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[2017-02-13 10:03:49] guacamole : all i'm talking about is the index matching usd/btc trades, which it isn't doing a good job of - we should probably have about 5 exchanges in the index, and like them or not, the index should probably follow bitfinex for the most part
[2017-02-13 10:03:50] rapidtrades : ofc it was more its 100x
[2017-02-13 10:03:53] Dynamix : We are behind $20 lets get back up
[2017-02-13 10:04:02] rapidtrades : guacamole: f*ck off
[2017-02-13 10:04:18] ayy_lmao : 0.15% in 1 hour lol
[2017-02-13 10:04:19] j8 : it didn't always though.
[2017-02-13 10:04:33] guacamole : rapidtrades: feel like a big man? i'm discussing exchange issues while you're just pissing yourself
[2017-02-13 10:04:40] Lalaworld : Free money here imo. choyna dump is lol
[2017-02-13 10:04:40] guacamole : get that outta here
[2017-02-13 10:05:12] rapidtrades : 1. okc is not going out unless its insolvent 2. bitfinex is not going back in
[2017-02-13 10:05:28] rapidtrades : so this discussion is moot
[2017-02-13 10:06:17] MikeHunt : After etf rejection... https://t3.rbxcdn.com/141fd6d0df7ac3a3ce7ca984e6f98936
[2017-02-13 10:06:27] guacamole : you literally provided 0 reasons, but there's no point arguing with you anyway, i'd rather bring it to people's attention who actually matter
[2017-02-13 10:06:49] Ugly_Old_Goat : I hope you bears were wise enought to cover your shorts, No excuse now to be short this marrket. Again, I covered all shorts and added to longs. I will be bearish only if we break 900 We tried and could not come close.
[2017-02-13 10:06:50] guacamole : bitmex is certainly welcome to make their own decisions and disagree with mine if they like
[2017-02-13 10:07:07] lolka : shift to da moon
[2017-02-13 10:07:09] rapidtrades : im just telling u what bitmex has inferred from their posts here
[2017-02-13 10:08:03] j8 : there's not a lot of options. coinbase is pretty wacky too
[2017-02-13 10:08:22] rapidtrades : when we were going up, ppl wanted to axe bitstamp cos it lagged china
[2017-02-13 10:08:38] guacamole : j8: whacky in which ways? over the market, too volatile/illiquid, or other issues?
[2017-02-13 10:08:46] Ugly_Old_Goat : The index change will not happen untill the June futures comes on board. If Chine starts releasing funds, the will keep it on indiex. If not the must drop
[2017-02-13 10:09:09] Lalaworld : Coinbase doesn't jump around like a retard therefore must be whacky
[2017-02-13 10:09:27] Ugly_Old_Goat : PS. Winkltits etf will not be approved. SEC would be foolish to do ti.
[2017-02-13 10:09:43] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: where will u close ur shorts? 880?
[2017-02-13 10:10:00] rapidtrades : prolly, some of them
[2017-02-13 10:10:01] j8 : guacamole: it's pretty disconnected from other markets in the same was okc usd is. and not a lot of international people can trade there
[2017-02-13 10:10:34] BitMEX_Sam : Hey @j8 thanks for the profile from before; some of the heavier functions I saw in what you sent me have been optimized in this release
[2017-02-13 10:10:40] Ahhere : Ugly_Old_Goat: agreed. The publicity from this and the other ETFs will have a positive influence on awareness of bitcoin
[2017-02-13 10:10:42] rapidtrades : i think no index change should happen until after etf get resolved
[2017-02-13 10:10:44] Ugly_Old_Goat : Coinbase is not a spec exchange. The closed my account and in a bad way. I had to sue and they settled. Not a place to do busines
[2017-02-13 10:10:46] BitMEX_Sam : There is still some work to do but we're making good incremental progress on speeding up component renders
[2017-02-13 10:10:48] guacamole : j8: fair points, but i think if we had 4-5 exchanges in the index at least it might balance out their imperfections a little - they all have flaws of some sort
[2017-02-13 10:11:11] j8 : BitMEX_Sam: it's looking a lot better for sure
[2017-02-13 10:11:18] Tetsuo : i don´t think that both okk and huobi will survive
[2017-02-13 10:11:20] rapidtrades : ppl took positions here based on the index composition...pretty much everyone knew what they were getting into
[2017-02-13 10:11:49] Ugly_Old_Goat : Ahhere: Al publicity is good publicity but an etf will not work in crypto and the SEC should know this
[2017-02-13 10:11:49] Dynamix : Buy the dips
[2017-02-13 10:12:06] Dynamix : Ugly_Old_Goat: shhh btc to 2k
[2017-02-13 10:12:07] guacamole : rapidtrades: that's a perfectly fair point, and they certainly shouldn't implement any change without fair warning - but that doesn't mean it's doing a good job or that improvements shouldn't be considered
[2017-02-13 10:12:17] Ahhere : Ugly_Old_Goat: yep they should have just said no immediately dont know why they dragging it out
[2017-02-13 10:12:59] Ahhere : always a chance of yes after brexit and trump
[2017-02-13 10:13:14] rapidtrades : guacamole: they said they will add an extra exchange at some point
[2017-02-13 10:13:17] guacamole : it does cause you to have longs paying funding with massive future discounts everywhere else, like $80 on okc, which is pretty screwed up - but i agree, it is technically fair - good for shorts though
[2017-02-13 10:13:28] Ugly_Old_Goat : Cause I really don't think they understod btc. If they did their homework and understand it, they can only say no
[2017-02-13 10:14:13] Ugly_Old_Goat : I would be a disaster. Recommend Tone Vay. He has covered why quite well
[2017-02-13 10:14:40] guacamole : Ugly_Old_Goat: what's the gist of the argument?
