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[2017-01-23 00:44:04] thedoc : big drop
[2017-01-23 00:44:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 600 @ 911.51
[2017-01-23 00:45:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2700 @ 910.47
[2017-01-23 00:45:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 983 @ 910.50
[2017-01-23 00:46:02] Apocalyptic : insane volatility
[2017-01-23 00:46:15] Battlebots : down the slide we go
[2017-01-23 00:46:21] rowrow : 2% in about 3 minutes
[2017-01-23 00:47:08] MikeHunt : its not even started yet
[2017-01-23 00:47:13] MikeHunt : wait until china does fees
[2017-01-23 00:47:20] MikeHunt : then it'll be like splash mountain
[2017-01-23 00:47:28] MikeHunt : except the water will be all bloody
[2017-01-23 00:47:46] abbey : run for your lives!
[2017-01-23 00:48:19] aethlios : MikeHunt: they could sell off to 400 in 2 days because the market finds out how empty the real volume in china is
[2017-01-23 00:48:39] aethlios : I mean before (not because)
[2017-01-23 00:48:56] MikeHunt : aethlios: yarp
[2017-01-23 00:49:07] Apocalyptic : aethlios: would be glorious
[2017-01-23 00:49:18] Apocalyptic : the bull slaugthering of the year
[2017-01-23 00:49:20] thedoc : price being held up by leveraged longs.
[2017-01-23 00:49:23] MikeHunt : what would even better is i got muh prediction right
[2017-01-23 00:49:28] thedoc : no one wants to buy and hold up BTC at $900
[2017-01-23 00:49:38] MikeHunt : http://i.imgur.com/WKn9a3o.png
[2017-01-23 00:49:40] Apocalyptic : thedoc: noobs do
[2017-01-23 00:49:54] Battlebots : newbs will all rekt then no sustaining value
[2017-01-23 00:50:06] MikeHunt : Battlebots: they gotta learn
[2017-01-23 00:50:17] aethlios : MikeHunt: and 0.2% maker taker is non competitive, better send to finex or trade futures, so the leading exchanges will stop lead. but who will lead?? it was always china.
[2017-01-23 00:50:29] thedoc : if there are no more leveraged longs then why not dump to 3000 CNY to rekt them all and then pump with 0 longs on a free ride
[2017-01-23 00:50:39] MikeHunt : aethlios: local chinese residents dont have a choice
[2017-01-23 00:52:14] abbey : omg omg run again!
[2017-01-23 00:52:55] abbey : other direction
[2017-01-23 00:53:09] abbey : morons
[2017-01-23 00:54:06] abbey : u just gotta love this game!
[2017-01-23 00:54:19] yungyang : So can these Chinese peoples using the leverage
[2017-01-23 00:54:28] yungyang : not use leverage anywhere else ?
[2017-01-23 00:54:55] thedoc : great wall of china prevents them
[2017-01-23 00:54:55] yungyang : whats stopping them from using finex or stop of mf kraken or other exchanges we haven't even heard of
[2017-01-23 00:55:02] yungyang : ah yes
[2017-01-23 00:55:10] yungyang : the ol great wall
[2017-01-23 00:55:13] thedoc : i wonder if TOR lets them go to websites outside of china
[2017-01-23 00:55:15] yungyang : damn chanks
[2017-01-23 00:55:23] yungyang : Of course it does
[2017-01-23 00:56:04] Sultan Pepper : Mom! It's doing the wiggle bitcoin thing again!
[2017-01-23 00:59:49] thedoc : someone trying to buy 400 BTC on 0kcoin
[2017-01-23 01:00:13] thedoc : 245 btc left
[2017-01-23 01:00:27] thedoc : i love the few legit walls on 0kcoin. easy to spot
[2017-01-23 01:00:39] laisee : betcha the 0.2% will be subject to "rebates" and random prizes and trading "points" and off-exchange rewards ... it'll take about 2 weeks
[2017-01-23 01:06:39] rowrow : are all the big 3 no longer offering margin trading in their main products (or have stated they will stop doing so)?
[2017-01-23 01:07:59] abbey : http://www.coindesk.com/chinas-largest-bitcoin-exchanges-halt-margin-trading-questions-remain/
[2017-01-23 01:08:27] thedoc : margin done. fees start in about 26 hours
[2017-01-23 01:15:43] aethlios : bitcoin is done in chine, market will enter bear trend until a new major country or real demand (non speculative) starts.
[2017-01-23 01:17:37] yungyang : Kk close your account please
[2017-01-23 01:17:40] aethlios : pboc is running those exchanges now.
[2017-01-23 01:19:17] yungyang : I heard it was your mom
[2017-01-23 01:27:16] MikeHunt : thedoc: tick tock
[2017-01-23 01:28:10] thedoc : xbth17 negative premium again. was 5 above a hour ago
[2017-01-23 01:36:00] narnarfromnarnia : so shorts pay longs?
[2017-01-23 01:37:28] alejandromasari : We are in backwardation gentlemen!
