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[2015-11-09 04:37:49] Swedishnut : outliers by malcom gladwell is a good read for this situation
[2015-11-09 04:37:53] mikeh : lately... weird how this chat keeps cutting out
[2015-11-09 04:38:37] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Swedishnut: I'll find a copy and come back when the price has changed by $100 ;)
[2015-11-09 04:38:41] Swedishnut : this might be one of the few places to predict and win btc so ddos is likely where money is involved
[2015-11-09 04:40:05] ohmannomma : again a dodgy liquidation
[2015-11-09 04:40:20] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : ohmannomma: Again, email support
[2015-11-09 04:40:34] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Although they can not teach you to manage risk
[2015-11-09 04:40:52] Swedishnut : I told my church how to use btc for missionaries and they are having me set it up this week. pretty excited to see the congregation stumle around and buy to send to those they pray for
[2015-11-09 04:41:10] ohmannomma : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: no email support.. it must not happen
[2015-11-09 04:41:11] Swedishnut : qr code w pic and a goal
[2015-11-09 04:41:25] ohmannomma : im not this site's accountant..
[2015-11-09 04:42:14] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : 5 minute cup and handle anyone? lol
[2015-11-09 04:43:35] Swedishnut : 7 Deadly Sins on Netflix is worth watching btw
[2015-11-09 04:44:31] Murch : lol I think cup and handles follow rises
[2015-11-09 04:45:04] Murch : But I see the shape you're talking about
[2015-11-09 04:45:28] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: Oh yeah. My bad
[2015-11-09 04:45:44] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : It was sort of a joke though just because people see them everywhere
[2015-11-09 04:46:12] Murch : Oh ahah I gotcha yeah people fitting all sorts of crazy stuff on r/bitcoinmarkets
[2015-11-09 04:46:33] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Yep haha
[2015-11-09 04:47:00] Murch : I don't think I've ever seen a valid cup and handle play on BTC it's weird
[2015-11-09 04:47:06] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Out of my long. Should have closed that one earlier
[2015-11-09 04:47:23] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Should have never opened it. Should have shorted lol
[2015-11-09 04:47:26] Murch : Ouch yeah I'm in one now that I should have closed
[2015-11-09 04:48:22] Murch : Yep had to sell there :(
[2015-11-09 04:48:24] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: You still can unless you think it's going to bounce
[2015-11-09 04:48:27] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : :(*
[2015-11-09 04:48:54] Murch : I do think it's going to bounce I just positioned myself terribly
[2015-11-09 04:49:39] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: Me too. It happens
[2015-11-09 04:49:43] Murch : Well shit
[2015-11-09 04:49:48] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Wish this was still around but it's archived
[2015-11-09 04:49:48] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : https://web.archive.org/web/20150413081508/http://www.coinion.com/
[2015-11-09 04:49:52] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : If you want a laugh
[2015-11-09 04:50:47] floopfloop : time to cash out the short?
[2015-11-09 04:51:02] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : floopfloop: Sounds good to me
[2015-11-09 04:51:14] Murch : looool BITCOIN EXCHANGE LEGITXCHANGE.RU DISAPPEARS
[2015-11-09 04:51:20] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Hahaha I know
[2015-11-09 04:51:21] Swedishnut : 50.7% is pretty good
[2015-11-09 04:51:30] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Swedishnut: Nice
[2015-11-09 04:55:07] Murch : gonna try to buy in here
[2015-11-09 04:55:41] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: One step ahead of you :) Let's hope this one works
[2015-11-09 04:55:53] Murch : Yep yep
[2015-11-09 05:00:18] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: Might have to get out again :(
[2015-11-09 05:00:28] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Holding on for now
[2015-11-09 05:05:27] Murch : Good call man
[2015-11-09 05:06:06] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: Thanks. Not totally free yet though
[2015-11-09 05:06:59] Murch : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: Market seems to be acting bullish again. We'll see
[2015-11-09 05:08:02] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: Sounds good to me
[2015-11-09 05:24:15] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Still holding strong Murch?
[2015-11-09 05:24:57] Murch : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: Yup, this is an annoying position
[2015-11-09 05:25:09] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: It is. Really testing my patience haha
[2015-11-09 05:25:18] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : I think I'm looking at a higher low though
[2015-11-09 05:25:44] Murch : Yep me too. Gonna set some alarms and eat dinner
[2015-11-09 05:26:33] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: Have a good dinner
[2015-11-09 05:26:44] Murch : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: Thanks man, I'll talk to you later
[2015-11-09 06:35:52] dorothy490 : hmmm
[2015-11-09 06:36:00] dorothy490 : ADMIIIINS!
[2015-11-09 06:37:56] floopfloop : ?
[2015-11-09 06:42:18] dorothy490 : does big market makers have access to the orders of other users?
[2015-11-09 06:42:30] dorothy490 : seems like that filthy marker maker front running me
[2015-11-09 06:42:33] dorothy490 : 2 times
[2015-11-09 06:42:55] SnackyCoins : everyone has access to the orders 8)
[2015-11-09 06:43:01] SnackyCoins : they're in the book right there
[2015-11-09 06:43:20] dorothy490 : talking about market orders
[2015-11-09 06:43:51] SnackyCoins : don't market close. those bots are whipping in and out nonstop, just look at the orderbook dance around
[2015-11-09 06:44:06] dorothy490 : I did 2 market orders looking at the nearest ask and typing exactly that ask & amount. and 2 times before execution asks was filled just before me for the amount I wanted
[2015-11-09 06:44:53] floopfloop : dorothy490: would you like some cheese?
[2015-11-09 06:45:00] dorothy490 : seems like fronrunning is in place. or there was 2 coincident cases
[2015-11-09 06:45:27] SnackyCoins : did you look in the recent trades?
[2015-11-09 06:45:36] floopfloop : dorothy490: Would you like some cheese?
