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[2015-11-08 17:03:23] AudibleScience : ah but in that scenario the amount would have to stay fixed no?
[2015-11-08 17:04:20] AudibleScience : I am talking about extending the position from B to C...
[2015-11-08 17:04:55] BitMEX_Wally : Inreasing the position size?
[2015-11-08 17:05:00] BitMEX_Wally : You can do that without closing
[2015-11-08 17:05:30] AudibleScience : I know... that's what I'm wondering about...
[2015-11-08 17:05:52] BitMEX_Wally : There's no benefit as far as I can tell
[2015-11-08 17:06:06] AudibleScience : which alternative is more profitable and which is safer?
[2015-11-08 17:06:44] BitMEX_Wally : The profitability and safety are the same, except you will pay two lots of fees if you close and re-open
[2015-11-08 17:07:26] BitMEX_Wally : So extend the long you have and save the fees
[2015-11-08 17:08:22] zanza : kendang: its purposely not serious, since people should not take advice here seriously (open a ticket for official company support)
[2015-11-08 17:08:39] zanza : unless it comes from direct employee here
[2015-11-08 17:10:12] AudibleScience : I think (and this is really why I'm asking) that it is a safer option is to take some profit out of the position, and then extend it... or indeed extend it first and then take a bit of profit out of it... but I am still really a total novice! So is this also dumb?
[2015-11-08 17:12:20] sleger : yes
[2015-11-08 17:12:42] sleger : as was already stated : "BitMEX_Wally: Profit from A to B plus B to C is the same as from A to C. Except you will pay 2 lots of fees"
[2015-11-08 17:13:47] AudibleScience : sleger: lol really!
[2015-11-08 17:14:06] BitMEX_Wally : I'm heading out now
[2015-11-08 17:14:26] BitMEX_Wally : Please email support@bitmex.com for anything urgent
[2015-11-08 17:14:34] BitMEX_Wally : Happy trading
[2015-11-08 17:14:58] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Wally: Take care man, and thanks for the advice!
[2015-11-08 17:18:21] AudibleScience : sleger: I've been taking bits of profit here there and everywhere... thinking it was the safe thing to do... but now I'm thinking I need to grow a set and stop doing that... as it's really just reducing my profitability overall! Thanks to you too man...
[2015-11-08 17:21:04] AudibleScience : Really great advice guys! I'm going to start being much more affirmative with my trades again now... thanks again!
[2015-11-08 17:25:28] podizzler3k : sup
[2015-11-08 17:30:19] sleger : nmf
[2015-11-08 17:31:39] fanofbtc : Hi All
[2015-11-08 17:31:54] fanofbtc : How to know BTC price is going up or down ?
[2015-11-08 17:33:48] kogroken : It's simple
[2015-11-08 17:33:54] kogroken : Just build a time machine.
[2015-11-08 17:34:12] AudibleScience : zanza: Well I've done it man! I put a baby order in the book to short 500 XBTZ15 contracts... from $499.99
[2015-11-08 17:34:18] fanofbtc : lol
[2015-11-08 17:34:18] sleger : fanofbtc: http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/bitcoin.org.html
[2015-11-08 17:36:00] fanofbtc : what is the meaning of baby order?
[2015-11-08 17:36:52] AudibleScience : lol just small man!
[2015-11-08 17:37:06] AudibleScience : a small order
[2015-11-08 17:37:45] fanofbtc : ok that was a great guess now the price is going low
[2015-11-08 17:38:51] fanofbtc : Thats really good idea to place baby order thanks for the good idea AudibleScience
[2015-11-08 17:39:38] AudibleScience : fanofbtc: do you think the coin is going to be worth more than $499.99 by the 25th of December?
[2015-11-08 17:40:29] fanofbtc : give me a minute I am thinking...
[2015-11-08 17:40:33] zanza : you dont make anything @AudibleScience
[2015-11-08 17:40:39] zanza : if no one buys your order =]
[2015-11-08 17:41:52] fanofbtc : @AudibleScience
[2015-11-08 17:42:38] fanofbtc : There are chances BTC may go above $500 by Dec 25th no surprise
[2015-11-08 17:42:48] fanofbtc : one condition...
[2015-11-08 17:43:11] AudibleScience : fanofbtc: yeah... what man?
[2015-11-08 17:43:24] fanofbtc : RBC shouldnt declare any stimulus package by that time :)
[2015-11-08 17:43:34] fanofbtc : :D
[2015-11-08 17:44:57] fanofbtc : Does it make sense ?
[2015-11-08 17:46:33] AudibleScience : What's RBC man? "Royal Bank of Canada"?
[2015-11-08 17:47:55] fanofbtc : Reserve Bank of China
[2015-11-08 17:50:36] AudibleScience : I knew it was going to be something like that! So used to seeing PBOC that RBC threw me a bit...
[2015-11-08 17:51:47] fanofbtc : Now the entire world is at mercy of traders in China
[2015-11-08 17:52:11] fanofbtc : They are moving the markets in all the segments if I am not wrong
[2015-11-08 17:53:56] AudibleScience : fanofbtc: why would that be a bad thing though anyway? I would have imagined that if the the RBC were to do that, it would inevitably boost bitcoin rather than harm it no?
[2015-11-08 17:55:12] fanofbtc : RBC is not directly worried about BTC for them BTC is just nothing in terms of Market capitalization
[2015-11-08 17:55:59] AudibleScience : moreover, are the RBC very likely to do that by then?
