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[2017-01-22 00:39:50] paniktrade : Ahhere: by like 2 cens
[2017-01-22 00:39:57] paniktrade : cents*
[2017-01-22 00:40:19] rangle : you have green paper slips for trade? whats your price?
[2017-01-22 00:40:22] rowrow : not saying that applies to bitcoin, just its how market works
[2017-01-22 00:40:31] rowrow : $800, less than cost of a btc
[2017-01-22 00:41:07] thedoc : ltc mining hashrate way up
[2017-01-22 00:41:14] paniktrade : hmm but then if im selling slips of green paper that are worth looads wouldnt i become poorer? why would i give out free money
[2017-01-22 00:41:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 20 @ 922.61
[2017-01-22 00:41:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1000 @ 922.85
[2017-01-22 00:41:33] thedoc : new btc high
[2017-01-22 00:41:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 500 @ 6528.4
[2017-01-22 00:41:36] thedoc : should have 100x longed it
[2017-01-22 00:41:41] thedoc : btc is king
[2017-01-22 00:41:45] Apocalyptic : the moon is beautiful today
[2017-01-22 00:41:56] paniktrade : rowrow: but i kknow what u mean
[2017-01-22 00:41:57] thedoc : rip those shorting
[2017-01-22 00:42:20] Apocalyptic : ri rapidtrades
[2017-01-22 00:45:59] longbydefault : those with long position when do you get out?
[2017-01-22 00:46:36] Apocalyptic : longbydefault: ask Papou
[2017-01-22 00:47:03] longbydefault : i don't want papou's answer haha
[2017-01-22 00:47:11] rowrow : i'll probably cash out a bit of profit if it keeps going up today, otherwise china will get me while i'm sleeping
[2017-01-22 00:47:47] Ahhere : longbydefault: Ascending channel since bottom currently between 908 and 980 so somewhere before then if you have days
[2017-01-22 00:48:01] rangle : we really cant answer that for you and it depends based on what i see in the charts, the answer now would be different than the answer tomorrow
[2017-01-22 00:50:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 7 @ 6521.6
[2017-01-22 00:50:54] thedoc : 0kcoin whale trying to dump
[2017-01-22 00:51:06] thedoc : must not know what limit order means
[2017-01-22 00:51:25] thedoc : cause why put your sell order at 6500 cny when you can market dump at 6450
[2017-01-22 00:52:04] thedoc : exchanges should just remove market selling. if you want out then you gotta set a limit order higher and wait for it to be filled
[2017-01-22 00:52:07] thedoc : only direction is up then
[2017-01-22 00:52:51] rangle : lol
[2017-01-22 00:57:31] paniktrade : thedoc: ehhh no
[2017-01-22 00:59:21] goody5 : I will like to invest your most liquid XBT/USD.
[2017-01-22 00:59:27] rowrow : thedoc: market selling is good for people who just don't care enough to either learn how markets work or just want to buy without hassle, also useful occasionally in fast moving markets
[2017-01-22 00:59:39] goody5 : I have signed up
[2017-01-22 01:00:10] Ahhere : goody5: thank you come again
[2017-01-22 01:00:38] Apocalyptic : Ahhere: he wants to invest your money
[2017-01-22 01:00:39] rowrow : come on china, take us to 6666
[2017-01-22 01:01:06] Ahhere : rowrow: I think that might be racist
[2017-01-22 01:01:12] Apocalyptic : rowrow: why not 8888 while you're at it
[2017-01-22 01:01:24] rowrow : first one, then the other
[2017-01-22 01:01:31] rowrow : then back down to 5555
[2017-01-22 01:01:32] goody5 : How do I go about investing in your XBT/USD on your site details
[2017-01-22 01:06:16] REKT : Close your longs, close your shorts, choppy waters ahead!
[2017-01-22 01:06:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 4 @ 6516.5 :punch: :whale:
[2017-01-22 01:07:17] thedoc : how are longs getting called
[2017-01-22 01:08:46] sleger : winners ?
[2017-01-22 01:09:08] sleger : anti-papous ?
[2017-01-22 01:09:23] l3f : Is papous rekt yet?
[2017-01-22 01:09:24] Noobz : secret noganoo?
[2017-01-22 01:11:06] Ahhere : thedoc: there's always one
[2017-01-22 01:15:59] MikeHunt : ETC not coming along for the ride?