[2015-11-09 06:45:42] dorothy490 : some exchanges allow market maker access to the other user market order execution so they can decide if they want frontrun this user
[2015-11-09 06:46:16] dorothy490 : yes I did and I was watching ask, typed that ask & amount, pressed button, 1 sec lag, and I see that my order becoems bid. 2 times
[2015-11-09 06:46:31] SnackyCoins : when the market moves, people eat orders and they get pulled quick. it is not very liquid
[2015-11-09 06:46:51] SnackyCoins : that happens to me all the time.. not odd
[2015-11-09 06:46:56] dorothy490 : I I had 2 coincidences hence my question
[2015-11-09 06:47:13] floopfloop : so much whining
[2015-11-09 06:47:16] dorothy490 : SnackyCoins: it jsut adds suspicion that they're frontrunning
[2015-11-09 06:48:10] SnackyCoins : yeah. i don't think it's happening.
[2015-11-09 06:49:34] floopfloop : dorothy490: go to okcoin, I am sure there will be no problems there
[2015-11-09 06:50:12] SnackyCoins : wordfilter makes it sound mean lol
[2015-11-09 06:50:37] BitMEX_Wally : Hey guys
[2015-11-09 06:50:43] BitMEX_Wally : Market makers cannot front run anyone
[2015-11-09 06:51:02] dorothy490 : floopfloop: whats wrong with you.? you prefer "close your eyes" on that case, if it's appear real?
[2015-11-09 06:52:09] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: Please email details to support@bitmex.com
[2015-11-09 06:52:27] floopfloop : dorothy490: LOL @ appear real
[2015-11-09 06:52:36] floopfloop : 2 times. Must be rigged.
[2015-11-09 06:53:04] floopfloop : SnackyCoins: i didnt know about that word for the filter. That is hilarious
[2015-11-09 06:54:38] SnackyCoins : i mean it all comes down to who do you trust with your money. you can either trust the hunks of bitmex, or this guy http://i.imgur.com/zlcvnTF.jpg
[2015-11-09 06:55:28] SnackyCoins : easy choice for me 8)
[2015-11-09 06:57:11] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: I see that at 2015.11.09 06:35:27 the offer was 5000 @ 368.53. This offer was canceled at 2015.11.09 06:35:34. Then at 06:35:36 you submitted a buy 3500 @ 368.53
[2015-11-09 06:58:16] dorothy490 : these 2 orders 2015-11-09 09:41:59 2015-11-09 09:35:36
[2015-11-09 06:58:32] dorothy490 : ok perhaps its slow updating of the recent trades/orderbook
[2015-11-09 06:59:00] floopfloop : SnackyCoins: exacltly. People are always looking for a reason to bitch
[2015-11-09 07:00:09] dorothy490 : floopfloop: several exchanges really suspectable of fronrunning ITBIT even has it stated somewhere in their policies
[2015-11-09 07:01:45] dorothy490 : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/358wcb/itbits_exchange_allows_frontrunning/
[2015-11-09 07:03:04] SnackyCoins : shit pretty craycray in bitcoinland
[2015-11-09 07:03:22] BitMEX_Wally : We publish all order book and trade data in real time over the WebSocket, so it would be very obvious if a market maker was able to cancel a quote 1 millisecond before a user submitted order
[2015-11-09 07:03:40] SnackyCoins : I am trying really hard not to shill CFD right now :P
[2015-11-09 07:04:32] BitMEX_Wally : CFD means that you're betting against the house and the house gets to charge you the spread and push the price around to liquidate you?
[2015-11-09 07:05:26] SnackyCoins : Yeah, it's not good trading :P just low hanging reflink fruit, but I don't wish to pollute the channel :)
[2015-11-09 07:05:39] SnackyCoins : also I want the liquidity to stay ;)
[2015-11-09 07:06:22] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : SnackyCoins: That sounds like OKCoin to me :p
[2015-11-09 07:06:51] laisee : no need for CFD, OKC offers all those 'features'.
[2015-11-09 07:06:58] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : laisee: Exactly
[2015-11-09 07:07:14] SnackyCoins : lol yeah you can play against the house at okc too ;)
[2015-11-09 07:07:45] SnackyCoins : right click -> margincall user
[2015-11-09 07:08:53] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : SnackyCoins: Pretty much
[2015-11-09 07:09:37] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : "Yes it wasn't exact, but it was close enough to your margin call price by our super special calculations"
[2015-11-09 07:10:43] SnackyCoins : futures don't even settle to index over there
[2015-11-09 07:10:56] SnackyCoins : i could have swore they used to
[2015-11-09 07:11:05] SnackyCoins : but either way they don't now
[2015-11-09 07:11:13] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : SnackyCoins: I've heard. I tried it briefly before noticing how rigged it seems
[2015-11-09 07:11:43] SnackyCoins : yeah i quit playing okc btc futures long ago
[2015-11-09 07:12:47] SnackyCoins : ltc is not as bad
[2015-11-09 07:13:28] laisee : I prefer casinos with free drinks, buffet and a show.
[2015-11-09 07:13:32] SnackyCoins : more leverage on ltc here 8)
[2015-11-09 07:14:16] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : SnackyCoins: Liquidity though :(
[2015-11-09 07:14:48] SnackyCoins : it's getting better
[2015-11-09 07:15:30] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : It's a bummer that OKC is good at faking liquidity because everyone trades there and honest exchanges like BitMEX don't attract the same number of customers because of their honesty
[2015-11-09 07:15:52] SnackyCoins : i mean, it's gotten temporarily worse, but that's just the market at the moment (same story everywhere)
[2015-11-09 07:16:21] laisee : keeps building here, which is nice
[2015-11-09 07:16:38] SnackyCoins : yep, having maker/taker fees gets rid of wash trading while still being attractive to MM's
[2015-11-09 07:16:52] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : It's definitely getting better here. I'm not going anywhere else
[2015-11-09 07:17:08] laisee : anyways - dealing with liquidity is part of trading IMHO. No such thing as a free (liquid) lunch.
