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[2017-01-24 05:04:52] VenCap : and you seem to know what you are talking about
[2017-01-24 05:05:04] VenCap : so hey, go with the smart person
[2017-01-24 05:05:48] abbey : ok, thanks mate.
[2017-01-24 05:06:18] VenCap : hope your right. and we fly to 930
[2017-01-24 05:06:19] abbey : but don't go ALL in
[2017-01-24 05:06:50] VenCap : im a all or nothing type of person
[2017-01-24 05:06:53] abbey : VenCap: yeah, me too.
[2017-01-24 05:07:05] Tetsuo : MAX LEVERAGE MAX PROFIT
[2017-01-24 05:07:08] abbey : no not me too
[2017-01-24 05:07:20] Noobz : lol
[2017-01-24 05:07:29] abbey : me too for i hope too i'm right.
[2017-01-24 05:07:31] VenCap : x25%
[2017-01-24 05:07:41] abbey : I never go all in.
[2017-01-24 05:08:01] VenCap : thats why you are smart
[2017-01-24 05:08:55] Rado : for me to go all in I need to buy 3 mill contracts
[2017-01-24 05:09:03] VenCap : when is next "Funding" Tax here?
[2017-01-24 05:11:10] Tetsuo : Rado: that would be a nice REKT
[2017-01-24 05:11:36] Rado : yeah
[2017-01-24 05:11:38] Tetsuo : might even get your own name for that
[2017-01-24 05:12:10] Tetsuo : how much did trollboxer lose when he shorted zcash?
[2017-01-24 05:12:14] Tetsuo : 500BTC?
[2017-01-24 05:12:16] abbey : VenCap: on the right upper corner, almost 7 hours.
[2017-01-24 05:12:29] Rado : Tetsuo: no
[2017-01-24 05:12:34] VenCap : ah i see it
[2017-01-24 05:12:40] VenCap : do i know how much i will get taxed?
[2017-01-24 05:12:42] Tetsuo : Rado: how much was it?
[2017-01-24 05:12:55] abbey : VenCap: use stops if your all in.
[2017-01-24 05:12:57] Apocalyptic : okc so dead
[2017-01-24 05:13:04] Rado : don't remember exactly, but it was smaller
[2017-01-24 05:13:11] Tetsuo : k
[2017-01-24 05:13:16] Rado : rapidtrades will have the archives
[2017-01-24 05:13:18] VenCap : situation calls for no stops exit or get rekt
[2017-01-24 05:13:26] Tetsuo : Rado: i´m sure of that, lol
[2017-01-24 05:13:36] Rado : :-)
[2017-01-24 05:14:05] VenCap : do we know ho much will be taken from us, before it happens? roughly
[2017-01-24 05:14:27] VenCap : margin is 18.7btc
[2017-01-24 05:15:50] abbey : VenCap: next funding is positive for longs for now, 0,2586%
[2017-01-24 05:16:33] VenCap : poitive for longs? which means no fee?
[2017-01-24 05:16:34] VenCap : confused
[2017-01-24 05:16:37] abbey : i have to go now for a moment
[2017-01-24 05:20:04] micmix : VenCap: longs will get paid 0.2586% of position size
[2017-01-24 05:20:26] VenCap : what happens if it goes short?
[2017-01-24 05:20:37] VenCap : howdo you know its long now?
[2017-01-24 05:20:56] VenCap : how do we know if it goes "short
[2017-01-24 05:22:41] micmix : VenCap: it says "Funding Rate -0.2586% In 6 hours". -x% means shorts pay, longs get paid x%, +x% means shorts get paid, longs pay
[2017-01-24 05:32:08] Apocalyptic : micmix: have you noticed how volume dried up
[2017-01-24 05:34:06] guacamole : think the premiums are closing in due to boredom at this rate (though their existence was based on predicting a crash after the fee change as well)
[2017-01-24 05:35:36] guacamole : a week from now we might all miss the old china - at least people who like market action and orderbook liquidity
[2017-01-24 05:46:00] VenCap : how can the "funding Rate" swing from long to short? what needs to happen
[2017-01-24 05:49:20] Tetsuo : everyone cry a fuckin river for china
[2017-01-24 05:50:01] Apocalyptic : china dumping
[2017-01-24 05:50:44] VenCap : how does the funding rate change from long to short?
[2017-01-24 05:50:46] VenCap : anyone please?
[2017-01-24 05:51:04] Apocalyptic : look at the orderbooks
[2017-01-24 05:51:08] Apocalyptic : there is nothing left
[2017-01-24 05:51:14] VenCap : on the buy side?
[2017-01-24 05:51:16] guacamole : VenCap: funding rate is used to keep the swap price pinned to the index price. When the price is lower than the index, shorts pay longs to incentivize people to buy in.
[2017-01-24 05:51:18] VenCap : or in general
[2017-01-24 05:51:39] VenCap : when do longs pay shorts?
[2017-01-24 05:51:45] aethlios : VenCap: funding rate is the average premium or discount of swap price from index, so if swap traded below index because traders are bearish it is a discount
[2017-01-24 05:52:13] VenCap : and in simple terms? how does the lending rate favour shorts?