[2015-11-08 17:56:27] fanofbtc : My analysis is China industrial growth came to a stall, investors in China are looking for a place to invest their money
[2015-11-08 17:56:46] fanofbtc : BTC is the safe place to store money
[2015-11-08 17:57:02] fanofbtc : That is what Greece does right ?
[2015-11-08 17:57:22] fanofbtc : Greece means public in Greece
[2015-11-08 17:57:59] floopfloop : fanofbtc: Greece means failure in English
[2015-11-08 17:58:29] fanofbtc : I am not good in English
[2015-11-08 17:58:42] fanofbtc : Greece is a country in Europe
[2015-11-08 17:59:23] AudibleScience : fanofbtc: hey man none of that! you do just fine! @floopfloop is just joking!
[2015-11-08 18:00:02] AudibleScience : fanofbtc: are you from Greece?
[2015-11-08 18:00:35] dkoval : what is Europe?
[2015-11-08 18:02:07] fanofbtc : Europe is a continent
[2015-11-08 18:02:39] fanofbtc : Thats just ok @floopfloop
[2015-11-08 18:03:01] zanza : my new trading strategy doesn't work in these conditions
[2015-11-08 18:03:48] AudibleScience : floopfloop: lol but for a while there Greece also meant a nice boost for the coin though! gotta give um dat!
[2015-11-08 18:04:10] fanofbtc : Yep
[2015-11-08 18:04:15] amirmass : what
[2015-11-08 18:04:19] amirmass : hey*
[2015-11-08 18:04:36] dkoval : cool I thought it's a rock band )))
[2015-11-08 18:04:42] amirmass : what's the liquadation price for x50 if to go wrong
[2015-11-08 18:04:53] amirmass : +-??
[2015-11-08 18:05:48] dorothy490 : 381.98+2%-comission
[2015-11-08 18:06:15] dorothy490 : actually lower
[2015-11-08 18:06:43] dorothy490 : open 1 contract at BTC7D and you will see
[2015-11-08 18:07:32] sleger : liq is at 1% its written right in the middle
[2015-11-08 18:17:12] amirmass : sleger: it's the limit price?
[2015-11-08 18:18:55] amirmass : oh sorry, just saw it
[2015-11-08 18:20:32] amirmass : its in big numbers yup?
[2015-11-08 18:29:06] floopfloop : debating on hooking about ANOTHER monitor strictly for bitmex :s
[2015-11-08 18:29:09] sleger : i have a small screen so everything is small for me
[2015-11-08 18:29:18] floopfloop : hooking up*
[2015-11-08 18:29:23] floopfloop : sleger: thats what she said
[2015-11-08 18:43:28] mikeh : can you have one order as cross and another on isolate at same time?
[2015-11-08 18:43:43] dorothy490 : no
[2015-11-08 18:43:52] mikeh : dang
[2015-11-08 18:44:12] mikeh : i mean in different time periods btw, 100x and 50x
[2015-11-08 18:44:15] SnackyCoins : you can on different contracts yes
[2015-11-08 18:44:30] mikeh : cool ok
[2015-11-08 18:51:17] cekseh : dec contract less attractive for exploiting today
[2015-11-08 18:51:37] cekseh : no more selling at 425 and buying back at 350 =(
[2015-11-08 18:53:01] floopfloop : cekseh: im short 300 at $519 :)
[2015-11-08 18:53:24] cekseh : rep my numbers were off =)
[2015-11-08 18:53:40] cekseh : sold at 525, bought back at 450
[2015-11-08 18:53:46] cekseh : I believe
[2015-11-08 18:53:59] cekseh : now just have to wait for friday to settle
[2015-11-08 18:54:07] floopfloop : yeah i got rid of friday
[2015-11-08 18:54:11] floopfloop : i was short 2000 at 4000
[2015-11-08 18:54:16] floopfloop : didnt feel good about it
[2015-11-08 18:54:28] floopfloop : do got rid of it for small profit
[2015-11-08 18:54:30] floopfloop : so*
[2015-11-08 18:54:42] floopfloop : 2000 at $400*
[2015-11-08 18:54:46] cekseh : Yeah its kind of unsettling, particularly since you can't remove your unsettled profits from the margin
[2015-11-08 18:55:12] dorothy490 : floopfloop: at 4000 per BTC?
[2015-11-08 18:55:25] floopfloop : dorothy490: look at correction
[2015-11-08 18:55:34] dorothy490 : ah k
[2015-11-08 18:55:35] podizzler3k : i shorted at 4000. feelin good abou tit
[2015-11-08 18:55:43] cekseh : you are talking about daily?
[2015-11-08 18:55:45] floopfloop : podizzler3k: ditto, but im worried
[2015-11-08 18:56:08] floopfloop : podizzler3k: CEO of Bitcoin indicated BTC will be at 5000 next week :S
[2015-11-08 18:56:22] podizzler3k : magicaltux said that?
