This is a mirror of the original BitMEX trollbox archive that used to be online here.
BitMEX disabled their archive after the DDOS attack so I have decided to make my mirror publicly available.

Well now, a few days after I made this mirror available to the public, the original archive from BitMEX is online again.
But since it is still limited (neutered to the last few hundred messages) I will keep my FULL mirror alive.

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[2017-02-13 00:22:36] Dynamix : havent u seen fb ads products ?
[2017-02-13 00:22:40] Dynamix : with 1-2k Likes ? :P
[2017-02-13 00:22:41] sleger : you "can" so why dont you
[2017-02-13 00:22:44] Dynamix : they are banking hard
[2017-02-13 00:22:51] Dynamix : Just stfu couse I am haha
[2017-02-13 00:23:07] sleger : doesnt seem like it
[2017-02-13 00:23:14] Dynamix : sleger: What do you do then ? ;)
[2017-02-13 00:23:24] sleger : i trade
[2017-02-13 00:23:29] rapidtrades : he just said he made 200 pounds total
[2017-02-13 00:23:32] Dynamix : Trading gets boorign af
[2017-02-13 00:23:50] sleger : i manage a portfolio of hft
[2017-02-13 00:23:50] Dynamix : rapidtrades: Yeah around that, but going to scale once I get more $$$ :P
[2017-02-13 00:23:54] sleger : not boring no
[2017-02-13 00:24:12] Dynamix : Oh , fair enough ... For me trading gets booring af sometimes just watching charts and numbers
[2017-02-13 00:24:27] Dynamix : eye can get fucked
[2017-02-13 00:24:32] Dynamix : eyes*
[2017-02-13 00:25:21] sleger : 200 pounds for a few days/weeks worth of work
[2017-02-13 00:25:24] sleger : good luck....
[2017-02-13 00:25:31] sleger : hope you dont eat too much
[2017-02-13 00:25:40] rapidtrades : 90% of the time trading is boring for me
[2017-02-13 00:25:48] rapidtrades : but i guess that's true for very job
[2017-02-13 00:26:15] rapidtrades : every*
[2017-02-13 00:26:45] MikeHunt : maintaining HFT's could be fun thou
[2017-02-13 00:26:50] MikeHunt : constantly tweaking to make em better
[2017-02-13 00:26:59] rapidtrades : my goal is to automate everything this year
[2017-02-13 00:27:23] sleger : you said the same 6-9 months ago ? how much progress you made ?
[2017-02-13 00:27:36] rapidtrades : im at half
[2017-02-13 00:27:46] sleger : you installed python ?
[2017-02-13 00:27:56] rapidtrades : learning python takes a lot more time then expected
[2017-02-13 00:28:06] rapidtrades : sleger: yes ofc
[2017-02-13 00:28:26] sleger : thought that was your half mark
[2017-02-13 00:28:43] rapidtrades : half of that book
[2017-02-13 00:29:13] sleger : you should go ahead and learn on the go
[2017-02-13 00:29:26] MikeHunt : sleger: +1
[2017-02-13 00:29:45] MikeHunt : i learnt far more making my first game than just following tutorials
[2017-02-13 00:30:44] rapidtrades : problem is googling for answers only gets us so far
[2017-02-13 00:31:16] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: what u trying to do?
[2017-02-13 00:33:04] rapidtrades : few things...first automate by current systems two create mm bots and see how that does three create some algos for backtesting and collecting data
[2017-02-13 00:34:20] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: u tried getting a sample bot to play with?
[2017-02-13 00:34:54] rapidtrades : yes i got it, still grappling with that the code does
[2017-02-13 00:35:15] rapidtrades : i wasn't that far in the book :)
[2017-02-13 00:36:12] rapidtrades : googleing is not very useful when u don't have the basics down i think
[2017-02-13 00:36:47] MikeHunt : im thinking about making a total command station in C#
[2017-02-13 00:37:15] MikeHunt : more automation
[2017-02-13 00:37:17] micmix : yeah, you have to understand at least variables, assignments, if/else and loops before google helps
[2017-02-13 00:37:22] MikeHunt : scanning news feedsfor blackswans etc.
[2017-02-13 00:37:42] micmix : oh, and functions with parameters
[2017-02-13 00:38:03] MikeHunt : learning programming is brutal but once u know 1 decent one ur set 4 life
[2017-02-13 00:38:38] rapidtrades : micmix: I've got everything down but assignments
[2017-02-13 00:39:15] sleger : rapidtrades: collecting market data should be your first objective
[2017-02-13 00:40:53] rapidtrades : sleger: so I have some by the time I finish the basics?