[2017-01-24 05:52:32] VenCap : "when the price s lower than index" What price ? what index please> :O)
[2017-01-24 05:52:34] guacamole : it doesn't favor shorts, there are just more people who want to short now
[2017-01-24 05:52:38] herpinator : volume is so low
[2017-01-24 05:52:43] VenCap : ah ok.
[2017-01-24 05:52:58] aethlios : if swap is above spot, so a premium, shorts earn the funding, no happens the opposite and shorts pay to longs
[2017-01-24 05:53:12] VenCap : so in simple terms, it taxes people who are in the biggest "orders" in this case, more people are hsorting so they pay the tax, right?
[2017-01-24 05:53:30] herpinator : guacamole: every time I see your name I think of jeb! and his guacbowls
[2017-01-24 05:53:39] aethlios : price is the xbtusd price, index is xbt/usd spot (up in the screen)
[2017-01-24 05:53:53] guacamole : herpinator: good ole' jeb
[2017-01-24 05:54:03] guacamole : sorry, iJeb!
[2017-01-24 05:55:07] aethlios : VenCap: because someone has to do the sucker and go the opposite direction, now shorts pay longs to convince them to play the sucker long trade.
[2017-01-24 05:55:50] aethlios : VenCap: you can use march contract which has no funding.
[2017-01-24 05:58:38] VenCap : thanks aethlios
[2017-01-24 05:58:52] VenCap : still unclear how it decides, but there is ay too much to understand here
[2017-01-24 05:59:02] VenCap : and i iwill get rekt before any of it even mater most liekly
[2017-01-24 06:00:02] aethlios : VenCap: demand and supply push it above or below index, no supply is much stronger and price is traded below index to match the supply demand equality.
[2017-01-24 06:01:12] VenCap : aethlios, and Vol dropping would sugest BTC gonig south, not uber up like Abbey says
[2017-01-24 06:01:15] guacamole : VenCap: index price is based on other exchanges if that's what is confusing you
[2017-01-24 06:01:48] VenCap : in simple terms
[2017-01-24 06:01:53] guacamole : that's one interpretation of the situation, if it were obvious, it would already be priced in
[2017-01-24 06:02:29] VenCap : if price drops to $900 long get paid right
[2017-01-24 06:03:43] guacamole : funding is based on the difference between bitmex price and index price, not the price itself
[2017-01-24 06:04:35] guacamole : it's also an average over 8 hours - longs will certainly get paid next 2 funding rounds
[2017-01-24 06:05:11] guacamole : all this stuff is explained in the references if you look there
[2017-01-24 06:06:59] VenCap : so the lower it goes, the more logns get paid, well compensated for huge losses
[2017-01-24 06:07:07] VenCap : unless they are rekt and they get jack
[2017-01-24 06:07:09] VenCap : right?
[2017-01-24 06:12:57] aethlios : VenCap: false, the lower swap stays below index makes longs get paid.
[2017-01-24 06:18:23] VenCap : what is index now?
[2017-01-24 06:18:29] micmix : bitcoin is dead: "Sorry. we are unable to accept deposit from non-Chinese mainland customers currently."
[2017-01-24 06:18:30] aethlios : where is sleger?? what he thinks about the market??
[2017-01-24 06:18:37] micmix : that's on okc
[2017-01-24 06:18:53] aethlios : micmix: okcoin spot??
[2017-01-24 06:19:13] micmix : aethlios: spot cny market
[2017-01-24 06:19:43] aethlios : micmix: okcoin intern. is ok for now. shows me btc deposit address
[2017-01-24 06:20:06] aethlios : micmix: can you find if they implemented 0.2%
[2017-01-24 06:20:13] micmix : international is fine but Chinese markets are done
[2017-01-24 06:20:42] micmix : aethlios: no, I pulled all money out, can't place orders
[2017-01-24 06:21:55] aethlios : thanks!!
[2017-01-24 06:22:31] aethlios : micmix: so volume will go even lower because of foreigners wont allowed to trade.
[2017-01-24 06:22:53] VenCap : low vol = drop, surely
[2017-01-24 06:23:11] micmix : yeah, I would hedge all your coins just in case
[2017-01-24 06:23:17] abbey : bitstamp quiet, no volume at all.
[2017-01-24 06:24:08] micmix : not accepting deposits from non-Chinese accounts is new, was working yesterday
[2017-01-24 06:25:06] abbey : big moves about to happen soon
[2017-01-24 06:25:09] aethlios : micmix: this maybe is not known to the market yet, maybe a new pboc rule.
[2017-01-24 06:25:41] abbey : calm before the storm
[2017-01-24 06:26:55] VenCap : abbey up?
[2017-01-24 06:27:03] VenCap : H&S reversed still in play?
[2017-01-24 06:27:15] VenCap : i cant see how it cna rise when vol is falling off thecliff
[2017-01-24 06:28:06] Papou : dude dont listen to the reverse head and shoulders
[2017-01-24 06:28:08] Papou : thats so dumb
[2017-01-24 06:28:20] Papou : and irrational
[2017-01-24 06:28:24] abbey : 12h chart possible reversed H&S looks more interesting at the moment
[2017-01-24 06:28:32] Papou : to pump billions just to paint a pattern
[2017-01-24 06:28:35] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/uQdgotA4/
[2017-01-24 06:28:51] Papou : yup aethlios
[2017-01-24 06:28:56] Papou : orea malaka
[2017-01-24 06:29:02] Papou : akrivos
[2017-01-24 06:29:12] aethlios : mfi daily started going down last 2 days, 37 now, has room to fall below 20
[2017-01-24 06:29:23] Papou : stochRSI 1d is STRONG SELL
[2017-01-24 06:30:13] aethlios : Papou: where are you from?