[2015-11-08 18:56:26] cekseh : I halted trading last night, don't feel like gambling with no strong feeling either way
[2015-11-08 18:56:34] floopfloop : podizzler3k: Mark Kapeles
[2015-11-08 18:56:34] gielbier : yeah podizzler3k i did
[2015-11-08 18:56:51] floopfloop : cekseh: same, except for my super long positions
[2015-11-08 18:56:55] cekseh : Carpelas*
[2015-11-08 18:56:58] floopfloop : oops
[2015-11-08 18:57:07] podizzler3k : all 3 bitcoin china exchange operators say capital controls has nothing ot do with the rise
[2015-11-08 18:57:09] floopfloop : that is not knowledge i try to retain lol
[2015-11-08 18:57:16] cekseh : Quarpuelas*
[2015-11-08 18:57:24] floopfloop : Karperipoff
[2015-11-08 18:57:31] cekseh : pod, of course they do lol
[2015-11-08 18:57:38] floopfloop : cekseh: ^
[2015-11-08 18:57:41] podizzler3k : so how does 'new user growth' pump it from 300 to 500 instnatly and then fall off a cliff
[2015-11-08 18:57:48] podizzler3k : doesnt really add up
[2015-11-08 18:58:03] cekseh : they are lying pod
[2015-11-08 18:58:05] cekseh : duh.
[2015-11-08 18:58:07] floopfloop : podizzler3k: china also says you break it you buy it, and that they no no good engrish
[2015-11-08 18:58:13] cekseh : Do you think they want to go to prison?
[2015-11-08 18:58:33] cekseh : chinese exchange: we are intentionally circumventing govn't imposed capital controls
[2015-11-08 18:58:35] floopfloop : cekseh: thats americans
[2015-11-08 18:58:42] cekseh : chinese govnt: orly?
[2015-11-08 18:58:46] podizzler3k : cekseh thats not how they made it sound. they made it sound like the capital controls are easily bypassed, and not strict. it wasnt something where they were towing the line trying not to make waves
[2015-11-08 18:59:01] podizzler3k : like bitcoin isnt necessary to get around them because there are many easy ways
[2015-11-08 18:59:18] cekseh : They need to assure the chinese govnt they are not being used to negate imposed capital controls
[2015-11-08 18:59:22] floopfloop : podizzler3k: Eggrolls delivered in 20 minutes my ass
[2015-11-08 18:59:33] floopfloop : its been 30 and now they are soggy
[2015-11-08 18:59:35] cekseh : you don't brag about your business being good at circumventing your home country''s govnt
[2015-11-08 18:59:38] cekseh : specially in china
[2015-11-08 18:59:40] podizzler3k : tue
[2015-11-08 19:00:10] floopfloop : zhonggui shi feichanghao
[2015-11-08 19:00:17] dorothy490 : you brag until you dont
[2015-11-08 19:00:17] cekseh : They only answer they had available to them was that they are not being used to get money out of the yen
[2015-11-08 19:00:39] floopfloop : cekseh:strip clubs
[2015-11-08 19:00:54] floopfloop : only real answer
[2015-11-08 19:03:16] amirmass : hello
[2015-11-08 19:03:33] amirmass : i wanna set a x50 short
[2015-11-08 19:03:46] amirmass : do i look at bid price or the middle price
[2015-11-08 19:04:36] amirmass : according to which one im choosing my limit price?
[2015-11-08 19:04:47] sleger : either
[2015-11-08 19:04:53] amirmass : sleger: so?
[2015-11-08 19:05:40] dorothy490 : you look on bid
[2015-11-08 19:06:17] amirmass : dorothy490: but i see some big difference between the bids
[2015-11-08 19:06:25] amirmass : 450 then 440
[2015-11-08 19:06:44] dorothy490 : amirmass: cause that instrument is illiquid
[2015-11-08 19:06:57] amirmass : oh ook
[2015-11-08 19:12:53] podizzler3k : illiquid is a cool word
[2015-11-08 19:13:24] roymalmberg : just backtested, seems like most volatility is during night european time, china move the market alot?
[2015-11-08 19:15:15] SnackyCoins : yes china is in charge
[2015-11-08 19:17:44] amirmass : x50 price is not moving!
[2015-11-08 19:17:47] Scottv53 : China is about to take her historical, rightful place supreme leadership economically, bitcoin is the fore taste of her moving markets.
[2015-11-08 19:17:55] amirmass : why
[2015-11-08 19:22:01] podizzler3k : rightful?
[2015-11-08 19:22:23] podizzler3k : so building a bunch of shit industrial revolution style and polluting the fuck out of your air and water makes you the rightful leaders?
[2015-11-08 19:22:52] zanza : wut
[2015-11-08 19:23:02] zanza : did i just run into
[2015-11-08 19:23:11] podizzler3k : its not like chinas gov is any less corrupt. theyre borderline communist
[2015-11-08 19:23:20] podizzler3k : on another note, this salad dressing is spicy
[2015-11-08 19:25:40] Scottv53 : podizzler3k: Just stating the facts.
[2015-11-08 19:28:18] Scottv53 : 16% of the world population resides in that country and all want the american lifestyle.
[2015-11-08 19:29:01] Scottv53 : earth
[2015-11-08 19:31:09] habibi : whale bids good to see u back
[2015-11-08 19:35:30] AudibleScience : I'm going to cancel my baby order in the XBTZ15 book... no one wants to take my cheap contracts anyway! lol
[2015-11-08 19:37:59] Scottv53 : fucking
[2015-11-08 19:38:37] Scottv53 : shit
[2015-11-08 19:39:08] AudibleScience : Scottv53: what do you mean when you say that? are you short?
[2015-11-08 19:40:22] Scottv53 : AudibleScience: playing around...checking the word censurship on the trollbox
[2015-11-08 19:41:01] Scottv53 : im new here
[2015-11-08 19:42:27] AudibleScience : oh... lol so you wrote something else and it changed to "gently caressing"?
