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[2017-02-12 23:17:35] Dynamix : Papou: That exaggeration though haha
[2017-02-12 23:17:45] BTCDJS : Dynamix: hes a crazy fool
[2017-02-12 23:17:48] Papou : bitcoin is 100k by 2020
[2017-02-12 23:17:51] Dynamix : Papou: 1 M wont hit never.... maybe 10k is max IMO
[2017-02-12 23:17:54] Papou : 2030-2040 1 mil
[2017-02-12 23:18:03] Dynamix : would be 170B market cap
[2017-02-12 23:18:06] Papou : nobody understands simple math?
[2017-02-12 23:18:13] Papou : 21 million coins storing trillions in value
[2017-02-12 23:18:15] Papou : hmmm
[2017-02-12 23:18:25] Dynamix : Papou: True, could be possible
[2017-02-12 23:18:40] Papou : bitcoin is in mining/accumulation phase
[2017-02-12 23:18:42] Dynamix : I've seen a movie when someone paid only like 10k satoshi for a $50 item
[2017-02-12 23:18:43] Papou : hence the big waves
[2017-02-12 23:18:47] Dynamix : sublimminal messages right there ;)
[2017-02-12 23:18:54] Papou : its all a game of accumulation
[2017-02-12 23:18:57] Dynamix : Can't remember which movie but it wass talking about btc ..
[2017-02-12 23:19:19] BTCDJS : There would have to be a MAJOR economic catastrophe for thrillions to pour out of forex into BTC
[2017-02-12 23:19:22] Papou : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyq4od8MBoE
[2017-02-12 23:19:24] Papou : so u can understand
[2017-02-12 23:19:30] Dynamix : Papou: for 7 B people you will need 0.02 btc for each :P
[2017-02-12 23:19:31] Papou : the infrastrucutre is still being built.
[2017-02-12 23:19:45] Papou : its an arms race for hash power and total coin holdings
[2017-02-12 23:19:53] Papou : the plebs get sacrificed
[2017-02-12 23:19:55] Dynamix : Thats a small amount af
[2017-02-12 23:20:10] Dynamix : Its going to break this resistance here
[2017-02-12 23:20:17] Papou : bitcoin will keep growing the same it has fractally
[2017-02-12 23:20:52] Papou : in terms of value
[2017-02-12 23:20:57] Papou : once its distro'd out
[2017-02-12 23:21:36] Papou : plenty will be secured in cold storage off the market, backing real value, gold will be the biggest replacement
[2017-02-12 23:21:51] Papou : wouldnt be surprised to see countries using bitcoins as currency backings to issue paper currency to their citizens
[2017-02-12 23:22:04] Papou : with the ultimate bank being the global populus (bitcoin network)
[2017-02-12 23:22:56] Papou : when its at that level and a few million are stored backing trillions upon trillions, and there are only a few thousand up for trade on exchanges
[2017-02-12 23:22:59] Papou : thats the future 100%
[2017-02-12 23:23:08] jung1 : yup
[2017-02-12 23:24:37] Papou : gold is useless and obsolete
[2017-02-12 23:24:43] Papou : for financial tools as well as industrial soon
[2017-02-12 23:24:48] Papou : tech has replaced it, its that simple
[2017-02-12 23:26:01] Papou : if bitcoin replaces gold, thats exactly what happens
[2017-02-12 23:26:09] BTCDJS : lol
[2017-02-12 23:26:10] Dynamix : Pushing out of the 5 min cloud we are going uupp
[2017-02-12 23:26:20] Papou : gold used to back cash, and it will bo back to that, reason it stopped was because gold is ultimately infinite
[2017-02-12 23:26:31] Papou : its limited supply is illusionary
[2017-02-12 23:26:33] BTCDJS : Gold is useless and obsolete? Coo Coo
[2017-02-12 23:26:35] Papou : so they took advantage of that fact
[2017-02-12 23:26:38] Papou : and the game is over
[2017-02-12 23:26:51] Papou : yes man, for financial tools, bitcoin tech is better
[2017-02-12 23:27:05] Papou : and in industrial uses, new tech will replace it ultimately
[2017-02-12 23:27:08] Dynamix : Papou: Gold is just to use as jewelry
[2017-02-12 23:27:12] Papou : as we advance
[2017-02-12 23:27:45] Papou : gold will be cheap....u already have platinum way over it
[2017-02-12 23:28:02] Papou : and as new metals are crafted by emerging technology, more and better replacements come about
[2017-02-12 23:28:10] BTCDJS : Papou: And what would be the backup in case we have a major war and computers are lost?
[2017-02-12 23:28:19] rapidtrades : FFS TAKE UR MEDS PAPOU
[2017-02-12 23:28:27] Papou : i mean that case scenario also wipes fiat dude
[2017-02-12 23:28:31] Papou : are u kidding
[2017-02-12 23:28:40] Papou : if war happened and computers are lost, all currency is lost
[2017-02-12 23:28:49] BTCDJS : Papou: Nope
[2017-02-12 23:28:54] Papou : are u dumb
[2017-02-12 23:28:58] BTCDJS : Theres still gold in the vaults
[2017-02-12 23:29:00] rapidtrades : any pasta lovers here? why does it say 6 mins cooking for spaghetti but when u cook em for 20 mins they're still clunky
[2017-02-12 23:29:11] Papou : no currency is gold backed dude
[2017-02-12 23:29:13] rapidtrades : like wtf is up with that shit
[2017-02-12 23:29:15] Papou : thats what the term "fiat" means
[2017-02-12 23:29:18] Papou : means NOT gold backed
[2017-02-12 23:29:19] Papou : derp
[2017-02-12 23:29:23] Papou : educate yourself
[2017-02-12 23:29:34] rapidtrades : actually that's not what the term means stupid
[2017-02-12 23:29:45] BTCDJS : Papou: Jesus you are unreal. Im done talking to you now
[2017-02-12 23:29:54] Papou : google.com it
[2017-02-12 23:29:59] Papou : what does fiat mean
[2017-02-12 23:30:09] Papou : are u guys all seriously miseducated?