[2017-01-24 06:30:26] VenCap : Papou you think we go dwon?
[2017-01-24 06:30:34] VenCap : aethlios down to 20?
[2017-01-24 06:30:45] abbey : Papou: so it was Dec 21, look what happened
[2017-01-24 06:31:14] abbey : papou indicator blinks up
[2017-01-24 06:31:28] Papou : greece
[2017-01-24 06:31:31] aethlios : VenCap: 20 is for MFI index
[2017-01-24 06:31:43] Papou : bulls are trapped guys
[2017-01-24 06:31:44] aethlios : Papou: athens?
[2017-01-24 06:31:57] VenCap : i see
[2017-01-24 06:32:01] Papou : yep
[2017-01-24 06:32:11] Papou : market is at stand still
[2017-01-24 06:32:17] Papou : bears are laughing
[2017-01-24 06:32:20] Papou : sharpening the knives
[2017-01-24 06:32:45] VenCap : runs to the hills
[2017-01-24 06:32:59] Papou : if i was long i would market dump right now honestly
[2017-01-24 06:33:00] VenCap : women and children get to safety first...
[2017-01-24 06:33:02] Papou : cut my losses
[2017-01-24 06:34:02] Papou : bear signal was yesterday, uptrend broke
[2017-01-24 06:34:11] Papou : doji signal was seen today on the daily
[2017-01-24 06:34:18] Papou : and who wants to pump plebs to riches
[2017-01-24 06:34:20] Papou : china volume dead
[2017-01-24 06:34:23] Papou : what more do u guys want?
[2017-01-24 06:34:24] aethlios : VenCap: we have to exchange them for btc when bottom is in, buy them back at top
[2017-01-24 06:34:52] VenCap : exchange women and children for Bitcoin.. will things get so bad :P
[2017-01-24 06:35:07] Papou : guys wake up
[2017-01-24 06:35:09] Papou : analysis
[2017-01-24 06:35:22] Papou : http://www.newsbtc.com/2017/01/24/bitcoin-price-technical-analysis-01242017-reversal-candlesticks-sighted/
[2017-01-24 06:35:31] Papou : u guys want the batsignal or something in the sky?
[2017-01-24 06:35:36] aethlios : Papou: I live in Greece also.
[2017-01-24 06:35:40] Papou : nice
[2017-01-24 06:35:45] Papou : im short from 934
[2017-01-24 06:35:49] Papou : im pretty happy
[2017-01-24 06:36:08] narnarfromnarnia : Papou: you didn't at least close on that panic drop?
[2017-01-24 06:36:26] narnarfromnarnia : and re-open at 925
[2017-01-24 06:36:28] Papou : no
[2017-01-24 06:36:38] narnarfromnarnia : what about ADL
[2017-01-24 06:36:43] Papou : nope im good
[2017-01-24 06:36:44] narnarfromnarnia : must have been close
[2017-01-24 06:36:52] Papou : im bear riding this all the way
[2017-01-24 06:37:00] Papou : u got the doji signal bro
[2017-01-24 06:37:05] Papou : and china left into gold last week
[2017-01-24 06:37:06] Papou : come on...
[2017-01-24 06:37:24] Papou : bitcoin got okie dokied
[2017-01-24 06:38:34] Papou : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-19/chinese-investors-exit-bitcoin-flood-gold-etfs
[2017-01-24 06:38:53] Papou : u dont think this was all insider pump from knowing pboc imposing trading fees?
[2017-01-24 06:39:06] Papou : bobby lee gagnam styled the west
[2017-01-24 06:39:22] Papou : 920 still good short guys
[2017-01-24 06:39:29] Papou : just ride it until u get ADL
[2017-01-24 06:39:42] Apocalyptic : Papou: of course it was insider pump
[2017-01-24 06:39:47] Apocalyptic : it's pretty clear now
[2017-01-24 06:39:53] Papou : yup
[2017-01-24 06:40:00] Papou : and all of okcoin is LONG
[2017-01-24 06:40:04] Papou : wait until shorts open
[2017-01-24 06:40:06] Papou : LOLOLOL
[2017-01-24 06:40:14] Apocalyptic : Papou: they'll get rekt
[2017-01-24 06:40:34] Papou : bro i am saying a prayer for all the poor souls
[2017-01-24 06:40:43] Apocalyptic : although with this volume it may take some time
[2017-01-24 06:41:02] Papou : no
[2017-01-24 06:41:06] Papou : they locked the books
[2017-01-24 06:41:09] Papou : bears are taunting
[2017-01-24 06:41:15] Papou : bulls are sweating and have no clue what to do
[2017-01-24 06:41:26] Papou : the death was that last 2000 btc finex pump
[2017-01-24 06:41:30] Papou : died on the cross
[2017-01-24 06:41:35] Papou : west had to symbolize jesus
[2017-01-24 06:41:40] Apocalyptic : I just wanna see some action
[2017-01-24 06:41:41] Papou : china ready to celebrate new years
[2017-01-24 06:41:52] Papou : bro im taking my profits and partying in hong kong
[2017-01-24 06:41:57] Apocalyptic : this market looks dead
[2017-01-24 06:42:08] Apocalyptic : Papou: with the bitmex guys ?
