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[2017-01-31 01:02:00] Ugly_Old_Goat : don't how been long sing 885 and been over over 25 dollars per btc. So spot must go to 860 to hit my break even
[2017-01-31 01:02:18] Ugly_Old_Goat : Thank you for your support.
[2017-01-31 01:03:53] Ugly_Old_Goat : Say short and pay. I like your strategy
[2017-01-31 01:04:21] yungyang : Yikes
[2017-01-31 01:04:27] yungyang : lotta hate for the goat
[2017-01-31 01:05:12] rapidtrades : Ugly_Old_Goat: lol at $865
[2017-01-31 01:05:15] rapidtrades : this is going to low 600
[2017-01-31 01:05:27] rapidtrades : should be below 500 tbh but westeern moonkids
[2017-01-31 01:05:37] rapidtrades : *high 600s
[2017-01-31 01:05:52] Ugly_Old_Goat : Possibly, but it must go to 865 to get there.
[2017-01-31 01:06:10] rapidtrades : not necessarily b1tch
[2017-01-31 01:06:24] yungyang : Why you keep saying moonkids?
[2017-01-31 01:06:36] yungyang : whatbif moonkids provide enough support to make it permanent
[2017-01-31 01:06:42] rapidtrades : cos they're stupid and dream of the moon
[2017-01-31 01:06:45] Ugly_Old_Goat : Lots of love for UOG tht's why shorts pay me every 8 hours
[2017-01-31 01:07:11] yungyang : i understand your 2008 below 400 blah blah
[2017-01-31 01:07:12] rapidtrades : u can't support what doesn't have foundation
[2017-01-31 01:07:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 300 @ 0.004570
[2017-01-31 01:07:26] yungyang : but you must see the macro economy is much different yes?
[2017-01-31 01:07:59] yungyang : sure you can
[2017-01-31 01:08:07] rapidtrades : that was an analogy brah
[2017-01-31 01:08:17] yungyang : a poorly made house can be support with concrete
[2017-01-31 01:08:38] yungyang : even if original, firm foundation would be better
[2017-01-31 01:08:47] yungyang : you just add concrete add concrete
[2017-01-31 01:08:52] yungyang : house stands
[2017-01-31 01:09:26] rapidtrades : THAT WAS AN ALLEGORY
[2017-01-31 01:09:38] rapidtrades : why do u have to take everything literally
[2017-01-31 01:10:01] Ugly_Old_Goat : I don't support anything. I just sold out on the spike of 1000 and bot back from 876 to 735. Added a bit at 880 when the backwardation appeared again
[2017-01-31 01:10:28] rapidtrades : u got lucky
[2017-01-31 01:10:33] rapidtrades : and now u shall die
[2017-01-31 01:10:48] rapidtrades : figuratively
[2017-01-31 01:10:56] -_- : damn now ltc wants to dump on here
[2017-01-31 01:11:24] Ugly_Old_Goat : Yes, backwardation adds support but we already the selloff. The backwardation is simply corrected the Chiness bs. Happy Chinese New Year.
[2017-01-31 01:11:40] -_- : china bearbot dumping
[2017-01-31 01:11:49] rapidtrades : hyperbole if u will
[2017-01-31 01:13:41] Sultan Pepper : Hit that 918 just in time!
[2017-01-31 01:14:06] rapidtrades : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/ron-paul-suggests-better-solution-trumps-border-wall
[2017-01-31 01:14:17] Ugly_Old_Goat : Been lucky now since 2013 when I bot my first btc in Aug undere 100
[2017-01-31 01:14:59] Ugly_Old_Goat : I have done quite well since in spite of losing more on the exchanges than my net gain
[2017-01-31 01:16:03] rapidtrades : SURPRISE! being a perma-bull in a bull market works
[2017-01-31 01:16:48] rapidtrades : in other news, being at the right place at the right time can get your a dream job, a model wife AND 1 million dollars!
[2017-01-31 01:18:49] Ugly_Old_Goat : excellent article rapidtrazdes
[2017-01-31 01:19:37] rapidtrades : tnx i try
[2017-01-31 01:20:57] Ugly_Old_Goat : Payday synced with rally, I love it!
[2017-01-31 01:22:39] rapidtrades : yep! clearly swap working as intended
[2017-01-31 01:23:17] Ugly_Old_Goat : Payday in 2 hours cover shorts now to avoid payment or stay short and pay. Thank you for your support
[2017-01-31 01:27:17] Ugly_Old_Goat : If you play the short side here your stop need to be 940. Problem is 940 will likely indicate a sharp leg up..
[2017-01-31 01:30:57] rapidtrades : lol @ u
[2017-01-31 01:37:36] Sultan Pepper : We're' the dude that goes "WEEE"
[2017-01-31 01:37:46] Sultan Pepper : Where's*
[2017-01-31 01:51:44] rapidtrades : they've been running this scam for few weeks now
[2017-01-31 01:52:09] rapidtrades : push&keep prices down under funding is locked in, then rally them back up
[2017-01-31 01:52:53] abbey : soon
[2017-01-31 01:53:28] rapidtrades : paying 0.05% and 0.15% during flat markets is outrageous
[2017-01-31 01:53:34] yungyang : "they"
[2017-01-31 01:53:39] rapidtrades : plain theft and manipulation
[2017-01-31 01:53:57] yungyang : you don't have to buy the swap
[2017-01-31 01:54:07] rapidtrades : what china did others will do soon and all this shit will get shut down
[2017-01-31 01:54:22] rapidtrades : better get real jobs soon
[2017-01-31 01:57:18] yungyang : you a funny doo
[2017-01-31 02:03:51] -_- : lol someone just bought 35,000 LTC on 0kcoin
[2017-01-31 02:04:18] -_- : and then someone decides to sell 3000 LTC way lower
[2017-01-31 02:08:18] -_- : 700,000 LTC volume just on 0kcoin last 26 hours. with fees and no margin i wonder if this whale is meaning to dump so many
[2017-01-31 02:09:08] -_- : 320,000 ltc volume on btce last 26 hours
[2017-01-31 02:10:09] -_- : 150,000 bitfinex. amazing
[2017-01-31 02:11:15] micmix : rapidtrades: some ppl with large balances doing rate arbitrage with swap, very profitable in flat market
[2017-01-31 02:12:25] anonymous123421 : micmix: isn't the risk involved relatively high? aren't you in bad shape if the market suddenly moves against you?