[2017-02-13 00:41:09] sleger : to start collecting data
[2017-02-13 00:41:27] sleger : you will never be able to run backtests before the time you start collecting data, unless you trust someone elses data
[2017-02-13 00:41:38] rapidtrades : right
[2017-02-13 00:41:49] rapidtrades : that's a good tip
[2017-02-13 00:41:53] MikeHunt : yarp
[2017-02-13 00:43:24] rapidtrades : i only need data for bitcoin sites because for forex and others I plan to stay on longer tfs
[2017-02-13 00:44:24] MikeHunt : u could try pinching data from charts
[2017-02-13 00:45:29] j8 : you can get historical trade data from most exchanges api, but not orderbook data
[2017-02-13 00:46:08] Dynamix : We going upp <3
[2017-02-13 00:46:45] rapidtrades : so what do i need for this....a bot to access the API and collect the data/
[2017-02-13 00:47:06] rapidtrades : how big is it gonna be? do i need to rent storage
[2017-02-13 00:47:18] Sultan Pepper : Dynamix: yep, a little. Then down a little. Then up a little. Then down a little
[2017-02-13 00:47:56] Dynamix : Sultan Pepper: myhh
[2017-02-13 00:48:08] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: depends how much u wanna collect
[2017-02-13 00:48:33] MikeHunt : u could potentially stream it to save space
[2017-02-13 00:48:50] MikeHunt : for whats available via API
[2017-02-13 00:48:54] rapidtrades : idk u tell me, how much data do i need for backtesting mm bots
[2017-02-13 00:49:44] rapidtrades : I have to record the orderbook every few sec i imagine
[2017-02-13 00:50:30] MikeHunt : once u know the number of characters and the time interval
[2017-02-13 00:50:33] MikeHunt : ull have a good idea of how much
[2017-02-13 00:51:00] rapidtrades : ok guess i gotta make the bot first then worry about storage
[2017-02-13 00:51:06] j8 : mm is probably a lot harder to backtest than other strategies, because yeah you need orderbook data and it's hard to ignore the effect of your orders
[2017-02-13 00:51:22] rapidtrades : exact
[2017-02-13 00:51:58] Adriana : Looks like the Chinese are mass migrating to BTC-E. It has more volume than finex now
[2017-02-13 00:52:20] rapidtrades : are u sure that's not from betting
[2017-02-13 00:53:10] rapidtrades : they introduced betting today and ppl are manipulating the market so they win their bets
[2017-02-13 00:54:38] MikeHunt : i'd like to see more bets here
[2017-02-13 00:54:52] MikeHunt : especially regarding political stuff
[2017-02-13 00:55:07] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: https://www.wealth-lab.com/Forum/Posts/Hard-drive-size-requirements-for-backtesting-on-large-data-sets-31375
[2017-02-13 00:55:23] sleger : rapidtrades: for btc if you have 1tb you're set for a while
[2017-02-13 00:55:29] rapidtrades : are there any free bots for scrapping data I can take a look at
[2017-02-13 00:55:33] sleger : storage NOT an issue
[2017-02-13 00:56:03] rapidtrades : i don't but it won't cost much to rent that or buy a portable hd
[2017-02-13 00:56:43] sleger : i didnt think you'd have a ssd
[2017-02-13 00:57:27] rapidtrades : oh....do i need an ssd?
[2017-02-13 00:57:55] j8 : no
[2017-02-13 00:58:00] sleger : no
[2017-02-13 00:58:17] sleger : but how is it possible to NOT have a ssd AND not 1tb ??
[2017-02-13 00:58:35] rapidtrades : how? i have a small portable laptop that's how
[2017-02-13 00:58:45] sleger : from the 90s
[2017-02-13 00:58:55] sleger : thats why bitmex is slow for you
[2017-02-13 00:59:06] rapidtrades : its slow for a lot of ppl
[2017-02-13 00:59:13] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: does ur laptop have a removable disk drive?
[2017-02-13 00:59:16] sleger : only seen you complain
[2017-02-13 00:59:23] j8 : i complained too
[2017-02-13 00:59:39] j8 : and then sam got me to send him a javascript cpu profile
[2017-02-13 00:59:39] sleger : still ?
[2017-02-13 00:59:44] rapidtrades : this is like the 2nd worst site in terms of slowness
[2017-02-13 00:59:53] rapidtrades : after bitfinex
[2017-02-13 00:59:56] j8 : and there are optimizations coming soon (tm)
[2017-02-13 00:59:57] sleger : it used to use a lot of cpu
[2017-02-13 01:00:04] sleger : but never slow unless liq were happening
[2017-02-13 01:00:10] sleger : but that was the engine, not the site
[2017-02-13 01:00:16] sleger : it's always been fast for me
[2017-02-13 01:00:25] sleger : on a macbook pro i7
[2017-02-13 01:00:30] Sultan Pepper : Overclock that bish!
[2017-02-13 01:00:44] j8 : it was fine and then recently it was really bad. now it seems possibly better
[2017-02-13 01:00:53] Sultan Pepper : i5 running at 4.8ghz here
[2017-02-13 01:01:10] rapidtrades : it's just bad choise from the get go, u can't use web browsers for trading
[2017-02-13 01:01:25] sleger : i use chome and macos obv
[2017-02-13 01:01:30] rapidtrades : it has to be standalone client
[2017-02-13 01:01:32] sleger : no issue
[2017-02-13 01:01:38] j8 : i agree, i will be trading browser free soon
[2017-02-13 01:01:39] Adriana : rapidtrades: one of the possible reasons. But I think BTC-E is a pretty logical choice for a migration. One of the shadiest and simultaneously repute exchanges
[2017-02-13 01:01:49] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: whats ur laptop make/model?
[2017-02-13 01:02:03] sleger : but even on win7 chrome no issue
[2017-02-13 01:02:27] rapidtrades : i7 is top of the line for laptops, that can't be used as a benchmark
[2017-02-13 01:02:52] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: rapidtrades: whats ur laptop make/model?
[2017-02-13 01:02:54] rapidtrades : sotfware needs to be optimized for 2-3 years old hardware at a minimum
[2017-02-13 01:02:59] Sultan Pepper : Which i7?
[2017-02-13 01:03:29] MikeHunt : unless he tells us what hes got there is no way to no how shit it is
[2017-02-13 01:03:44] rapidtrades : it's pretty shit, not denying that
[2017-02-13 01:03:54] rapidtrades : but still almost all sites are faster then bitmex
[2017-02-13 01:03:59] micmix : right now I'm on old Core 2, Win 7 with Chrome and have no issues. but I have chart disabled
[2017-02-13 01:04:04] Sultan Pepper : I7s have been around for yeeears
[2017-02-13 01:04:24] rapidtrades : Sultan Pepper: and they're still expensive
[2017-02-13 01:04:44] rapidtrades : most i7 laptops that don't weigh a ton are +1k
[2017-02-13 01:05:03] Sultan Pepper : Oh I know, but new ones eat old ones alive
[2017-02-13 01:05:31] rapidtrades : micmix: how do u have chart disabled?
