56] j8 : oh so it worked out great then
[2017-02-13 23:51:15] rapidtrades : I'd do it again in a second
[2017-02-13 23:51:27] rapidtrades : would've won if bitmex didn't cap the price
[2017-02-13 23:51:46] j8 : probably true
[2017-02-13 23:52:04] datboiyuan : if it weren't for those meddling kids!!!
[2017-02-13 23:56:03] narnarfromnarnia : wow it dropped to 950's?
[2017-02-13 23:56:10] narnarfromnarnia : i always miss the dips
[2017-02-13 23:58:18] guacamole : narnarfromnarnia: i always buy the futures like a sucker, then futures just stay where they are while the price goes up
[2017-02-13 23:58:48] narnarfromnarnia : yes but futures also range +20/-20 when perpetual stays the same too
[2017-02-13 23:58:52] guacamole : then price drops down $15 and everybody panics and they crash more
[2017-02-13 23:59:03] narnarfromnarnia : i saw 970 - 990 when perpetual didn't move
[2017-02-13 23:59:20] guacamole : that's too bad, i must have missed that one
[2017-02-14 00:00:08] guacamole : there's certainly opportunities to take advantage of futures if you're patient, but there's always a risk they just refuse to do what you expect after you buy in
[2017-02-14 00:00:50] Tetsuo : iust wanted to withdraw my last coins from okcoin.com ..... https://picload.org/image/ropilprr/okoo.jpg
[2017-02-14 00:01:15] rapidtrades : can smone tell me whats in teh pic
[2017-02-14 00:01:32] rapidtrades : don't trust u guys after my near haxing few days ago
[2017-02-14 00:01:32] Tetsuo : your mother on her knees
[2017-02-14 00:01:42] MikeHunt : ^ that
[2017-02-14 00:01:43] Tetsuo : who haxed u?
[2017-02-14 00:01:57] Tetsuo : also this on reddit, https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/5trxot/okcoincom_fake_withdraw_for_3_days/ddovg02/
[2017-02-14 00:02:36] MikeHunt : maybe okc is insolvent lol
[2017-02-14 00:02:42] MikeHunt : now that'd cause a crash
[2017-02-14 00:03:45] Tetsuo : never had any problems before, made about 2-300 withdraws in the last years
[2017-02-14 00:03:57] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: so what happened
[2017-02-14 00:04:06] rapidtrades : why don't u telll us instead of linking shit
[2017-02-14 00:04:33] Tetsuo : suck some monkey dick
[2017-02-14 00:04:50] rapidtrades : cos 9/10 in that reddit thread say they got their monies
[2017-02-14 00:05:21] Tetsuo : yeah , i tried 2 minutes after reading the thread, and surprise, i´m also a lucky one
[2017-02-14 00:06:26] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: help me understand this retard
[2017-02-14 00:06:26] Tetsuo : give my money u filthy scammin chinese
[2017-02-14 00:07:05] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: just type out what happened
[2017-02-14 00:07:20] MikeHunt : it cud only b a conspiracy if 9/11 didnt get their monies
[2017-02-14 00:08:00] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: click the link u fool
[2017-02-14 00:10:51] MikeHunt : Tetsuo: y didn u pul out aftr dey stp CN withdrwls?
[2017-02-14 00:11:19] Tetsuo : i did, already withdrew 80% of my account there
[2017-02-14 00:12:07] MikeHunt : Tetsuo: watch out with stamp btw if u have a lot of btc, they can do random anal quiz n lock up ur funds
[2017-02-14 00:12:21] MikeHunt : til u prove where they all came from
[2017-02-14 00:12:43] Tetsuo : i am using stamp for ~5 years , never had any problems, must trustworthy exchange in my eyes
[2017-02-14 00:13:01] Tetsuo : *most
[2017-02-14 00:13:32] MikeHunt : apparently they have hidden limits, if u dont pass them then ull b fine
[2017-02-14 00:14:54] robert2 : negative funding rate is positive for shorting ?
[2017-02-14 00:15:06] crmun : no
[2017-02-14 00:15:20] crmun : shorts pay
[2017-02-14 00:15:42] -_- : okco1n.cn down?
[2017-02-14 00:15:53] robert2 : ahh, ok, now shorting are paying ?
[2017-02-14 00:16:05] -_- : nope just btcwisdom feed
[2017-02-14 00:16:52] Dynamix : shorting time eh ? :P
[2017-02-14 00:17:37] BarefootFlash : Almost, haha
[2017-02-14 00:18:52] Dynamix : Seems like it doesnt wanna go up this place lol its hard af
[2017-02-14 00:19:06] BarefootFlash : Yup