[2017-01-24 06:42:11] Papou : yup
[2017-01-24 06:42:17] Apocalyptic : I heard they're in HK as well
[2017-01-24 06:42:45] Apocalyptic : Papou: well enjoy bro
[2017-01-24 06:43:12] Papou : apocalyptic depending on how low it goes and when i get ADL, ill pay ur plane ticket and hotel
[2017-01-24 06:43:46] Papou : join the party
[2017-01-24 06:43:49] Papou : chinese gonna party
[2017-01-24 06:43:58] Papou : we go drink with bobby lee
[2017-01-24 06:46:33] abbey : sure thing
[2017-01-24 06:47:03] abbey : have fun!
[2017-01-24 06:47:44] abbey : greetings to bobby
[2017-01-24 06:55:26] VenCap : Arise Chikun
[2017-01-24 06:57:28] dodic : wow there is basically almost 0 volume on OKC
[2017-01-24 06:59:17] abbey : still before tsunami
[2017-01-24 06:59:20] stevenmst : same on huobi
[2017-01-24 07:05:31] herpinator : tiny volume, calm before the storm perhaps
[2017-01-24 07:08:05] herpinator : lets spend this time getting aesthetic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lGWEsQl4WU
[2017-01-24 07:08:14] aethlios : good luck holding that market cap with so little real volume.
[2017-01-24 07:10:38] Apocalyptic : @aethlios I'm really curious how it'll play out
[2017-01-24 07:13:55] aethlios : we have no leader exchange now.
[2017-01-24 07:14:19] VenCap : to the bunkers....
[2017-01-24 07:14:23] VenCap : cover your ases...
[2017-01-24 07:14:26] VenCap : red army on the march
[2017-01-24 07:14:55] aethlios : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBuvRk1thQ bulls still believe.
[2017-01-24 07:14:58] herpinator : yeh I don't know where to watch really. I used to watch OKcoin because of the high volume there.
[2017-01-24 07:15:45] Papou : this is sad
[2017-01-24 07:15:55] Papou : i think everyone is scared to sell because of how big a panic it would be
[2017-01-24 07:29:04] VenCap : okcoin keep throwing mus at wall hoping it will stick
[2017-01-24 07:29:13] VenCap : wall made of teflon...
[2017-01-24 07:57:21] BetterNick : Does anyone has any idea why the quarters (okcoin and bitmex) are trading so below their index? Negative sentiment or is something else going on here?
[2017-01-24 07:58:29] FreeBitcoins : perhaps... something more sinister...
[2017-01-24 07:58:50] micmix : BetterNick: everyone is scared sh1tless
[2017-01-24 08:00:12] BetterNick : Of what? Because of the cange of thr fee structure of chinese exchanges?
[2017-01-24 08:00:15] VenCap : i think peeps beter be well stocked up on lube
[2017-01-24 08:00:20] BetterNick : *change
[2017-01-24 08:01:08] FreeBitcoins : next 4hr will be challenging
[2017-01-24 08:01:23] VenCap : unless you are long and we hit $900
[2017-01-24 08:01:34] BetterNick : How does it work for the Chinese customers who had a long position on the quarter? I guess they can login, acces the futures but only sell their position to 0?
[2017-01-24 08:04:46] Noobz : 9 to 6 hours ago was more interesting then it is now...
[2017-01-24 08:04:53] Noobz : is this the eye of the storm?
[2017-01-24 08:13:00] aethlios : 550 easily
[2017-01-24 08:13:31] narnarfromnarnia : aethlios: you and mike are super bearish?
[2017-01-24 08:13:42] narnarfromnarnia : but there's a lot of shorts to pay and have to close
[2017-01-24 08:13:52] aethlios : fake volume fake price, back down.
[2017-01-24 08:13:56] narnarfromnarnia : regardless im sitting out
[2017-01-24 08:14:05] narnarfromnarnia : i caught that 880 bottom though
[2017-01-24 08:14:12] narnarfromnarnia : only went 2 bucks below my order
[2017-01-24 08:14:36] narnarfromnarnia : i followed my idea to just place my buy 10 bucks below when i think i should lol
[2017-01-24 08:15:26] narnarfromnarnia : where is support
[2017-01-24 08:15:35] narnarfromnarnia : or does it even matter now all different game
[2017-01-24 08:16:36] BetterNick : Does anyone know if chinese customers can only close their position in the futures when they login?
[2017-01-24 08:16:43] BetterNick : at ok-coin
[2017-01-24 08:17:07] aethlios : narnarfromnarnia: major support 730, trendline from 200 and ema 200. if this is lost we go much low, 400 maybe
[2017-01-24 08:18:15] narnarfromnarnia : that's pretty bearish
[2017-01-24 08:18:22] l3f : Wow some serious volume in China
[2017-01-24 08:19:08] narnarfromnarnia : im pretty sure the traders that trade high frequency are going to want to exit
[2017-01-24 08:19:12] narnarfromnarnia : right?