[2017-02-13 01:05:37] micmix : Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 @ 2.8 GHz
[2017-02-13 01:05:46] sleger : rapidtrades: you reduce it
[2017-02-13 01:05:55] micmix : rapidtrades: switch to advanced layout and reduce it
[2017-02-13 01:06:04] rapidtrades : that's similar to mine.....whats ur CPU usage right now?
[2017-02-13 01:06:10] micmix : resize the chart to the min size
[2017-02-13 01:06:17] Sultan Pepper : like I said, my i5 4690k runs at 4.8ghz
[2017-02-13 01:06:19] rapidtrades : advanced is way too laggy for me
[2017-02-13 01:06:36] micmix : 5%-10% CPU usage
[2017-02-13 01:06:39] sleger : i am at 5% and runing kodi on external screen
[2017-02-13 01:06:56] micmix : you have something else eating resources @rapidtrades
[2017-02-13 01:07:09] Sultan Pepper : Porn
[2017-02-13 01:07:17] sleger : you know there are ways to know what is using your cpu,... @rapidtrades
[2017-02-13 01:07:21] Sultan Pepper : porn links
[2017-02-13 01:07:27] Sultan Pepper : porn saves
[2017-02-13 01:07:36] Sultan Pepper : porn downloads
[2017-02-13 01:07:41] rapidtrades : impossible, its the only tab in forefox and it uses the most CPU and memory
[2017-02-13 01:07:42] Sultan Pepper : porn related hacks
[2017-02-13 01:07:45] Adriana : There is a talk in Russian trollbox on BTCE-e now, that a lot of new bots started running within last 24 hours. People think that they are mostly Chinese
[2017-02-13 01:08:03] rapidtrades : they'er not bots, they're betting walls
[2017-02-13 01:08:11] micmix : rapidtrades: swithc to chrome, I can't use firefox with bitmex on this old pc
[2017-02-13 01:08:29] rapidtrades : that helps but it still uses a lot of cpu @micmix
[2017-02-13 01:08:51] micmix : firefox eats 50-60% CPU compared to Chrome 5-10%
[2017-02-13 01:09:18] j8 : i few days ago my bitmex tab was taking 80-120% cpu, with nothing else running. it's a 2 year old i7. now it's showing like 25%
[2017-02-13 01:09:44] Nutella : hi
[2017-02-13 01:10:03] micmix : rapidtrades: switch to Chrome, advanced layout doesn't lag in Chrome, then minimize the chart
[2017-02-13 01:10:04] Nutella : price not move
[2017-02-13 01:10:11] Nutella : no many :(
[2017-02-13 01:10:22] YOLOCOIN : boat
[2017-02-13 01:11:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 1900 @ 6656.2
[2017-02-13 01:11:25] Sultan Pepper : What was that?
[2017-02-13 01:11:27] micmix : Nutella: price will move soon
[2017-02-13 01:11:59] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: check ur power management settings
[2017-02-13 01:12:57] rapidtrades : micmix: my CPU and memory usage exploded until advanced...now how do i kill the chart
[2017-02-13 01:13:10] rapidtrades : under*
[2017-02-13 01:13:19] sleger : rapidtrades: resize down
[2017-02-13 01:13:30] sleger : make it tiny tiny like your wee wee
[2017-02-13 01:13:31] micmix : rapidtrades: drag it to the bottom, then resize to min size
[2017-02-13 01:13:39] -_- : bbands tight on lower time frame
[2017-02-13 01:13:41] sleger : micmix: thats what I said
[2017-02-13 01:13:56] micmix : sleger: you type faster ;-)
[2017-02-13 01:14:06] sleger : must be the i7
[2017-02-13 01:14:22] micmix : robot hands :smile:
[2017-02-13 01:15:36] micmix : I have monster desktop but I'm too lazy to go upstairs to the office lol
[2017-02-13 01:15:49] rapidtrades : no it definitely uses most resources under advanced
[2017-02-13 01:16:03] rapidtrades : even with chart minimize
[2017-02-13 01:16:06] micmix : even with chart disabled?
[2017-02-13 01:16:10] micmix : weird
[2017-02-13 01:16:57] Dynamix : Up we goo
[2017-02-13 01:17:05] micmix : rapidtrades: try Ctrl+F5 to reload
[2017-02-13 01:17:22] micmix : after disabling the chart
[2017-02-13 01:17:24] rapidtrades : i tried
[2017-02-13 01:17:44] rapidtrades : f5
[2017-02-13 01:18:43] j8 : oh i forgot, you need more than 0.1 btc deposited to unlock high performance mode
[2017-02-13 01:18:57] j8 : that's gotta be it
[2017-02-13 01:19:12] rapidtrades : must be
[2017-02-13 01:20:01] micmix : idk what to say, your CPU should be fine. I have 20+ tabs in firefox, chrome with bitmex and cryptowatch, Outlook, Visual Studio, 2 remote desktop sessions right now and no issues...