[2017-02-13 10:14:46] rapidtrades : bifinex can't be added because they created 70mil in token out of thin air and they allow those to be used in margin trading
[2017-02-13 10:14:47] j8 : yeah the swap needs a good index because it can't really trade freely
[2017-02-13 10:15:09] rapidtrades : the amount of actual usd on that exchange is very low
[2017-02-13 10:15:13] Ahhere : Ugly_Old_Goat: thats good it makes them look clueless and makes people ask real question about btc
[2017-02-13 10:15:18] Ugly_Old_Goat : guacamole: Do your own research. There are numerous reasons
[2017-02-13 10:15:50] guacamole : rapidtrades: yeah bitfinex does blow, i'll give you that, like i said all the exchanges have flaws, but bitfinex might be the representative of the usd market (well, has the most volume)
[2017-02-13 10:16:10] rapidtrades : and i told u above why it has the most volume
[2017-02-13 10:16:23] rapidtrades : plus u can't trust their self-reported volumes
[2017-02-13 10:16:32] rapidtrades : we know that they run inhouse bots
[2017-02-13 10:16:47] guacamole : you could be right, wouldn't surprise me - i can understand bfx not being in there but still think in the future we need more in the index
[2017-02-13 10:16:48] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: can u use the tokens to trade BTC/USD?
[2017-02-13 10:17:08] rapidtrades : yes ofc, u can use them as margin
[2017-02-13 10:17:13] Tetsuo : omg lol
[2017-02-13 10:17:15] Ugly_Old_Goat : Who has the private keys? Number one. If btc then why not OneCoin?
[2017-02-13 10:17:22] j8 : flash crash the token and watch the fireworks
[2017-02-13 10:17:32] rapidtrades : yes that's another major risk
[2017-02-13 10:17:34] guacamole : rapidtrades: are they represented in margin trading as being worth $1 or at their current market rate?
[2017-02-13 10:17:44] rapidtrades : current market rate
[2017-02-13 10:17:51] Tetsuo : lol
[2017-02-13 10:17:57] guacamole : well, that's good at least, otherwise it would be even more of a scam
[2017-02-13 10:18:03] Dynamix : Breakoutt
[2017-02-13 10:18:12] guacamole : i really wish bitfinex had tanked when they got hacked
[2017-02-13 10:18:46] guacamole : but whether they faked volumes into success or people were dumb enough to stick around, they're still there
[2017-02-13 10:19:16] rapidtrades : they bragged that 3 out of the top 5 token holders are their executives
[2017-02-13 10:19:30] rapidtrades : meaning they just kept millions on their own exchange
[2017-02-13 10:20:07] guacamole : probably gaming liquidations
[2017-02-13 10:20:26] rapidtrades : they later said there's no problem is employees traded on the exchange although they denided running bots
[2017-02-13 10:20:47] rapidtrades : but why keep millions on there unless ur actively trading
[2017-02-13 10:20:52] xxxxxx : rapidtrades: where did you find this information?
[2017-02-13 10:21:02] rapidtrades : they said it themselves
[2017-02-13 10:21:18] rapidtrades : on reddit by their Representative
[2017-02-13 10:21:25] j8 : phil always said he traded small amounts there and of course would never look at peoples stops
[2017-02-13 10:21:25] BitMEX_Sam : They've admitted to trading on there a few times, heard it on TS
[2017-02-13 10:21:36] xxxxxx : rapidtrades: Can you provie a link?
[2017-02-13 10:21:58] j8 : yes i'm sure there's a recording of that
[2017-02-13 10:22:05] rapidtrades : xxxxxx: https://www.reddit.com/user/zanetackett
[2017-02-13 10:22:17] j8 : oh god, that's gonna be a fun read
[2017-02-13 10:22:37] guacamole : oh yeah, when they had the intern fielding questions on them getting hacked
[2017-02-13 10:22:37] rapidtrades : look at the history , if he hasn't deleted it
[2017-02-13 10:23:09] rapidtrades : or u can try googling and see if u can find the exact posts
[2017-02-13 10:24:13] j8 : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2t3iz5/bitfinex_cso_phillip_g_potter_admits_to_trading/
[2017-02-13 10:24:45] Ugly_Old_Goat : Do you realize we are only down 14 dollars yet this market is down 40 in perp and 30 in March. We are not going down. Even if spot breaks a bit this market will not follow
[2017-02-13 10:25:02] Ugly_Old_Goat : I advise highly not to sell into this rally
[2017-02-13 10:25:53] Tetsuo : which rally?
[2017-02-13 10:26:13] rapidtrades : idk I asked him that earlier
[2017-02-13 10:26:17] j8 : his screen is upside down
[2017-02-13 10:26:22] j8 : or his head is on backwards
[2017-02-13 10:26:26] Lalaworld : The rally to 10k
[2017-02-13 10:26:35] rapidtrades : lol
[2017-02-13 10:26:41] guacamole : 10,000 cents
[2017-02-13 10:29:00] Ugly_Old_Goat : kraken low was only 883
[2017-02-13 10:29:12] Ugly_Old_Goat : I mean 983
[2017-02-13 10:29:38] Ugly_Old_Goat : This market remains way over sold
[2017-02-13 10:30:38] l3f : Ugly_Old_Goat: The real selling hasn't started yet
[2017-02-13 10:30:48] l3f : Nobody dumps on non-news
[2017-02-13 10:30:49] Ugly_Old_Goat : March should be back over 1000 very soon, less than 24 hours , probably less than 12 hours
[2017-02-13 10:30:53] l3f : unless they want to dump
[2017-02-13 10:31:17] Ugly_Old_Goat : l3f: Dream on. We just had real selling. And I was a real buyer
[2017-02-13 10:31:47] Lalaworld : Seems like a lot of people want a dump... but more want the corn itself
[2017-02-13 10:32:15] l3f : Ugly_Old_Goat: we'll see I guess
[2017-02-13 10:33:27] Ugly_Old_Goat : l3f: Yup,
[2017-02-13 10:34:33] Ugly_Old_Goat : Again I was light reall seller at 1000 and buyer on thiis break. It was all we needed to resume the uptrend.
[2017-02-13 10:35:01] Ahhere : Ugly_Old_Goat: http://imgur.com/a/8aT5p support 970 according to this support line what u think?