[2017-01-24 08:19:22] l3f : "high frequency"
[2017-01-24 08:19:26] VenCap : i wil lexit at 600 USD
[2017-01-24 08:19:50] FreeBitcoins : hft limited on okc to 20 per sec which is v slow
[2017-01-24 08:20:08] narnarfromnarnia : yeah
[2017-01-24 08:20:10] l3f : Wow extremely bearish premium
[2017-01-24 08:20:13] narnarfromnarnia : i mean higher frequency
[2017-01-24 08:20:15] l3f : we all waiting for 800?
[2017-01-24 08:20:29] l3f : bearish funding*
[2017-01-24 08:20:29] narnarfromnarnia : im scared of flat
[2017-01-24 08:21:11] VenCap : lets get Bitconi back to $600 so we cna start a real rise without such drama
[2017-01-24 08:21:19] VenCap : this is thel ast time to make good money from widl swings
[2017-01-24 08:21:42] herpinator : volume down on cny by about 80% from the 30 day average
[2017-01-24 08:21:52] l3f : VenCap: You mean a 4 year bear market?
[2017-01-24 08:22:17] VenCap : well 4 year bull market would be better
[2017-01-24 08:22:57] l3f : VenCap: not at this height
[2017-01-24 08:23:21] VenCap : thats why i say back to 600 USD to begin again ?
[2017-01-24 08:25:04] VenCap : oh no... its happening...
[2017-01-24 08:25:14] aethlios : why 600? we went 465 with finex, this is worst.
[2017-01-24 08:25:21] aethlios : worse
[2017-01-24 08:26:17] VenCap : thsi is worsE? at 915?
[2017-01-24 08:27:31] airitout : ok i just woke up. Why is price still up?
[2017-01-24 08:28:27] VenCap : its a trap
[2017-01-24 08:30:32] Noobz : Meanwhile the mempool of tx is still growing
[2017-01-24 08:31:24] Derreck : that's not good
[2017-01-24 08:31:50] Noobz : 65k of tx atm
[2017-01-24 08:34:14] Derreck : discount is pretty bad
[2017-01-24 08:36:20] VenCap : but Mommy, Abbey told me to go long, i went all in.. now i lose Bitcoin, Momym help.
[2017-01-24 08:39:00] narnarfromnarnia : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/5pu15o/daily_discussion_tuesday_january_24_2017/
[2017-01-24 08:39:04] narnarfromnarnia : first comment there
[2017-01-24 08:39:08] narnarfromnarnia : aethlios:
[2017-01-24 08:39:32] narnarfromnarnia : could see a big margin call around 950's if we got there and one of those contract holders is on 4x
[2017-01-24 08:39:44] narnarfromnarnia : but there's no buy power or there might be
[2017-01-24 08:41:03] airitout : https://data.bitcoinity.org/markets/volume/10m?c=e&r=minute&t=bar
[2017-01-24 08:44:57] Derreck : narnarfromnarnia: interesting
[2017-01-24 08:45:07] airitout : its crazy to see how much marketshare btcchina and OK-Coin has. Combined they have 85% marketshare over an 24h timeperiod
[2017-01-24 08:54:43] Ahhere : BetterNick: one theory is a 40k btc whale short on okcoin futures. He will get margin called at 950 best guess. He was trying to get to 820 to survive
[2017-01-24 08:55:35] VenCap : he will get there
[2017-01-24 08:55:36] Ahhere : Market selling last night on his last chance margin.
[2017-01-24 08:55:58] Ahhere : Short squeeze gonna be magical
[2017-01-24 08:58:29] Ahhere : He added 500 btc to his position in the dump
[2017-01-24 08:58:40] VenCap : to his short position?
[2017-01-24 08:59:42] VenCap : we just seen the short squeeze before
[2017-01-24 08:59:47] VenCap : it failed to rise market
[2017-01-24 09:00:29] Ahhere : That was some of his symbiotes
[2017-01-24 09:00:43] Ahhere : He's got deep pckets
[2017-01-24 09:01:02] Ahhere : But no margin now
[2017-01-24 09:02:36] VenCap : if a 40k bitcoin whale is going short, im going to ride along with him
[2017-01-24 09:03:10] VenCap : looks liek hes pushing up price on okcoin to get more leverage
[2017-01-24 09:03:23] VenCap : 2 obviously fake bids near 200btc each
[2017-01-24 09:04:48] VenCap : and like a magican... poof. they are gone
[2017-01-24 09:04:49] abbey : VenCap: what is this: _but Mommy, Abbey told me to go long, i went all in.. now i lose Bitcoin, Momym help._ ??
[2017-01-24 09:05:08] VenCap : Abbey convinved me to go long :)
[2017-01-24 09:05:23] VenCap : something to do with Reverse Head and Shoulders and big uptrend.
[2017-01-24 09:05:25] abbey : didn't tell u to go long arsehole!
[2017-01-24 09:05:29] VenCap : but then i cut my losses.
[2017-01-24 09:05:42] VenCap : you sound like expert chart reader @abbey
[2017-01-24 09:05:46] VenCap : so i went with your judgement.
[2017-01-24 09:05:52] VenCap : No you did not tell anyone to do anythung
[2017-01-24 09:05:59] VenCap : i took your words as gospel
[2017-01-24 09:06:00] abbey : and certainly did not tell u go all in w high lev!!