[2017-01-23 01:43:31] MikeHunt : think i might go to another exchange rather than get funding raped the whole way down
[2017-01-23 01:44:38] thedoc : i'll ride the xbth17 to -20 premium
[2017-01-23 01:44:45] thedoc : as the bulls get rekt nonstop
[2017-01-23 01:47:32] MikeHunt : thedoc: yeh could do that as well
[2017-01-23 01:51:01] billyboy402 : MikeHunt: you can alway buy and not sell
[2017-01-23 01:51:20] MikeHunt : billyboy402: yeh and get left at the top
[2017-01-23 01:51:25] Apocalyptic : MikeHunt: there is no funding on futures
[2017-01-23 01:51:40] MikeHunt : Apocalyptic: yeh im currently short on perp
[2017-01-23 01:51:54] MikeHunt : waiting for a drop closer to my initial short
[2017-01-23 01:51:57] MikeHunt : before transfering over
[2017-01-23 01:52:12] Apocalyptic : MikeHunt: what's the point
[2017-01-23 01:52:56] billyboy402 : MikeHunt: trade the qtly march 31 . if you want long term , but in bullish market you will lose more if your shorting as there normally a premium
[2017-01-23 01:53:41] billyboy402 : the funding rate is normally cheaper then margin trading
[2017-01-23 01:53:50] Apocalyptic : billyboy402: ihf he plans to hold until settlement then it doesn't mat
[2017-01-23 01:54:02] Apocalyptic : as long as he has the margin to take it
[2017-01-23 01:54:18] MikeHunt : billyboy402: ive noticed on big drops it tends to go down with swap
[2017-01-23 01:54:19] billyboy402 : Apocalyptic: true , untill you get margin call because it $30 more
[2017-01-23 01:55:02] Apocalyptic : billyboy402: read my last line :)
[2017-01-23 01:55:11] billyboy402 : MikeHunt: but if your short right now , ur better off because it like $3 below index . so that make up for the 0.1% funbding rate
[2017-01-23 01:56:10] billyboy402 : Apocalyptic: if you are short , and it fomo up $40 . you could be margin call , even tho index may not go over 920 in the next 2 months ,
[2017-01-23 01:56:30] Apocalyptic : billyboy402: not if you have adequate margin
[2017-01-23 01:56:49] billyboy402 : but that the risk you take , until there a options market and you dont care
[2017-01-23 01:56:51] Apocalyptic : given enough balance you cannot possibly be margin called
[2017-01-23 01:56:55] MikeHunt : im thinking slightly more long term
[2017-01-23 01:57:02] MikeHunt : not high leverage
[2017-01-23 01:57:05] Apocalyptic : billyboy402: it's an inverse contract
[2017-01-23 01:57:19] Apocalyptic : if your position is < your balance
[2017-01-23 01:57:24] MikeHunt : supposing we were entering a bear market, negative fees the whole way down, would swap still be better than h17?
[2017-01-23 01:57:28] Apocalyptic : you cannot get liquidated
[2017-01-23 01:57:31] billyboy402 : option are going to be fun , as you can just leave open , even it it losing , 1 day before it may fomo and make you prfift
[2017-01-23 01:57:35] Apocalyptic : even if it spikes to 100k/btc
[2017-01-23 01:57:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 34660 @ 909.72
[2017-01-23 01:59:00] billyboy402 : i think it great bitmex has added qtly and perp , you can spread trade and make profits with very limited risk ( small funding rate / exchange risk)
[2017-01-23 01:59:08] MikeHunt : supposing we were entering a bear market, negative fees the whole way down, would swap still be better than h17?
[2017-01-23 01:59:20] Apocalyptic : of course not MikeHunt
[2017-01-23 01:59:35] MikeHunt : thats why im thinking about moving over to h17
[2017-01-23 01:59:42] Apocalyptic : MikeHunt: read what I sais above
[2017-01-23 01:59:45] thedoc : because with xbth17 you can close your short with like a -30 premium and long it. premium ends up going positive
[2017-01-23 02:00:09] Apocalyptic : if your have sufficient balance your risk is 0 and you pay no funding
[2017-01-23 02:00:13] MikeHunt : so with h17 no fees and more profitable if im right?
[2017-01-23 02:00:23] MikeHunt : i dont wanna sound dumb i just want to be sure
[2017-01-23 02:00:25] thedoc : i'd say so
[2017-01-23 02:00:44] thedoc : with swap you could be paying like .25 every 8 hours if you got a big position
[2017-01-23 02:01:00] thedoc : just doesnt make sense
[2017-01-23 02:03:55] narnarfromnarnia : no more rekts?
[2017-01-23 02:04:05] Papou : mike h17 is more volatile though
[2017-01-23 02:04:12] Papou : easier to get liquidated imo
[2017-01-23 02:04:17] Papou : it can be 100 over spot
[2017-01-23 02:04:19] Papou : or 200
[2017-01-23 02:04:23] Papou : who knows
[2017-01-23 02:04:27] Apocalyptic : Papou: sigh
[2017-01-23 02:04:40] Apocalyptic : if he's not leveraged no risk of being liq while short
[2017-01-23 02:04:47] Papou : well duh
[2017-01-23 02:06:34] yungyang : Change your name to poopoo
[2017-01-23 02:08:44] MikeHunt : Papou: problem is when this starts to topple, it could be 0.37% the whole way down
[2017-01-23 02:08:49] MikeHunt : which could be just as expensive
[2017-01-23 02:09:07] MikeHunt : so far on every major drop, the prem has gone to 0 or negative
[2017-01-23 02:10:26] Sultan Pepper : Strap on the moon boots, bears.
[2017-01-23 02:11:40] narnarfromnarnia : Sultan Pepper: you know how many shorts there are above?
[2017-01-23 02:11:49] narnarfromnarnia : and no leverage to break them
[2017-01-23 02:12:11] Sultan Pepper : Just gettin ready
[2017-01-23 02:12:44] MikeHunt : fees are coming back to china exchanges in ~24 hours
[2017-01-23 02:12:52] MikeHunt : "winter is coming"
[2017-01-23 02:14:58] datboiyuan : why do fees equal doom?????????
[2017-01-23 02:16:01] abbey : It's a bear daydream
[2017-01-23 02:16:33] datboiyuan : fee to sell yes?
[2017-01-23 02:16:53] Sultan Pepper : Inb4 "liquidated short @"
[2017-01-23 02:16:57] MikeHunt : 2013, china reintroduced fees, dropped from 880 to 400s in few hours
[2017-01-23 02:17:08] MikeHunt : 2017, fees making a come back, in 24hours
[2017-01-23 02:17:09] datboiyuan : why is that same now?
[2017-01-23 02:17:16] MikeHunt : datboiyuan: herd mentality
[2017-01-23 02:17:33] abbey : bears are too scared now to think rationally.
[2017-01-23 02:17:34] datboiyuan : you the herd
[2017-01-23 02:17:52] Sultan Pepper : if the whole herd wants it to gown, and it goes up....
[2017-01-23 02:18:11] Sultan Pepper : go down*
[2017-01-23 02:19:45] Sultan Pepper : Unless the whole herd here is full of bulls trying to get more shorts on board...