[2017-01-22 01:19:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1000 @ 927.32
[2017-01-22 01:21:18] Battlebots : Hey Mike I missed you
[2017-01-22 01:22:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 920 @ 937.00
[2017-01-22 01:23:42] MikeHunt : Battlebots: lol
[2017-01-22 01:27:49] datboiyuan : YADDA MEAN??
[2017-01-22 01:29:09] rangle : no
[2017-01-22 01:29:55] Ahhere : just broke 935 on finex ladies
[2017-01-22 01:31:54] Ahhere : 940 the one to watch
[2017-01-22 01:33:11] BTC-Noob : i have a feeling the whales will exit bitcoin soon and jump over to LTC/XMR/ETH/ETC or any other stupid alt and pump it to billions as well, just like is happening with small yobit alts
[2017-01-22 01:34:27] MikeHunt : a dumps coming
[2017-01-22 01:34:32] MikeHunt : just a question of wen
[2017-01-22 01:34:35] MikeHunt : might be 950
[2017-01-22 01:34:39] Ahhere : BTC-Noob: I can't believe ppl buying ltc
[2017-01-22 01:35:13] longbydefault : that's not a prediction at all if you don't know when and how much...
[2017-01-22 01:37:31] MikeHunt : probably by the 25th
[2017-01-22 01:37:46] MikeHunt : ~500cny
[2017-01-22 01:37:48] longbydefault : down to 900? 850? 800? 700? 600?
[2017-01-22 01:37:53] longbydefault : oh ok... thanks...
[2017-01-22 01:38:08] MikeHunt : a major dump might take until february 2nd
[2017-01-22 01:38:19] longbydefault : and that one will go down by?
[2017-01-22 01:38:22] longbydefault : how much...
[2017-01-22 01:43:40] yungyang : My man mike is a PROFIT
[2017-01-22 01:43:46] yungyang : LOL
[2017-01-22 01:48:41] thedoc : smaller market caps = easier pump for good profit
[2017-01-22 01:48:43] MikeHunt : longbydefault: depends where it dumps from
[2017-01-22 01:49:03] MikeHunt : longbydefault: also depends on choyna
[2017-01-22 01:49:08] thedoc : ltc is the best because it's on every exchange. then XMR cause that's on a lot of exchanges and smaller market cap like LTC
[2017-01-22 01:49:33] thedoc : ltc is the best because you can 20x long it on 0kcoin futures
[2017-01-22 01:49:53] thedoc : while actually holding LTC so you get the benefit of it going up too
[2017-01-22 01:52:57] yungyang : this nigga
[2017-01-22 01:53:05] Ahhere : yungyang: lol
[2017-01-22 01:55:13] narnarfromnarnia : there's a short squeeze it will be epic
[2017-01-22 01:55:21] narnarfromnarnia : because no leverage to go short
[2017-01-22 01:55:23] narnarfromnarnia : in china
[2017-01-22 01:55:27] narnarfromnarnia : i think
[2017-01-22 01:55:30] narnarfromnarnia : could be epic
[2017-01-22 01:57:35] thedoc : yeah. so no reason for ltc to go down. no one is building a short in china to dump and profit
[2017-01-22 01:57:55] thedoc : instead pump as high as possible for ltc and then dump at the top as you prop up the price
[2017-01-22 01:58:44] narnarfromnarnia : http://bravenewcoin.com/news/japanese-internet-giant-gmo-entering-bitcoin-exchange-and-wallet-markets/
[2017-01-22 01:59:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 14 @ 6493.0
[2017-01-22 02:07:40] Apocalyptic : narnarfromnarnia: bullish!
[2017-01-22 02:17:35] MikeHunt : narnarfromnarnia: problem is they could destroy the bull run if they do that
[2017-01-22 02:17:52] narnarfromnarnia : bull run is ded
[2017-01-22 02:17:58] narnarfromnarnia : this is dead cat on 1 day
[2017-01-22 02:18:16] MikeHunt : narnarfromnarnia: i was thinking if we drifted down to 4-5k we could restart at a lower point
[2017-01-22 02:18:21] narnarfromnarnia : or else it would have pumped way harder by now, lot of shorts above 940 will close they will fight to keep it down
[2017-01-22 02:18:36] narnarfromnarnia : i opened a short on this top
[2017-01-22 02:18:41] narnarfromnarnia : just a pump and dump
[2017-01-22 02:19:04] MikeHunt : narnarfromnarnia: after the dead cat, where do u think the bottom will be?