[2017-02-13 01:20:37] rapidtrades : wtf
[2017-02-13 01:20:37] micmix : and this Core 2 thing is 8 years old I think
[2017-02-13 01:20:57] rapidtrades : i have a signle tab open right now
[2017-02-13 01:21:30] sleger : maybe try to open more tabs
[2017-02-13 01:21:36] sleger : or replace your 56K modem
[2017-02-13 01:22:20] sleger : or try uninstall reinstall your firefox/chrome
[2017-02-13 01:22:21] micmix : open task manager, Processes tab, click "Show processes from all users" and sort by CPU. you might have something else eating all your CPU
[2017-02-13 01:22:34] sleger : he said its firefox
[2017-02-13 01:23:14] rapidtrades : micmix: i know :)
[2017-02-13 01:23:18] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: tell us ur laptop make n model
[2017-02-13 01:23:32] rapidtrades : NO
[2017-02-13 01:23:47] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: lol u troll
[2017-02-13 01:24:08] rapidtrades : its similar to micmix but mine is AMD
[2017-02-13 01:24:22] rapidtrades : so that explains the shit performance i guess
[2017-02-13 01:24:27] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: amd i7 sure its not amd k7 ?
[2017-02-13 01:24:28] sleger : might use more electricity than its worth
[2017-02-13 01:24:30] micmix : AMD CPUs were much slower
[2017-02-13 01:24:44] rapidtrades : i hate AMD
[2017-02-13 01:25:08] micmix : than Intel 7-8 years ago
[2017-02-13 01:25:24] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: amd dont make i7, u buy from choyna?
[2017-02-13 01:25:31] rapidtrades : i think my laptop is 5y old tops
[2017-02-13 01:26:09] MikeHunt : My cpu is 6 yrs old and still benches near a 6700k
[2017-02-13 01:26:26] micmix : but CPU model is most likely 6-7 years old, so it is much slower than my Intel Core 2
[2017-02-13 01:26:30] sleger : yes but like you its used to bend over @MikeHunt
[2017-02-13 01:26:36] rapidtrades : micmix: maybe
[2017-02-13 01:27:17] sleger : rapidtrades: if trading is where you hope to make money you should have at least half decent gear
[2017-02-13 01:27:37] rapidtrades : 'hope to make money'
[2017-02-13 01:27:49] rapidtrades : I already make my money here bish
[2017-02-13 01:28:01] sleger : so you could afford a not 8 y old laptop ?
[2017-02-13 01:28:28] rapidtrades : ofc i can....i spend a lot more then that on travel etc
[2017-02-13 01:28:51] sleger : yes but you should invest in your bread and butter
[2017-02-13 01:29:02] rapidtrades : maybe
[2017-02-13 01:29:06] sleger : if you make money like that spend a bit to have a half decent setup
[2017-02-13 01:29:18] sleger : how much did you lose becuase of those latencies ?
[2017-02-13 01:29:35] sleger : in the grand scheme of things hardware is nothing
[2017-02-13 01:29:47] rapidtrades : hard to say....i only need speed for the arbs and its not clear that they are +EV longterm
[2017-02-13 01:30:10] rapidtrades : it could be just taking on counter-party risk
[2017-02-13 01:30:38] micmix : agree with sleger, hardware cost is nothing. my main problem with upgrading is the time it takes to customize the OS and install everything I use
[2017-02-13 01:30:56] rapidtrades : i mostly trade longterm so I need minimal hardware
[2017-02-13 01:31:01] sleger : micmix: not with mac os, for your home setup
[2017-02-13 01:31:23] sleger : otherwise on things like centos its easy to reinstall everything
[2017-02-13 01:31:33] sleger : including os config, core assignment etc
[2017-02-13 01:32:10] micmix : I know but I use Windows for dev, nothing beats Visual Studio for C++ debugging
[2017-02-13 01:32:58] sleger : micmix: sublime for c++
[2017-02-13 01:33:30] micmix : not the same. VS has debugger, profiler, thread monitoring etc.
[2017-02-13 01:33:43] micmix : sublime is just an editor
[2017-02-13 01:34:17] sleger : yes but if you use c++ for perf then why use windows
[2017-02-13 01:34:53] sleger : hft usually run algos in c++ but on linux with cpu assignment etc...
[2017-02-13 01:35:04] micmix : I use Windows for dev only, deployment on centos
[2017-02-13 01:35:50] micmix : portable code using Boost runs on both platforms, I prefer Windows for dev and debugging
[2017-02-13 01:36:30] sleger : only works if you use windows compatible everywhere
[2017-02-13 01:36:35] sleger : posix wouldnt work for example
[2017-02-13 01:37:09] sleger : we use some low level OS calls that wouldnt run on windows
[2017-02-13 01:39:22] micmix : I know but most libraries I use are portable, and it's easier for me to do most dev and debug on Windows, and testing/fixing on the target OS after that. Maybe I'm just used to Visual Studio after 15+ years
[2017-02-13 01:39:48] micmix : ok, gotta run, talk to you later
[2017-02-13 01:39:52] sleger : yes i agree vs is convenient
[2017-02-13 01:39:57] sleger : bye
[2017-02-13 01:48:00] -_- : bitfinex and stamp got buyers like crazy
[2017-02-13 01:48:42] MikeHunt : -_-: trying to hold on to 1k
[2017-02-13 01:49:43] Dynamix : Bfx going uppp mad
[2017-02-13 01:52:56] Sultan Pepper : It went up a little. Here even less...
[2017-02-13 01:53:28] Sultan Pepper : Down on swap
[2017-02-13 01:55:18] Sultan Pepper : Dynamix: did you hit it?
[2017-02-13 01:56:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 1500 @ 986.66
[2017-02-13 01:56:13] JT : things are happening
[2017-02-13 01:56:48] Dynamix : That spiike
[2017-02-13 01:57:12] Dynamix : Moon ? time
[2017-02-13 01:57:59] Sultan Pepper : :rolleyes:
[2017-02-13 01:58:02] MikeHunt : been a few spikes like that already
[2017-02-13 01:58:11] YOLOCOIN : nog
[2017-02-13 01:58:28] Sultan Pepper : Boat?