[2017-02-13 10:37:57] bg5 : bear flag broke to low side but may still hold, long way until next support https://www.tradingview.com/x/vc8IM19n/
[2017-02-13 10:42:32] abbey : silent. atmosphere excited, scared even, what happens next
[2017-02-13 10:43:04] abbey : trollbox not workin?
[2017-02-13 10:43:17] abbey : ok, i see
[2017-02-13 10:43:34] l3f : bg5: that's the worst bear flag I've seen yet
[2017-02-13 10:43:50] l3f : It looked like the walk the plank pattern to me
[2017-02-13 10:46:07] Ugly_Old_Goat : Ahhere: Yes, Look. I sold out at 1140 on Jan 4. I started buying back a 876 and bot all the way down to 715 with an average of abut 805 . I lightend up at 1090 by selling perp against March. I covered my short perp at 959 started buying more March at 949 all the way down to 905 with an avaerage under 930. I sold this last rally at 1000, covered my shorts at 960 on perp and bot March at 940. Yes, thie market is at the bottom of a long term trend ling. March is at a huge discount. I am very very bullish and will only change my mind if we break under 900 which which case I will liquidate but still iwith a nice profit. I I have never gone short btgicoin. I only vary my long position. I am not looking for any more breaks. We have had 3 big ones and this one was quite minor, but simply stopped out weak hands that bot this rally. This rally can proabley be bot,. I already bot back in over 20 lower
[2017-02-13 10:46:08] l3f : bg5: https://i.imgur.com/BP9wYSA.png
[2017-02-13 10:46:32] Ugly_Old_Goat : I will not sell anything now under we get back over 1000 and then only lightly to take profit
[2017-02-13 10:47:37] ayy_lmao : l3f: lol
[2017-02-13 10:48:01] Dynamix : Ugly_Old_Goat: yuuup
[2017-02-13 10:48:09] guacamole : does someone know why the funding seems to get stuck sometimes - some factor that prevents it from swinging too wildly from one funding period to the next?
[2017-02-13 10:49:01] guacamole : erased the funding longs would pay next time, but has been stuck around -.0092 to -.0094 despite the $5 swap discount for a while
[2017-02-13 10:49:43] bg5 : my first profit take point was hit at 960 was going to wait on a bounce to 985 to reshort that part of my position
[2017-02-13 10:49:58] l3f : bg5: wise move
[2017-02-13 10:50:06] l3f : I was thinking 980 reshort as well
[2017-02-13 10:50:16] bg5 : but it may not come this seems a good spot to short more
[2017-02-13 10:50:25] l3f : bg5: patience
[2017-02-13 10:50:56] guacamole : unless china decides to go for bad news twice in one day
[2017-02-13 10:51:23] Ugly_Old_Goat : Before you fellas short this thing again you need to look at other markets tan the Chineese
[2017-02-13 10:52:44] Ugly_Old_Goat : Again, Mexico barely coughed. We have big problems in Euro,,, Krken barely broke and their the big btc/euro market
[2017-02-13 10:52:47] ayy_lmao : Ugly_Old_Goat: you are rigth
[2017-02-13 10:52:47] ayy_lmao : you can still sell your coins on bitstamp for $993, just saying
[2017-02-13 10:53:03] aethlios : etf rejection and chinese exchanges irrelevance is the bottom, so 750-800 possible. wait decision for etf to go long
[2017-02-13 10:53:14] j8 : guacamole: the predicted funding rate is an average over the 8 hour session, it doesn't change much when there's only 1 hour left
[2017-02-13 10:53:28] l3f : aethlios: I think etf rejection will move it solidly back into 800s buying zone
[2017-02-13 10:53:35] Ugly_Old_Goat : Yup, I am a huge buyer here, Especially the march. It went to a d40 discount in this last paniic
[2017-02-13 10:53:59] l3f : aethlios: unfortunately, I don't know if it will start another bear market
[2017-02-13 10:54:12] Ugly_Old_Goat : It will go to carrying, and it will be at new high ground when it goes there
[2017-02-13 10:54:16] aethlios : l3f: there will be much etf hype until 11 march, so all will try to dump.
[2017-02-13 10:54:16] l3f : Let's hope the ema catches the knife
[2017-02-13 10:54:38] l3f : Weekly chart still has room for a few dumps more
[2017-02-13 10:56:13] aethlios : l3f: https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/JAGD0Dry-BTC-consolidation-before-the-move-to-1-700/ posted that yesterday before the today's dump.
[2017-02-13 10:56:45] l3f : aethlios: well I shorted at 1k according to my own analysis
[2017-02-13 10:57:04] guacamole : j8: unless my perception is very far off though, it's more than that, it moves until it hits +/- .00xx, then sticks sometimes
[2017-02-13 10:57:05] l3f : But the cycle looks good
[2017-02-13 10:57:23] l3f : aethlios: look at the massive shorts opened on bfx
[2017-02-13 11:00:05] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/UDTvMNZW/ last 2 scycles were 2000% from bottom, so 2,700 is a target top
[2017-02-13 11:00:07] l3f : http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/_qil1czJ5Wb3rTivJ43D1A
[2017-02-13 11:00:15] l3f : Okcoin analysis team
[2017-02-13 11:00:16] l3f : lol
[2017-02-13 11:01:23] j8 : guacamole: there is a +/- 0.05% "dampener" around the interest rate, although it doesn't really make much difference. see https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide#Final-Funding-Rate-Calculation
[2017-02-13 11:02:34] j8 : the difference in interest rates from bitfinex is around -0.05 now. so when the premium index is between -0.1 and 0, it will count as -0.05
[2017-02-13 11:03:07] aethlios : l3f: finex super bear, rates to borrow btc are 3 times more than usd, bearish everywhere. now to hedge btc you pay 1.5% per month.