[2015-11-09 07:17:29] SnackyCoins : yep it comes and goes
[2015-11-09 07:17:39] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : laisee: That's a good point. If you can't handle lower liquidity than you may not have be planning trades well
[2015-11-09 07:17:58] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Something I need to work on for sure :p
[2015-11-09 07:18:01] SnackyCoins : also i mean we just had a huge rally
[2015-11-09 07:18:04] SnackyCoins : rekt a lot of people
[2015-11-09 07:18:09] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : SnackyCoins: Yep
[2015-11-09 07:18:54] SnackyCoins : $3 used to be the one big move of the day, now there's multiple $20 moves daily
[2015-11-09 07:19:09] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : How would a market maker deal with high volatility other than widening their spread? It seems like it would be easy to get stuck in a losing position with no recourse?
[2015-11-09 07:19:19] SnackyCoins : thats pretty much it
[2015-11-09 07:20:24] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Would a market maker program be wise to take a loss by closing into the book to prevent a larger loss
[2015-11-09 07:20:24] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : ?
[2015-11-09 07:20:31] laisee : Did some work b4 on trading 3rd wold debt. Traders would spend all day looking for enough lliquidity to get in/out of positions. BTC is easier than that ...
[2015-11-09 07:21:16] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : laisee: Wow. I mean I didn't imagine BTC was the most illiquid market but that sounds extremely challenging
[2015-11-09 07:21:42] laisee : quite tough, but very profitable.
[2015-11-09 07:22:36] SnackyCoins : real-world shitcoins, lol
[2015-11-09 07:22:42] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : SnackyCoins: hahaha
[2015-11-09 07:23:25] laisee : yeah, some of them were ...
[2015-11-09 07:23:29] BitMEX_Wally : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: A market maker can widen their spread, skew their quotes, and hedge with spot
[2015-11-09 07:24:07] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Wally: I imagine skewing is just quoting one side wider than the other, right? And how would hedging with spot work?
[2015-11-09 07:24:26] BitMEX_Wally : If a market maker is short future he can go and buy spot
[2015-11-09 07:24:35] BitMEX_Wally : So he can reduce his net exposure
[2015-11-09 07:25:10] BitMEX_Wally : Then if the price goes up he will make money on the spot position to cover the losses on the future
[2015-11-09 07:25:17] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Wally: Ohh got it, and since a market maker is only trying to capture the spread, hedging doesn't nullify the profit
[2015-11-09 07:25:47] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, a market maker is not trying to take a position in any particular direction
[2015-11-09 07:26:31] billyboy402 : why is tradeblock index price 372 but the xbt price is 367?
[2015-11-09 07:26:32] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Wally: Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation
[2015-11-09 07:26:50] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : billyboy402: Where do you see the xbt price?
[2015-11-09 07:27:12] BitMEX_Wally : billyboy402: Yes, I do not see 367
[2015-11-09 07:27:45] billyboy402 : nvm i had to refresh the page , seem like the price was right , but chat and xbt spot was lagging
[2015-11-09 07:31:21] floopfloop : BitMEX_Wally: hey
[2015-11-09 07:31:36] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Ok I'm just making bad decisions at this point. I will be content with my profit and get some rest
[2015-11-09 07:31:46] BitMEX_Wally : floopfloop: Hello
[2015-11-09 07:31:56] floopfloop : BitMEX_Wally: if I have 1.37 balance and .68 available with the difference in the withheld margin, is that still my balance?
[2015-11-09 07:32:16] floopfloop : BitMEX_Wally: withheld profit I should say
[2015-11-09 07:32:22] BitMEX_Wally : floopfloop: You can view a complete breakdown here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2015-11-09 07:32:42] floopfloop : yeah I know
[2015-11-09 07:32:43] BitMEX_Wally : Your total worth, i.e. equity is `Wallet Balance +/ Unrealised PNL`
[2015-11-09 07:32:54] floopfloop : ahhh ok
[2015-11-09 07:32:58] BitMEX_Wally : The withheld profit is yours, you just can't touch it
[2015-11-09 07:33:13] floopfloop : BitMEX_Wally: ok cool. just making sure
[2015-11-09 07:33:16] BitMEX_Wally : :)
[2015-11-09 08:08:15] podizzler3k : so the rally is officially over
[2015-11-09 08:08:25] podizzler3k : no more hopium? :(
[2015-11-09 08:14:44] dorothy490 : does profit on weekly+ futures adjustment adjusts on weekly basis or on daily?
[2015-11-09 08:23:31] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: Hi Wally! I noticed that I receive instrument state Closed followed by Open even though it's not settlement time yet. Does it indicate trading session end?
[2015-11-09 08:49:50] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: Yes, the instrument goes 'Closed' briefly after each 8 hour sesssion
[2015-11-09 08:50:31] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: that's what I thought, thanks
[2015-11-09 08:56:00] slavo : hi there. I was wondering if orders on xbt24h can be rolled over after contract expires
[2015-11-09 09:01:06] dorothy490 : BitMEX_Wally: I read yesterday that if I will be trading only via limit orders I'd get no comission? or I misunderstood?
[2015-11-09 09:03:32] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : There is no fee if you do not open or close a position into existing orders
[2015-11-09 09:04:10] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : So placing a limit ask above the highes bid or a limit bid below the lowest ask does not incur a fee
[2015-11-09 09:06:02] BitMEX_Wally : Correct :)
[2015-11-09 09:06:05] dorothy490 : flashing asks on XLT7D.. even though who cares :)
[2015-11-09 09:22:01] roymalmberg : BitMEX_Wally: "grossValue":239990, is this equal to volume?
[2015-11-09 09:22:36] BitMEX_Wally : grossValue is the cash value in the settlCurrency, i.e. `XBt`
[2015-11-09 09:22:38] BitMEX_Wally : (Satoshi)
[2015-11-09 09:23:06] roymalmberg : is that the value used for volume calculations aswell?