[2017-01-31 02:13:32] micmix : you're supposed to have neutral position when you do that (hedged)
[2017-01-31 02:15:11] anonymous123421 : micmix: ah I see
[2017-01-31 02:15:23] anonymous123421 : hence it's called arbitrage
[2017-01-31 02:16:10] micmix : and it's relatively safe bc it takes a while for rates to adjust even during sudden directional movement. enough time to re-balance position if swap rate becomes positive again
[2017-01-31 02:16:50] anonymous123421 : Interesting
[2017-01-31 02:18:17] dodic : I learn so much here lol
[2017-01-31 02:18:34] dodic : Thank you @micmix
[2017-01-31 02:18:36] anonymous123421 : Arbitrage is probably what interests me the most because it seems to attempt to reduce your risk, unlike speculation which is just a guess.
[2017-01-31 02:20:13] anonymous123421 : Can someone explain futures arbitrage to me? I feel like I only understand it on a superficial level, how do you end up profiting come settlement?
[2017-01-31 02:22:06] micmix : anonymous123421: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d1oITE3jDI
[2017-01-31 02:22:13] Ugly_Old_Goat : Covcer shorts now or pay me in an hour'
[2017-01-31 02:22:59] micmix : anonymous123421: this one is more recent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XehDfHTa8Sg
[2017-01-31 02:23:02] anonymous123421 : micmix: Oh that's neat, I didn't know they had a youtube channel, thanks for the link
[2017-01-31 02:23:26] micmix : anonymous123421: yep, lots of useful videos there
[2017-01-31 02:25:26] sleger : "Business Development: We might have added a few extra words to the chat filter."
[2017-01-31 02:25:31] sleger : ^ Greg hard at work
[2017-01-31 02:25:37] 24hourz : xbth17 is really staggered for the order books
[2017-01-31 02:47:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 25 @ 0.004570
[2017-01-31 03:02:50] jose : okcoin
[2017-01-31 03:30:48] 24hourz : volume ded
[2017-01-31 03:31:28] FreeBitcoins : today I think we are going to get that major sell off
[2017-01-31 03:32:50] 24hourz : bbands are shallow af
[2017-01-31 03:47:50] Sultan Pepper : Ugly_Old_Goat: How long until funding?
[2017-01-31 03:49:12] Ugly_Old_Goat : Payday in 10 minutes @Sultan Pepper
[2017-01-31 03:49:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : Cover your shorts or pay me
[2017-01-31 03:49:52] Ugly_Old_Goat : Thank you for your support
[2017-01-31 03:51:06] Sultan Pepper : Shorts are comfy and easy to wear
[2017-01-31 03:52:09] Ugly_Old_Goat : You need to try mine. I only wear designer Depends
[2017-01-31 03:52:32] Ugly_Old_Goat : Not so comfy when they get full
[2017-01-31 03:53:24] FreeBitcoins : I dont mind paying funding. Consider it a tip and withdraw it in USD
[2017-01-31 03:56:21] Ugly_Old_Goat : I consider it FreeBitcoins and appreciate the tip
[2017-01-31 03:57:18] Sultan Pepper : I've gotten pretty good at freeing my bitcoins here
[2017-01-31 03:57:20] Ugly_Old_Goat : 3 minues to payday, next one is a nice one!
[2017-01-31 04:00:56] Ugly_Old_Goat : Next to payouts are nice, please stay short
[2017-01-31 04:01:17] Sultan Pepper : Funny how all the shorts roll in right after payout
[2017-01-31 04:02:21] Ugly_Old_Goat : no many OI is almsot 5 million'
[2017-01-31 05:05:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 2057 @ 0.004490
[2017-01-31 05:05:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 1010 @ 0.004490
[2017-01-31 05:05:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 1000 @ 0.004480
[2017-01-31 06:53:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1800 @ 919.48
[2017-01-31 07:05:33] -_- : Btc Going up
[2017-01-31 07:07:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 5000 @ 920.10
[2017-01-31 07:07:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1000 @ 920.05
[2017-01-31 07:07:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 100 @ 920.21
[2017-01-31 07:08:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 500 @ 922.38
[2017-01-31 07:08:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 42000 @ 920.60
[2017-01-31 07:08:16] REKT : MOOON TIME!
[2017-01-31 07:08:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 46000 @ 921.45
[2017-01-31 07:08:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 10000 @ 921.63
[2017-01-31 07:09:07] -_- : Xbth17 premium now
[2017-01-31 07:09:56] -_- : Guess i needed to close ltc long hours ago and long btc
[2017-01-31 07:10:32] rowrow : blah, didn't get my buys in before the spike
[2017-01-31 07:11:00] rowrow : at least it's going up
[2017-01-31 07:11:38] FreeBitcoins : good that something is happening
[2017-01-31 07:12:05] rowrow : yeah, need some action, liquidity, volatility
[2017-01-31 07:12:37] FreeBitcoins : back to high 9s this week
[2017-01-31 07:32:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 10 @ 922.30
[2017-01-31 07:32:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2400 @ 923.25
[2017-01-31 07:33:49] -_- : 6414 cny going down soon
[2017-01-31 07:34:22] -_- : 6450 and 6537 next
[2017-01-31 07:34:37] -_- : then 6625 then moon
[2017-01-31 07:35:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 131519 @ 924.20 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2017-01-31 07:35:11] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 4400 @ 924.87
[2017-01-31 07:35:15] -_- : 941
[2017-01-31 07:35:16] -_- : wow
[2017-01-31 07:35:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1499 @ 925.35
[2017-01-31 07:35:26] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 38200 @ 926.00
[2017-01-31 07:35:26] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2220 @ 925.92
[2017-01-31 07:35:26] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 3100 @ 925.95
[2017-01-31 07:35:44] herpinator : insane in the membrane
[2017-01-31 07:35:56] rapidgains : $$$$$$$$$
[2017-01-31 07:35:57] rapidgains : $$$$$$$$
[2017-01-31 07:36:01] mutato : shorts are toast
[2017-01-31 07:36:04] herpinator : insane in the brain
[2017-01-31 07:36:14] rapidgains : quarter lol
[2017-01-31 07:36:14] herpinator : yeh I closed my short at a small loss just at the right time lol
[2017-01-31 07:36:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2000 @ 927.92
[2017-01-31 07:36:26] rapidgains : lol
[2017-01-31 07:36:38] Apocalyptic : the mooning is strong today
[2017-01-31 07:37:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 200 @ 939.25
[2017-01-31 07:37:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 1300 @ 937.61
[2017-01-31 07:37:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 32200 @ 938.92
[2017-01-31 07:37:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 225 @ 939.54
[2017-01-31 07:37:15] Derreck : pump!