[2017-02-12 23:30:17] sleger : rapidtrades: you actually have to boil the water
[2017-02-12 23:30:18] Papou : there is no currency on the planet gold backed anymore
[2017-02-12 23:30:25] sleger : letting the pasta sit in cold water doesnt cook them
[2017-02-12 23:30:30] sleger : learned that the hard way
[2017-02-12 23:30:36] BTCDJS : I think its a ready meal
[2017-02-12 23:30:37] rapidtrades : fiat, a currency by decree Fiat money is a currency established as money by government regulation or law.[1] The term derives from the Latin fiat ("let it become", "it will become")[2] used in the sense of an order or decree.
[2017-02-12 23:30:57] rapidtrades : gold doesn't factor in the definition
[2017-02-12 23:31:11] Papou : Fiat currency is legal tender whose value is backed by the government that issued it. The U.S. dollar is fiat money, as are the euro and many other major world currencies. This approach differs from money whose value is underpinned by some physical good such as gold or silver, called commodity money.
[2017-02-12 23:31:17] BTCDJS : Papou: Consider YOURSELF educated
[2017-02-12 23:31:28] Papou : google commodity money
[2017-02-12 23:31:29] Papou : idiot
[2017-02-12 23:31:41] rapidtrades : but u said google fiat money lol
[2017-02-12 23:31:42] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: Is it a ready meal or are you boiling pasta?
[2017-02-12 23:31:45] jphamer1 : gold is natures money
[2017-02-12 23:31:53] rapidtrades : boiling @BTCDJS
[2017-02-12 23:31:57] jphamer1 : the most disable form of money
[2017-02-12 23:31:57] Papou : What determines the value of fiat currency? DEFINITION of 'Fiat Money' Currency that a government has declared to be legal tender, but is not backed by a physical commodity. The value of fiat money is derived from the relationship between supply and demand rather than the value of the material that the money is made of. Fiat Money Definition | Investopedia www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fiatmoney.asp
[2017-02-12 23:32:05] jphamer1 : disirable
[2017-02-12 23:32:16] rapidtrades : wikipedia > investopedia
[2017-02-12 23:32:20] jphamer1 : desirable
[2017-02-12 23:32:26] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: Thats easy. You just boil it and in a few minutes its soft
[2017-02-12 23:32:35] Papou : i know what u guys are doing, but u can only fud bitcoin to total idiots
[2017-02-12 23:32:36] Papou : sorry
[2017-02-12 23:32:49] rapidtrades : but it still feels uncooked...idk maybe im used to over-boiled
[2017-02-12 23:33:06] Papou : im fortunate enough to be here since august 2016 and being a bitcoin bull since $580
[2017-02-12 23:33:11] BTCDJS : Papou: nobody is fudding bitcoin. We are just challenging your stupidity
[2017-02-12 23:33:12] Papou : so im grateful
[2017-02-12 23:33:16] rapidtrades : lol @Papou
[2017-02-12 23:33:18] Papou : but i wish i was here for $1-$10
[2017-02-12 23:33:21] jphamer1 : i been watching bitcoin for years and right now it seems like its going to go to supernova
[2017-02-12 23:33:37] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: Did not realise you can overboil pasta
[2017-02-12 23:33:48] jung1 : supernova explodes and die
[2017-02-12 23:33:49] rapidtrades : in other news, last year jphamer1 was diagnosed with autism
[2017-02-12 23:34:26] rapidtrades : it's ok to laugh guys :)
[2017-02-12 23:35:51] BTCDJS : Im off to bed. Though I think i will stuggle to sleep because this guy just wound me up
[2017-02-12 23:36:24] BTCDJS : Ill have a cigarette first
[2017-02-12 23:36:27] BTCDJS : Later
[2017-02-12 23:37:26] Dynamix : once ETF gets approved we will be rich boys
[2017-02-12 23:37:42] jung1 : yup
[2017-02-12 23:37:46] Dynamix : Gonna long my house everything haha
[2017-02-12 23:37:47] jung1 : but not now
[2017-02-12 23:37:48] Dynamix : 100x
[2017-02-12 23:37:54] Dynamix : 11 march maybe ...
[2017-02-12 23:38:00] jung1 : nah
[2017-02-12 23:38:16] Dynamix : Man 100B market cap could be real possible
[2017-02-12 23:38:17] Dynamix : for btc
[2017-02-12 23:38:28] MikeHunt : and wen it doesnt ill be rich
[2017-02-12 23:38:28] MikeHunt : 50x short
[2017-02-12 23:38:33] jung1 : I know that will happen
[2017-02-12 23:38:35] jung1 : but not now
[2017-02-12 23:38:38] Dynamix : Most of the shit there is billions of dollars market cap
[2017-02-12 23:38:41] Dynamix : trillions even hehe
[2017-02-12 23:39:01] Dynamix : MikeHunt: I'll short after the 100x long ehhe
[2017-02-12 23:40:33] sleger : MikeHunt: you will never be rich
[2017-02-12 23:40:39] sleger : unless you win the lottery
[2017-02-12 23:42:56] MikeHunt : sleger: thanks for the encouragement
[2017-02-12 23:43:12] sleger : i mean it
[2017-02-12 23:43:19] sleger : good luck for the lottery
[2017-02-12 23:43:38] Dynamix : Gonna entry again for long
[2017-02-12 23:43:44] Dynamix : will be nearly all in soon heh
[2017-02-12 23:43:58] Dynamix : Price is impossible to go further than 970 ...