[2015-11-08 19:42:45] AudibleScience : And welcome by the way!
[2015-11-08 19:43:14] Scottv53 : thanks
[2015-11-08 19:43:18] AudibleScience : Just like when you type the okcoin! lol
[2015-11-08 19:43:29] Scottv53 : yeah
[2015-11-08 19:43:46] AudibleScience : I love that!
[2015-11-08 19:44:23] Scottv53 : feels like the chinese internet
[2015-11-08 19:45:37] AudibleScience : Can't claim to know what that's like but okcoin deserves censoring...
[2015-11-08 19:46:28] AudibleScience : and every time it makes me giggle a bit! hehe
[2015-11-08 19:47:47] AudibleScience : many times I've felt like phoning okcoin to say I want my btc back! lol
[2015-11-08 19:48:04] Scottv53 : AudibleScience: I wonder anyone you know make good XBT with the liquidty in place on BITMEX?
[2015-11-08 19:48:50] Scottv53 : AudibleScience: I wonder anyone you know making good XBT with the liquidty in place on BITMEX?
[2015-11-08 19:48:50] zanza : AudibleScience: it wasn't cheap!
[2015-11-08 19:49:03] zanza : you had it listed at way over mark
[2015-11-08 19:50:25] AudibleScience : was it? I thought it was a good deal! lol
[2015-11-08 19:51:35] zanza : look at the recent trades
[2015-11-08 19:52:16] zanza : people buying at 450, you list for
[2015-11-08 19:52:21] zanza : 499 :/
[2015-11-08 19:54:32] AudibleScience : Personally I am really hoping we will actually go higher again soon... like beyond $500 by Christmas!! but then again that could just be full blown hopium fuelled delusion!
[2015-11-08 19:56:09] Scottv53 : 499 is within reason.
[2015-11-08 19:56:29] Scottv53 : in december
[2015-11-08 19:58:18] AudibleScience : Scottv53: about making good XBT here... ask me again in about a week or 2 man... I'm pretty new here too! But so far I have made a fair bit... and lost it again... but that's really on me...
[2015-11-08 20:01:11] AudibleScience : Scottv53: I hope so man! I really hope so!!
[2015-11-08 20:03:47] AudibleScience : one time though, I did get liquidated from 248477 contracts, though almost no fault of my own! It was because I couldn't get a few more coins out of Kraken when I like really REALLY needed them! That was really killer man!!
[2015-11-08 20:04:26] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : AudibleScience: 248477 contracts is a pretty large position though
[2015-11-08 20:04:59] habibi : AudibleScience: 250k contracts? 10 btc, nice
[2015-11-08 20:05:42] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : I mean I could trade with that much but I have no desire to throw money away haha
[2015-11-08 20:06:25] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : How do you even open or close a position like that with the sort of liquidity here without massive slippage?
[2015-11-08 20:08:07] kendang : yeah, that would interest me to
[2015-11-08 20:08:10] kendang : too
[2015-11-08 20:09:26] AudibleScience : habibi: no man it was anything but nice! lol It was the majority of my budget wiped out in one nasty go!
[2015-11-08 20:10:14] AudibleScience : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: I did not open a position that size in one go...
[2015-11-08 20:10:43] habibi : AudibleScience: u were opening it on 24h? then it takes for u half day to open such position ;p
[2015-11-08 20:10:48] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : AudibleScience: I see. Still impressive that you managed to build a position that size
[2015-11-08 20:11:22] kendang : has anyone here traded futures at okcoin? if so why do you also trade here?
[2015-11-08 20:11:23] habibi : bot offline since long time?
[2015-11-08 20:11:30] AudibleScience : I was not as hard as you think man!
[2015-11-08 20:12:00] habibi : yea i think u were drunk or sth tbh :p
[2015-11-08 20:12:17] AudibleScience : And yeah it would have been an impressive profit taking later on! It would have been so so cool!
[2015-11-08 20:13:00] habibi : probally best way would be to close it on settlement
[2015-11-08 20:13:19] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : kendang: I've traded there in the past and I don't any longer because I believe they trade against their clients with information that isn't public
[2015-11-08 20:13:56] AudibleScience : I still can't believe it actually happened!
[2015-11-08 20:13:58] amirmass : how do i close a short position here
[2015-11-08 20:14:03] amirmass : ??
[2015-11-08 20:14:21] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : amirmass: Open a long position of the same size
[2015-11-08 20:14:42] AudibleScience : amirmass: just buy the same number of contracts you are short.
[2015-11-08 20:15:03] AudibleScience : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: lol you beat me!
[2015-11-08 20:15:04] amirmass : thank u
[2015-11-08 20:15:36] AudibleScience : you must type way faster than I do! lol or have a better internet connection!
[2015-11-08 20:15:54] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : I type about 60 WPM
[2015-11-08 20:16:17] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Which isn't ridiculously fast or anything
[2015-11-08 20:16:24] AudibleScience : wow! I don't think I could come close to even half that!
[2015-11-08 20:17:06] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : AudibleScience: I type half that on my phone lol
[2015-11-08 20:17:11] sleger : Wow, he must use at least 2 fingers to type :o
[2015-11-08 20:17:18] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : sleger: lol
[2015-11-08 20:18:57] AudibleScience : sleger: 4 actually! lol
[2015-11-08 20:19:16] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : How do you pronounce your username @sleger ?
[2015-11-08 20:19:29] AudibleScience : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: So you traded at Kraken too eh?