[2017-01-31 07:38:03] Derreck : and finally $7 premium!
[2017-01-31 07:42:35] herpinator : big resistance point at 950
[2017-01-31 07:43:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1750 @ 931.22
[2017-01-31 07:43:57] rowrow : no news came out that caused this, right? just market doing its thing?
[2017-01-31 07:44:16] KyllingLolsson : Bitmex team... Why was my fking stop loss cancelled??????
[2017-01-31 07:44:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 30000 @ 931.35
[2017-01-31 07:44:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 10000 @ 931.68
[2017-01-31 07:44:46] -_- : you must have did it wrong KyllingLolsson
[2017-01-31 07:44:53] Ahhere : rowrow: triangles have been closing in or around today but hard to draw after overcorrection
[2017-01-31 07:44:58] rowrow : KyllingLolsson: if you cancel active orders it can cancel stop losses if you just click cancel all
[2017-01-31 07:45:20] heheh lo : correction coming soon
[2017-01-31 07:45:34] -_- : it's happening now. 940 incoming
[2017-01-31 07:46:05] KyllingLolsson : No i have done it 100 Times before
[2017-01-31 07:48:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCT7D`: sell 1000 @ 0.003757
[2017-01-31 07:48:18] Ugly_Old_Goat : Break 940 we got to 980 plus pay day coming
[2017-01-31 07:48:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 600 @ 932.09
[2017-01-31 07:48:52] Ugly_Old_Goat : oops March just went to preimium
[2017-01-31 07:48:53] Ugly_Old_Goat : oops March just went to preimium'
[2017-01-31 07:49:33] heheh lo : buying in back @ 925
[2017-01-31 07:49:34] KyllingLolsson : I lost all i have du to the cabcelled stop loss... I did everything right...
[2017-01-31 07:49:36] FreeBitcoins : blow the shorts was the mission
[2017-01-31 07:49:38] FreeBitcoins : mission accomplished
[2017-01-31 07:49:41] Ugly_Old_Goat : Do not cover short swaps Payday in 4 hours
[2017-01-31 07:49:44] Tetsuo : KyllingLolsson: seems like u did it wrong
[2017-01-31 07:49:53] Ugly_Old_Goat : Stay short and pay me too!
[2017-01-31 07:49:58] Ugly_Old_Goat : I love this place
[2017-01-31 07:50:22] rapidgains : lol
[2017-01-31 07:50:57] -_- : nothing holding LTC down in china. but BTC pumps and LTC stays at a standstill
[2017-01-31 07:51:29] rapidgains : -_-: https://twitter.com/CryptoCobain/status/819114919060652032
[2017-01-31 07:51:30] rowrow : maybe people realized litecoin is useless
[2017-01-31 07:51:33] -_- : 600,000 LTC volume randomly. but btc goes up and they cant even buy 1000 ltc
[2017-01-31 07:52:14] heheh lo : ltc has to go back where it was
[2017-01-31 07:53:15] Ugly_Old_Goat : good stuff here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB6VNWcWri4
[2017-01-31 07:53:50] FreeBitcoins : rapidgains: that scammer stole that shit
[2017-01-31 07:55:45] rapidgains : lol
[2017-01-31 08:04:39] FreeBitcoins : if we see some longs liquidated here I wont know what to think
[2017-01-31 08:06:24] Noobz : Morning Peepz, bots, Rekt
[2017-01-31 08:07:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 200 @ 0.011390
[2017-01-31 08:09:05] REKT : Noobz: Good morning Noobz! REKT is in good mood today!
[2017-01-31 08:10:39] Noobz : lol. I need coffee ... I could have sworn that that bot just talked to me
[2017-01-31 08:14:02] REKT : Noobz: REKT is happy he has work to d today. REKT was bored and lonely on Chinese New Year. No one sent him a postcard :-(
[2017-01-31 08:14:44] Derreck : REKT: that is sad man :(
[2017-01-31 08:15:13] FreeBitcoins : Im so high right now I cant deal with talking bots
[2017-01-31 08:15:45] Derreck : and premium is gone...
[2017-01-31 08:16:16] Noobz : REKT: hope it will be a roller-coaster for you so you get lots of shorts and longs today
[2017-01-31 08:16:41] REKT : REKT is ready to have fun!
[2017-01-31 08:17:03] Noobz : Noobz too
[2017-01-31 08:18:17] RocketScience : huobi
[2017-01-31 08:18:28] RocketScience : i need to find extra chat filter words
[2017-01-31 08:21:02] heheh lo : rally wont chill, my god
[2017-01-31 08:21:39] rowrow : well it was like $4 higher at peak
[2017-01-31 08:27:31] -_- : 40 cny spread on 0kcoin
[2017-01-31 08:32:02] rowrow : price is basically back to where it was before trading fees were announced
[2017-01-31 08:32:06] Ugly_Old_Goat : Noobz: It did. Does the bot actually do the crap it says
[2017-01-31 08:33:10] Ugly_Old_Goat : Yup and finance fees now favor shorts as it should. Thanks for the ride fellas and all the paydays too!