[2017-01-23 02:21:12] MikeHunt : Sultan Pepper: the volume is already damaged by loss of leveraged trading
[2017-01-23 02:21:15] MikeHunt : fees would prevent bots
[2017-01-23 02:21:19] MikeHunt : no more fake volume
[2017-01-23 02:21:32] MikeHunt : coindesk did calculation, at least 35% devaluation
[2017-01-23 02:23:28] abbey : everyone can write articles on coindesk, bulls too
[2017-01-23 02:23:42] abbey : i mean bears
[2017-01-23 02:24:22] abbey : no more fake volume is ultimately a good thing tho
[2017-01-23 02:24:58] MikeHunt : ultimately means a correction thou
[2017-01-23 02:25:10] ryvirath : small one
[2017-01-23 02:25:14] MikeHunt : 35% small?
[2017-01-23 02:25:16] ryvirath : smaller than you are planning for
[2017-01-23 02:25:26] ryvirath : no probably 5% tops
[2017-01-23 02:25:28] rowrow : anyone who knew how to call a 35% market drop with any reliability wouldn't be working at coindesk
[2017-01-23 02:26:06] MikeHunt : rowrow: 35% isnt the exact drop
[2017-01-23 02:26:15] MikeHunt : its the percentage of volume thats fake
[2017-01-23 02:26:20] Sultan Pepper : So what's stopping them from trading leverage here with a vpn?
[2017-01-23 02:26:54] rowrow : there's no reason to assume % of fake volume would translate to a similar drop in market price with it removed, for multiple reasons
[2017-01-23 02:26:58] MikeHunt : rowrow: we also have 2013 to look back on, what happened when the exact same thing happened
[2017-01-23 02:27:09] abbey : MikeHunt: means nothing
[2017-01-23 02:27:14] abbey : today
[2017-01-23 02:27:22] MikeHunt : i guess we'll have to wait and see
[2017-01-23 02:27:34] rowrow : MikeHunt: it's possible you're correct it will drop, just the argument about fake volume doesn't make any sense -
[2017-01-23 02:27:51] Sultan Pepper : really though, why couldn't all the Chinese trade leverage here with a von?
[2017-01-23 02:28:10] Sultan Pepper : vpn*
[2017-01-23 02:28:22] rowrow : fake volume goes into both buys and sells for one - additionally there's an enormous scaling factor - selling 100m decreases market cap by way more than 100m, so if the fake volume logic held the price would go to like $20
[2017-01-23 02:29:09] MikeHunt : Sultan Pepper: they can
[2017-01-23 02:29:31] abbey : rowrow: +1
[2017-01-23 02:29:40] Sultan Pepper : same as Drumpf's election: the news has more effect than the event
[2017-01-23 02:29:43] MikeHunt : Sultan Pepper: but that requires a learning curve
[2017-01-23 02:32:10] rowrow : maybe the bear trend from that 100 cny flash drop is coming to an end
[2017-01-23 02:33:05] MikeHunt : big moves are usually caused by events
[2017-01-23 02:33:18] MikeHunt : or manipulation
[2017-01-23 02:34:18] Sultan Pepper : The news of his election had more effect than his actual inauguration
[2017-01-23 02:35:39] Sultan Pepper : If everyone knows about the China fees, why isn't everything sold off already?
[2017-01-23 02:36:01] MikeHunt : Sultan Pepper: some call this the exit pump
[2017-01-23 02:36:13] MikeHunt : big players sell off quietly
[2017-01-23 02:36:24] abbey : MikeHunt: but the biggest ones are not, just pure fomo
[2017-01-23 02:36:37] MikeHunt : abbey:how would you know?
[2017-01-23 02:36:50] MikeHunt : fomo comes after the fees kick in
[2017-01-23 02:37:41] narnarfromnarnia : when it's negative
[2017-01-23 02:37:44] abbey : thats the way it is, everybody wants to be in when the train leaves the station
[2017-01-23 02:37:45] narnarfromnarnia : shorts have to pay?
[2017-01-23 02:37:58] Sultan Pepper : I've been hearing that this is the exit pump for 11 hours now
[2017-01-23 02:38:05] narnarfromnarnia : lol
[2017-01-23 02:38:20] MikeHunt : narnarfromnarnia: yeh, thats why im gonna move to h17 on next drop me thinks
[2017-01-23 02:38:37] narnarfromnarnia : MikeHunt: why's that?
[2017-01-23 02:38:49] narnarfromnarnia : so shaky over there
[2017-01-23 02:39:01] MikeHunt : narnarfromnarnia: if it really is a big drop
[2017-01-23 02:39:09] MikeHunt : its gonna be 0.37% all the way down
[2017-01-23 02:39:09] narnarfromnarnia : yeah
[2017-01-23 02:39:19] narnarfromnarnia : right
[2017-01-23 02:39:21] narnarfromnarnia : hmm
[2017-01-23 02:39:30] narnarfromnarnia : what signal are you waiting for?
[2017-01-23 02:39:40] narnarfromnarnia : i can't even chart h17
[2017-01-23 02:39:40] MikeHunt : we know that fees are due within ~24 hours
[2017-01-23 02:39:49] narnarfromnarnia : it's got parkinsons
[2017-01-23 02:40:09] MikeHunt : the other issue is even if i leverage this drop, ill probably get ADL-ed
[2017-01-23 02:40:59] Sultan Pepper : How short *are* you on this?
[2017-01-23 02:41:08] MikeHunt : Sultan Pepper: swap, 1x
[2017-01-23 02:41:23] Sultan Pepper : Size?
[2017-01-23 02:41:28] MikeHunt : Sultan Pepper: ~5000
[2017-01-23 02:41:57] Sultan Pepper : You're pretty certain then
[2017-01-23 02:42:26] Sultan Pepper : good luck!
[2017-01-23 02:44:27] MikeHunt : Sultan Pepper: you too, i just hope 5k can hold thou
[2017-01-23 02:44:31] MikeHunt : ($750)
[2017-01-23 02:45:06] Sultan Pepper : What's your liquidation point?