[2017-02-13 11:03:20] indelibleTrade : hi can mitMex staff point towards more information about mark price and how live positions are affected by it... like does liquidation happen at liquid price < mark price or liquid < bitmex price
[2017-02-13 11:03:38] indelibleTrade : *bitMex
[2017-02-13 11:04:35] j8 : mark price is used for liquidations
[2017-02-13 11:04:49] ayy_lmao : https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradingOverview
[2017-02-13 11:04:54] ayy_lmao : everything you need to know is in there
[2017-02-13 11:04:56] l3f : 64% of okc gamblers think down tomorrow
[2017-02-13 11:05:22] l3f : That's all the proprietary info I have now
[2017-02-13 11:05:22] hobolowbo : so are we thinking a retrace to 1K or going down?
[2017-02-13 11:05:49] l3f : aethlios: well btc looks like it's about to shit the bed
[2017-02-13 11:07:06] aethlios : l3f: yes doesn't look good, market divided to spot super bullish and futures bearish, futures bearish after 300 usd up trend.
[2017-02-13 11:07:36] l3f : aethlios: I just want to know what in the every loving fuck is stamp doing
[2017-02-13 11:11:56] l3f : bg5: 980's here
[2017-02-13 11:14:06] Ugly_Old_Goat : After this payday shorts will pay longs. Look for market to continue up up up
[2017-02-13 11:14:34] Ugly_Old_Goat : There is your 980 if you want it . I don't
[2017-02-13 11:15:19] Ahhere : whewww
[2017-02-13 11:15:30] Ahhere : okcoin bullish?
[2017-02-13 11:15:55] Ugly_Old_Goat : I am going to bed and expect market to be wel ovder 1000 when I wake up
[2017-02-13 11:16:14] Ahhere : Ugly_Old_Goat: if it dips ill market buy a few kilocoins for you
[2017-02-13 11:16:25] Ahhere : <3
[2017-02-13 11:16:58] Ugly_Old_Goat : Good luck, we already dipped
[2017-02-13 11:17:13] Ahhere : ready for all eventualities
[2017-02-13 11:18:22] Ugly_Old_Goat : If you did not buy the dip your are now stuck chasing the market and buying the rally. I think its good but, I don' trade that way. My boat is loaded and looking to give some back higher, much higher
[2017-02-13 11:18:54] Ahhere : Ugly_Old_Goat: lowered my entry by 15$
[2017-02-13 11:19:42] Ugly_Old_Goat : Ahhere: Yup, You must trade with deep pockets. I noticed they cliipped everyone again in china on the quaterly
[2017-02-13 11:19:50] JT : can't believe this thing went to 950 while i was sleeping
[2017-02-13 11:20:07] JT : oh wait, it's bitcoin
[2017-02-13 11:20:09] Ahhere : ok retraced
[2017-02-13 11:20:32] Ugly_Old_Goat : Ahhere: Doubt you will get it. This market does not look like it will break much more than a cunt hair
[2017-02-13 11:20:53] Ahhere : Ugly_Old_Goat: get what?
[2017-02-13 11:21:28] Ugly_Old_Goat : Thought you wanted to buy a 15 break
[2017-02-13 11:21:45] Ahhere : no i already lowered my long's entry by 15$
[2017-02-13 11:21:52] Ahhere : in the dip
[2017-02-13 11:24:16] Derreck : moon!
[2017-02-13 11:25:35] Ugly_Old_Goat : Ahhere: Ok, II think I see what you mean. I actually am my entry and my average was 805, and will all my buying and selling it is now 911. When I bot this dip it actaully raaisedd my average
[2017-02-13 11:25:57] Ugly_Old_Goat : But the n also makde a nice profit on my short
[2017-02-13 11:26:02] arbitrage101 : reversal was quick
[2017-02-13 11:26:12] arbitrage101 : took a dump and price went up 20 dollars
[2017-02-13 11:26:15] Ugly_Old_Goat : arbitrage101: yiup
[2017-02-13 11:26:29] micmix : arbitrage101: west is getting disconnected from the east
[2017-02-13 11:26:31] Ahhere : china getting less scary by the dump
[2017-02-13 11:26:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : Next one will be a flash
[2017-02-13 11:27:21] arbitrage101 : think there are way too much money in the system now to allow low price
[2017-02-13 11:27:28] rullwull : micmix: because west havent been affected by chinese problems
[2017-02-13 11:27:40] Ugly_Old_Goat : You need to have your orders in next time cause will will list like 30 minutes, The market is fundamentally chaniging
[2017-02-13 11:28:03] Ugly_Old_Goat : Too many use scenarios on the horizone
[2017-02-13 11:28:15] Ugly_Old_Goat : Working on some mysellf
[2017-02-13 11:29:06] Ugly_Old_Goat : This year could be a very happy surprise for bitcoiners
[2017-02-13 11:29:14] Ahhere : happy ending?
[2017-02-13 11:29:49] mahouni : haha
[2017-02-13 11:30:00] mahouni : bliss
[2017-02-13 11:30:05] Ugly_Old_Goat : Never go naked short this thing, simply sell for profitt, and hedging but keep your core
[2017-02-13 11:30:40] mahouni : lol naked short is best short. Never go leveraged long
[2017-02-13 11:31:13] Ahhere : mahouni: to be fair naked anything sounds better. naked coffee naked tennis naked short naked sky news
[2017-02-13 11:31:35] Ahhere : leveraged coffee just sounds gross
[2017-02-13 11:31:35] mahouni : Ahhere: Yes, im a simple man
[2017-02-13 11:33:01] Ugly_Old_Goat : That was the dip, Did you catch it?