[2015-11-08 20:19:40] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : AudibleScience: Nope
[2015-11-08 20:19:54] sleger : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: slegger
[2015-11-08 20:20:16] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : selger: Cool. Want to know how to pronounce mine?
[2015-11-08 20:20:25] sleger : yes please
[2015-11-08 20:20:52] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Just like it's spelled ;)
[2015-11-08 20:20:59] sleger : so simple
[2015-11-08 20:21:18] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Alternately ICh and the other characters are silent
[2015-11-08 20:22:03] sleger : nah sounds too complex, prefer just to say how it's spelled
[2015-11-08 20:23:06] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Yeah it's easier that way
[2015-11-08 20:23:50] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Where's the market maker? The books are empty
[2015-11-08 20:25:03] sleger : btw do we know the login of the one operating it ?
[2015-11-08 20:25:23] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : I don't, or perhaps I did and don't remember
[2015-11-08 20:25:43] AudibleScience : oh by the way... when I built up that position... there was a cool mm that was filling the order books with 10k orders...
[2015-11-08 20:26:17] sleger : it went down to 5 then 3 then 2 and when its around its about 1.5 to 2.5k now
[2015-11-08 20:26:43] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : AudibleScience: Oh ok that makes it easier to believe haha
[2015-11-08 20:27:09] sleger : most likely it lost money
[2015-11-08 20:30:43] SnackyCoins : you guys know there's more than one right
[2015-11-08 20:31:20] sleger : there is one, the other ones are irrelevant
[2015-11-08 20:31:34] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : SnackyCoins: Yeah I know but there seems to be a main one that's usually here. The one that offers 2000-3500
[2015-11-08 20:31:36] jung1 : hi
[2015-11-08 20:31:51] kendang : sleger: how do you know there is one at all?
[2015-11-08 20:31:58] kendang : hi jung1!
[2015-11-08 20:32:07] SnackyCoins : i offer 2000-3500 ~ ~
[2015-11-08 20:32:10] sleger : kendang: just like all the other people do
[2015-11-08 20:32:36] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : SnackyCoins: Where is it?
[2015-11-08 20:32:43] sleger : SnackyCoins: in the 24H so why dont we see any quote ?
[2015-11-08 20:33:34] SnackyCoins : expand the book
[2015-11-08 20:33:50] SnackyCoins : i don't run a bot btw
[2015-11-08 20:33:57] SnackyCoins : but i do put up similar sizes
[2015-11-08 20:34:07] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : SnackyCoins: Ohh ok. I thought you meant your bot does
[2015-11-08 20:34:17] SnackyCoins : market maker is not here to lose money
[2015-11-08 20:34:22] sleger : 10 point spread lol
[2015-11-08 20:34:51] SnackyCoins : you must be new to trading bitcoin
[2015-11-08 20:35:25] SnackyCoins : welcome to zero liquidity markets, and the pump just made it 100x worse 8)
[2015-11-08 20:35:31] sleger : yes, only since 2012
[2015-11-08 20:35:48] SnackyCoins : okay you've been doing this longer than me then
[2015-11-08 20:35:55] SnackyCoins : this seems out of the oridnary to you though?
[2015-11-08 20:36:18] sleger : you said that you are offering 3k liquidity, but at 10 point spread its not very relevant at all
[2015-11-08 20:36:36] SnackyCoins : I have not even been fulltime trading a year and nothing about these markets seem odd at all
[2015-11-08 20:36:59] sleger : i think you misunderstood me
[2015-11-08 20:37:10] sleger : by 10 point spread I meant how far your bid and ask are apart
[2015-11-08 20:37:44] SnackyCoins : Mine? i'm not running a bot, i put up orders when i want to enter/exit
[2015-11-08 20:38:02] floopfloop : does anyone know where the free trading is?
[2015-11-08 20:38:12] SnackyCoins : china, floop
[2015-11-08 20:38:13] jung1 : huys you are long or short now?
[2015-11-08 20:38:15] sleger : well, we were talking about bots and you jumped in saying "SnackyCoins: i offer 2000-3500 ~ ~"
[2015-11-08 20:38:16] floopfloop : like the fake exchange
[2015-11-08 20:38:24] floopfloop : the one that isnt real for Bitmex
[2015-11-08 20:38:24] jung1 : floopfloop: ok coin
[2015-11-08 20:38:27] floopfloop : LOL
[2015-11-08 20:38:34] floopfloop : i need it for a friend
[2015-11-08 20:38:38] SnackyCoins : because that's the order size i place
[2015-11-08 20:38:46] floopfloop : jung1: geeking out
[2015-11-08 20:38:53] floopfloop : but seriously, anyone know where it is?
[2015-11-08 20:39:02] SnackyCoins : floop, any exchange with fake volume
[2015-11-08 20:39:07] SnackyCoins : has 0% fees
[2015-11-08 20:39:12] floopfloop : SnackyCoins: no, i want the bitmex
[2015-11-08 20:39:25] SnackyCoins : bitmex doesn't offer that
[2015-11-08 20:39:28] floopfloop : bitmex has a fake exchange that is not real
[2015-11-08 20:39:31] SnackyCoins : OH
[2015-11-08 20:39:34] SnackyCoins : the testnet
[2015-11-08 20:39:37] floopfloop : yeeeeeeeah
[2015-11-08 20:39:42] floopfloop : couldnt think of the word
[2015-11-08 20:39:46] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Ohh I totally missed that too
[2015-11-08 20:39:48] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : testnet.bitmex.com?