[2015-11-09 09:23:12] BitMEX_Wally : `volume` is the sum of contracts traded
[2015-11-09 09:23:20] BitMEX_Wally : `turnover` is the sum of value traded
[2015-11-09 09:24:27] roymalmberg : BitMEX_Wally: okay, the "size" would be number of contracts in a trade i would base volume on
[2015-11-09 09:24:31] roymalmberg : then*
[2015-11-09 09:24:38] roymalmberg : thank you
[2015-11-09 09:24:42] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2015-11-09 09:25:08] BitMEX_Wally : Unfortunately various standards have emerged but qty == size == volume (i.e. all measured in contracts)
[2015-11-09 09:25:37] BitMEX_Wally : value == turnover (i.e. all measured in Satoshis)
[2015-11-09 09:26:30] BitMEX_Wally : `homeNotional` is in the `underlying` (i.e. whole `XBT` or `XLT`)
[2015-11-09 09:26:44] BitMEX_Wally : `foreignNotional` is in the `quoteCurrency (i.e. whole `USD` or `XBT`)
[2015-11-09 09:30:15] roymalmberg : okay :)
[2015-11-09 10:02:45] amirmass : whats the minimum btc required to play in okcoin casino?
[2015-11-09 10:04:41] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : amirmass: All of it. They'll take no less :p
[2015-11-09 10:07:33] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : I think it's 0.001but I'm not sure. If you have an account look at the deposit section and it should tell you
[2015-11-09 10:51:35] justinlooking : mfw h16 trades 644
[2015-11-09 10:58:16] BitMEX_Wally : Very few contracts traded at that price
[2015-11-09 10:59:42] justinlooking : hi wally, is there some gigantic buy stop waiting to go off in H16?
[2015-11-09 10:59:54] justinlooking : if you stuck in a big enough offer, would the system fill it?
[2015-11-09 11:00:15] justinlooking : i've read the DPE page 5 times, cannot figure out wtf is going on...
[2015-11-09 11:02:06] dorothy490 : justinlooking: stops wouldnt be showing in the books
[2015-11-09 11:04:41] justinlooking : dorothy490: sure, but i believe it's a system stop
[2015-11-09 11:07:53] dorothy490 : you talking about 2500 contracts?
[2015-11-09 11:13:50] kogroken : wow, 45% DPE on H16 :/
[2015-11-09 11:14:17] BitMEX_Wally : justinlooking: Buy and sell stops are not shown in the book,
[2015-11-09 11:15:16] BitMEX_Wally : The system took over a large short position in XBTH16 that is at a loss. There is a bid for 27600 @ 467.69
[2015-11-09 11:16:06] BitMEX_Wally : If you fill this order the DPE will go to 0% :)
[2015-11-09 11:16:48] kogroken : Well, I rather take half the profits than close at a loss :P
[2015-11-09 11:17:45] BitMEX_Wally : XBT24H counts for 90% of our liquidity and XBT7D for 9% of our liquidity. No-one seems to want to trade XBTZ15 or XBTH16
[2015-11-09 11:18:36] kogroken : I guess they are for more patient traders.
[2015-11-09 11:18:57] kendang : BitMEX_Wally: can you tell us how many registered traders bitmex has?
[2015-11-09 11:19:13] BitMEX_Wally : Thousands
[2015-11-09 11:19:47] kogroken : Chinese quarterly futures used to be very thin too a year ago, now they are pretty liquid. Give it time :)
[2015-11-09 11:20:00] kendang : kogroken: on okcoin?
[2015-11-09 11:20:10] kogroken : yeah
[2015-11-09 11:20:43] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Wally: Do you plan to reduce trading costs for members with very high turnover? Like the usual bitcon markets do?
[2015-11-09 11:21:11] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : TschavaTschigger: It's already 0% fee for people adding liquidity to the book
[2015-11-09 11:21:46] podizzler3k : good morning usa
[2015-11-09 11:21:53] podizzler3k : moon liftoff?
[2015-11-09 11:22:10] habibi : hey guys
[2015-11-09 11:22:30] kogroken : It's banking day, so some dollars should hit the exchanges today.
[2015-11-09 11:22:38] Scottv53 : morning Folks!
[2015-11-09 11:22:49] podizzler3k : lets hope it happens in the next 35 minutes so 24hr settles nice and high
[2015-11-09 11:22:59] podizzler3k : next 20 minutes considering the time weight thing
[2015-11-09 11:23:03] kogroken : On the other hand, the auction coins should be sent out to winners today.
[2015-11-09 11:23:20] podizzler3k : kogroken those coins are always sat on historically
[2015-11-09 11:23:52] podizzler3k : would be quite random for someone to make an investment in bulk coins only to dump them for menial profit
[2015-11-09 11:24:22] kogroken : podizzler3k: Well, if a syndicate won the auction with a low bid, then the members would likely sell.
[2015-11-09 11:24:23] kendang : which auction coins are you talking about? silk road?
[2015-11-09 11:24:28] kogroken : At least some of them.
[2015-11-09 11:24:34] podizzler3k : yes the final silk road coins
[2015-11-09 11:24:37] kogroken : kendang: Yeah
[2015-11-09 11:24:55] habibi : https://blockchain.info/pl/address/1GVJSUUUfjm9BRQsM25NFtBHJoNfX5icGw still save and calm
[2015-11-09 11:25:05] kogroken : But if it's someone like Dapper, then it's likely they'll hold.
[2015-11-09 11:25:15] TschavaTschigger : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: I know, but that wasn't my question. I am asking if people with high turnover get better rates than people with low turnover.
[2015-11-09 11:25:16] habibi : wake up bitmex
[2015-11-09 11:25:17] podizzler3k : dapper?
[2015-11-09 11:25:27] podizzler3k : if youre talking about tim draper he said he didnt bid
[2015-11-09 11:25:28] habibi : tim dapper
[2015-11-09 11:25:34] kogroken : podizzler3k: The guy who won the first auction(s)
[2015-11-09 11:25:37] habibi : bought a bunch of coins in previous auctions
[2015-11-09 11:25:41] podizzler3k : yeah he didnt bid
[2015-11-09 11:25:46] kogroken : large investor guy.
[2015-11-09 11:25:53] podizzler3k : genesis trading group admitted they bid
[2015-11-09 11:25:57] podizzler3k : whoever they are
[2015-11-09 11:26:04] podizzler3k : and some one else came out i forget one sec
[2015-11-09 11:26:14] kogroken : true, but I meant the general type (large strong-handed investor)
[2015-11-09 11:26:55] podizzler3k : Genesis Trading Launches as First Broker-Dealer Specializing in Digital Currency Trading
[2015-11-09 11:27:01] podizzler3k : sounds like someone who would dump heh
[2015-11-09 11:27:49] podizzler3k : wow nice buys
[2015-11-09 11:28:00] podizzler3k : we're gonna end up exactly where we were 24hr ago
[2015-11-09 11:29:19] jung1 : I dont know. I have some strange feeling that dump is comming before '16 pump
[2015-11-09 11:29:57] kogroken : Nice spike up.