[2017-02-12 23:48:12] Dynamix : down up down up hehe
[2017-02-12 23:57:14] rapidtrades : I think Mike has the better personality for a trader right now
[2017-02-12 23:57:21] rapidtrades : sleger has too much ego
[2017-02-12 23:57:30] Dynamix : rapidtrades: What about me ? ;)
[2017-02-12 23:57:46] rapidtrades : ofc we don't know what Mike will turn into if he starts winning etc
[2017-02-12 23:57:53] sleger : "rapidtrades: I think Mike has the better personality for a trader right now" famous last words
[2017-02-12 23:58:42] Dynamix : Up we go :)
[2017-02-12 23:58:48] rapidtrades : his skills are not there yet but it takes time @sleger
[2017-02-13 00:04:19] Dynamix : why are we $5 behind bitfinex ?:P lets go back there lol
[2017-02-13 00:04:23] MikeHunt : if i get rich it probably wont be from trading
[2017-02-13 00:04:48] MikeHunt : may make more overall from trading but i have other things which should bring in a lot more $ sooner
[2017-02-13 00:05:59] rapidtrades : yeah for trading u need a large bankroll cos it's a percentage game
[2017-02-13 00:06:08] Dynamix : MikeHunt: Business eh ?
[2017-02-13 00:06:19] Dynamix : Shopify + ads is the best ;)
[2017-02-13 00:06:29] Dynamix : Got this 28gb course if you want from Adrian Morrisons heh
[2017-02-13 00:06:52] MikeHunt : Dynamix: game development
[2017-02-13 00:06:56] MikeHunt : 28gb course?
[2017-02-13 00:07:08] Dynamix : MikeHunt: That is soo long
[2017-02-13 00:07:19] Dynamix : MikeHunt: Yup how to make a 6 -7 figure business
[2017-02-13 00:07:27] Dynamix : With fb ads and shopify
[2017-02-13 00:07:32] Dynamix : loads of videos dude I swear
[2017-02-13 00:07:33] Dynamix : haha
[2017-02-13 00:07:42] rapidtrades : http://news.forexlive.com/!/more-to-print-out-stick-to-the-fridge-a-quick-guide-to-pboc-policy-tools-20170212
[2017-02-13 00:08:52] MikeHunt : Dynamix: whats the exact name of the course?
[2017-02-13 00:10:47] Dynamix : MikeHunt: You can't find it
[2017-02-13 00:11:22] MikeHunt : Dynamix: i need to know what to search for first
[2017-02-13 00:11:44] Dynamix : ecom success academy
[2017-02-13 00:12:03] rapidtrades : i think he's giving u a fake title
[2017-02-13 00:12:16] Dynamix : Nope dude I've got it for free
[2017-02-13 00:12:26] Dynamix : I can sell for cheap though ...
[2017-02-13 00:12:38] rapidtrades : ah sell.....what a jew
[2017-02-13 00:12:40] Dynamix : with a nitroflare account too to download fast
[2017-02-13 00:12:52] Dynamix : rapidtrades: Idgaf $25 for a 28 gb course is fair :P
[2017-02-13 00:13:00] Dynamix : I learnt a lot myself man how to make a beautiful campaign
[2017-02-13 00:13:04] Dynamix : tools to use, shit to do
[2017-02-13 00:13:12] Dynamix : how to market, email market all of that
[2017-02-13 00:13:17] rapidtrades : did u make any money with it
[2017-02-13 00:13:23] MikeHunt : course site looks dodgy as fuck
[2017-02-13 00:13:24] Dynamix : rapidtrades: Yup
[2017-02-13 00:13:33] rapidtrades : how much
[2017-02-13 00:13:35] Dynamix : MikeHunt: yhhh well idk it works
[2017-02-13 00:13:42] Dynamix : over £200 so far in profit
[2017-02-13 00:13:49] Dynamix : but going to scale
[2017-02-13 00:13:49] MikeHunt : i do alright on ebay
[2017-02-13 00:13:55] Dynamix : Ebay its good too
[2017-02-13 00:14:00] MikeHunt : 10% flat tax isnt too bad
[2017-02-13 00:14:09] Dynamix : I've got a course for Amazon Rebranding too
[2017-02-13 00:14:12] Dynamix : its crazy money in that also
[2017-02-13 00:14:14] rapidtrades : what do u sell on ebay
[2017-02-13 00:14:21] MikeHunt : $30 a month for shopify is about what i pay ebay so not that interesting
[2017-02-13 00:14:31] Dynamix : MikeHunt: 60 days free
[2017-02-13 00:14:40] Dynamix : + support + website design and all :)
[2017-02-13 00:14:46] MikeHunt : Dynamix: also ill need to do my own site, with ebay i just take picture with phone and its done
[2017-02-13 00:14:50] Dynamix : and fee is low ,
[2017-02-13 00:14:57] Dynamix : MikeHunt: Fair enough....