[2017-01-31 08:35:15] Ugly_Old_Goat : We need to take out 940 to confirm reversals. Then time to start welling some perp agains of the Mch contracts I bot from 901 to 735
[2017-01-31 08:36:02] heheh lo : Ugly_Old_Goat: maybe not too low, 900 ish i guess
[2017-01-31 08:38:30] Ugly_Old_Goat : My average was about 805 after selling out everything over 1100, So bot a truck and finish building my hour all since January 1
[2017-01-31 08:39:34] Noobz : Ugly_Old_Goat: Well something has to liquidate those orders and im pretty sure it isn't done manually, So yeah Rekt does it or maybe her cousin.
[2017-01-31 08:44:34] mik : hi
[2017-01-31 08:44:41] cryptobull : Hi
[2017-01-31 08:45:08] mik : how i can work with bitmex? i dont understand!
[2017-01-31 08:45:26] cryptobull : What do u mean?
[2017-01-31 08:45:40] mik : is this site difference with poloniex?
[2017-01-31 08:45:56] cryptobull : Yes. You trade futures here
[2017-01-31 08:46:03] Ugly_Old_Goat : this is derivative
[2017-01-31 08:46:36] mik : derivative? or future?
[2017-01-31 08:46:44] Ugly_Old_Goat : spot derivative and futures derivative
[2017-01-31 08:47:08] Ugly_Old_Goat : You do not buy or sell btc or anything else here
[2017-01-31 08:47:17] Ugly_Old_Goat : you are trading derivatives
[2017-01-31 08:47:32] mik : oh shit :D
[2017-01-31 08:47:37] mik : so not good for me
[2017-01-31 08:47:50] Ugly_Old_Goat : Not necessarily
[2017-01-31 08:48:00] mik : thnx guys
[2017-01-31 08:48:24] aaa : https://www.bitmex.com/app/seriesGuide/XBT heres the guide
[2017-01-31 08:48:30] Ugly_Old_Goat : Very efficient spec platform and especially useful for hedging if you own crypto
[2017-01-31 08:48:55] heheh lo : waiting for a buy in.. hmm. @mik once you trade here u probably wont go back polo
[2017-01-31 08:49:08] Ugly_Old_Goat : Tremendous opportunities here if you know what you are doing
[2017-01-31 08:49:26] cryptobull : Indeed
[2017-01-31 08:49:49] Ugly_Old_Goat : If don't know ask, and expect to lose while you learn
[2017-01-31 08:50:01] mik : heheh lo: i made 26.5btc profit from poloniex from selling pascal coin :D
[2017-01-31 08:50:02] Ugly_Old_Goat : key is use cross margin
[2017-01-31 08:51:20] Ugly_Old_Goat : mik: how did you get the pascal? Initial offering? Or buying on polo?
[2017-01-31 08:52:21] mik : Ugly_Old_Goat: i bought pascal coin in 12000 satoshi.and sold in 90ksatoshi
[2017-01-31 08:53:51] heheh lo : mik: x7.5 wow. congrats
[2017-01-31 08:55:54] cryptobull : Not bad. Buying someone's 20x and profit ?
[2017-01-31 08:56:32] Ugly_Old_Goat : Nice
[2017-01-31 08:57:01] Ugly_Old_Goat : I just bot xcp under 22 and thought I am doing well you hit home run
[2017-01-31 08:57:18] CryptoHI : anyone know why the mark price is different from last price?
[2017-01-31 08:58:14] cryptobull : CryptoHI: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2017-01-31 09:00:35] CryptoHI : yeah i'm reading it and don't understand... was wondering if some one could ELI5 it for me
[2017-01-31 09:02:32] birdie numn : so will btc stay at 930s?
[2017-01-31 09:04:00] cryptobull : I'm thinking back to 920-925 then break 940 resistance
[2017-01-31 09:05:07] micmix : imho new PBoC new in Feb. and big drop again
[2017-01-31 09:05:07] Noobz : everything better then the sideways of last days
[2017-01-31 09:05:23] micmix : *PBoC news
[2017-01-31 09:06:13] arbitrage101 : what news
[2017-01-31 09:06:25] arbitrage101 : they said they will release news regarding btc?
[2017-01-31 09:07:54] Ahhere : micmix: 'imho black swan coming'. Sounds hopeful.
[2017-01-31 09:07:54] micmix : we didn't get any official statements and no conclusions from those exchange investigations, so I expect something after New Year
[2017-01-31 09:09:14] micmix : Ahhere: I'm not hopeful, I'm scared
[2017-01-31 09:09:35] arbitrage101 : the price action looks bullish
[2017-01-31 09:11:17] enki0182 : the next estimated funding rate is 0.1333%.... is that 0.1333% of unrealised PL or margin, or what?
[2017-01-31 09:11:40] enki0182 : sorry -0.13334%
[2017-01-31 09:12:00] Noobz : enki0182: its from your position.
[2017-01-31 09:12:27] enki0182 : ok position amount ..(i.e. 5000, 25000, etc)
[2017-01-31 09:12:51] enki0182 : Noobz: thanks too
[2017-01-31 09:12:52] Noobz : position value
[2017-01-31 09:12:58] enki0182 : ok ty
[2017-01-31 09:13:42] sciack : im long on BTC since 911, should I close this position now? any sign of further advance?
[2017-01-31 09:15:26] BTC-Noob : HODLLLLLL
[2017-01-31 09:16:12] herpinator : sell your house, sell your car, sell your wife + kids buy BTC
[2017-01-31 09:16:12] sciack : lol
[2017-01-31 09:17:31] cryptobull : Close and re open @ 920-925 imo.