[2017-01-22 02:19:28] narnarfromnarnia : i dont know i just trade based on signals from tradingview script now
[2017-01-22 02:19:41] narnarfromnarnia : it picks buys and sells but not the tops and bottoms so well
[2017-01-22 02:20:37] narnarfromnarnia : hidden buys here
[2017-01-22 02:20:39] narnarfromnarnia : hmm
[2017-01-22 02:20:44] narnarfromnarnia : those scare me
[2017-01-22 02:21:44] abbey : if we don't go down soon, it's going to explode up
[2017-01-22 02:22:16] abbey : imo
[2017-01-22 02:22:29] abbey : big time
[2017-01-22 02:22:34] longbydefault : do you mean a new ATH? abbey?
[2017-01-22 02:22:35] longbydefault : how high?
[2017-01-22 02:22:39] anonymous123421 : bigly
[2017-01-22 02:23:30] abbey : longbydefault: can't tell
[2017-01-22 02:23:45] MrRGnome : abbey: I agree. I'm not putting any money in this dangerzone until we resolve past 1000 or under 800
[2017-01-22 02:23:46] narnarfromnarnia : longs get rekt soon
[2017-01-22 02:23:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 40 @ 928.09
[2017-01-22 02:23:56] REKT : Close your longs, close your shorts, choppy waters ahead!
[2017-01-22 02:24:04] narnarfromnarnia : MrRGnome: past 940 is good to go up
[2017-01-22 02:24:21] narnarfromnarnia : daily stop loss for bots is right at 937
[2017-01-22 02:24:27] narnarfromnarnia : majority of bots
[2017-01-22 02:24:46] abbey : MrRGnome: i think that's wise
[2017-01-22 02:25:17] anonymous123421 : same ^
[2017-01-22 02:25:28] Ahhere : anonymous123421: ditto^
[2017-01-22 02:25:47] anonymous123421 : I have a long open from a few days ago, I'll keep it open since I have a tight trailing stop in place
[2017-01-22 02:26:14] Sheriff : anonymous123421: What was your entry price?
[2017-01-22 02:26:23] anonymous123421 : Sheriff: 902.15
[2017-01-22 02:26:55] Sheriff : anonymous123421: Nice! I'm always nervous about trailing stops - it seems i always manage to get called just before it goes back up
[2017-01-22 02:28:00] abbey : my long entry price is 828
[2017-01-22 02:28:28] abbey : ROE: 610%
[2017-01-22 02:28:39] Ahhere : abbey: nice I was holding from around there but closed out at 890 back in again now
[2017-01-22 02:28:47] Ahhere : *long
[2017-01-22 02:29:07] anonymous123421 : Sheriff: I'm usually pretty busy during the day so I like to open trades with a trailing stop so I can rest easy knowing that I am able to cut my losses or let my winners run automatically.
[2017-01-22 02:29:50] Sheriff : abbey: Pretty close to calling the bottom, nice job
[2017-01-22 02:29:58] Sheriff : anonymous123421: Agreed, it is definitely nice to have the security
[2017-01-22 02:31:23] narnarfromnarnia : abbey: that's awesome
[2017-01-22 02:32:31] anonymous123421 : Talk about buying the dip eh?
[2017-01-22 02:32:33] Sheriff : abbey: What leverage did you use?
[2017-01-22 02:33:13] abbey : Sheriff: actually my entry was about 760-780 first but i've been buyin the dips, so it's risen to 828 on the way. :D
[2017-01-22 02:33:29] Sheriff : abbey: Even better!
[2017-01-22 02:33:43] abbey : at first I used 50-70x lev
[2017-01-22 02:34:30] abbey : also i took a bit profits on the way
[2017-01-22 02:37:13] abbey : i have 2 stops under 900
[2017-01-22 02:37:49] abbey : just in case
[2017-01-22 02:40:08] abbey : thanx guys, i'm quite happy. Lost about 20 btcs few weeks ago, now I've collected half of them back already.
[2017-01-22 02:40:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 175 @ 929.67
[2017-01-22 02:41:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 18 @ 930.83
[2017-01-22 02:41:25] thedoc : New high
[2017-01-22 02:44:27] Ahhere : abbey: great trade!