[2017-02-13 00:15:01] Dynamix : But the trick with shopify
[2017-02-13 00:15:03] Dynamix : is alixpress dude ;)
[2017-02-13 00:15:16] Dynamix : Free + Shipping trick ;)
[2017-02-13 00:15:33] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: usually junk i find lying around
[2017-02-13 00:15:33] Dynamix : you charge $0 for product but charge shipping
[2017-02-13 00:15:54] Dynamix : Fair enough... Thats not much of a real business though imo
[2017-02-13 00:16:22] MikeHunt : i can make my own site if i need one
[2017-02-13 00:16:31] MikeHunt : dont need to pay for someone else to dod it
[2017-02-13 00:17:17] rapidtrades : Dynamix: so whats the point of that? to avoid taxes?
[2017-02-13 00:17:18] MikeHunt : i do part time labor everynow and again and many ppl just love to throw away junk
[2017-02-13 00:17:28] MikeHunt : i take all of it and throw away what ever aint worth flogging
[2017-02-13 00:17:31] MikeHunt : or my time
[2017-02-13 00:17:41] Dynamix : rapidtrades: Nope, to get people to the website as its doing ads ;)
[2017-02-13 00:17:50] rapidtrades : wtf
[2017-02-13 00:18:02] Dynamix : http://prntscr.com/e7yxo0
[2017-02-13 00:18:11] rapidtrades : not gonna lie that's either the dumbest or the best idea I've ever heard
[2017-02-13 00:18:11] Dynamix : Those folders are ufll with videos lol
[2017-02-13 00:18:52] MikeHunt : bets knowledge is free
[2017-02-13 00:18:55] Dynamix : MikeHunt: Go to storages and shz ;)
[2017-02-13 00:18:55] MikeHunt : best*
[2017-02-13 00:19:20] rapidtrades : ads for what tho? what are u selllling
[2017-02-13 00:19:48] Dynamix : rapidtrades: You can sell anythign with ads
[2017-02-13 00:19:59] Dynamix : Dog shit, girl tampons , bitcoin physical coins ;)
[2017-02-13 00:20:13] MikeHunt : Dynamix: so ur directing ppl to other sites?
[2017-02-13 00:20:20] sleger : is it even worth a low life's time to do that ?
[2017-02-13 00:20:25] Dynamix : MikeHunt: My own site ;)
[2017-02-13 00:20:38] Dynamix : sleger: Huh ?
[2017-02-13 00:20:43] MikeHunt : Dynamix: are u selling ur own products or directing to others ppls via ads?
[2017-02-13 00:21:02] sleger : Dynamix: only low life scum would resort to that, is it even worth their own time ?
[2017-02-13 00:21:03] Dynamix : MikeHunt: I'm directing people to my own site with products from other places
[2017-02-13 00:21:09] Dynamix : And i just buy the product when the guy buys them
[2017-02-13 00:21:30] Dynamix : sleger: Lol why would that be ? Your local shop charges you 200-300% extra on their items
[2017-02-13 00:21:36] Dynamix : and u dont say shit to them :P
[2017-02-13 00:21:48] sleger : how much do you make per hour you spent on this ?
[2017-02-13 00:22:01] Dynamix : sleger: Man its like passive
[2017-02-13 00:22:09] Dynamix : so once I set up the ad and money comes its easy
[2017-02-13 00:22:09] zanza : i make about $3.50
[2017-02-13 00:22:09] MikeHunt : not much then
[2017-02-13 00:22:29] Dynamix : Lol you can scale and get $200-500 per day from 1 product ;)
[2017-02-13 00:22:36] Dynamix : havent u seen fb ads products ?
[2017-02-13 00:22:40] Dynamix : with 1-2k Likes ? :P
[2017-02-13 00:22:41] sleger : you "can" so why dont you
[2017-02-13 00:22:44] Dynamix : they are banking hard
[2017-02-13 00:22:51] Dynamix : Just stfu couse I am haha
[2017-02-13 00:23:07] sleger : doesnt seem like it
[2017-02-13 00:23:14] Dynamix : sleger: What do you do then ? ;)
[2017-02-13 00:23:24] sleger : i trade
[2017-02-13 00:23:29] rapidtrades : he just said he made 200 pounds total
[2017-02-13 00:23:32] Dynamix : Trading gets boorign af
[2017-02-13 00:23:50] sleger : i manage a portfolio of hft
[2017-02-13 00:23:50] Dynamix : rapidtrades: Yeah around that, but going to scale once I get more $$$ :P
[2017-02-13 00:23:54] sleger : not boring no
[2017-02-13 00:24:12] Dynamix : Oh , fair enough ... For me trading gets booring af sometimes just watching charts and numbers
[2017-02-13 00:24:27] Dynamix : eye can get fucked
[2017-02-13 00:24:32] Dynamix : eyes*
[2017-02-13 00:25:21] sleger : 200 pounds for a few days/weeks worth of work
[2017-02-13 00:25:24] sleger : good luck....
[2017-02-13 00:25:31] sleger : hope you dont eat too much
[2017-02-13 00:25:40] rapidtrades : 90% of the time trading is boring for me
[2017-02-13 00:25:48] rapidtrades : but i guess that's true for very job
[2017-02-13 00:26:15] rapidtrades : every*
[2017-02-13 00:26:45] MikeHunt : maintaining HFT's could be fun thou
[2017-02-13 00:26:50] MikeHunt : constantly tweaking to make em better
[2017-02-13 00:26:59] rapidtrades : my goal is to automate everything this year
[2017-02-13 00:27:23] sleger : you said the same 6-9 months ago ? how much progress you made ?