[2015-11-09 11:30:13] habibi : i think we will go for some 390 testing again in next hours
[2015-11-09 11:30:28] podizzler3k : some random ass company that has no public face won the last auction
[2015-11-09 11:30:30] podizzler3k : https://cumberlandmining.com/
[2015-11-09 11:30:34] podizzler3k : secretive
[2015-11-09 11:30:40] podizzler3k : probably trying to avoid taxes
[2015-11-09 11:30:47] gaoMex : podizzler3k: source?
[2015-11-09 11:31:03] podizzler3k : http://www.coindesk.com/secretive-mining-firm-revealed-as-possible-us-marshals-auction-winner/
[2015-11-09 11:31:06] podizzler3k : that was back in march
[2015-11-09 11:31:10] podizzler3k : not the one from friday
[2015-11-09 11:31:14] podizzler3k : so they will probably bid again
[2015-11-09 11:31:45] habibi : lel...
[2015-11-09 11:31:52] habibi : who cares about march auction
[2015-11-09 11:33:06] podizzler3k : i dont
[2015-11-09 11:33:12] podizzler3k : a lot of people care about this one for some reason
[2015-11-09 11:33:23] podizzler3k : when theyve already have 5 or so that have not affected the price at all
[2015-11-09 11:33:33] podizzler3k : next leg up!
[2015-11-09 11:33:55] gaoMex : This price rise is some crazy shit
[2015-11-09 11:34:06] gaoMex : no sign at all
[2015-11-09 11:34:13] habibi : markets seems to be bullish again
[2015-11-09 11:34:27] habibi : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: hello mate, how was murch long at night?
[2015-11-09 11:35:22] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : habibi: Was great until I screwed myself by shorting
[2015-11-09 11:35:28] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Still in profit but not by much
[2015-11-09 11:36:18] habibi : ah yea i am happy that night was pretty calm after it get out from <2440 levels
[2015-11-09 11:36:28] mikeh : yea i had a freaking short from 360 earlier, worst timing for a pump, right before settlement
[2015-11-09 11:36:36] habibi : 2440 lvls
[2015-11-09 11:37:17] habibi : 15 minutes vol hits really highs
[2015-11-09 11:37:35] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : habibi: Yep it was crazy
[2015-11-09 11:37:44] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : I tried to get in front of the train. Such a bad idea :p
[2015-11-09 11:38:13] habibi : i mean look now at hobi 30 min vol 12.00
[2015-11-09 11:38:27] billyboy402 : why cant you place a short on the dailt at 390 ?
[2015-11-09 11:38:45] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : habibi: I know it's insane
[2015-11-09 11:38:56] habibi : u can if u will use cross margin
[2015-11-09 11:39:04] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : You can, but you won't see it in the 5 level orderbook right now
[2015-11-09 11:39:07] habibi : otherwise in isolated margin position would be instantly closed
[2015-11-09 11:39:28] habibi : ah no, sorry
[2015-11-09 11:39:34] habibi : long would be closed
[2015-11-09 11:39:37] habibi : nvm
[2015-11-09 11:46:19] Scottv53 : shit i forgot about settlement Just went short huge!
[2015-11-09 11:48:49] habibi : 4246?
[2015-11-09 11:50:02] kendang : Scottv53: i feel your pain
[2015-11-09 11:56:26] billyboy402 : who the noob that just brought daily up to .383.80 thanks
[2015-11-09 12:01:47] loke : Does anyone know whats causing these wild fluctuations in XBTH16 Mark Price?
[2015-11-09 12:03:04] kogroken : Someone just market sold about 3000 contracts on H16. Seems that bought down the mark price as well.
[2015-11-09 12:04:03] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: fair price is fixed with settlement price?
[2015-11-09 12:04:49] BitMEX_Wally : habibi: The fair price will decay to the settlement price
[2015-11-09 12:05:13] habibi : yea but why now its not :p?
[2015-11-09 12:05:13] BitMEX_Wally : i.e. fairPrice = indicativeSettlePrice * fairBasisRate * (daysToExpiry / 365)
[2015-11-09 12:05:30] habibi : ah timeframe
[2015-11-09 12:05:32] habibi : 30 minutes?
[2015-11-09 12:05:41] BitMEX_Wally : habibi: Which instrument are you looking at?
[2015-11-09 12:05:46] habibi : 24h
[2015-11-09 12:06:33] BitMEX_Wally : After re-listing the fairBasisRate is reset to 0
[2015-11-09 12:06:42] BitMEX_Wally : IT will be adjusted soon to match where the contract is trading
[2015-11-09 12:07:22] habibi : yea now it jumped
[2015-11-09 12:07:42] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah, we have some announcements coming that will help the mark price be more transparent
[2015-11-09 12:08:21] loke : BitMEX_Wally: Does the trading price on XBTH16 influence the Fair Price?
[2015-11-09 12:08:37] BitMEX_Wally : loke: Yes
[2015-11-09 12:08:58] loke : BitMEX_Wally: Many thanks. That explains everything.