[2017-01-31 09:17:34] herpinator : sciack: you could probably take profit now and reopen your position at a lower price
[2017-01-31 09:19:01] sciack : thanks herpinator
[2017-01-31 09:19:09] sciack : I also believe that there will be a retracement
[2017-01-31 09:19:20] sciack : thanks for honest advice
[2017-01-31 09:20:16] Ugly_Old_Goat : Still have a lot of short debating whether to bail here or what until after payday. payday is big this round
[2017-01-31 09:21:14] FreeBitcoins : Ugly_Old_Goat: Can you explain the funding? Right now it pays shorts or longs?
[2017-01-31 09:21:47] Ugly_Old_Goat : Pays longs this round,
[2017-01-31 09:22:14] Ugly_Old_Goat : But that will change once Mach goes to preimium and stays there
[2017-01-31 09:22:18] enki0182 : FreeBitcoins: when it says "-0.xxxx%" ... people with longs get paid... when it says "0.xxx%" .... people with shorts get paid....
[2017-01-31 09:23:18] Ugly_Old_Goat : This is the best place to hedge positions. Price here for last week has been below spot and you get paid.
[2017-01-31 09:23:36] Ugly_Old_Goat : Normal is it pays shorts
[2017-01-31 09:24:27] Ugly_Old_Goat : So smart money sold here at 160 preimium and bot at 10-30 discount.
[2017-01-31 09:24:48] FreeBitcoins : it doesnt make sense? Why would it pay longs if the price is over mark?
[2017-01-31 09:25:06] KyllingLolsson : So if im long and the funding rate is positive, i get paid right?
[2017-01-31 09:25:09] Ugly_Old_Goat : Mark has nothing to do with itg
[2017-01-31 09:25:12] FreeBitcoins : thats got to be the most interesting scam I have heard of
[2017-01-31 09:25:19] enki0182 : wrong @FreeBitcoins
[2017-01-31 09:25:26] enki0182 : KyllingLolsson: sorry - wrong...
[2017-01-31 09:25:31] KyllingLolsson : ok opposite
[2017-01-31 09:25:36] enki0182 : KyllingLolsson: yes
[2017-01-31 09:25:40] FreeBitcoins : funding should be incentive to keep it on mark
[2017-01-31 09:25:42] Ugly_Old_Goat : not scam, it has corrected the scam exchanges
[2017-01-31 09:26:26] enki0182 : its not a biggy - its like when you jam a crap formula through microsoft excel and it says "-0.xxx".... but you know its the other way around.... its not a big deal... in fact if your long right now its an awesome deal :P
[2017-01-31 09:26:30] FreeBitcoins : it basically means the price is tracking%.133 higher
[2017-01-31 09:26:43] enki0182 : FreeBitcoins: you may be right
[2017-01-31 09:26:57] Ugly_Old_Goat : the market only started trading at premium to mark on this pop
[2017-01-31 09:26:59] FreeBitcoins : how do they come up with these funding rates?
[2017-01-31 09:27:26] KyllingLolsson : i think it is a way to rebalance the value of the paper??
[2017-01-31 09:27:33] FreeBitcoins : like a hamster or there is math?
[2017-01-31 09:28:07] Ugly_Old_Goat : It has been trading at discount and paying longs. Normal is hover above and below mark and pay shorts funding, but China mess inverted market temporarily and created tremendous opportunity here
[2017-01-31 09:28:40] Ugly_Old_Goat : KyllingLolsson: Good thinking. Exactly what has been going on
[2017-01-31 09:29:07] KyllingLolsson : Nothing wrong with that IMO
[2017-01-31 09:29:22] KyllingLolsson : Keeps this going
[2017-01-31 09:29:25] rowrow : might make sense to change funding to 4 hours, but that makes it harder for people to plan for
[2017-01-31 09:30:16] rowrow : would mostly fix the funding cap problem though
[2017-01-31 09:30:31] rowrow : and makes it more responsive to market changes
[2017-01-31 09:30:59] Ugly_Old_Goat : yes, I have learned to to be gone too long trading perp Mch safe an discount or small preimium. Look for it to disappear entirely very soon. Went from minus 10 to zero today
[2017-01-31 09:32:41] enki0182 : there really is not major issues on this exchange, except for an ability to provide 100x levg without forcing customers to get ADL'd when the market moves in significance. increasing unsurance fund only kills bitmex's overall profit (bad).... and many other methods really only come down to "tighter liq" prices. bitmex is what it is and it does well - for what it is - especially considering the broader market.
[2017-01-31 09:35:39] KyllingLolsson : Can anyone tell me how to set up the stop loss properly? So today i was short from 915. Stop limit at 920, with trigger at 919.9, But somehow it didn’t execute?
[2017-01-31 09:35:53] hobolowbo : new guy question
[2017-01-31 09:36:12] KyllingLolsson : i previously used stop mark
[2017-01-31 09:36:14] hobolowbo : if i hold the prepetual swap at funding time, and sell it a minute after funding closes, do I still pocket the funding rate * how many contracts i hold?
[2017-01-31 09:36:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 1620 @ 0.004410
[2017-01-31 09:37:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 1784 @ 0.004400
[2017-01-31 09:37:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 100 @ 0.004390
[2017-01-31 09:39:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 181 @ 0.004380
[2017-01-31 09:43:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 670 @ 0.004370
[2017-01-31 09:44:39] rapidgains : lol
[2017-01-31 09:45:29] Ugly_Old_Goat : hobolowbo: yup
[2017-01-31 09:45:49] Ugly_Old_Goat : All holders get paid
[2017-01-31 09:46:26] Ugly_Old_Goat : Longs get pay day in two hours
[2017-01-31 09:47:14] Ugly_Old_Goat : So the question is do shorts bail now or hope for a dip?
[2017-01-31 09:47:48] Ugly_Old_Goat : Short definitey between a rock and hard spot
[2017-01-31 09:48:00] hobolowbo : Ugly_Old_Goat: is there any lock up period after funding hour or just get paid and you can sell or buy right away
[2017-01-31 09:48:01] hobolowbo : ?