[2017-01-24 09:06:00] VenCap : :O)
[2017-01-24 09:06:05] abbey : moron
[2017-01-24 09:06:13] VenCap : hey ease up.
[2017-01-24 09:06:29] VenCap : us noobs are easily swayed when caught in two minds
[2017-01-24 09:06:36] abbey : u do your own decicions here!
[2017-01-24 09:06:50] VenCap : correct
[2017-01-24 09:07:48] VenCap : Moron nort heard that one in quite some time, thanks for the walk down memory lane.
[2017-01-24 09:10:07] VenCap : and it is actually starting to look positive now BTC rise.
[2017-01-24 09:15:43] abbey : yes, just wait and see. already increased my long position size earlier. @VenCap
[2017-01-24 09:16:22] VenCap : good advice . wait for betterindicator
[2017-01-24 09:16:43] VenCap : how long have you margin traded BTCfro?
[2017-01-24 09:16:51] VenCap : btc for
[2017-01-24 09:17:31] abbey : few years
[2017-01-24 09:18:04] VenCap : very good. inthat time you have made gains?
[2017-01-24 09:20:35] abbey : no gains. first profit this year. I was terrible trader first year and bad trader 2 years
[2017-01-24 09:21:11] abbey : I started as a bull @ bearmarket
[2017-01-24 09:22:28] abbey : Now I feel i'm doing pretty well.
[2017-01-24 09:23:41] abbey : first rule to remember is to use stop orders. Didn't use to do that in my early years.
[2017-01-24 09:24:15] abbey : first rule to me at least.
[2017-01-24 09:25:31] abbey : I traded @ okcoin before moving here
[2017-01-24 09:26:01] Ahhere : . @abbey what u think about this bearwhale futures theory
[2017-01-24 09:26:22] airitout : don't believe him Vencap, he is not Soros
[2017-01-24 09:26:55] abbey : Ahhere: interesting
[2017-01-24 09:27:33] airitout : no professional uses stops. he just constantly analyze market
[2017-01-24 09:28:11] Ahhere : airitout: stops are for bedtime amirite?
[2017-01-24 09:28:59] abbey : Ahhere: exactly
[2017-01-24 09:29:40] BTC-Noob : Ahhere: stops are worse than panick sells haha
[2017-01-24 09:31:56] abbey : too many times got rekt in sleep, never ever
[2017-01-24 09:32:24] herpinator : what exchange is leading the market now?
[2017-01-24 09:32:41] abbey : we are
[2017-01-24 09:32:44] airitout : https://data.bitcoinity.org/markets/volume/10m?c=e&r=minute&t=bar
[2017-01-24 09:33:10] VenCap : i did not use stop order recently got rekt for 7BTC
[2017-01-24 09:33:10] Apocalyptic : herpinator: I would say okc still
[2017-01-24 09:33:18] herpinator : airitout: thank you for the link
[2017-01-24 09:33:23] VenCap : yup, happened while i slept also
[2017-01-24 09:33:33] airitout : herpinator: np
[2017-01-24 09:33:35] VenCap : now i am chasing losses
[2017-01-24 09:33:39] VenCap : going to get rekt harder
[2017-01-24 09:33:58] VenCap : still not using stops, i dont trust them
[2017-01-24 09:34:32] VenCap : QUESTION: how cna Realised PLN go UP if i do not sell
[2017-01-24 09:34:37] VenCap : fees being added all the time?
[2017-01-24 09:34:54] Ahhere : VenCap: yes
[2017-01-24 09:35:04] VenCap : eek
[2017-01-24 09:35:16] VenCap : then in just over 2hrs i will got big fees ontop on ongonig fees
[2017-01-24 09:35:16] Ahhere : Funding
[2017-01-24 09:35:20] VenCap : it sucks
[2017-01-24 09:35:30] Ahhere : Doesn't suck if long.
[2017-01-24 09:35:48] VenCap : yeah i went short now, went against judgement to try and change my luck
[2017-01-24 09:35:57] Noobz : it sucks to get coin, thats a new one
[2017-01-24 09:36:00] VenCap : now i will leave it, death or glory
[2017-01-24 09:36:06] Ahhere : Was -0.375 recently
[2017-01-24 09:36:13] VenCap : 350k contracts
[2017-01-24 09:36:17] Ahhere : Now -0.2
[2017-01-24 09:36:30] VenCap : so, what happens? people who are short get taxed on their margin?
[2017-01-24 09:36:30] bingbongfly : What was that, a dump for ants?
[2017-01-24 09:37:38] herpinator : lol
[2017-01-24 09:38:14] Apocalyptic : bingbongfly: it's the new normal
[2017-01-24 09:38:20] Apocalyptic : get used to it
[2017-01-24 09:39:31] VenCap : abbey: how to use stops here effectivley pleas
[2017-01-24 09:42:26] airitout : sell it vencap, believe me
[2017-01-24 09:42:57] airitout : ah nvm , you went short
[2017-01-24 09:43:18] VenCap : i think when it comes to margin trading, best thing to do is Flip a Coin.
[2017-01-24 09:43:42] VenCap : airitout you think this is a fake rise?
[2017-01-24 09:43:51] VenCap : before big red?