[2015-11-09 12:49:09] mitzip : the idea that once I click isolate margin on a position days ago... all my other future orders on that contract should be isolate margin is not intuitive... :(
[2015-11-09 12:51:43] mitzip : wasn't expecting new orders to be isolate margin... I'd used isolate margin on a profitable position so I could get some sleep... now due to the unexpected isolate margin setting (none of my other positions ever were isolate margin)
[2015-11-09 12:52:24] mitzip : I got my first liquidation notice
[2015-11-09 12:53:21] mitzip : luckily it was a small position... but it was an $80 lesson learned that doesn't put a smile on my face :( <-- see
[2015-11-09 12:53:54] BitMEX_Wally : mitzip: Sorry to hear that. We decided to remember the setting so users would not be surprised by it changing
[2015-11-09 12:54:22] mitzip : I'd never used it before, so it was a suprise to me that it remembered
[2015-11-09 12:55:16] BitMEX_Wally : In the Order Controls there is an 'Order Options' drop down where you can toggle 'Isolate' or 'Cross' before opening the position
[2015-11-09 12:55:31] dorothy490 : BitMEX_Wally: say I have open position on cross margin mode at x100. Price goes 2% in oposite direction of my original order. Now I cant change to isolated margin essentially, even If I have huge cross. That should be addressed/fixed
[2015-11-09 12:56:03] dorothy490 : need a way to isolate margin on opened position even if its on cross mode yet
[2015-11-09 12:56:12] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: What happens when you try and enable Isolate Margin in that situation?
[2015-11-09 12:56:24] dorothy490 : BitMEX_Wally: dont want to test but I suppose liquidation
[2015-11-09 12:56:30] dorothy490 : or it wouldn't let me to isolate
[2015-11-09 12:56:35] BitMEX_Wally : It won't liquidate you :)
[2015-11-09 12:56:55] BitMEX_Wally : It will put in the original 0.5% plus enough to cover the losses
[2015-11-09 12:56:59] BitMEX_Wally : Click isolate and see :)
[2015-11-09 12:57:05] podizzler3k_ : how can i add margin to a position on mobile
[2015-11-09 12:57:09] dorothy490 : already klikked
[2015-11-09 12:57:23] dorothy490 : I had less then 1% diff though
[2015-11-09 12:57:40] dorothy490 : ok I see your point
[2015-11-09 12:58:09] BitMEX_Wally : podizzler3k_: I recommend you enable cross margin if you cannot use the buttons on mobile. We'll look into it
[2015-11-09 12:59:28] podizzler3k_ : ok thanks or at least give me the option to use the normal desktop site. if i click request desktop site it stays the same
[2015-11-09 12:59:51] mitzip : BitMEX_Wally: well I guess the best I can say about this situation is thank you for the quick response
[2015-11-09 13:22:06] amirmass : where u guys shorting?
[2015-11-09 13:22:20] redlose : i am
[2015-11-09 13:23:11] kendang : me too
[2015-11-09 13:24:39] amirmass : 389?
[2015-11-09 13:24:42] amirmass : or higher
[2015-11-09 13:24:59] kendang : i shorted @391
[2015-11-09 13:25:11] amirmass : x100 ?
[2015-11-09 13:28:45] TschavaTschigger : anybody wanna grab my 18k sell at 7D? :D
[2015-11-09 13:29:59] kendang : no thanks :-)
[2015-11-09 13:49:57] gustavo7 : going down already?
[2015-11-09 14:27:23] gustavo7 : judas swing!
[2015-11-09 14:41:16] podizzler3k_ : heres an article where the mmm scammer takes credit for btc's rise. i need to post the google link otherwise it will make you subscribe before reading
[2015-11-09 14:41:19] podizzler3k_ : https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CBsQqQIoADAAahUKEwik1f7kxYPJAhWBlB4KHVHFAFs&url=http%3A%2F%2Fftalphaville.ft.com%2F2015%2F11%2F09%2F2144388%2Fim-no-crook-declares-mmm-scamster-while-claiming-credit-for-the-bitcoin-price-spike%2F&usg=AFQjCNGcVtZ_sQz-NL1s0fCzoxWoZNbpMA&sig2=6OUMGn5GnQuCZaS8k4ZFKw
[2015-11-09 14:46:15] podizzler3k_ : really wish i could add some margin to my position but bitmex is blocked at work and its not available on mobile
[2015-11-09 14:47:02] podizzler3k_ : feeling like i just went bungee jumping without a bungee cord
[2015-11-09 14:47:20] podizzler3k_ : i see the evil isolate check button is available
[2015-11-09 14:53:57] STRML : podizzler3k_: You can't add margin if the position isn't isolated
[2015-11-09 14:54:15] podizzler3k_ : oh ?
[2015-11-09 14:54:24] STRML : Yeah, it's already using all your margin if not isolated
[2015-11-09 14:54:26] STRML : There's nothing more to add
[2015-11-09 14:54:34] podizzler3k_ : yeah i guess that makes sense
[2015-11-09 14:54:37] podizzler3k_ : i swear ive done it before
[2015-11-09 14:54:42] STRML : You haven't :)
[2015-11-09 14:54:59] podizzler3k_ : ill have to wait until after work to know for sure
[2015-11-09 14:55:05] STRML : It wouldn't make any sense to add more margin on a cross-margin position.
[2015-11-09 14:56:14] podizzler3k_ : yeah i suppose not
[2015-11-09 14:56:31] podizzler3k_ : ill just have to shrink my position
[2015-11-09 14:56:35] podizzler3k_ : which is upsetting
[2015-11-09 14:56:44] sleger : or deposit more
[2015-11-09 14:57:02] podizzler3k_ : true true
[2015-11-09 14:57:43] podizzler3k_ : or just ride it out and hope it doesnt dump to 383
[2015-11-09 14:58:03] podizzler3k_ : thats not really possible tho. seems rock solid at 385
[2015-11-09 15:00:29] babybaby : go long
[2015-11-09 15:05:25] habibi : babybaby: http://image.blingee.com/images18/content/output/000/000/000/790/770024890_1111300.gif?4
[2015-11-09 15:05:47] babybaby : never :D
[2015-11-09 15:12:03] babybaby : habibi: http://i.imgur.com/pYdrcDb.png
[2015-11-09 15:31:39] hashman : open positions tab not updating?
[2015-11-09 15:32:21] hashman : "no data" on open positions -
[2015-11-09 15:32:37] podizzler3k_ : well this is awkward
[2015-11-09 15:37:41] hashman : anyone else got this issue? "No Data." under the open positions tab?