[2017-01-31 09:48:53] Ugly_Old_Goat : no lock up, are credited or debited immediately
[2017-01-31 09:49:09] hobolowbo : Ugly_Old_Goat: thank you
[2017-01-31 09:49:25] Ugly_Old_Goat : Shows up in trade history and funding
[2017-01-31 09:49:30] hobolowbo : are there usually dips or soares when funding time occurs?
[2017-01-31 09:50:03] Ugly_Old_Goat : When you are wrong the market funding simply adds insult to injury
[2017-01-31 09:50:26] Ugly_Old_Goat : When you fall down here, we kick you
[2017-01-31 09:50:31] Ugly_Old_Goat : Just of chuckles
[2017-01-31 09:50:55] hobolowbo : hahaha
[2017-01-31 09:52:17] rowrow : hobolowbo: when funding is large, yes, there is usually some movement right at the funding period - but not always
[2017-01-31 09:52:34] hobolowbo : rowrow: what is considered large
[2017-01-31 09:52:34] hobolowbo : ?
[2017-01-31 09:52:46] rowrow : sometimes it changes even more than the funding itself, sometimes it actually moves in the opposite direction you'd expect - but usually it averages out to about what you would expect
[2017-01-31 09:53:01] rowrow : at least .1%
[2017-01-31 09:53:21] hobolowbo : got ya
[2017-01-31 09:54:07] Ugly_Old_Goat : I consider a.1 or greater large. Like that is 3% a day1000% per year
[2017-01-31 09:54:49] Ugly_Old_Goat : Longs were getting paid .375 every 8 hours when Mch was 30 under
[2017-01-31 09:55:59] Ugly_Old_Goat : Both were great buys, but it can also go other way. Look at the preimium first week of Jan before collapse
[2017-01-31 09:56:27] Ugly_Old_Goat : Huge pr;emium and longs were getting clobbered with huge funding
[2017-01-31 09:57:00] Ugly_Old_Goat : Because this place is so heavily margiined you get huge swings
[2017-01-31 10:04:36] Ugly_Old_Goat : New wave of buying on the horizon
[2017-01-31 10:05:21] Ugly_Old_Goat : We take out 940 there should be nice pop up before any kind of correction
[2017-01-31 10:07:07] Ugly_Old_Goat : Pay Day in one hour
[2017-01-31 10:07:26] Noobz : 2 hours
[2017-01-31 10:08:16] Ugly_Old_Goat : More time to think about covering shorts
[2017-01-31 10:09:43] Ugly_Old_Goat : Do they cover now hoping for a pop to 940? Or do the hold on and hope for a drop to 929?
[2017-01-31 10:10:17] Ugly_Old_Goat : Looks like they will cover before pay day
[2017-01-31 10:11:13] Ugly_Old_Goat : Longs are massaging the nuts before they squeeze again
[2017-01-31 10:20:54] 5bg : REKT:
[2017-01-31 10:30:47] Ahhere : I see another short squeeze cascade coming today guise
[2017-01-31 10:31:46] rapidtrades : so we gone up $15 yet projected funding is 0.15% followed by 0
[2017-01-31 10:32:00] rapidtrades : seems legit and totally not manipulated
[2017-01-31 10:32:07] rapidtrades : i hate this site man
[2017-01-31 10:32:32] Ahhere : rapidtrades: come on dude everyone else sucks it up when they lose you cant be right all the time
[2017-01-31 10:32:34] FreeBitcoins : Yeah that does not make sense to me
[2017-01-31 10:34:02] Ugly_Old_Goat : The funding was for the previous 8 hours, not this 8hours. back to normal after this\
[2017-01-31 10:34:59] Ugly_Old_Goat : Problem right now for shorts is that new highs takes out 2 week highs which is trend change for most measures, plus we get stops hit
[2017-01-31 10:35:52] Ugly_Old_Goat : the $15 is cause march was trading at 10 discount, Now it is 0 so funding is 0
[2017-01-31 10:36:39] rapidtrades : the only problem for shorts is the clearly manipulated funding
[2017-01-31 10:36:55] Ugly_Old_Goat : Just pay me and be happy or take out 936 and I will be a seller up to 940 and you can collect the funding
[2017-01-31 10:36:58] rapidtrades : I've paid seveal % in funding while prices rallied from 700s
[2017-01-31 10:37:24] Ugly_Old_Goat : And I thank you for your support
[2017-01-31 10:37:43] Ugly_Old_Goat : My family really appreciates the new truck
[2017-01-31 10:38:01] Ugly_Old_Goat : Think of all the good you are doing for others
[2017-01-31 10:38:37] rapidtrades : whatever, i made 1 bad trade shorting here..i'll be fine
[2017-01-31 10:38:51] rapidtrades : u just got lucky, u dont have skills to keep repeating it
[2017-01-31 10:39:18] Ugly_Old_Goat : If you say so
[2017-01-31 10:39:35] FreeBitcoins : he talks so much shit after a one hit wonder
[2017-01-31 10:40:25] Ugly_Old_Goat : Yup one hit wonder. Been long for six months
[2017-01-31 10:40:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : Dumped over 1100
[2017-01-31 10:40:44] Ugly_Old_Goat : Bot back under 800,
[2017-01-31 10:40:57] Ugly_Old_Goat : Collect boo coo funding
[2017-01-31 10:41:13] Ugly_Old_Goat : Bot my firts btc in 2013 at 98
[2017-01-31 10:41:23] Ugly_Old_Goat : Aug 2013.
[2017-01-31 10:41:37] cryptobull : Good4u
[2017-01-31 10:41:55] Ugly_Old_Goat : Just pay me and be happy
[2017-01-31 10:42:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : I have lost big time, but not from trading
[2017-01-31 10:42:42] micmix : Ugly_Old_Goat: and you didn't sell in Nov-Dec? could've tripled your btc stack at least
[2017-01-31 10:43:06] Ugly_Old_Goat : I have lost on 4 major exchanges.