[2017-02-13 00:27:36] rapidtrades : im at half
[2017-02-13 00:27:46] sleger : you installed python ?
[2017-02-13 00:27:56] rapidtrades : learning python takes a lot more time then expected
[2017-02-13 00:28:06] rapidtrades : sleger: yes ofc
[2017-02-13 00:28:26] sleger : thought that was your half mark
[2017-02-13 00:28:43] rapidtrades : half of that book
[2017-02-13 00:29:13] sleger : you should go ahead and learn on the go
[2017-02-13 00:29:26] MikeHunt : sleger: +1
[2017-02-13 00:29:45] MikeHunt : i learnt far more making my first game than just following tutorials
[2017-02-13 00:30:44] rapidtrades : problem is googling for answers only gets us so far
[2017-02-13 00:31:16] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: what u trying to do?
[2017-02-13 00:33:04] rapidtrades : few things...first automate by current systems two create mm bots and see how that does three create some algos for backtesting and collecting data
[2017-02-13 00:34:20] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: u tried getting a sample bot to play with?
[2017-02-13 00:34:54] rapidtrades : yes i got it, still grappling with that the code does
[2017-02-13 00:35:15] rapidtrades : i wasn't that far in the book :)
[2017-02-13 00:36:12] rapidtrades : googleing is not very useful when u don't have the basics down i think
[2017-02-13 00:36:47] MikeHunt : im thinking about making a total command station in C#
[2017-02-13 00:37:15] MikeHunt : more automation
[2017-02-13 00:37:17] micmix : yeah, you have to understand at least variables, assignments, if/else and loops before google helps
[2017-02-13 00:37:22] MikeHunt : scanning news feedsfor blackswans etc.
[2017-02-13 00:37:42] micmix : oh, and functions with parameters
[2017-02-13 00:38:03] MikeHunt : learning programming is brutal but once u know 1 decent one ur set 4 life
[2017-02-13 00:38:38] rapidtrades : micmix: I've got everything down but assignments
[2017-02-13 00:39:15] sleger : rapidtrades: collecting market data should be your first objective
[2017-02-13 00:40:53] rapidtrades : sleger: so I have some by the time I finish the basics?
[2017-02-13 00:41:09] sleger : to start collecting data
[2017-02-13 00:41:27] sleger : you will never be able to run backtests before the time you start collecting data, unless you trust someone elses data
[2017-02-13 00:41:38] rapidtrades : right
[2017-02-13 00:41:49] rapidtrades : that's a good tip
[2017-02-13 00:41:53] MikeHunt : yarp
[2017-02-13 00:43:24] rapidtrades : i only need data for bitcoin sites because for forex and others I plan to stay on longer tfs
[2017-02-13 00:44:24] MikeHunt : u could try pinching data from charts
[2017-02-13 00:45:29] j8 : you can get historical trade data from most exchanges api, but not orderbook data
[2017-02-13 00:46:08] Dynamix : We going upp <3
[2017-02-13 00:46:45] rapidtrades : so what do i need for this....a bot to access the API and collect the data/
[2017-02-13 00:47:06] rapidtrades : how big is it gonna be? do i need to rent storage
[2017-02-13 00:47:18] Sultan Pepper : Dynamix: yep, a little. Then down a little. Then up a little. Then down a little
[2017-02-13 00:47:56] Dynamix : Sultan Pepper: myhh
[2017-02-13 00:48:08] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: depends how much u wanna collect
[2017-02-13 00:48:33] MikeHunt : u could potentially stream it to save space
[2017-02-13 00:48:50] MikeHunt : for whats available via API
[2017-02-13 00:48:54] rapidtrades : idk u tell me, how much data do i need for backtesting mm bots
[2017-02-13 00:49:44] rapidtrades : I have to record the orderbook every few sec i imagine
[2017-02-13 00:50:30] MikeHunt : once u know the number of characters and the time interval
[2017-02-13 00:50:33] MikeHunt : ull have a good idea of how much
[2017-02-13 00:51:00] rapidtrades : ok guess i gotta make the bot first then worry about storage
[2017-02-13 00:51:06] j8 : mm is probably a lot harder to backtest than other strategies, because yeah you need orderbook data and it's hard to ignore the effect of your orders
[2017-02-13 00:51:22] rapidtrades : exact
[2017-02-13 00:51:58] Adriana : Looks like the Chinese are mass migrating to BTC-E. It has more volume than finex now
[2017-02-13 00:52:20] rapidtrades : are u sure that's not from betting
[2017-02-13 00:53:10] rapidtrades : they introduced betting today and ppl are manipulating the market so they win their bets
[2017-02-13 00:54:38] MikeHunt : i'd like to see more bets here
[2017-02-13 00:54:52] MikeHunt : especially regarding political stuff
[2017-02-13 00:55:07] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: https://www.wealth-lab.com/Forum/Posts/Hard-drive-size-requirements-for-backtesting-on-large-data-sets-31375
[2017-02-13 00:55:23] sleger : rapidtrades: for btc if you have 1tb you're set for a while
[2017-02-13 00:55:29] rapidtrades : are there any free bots for scrapping data I can take a look at
[2017-02-13 00:55:33] sleger : storage NOT an issue
[2017-02-13 00:56:03] rapidtrades : i don't but it won't cost much to rent that or buy a portable hd
[2017-02-13 00:56:43] sleger : i didnt think you'd have a ssd
[2017-02-13 00:57:27] rapidtrades : oh....do i need an ssd?