[2017-02-13 11:33:10] l3f : Ugly_Old_Goat: Lol real dip coming
[2017-02-13 11:33:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 48000 @ 6585.7
[2017-02-13 11:33:24] Ugly_Old_Goat : Don't think so
[2017-02-13 11:33:36] Ugly_Old_Goat : You are looking at it
[2017-02-13 11:33:54] l3f : Ugly_Old_Goat: adding to short, sorry
[2017-02-13 11:34:06] mahouni : That was bitstamp dumping some
[2017-02-13 11:34:23] mahouni : not the real dump. Here it just reflexes the upcoming funding
[2017-02-13 11:36:02] Ugly_Old_Goat : mahouni: Agreed but that was the dip, If you sell into this you are stepping in deep dodo
[2017-02-13 11:37:11] i3 : it will pump hard now
[2017-02-13 11:37:13] bingbongfly : Ugly_Old_Goat: I just sold into this, whatcu gonna do bout it
[2017-02-13 11:37:16] mahouni : You need to go through dodo to get the golden nuggets u know
[2017-02-13 11:37:23] bingbongfly : i3: typical my luck x)
[2017-02-13 11:37:39] bingbongfly : feels good to take profit and not be in a position however, ah man so relaxing
[2017-02-13 11:38:16] bingbongfly : I had a short from 990, set buys at 960 for close + 50% long. Wake up to this
[2017-02-13 11:38:21] bingbongfly : Amazing <3
[2017-02-13 11:38:51] mahouni : My buys are at 880 aint fuckin moving
[2017-02-13 11:38:55] Ugly_Old_Goat : bingbongfly: That is what makes a market. Hope it works for you. I am a buyer again if we make new lows
[2017-02-13 11:38:56] bingbongfly : I'm gonna buy myself something nice, good luck today traders
[2017-02-13 11:39:12] bingbongfly : Ugly_Old_Goat: yea, I'm gonna step away for a while, I'll be back. :) Good luck
[2017-02-13 11:40:25] Ahhere : bingbongfly: well done enjoy
[2017-02-13 11:42:41] Ugly_Old_Goat : You need to look at Kraken. It should take out 947 and rip. NHi2Yay57486gkd/ItQmHk8ueBeL9d8YNA1mUQQmxwc=
[2017-02-13 11:44:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECH17`: sell 80 @ 0.028900
[2017-02-13 11:46:21] j8 : only 30 bucks for a ZEC? cool
[2017-02-13 11:47:00] mahouni : I feel bad for ZEC bagholders
[2017-02-13 11:47:09] Dynamix : Fuck should've kept my limits for btc ;|
[2017-02-13 11:47:17] j8 : i don't
[2017-02-13 11:47:25] mahouni : me neither hehe
[2017-02-13 11:47:40] j8 : :)
[2017-02-13 11:48:49] micmix : I'm going to buy me some ZEC. I think the pump is coming when they announce integration with ETH
[2017-02-13 11:49:07] j8 : is that a thing?
[2017-02-13 11:49:17] Diplomata : guys..we can change the leverage after long or short?
[2017-02-13 11:50:04] mahouni : Any other ideas for signals for a pump scenario on Zec? Might be interested in gambling
[2017-02-13 11:51:08] micmix : yeah, I saw it mentioned couple of times by devs: https://blog.ethereum.org/2017/01/19/update-integrating-zcash-ethereum/
[2017-02-13 11:51:35] mahouni : seems like nonsense
[2017-02-13 11:53:51] j8 : interesting
[2017-02-13 11:54:07] j8 : even if it is nonsense
[2017-02-13 11:55:36] l3f : mahouni: wait for 0200
[2017-02-13 11:56:06] mahouni : l3f: yea seems like good idea
[2017-02-13 11:56:09] Dynamix : Price gonna go up to 1k again , maybe break it
[2017-02-13 11:56:13] rullwull : zec classic?)))
[2017-02-13 11:56:19] i3 : Dynamix: today u think ?
[2017-02-13 11:56:34] Dynamix : i3: Why not ? Lol, its already more than 50% up of todays dump :P
[2017-02-13 11:56:46] Dynamix : Should've kept my limits until 960 :@
[2017-02-13 11:56:49] i3 : i agree with you but i think we won't pass 1k today
[2017-02-13 11:57:02] i3 : around 990/995 like previous weekend
[2017-02-13 11:59:06] Dynamix : i3: Nah... We will cny will pump like shit ,
[2017-02-13 11:59:18] Dynamix : my entry price is 993 ffs ;| better get back up there lol
[2017-02-13 11:59:21] rapidtrades : PAYDAY
[2017-02-13 11:59:30] rapidtrades : PAYDAY IMMINENT
[2017-02-13 11:59:35] loomdart : rapid trades
[2017-02-13 11:59:35] loomdart : wtf
[2017-02-13 11:59:37] Dynamix : rapidtrades: Myh.. where payday ?
[2017-02-13 11:59:40] loomdart : why aren't we at 800 yet
[2017-02-13 11:59:43] loomdart : scammer
[2017-02-13 11:59:50] loomdart : I want a refund
[2017-02-13 11:59:50] i3 : Dynamix: entry long 993 ? how did u ?
[2017-02-13 11:59:53] Dynamix : 5 min cloud on bfx gone
[2017-02-13 12:00:01] loomdart : 5 min cloud lmao
[2017-02-13 12:00:05] rapidtrades : SWEEEET
[2017-02-13 12:00:08] loomdart : 1 min rsi indicating ultimate downmove!!!!
[2017-02-13 12:00:11] Dynamix : i3: From last night man .... I used the Close position and it closed all my limit orders
[2017-02-13 12:00:19] Dynamix : down till 960 :@
[2017-02-13 12:00:22] i3 : T.T
[2017-02-13 12:00:24] Dynamix : Fucking bitmex
[2017-02-13 12:00:35] jphamer1 : what the hell i was charged for my long?
[2017-02-13 12:00:46] ayy_lmao : of course
[2017-02-13 12:00:50] Dynamix : jphamer1: Yup, you get charged a fee lol
[2017-02-13 12:00:52] chromaticcr1 : lol
[2017-02-13 12:00:58] ayy_lmao : nobody reads the documentation here
[2017-02-13 12:01:16] jphamer1 : yesterday i made money on my long I'm sure
[2017-02-13 12:01:18] chromaticcr1 : that is a funding rate
[2017-02-13 12:01:29] ayy_lmao : funding rate changes
[2017-02-13 12:01:35] ayy_lmao : from positive to negative
[2017-02-13 12:02:07] Dynamix : wtf so many fees on this shit haha
[2017-02-13 12:02:08] Dynamix : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2017-02-13 12:02:09] chromaticcr1 : negative, short pays long positive, long pays short. Bitmex doesnt take a cut
[2017-02-13 12:02:10] Dynamix : :|
[2017-02-13 12:02:22] Dynamix : Gonna have to reffer myself fk it lol
[2017-02-13 12:02:29] ayy_lmao : you can always trade quarter contract
[2017-02-13 12:02:32] ayy_lmao : no funding there
[2017-02-13 12:02:46] Dynamix : ayy_lmao: Yh I did but still... Closed that too early too
[2017-02-13 12:02:56] chromaticcr1 : but the premium is... volatile
[2017-02-13 12:03:12] ayy_lmao : you don't like volatility?