[2017-01-31 10:44:04] Ugly_Old_Goat : Nope, I sold on Jan spike
[2017-01-31 10:44:43] Ugly_Old_Goat : I take that back
[2017-01-31 10:45:31] Ugly_Old_Goat : I got caught on Bitfinex on August 1
[2017-01-31 10:46:42] Ugly_Old_Goat : But did sell out of my spec position in July looking for August break, but when break came I could not buy cause trapped on Bitfines
[2017-01-31 10:47:19] micmix : you didn't buy below $200 in 2015? what were you doing with your coins since Aug. 2013?
[2017-01-31 10:47:25] Ugly_Old_Goat : But was evetually able to reestblish position slightly lower when trading resumed
[2017-01-31 10:48:24] Ugly_Old_Goat : I have been doing this a long time, Done very well consistently. This is the first time I wasn't hit by and exchange
[2017-01-31 10:50:00] Ugly_Old_Goat : Look, its not that hard especially here. The mrch spread went to 160 preimum before the collpase. The market was screaming sel, sell sell bfore the collpse. If you did not sell on the way up it was too late.
[2017-01-31 10:50:44] Ugly_Old_Goat : When the market went to a discoutn it was screaming buy buy buy
[2017-01-31 10:50:58] Ugly_Old_Goat : It was screming buy buy buy all week
[2017-01-31 10:51:41] Ugly_Old_Goat : We are just now getting back to normal
[2017-01-31 10:52:15] Ugly_Old_Goat : I make my big buck in arb between cash and exchanges'
[2017-01-31 10:53:12] Ugly_Old_Goat : But I have dad two major exhhanges and three banks shut down my accounts
[2017-01-31 10:53:46] Ugly_Old_Goat : The don't like was I do. Apparently SAR and AML but I am a legit arb
[2017-01-31 10:54:26] Ugly_Old_Goat : Banks and governments want the ability to arb between nation states all to themsleves
[2017-01-31 10:55:46] Ugly_Old_Goat : 'What I do is perfectly legal but the big boys don't like it
[2017-01-31 10:56:44] Ugly_Old_Goat : There were huge premiums and discounts in various countries the past 8 weeks
[2017-01-31 11:01:51] meh : go write a book
[2017-01-31 11:03:58] Noobz : Ugly_Old_Goat: Still no blog after Marcello's scrypt adventures?
[2017-01-31 11:05:01] Ugly_Old_Goat : Yup; thats me
[2017-01-31 11:05:12] Ugly_Old_Goat : Left 40+btc there
[2017-01-31 11:05:26] Ugly_Old_Goat : But came out ahead
[2017-01-31 11:06:03] Ugly_Old_Goat : I took everything out but had so much fund and did so well I put 50 btc back in
[2017-01-31 11:06:10] Ugly_Old_Goat : Oh well,
[2017-01-31 11:06:40] Ugly_Old_Goat : I think I will be writing about my experiences
[2017-01-31 11:06:59] Ugly_Old_Goat : And start twitter and videos
[2017-01-31 11:07:19] Ugly_Old_Goat : If you remember me you know I do not bs
[2017-01-31 11:07:59] Ugly_Old_Goat : I help those who are ignorant and mock those who are fools.
[2017-01-31 11:08:07] Ugly_Old_Goat : I am a genuine jerk
[2017-01-31 11:12:09] Ahhere : Ugly_Old_Goat: do you trade your full stack or just a small %? I try to trade 10% at a atime only and only add more if I am sure of a move and need collateral to move liquidation price.
[2017-01-31 11:13:01] Ugly_Old_Goat : Only a fool would trade with full stack
[2017-01-31 11:13:10] Ahhere : made 3btc so far on this move expecting this one to finally be the break of 940 after recent attempts.
[2017-01-31 11:13:36] Ahhere : Ugly_Old_Goat: fools win big sometimes but I'm with you
[2017-01-31 11:14:14] Ugly_Old_Goat : Sometimes but lose eventually
[2017-01-31 11:15:14] Ugly_Old_Goat : Strategy (managing your stack) if far more important than tactics (tecnigch)
[2017-01-31 11:15:46] Ugly_Old_Goat : You can mostly be wrong and stiill do well if you manage your stack
[2017-01-31 11:16:16] Ugly_Old_Goat : But you can be right most the time and lose everything by not managing
[2017-01-31 11:16:39] Ahhere : Ugly_Old_Goat: truedat
[2017-01-31 11:16:51] Ugly_Old_Goat : The biggest risk I take in btc is the exchange risk
[2017-01-31 11:18:15] Ahhere : Because it's never hit me, it seems like lower risk than it surely is. Would be annoying in the extremis.
[2017-01-31 11:21:20] Ugly_Old_Goat : For example I bot 1btc of lte at .006 in 2015 and sold out over .027 for almost 5btc in July. I then bot 5btc of eth in Nov 2015... Problem was it was on Cryptsy!
[2017-01-31 11:24:53] Ugly_Old_Goat : if we pop 940 on spot we should run anothr 20-30
[2017-01-31 11:26:44] Ugly_Old_Goat : hold on to your shorts and pay the longs
[2017-01-31 11:27:17] Ugly_Old_Goat : '32 minutes to payday
[2017-01-31 11:28:27] FreeBitcoins : if my long is 100k how much does funding give me?
[2017-01-31 11:29:11] herpinator : 0.0144
[2017-01-31 11:29:28] Ugly_Old_Goat : a bunch, but market is also at $2 premium to mark
[2017-01-31 11:30:06] micmix : FreeBitcoins: 0.1333% of 100k = $133 USD, math is really simple
[2017-01-31 11:30:08] herpinator : oh I calculated from margin by accident lol
[2017-01-31 11:30:31] Ugly_Old_Goat : micmix is right
[2017-01-31 11:31:01] FreeBitcoins : so its the whole position not just margin thats ok
[2017-01-31 11:31:07] micmix : converted to bitcoin based on index price
[2017-01-31 11:38:28] rafaelnorman : for someone who is not in a position right now but wants to go long... what would be a good entry point?
[2017-01-31 11:39:16] micmix : market buy now and get funding
[2017-01-31 11:40:03] rafaelnorman : what does it mean to get funding?