[2017-01-23 02:45:16] MikeHunt : Sultan Pepper: 1x so basically no liq
[2017-01-23 02:45:34] Sultan Pepper : Ah ok. You have a stop set then?
[2017-01-23 02:45:41] Sultan Pepper : probably not huh...
[2017-01-23 02:46:46] MikeHunt : Sultan Pepper: i use alarms, i heard stops are a bit iffy round here
[2017-01-23 02:47:08] Sultan Pepper : Good to know
[2017-01-23 03:05:58] Sultan Pepper : It's Fat Joe and Remy Ma
[2017-01-23 03:15:53] Apocalyptic : lol @ the 5m graph on Huobi
[2017-01-23 03:16:00] Apocalyptic : pattern looks totally legit
[2017-01-23 03:20:34] Sultan Pepper : I hear bear meat is greasy and tough
[2017-01-23 03:31:58] rowrow : last mini-crash has been erased - time for mini crash number 2? retest 6400?
[2017-01-23 03:34:49] Apocalyptic : rowrow: retesr 6k you mean ?
[2017-01-23 03:35:57] rowrow : Apocalyptic: i meant as alternate possibilities, down or up, since we got stuck at 6400 last time - i don't think we'll go down to 6k in the immediate future, but ya never know
[2017-01-23 03:47:22] MikeHunt : Apocalyptic: that happened before crash at 8k
[2017-01-23 03:47:29] MikeHunt : Apocalyptic: they are preparing for round 2
[2017-01-23 03:47:35] MikeHunt : imo
[2017-01-23 03:48:48] MikeHunt : unless they plan on going parabollic again and then slamming it down
[2017-01-23 03:51:28] narnarfromnarnia : i hate these ball tickle pumps
[2017-01-23 03:51:44] MikeHunt : fees kick in 4am UTC
[2017-01-23 03:51:51] MikeHunt : (12pm noon china time)
[2017-01-23 03:52:07] MikeHunt : tomorrow
[2017-01-23 04:06:06] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: You there?
[2017-01-23 04:06:12] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: yes
[2017-01-23 04:06:27] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Whats your email
[2017-01-23 04:06:34] ronensinger : Perhaps we could work on something one day
[2017-01-23 04:07:21] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: can you go on IRC ? I don't want to post it on a archived chat
[2017-01-23 04:08:10] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: I'm on it
[2017-01-23 04:08:18] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: Freenode ?
[2017-01-23 04:08:40] ronensinger : Apocalyptic: Yeah
[2017-01-23 04:09:35] Apocalyptic : ronensinger: sent you a pm
[2017-01-23 04:09:59] ronensinger : Got it
[2017-01-23 04:10:05] ronensinger : Ill send you an email in the next couple of days
[2017-01-23 04:10:11] ronensinger : I gtg to sleep
[2017-01-23 04:10:13] ronensinger : Goodnight
[2017-01-23 04:10:31] Apocalyptic : good night
[2017-01-23 04:31:00] Dtrade16 : Sup boys
[2017-01-23 04:31:13] Dtrade16 : Did we break the uptrend?
[2017-01-23 04:38:22] Apocalyptic : seems like china wanna dump
[2017-01-23 04:42:39] MikeHunt : Dtrade16: fees come back at 4am tomorrow
[2017-01-23 04:42:47] MikeHunt : in choyna, so b ready
[2017-01-23 04:47:26] narnarfromnarnia : dang i just missed that payout
[2017-01-23 04:47:33] narnarfromnarnia : i was going to buy in just before
[2017-01-23 04:48:31] narnarfromnarnia : MikeHunt: 4am china is what time?
[2017-01-23 04:48:33] narnarfromnarnia : 4am china
[2017-01-23 04:48:36] narnarfromnarnia : or
[2017-01-23 04:48:49] MikeHunt : narnarfromnarnia: 4am utc (12pm noon china time)
[2017-01-23 04:48:55] narnarfromnarnia : ok
[2017-01-23 04:49:08] Apocalyptic : 6k baby
[2017-01-23 04:49:21] narnarfromnarnia : fees for longs come or shorts
[2017-01-23 04:49:39] MikeHunt : narnarfromnarnia: flat 0.2% fee for all transactions
[2017-01-23 04:49:54] narnarfromnarnia : MikeHunt: oh wow
[2017-01-23 04:50:01] MikeHunt : narnarfromnarnia: last time they did it in 2013, price dropped $400 in a few hours
[2017-01-23 04:50:02] narnarfromnarnia : that's big news then, when was that released?
[2017-01-23 04:50:12] narnarfromnarnia : hmm
[2017-01-23 04:50:18] MikeHunt : check cnledger on twitter, they report china bitcoin news
[2017-01-23 04:50:18] narnarfromnarnia : there may be a big exit pump then
[2017-01-23 04:50:23] MikeHunt : announced yesterday
[2017-01-23 04:50:29] MikeHunt : narnarfromnarnia: yup, or this could be it
[2017-01-23 04:50:31] narnarfromnarnia : link?
[2017-01-23 04:50:36] MikeHunt : the announced potential fees on 13th january
[2017-01-23 04:50:38] narnarfromnarnia : MikeHunt: yeah i dont know what to do
[2017-01-23 04:50:42] narnarfromnarnia : ok
[2017-01-23 04:50:43] MikeHunt : narnarfromnarnia: just search cnledger on twitter
[2017-01-23 04:51:02] MikeHunt : narnarfromnarnia: im not sure either but im shorting 1x just incase
[2017-01-23 04:51:19] Sheriff : The news came out over 12 hours ago and not much has happened
[2017-01-23 04:51:29] narnarfromnarnia : i dont have a huge amount of btc but i want to be on the right side
[2017-01-23 04:51:41] MikeHunt : Sheriff: i dont think it will until the fees actually kick in
[2017-01-23 04:51:43] narnarfromnarnia : it seems like a lot of shorts will have to close since the very top
[2017-01-23 04:51:52] narnarfromnarnia : also it might just stablize things
[2017-01-23 04:52:09] MikeHunt : no one knows for sure but history suggests epic dump
[2017-01-23 04:52:25] narnarfromnarnia : at the time or the announcement
[2017-01-23 04:52:33] narnarfromnarnia : why would they add fees then remove fees
[2017-01-23 04:52:47] MikeHunt : i dont know, maybe that morning in china, maybe at noon,
[2017-01-23 04:53:03] MikeHunt : the idea is to "prevent price manipulation etc."