[2017-02-13 12:03:13] Dynamix : atleast I did some hedging
[2017-02-13 12:03:17] Dynamix : with this shit
[2017-02-13 12:03:22] Dynamix : Volatility is bae man <3
[2017-02-13 12:04:45] Dynamix : Going upp on monday <3
[2017-02-13 12:04:50] ayy_lmao : man cryptowatch is so slow
[2017-02-13 12:04:52] Dynamix : This week will be longing time
[2017-02-13 12:06:01] i3 : for sure
[2017-02-13 12:12:48] jonny : now, to break confidence, which of the biggest 10 bitcoin exchanges will be hacked ?
[2017-02-13 12:13:55] arbitrage101 : okc and bfx
[2017-02-13 12:13:56] j8 : gemini.. well maybe it's not in the top 10 but it would be hilarious
[2017-02-13 12:16:35] Dynamix : jonny: Bitmex heheh
[2017-02-13 12:18:25] jonny : Dynamix: dont the gamblers need to be nurtured some longer?
[2017-02-13 12:18:51] Dynamix : jonny: Maybe ;)
[2017-02-13 12:19:45] Tetsuo : jonny: i would bet on okcoin and huobi
[2017-02-13 12:20:11] Tetsuo : not hacked but acually running fractional reserve and getting shutdown by the PBOC
[2017-02-13 12:26:34] micmix : j8: hope not gemini, I'm a big fan of their auctions
[2017-02-13 12:29:16] j8 : oh yeah i like the idea too, are you a regular participant?
[2017-02-13 12:31:21] micmix : yeah, I convert coins to USD that way if I need to convert 10 or more
[2017-02-13 12:41:29] rapidtrades : WHY?
[2017-02-13 12:43:15] i3 : still 22 spread on swap & future Mkt price
[2017-02-13 12:57:50] Ahhere : stamp 997
[2017-02-13 12:59:32] MikeHunt : Stamp rly luvs 1k
[2017-02-13 13:00:19] Ahhere : i no rite?
[2017-02-13 13:00:32] Dynamix : we will get to 1k real soon heh
[2017-02-13 13:00:37] MikeHunt : Its like the family pet that catches rabies, u love it but u know u gotta take it out bk and 12 gauge it
[2017-02-13 13:04:55] loomdart : lol
[2017-02-13 13:05:00] i3 : Monday pumping ~
[2017-02-13 13:05:00] loomdart : bitstamp is a bitcoin exchange
[2017-02-13 13:05:06] loomdart : if people want to buy bitcoin they buy bitcoin
[2017-02-13 13:05:07] loomdart : that raises the price
[2017-02-13 13:05:09] loomdart : it's pretty simple
[2017-02-13 13:05:15] loomdart : bitstamp is just a medium of exchange
[2017-02-13 13:05:18] loomdart : nothing else
[2017-02-13 13:07:06] maurris : BITMEX symbols don't work anymore on TradingView?
[2017-02-13 13:10:42] BitMEX_Wally : maurris: Looks like they have dropped us. Do you have any way of contacting them?
[2017-02-13 13:13:01] ayy_lmao : can you even short on bitstamp
[2017-02-13 13:13:46] ayy_lmao : magnr i guess
[2017-02-13 13:13:50] ayy_lmao : used to be btc.sx
[2017-02-13 13:15:16] maurris : BitMEX_Wally: I just contacted them with their online form about that issue. By the way, do you know if it's possible to chart .XBT Index on TradingView? Only manage to get BITMEX:XBTUSD working
[2017-02-13 13:17:36] BitMEX_Wally : maurris: We implemented UDF API support for TradingView, which has all instruments. Not sure if they are using it: https://www.bitmex.com/app/apiOverview#UDF-API
[2017-02-13 13:31:44] -_- : 20,583 BTC short on Bitfinex
[2017-02-13 13:35:05] i3 : bitstamp 998
[2017-02-13 13:35:13] ross : -_-: 15mins ago and we still climbing
[2017-02-13 13:36:18] -_- : glad to see more performance improvements. hopefully that eliminates all lag. next time we get massive amount of margin calls and large movements i'll see how this site holds up
[2017-02-13 13:36:34] jung1 : short time?
[2017-02-13 13:37:00] i3 : fake
[2017-02-13 13:38:49] jung1 : finex seems bullish
[2017-02-13 13:38:57] -_- : 1000 stamp
[2017-02-13 13:39:09] Ahhere : jung1: hell okcoin is bullish
[2017-02-13 13:39:34] Ahhere : maybe the market is immunised against pboc scares now?
[2017-02-13 13:40:06] jung1 : hmm
[2017-02-13 13:44:36] jung1 : shorts on finex climbed by 1% in 5min
[2017-02-13 13:45:35] jung1 : 1,5%
[2017-02-13 13:46:04] jung1 : 2,1%
[2017-02-13 13:49:29] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Wally: is there a way to slow down updates to reduce lag
[2017-02-13 13:49:43] MikeHunt : ?
[2017-02-13 13:50:41] thomaskikansha : 20.5K shorts on btc
[2017-02-13 13:51:03] herpinator : liking new updates great job as usual
[2017-02-13 13:54:25] MikeHunt : herpinator: its run by bankers not hermit craps like finex
[2017-02-13 13:55:02] herpinator : MikeHunt: hahaha
[2017-02-13 13:57:30] bigpapa : what are people attributing the bearish activity for?
[2017-02-13 13:57:32] bigpapa : China?