[2017-02-13 01:58:31] Sultan Pepper : nog?
[2017-02-13 01:58:46] Sultan Pepper : Wtf yolocoin?
[2017-02-13 02:01:54] JT : bears trying to keep it below 1k
[2017-02-13 02:09:12] Ugly_Old_Goat : Time to start selling perp against long march and collect funding'
[2017-02-13 02:09:54] MikeHunt : i suspect chinese wanna buy up cheap on okc in 10 days so crash west in mean time
[2017-02-13 02:09:57] MikeHunt : /conspiracy
[2017-02-13 02:22:16] BitBIT : hello guys
[2017-02-13 02:22:31] BitBIT : good day
[2017-02-13 02:23:09] Sultan Pepper : Hey pal
[2017-02-13 02:24:11] MikeHunt : wazza
[2017-02-13 02:27:59] Dynamix : I got wntries at 985 977 and 965 can i go to bed ?
[2017-02-13 02:28:04] Dynamix : hehe
[2017-02-13 02:28:14] Dynamix : all my moneyz in positions lel
[2017-02-13 02:31:48] MikeHunt : leng or shert?
[2017-02-13 02:32:39] Dynamix : Longs
[2017-02-13 02:33:19] -_- : new money hitting exchanges soon
[2017-02-13 02:33:30] MikeHunt : Dynamix: well if there low lvg u shud b fine
[2017-02-13 02:33:31] -_- : buyers got the etf fever
[2017-02-13 02:33:34] -_- : only cure is more bitcoins
[2017-02-13 02:33:52] Dynamix : 25x lvg
[2017-02-13 02:33:57] MikeHunt : -_-: yeh it does have that saucepan look on charts
[2017-02-13 02:33:59] Dynamix : -_-: myh
[2017-02-13 02:35:03] MikeHunt : although even coindesk has been pretty negative about ETF
[2017-02-13 02:49:51] Sultan Pepper : Finally, a little action
[2017-02-13 02:50:16] MikeHunt : damn buttstamp leave my short alone
[2017-02-13 03:06:22] YOLOCOIN : might pamp
[2017-02-13 03:16:35] keith123 : hi all
[2017-02-13 03:16:50] keith123 : anyone have suffered from POLO's wrong market data feed lately?
[2017-02-13 03:17:34] keith123 : for example, their etc_btc fu-cked up with a ticker 5% above its previous tick yesterday
[2017-02-13 03:17:46] ubba : pboc going to inspect coinbase
[2017-02-13 03:18:04] keith123 : coinbase isn't even operating in china man'
[2017-02-13 03:18:23] ubba : its reliable outsider information
[2017-02-13 03:18:25] keith123 : wally you around?
[2017-02-13 03:18:45] keith123 : ubba: reliable outsider lol
[2017-02-13 03:19:00] keith123 : wally around?
[2017-02-13 03:19:49] BitMEX_Sam : Hey keith123
[2017-02-13 03:19:53] BitMEX_Sam : Do you have a question?
[2017-02-13 03:19:59] keith123 : BitMEX_Sam: Hi Sam, yes
[2017-02-13 03:20:02] MikeHunt : ubba: think u mean IRS
[2017-02-13 03:20:28] keith123 : BitMEX_Sam: I am wondering if the index .ETCXBT, is it a snapshot of that second, or the average of that one minute?
[2017-02-13 03:21:02] BitMEX_Sam : It is a snapshot at that second
[2017-02-13 03:21:22] keith123 : BitMEX_Sam: reason I am asking is, the polo restful / websocket market data fuc-ked up itself so frequently
[2017-02-13 03:22:06] keith123 : BitMEX_Sam: last night (HKT) it suddenly pushed a ticker which is 5% above actual price on ETCBTC pair
[2017-02-13 03:22:23] BitMEX_Sam : We backfill in case of outages - let me check with Wally re: inconsistent data
[2017-02-13 03:22:37] keith123 : it wasn't an outage tho
[2017-02-13 03:22:38] keith123 : yea
[2017-02-13 03:22:42] keith123 : it is a wrong data
[2017-02-13 03:22:59] keith123 : never really traded at that point but both restful and websocket sending that tick over
[2017-02-13 03:23:05] keith123 : as if it has been there
[2017-02-13 03:23:14] keith123 : but it wasn't on the chart of polo
[2017-02-13 03:23:30] keith123 : and it lasted for like 20 seconds
[2017-02-13 03:24:05] keith123 : i am checking with polo as well but you know they are slow
[2017-02-13 03:24:12] keith123 : in responding emails
[2017-02-13 03:24:30] keith123 : just want to see how you and ben deal with that
[2017-02-13 03:25:08] BitMEX_Sam : Asking them now, I'll have them respond here
[2017-02-13 03:25:45] BitMEX_Jinming : keith123: Which time period did you see the wrong price?
[2017-02-13 03:25:59] keith123 : 19:43-19:50 last night HKT
[2017-02-13 03:26:31] rapidtrades : oh shit...the famous POLO will come in our chat?
[2017-02-13 03:26:41] keith123 : you can look for bid 0.00128528, ask 0.00128539 on ETC XBT
[2017-02-13 03:27:21] keith123 : only this bid ask was fuc-king being sent via websocket and restful
[2017-02-13 03:27:26] Nutella : who is this POLO?
[2017-02-13 03:27:35] Nutella : he has many?