[2017-01-23 04:53:10] MikeHunt : they did that back in 2013
[2017-01-23 04:53:17] MikeHunt : after having 0% fees
[2017-01-23 04:53:21] MikeHunt : the market then dumped
[2017-01-23 04:53:28] narnarfromnarnia : yeah then zero fees market pumped
[2017-01-23 04:53:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 783 @ 6350.8
[2017-01-23 04:53:58] MikeHunt : narnarfromnarnia: i suspect they will do it again, tank the market, then allow it again to reinflate
[2017-01-23 04:55:56] Sheriff : Just as a counter argument, theres a chance it could result in a pump. Long term sentiment is bullish right now, so Chinese investors my buy in big right before the fees kick in to save a few bucks
[2017-01-23 05:08:31] narnarfromnarnia : MikeHunt: i would expect a nice pump before an exist
[2017-01-23 05:08:47] narnarfromnarnia : we're still getting higher highs since the biggest drop after ath
[2017-01-23 05:09:18] narnarfromnarnia : 940's maybe trigger stop losses on shorts
[2017-01-23 05:09:33] narnarfromnarnia : on daily traders/bots
[2017-01-23 05:34:50] laisee : if BTC is a proxy for nervous-on trading then expect more firewaorks under Old Dump Rant
[2017-01-23 05:35:31] narnarfromnarnia : laisee: ELI5
[2017-01-23 05:35:57] narnarfromnarnia : i think we hit 930's + from here but we're gonna drop like mike said
[2017-01-23 05:36:26] narnarfromnarnia : does the funding payment only happen each time period or is it each hour?
[2017-01-23 05:36:30] narnarfromnarnia : that .1 up there
[2017-01-23 05:36:53] laisee : Expect some very big shocks from this week on due to the new Prez. And expect Bitcoin to start being used for panic buying.
[2017-01-23 05:41:14] Dtrade16 : MikeHunt: Hey what?
[2017-01-23 05:41:41] rowrow : narnarfromnarnia: funding is paid only at the end of each 8 hour interval
[2017-01-23 05:41:57] narnarfromnarnia : okay
[2017-01-23 05:42:01] narnarfromnarnia : darn i missed it
[2017-01-23 05:42:09] narnarfromnarnia : anyone else long from here?
[2017-01-23 05:42:21] narnarfromnarnia : mark price is climbing but price is not
[2017-01-23 05:52:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 911.93
[2017-01-23 05:59:20] small fich : hello would Bitmet supply MT4 platform ?
[2017-01-23 05:59:53] ryvirath : when is the next BTC send off time?
[2017-01-23 06:01:18] ryvirath : oh 7 hours
[2017-01-23 06:01:24] ryvirath : blah
[2017-01-23 06:04:44] narnarfromnarnia : small fich: how do you use that?
[2017-01-23 06:04:51] narnarfromnarnia : other exchanges or forex?/
[2017-01-23 06:24:55] narnarfromnarnia : short rekts coming
[2017-01-23 06:24:57] narnarfromnarnia : come on!!
[2017-01-23 06:29:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 1 @ 6350.9 :punch: :whale:
[2017-01-23 06:30:35] Apocalyptic : REKT: ^
[2017-01-23 06:30:46] narnarfromnarnia : lol
[2017-01-23 06:30:49] narnarfromnarnia : epic
[2017-01-23 06:31:02] narnarfromnarnia : how do you even 1 contract?
[2017-01-23 06:44:40] Papou : was that noganoo?
[2017-01-23 06:57:20] BitMEX_Wally : noganoo is a US resident so he cannot trade
[2017-01-23 07:00:10] small fich : narnarfromnarnia: I just hope to trade BTC like forex
[2017-01-23 07:08:10] VenCap : Bitcoin going to implode today. but i am going long. lets see if i can get some nice gains!
[2017-01-23 07:14:28] narnarfromnarnia : VenCap: where are you long from?
[2017-01-23 07:15:29] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: did you ban him?
[2017-01-23 07:17:29] BitMEX_Wally : Battlebots is not banned, but he cannot deposit or trade
[2017-01-23 07:24:20] VenCap : long from 916 today
[2017-01-23 07:24:28] VenCap : got rekt yesterday
[2017-01-23 07:24:37] VenCap : but was long from 928 in the end
[2017-01-23 07:24:44] VenCap : nice dumps here rekt me
[2017-01-23 07:25:27] VenCap : i am Long, but i will probalt get rekt again today
[2017-01-23 07:26:44] narnarfromnarnia : just went long
[2017-01-23 07:26:55] VenCap : i will unload at 925
[2017-01-23 07:37:12] narnarfromnarnia : 2hr looks good
[2017-01-23 07:42:26] VenCap : pump it
[2017-01-23 07:42:42] VenCap : looked good yesterday also before i got rekt
[2017-01-23 07:46:25] KyllingLolsson : BitMEX_Wally: why cant us residents trade here?
[2017-01-23 07:48:46] Tetsuo : Due to Anti-Trump policies!
[2017-01-23 07:49:18] thailand : the management team doesn't approve of trump hence the ban on us residents
[2017-01-23 07:49:33] thailand : you can find the blog post somewhere
[2017-01-23 07:49:35] BitMEX_Wally : KyllingLolsson: We are not registered with the CFTC
[2017-01-23 07:52:49] KyllingLolsson : Trump.... ?
[2017-01-23 08:05:20] FreeBitcoins : BitMEX_Wally: I would like to ask a question about the referral program
[2017-01-23 08:05:32] BitMEX_Wally : FreeBitcoins: Sure
[2017-01-23 08:06:29] FreeBitcoins : BitMEX_Wally: my wife has an account. Can I use that one to refer this one?