[2017-02-13 14:00:23] -_- : yeah
[2017-02-13 14:00:35] bigpapa : fuckers
[2017-02-13 14:00:38] -_- : not a lot of details being released from the market leaders
[2017-02-13 14:00:52] bigpapa : f*uckers
[2017-02-13 14:01:01] -_- : are things worse than they appear. when withdraws are enabled will the requirements be batshit crazy
[2017-02-13 14:01:39] -_- : will china whales market sell on every exchange because they know the price wont stay up once ETF is denied
[2017-02-13 14:01:53] MikeHunt : we dont know what the AML/KYC in china will be like yet
[2017-02-13 14:01:57] MikeHunt : rumour is withdrawal limits
[2017-02-13 14:02:04] MikeHunt : (capital controls)
[2017-02-13 14:02:09] bigpapa : no surprise
[2017-02-13 14:02:25] -_- : bitfinex had 20,000 BTC in longs close and then a bunch of shorts open
[2017-02-13 14:02:34] -_- : okco1n quarterly down and staying down like never before seen
[2017-02-13 14:02:35] bigpapa : really?
[2017-02-13 14:02:41] MikeHunt : so assuming capital controls, another dump
[2017-02-13 14:02:48] MikeHunt : puts us near 700-800 support
[2017-02-13 14:02:52] MikeHunt : then etf failure...
[2017-02-13 14:02:55] MikeHunt : lol
[2017-02-13 14:03:10] -_- : then coinbase / IRS announce plans to audit every single customer
[2017-02-13 14:03:13] MikeHunt : yup
[2017-02-13 14:03:19] -_- : circle too
[2017-02-13 14:03:26] MikeHunt : 2014 all over again
[2017-02-13 14:03:38] -_- : then regulators finally get around to looking into what Bitfinex did
[2017-02-13 14:03:44] rapidtrades : I have suspicion that we're not getting the whole story here
[2017-02-13 14:03:59] rapidtrades : stopping withdrawals completely for AML makes no sence whatsoever
[2017-02-13 14:04:03] -_- : and Bitfinex gets a huge fine and some other shit
[2017-02-13 14:04:04] bigpapa : irs don't have the resources to audit everyone
[2017-02-13 14:04:07] rapidtrades : for 1 f*Cking month
[2017-02-13 14:04:47] MikeHunt : bigpapa: well they can make em come to them
[2017-02-13 14:05:00] MikeHunt : give bitcoiners an ultimatum then begin long slow process of fuckery
[2017-02-13 14:05:09] rapidtrades : if bitfinex gets finex, tokens crash, bitcoin crashes with it
[2017-02-13 14:05:17] rapidtrades : fined*
[2017-02-13 14:05:29] MikeHunt : loads of money 4 me if that happens
[2017-02-13 14:05:40] MikeHunt : we got to 400 and i can annoy sledger for enternity
[2017-02-13 14:05:53] bigpapa : i am not too worried about the IRS
[2017-02-13 14:06:31] bigpapa : it's all smoke & mirrors
[2017-02-13 14:07:02] MikeHunt : anyone that traded 4 profit on coinbase and didnt file
[2017-02-13 14:07:06] rapidtrades : MikeHunt: yeah im a bit surprised that sleger is so bullish
[2017-02-13 14:07:18] rapidtrades : but then again the man was bullish on ETH too
[2017-02-13 14:07:29] rapidtrades : so he's not infallible :)
[2017-02-13 14:08:15] MikeHunt : sledger makes his money by reacting quickly iirc
[2017-02-13 14:08:24] MikeHunt : he does HFT afterall
[2017-02-13 14:08:35] rapidtrades : makes sense
[2017-02-13 14:08:57] rapidtrades : etf should be easy money, whatever the decision
[2017-02-13 14:09:12] bigpapa : ETF will be a fun trading day
[2017-02-13 14:09:13] rapidtrades : cos markets are slow to react here
[2017-02-13 14:09:39] rapidtrades : so if we sleep in this chat 24/7 we should make some easy $$$
[2017-02-13 14:09:48] rapidtrades : some day between now and mar 10
[2017-02-13 14:11:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 1200 @ 966.52
[2017-02-13 14:11:26] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: i think only way it will pass is if trumps team has an input
[2017-02-13 14:12:46] rapidtrades : i don't think Trumps team is particularly bitcoin friendly, altho some ppl in his administration are
[2017-02-13 14:12:54] rapidtrades : Trum.p
[2017-02-13 14:12:59] rapidtrades : FREE TRUM.P
[2017-02-13 14:13:11] -_- : trump has rich buddies who wouldnt be happy if bitcoin etf approval makes them poorer
[2017-02-13 14:13:27] -_- : i'm sure trump wont be happy either unless he is already in
[2017-02-13 14:13:38] -_- : that's all trump has to do. get him and his buddies some BTC
[2017-02-13 14:14:28] jung1 : finex go down
[2017-02-13 14:14:34] MikeHunt : for willy twins the etf is a no loss really
[2017-02-13 14:14:47] rapidtrades : march back at depression levels
[2017-02-13 14:14:56] ThruTheFloor : I dont think Trump has ever even heard of bitcoin. Mulvaney otoh...
[2017-02-13 14:14:57] jung1 : hope so!
[2017-02-13 14:15:30] MikeHunt : trump is more concerned about the softness of towels on airforce 1
[2017-02-13 14:15:31] rapidtrades : march gives 16% annualized to longers
[2017-02-13 14:15:34] rapidtrades : crazy
[2017-02-13 14:15:57] arbitrage101 : rapidtrades: y
[2017-02-13 14:16:01] arbitrage101 : yes
[2017-02-13 14:16:06] arbitrage101 : and i am shorting more
[2017-02-13 14:16:17] jung1 : from now?
[2017-02-13 14:16:19] arbitrage101 : which make me an idiot, right?
[2017-02-13 14:16:34] rullwull : Buy march
[2017-02-13 14:16:51] rullwull : Good discount
[2017-02-13 14:17:09] arbitrage101 : all pricing is relative
[2017-02-13 14:17:16] laisee : sell perp, buy mar ... free moolah
[2017-02-13 14:17:18] arbitrage101 : discount to where?