[2015-11-08 20:39:52] SnackyCoins : ^
[2015-11-08 20:39:55] floopfloop : I am a Bitmex vet, so to me that was the trading game lol
[2015-11-08 20:40:01] floopfloop : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: thank you
[2015-11-08 20:40:17] jung1 : I think it will be red on market in next few hours
[2015-11-08 20:40:29] jung1 : look at finex long/short https://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort
[2015-11-08 20:42:26] habibi : jung1: it always looks pretty same, i mean never more short than longs overall time
[2015-11-08 20:42:33] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : How does the testnet exchange work? Would it be useful for testing bots or is there not enough trading there?
[2015-11-08 20:42:38] Mizzou : there are always more longs than shorts
[2015-11-08 20:42:39] zanza : volume is dismal everywhere
[2015-11-08 20:42:45] SnackyCoins : bitfinex has a ton of longs you will never shake out
[2015-11-08 20:42:58] zanza : they will shake out in the 100's
[2015-11-08 20:43:01] zanza : ;p
[2015-11-08 20:43:03] SnackyCoins : lol
[2015-11-08 20:43:17] jung1 : I dont know
[2015-11-08 20:43:19] zanza : well lets check what happened when it hit 180
[2015-11-08 20:43:45] jung1 : I think that pump could be made by this ponzi mmm and we will go down
[2015-11-08 20:43:47] zanza : August 24
[2015-11-08 20:43:50] jung1 : before '16 pump
[2015-11-08 20:44:14] SnackyCoins : it was 160 in january and they still didn't get shaken out
[2015-11-08 20:45:15] zanza : it dropped from 19 mil to 15 mil
[2015-11-08 20:45:21] zanza : in January
[2015-11-08 20:46:04] SnackyCoins : 15m pretty good base for longs then 8)
[2015-11-08 20:47:42] zanza : who put up the 10k sell on `XBT7D` ?
[2015-11-08 20:48:23] SnackyCoins : it's a bid now
[2015-11-08 20:48:33] zanza : i get those jixed up
[2015-11-08 20:49:04] SnackyCoins : someone is quite confident 8)
[2015-11-08 20:49:26] sleger : you guys thunk these are big orders ?
[2015-11-08 20:49:33] sleger : *thin
[2015-11-08 20:49:38] sleger : *think
[2015-11-08 20:49:56] zanza : 10k is
[2015-11-08 20:50:03] zanza : i took a bite out of it
[2015-11-08 20:50:25] sleger : what about that?
[2015-11-08 20:51:18] zanza : ?
[2015-11-08 20:51:24] sleger : @388
[2015-11-08 20:52:15] SnackyCoins : it's big for isolated margin on a 50x contract ;)
[2015-11-08 20:52:35] sleger : and now ?
[2015-11-08 20:52:42] SnackyCoins : also i only said confident 8)
[2015-11-08 20:53:13] SnackyCoins : maybe you should be running the MM bot :)
[2015-11-08 21:00:06] zanza : if the software wasn't so awful I would consider it
[2015-11-08 21:00:19] sleger : which software ?
[2015-11-08 21:00:24] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : zanza: How is it awful?
[2015-11-08 21:00:27] sleger : it's an API so you can use anything you want
[2015-11-08 21:01:24] zanza : https://www.bitmex.com/app/automatedTradingEngines
[2015-11-08 21:02:03] sleger : zanza: yeah, and ?
[2015-11-08 21:02:19] zanza : you literally have to edit pyton files
[2015-11-08 21:02:32] zanza : with a notepad
[2015-11-08 21:02:39] sleger : lol, what do you expect ?
[2015-11-08 21:02:43] SnackyCoins : you would prefer a window with a button that has a dollar sign on it to press? :)
[2015-11-08 21:02:52] floopfloop : SnackyCoins: lolol
[2015-11-08 21:03:19] zanza : It would take a bit of work, but they could add a new tradter interface `SIMPLE` `ADVANCED` `Market Maker`
[2015-11-08 21:03:32] zanza : and have a GUI for MM functions built it
[2015-11-08 21:03:43] SnackyCoins : editing text files is pretty much how the entirety of linux operates
[2015-11-08 21:03:55] sleger : linux has nothing to do here though
[2015-11-08 21:04:02] podizzler3k : snackycoins do you have anything automated without the button? lookin for somethin easier
[2015-11-08 21:04:04] sleger : python is cross-platform
[2015-11-08 21:04:05] SnackyCoins : just saying it is not uncommon
[2015-11-08 21:04:10] zanza : SnackyCoins: I would trust any bot to run with real money on my account, without inspecting everyline of code
[2015-11-08 21:04:16] zanza : would not*
[2015-11-08 21:04:34] zanza : and analyzing the algorithms etc
[2015-11-08 21:04:42] SnackyCoins : yeah exactly
[2015-11-08 21:04:54] SnackyCoins : and if you can do that you can edit a text file and likely even prefer that style of config 8)
[2015-11-08 21:05:19] zanza : editing a text file you are much more likely to make a mistake which will cost you money
[2015-11-08 21:05:29] SnackyCoins : uhh how so
[2015-11-08 21:06:14] SnackyCoins : unless the GUI by team holdhands has put in sanity checks for the numbers you might fatfinger into the number box that is just going to save that same number to a text file for you anyway
[2015-11-08 21:06:40] jung1 : register on https://bit-delta-one.com is not active?