[2017-01-23 08:08:11] BitMEX_Wally : FreeBitcoins: The terms are here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/affiliateToS
[2017-01-23 08:08:29] BitMEX_Wally : "You are not eligible for a commission payment on trades made by you, your employees, agents, representatives, or contractors, as well as made from several accounts owned by the same person"
[2017-01-23 08:09:00] Tetsuo : FreeBitcoins: what´s the name of your wife?
[2017-01-23 08:09:20] FreeBitcoins : Ok thats perfect because "wife" is not in the exclusion
[2017-01-23 08:09:26] Tetsuo : where did u met first?
[2017-01-23 08:09:43] narnarfromnarnia : im sure spouse is not eligible dude
[2017-01-23 08:09:43] Tetsuo : if u get caught lying all your bitcoin will be confiscated, just sayin
[2017-01-23 08:09:51] narnarfromnarnia : they want like affiliate referrals from blogging
[2017-01-23 08:10:09] narnarfromnarnia : is there any link about payouts and tracking system on that?
[2017-01-23 08:10:17] FreeBitcoins : I can do that also but right now im wasting it
[2017-01-23 08:10:56] FreeBitcoins : I set her an account to try learn but she was rekt
[2017-01-23 08:14:18] Noobz : Morning Peepz
[2017-01-23 08:26:05] narnarfromnarnia : is huobi down for everyone on wisdom?
[2017-01-23 08:27:22] larrybanky1 : https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/pboc-bitcoin-exchanges-bright-side/
[2017-01-23 08:29:38] narnarfromnarnia : crazy
[2017-01-23 08:29:44] narnarfromnarnia : 101 ask
[2017-01-23 08:30:08] VenCap : 920 nice bargain sel order
[2017-01-23 08:30:29] narnarfromnarnia : VenCap: i think it's just capital moving from one account to another to pump or dump
[2017-01-23 08:30:41] VenCap : ah. true
[2017-01-23 08:31:23] narnarfromnarnia : change of hands
[2017-01-23 08:32:01] VenCap : btc to 950 today? or 850?
[2017-01-23 08:32:23] narnarfromnarnia : VenCap: just wait for a signal to buy or sell
[2017-01-23 08:32:32] narnarfromnarnia : and get out after profit and wait for next signal
[2017-01-23 08:32:46] VenCap : good tip thank you
[2017-01-23 08:33:03] narnarfromnarnia : https://www.tradingview.com/x/ig3LLQNP/
[2017-01-23 08:42:03] Derreck : such $3 premium!
[2017-01-23 08:42:08] Yoshi1975 : Just trading it around...920 good sell level in small size
[2017-01-23 08:42:26] narnarfromnarnia : larger funds trading hands here
[2017-01-23 08:42:34] narnarfromnarnia : can be leverage for up once filled
[2017-01-23 08:42:49] narnarfromnarnia : or holding it down to pop
[2017-01-23 08:42:58] narnarfromnarnia : or market dump after filled lol
[2017-01-23 08:43:44] Yoshi1975 : You need news for it to move materially in either direction so right now not much gonna happen just scalp 5-10pts
[2017-01-23 08:44:08] narnarfromnarnia : how is money flow now it's monday right?
[2017-01-23 08:44:13] narnarfromnarnia : could be new funds hitting banks
[2017-01-23 08:44:17] narnarfromnarnia : but no leverage
[2017-01-23 09:00:15] MikeHunt : narnarfromnarnia: well china morning we got next to nothing
[2017-01-23 09:00:20] MikeHunt : that paints bleak outlook imo
[2017-01-23 09:00:56] narnarfromnarnia : MikeHunt: yea i agree i just want to wait for the next big move and make a good trade regardless if i miss the first ride
[2017-01-23 09:01:36] MikeHunt : narnarfromnarnia: ditto
[2017-01-23 09:03:32] Noobz : yesterday was a good day to trade. Hope today will be similar
[2017-01-23 09:03:39] MikeHunt : still debating whether to move to stamp since fees are 0.15% now for short
[2017-01-23 09:07:40] narnarfromnarnia : MikeHunt: also you can get ADL
[2017-01-23 09:08:05] narnarfromnarnia : that's just brutal when it market orders at worst times i've heard
[2017-01-23 09:08:42] narnarfromnarnia : should be an even better indicator than the 5 bars imo
[2017-01-23 09:11:33] MikeHunt : narnarfromnarnia: worst i got from peak was 3 bars iirc using 1x
[2017-01-23 09:12:01] narnarfromnarnia : MikeHunt: were you able to manage it?
[2017-01-23 09:12:11] narnarfromnarnia : you must of had a larger position?
[2017-01-23 09:12:19] narnarfromnarnia : or higher amount of leverage?
[2017-01-23 09:12:33] narnarfromnarnia : curious how it really works in simple words
[2017-01-23 09:45:08] VenCap : you cant margin trade on bitstamp?
[2017-01-23 09:45:17] VenCap : whats the fees here for short?
[2017-01-23 09:46:10] VenCap : the only thing that would make me move here is the shady bots that cause huge dumps to screw people over
[2017-01-23 09:46:31] VenCap : yesterday was $20 diff between here and bitstamp when they dumped it.
[2017-01-23 09:46:34] 5bg : is it possible to open a contract of XBTH17 with cross margin?
[2017-01-23 09:48:33] BitMEX_Wally : 5bg: Yes
[2017-01-23 09:49:05] 5bg : how my XBTUSD orders are cross but not my XBTH17 ones
[2017-01-23 09:55:13] BitMEX_Wally : 5bg: Drag the leverage selector back from 100x to Cross then
[2017-01-23 09:55:52] VenCap : drop it likes it is hot
[2017-01-23 10:00:32] VenCap : 850 today it is.. i think i need to change my long to a short?