[2017-02-13 03:28:16] keith123 : BitMEX_Jinming: how do you currently deal with such data or just trust whatever they send
[2017-02-13 03:29:12] BitMEX_Jinming : keith123: yes we just use their trade prices
[2017-02-13 03:31:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 4000 @ 993.05
[2017-02-13 03:33:51] BitMEX_Wally : keith123: The highest trade in the last 24 hours for BTC_ETC from Poloniex was 0.0012301
[2017-02-13 03:34:12] BitMEX_Jinming : keith123: yeah I see the bid/ask were pushed up for a short period. But we are using trade price, so it doesn't affect us.
[2017-02-13 03:35:05] micmix : keith123: implement bad tick filtering with customizable range, like +/-2%
[2017-02-13 03:35:35] keith123 : BitMEX_Jinming: do you see this tick in history? the last in the same json was 0.00128538
[2017-02-13 03:35:47] BitMEX_Wally : keith123: Yes we see it in the ticker history
[2017-02-13 03:35:56] micmix : polo and finex push wrong bid/ask quite often
[2017-02-13 03:36:03] BitMEX_Wally : bid/offer was 0.0012853 / 0.0012854
[2017-02-13 03:36:08] MikeHunt : stamp up everyone else down wtf
[2017-02-13 03:36:31] keith123 : BitMEX_Wally: yea but it was never there
[2017-02-13 03:36:58] keith123 : BitMEX_Wally: in the same json the last price was somewhere around 0.00128 as well
[2017-02-13 03:37:05] BitMEX_Wally : Interestingly the lastPrice from the ticker feed was
[2017-02-13 03:37:07] BitMEX_Wally : 0.0012854
[2017-02-13 03:37:12] keith123 : BitMEX_Wally: yep
[2017-02-13 03:37:37] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, and we do take the last price from the ticker feed for marking purposes
[2017-02-13 03:37:42] keith123 : BitMEX_Wally: that's why i m wondering what's the best way to deal with such shit
[2017-02-13 03:38:10] keith123 : micmix: 2% is too small for alt coins man
[2017-02-13 03:38:50] micmix : that's why I said customizable, ideally it should be adjusted based on past volatility
[2017-02-13 03:39:21] micmix : I have it in 2%-5% range for alts
[2017-02-13 03:39:48] MadDog : Such one thousand
[2017-02-13 03:39:50] keith123 : micmix: will have wrong alerts all the times then
[2017-02-13 03:40:10] BitMEX_Wally : Last time the trade price was actually 1.9127324 was at 2016.11.16 07:43:13 UTC (according to Poloniex trade feed)
[2017-02-13 03:40:16] micmix : worse case scenario you skip couple of ticks of correct data
[2017-02-13 03:40:37] BitMEX_Wally : *was actually 0.0012854
[2017-02-13 03:40:47] keith123 : back in nov..
[2017-02-13 03:40:59] keith123 : what the hell is wrong with them
[2017-02-13 03:41:19] micmix : also I found that ticker data is less reliable that ws trade and orderbook feeds
[2017-02-13 03:41:33] micmix : *than
[2017-02-13 03:41:36] keith123 : micmix: no, ws and orderbook feed also fuc-ked up
[2017-02-13 03:44:00] keith123 : BitMEX_Wally: i gotta go - catch up with you afterwards on this
[2017-02-13 03:44:07] keith123 : thanks man
[2017-02-13 03:44:08] BitMEX_Wally : keith123: Cool
[2017-02-13 03:44:19] micmix : as far as I see my filter filtered out that bad data. yes, with a filter it's possible to lose 20-30 sec when the alt really jumps 3% but it's better than trading using bad ticks
[2017-02-13 03:45:10] micmix : plus if you are using orderbook bid/ask it never really jumps 3-5% in one orderbook update
[2017-02-13 03:45:13] keith123 : micmix: the bad tick / orderbook lasted for at most 50 seconds
[2017-02-13 03:45:57] BitMEX_Wally : I don't have historical order book data but it feels like maybe these were aggressive limit orders that matched against the order book and should never have been published
[2017-02-13 03:46:55] micmix : I don't store ETC orderbook data either, can't say for sure
[2017-02-13 03:47:02] keith123 : but the chart on polo does not have that tick at all
[2017-02-13 03:47:57] Ugly_Old_Goat : Please pay my short btc in 12 minutes
[2017-02-13 03:48:12] arbitrage101 : Ugly_Old_Goat: is your short hedged?
[2017-02-13 03:48:12] BitMEX_Wally : Actually from looking at the ticker history it looks like they were just pushing stale data, the high price and low price jumped too
[2017-02-13 03:48:49] Ugly_Old_Goat : Yup, starting to sell perp agains bocoo long Martch
[2017-02-13 03:49:12] BitMEX_Wally : keith123: The chart is probably just from the trade history
[2017-02-13 03:49:40] BitMEX_Wally : Maybe they brought up a stale API server and it served this bad data, but that doesn't explain why they had up-to-date timestamps on the data
[2017-02-13 03:50:14] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: Are you using last price from the ticker feed or trades from the trade feed for marking?
[2017-02-13 03:50:25] degen : monster short squeeze incoming?
[2017-02-13 03:51:01] arbitrage101 : micmix: all methods will have pro and con
[2017-02-13 03:51:06] BitMEX_Wally : The .ETCXBT index prints every minute using the trade feed, but we use the ticker feed to update it for marking purposes
[2017-02-13 03:51:21] arbitrage101 : and people will always find a way to exploit
[2017-02-13 03:51:50] Ugly_Old_Goat : First time I have been a seller since before the last crash. My averabge long is now 910 . Plan to scale up sell 1./4 of my position from here to 1050
[2017-02-13 03:52:36] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: maybe it's better to be consistent? I saw more instances when the ticker feed is messed and trade feed is ok compared to the other way around.