[2017-02-13 00:57:55] j8 : no
[2017-02-13 00:58:00] sleger : no
[2017-02-13 00:58:17] sleger : but how is it possible to NOT have a ssd AND not 1tb ??
[2017-02-13 00:58:35] rapidtrades : how? i have a small portable laptop that's how
[2017-02-13 00:58:45] sleger : from the 90s
[2017-02-13 00:58:55] sleger : thats why bitmex is slow for you
[2017-02-13 00:59:06] rapidtrades : its slow for a lot of ppl
[2017-02-13 00:59:13] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: does ur laptop have a removable disk drive?
[2017-02-13 00:59:16] sleger : only seen you complain
[2017-02-13 00:59:23] j8 : i complained too
[2017-02-13 00:59:39] j8 : and then sam got me to send him a javascript cpu profile
[2017-02-13 00:59:39] sleger : still ?
[2017-02-13 00:59:44] rapidtrades : this is like the 2nd worst site in terms of slowness
[2017-02-13 00:59:53] rapidtrades : after bitfinex
[2017-02-13 00:59:56] j8 : and there are optimizations coming soon (tm)
[2017-02-13 00:59:57] sleger : it used to use a lot of cpu
[2017-02-13 01:00:04] sleger : but never slow unless liq were happening
[2017-02-13 01:00:10] sleger : but that was the engine, not the site
[2017-02-13 01:00:16] sleger : it's always been fast for me
[2017-02-13 01:00:25] sleger : on a macbook pro i7
[2017-02-13 01:00:30] Sultan Pepper : Overclock that bish!
[2017-02-13 01:00:44] j8 : it was fine and then recently it was really bad. now it seems possibly better
[2017-02-13 01:00:53] Sultan Pepper : i5 running at 4.8ghz here
[2017-02-13 01:01:10] rapidtrades : it's just bad choise from the get go, u can't use web browsers for trading
[2017-02-13 01:01:25] sleger : i use chome and macos obv
[2017-02-13 01:01:30] rapidtrades : it has to be standalone client
[2017-02-13 01:01:32] sleger : no issue
[2017-02-13 01:01:38] j8 : i agree, i will be trading browser free soon
[2017-02-13 01:01:39] Adriana : rapidtrades: one of the possible reasons. But I think BTC-E is a pretty logical choice for a migration. One of the shadiest and simultaneously repute exchanges
[2017-02-13 01:01:49] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: whats ur laptop make/model?
[2017-02-13 01:02:03] sleger : but even on win7 chrome no issue
[2017-02-13 01:02:27] rapidtrades : i7 is top of the line for laptops, that can't be used as a benchmark
[2017-02-13 01:02:52] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: rapidtrades: whats ur laptop make/model?
[2017-02-13 01:02:54] rapidtrades : sotfware needs to be optimized for 2-3 years old hardware at a minimum
[2017-02-13 01:02:59] Sultan Pepper : Which i7?
[2017-02-13 01:03:29] MikeHunt : unless he tells us what hes got there is no way to no how shit it is
[2017-02-13 01:03:44] rapidtrades : it's pretty shit, not denying that
[2017-02-13 01:03:54] rapidtrades : but still almost all sites are faster then bitmex
[2017-02-13 01:03:59] micmix : right now I'm on old Core 2, Win 7 with Chrome and have no issues. but I have chart disabled
[2017-02-13 01:04:04] Sultan Pepper : I7s have been around for yeeears
[2017-02-13 01:04:24] rapidtrades : Sultan Pepper: and they're still expensive
[2017-02-13 01:04:44] rapidtrades : most i7 laptops that don't weigh a ton are +1k
[2017-02-13 01:05:03] Sultan Pepper : Oh I know, but new ones eat old ones alive
[2017-02-13 01:05:31] rapidtrades : micmix: how do u have chart disabled?
[2017-02-13 01:05:37] micmix : Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 @ 2.8 GHz
[2017-02-13 01:05:46] sleger : rapidtrades: you reduce it
[2017-02-13 01:05:55] micmix : rapidtrades: switch to advanced layout and reduce it
[2017-02-13 01:06:04] rapidtrades : that's similar to mine.....whats ur CPU usage right now?