[2017-01-24 09:44:19] airitout : yup between 1200 - and 1400
[2017-01-24 09:44:38] aethlios : longs try to hold the line with no volume.
[2017-01-24 09:45:10] airitout : very curious how market price will react when the 60k btc gets confirmed
[2017-01-24 09:45:50] VenCap : between 1200 and 1440 ? USD?
[2017-01-24 09:45:59] Noobz : airitout: you mean the backlog of tx?
[2017-01-24 09:46:14] airitout : hours (CEST) @VenCap
[2017-01-24 09:46:21] airitout : Noobz: yes
[2017-01-24 09:46:31] VenCap : Central European Time?
[2017-01-24 09:46:32] Apocalyptic : aethlios: "no volume" hard to compare it to anything before
[2017-01-24 09:46:37] airitout : ya
[2017-01-24 09:47:11] VenCap : someone is moving 60,000 Bitcoins?
[2017-01-24 09:47:19] airitout : i leave now.. have stats exam
[2017-01-24 09:47:21] airitout : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/5ptexx/60000_unconfirmed_transactions_currently_coin/
[2017-01-24 09:47:31] VenCap : thanks for link. good luck with exam
[2017-01-24 09:47:34] airitout : thx
[2017-01-24 09:48:28] aethlios : 402 spot fib 0.236 for the move 170 to 1165.
[2017-01-24 09:49:36] VenCap : ?
[2017-01-24 09:49:41] VenCap : which mean?
[2017-01-24 09:49:59] aethlios : VenCap: a nice re entry long price.
[2017-01-24 09:50:20] VenCap : i dont understnad, long from what price?
[2017-01-24 09:50:27] VenCap : areyou tlking about bitcoin?
[2017-01-24 09:50:32] aethlios : 402 buy target
[2017-01-24 09:50:40] VenCap : 402 usd ?
[2017-01-24 09:50:47] aethlios : yes 402 usd
[2017-01-24 09:51:04] VenCap : holly molly mother of polly... say whaaaaaaaat
[2017-01-24 09:51:20] VenCap : [[[[[[[]'/;;;;;###########################
[2017-01-24 09:51:22] VenCap : #########
[2017-01-24 09:51:54] VenCap : sorry got piece of nail clipping inside laptop keypad
[2017-01-24 09:52:25] herpinator : its eerie when its low volume like this
[2017-01-24 09:53:03] VenCap : like the dumb blone chick in horror moving, hearing something really bad, but still goes to investigate? (that kinds eerie)?
[2017-01-24 09:53:18] herpinator : yes lol
[2017-01-24 09:53:24] VenCap : i got ya.
[2017-01-24 09:53:45] herpinator : whenever it goes quiet like this there is a big move just around the corner
[2017-01-24 09:53:55] aethlios : where is sleger?
[2017-01-24 09:56:51] micmix : aethlios: busted by Chinese communists
[2017-01-24 09:57:26] micmix : for trying to trade bitcoin on the mainland
[2017-01-24 09:57:36] Nerve : aethlios: you mean there is a probability to see btc under $700 soon ???
[2017-01-24 09:57:57] aethlios : Nerve: 730 the most important level.
[2017-01-24 09:58:35] Nerve : HollyMotherOfGod
[2017-01-24 09:59:03] Nerve : but, yes...is possible
[2017-01-24 09:59:08] herpinator : Just a regular ugly joe in a doggy dog world, holly mother of god
[2017-01-24 09:59:24] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/x7tYDTR1/
[2017-01-24 10:01:04] aethlios : bulls have to defend 740 at any cost, through any usd they have left.
[2017-01-24 10:01:30] aethlios : 400 a nice entry for the 10,000 bull market.
[2017-01-24 10:02:07] charlyko : long time
[2017-01-24 10:02:23] charlyko : mirning sirs
[2017-01-24 10:02:27] charlyko : morning*
[2017-01-24 10:03:27] VenCap : guys when do you think we could see these levels? below 800 usd?
[2017-01-24 10:03:36] VenCap : my fees might be higher than my profits by then lol
[2017-01-24 10:04:17] aethlios : VenCap: are you short? short swap? jump to march
[2017-01-24 10:04:30] VenCap : short,
[2017-01-24 10:04:40] VenCap : normal, do not know any other way, i am as green as grass
[2017-01-24 10:04:49] VenCap : march time... a few months yet.
[2017-01-24 10:05:14] aethlios : you can short XBTH17 which has no funding.
[2017-01-24 10:06:11] VenCap : ah i did not know that. where, here?
[2017-01-24 10:06:15] aethlios : will lose 5 usd per btc in next 10 hours with funding
[2017-01-24 10:06:26] aethlios : VenCap: here
[2017-01-24 10:06:36] VenCap : wow. so i am due to loose close to $100
[2017-01-24 10:06:45] aethlios : VenCap: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBTH17
[2017-01-24 10:06:45] VenCap : onytop of the ongoing fees which stand at 1btc
[2017-01-24 10:06:51] VenCap : thanks.
[2017-01-24 10:07:01] VenCap : will try without funding if i survive this. on my last bitcoins here
[2017-01-24 10:10:15] abbey : VenCap: it's way more volatile than swap
[2017-01-24 10:10:45] abbey : perp swap
[2017-01-24 10:11:24] VenCap : volatile? the xbt17 ?