[2017-02-13 03:53:03] Ugly_Old_Goat : May as well collect the funding rather than liquidate March at a price under perp.
[2017-02-13 03:54:04] Ugly_Old_Goat : It is simply a win/win trade. A matter of when to start selling. I am not bearish but I also am not greedy and always take some home.
[2017-02-13 03:55:16] Sultan Pepper : You selling march goat?
[2017-02-13 03:55:29] Sultan Pepper : or selling swap and holding march?
[2017-02-13 03:55:40] Sultan Pepper : teach me your ways!
[2017-02-13 03:56:06] jose : Sultan Pepper: you should sell swao and hold march
[2017-02-13 03:56:07] Sultan Pepper : Ugly_old_goat
[2017-02-13 03:56:29] Ugly_Old_Goat : What will China do next? Good video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPdmwvZJZ5U&feature=em-lss
[2017-02-13 03:56:33] arbitrage101 : Sultan Pepper: i am selling march
[2017-02-13 03:58:18] Papou : ur crazy
[2017-02-13 03:58:42] arbitrage101 : Papou: how so
[2017-02-13 03:58:51] arbitrage101 : XBTH17 -21640
[2017-02-13 03:59:01] arbitrage101 : XBTUSD -38469
[2017-02-13 03:59:37] Papou : u are gonna get burned bro
[2017-02-13 03:59:38] Papou : what entry?
[2017-02-13 03:59:49] arbitrage101 : around 998
[2017-02-13 03:59:53] Papou : ouch
[2017-02-13 03:59:59] Papou : we going to 1020+ soon
[2017-02-13 04:00:02] Papou : 1020-1040
[2017-02-13 04:01:51] MadDog : 3BMEX28RkLCr6qt9xLGARKCTpc87GEZFNx
[2017-02-13 04:05:06] MikeHunt : MadDog: u begging again?
[2017-02-13 04:05:09] MadDog : Yes
[2017-02-13 04:05:28] arbitrage101 : MadDog: any tips for me?
[2017-02-13 04:05:29] MadDog : I am depressed
[2017-02-13 04:05:35] arbitrage101 : my begging skill is too low
[2017-02-13 04:05:44] MadDog : Tell your life story
[2017-02-13 04:05:45] arbitrage101 : i am depressed also
[2017-02-13 04:05:48] MadDog : people will feel sorry for you
[2017-02-13 04:05:50] arbitrage101 : o
[2017-02-13 04:05:54] arbitrage101 : my wife dump me
[2017-02-13 04:06:01] MadDog : my ferret died
[2017-02-13 04:06:04] MadDog : i feel your pain
[2017-02-13 04:06:04] arbitrage101 : parents abandon me
[2017-02-13 04:06:13] arbitrage101 : children spite on me
[2017-02-13 04:06:15] MadDog : my parents beat me all the time too 3BMEX28RkLCr6qt9xLGARKCTpc87GEZFNx
[2017-02-13 04:06:41] MadDog : See, then you slip it in there like that
[2017-02-13 04:06:53] Ahhere : I shorted the internet of money
[2017-02-13 04:07:18] MadDog : Ahhere you wanna put me in?
[2017-02-13 04:07:26] MikeHunt : starting to see a lot more pumping by USA
[2017-02-13 04:07:27] MadDog : I'm back at the casino baby
[2017-02-13 04:07:39] MadDog : 5 dollar alley here we come
[2017-02-13 04:08:08] Ahhere : MadDog: no goin back to bed
[2017-02-13 04:08:18] MadDog : I am so tired
[2017-02-13 04:08:32] MadDog : Someone is stalking me on steemit now
[2017-02-13 04:08:44] MadDog : from anonymous account.. they are hating on anti-vaxxers too
[2017-02-13 04:09:11] MadDog : they must have been vaxxed.. XD
[2017-02-13 04:10:04] MadDog : So yeah micmix proved today I am indeed down 0.7 btc here
[2017-02-13 04:10:23] MadDog : and I didn't even get a free night in the Bitmex Hotel
[2017-02-13 04:10:26] yungyang : MikeHunt: its sunday night in usa you idiot
[2017-02-13 04:11:06] MikeHunt : yungyang: fiatleak
[2017-02-13 04:11:17] yungyang : go on
[2017-02-13 04:11:49] MikeHunt : yungyang: china/usa were near equal in buying
[2017-02-13 04:12:49] yungyang : whats fiatleak
[2017-02-13 04:13:05] yungyang : that silly website
[2017-02-13 04:13:16] yungyang : is it location based ? (how)
[2017-02-13 04:13:19] yungyang : or just currency based
[2017-02-13 04:26:54] MikeHunt : yungyang: whoes buying btc in what country
[2017-02-13 04:45:36] MichaelKade : Is there any drops expected?
[2017-02-13 04:46:03] MichaelKade : in the next 24 hours?
[2017-02-13 04:55:37] MikeHunt : everyone seems to have different ideas
[2017-02-13 05:01:43] Papou : there is only one way and that is long
[2017-02-13 05:02:24] Papou : we are in the year of the rooster
[2017-02-13 05:02:26] Papou : ARISE CHIKUN
[2017-02-13 05:11:54] dodic : chikun arise
[2017-02-13 05:37:44] Sinterklaas : MichaelKade: NL?
[2017-02-13 05:39:44] Sinterklaas : Papou: still here? i longed it at 995 before i went to sleep 4 BTC+. thanks for the Long tip (confirmation) Papou...