[2015-11-09 15:40:04] BitMEX_Sam : Looking into it
[2015-11-09 15:40:15] hashman : thxs sam
[2015-11-09 15:45:39] BitMEX_Sam : hashman: Please refresh, taken care of
[2015-11-09 16:08:53] amirmass : DUUMMPPP IT
[2015-11-09 16:09:43] jung1 : XBT (276.38%)
[2015-11-09 16:09:54] jung1 : ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[2015-11-09 16:11:24] stf28 : jung1: well done !!
[2015-11-09 16:11:35] BitMEX_Sam : Nice one
[2015-11-09 16:12:55] amirmass : dont panic buy yet, more down incoming
[2015-11-09 16:13:03] floopfloop : BitMEX_Sam: I thought I would have my withheld profit back this morning after the settlement, can you shed some light on this?
[2015-11-09 16:13:16] BitMEX_Sam : floopfloop: Is some of that withheld profit in XBT7D?
[2015-11-09 16:13:22] amirmass : 376 incoming
[2015-11-09 16:14:03] jung1 : I think we con go even to $300 before '16 pump
[2015-11-09 16:14:18] floopfloop : BitMEX_Sam: I dont know, but possibly. I closed out all of my positions
[2015-11-09 16:14:45] BitMEX_Sam : floopfloop: Right. So XBT24H becomes available right after the daily settlement, but the rest of the contracts only unlock at Friday at 12 UTC
[2015-11-09 16:14:56] floopfloop : oh crap
[2015-11-09 16:15:08] amirmass : 270$ i beleive
[2015-11-09 16:15:51] BitMEX_Sam : floopfloop: https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation#contract-settlement-rebalance
[2015-11-09 16:16:09] BitMEX_Sam : Necessary evil due to high leverage and the potential for systemic loss
[2015-11-09 16:16:27] habibi : there were a good blockchain expl that connects addresses with exchanges and so, do u remember guys that blockexplorer?
[2015-11-09 16:16:44] amirmass : ddddddddummmmmmppp
[2015-11-09 16:16:56] amirmass : chinaaaa
[2015-11-09 16:18:00] floopfloop : BitMEX_Sam: if i had contract in decemeber and march would i need to wait until then as well?
[2015-11-09 16:18:12] BitMEX_Sam : floopfloop: No, please read the doc - every Friday, all contracts rebalance and profit unlocks
[2015-11-09 16:18:29] floopfloop : oh ok. Yeah I got that, but wasnt sure if it meant those as well
[2015-11-09 16:19:04] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: btw what was the higher system loss u could achieve on testnet?
[2015-11-09 16:19:47] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: Technically any amount below 100% is possible but extremely unlikely
[2015-11-09 16:20:00] BitMEX_Sam : On Testnet there is pretty significant liquidity from some built-in bots so it's pretty tough to crank it high
[2015-11-09 16:20:09] habibi : 100% ? i thought 50% is maximum as players plays against players
[2015-11-09 16:20:29] BitMEX_Wally : Yes but one player will have made all the money and the other lost it all
[2015-11-09 16:20:41] redlose : alright guys now you can dump im in with 40k
[2015-11-09 16:20:42] BitMEX_Wally : So the adjustment is 99.999% of the winner's profits
[2015-11-09 16:20:56] BitMEX_Sam : Imagine 100x, two counterparties, price goes from 100 to 110, each user has only 1 XBT
[2015-11-09 16:21:00] habibi : ah so then the winner would get nothing?
[2015-11-09 16:21:10] BitMEX_Sam : One person would have made 10 XBT, other would have lost 1, so adjustment would be 90%
[2015-11-09 16:21:12] BitMEX_Wally : The winner gets whatever the losers had to lose
[2015-11-09 16:21:23] BitMEX_Wally : So it's fair in that sense
[2015-11-09 16:23:21] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: clear explanation, thx
[2015-11-09 16:24:07] floopfloop : I don't care if they have the proper experience, or any for that matter. If I ever have to hire someone and the applicant is named Wally, they are hired
[2015-11-09 16:25:46] BitMEX_Wally : floopfloop: Did you know that 'wally' is British slang for a silly or inept person?
[2015-11-09 16:26:05] floopfloop : No I did not. +1 point
[2015-11-09 16:26:29] MarketQ : The stop limit just does not seem to work
[2015-11-09 16:26:53] MarketQ : it doesnt ever execute a stop even if the price is well past the stop price
[2015-11-09 16:27:24] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: are u gonna add featuers like stop loss/take profit?
[2015-11-09 16:27:48] BitMEX_Wally : MarketQ: How does it not work?
[2015-11-09 16:28:26] BitMEX_Wally : habibi: If you are long you can add a take profit order by submitting a sell limit order
[2015-11-09 16:28:58] habibi : well... there was no question
[2015-11-09 16:29:05] MarketQ : Well yesterday I placed a stop and the price passed my stop limit and my position didnt get closed
[2015-11-09 16:29:13] BitMEX_Wally : MarketQ: Let me check
[2015-11-09 16:29:52] BitMEX_Wally : MarketQ: It looks like it triggered and was rejected because of lack of available margin
[2015-11-09 16:30:03] MarketQ : Ok makes sense thanks
[2015-11-09 16:30:28] BitMEX_Wally : Have a look in 'Order History'
[2015-11-09 16:41:45] justinlooking : hi wally, thanks for the explanation. earlier regarding the DPE in XBTH16. I'm seeing 40% of my balance is withheld, even though I am completely flat. I thought the DPE would only apply to those people with positions at settlement, but it seems that's not the case?
[2015-11-09 16:42:06] habibi : this bot at hobi is frustrating
[2015-11-09 16:45:25] SnackyCoins : justin you must wait until settlement for the withheld profits to become available
[2015-11-09 16:45:39] BitMEX_Wally : justinlooking: DPE applies to any profits made (realised or unrealised)
[2015-11-09 16:47:47] dorothy490 : dont see a button to add margin when I have pending orders
[2015-11-09 16:47:58] dorothy490 : browsing from PC
[2015-11-09 16:48:41] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: This is a limitation of our system for now. In the mean time open a position with 1 contract then you can add margin
[2015-11-09 16:48:54] dorothy490 : why
[2015-11-09 16:49:25] BitMEX_Wally : You have pending orders and you want there to be more margin when they are filled?