[2017-01-24 10:11:34] VenCap : more volatile than this ?
[2017-01-24 10:11:43] VenCap : what is this? (XBTUSD) ?
[2017-01-24 10:11:46] abbey : yes
[2017-01-24 10:15:24] abbey : if this is too hot to handle then xbth17 will rekt u harder
[2017-01-24 10:17:00] VenCap : ah, i dont need rekt harder. i feel like a new girl in the "stable" as it is.
[2017-01-24 10:17:57] micmix : okcoin orderbooks are almost completely empty. it's going to be brutal, as expected
[2017-01-24 10:18:13] Apocalyptic : micmix: yeah it's insane
[2017-01-24 10:18:23] aethlios : this is wild west of speculation non stop 24/7/365
[2017-01-24 10:18:24] Apocalyptic : liquidity has literally evaporated
[2017-01-24 10:18:40] micmix : Apocalyptic: they disabled international accounts
[2017-01-24 10:19:01] micmix : I'm so happy I pulled all my money out a week ago
[2017-01-24 10:19:08] VenCap : as Brutal as MtGox?
[2017-01-24 10:19:10] Apocalyptic : micmix: completely in okcny ?
[2017-01-24 10:19:54] micmix : Apocalyptic: yep, says "Sorry. we are unable to accept deposit from non-Chinese mainland customers currently." on the deposit page
[2017-01-24 10:20:03] Apocalyptic : was a nice hunch :) @micmix
[2017-01-24 10:20:53] micmix : Communist party said: Chinese exchanges are for the people! (only Chinese people that is)
[2017-01-24 10:21:32] micmix : and now it begins
[2017-01-24 10:22:04] dodic : lol
[2017-01-24 10:22:25] dodic : still micro dumps
[2017-01-24 10:22:39] herpinator : dumps for ants
[2017-01-24 10:22:58] VenCap : "nothing to see here...move alongs tyle dump"
[2017-01-24 10:23:27] charlyko : buy 909 sell 915
[2017-01-24 10:27:03] micmix : okc cny 0.6% spread for 10 btc
[2017-01-24 10:27:03] VenCap : "Very god price , you buy now...."
[2017-01-24 10:27:18] VenCap : walk around the corner to see it on sale for 50% less a week later
[2017-01-24 10:29:46] Apocalyptic : micmix: they could use some MMing :)
[2017-01-24 10:30:29] herpinator : looking at okc books reminds me of trading btc-e on spot long ago
[2017-01-24 10:30:41] micmix : they won't get much better charging 0.2% maker fee @Apocalyptic
[2017-01-24 10:31:28] Apocalyptic : micmix: I guess they will negotiate preferential fees with someone
[2017-01-24 10:34:17] micmix : they should bc this is ridiculous
[2017-01-24 10:41:15] BTC-Noob : traps everywhere, btc is the undisputed king of bull and bear traps
[2017-01-24 10:47:41] VenCap : Noob Traps? Bear Traps, Bull Traps. Rooster Traps?
[2017-01-24 10:48:32] bingbongfly : guys look at volume after fees on woodchippar
[2017-01-24 10:48:33] bingbongfly : https://gyazo.com/c85b65dd258320efc365d7cdb322bafb
[2017-01-24 10:48:35] bingbongfly : holy fuk
[2017-01-24 10:48:38] bingbongfly : that washtrading
[2017-01-24 10:50:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 3200 @ 6191.2
[2017-01-24 10:50:14] VenCap : wash trading?
[2017-01-24 10:50:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1300 @ 908.51
[2017-01-24 10:50:22] VenCap : eek....
[2017-01-24 10:50:46] bingbongfly : VenCap: washtrading means that you buy and sell to yourself to make the appearance of volume
[2017-01-24 10:50:56] bingbongfly : easy to do if there are no fees on the sells and buys
[2017-01-24 10:51:10] bingbongfly : as soon as the fees kicked in, the volume dried up
[2017-01-24 10:51:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 12960 @ 906.87
[2017-01-24 10:51:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 125 @ 887.95
[2017-01-24 10:51:44] VenCap : aah.. great like on bittrex
[2017-01-24 10:51:53] VenCap : i never knew it was named that
[2017-01-24 10:52:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 26552 @ 904.38
[2017-01-24 10:52:21] REKT : Abandon the ship!
[2017-01-24 10:52:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 30 @ 903.34
[2017-01-24 10:52:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5000 @ 902.81
[2017-01-24 10:53:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 7420 @ 901.21
[2017-01-24 10:53:16] airitout : this is what we came for
[2017-01-24 10:53:20] VenCap : Crazy bitcoin might take a beating now.
[2017-01-24 10:53:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 63 @ 897.87
[2017-01-24 10:53:33] Noobz : airitout: yup
[2017-01-24 10:53:42] FreeBitcoins : that was cute
[2017-01-24 10:53:42] airitout : vencap.. remember my prediction
[2017-01-24 10:53:50] VenCap : i do.. 420?
[2017-01-24 10:53:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 7380 @ 897.03
[2017-01-24 10:53:58] airitout : between 1200 and 1400
[2017-01-24 10:54:07] VenCap : ah yes... bang on the money Sir
[2017-01-24 10:54:08] airitout : i was 8 minutes earlier