[2017-02-13 14:17:33] rapidtrades : to index brah
[2017-02-13 14:17:44] rullwull : To spot
[2017-02-13 14:17:54] arbitrage101 : which spot?
[2017-02-13 14:17:59] arbitrage101 : there are so many spots
[2017-02-13 14:18:01] rapidtrades : ur mum's spot
[2017-02-13 14:18:05] rapidtrades : what about thm apples
[2017-02-13 14:18:06] arbitrage101 : left, right ,middle
[2017-02-13 14:18:06] MikeHunt : usually i'd wait for h17 to come up a bit
[2017-02-13 14:18:13] rapidtrades : don't be a smartass arb101
[2017-02-13 14:18:28] arbitrage101 : sorry
[2017-02-13 14:18:28] rullwull : but march sell spot, esp OKc march
[2017-02-13 14:18:28] MikeHunt : arbitrage101: he means swap
[2017-02-13 14:18:49] jung1 : stamp 92
[2017-02-13 14:18:56] rullwull : I mean real spot bfx or stamp
[2017-02-13 14:18:57] rapidtrades : u can buy okc march but ur taking on counter-party risk
[2017-02-13 14:19:15] MikeHunt : wouldnt touch china personally
[2017-02-13 14:19:17] rapidtrades : keep in mind funds will be locked until friday
[2017-02-13 14:19:25] arbitrage101 : when potential profit is a lot higher than counter party risk
[2017-02-13 14:19:30] arbitrage101 : then it is worth taking
[2017-02-13 14:19:43] rapidtrades : im not sure if the risk of okc insolvency is <9%
[2017-02-13 14:19:54] arbitrage101 : then you should take same position
[2017-02-13 14:20:08] arbitrage101 : opps, read it wrong
[2017-02-13 14:20:14] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: they have an official counter? lol
[2017-02-13 14:20:30] rapidtrades : it just trades shady as f*ck
[2017-02-13 14:20:41] arbitrage101 : take reverse position then
[2017-02-13 14:20:52] rapidtrades : i kinda am by being short here
[2017-02-13 14:21:09] rapidtrades : we're 50% okc
[2017-02-13 14:21:42] arbitrage101 : shorting swap here is really bad idea
[2017-02-13 14:22:15] MikeHunt : arbitrage101: can be good sometimes
[2017-02-13 14:22:21] rullwull : Agree, perp may be short later when price spikes and funding fee is positive
[2017-02-13 14:22:39] MikeHunt : perp is good for short term stuff with high lvg
[2017-02-13 14:23:06] rapidtrades : rullwull: don't call it perp, sounds so guilty
[2017-02-13 14:23:08] rapidtrades : call it swap
[2017-02-13 14:23:18] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: purp
[2017-02-13 14:23:26] rapidtrades : poor swap
[2017-02-13 14:23:33] rullwull : As u wish) @rapidtrades
[2017-02-13 14:23:35] rapidtrades : its name dragged through the mud
[2017-02-13 14:23:50] MikeHunt : i swap-ed the name
[2017-02-13 14:25:08] cryptokeeper : that was such a nice dump and payday a few hrs ago
[2017-02-13 14:25:17] cryptokeeper : wooo... many of you were expecting some pumps
[2017-02-13 14:26:37] MikeHunt : cryptokeeper: papou said long at 1006
[2017-02-13 14:26:48] cryptokeeper : ya i know
[2017-02-13 14:26:50] MikeHunt : im currently designing his tombstone
[2017-02-13 14:26:54] cryptokeeper : he said that around 2.5hrs before the dump
[2017-02-13 14:27:30] l3f : rapidtrades: are you long or short rapid?
[2017-02-13 14:27:34] y1uy : haha yeah
[2017-02-13 14:27:38] l3f : perma short?
[2017-02-13 14:28:31] MikeHunt : 50x short, play bra
[2017-02-13 14:28:35] y1uy : cryptokeeper: you think we'll continue down?
[2017-02-13 14:29:05] cryptokeeper : after i closed my short upon payday i thought it was going to go up a bit
[2017-02-13 14:29:10] cryptokeeper : i need to take a look at some more charts
[2017-02-13 14:29:13] rullwull : There was guy who was blaming on negative funding fee right before the dump and got rekt for more than 400K contracts
[2017-02-13 14:29:25] Ahhere : rullwull: ow
[2017-02-13 14:29:27] cryptokeeper : 400k contracts?
[2017-02-13 14:29:29] cryptokeeper : hahaha
[2017-02-13 14:29:33] cryptokeeper : MEGA REKT
[2017-02-13 14:29:44] MikeHunt : cryptokeeper: where?
[2017-02-13 14:29:53] cryptokeeper : ^^^
[2017-02-13 14:29:55] MikeHunt : o right
[2017-02-13 14:29:58] MikeHunt : fukin lag
[2017-02-13 14:30:13] rullwull : He said he lost 16,5 btc
[2017-02-13 14:30:33] MikeHunt : must have been high lvg
[2017-02-13 14:30:43] MikeHunt : noob
[2017-02-13 14:30:50] cryptokeeper : rullwull: ouchy... especially at these prices :P
[2017-02-13 14:31:06] rullwull : Late long
[2017-02-13 14:31:07] MikeHunt : if u gonna do insane lvg u have to be insanely careful
[2017-02-13 14:31:16] rullwull : and high lev
[2017-02-13 14:31:21] -_- : yeah dont want to make a 3% move wipe you out
[2017-02-13 14:31:40] MikeHunt : if i do 50x long bottom im doing it in small chunks on drops
[2017-02-13 14:31:50] -_- : by the time you wanna get out you dump the price $20 and get margin called a second later on the rest
[2017-02-13 14:31:55] rullwull : there is no better strategy for last 1,5 year than buy the dips
[2017-02-13 14:32:10] MikeHunt : rullwull: problem is that was chinas bubble, and china is x.x dead
[2017-02-13 14:32:27] -_- : bitcoin is a deadman walking