[2017-01-23 10:01:40] 5bg : BitMEX_Wally: thanks
[2017-01-23 10:02:19] 5bg : BitMEX_Wally: must of click that by mistake
[2017-01-23 10:03:56] 5bg : wow I open a large position at 100X and left it overnight a $10 move would of liquidated it, meant to have cross
[2017-01-23 10:06:56] VenCap : Timber....
[2017-01-23 10:07:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 1 @ 6349.7 :punch: :whale:
[2017-01-23 10:26:02] cryptwrecked : helo chaps, look who's back for more restless. Just wondering if somebody could briefly explain the difference between the perpetual swap (100x) leverage and the cross leverage, and whether they can be used at the same time, or whether it's best to use one or the other. Have gotten my head around most things apart from this. Is one type of leverage more beneficial in a given situation than another? thx
[2017-01-23 10:31:47] VenCap : Bitcoin no.. you were meant to fly today
[2017-01-23 10:31:53] VenCap : Fly high my beauty spread your wings
[2017-01-23 10:33:39] VenCap : shake out before the rocket guys right?
[2017-01-23 10:35:10] cryptwrecked : around 6pm GMT I foresee movement. My crystal ball said so.
[2017-01-23 10:35:24] BitMEX_Wally : cryptwrecked: Cross margin means that your whole account balance will be used to prevent liquidation.
[2017-01-23 10:36:46] Derreck : OKcoin top #2 $BTCUSD contract holder has increased their position by 3640 contracts
[2017-01-23 10:38:07] Noobz : uooɯ
[2017-01-23 10:38:54] cryptwrecked : Thanks @BitMEX_Wally
[2017-01-23 10:39:19] Derreck : Noobz: yiddish isn't it?
[2017-01-23 10:39:21] cryptwrecked : What do most of you guys predominantly utilise, leverage wise?
[2017-01-23 10:39:37] Derreck : cryptwrecked: 3-5-10
[2017-01-23 10:39:43] Derreck : mostly 5
[2017-01-23 10:40:11] Noobz : moon in the west
[2017-01-23 10:40:13] Noobz : or
[2017-01-23 10:40:14] Noobz : ɐuᴉɥɔ uᴉ uooɯ
[2017-01-23 10:41:50] Noobz : cryptwrecked: i start similar 3-5 maybe 8-10 but i increase if a position seems fruitful
[2017-01-23 10:42:06] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Wally: accidentally removed the xbtindex indicator from my chart. How do i restore it?
[2017-01-23 10:42:26] BitMEX_Wally : alejandromasari: Try right clicking on the chart and choosing Reset Chart
[2017-01-23 10:42:47] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Wally: that did not work
[2017-01-23 10:43:15] BitMEX_Wally : Refresh the page?
[2017-01-23 10:43:44] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Wally: nope
[2017-01-23 10:45:10] cryptwrecked : so, you fellas use the slider leverage instead of maxing out on the perpetual swap leverage? Effectively isolating your a margin balance for that particular trade instead of exposing your whole account to the trade as maxing out on the perpetual swap would do?
[2017-01-23 10:47:01] cryptwrecked : Also, I noticed on my first trade yesterday that after I'd opened my trade, that I could move the slider up and down, which was changing my liquidation price, but not much else as far as I could see. Didn't really get my head around that tbh.
[2017-01-23 10:47:23] Noobz : i base it on an "acceptable" liquidation price
[2017-01-23 10:48:11] Noobz : if you slide up more balance becomes available to get more trades done.
[2017-01-23 10:54:51] BitMEX_Wally : alejandromasari: Ok, nuclear option. At the bottom of this page click the 'Clear' on Browser Storage: https://www.bitmex.com/app/preferences
[2017-01-23 10:55:38] BitMEX_Wally : cryptwrecked: The leverage selector does not change the size of your position, it just changes how much margin is allocated to it, i.e. the liquidation price
[2017-01-23 11:03:06] enki0182 : trend might be going up
[2017-01-23 11:06:51] enki0182 : just a note to answer the previous posters - I have noticed if set on cross - you are the first to be ADL'd...
[2017-01-23 11:07:02] enki0182 : ^ in terms of levg
[2017-01-23 11:09:16] narnarfromnarnia : really?
[2017-01-23 11:09:27] narnarfromnarnia : enki0182: what do you suggest then?
[2017-01-23 11:11:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2015 @ 923.10
[2017-01-23 11:11:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 16550 @ 923.35
[2017-01-23 11:12:03] MikeHunt : narnarfromnarnia: 8k contracts, 1x, got 3 lights shorting 1200 peak
[2017-01-23 11:12:18] narnarfromnarnia : hmm wow
[2017-01-23 11:12:21] narnarfromnarnia : and it closed it
[2017-01-23 11:12:27] BitMEX_Wally : enki0182: Cross margin reduces your effective leverage as much as possible so it will reduce your ADL risk
[2017-01-23 11:12:27] narnarfromnarnia : that's too bad
[2017-01-23 11:12:31] narnarfromnarnia : what's going on here
[2017-01-23 11:12:36] narnarfromnarnia : little bump up again
[2017-01-23 11:12:50] enki0182 : i suggest a reasonable approach by setting your Levg well within secure boundaries of tend(the Primary trend). so use the slider - yes - but set it to something that makes sens so that your liq price is "relatively unlikely to be hit"... enjoy the fact that levg exists and that we can use it still - then the chinese cannot. (belive it or not, i believe the will be the big buyers 2017-2019)... and I also believe the market will be dictated by them. warning about overleveraging though - once you levg up - selling portions of your position to then add to your margin has diminishing returns,, so never get greedy and over do it.
[2017-01-23 11:13:01] rowrow : try to buy at 919 - confirmation popup appears for some reason - miss out - price goes up $4 in 30 seconds
[2017-01-23 11:13:29] enki0182 : BitMEX_Wally: thank you for the clarification... maybe my levg experience( only recent on cross) has been counter-intuitive... and you are probably right.