[2015-11-08 21:06:51] sleger : zanza: you want to inspect every line of code without having to open the file ?
[2015-11-08 21:07:39] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Cut zanza some slack. We're not all programmers haha
[2015-11-08 21:07:54] zanza : you are missing the point, I would probably just write something myself before using that (if I could use Python)
[2015-11-08 21:07:58] SnackyCoins : but he was the one talking about inspecting the code 8)
[2015-11-08 21:08:00] zanza : using my own algo
[2015-11-08 21:08:18] podizzler3k : you better compile it yourself if you are so untrusting to inspect every line of code
[2015-11-08 21:08:21] zanza : besides, other people know the algo of the MM bot could take advantage of it?
[2015-11-08 21:08:39] SnackyCoins : you can indeed shove the bot around
[2015-11-08 21:08:47] zanza : lol
[2015-11-08 21:09:22] SnackyCoins : i am from the other camp, i could make a bot but do not know how i would want it to trade :)
[2015-11-08 21:10:21] SnackyCoins : all i could think of is to sit % off of some kind of MA on both sides and try to catch fomo spikes
[2015-11-08 21:10:41] sleger : podizzler3k: python doesnt compile fyi
[2015-11-08 21:10:51] sleger : SnackyCoins: that's not a bad start t
[2015-11-08 21:11:02] sleger : *tbh
[2015-11-08 21:11:17] sleger : when you type fast, the chat doesnt follow and enter sends the line unfinished...
[2015-11-08 21:11:42] zanza : SnackyCoins: maybe we should collaborate :)
[2015-11-08 21:11:57] podizzler3k : sleger didnt know that.
[2015-11-08 21:12:00] podizzler3k : i mean ofc i knew that
[2015-11-08 21:12:02] podizzler3k : i was testin gyou
[2015-11-08 21:12:05] podizzler3k : bbl
[2015-11-08 21:12:23] macios15 : i call it 1k $
[2015-11-08 21:12:23] macios15 : now
[2015-11-08 21:12:35] sleger : you lost, it's still at 381
[2015-11-08 21:14:07] SnackyCoins : my biggest problem is backtesting
[2015-11-08 21:14:32] sleger : why?
[2015-11-08 21:14:42] SnackyCoins : if i wrote a bot, i don't have a db of price data to feed it, also there is liquidity i can't simulate
[2015-11-08 21:14:42] zanza : SnackyCoins: Can you do GUI's ?
[2015-11-08 21:14:58] zanza : does the bot have to be in Python, or could we make one in like Visual C++ ?
[2015-11-08 21:15:12] sleger : if you write to the api then start recording data then write your bot, then you have some data to backtest
[2015-11-08 21:15:21] SnackyCoins : i can make a front end, though i would likely choose web front end for convenience
[2015-11-08 21:15:27] sleger : you can make in any language as i explained before
[2015-11-08 21:15:30] SnackyCoins : yeah i would have to record for a while first
[2015-11-08 21:15:34] SnackyCoins : yeah language doesnt matter
[2015-11-08 21:15:37] zanza : "web front end" ?
[2015-11-08 21:15:46] SnackyCoins : browser
[2015-11-08 21:15:56] zanza : isn't that vulnerable to 4chan hacking?
[2015-11-08 21:16:08] zanza : :)
[2015-11-08 21:16:12] SnackyCoins : well you arent putting up a public website ;)
[2015-11-08 21:16:30] SnackyCoins : right now, the bitmex website you use is just a front end for their API
[2015-11-08 21:16:31] zanza : i feel like having somethign on the net makes it like 1000x more vulnerable though
[2015-11-08 21:16:48] zanza : mindblown
[2015-11-08 21:17:05] SnackyCoins : it doesn't have to be "on the net" to have a web interface
[2015-11-08 21:17:12] zanza : yeah, true
[2015-11-08 21:17:13] SnackyCoins : you can run a website that only can be seen from your local machine
[2015-11-08 21:17:20] zanza : what languages do you like ?
[2015-11-08 21:17:21] SnackyCoins : to control local software, that is doing the trading
[2015-11-08 21:17:25] SnackyCoins : node
[2015-11-08 21:17:44] SnackyCoins : i know java too but far prefer javascript
[2015-11-08 21:17:52] SnackyCoins : btw those two languages are not related
[2015-11-08 21:17:58] SnackyCoins : they are related like car and carpet
[2015-11-08 21:18:15] sleger : dont you have carpets in your car ?
[2015-11-08 21:18:19] SnackyCoins : 8)
[2015-11-08 21:19:11] SnackyCoins : i have a very 1.0 site up, bitfx.info
[2015-11-08 21:19:18] SnackyCoins : needs an overhaul
[2015-11-08 21:19:19] zanza : can anyone guess what the bitmex.com site is made with?
[2015-11-08 21:19:22] zanza : just curious
[2015-11-08 21:19:27] SnackyCoins : it's react.js
[2015-11-08 21:19:30] SnackyCoins : sam has told us
[2015-11-08 21:19:36] sleger : you dont need to guess its written
[2015-11-08 21:19:48] sleger : backend is k
[2015-11-08 21:19:51] sleger : kdb
[2015-11-08 21:19:55] zanza : SnackyCoins: nice site
[2015-11-08 21:19:58] SnackyCoins : yeah kdb+ on the backend
[2015-11-08 21:20:00] SnackyCoins : thanks :)
[2015-11-08 21:20:08] zanza : does that genrate ad revenue?