[2015-11-09 16:49:34] dorothy490 : yes
[2015-11-09 16:50:18] Murch : dorothy490: so open 1 contract add margin it's not difficult
[2015-11-09 16:50:32] dorothy490 : it was possible without opening one contract before
[2015-11-09 16:50:37] SnackyCoins : adding additional margin as a feature was just added like what 2 weeks ago? 8)
[2015-11-09 16:51:00] Murch : dorothy490: Yeah I noticed that before too actually, weird.
[2015-11-09 16:51:54] dorothy490 : I'm also worried what if i reverse my position due of this change additional margin will dissapear
[2015-11-09 16:52:17] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: Open a position in the same direction then
[2015-11-09 16:52:31] dorothy490 : wat
[2015-11-09 16:52:57] dorothy490 : say I have 1 short contract, if price reach 360 I have pending buy orders
[2015-11-09 16:53:11] dorothy490 : for 200
[2015-11-09 16:53:20] dorothy490 : what will happen with additional margin in that case
[2015-11-09 16:54:05] habibi : that hobi bot... if its not on purpose someone will get wreck ;p
[2015-11-09 16:54:11] BitMEX_Wally : There is only 1 situation where additional margin will be taken out, and that is when you have no active orders (nothing in the book) AND no position (qty is 0)
[2015-11-09 16:54:46] BitMEX_Wally : So if you go from -1 to 199 the additional margin will stay there
[2015-11-09 16:54:56] dorothy490 : ok, any reasons why you removed ability to add margin to the pending orders without position?
[2015-11-09 16:55:01] Murch : habibi: what's it doing?
[2015-11-09 16:55:11] BitMEX_Wally : I'm not sure it was ever there
[2015-11-09 16:55:22] cekseh : I think I saw it there a few days ago as well
[2015-11-09 16:55:29] dorothy490 : it was there
[2015-11-09 16:55:34] cekseh : I remember asking myself that question on sat
[2015-11-09 16:55:34] habibi : Murch: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/huobi/btccny was keep buying all to 2489 for like 10-15 minutes
[2015-11-09 16:55:59] dorothy490 : I often used it to XBTD7D and other instruments
[2015-11-09 16:55:59] Murch : habibi: oh wow okay lol
[2015-11-09 16:56:11] BitMEX_Wally : Ok, we'll add it
[2015-11-09 16:56:22] dorothy490 : thanks
[2015-11-09 16:56:55] cekseh : +1 =)
[2015-11-09 16:58:28] SnackyCoins : i never saw it, but i use cross :)
[2015-11-09 17:04:09] Murch : cross ftw
[2015-11-09 17:30:23] TschavaTschigger : dumping time
[2015-11-09 17:32:03] podizzler3k_ : again?
[2015-11-09 17:32:07] podizzler3k_ : its always dumping time
[2015-11-09 17:46:20] TschavaTschigger : time to jump on the buytrain
[2015-11-09 17:49:21] jung1 : will drop more
[2015-11-09 17:51:25] TschavaTschigger : nope
[2015-11-09 17:51:27] gielbier : BitMEX_Wally: yeah i agree with dorothy490 i miss that
[2015-11-09 17:59:50] floopfloop : moon time
[2015-11-09 18:04:05] TschavaTschigger : +1
[2015-11-09 18:13:19] floopfloop : i got out, ez .12 btc
[2015-11-09 18:16:24] jung1 : finex bitcoin price is bigger thatn xbt24
[2015-11-09 18:21:10] sleger : huobi price is bigger than finex
[2015-11-09 18:22:50] jung1 : would be great if there will be dump
[2015-11-09 18:24:40] floopfloop : ok coin has btc at 299.99 after rebate
[2015-11-09 18:24:53] floopfloop : what happened to the woodchipper?
[2015-11-09 18:27:10] jung1 : hey sam. put it on your list https://gatecoin.com/blog/2015/11/gatecoin-launches-dynamic-stop-orders/
[2015-11-09 18:27:59] jung1 : BitMEX_Wally:
[2015-11-09 18:31:42] BitMEX_Sam : jung1: Yeah, those are nice. More order types to come
[2015-11-09 18:33:09] babybaby : BTC going up
[2015-11-09 18:35:37] aspa : BitMEX_Sam: if you're going to allow bots that paint the orderbooks, you might consider alternative forms to display the orderbooks. Didn't like what I just saw..
[2015-11-09 18:35:59] zanza : ?
[2015-11-09 18:36:01] BitMEX_Sam : aspa: Agreed, they've been starting to fill it full of tiny sizes
[2015-11-09 18:36:13] aspa : Indeed..
[2015-11-09 18:36:37] BitMEX_Sam : We always knew it would happen eventually, just have had other development priorities so we figured we'd wait until this started happening more
[2015-11-09 18:37:17] aspa : I understand.. Good to know you're on top of that :) And thanks for the excellent platform!
[2015-11-09 18:37:40] BitMEX_Sam : aspa: Thanks!
[2015-11-09 18:37:43] zanza : what is considered tiny size?
[2015-11-09 18:38:22] jung1 : or leave it but add "group"option like on huobi
[2015-11-09 18:38:48] aspa : Grouping sounds fine, yes
[2015-11-09 18:38:59] zanza : under 100? under 1000? what do you consider small
[2015-11-09 18:39:24] jung1 : not only bots play tiny size
[2015-11-09 18:39:32] SnackyCoins : 1-5 contracts small
[2015-11-09 18:39:35] jung1 : thats how free market works
[2015-11-09 18:40:39] jung1 : best option will be to group orderbook in varions way like to 0.25, to 0.5, 0.75, 1 etc
[2015-11-09 18:40:47] jung1 : various
[2015-11-09 18:41:04] jung1 : everyone will be ahppy
[2015-11-09 18:41:05] zanza : makes sense, seems complicated to program though!
[2015-11-09 18:41:35] jung1 : zanza: but you would know what for your fees go ;)
[2015-11-09 18:41:49] aspa : zanza: well in the current layout, <100 is annoying to me.. Though indeed one cannot mind such small orders if it's still possible to spot the mass..