[2017-01-23 11:13:55] 5bg : alejandromasari: go to settings and try to find default
[2017-01-23 11:14:05] MikeHunt : narnarfromnarnia: it didnt get closed but im suggesting anything beyond 1x may have got adl-ed
[2017-01-23 11:14:52] charlyko : shorting here
[2017-01-23 11:15:32] charlyko : 923.19
[2017-01-23 11:15:55] alejandromasari : right click and enable index overlay
[2017-01-23 11:15:57] alejandromasari : i fixed it
[2017-01-23 11:16:13] VenCap : unleash te bear trap
[2017-01-23 11:16:52] Derreck : 0kcoin is pumping again
[2017-01-23 11:17:27] charlyko : down we go
[2017-01-23 11:20:12] Noobz : just missed that little nibble.... next time
[2017-01-23 11:21:27] rowrow : anyone know if there's a specific time china newsdrops have been coming, or is it only approximate? seems like it's usually around now if it does happen
[2017-01-23 11:21:50] charlyko : china is sleeping now
[2017-01-23 11:22:33] Noobz : it's 19:22 there no sleep yet
[2017-01-23 11:30:30] enki0182 : chines are profit takiing now
[2017-01-23 11:32:00] narnarfromnarnia : enki0182: you mean closing shorts?
[2017-01-23 11:32:09] narnarfromnarnia : higher leveraged shorts than longs
[2017-01-23 11:32:17] narnarfromnarnia : who knows i give up
[2017-01-23 11:34:10] enki0182 : narnarfromnarnia: no - it is inevitable that before 24th at noon china time we will have a massive crisis... all I will say is that those that think it will bull above previous day trend, they may be wrong... either way if your bull... you may be right, but it will eventually get crushed. I am personally short and shorting on every rise waiting for the <24th Jan whale splash(crash)....
[2017-01-23 11:34:43] enki0182 : keep levg wide for liq price and wishing us all the best
[2017-01-23 11:34:55] narnarfromnarnia : good luck
[2017-01-23 11:34:57] narnarfromnarnia : god speed
[2017-01-23 11:35:00] narnarfromnarnia : lol
[2017-01-23 11:35:12] Noobz : May the profits be with you
[2017-01-23 11:35:14] narnarfromnarnia : im just waiting for big moves and confirmation of retraces
[2017-01-23 11:35:24] narnarfromnarnia : and max 25x
[2017-01-23 11:36:11] enki0182 : narnarfromnarnia: good tact... ima slow mover.avger.
[2017-01-23 11:36:52] narnarfromnarnia : i always miss the action though
[2017-01-23 11:37:37] enki0182 : unfortunately whales are a plague for us bitmex users - otherwise the choice would be easy = 100x levg and bull... and time... but the whales dont make it easy on us... and they can strike at any time (especially while you sleeping...lol
[2017-01-23 11:37:46] narnarfromnarnia : ema crossing now on daily?
[2017-01-23 11:37:57] narnarfromnarnia : won't that trigger some buys?
[2017-01-23 11:38:04] enki0182 : daily too slow for accurate movements unless <5x levg
[2017-01-23 11:38:12] enki0182 : more like <3x levg
[2017-01-23 11:38:18] narnarfromnarnia : or what is a good daily ema parameter for daily? @enki0182
[2017-01-23 11:38:44] enki0182 : and based on expectations of whale pressure - may not be safe even then... there are buy orders at $140.... lol (unlikely even in my opinon.
[2017-01-23 11:38:47] narnarfromnarnia : i know but its good to guess where bots will stop loss
[2017-01-23 11:39:12] narnarfromnarnia : where can we see the book live on perpetual?
[2017-01-23 11:39:14] narnarfromnarnia : like bitcoinity
[2017-01-23 11:39:19] narnarfromnarnia : for here though?
[2017-01-23 11:39:45] tech.coin : Good Morning Everyone
[2017-01-23 11:40:22] Noobz : tech.coin: Morning
[2017-01-23 11:40:54] enki0182 : ema only depends on how often you want to trade... do you wanna trade small pips? in a sideways market like this? or bull and go 3x levg and sit happy? or 25x and try to pick he points... i find the 30minute bitcoinwisdom graph on okcoin a good indicator of entry points in fast moving markets(not like today)... where as semi-sideways markets like today need 5m or 3m graphs...
[2017-01-23 11:41:19] narnarfromnarnia : enki0182: huobi is broken on bitcoinwisdom
[2017-01-23 11:41:28] cryptwrecked : yeah, saw that earlier too
[2017-01-23 11:41:55] cryptwrecked : what's the biggest exchange volume wise nowadays?
[2017-01-23 11:41:56] narnarfromnarnia : enki0182: yes but sidways turns deadly if in a position making just small profits
[2017-01-23 11:43:29] micmix : cryptwrecked: you're on it
[2017-01-23 11:43:34] enki0182 : narnarfromnarnia: yes bntcwis on huobi broken... they prolly running shit servers and wouldnt be able to handle traffic.
[2017-01-23 11:44:17] cryptwrecked : @micmix - seriously?
[2017-01-23 11:44:26] micmix : cryptwrecked: https://exchangewar.info/coinprice?btc_usd
[2017-01-23 11:45:25] narnarfromnarnia : does anyone have their tradingview dialed in good for 15m trading?
[2017-01-23 11:45:50] cryptwrecked : great link @micmix, thanks
[2017-01-23 11:46:01] narnarfromnarnia : https://www.tradingview.com/x/EKBEZIhf/
[2017-01-23 11:46:14] tech.coin : I would like to do some backtesting - but I do not know anything about APIs and how to get the data from there... @BitMEX_Wally: Can you maybe make, you know, one of those magical tricks in your database where you have all the data anyway, and send me a csv with the tick (minute) data of XBTUSD for the last three four months or so? That would be kool! and probly done in a sec..
[2017-01-23 11:46:16] cryptwrecked : what indicators and minute candles do you guys use?
[2017-01-23 11:46:33] narnarfromnarnia : cryptwrecked: just wait for it to start moving
[2017-01-23 11:46:55] charlyko : Bollinger bands. diferents candles.
[2017-01-23 11:47:04] narnarfromnarnia : it will get a flow going and easier to read now is impossible +/- 20 dollars now