[2017-02-13 01:06:10] micmix : resize the chart to the min size
[2017-02-13 01:06:17] Sultan Pepper : like I said, my i5 4690k runs at 4.8ghz
[2017-02-13 01:06:19] rapidtrades : advanced is way too laggy for me
[2017-02-13 01:06:36] micmix : 5%-10% CPU usage
[2017-02-13 01:06:39] sleger : i am at 5% and runing kodi on external screen
[2017-02-13 01:06:56] micmix : you have something else eating resources @rapidtrades
[2017-02-13 01:07:09] Sultan Pepper : Porn
[2017-02-13 01:07:17] sleger : you know there are ways to know what is using your cpu,... @rapidtrades
[2017-02-13 01:07:21] Sultan Pepper : porn links
[2017-02-13 01:07:27] Sultan Pepper : porn saves
[2017-02-13 01:07:36] Sultan Pepper : porn downloads
[2017-02-13 01:07:41] rapidtrades : impossible, its the only tab in forefox and it uses the most CPU and memory
[2017-02-13 01:07:42] Sultan Pepper : porn related hacks
[2017-02-13 01:07:45] Adriana : There is a talk in Russian trollbox on BTCE-e now, that a lot of new bots started running within last 24 hours. People think that they are mostly Chinese
[2017-02-13 01:08:03] rapidtrades : they'er not bots, they're betting walls
[2017-02-13 01:08:11] micmix : rapidtrades: swithc to chrome, I can't use firefox with bitmex on this old pc
[2017-02-13 01:08:29] rapidtrades : that helps but it still uses a lot of cpu @micmix
[2017-02-13 01:08:51] micmix : firefox eats 50-60% CPU compared to Chrome 5-10%
[2017-02-13 01:09:18] j8 : i few days ago my bitmex tab was taking 80-120% cpu, with nothing else running. it's a 2 year old i7. now it's showing like 25%
[2017-02-13 01:09:44] Nutella : hi
[2017-02-13 01:10:03] micmix : rapidtrades: switch to Chrome, advanced layout doesn't lag in Chrome, then minimize the chart
[2017-02-13 01:10:04] Nutella : price not move
[2017-02-13 01:10:11] Nutella : no many :(
[2017-02-13 01:10:22] YOLOCOIN : boat
[2017-02-13 01:11:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 1900 @ 6656.2
[2017-02-13 01:11:25] Sultan Pepper : What was that?
[2017-02-13 01:11:27] micmix : Nutella: price will move soon
[2017-02-13 01:11:59] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: check ur power management settings
[2017-02-13 01:12:57] rapidtrades : micmix: my CPU and memory usage exploded until advanced...now how do i kill the chart
[2017-02-13 01:13:10] rapidtrades : under*
[2017-02-13 01:13:19] sleger : rapidtrades: resize down
[2017-02-13 01:13:30] sleger : make it tiny tiny like your wee wee
[2017-02-13 01:13:31] micmix : rapidtrades: drag it to the bottom, then resize to min size
[2017-02-13 01:13:39] -_- : bbands tight on lower time frame
[2017-02-13 01:13:41] sleger : micmix: thats what I said
[2017-02-13 01:13:56] micmix : sleger: you type faster ;-)
[2017-02-13 01:14:06] sleger : must be the i7
[2017-02-13 01:14:22] micmix : robot hands :smile:
[2017-02-13 01:15:36] micmix : I have monster desktop but I'm too lazy to go upstairs to the office lol
[2017-02-13 01:15:49] rapidtrades : no it definitely uses most resources under advanced
[2017-02-13 01:16:03] rapidtrades : even with chart minimize
[2017-02-13 01:16:06] micmix : even with chart disabled?
[2017-02-13 01:16:10] micmix : weird
[2017-02-13 01:16:57] Dynamix : Up we goo
[2017-02-13 01:17:05] micmix : rapidtrades: try Ctrl+F5 to reload
[2017-02-13 01:17:22] micmix : after disabling the chart
[2017-02-13 01:17:24] rapidtrades : i tried
[2017-02-13 01:17:44] rapidtrades : f5
[2017-02-13 01:18:43] j8 : oh i forgot, you need more than 0.1 btc deposited to unlock high performance mode
[2017-02-13 01:18:57] j8 : that's gotta be it
[2017-02-13 01:19:12] rapidtrades : must be
[2017-02-13 01:20:01] micmix : idk what to say, your CPU should be fine. I have 20+ tabs in firefox, chrome with bitmex and cryptowatch, Outlook, Visual Studio, 2 remote desktop sessions right now and no issues...
[2017-02-13 01:20:37] rapidtrades : wtf
[2017-02-13 01:20:37] micmix : and this Core 2 thing is 8 years old I think
[2017-02-13 01:20:57] rapidtrades : i have a signle tab open right now
[2017-02-13 01:21:30] sleger : maybe try to open more tabs
[2017-02-13 01:21:36] sleger : or replace your 56K modem
[2017-02-13 01:22:20] sleger : or try uninstall reinstall your firefox/chrome
[2017-02-13 01:22:21] micmix : open task manager, Processes tab, click "Show processes from all users" and sort by CPU. you might have something else eating all your CPU
[2017-02-13 01:22:34] sleger : he said its firefox
[2017-02-13 01:23:14] rapidtrades : micmix: i know :)
[2017-02-13 01:23:18] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: tell us ur laptop make n model
[2017-02-13 01:23:32] rapidtrades : NO
[2017-02-13 01:23:47] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: lol u troll
[2017-02-13 01:24:08] rapidtrades : its similar to micmix but mine is AMD
[2017-02-13 01:24:22] rapidtrades : so that explains the shit performance i guess
[2017-02-13 01:24:27] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: amd i7 sure its not amd k7 ?
[2017-02-13 01:24:28] sleger : might use more electricity than its worth
[2017-02-13 01:24:30] micmix : AMD CPUs were much slower
[2017-02-13 01:24:44] rapidtrades : i hate AMD
[2017-02-13 01:25:08] micmix : than Intel 7-8 years ago
[2017-02-13 01:25:24] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: amd dont make i7, u buy from choyna?
[2017-02-13 01:25:31] rapidtrades : i think my laptop is 5y old tops
[2017-02-13 01:26:09] MikeHunt : My cpu is 6 yrs old and still benches near a 6700k
[2017-02-13 01:26:26] micmix : but CPU model is most likely 6-7 years old, so it is much slower than my Intel Core 2
[2017-02-13 01:26:30] sleger : yes but like you its used to bend over @MikeHunt
[2017-02-13 01:26:36] rapidtrades : micmix: maybe
[2017-02-13 01:27:17] sleger : rapidtrades: if trading is where you hope to make money you should have at least half decent gear
[2017-02-13 01:27:37] rapidtrades : 'hope to make money'
[2017-02-13 01:27:49] rapidtrades : I already make my money here bish
[2017-02-13 01:28:01] sleger : so you could afford a not 8 y old laptop ?