[2015-11-08 21:20:09] jung1 : zanza: its made with love
[2015-11-08 21:20:13] SnackyCoins : okc api keeps locking up on it. i have the same problem crptowat.ch does lol
[2015-11-08 21:20:20] SnackyCoins : no ads on it just reflinks
[2015-11-08 21:20:23] SnackyCoins : no room for ads lol
[2015-11-08 21:20:36] zanza : what kind of server hosting does that require? I mean is it intensive?
[2015-11-08 21:20:41] zanza : or could you run it on a shared
[2015-11-08 21:20:58] SnackyCoins : it runs on a basic level linode vps
[2015-11-08 21:21:12] SnackyCoins : so whatever their base package is at linode.com
[2015-11-08 21:21:17] SnackyCoins : like 1gig of ram
[2015-11-08 21:21:23] SnackyCoins : uses a decent amount of bandwidth
[2015-11-08 21:21:29] SnackyCoins : but i have not hit my limit ever
[2015-11-08 21:21:37] zanza : visually its very nice
[2015-11-08 21:21:55] zanza : so costs like $10 per month ?
[2015-11-08 21:22:05] SnackyCoins : ty :) have plans for a 2.0 with more data and more animation, gonna ditch the twitter its not that useful
[2015-11-08 21:22:08] SnackyCoins : yeah
[2015-11-08 21:22:14] jung1 : bitmex reminds me a bit mcxnow. crypto exchange made in c++
[2015-11-08 21:22:43] habibi : jung1: yea, old good times in altcoin scennery
[2015-11-08 21:23:25] jung1 : too bad that rs shut it down
[2015-11-08 21:24:02] jung1 : that mcxfee, bitusd
[2015-11-08 21:24:05] jung1 : great ideas
[2015-11-08 21:25:46] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Lol, right from BitMEX's API:
[2015-11-08 21:25:47] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : 'hasLiquidity': False
[2015-11-08 21:27:15] sleger : thats the maker vs taker flag ?
[2015-11-08 21:27:32] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Not sure what it's a flag for
[2015-11-08 21:27:49] sleger : i think thats what it means yes
[2015-11-08 21:49:18] zanza : what just happened
[2015-11-08 21:49:21] zanza : went to bathroom lol
[2015-11-08 21:49:32] SnackyCoins : http://i.imgur.com/nIIerlP.jpg
[2015-11-08 21:49:42] zanza : thats a finexx short
[2015-11-08 21:49:44] zanza : it looks like
[2015-11-08 21:50:24] floopfloop : this is the bottom
[2015-11-08 21:50:27] floopfloop : for today at least
[2015-11-08 21:51:05] zanza : rofl, that `XBT24H` premium
[2015-11-08 21:51:09] floopfloop : coindesk is at 376
[2015-11-08 21:51:35] gustavo7 : woo some dump
[2015-11-08 21:56:08] floopfloop : time for $388
[2015-11-08 21:56:10] SnackyCoins : damnit bots stop getting in front of me, it's so close 8)
[2015-11-08 21:56:18] zanza : chart is ominous
[2015-11-08 21:56:29] zanza : where @ @SnackyCoins ?
[2015-11-08 21:56:44] SnackyCoins : 373.98, just a bit to round me off
[2015-11-08 21:57:13] zanza : you are shorting on 24H?
[2015-11-08 21:57:17] SnackyCoins : yes
[2015-11-08 21:57:48] SnackyCoins : ugh i was the next to front order at one point lol
[2015-11-08 21:58:41] zanza : sry
[2015-11-08 21:59:27] SnackyCoins : lol i am never mad @ market ;)
[2015-11-08 21:59:34] SnackyCoins : not anymore anyway
[2015-11-08 21:59:51] SnackyCoins : surprised occasionally but never mad
[2015-11-08 22:00:37] kendang : at least we have some action goign on now. was ready to go to bed, but have an open position now ...
[2015-11-08 22:00:54] zanza : :D
[2015-11-08 22:01:02] zanza : action jackson
[2015-11-08 22:03:23] SnackyCoins : the only difference between trading and a game like league of legends is league has sound
[2015-11-08 22:03:52] SnackyCoins : wooshes, booms, dings and such
[2015-11-08 22:04:41] kendang : SnackyCoins: here's the soundtrack to the trading game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr8-E8may2Y
[2015-11-08 22:04:47] SnackyCoins : both have a fullscreen window of flashing colors, cash prizes on the line and asians rule the day.
[2015-11-08 22:04:52] zanza : SnackyCoins: i see what you are saying, but think you are off a bit
[2015-11-08 22:04:55] SnackyCoins : red vs green
[2015-11-08 22:05:18] SnackyCoins : i am even on teamspeak 8)
[2015-11-08 22:05:23] zanza : which one?
[2015-11-08 22:05:27] SnackyCoins : WC
[2015-11-08 22:05:30] zanza : ... lol
[2015-11-08 22:05:32] zanza : troll club
[2015-11-08 22:05:34] kendang : wc?
[2015-11-08 22:05:41] SnackyCoins : LOL thats my bookmark name for it
[2015-11-08 22:06:09] cekseh : trollclub is bestclub
[2015-11-08 22:06:11] SnackyCoins : obligatory mention, bitmex has a teamspeak: ts.bitmex.com
[2015-11-08 22:06:22] SnackyCoins : but wc is ts.whaleclub.io
[2015-11-08 22:06:33] zanza : thing with futures trading, is we are kind of competing against eachother ya?