[2017-01-31 11:40:15] micmix : you can get 250k below $940, it's a steal
[2017-01-31 11:40:46] micmix : rafaelnorman: you will get paid 0.1333% of your position value in 19 minutes if you are long
[2017-01-31 11:41:24] rafaelnorman : haha why does that happen? i never heard of that... (sorry i'm a bit new)
[2017-01-31 11:41:39] micmix : rafaelnorman: read this https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2017-01-31 11:41:57] micmix : > Funding: Periodic payments exchanged between the buyer and seller every 8 hours. If the rate is positive, then longs will pay and shorts will receive the rate, and vice versa if the rate is negative.
[2017-01-31 11:43:17] rafaelnorman : what does it mean... (the rate is positive) does it mean... compared to 8 hours ago?
[2017-01-31 11:44:15] Ugly_Old_Goat : I am long but a light seller from 936 to 940 hoping to buy a dip after funding
[2017-01-31 11:44:35] Ugly_Old_Goat : But will probably buy march if it is at discount
[2017-01-31 11:44:52] rafaelnorman : that's what i want to enter at goat... you think the dip will go below 130?
[2017-01-31 11:45:05] rafaelnorman : where* i want to enter at...
[2017-01-31 11:45:21] Ugly_Old_Goat : But I have been long for six months except for first week on Jan when I sold out all my spec position
[2017-01-31 11:45:34] rapidgains : infidel
[2017-01-31 11:45:40] Ugly_Old_Goat : So would no like to enter here but you have to start somewhere
[2017-01-31 11:45:50] rapidgains : you sold?!
[2017-01-31 11:46:03] rapidgains : thats a sin my friend
[2017-01-31 11:46:06] rafaelnorman : goat... what price would you advise me to enter a limit buy?
[2017-01-31 11:46:08] Ugly_Old_Goat : I have no idea
[2017-01-31 11:46:19] rafaelnorman : oh ok...
[2017-01-31 11:46:31] Ugly_Old_Goat : But always keep powder dry to reacts to what happens
[2017-01-31 11:46:40] rapidgains : remember
[2017-01-31 11:46:44] rapidgains : its a buythedipscheme
[2017-01-31 11:46:54] rapidgains : tell all your friends to buy bitcoin higher than you
[2017-01-31 11:47:03] micmix : rafaelnorman: funding rate is shown below order controls. right now it says "Funding Rate-0.1333% In 13 minutes"
[2017-01-31 11:47:06] Ugly_Old_Goat : I am so long I have btc coming out of my pores
[2017-01-31 11:47:34] Ugly_Old_Goat : This is the fist time I have been a seller since the market was over 1100
[2017-01-31 11:47:56] Ugly_Old_Goat : I am not shorting, just banking my profits
[2017-01-31 11:48:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 400 @ 935.14
[2017-01-31 11:49:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 400 @ 935.67
[2017-01-31 11:50:19] micmix : buy-buy-buy quickly, $940 is coming!
[2017-01-31 11:51:24] rapidgains : china books so thin lmao
[2017-01-31 11:51:45] Ugly_Old_Goat : bitstamp and bitfinex just took out 2 week high
[2017-01-31 11:52:00] micmix : bitcoin in china is dead
[2017-01-31 11:52:36] micmix : just hope that western pumpers are as good as Chinese ones
[2017-01-31 11:52:51] herpinator : the lion rises the dragon falls
[2017-01-31 11:52:54] Ugly_Old_Goat : the moving averages now confirm the trend change
[2017-01-31 11:53:19] rapidgains : micmix: china misses your liquidity
[2017-01-31 11:53:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 2 @ 6480.5 :punch: :whale:
[2017-01-31 11:54:09] Ugly_Old_Goat : Again, I was a very light seller here, but simply profit taking, still very heavily long but chances of another seloff is now remote
[2017-01-31 11:54:29] rapidgains : stamp made a 2 month high
[2017-01-31 11:54:40] rapidgains : time for finex to try
[2017-01-31 11:55:17] Ugly_Old_Goat : ??? @rapidgains ???? 2 month??? try 2 week
[2017-01-31 11:55:26] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 4850 @ 937.28
[2017-01-31 11:55:33] rapidgains : you know what i mean
[2017-01-31 11:55:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 4868 @ 937.43
[2017-01-31 11:55:51] REKT : :btc: :rocket: :crescent_moon:
[2017-01-31 11:56:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 500 @ 938.07
[2017-01-31 11:56:17] Ugly_Old_Goat : Ok I am out of my perp now so will not be collectng payday
[2017-01-31 11:56:30] meh : haha the panic buying
[2017-01-31 11:56:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 50 @ 944.45
[2017-01-31 11:56:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 24000 @ 943.93
[2017-01-31 11:56:43] bingbongfly : meh: panic closing of shorts!
[2017-01-31 11:56:57] meh : bingbongfly: or that! ^^^^
[2017-01-31 11:57:26] Ugly_Old_Goat : Should oop up to 985. but will start selling at 950 on scale up
[2017-01-31 11:58:05] Ugly_Old_Goat : shorts abut to get blown away
[2017-01-31 11:58:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 5050 @ 939.49
[2017-01-31 11:58:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 33868 @ 940.09
[2017-01-31 11:59:05] charlyko : yuummmmyyyyyy
[2017-01-31 11:59:45] Ahhere : Called it
[2017-01-31 11:59:50] Ahhere : next stop 980
[2017-01-31 12:00:40] -_- : damn
[2017-01-31 12:00:52] -_- : still holding my ltc long. didnt close and jump in btc
[2017-01-31 12:00:57] rapidgains : charlyko where you at
[2017-01-31 12:01:05] -_- : stupoooid
[2017-01-31 12:01:20] rafaelnorman : so does the funding rate go in the realised PNL?
[2017-01-31 12:01:32] Noobz : rafaelnorman: yes
[2017-01-31 12:02:22] rafaelnorman : thanks noobz
[2017-01-31 12:03:36] Ugly_Old_Goat : Ltc might be a good play but not here, you need to buy it on an exchange