[2017-02-13 01:28:28] rapidtrades : ofc i can....i spend a lot more then that on travel etc
[2017-02-13 01:28:51] sleger : yes but you should invest in your bread and butter
[2017-02-13 01:29:02] rapidtrades : maybe
[2017-02-13 01:29:06] sleger : if you make money like that spend a bit to have a half decent setup
[2017-02-13 01:29:18] sleger : how much did you lose becuase of those latencies ?
[2017-02-13 01:29:35] sleger : in the grand scheme of things hardware is nothing
[2017-02-13 01:29:47] rapidtrades : hard to say....i only need speed for the arbs and its not clear that they are +EV longterm
[2017-02-13 01:30:10] rapidtrades : it could be just taking on counter-party risk
[2017-02-13 01:30:38] micmix : agree with sleger, hardware cost is nothing. my main problem with upgrading is the time it takes to customize the OS and install everything I use
[2017-02-13 01:30:56] rapidtrades : i mostly trade longterm so I need minimal hardware
[2017-02-13 01:31:01] sleger : micmix: not with mac os, for your home setup
[2017-02-13 01:31:23] sleger : otherwise on things like centos its easy to reinstall everything
[2017-02-13 01:31:33] sleger : including os config, core assignment etc
[2017-02-13 01:32:10] micmix : I know but I use Windows for dev, nothing beats Visual Studio for C++ debugging
[2017-02-13 01:32:58] sleger : micmix: sublime for c++
[2017-02-13 01:33:30] micmix : not the same. VS has debugger, profiler, thread monitoring etc.
[2017-02-13 01:33:43] micmix : sublime is just an editor
[2017-02-13 01:34:17] sleger : yes but if you use c++ for perf then why use windows
[2017-02-13 01:34:53] sleger : hft usually run algos in c++ but on linux with cpu assignment etc...
[2017-02-13 01:35:04] micmix : I use Windows for dev only, deployment on centos
[2017-02-13 01:35:50] micmix : portable code using Boost runs on both platforms, I prefer Windows for dev and debugging
[2017-02-13 01:36:30] sleger : only works if you use windows compatible everywhere
[2017-02-13 01:36:35] sleger : posix wouldnt work for example
[2017-02-13 01:37:09] sleger : we use some low level OS calls that wouldnt run on windows
[2017-02-13 01:39:22] micmix : I know but most libraries I use are portable, and it's easier for me to do most dev and debug on Windows, and testing/fixing on the target OS after that. Maybe I'm just used to Visual Studio after 15+ years
[2017-02-13 01:39:48] micmix : ok, gotta run, talk to you later
[2017-02-13 01:39:52] sleger : yes i agree vs is convenient
[2017-02-13 01:39:57] sleger : bye
[2017-02-13 01:48:00] -_- : bitfinex and stamp got buyers like crazy
[2017-02-13 01:48:42] MikeHunt : -_-: trying to hold on to 1k
[2017-02-13 01:49:43] Dynamix : Bfx going uppp mad
[2017-02-13 01:52:56] Sultan Pepper : It went up a little. Here even less...
[2017-02-13 01:53:28] Sultan Pepper : Down on swap
[2017-02-13 01:55:18] Sultan Pepper : Dynamix: did you hit it?
[2017-02-13 01:56:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 1500 @ 986.66
[2017-02-13 01:56:13] JT : things are happening
[2017-02-13 01:56:48] Dynamix : That spiike
[2017-02-13 01:57:12] Dynamix : Moon ? time
[2017-02-13 01:57:59] Sultan Pepper : :rolleyes:
[2017-02-13 01:58:02] MikeHunt : been a few spikes like that already
[2017-02-13 01:58:11] YOLOCOIN : nog
[2017-02-13 01:58:28] Sultan Pepper : Boat?
[2017-02-13 01:58:31] Sultan Pepper : nog?
[2017-02-13 01:58:46] Sultan Pepper : Wtf yolocoin?
[2017-02-13 02:01:54] JT : bears trying to keep it below 1k
[2017-02-13 02:09:12] Ugly_Old_Goat : Time to start selling perp against long march and collect funding'
[2017-02-13 02:09:54] MikeHunt : i suspect chinese wanna buy up cheap on okc in 10 days so crash west in mean time
[2017-02-13 02:09:57] MikeHunt : /conspiracy
[2017-02-13 02:22:16] BitBIT : hello guys
[2017-02-13 02:22:31] BitBIT : good day
[2017-02-13 02:23:09] Sultan Pepper : Hey pal
[2017-02-13 02:24:11] MikeHunt : wazza
[2017-02-13 02:27:59] Dynamix : I got wntries at 985 977 and 965 can i go to bed ?
[2017-02-13 02:28:04] Dynamix : hehe
[2017-02-13 02:28:14] Dynamix : all my moneyz in positions lel
[2017-02-13 02:31:48] MikeHunt : leng or shert?
[2017-02-13 02:32:39] Dynamix : Longs
[2017-02-13 02:33:19] -_- : new money hitting exchanges soon
[2017-02-13 02:33:30] MikeHunt : Dynamix: well if there low lvg u shud b fine