[2017-02-13 05:40:06] Papou : np
[2017-02-13 05:40:31] Papou : i would stay long though, just reduce and take profit 1020-1040
[2017-02-13 05:41:09] Papou : dont bank on the dip, stay safe and buy it
[2017-02-13 05:43:33] Sinterklaas : Papou: you think it will go to 1020+ soon? or are we going sideways for a while?
[2017-02-13 05:46:56] Papou : i think we will see 1040 within 24-48 hours
[2017-02-13 05:47:06] Papou : consolidation getting tight
[2017-02-13 05:47:27] Papou : the buy support at 1000 honestly though tells me we might see 1100
[2017-02-13 05:47:38] Papou : could bounce between 1080-1140
[2017-02-13 05:48:42] Sinterklaas : Papou: pfiiieeeeuw, BAM! you dare to talk man! My opinion is UP but little less fast and steep as you say.. but anyway up! nice Papou! lets see
[2017-02-13 05:55:25] MadDog : I need money
[2017-02-13 05:55:25] MadDog : 3BMEX28RkLCr6qt9xLGARKCTpc87GEZFNx
[2017-02-13 05:55:31] MadDog : I just quit steemit
[2017-02-13 06:06:43] Sinterklaas : MadDog: aka NoGanOo
[2017-02-13 06:07:04] Sinterklaas : we miss you here in Amsterdam mate...
[2017-02-13 06:10:49] Papou : sinterklaas my friend, we will touch 1500 by mid year u will see
[2017-02-13 06:11:48] Sinterklaas : Papou: yes, i'm with you.. and 3000 is next goal... BTC is the future,
[2017-02-13 06:12:40] Sinterklaas : but only thing; PBOC couldn't stop BTC uprise, but IF Trump decides to Twitter about BTC we have problem Houston
[2017-02-13 06:13:24] Sinterklaas : why is his name drumpf?
[2017-02-13 06:13:57] Papou : trump is pro btc
[2017-02-13 06:14:00] Papou : if anything he is investing in it
[2017-02-13 06:14:10] Papou : pboc is done, they cant stop btc
[2017-02-13 06:14:13] Sinterklaas : Yes, but why Bitmex changes his name?
[2017-02-13 06:14:14] Papou : they do small fud to dump and buy more
[2017-02-13 06:14:16] Papou : i dunno
[2017-02-13 06:15:01] Sinterklaas : Papou: yes its courressing nice that PBOC couldn't stop BTC
[2017-02-13 06:15:31] Tony : do you make money when your short on the 100x Perpetual Swap? so its like a 8 hour future contract that automaticlly turns over for the funing rate collecting the 0.3X% dailiy intrest premium?
[2017-02-13 06:18:49] Sinterklaas : bitmex: i would like Tru-mp to be written normally..
[2017-02-13 06:19:03] Sinterklaas : obama
[2017-02-13 06:19:08] Sinterklaas : hillary
[2017-02-13 06:19:13] Sinterklaas : trump
[2017-02-13 06:19:19] Sinterklaas : merkel
[2017-02-13 06:19:27] BitMEX_Arthur : trump
[2017-02-13 06:19:33] BitMEX_Arthur : Trump
[2017-02-13 06:19:37] Sinterklaas : trump
[2017-02-13 06:19:45] Sinterklaas : hahah
[2017-02-13 06:20:15] Sinterklaas : all is written normal but Tru-mp
[2017-02-13 06:20:47] Sinterklaas : ;)
[2017-02-13 06:20:58] Tony : lol
[2017-02-13 06:22:01] micmix : we got Trumped lol
[2017-02-13 06:22:34] Tony : futurse still goin up
[2017-02-13 06:23:00] Tony : xbth17
[2017-02-13 06:23:22] Tony : time for the hammer?
[2017-02-13 06:25:15] cekseh : Drumpf sounds funny, probably why his family change it to what it is now
[2017-02-13 06:35:11] Rookie : over the years I imagine you guys have seen a lot of people come to crypto, make some btc, and then get sucked in and completely rekted
[2017-02-13 06:35:51] Rookie : why does this happen? how can this fate be avoided?
[2017-02-13 06:36:06] Tony : is that your story lol bitcoin is very forgiving as long as you are net long for a long time
[2017-02-13 06:37:30] Rookie : not yet tony
[2017-02-13 06:37:44] Tony : buy support gone on the futures
[2017-02-13 06:37:49] l3f : Tony: Just don't long the top
[2017-02-13 06:37:50] Rookie : I'm gonna get rich or I'm gonna get poor, but I ain't rekt yet
[2017-02-13 06:38:07] l3f : The rowers keep on rowing
[2017-02-13 06:38:16] l3f : Open interest just keeps going up
[2017-02-13 06:38:19] Abe : is there any thing i can trade on this site that will not liquidate itself???If I used no leverage would I have to worry about my position liquidating???I havent used this site in months because the last time i used it, I got stomped out five times in a row in a mattter of minutes...
[2017-02-13 06:38:22] l3f : something explosive will happen soon
[2017-02-13 06:38:39] Tony : i shorted the swap at 102.5
[2017-02-13 06:39:02] l3f : Abe: look at your liquidation price
[2017-02-13 06:39:09] Tony : longed he futers an hour befor that at 980
[2017-02-13 06:40:05] Tony : Abe: was that trading bitcoin or some other coin?
[2017-02-13 06:40:17] Sinterklaas : l3f: yes! UP
[2017-02-13 06:40:25] Abe : ok ,so there is always a chance that my positioin will be liquated???
[2017-02-13 06:40:35] Abe : yes it was trading bitcoin
[2017-02-13 06:41:08] Tony : I3f:what did it start at?