[2017-01-22 02:45:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 8200 @ 931.54
[2017-01-22 02:45:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2500 @ 931.60
[2017-01-22 02:49:36] abbey : Well, here we go gentlemen!
[2017-01-22 02:50:50] narnarfromnarnia : just a little shake and bake
[2017-01-22 02:52:10] aethlios : dumped 935 march okcoin
[2017-01-22 02:52:52] aethlios : manipulators could dump to 710 in a day, margin call all longs from bottom.
[2017-01-22 02:53:05] Battlebots : 20 pesos soon
[2017-01-22 02:53:44] Battlebots : MikeHunt are you in right now?
[2017-01-22 02:56:20] narnarfromnarnia : aethlios: lot of shorts from the top also
[2017-01-22 02:56:24] narnarfromnarnia : and no margin now
[2017-01-22 02:56:37] narnarfromnarnia : what do you think?
[2017-01-22 02:58:25] aethlios : I don't like this uptrend, is weak low volume no retrace, so shorts can't get out. up 30 usd, tight consolidation a few usd, then again etc.
[2017-01-22 02:59:45] aethlios : more looks like a relief rally.
[2017-01-22 03:01:37] aethlios : narnarfromnarnia: https://www.tradingview.com/x/XJ9xmi30/
[2017-01-22 03:01:49] aethlios : Price up, volume down. No thank's whales, I don't buy it.
[2017-01-22 03:02:00] narnarfromnarnia : aethlios: ya i agree
[2017-01-22 03:02:07] narnarfromnarnia : looks like dead cat on 1d
[2017-01-22 03:02:33] aethlios : narnarfromnarnia: also touched upper bollinger in daily.
[2017-01-22 03:03:20] narnarfromnarnia : aethlios: my daily stop loss right there
[2017-01-22 03:03:20] narnarfromnarnia : https://www.tradingview.com/x/T6QWh3XS/
[2017-01-22 03:03:26] Papou : I'm Long cny
[2017-01-22 03:03:29] Papou : make me rich
[2017-01-22 03:04:14] micmix : Papou: PBoC will help you with that :smile:
[2017-01-22 03:04:30] narnarfromnarnia : i bet they found some real insider trading
[2017-01-22 03:04:43] narnarfromnarnia : or some fake liquidity even though they had really good trading mechanism
[2017-01-22 03:05:00] narnarfromnarnia : they would just use 200-300x to control the entire market
[2017-01-22 03:05:02] narnarfromnarnia : who knows
[2017-01-22 03:05:23] MikeHunt : "huobi official announcement: we are considering charging trading fees"
[2017-01-22 03:07:24] micmix : doesn't matter if they can't get okc onboard
[2017-01-22 03:07:37] Ahhere : its brief but it gets the point across; @MikeHunt
[2017-01-22 03:07:43] narnarfromnarnia : aethlios: price still moves quite a bit on low volume
[2017-01-22 03:07:45] narnarfromnarnia : or it has in the past
[2017-01-22 03:08:08] aethlios : if they implement fees those exchanges will become ghost exchanges. If they don't and with no margin revenue they will default. Will be funny to keep operation with no fees and no margin revenue available. so the story has more parts ahead.
[2017-01-22 03:08:32] MikeHunt : aethlios: +1
[2017-01-22 03:09:00] narnarfromnarnia : aethlios: i bet they used fake liquidity to rekt that whale with insider info
[2017-01-22 03:09:07] narnarfromnarnia : and he ddos and reported them
[2017-01-22 03:09:18] narnarfromnarnia : that 10M contract from ATH short
[2017-01-22 03:09:19] micmix : charging fees will work if all big 3 okc/huobi/btcc will do it together
[2017-01-22 03:09:23] narnarfromnarnia : very suspect
[2017-01-22 03:09:30] Apocalyptic : narnarfromnarnia: this is a film-worthy scenario
[2017-01-22 03:09:48] narnarfromnarnia : i mean gox was trading with fake coins for a long time
[2017-01-22 03:09:58] micmix : non-Chinese volume will move someplace else but Chinese don't have any other options
[2017-01-22 03:09:58] narnarfromnarnia : i bet
[2017-01-22 03:11:26] Battlebots : Good evening micmix <3
[2017-01-22 03:11:53] aethlios : why kraken, stamp and finex have 0.20% fees? this is the level to operate profitable. so no margin and no fees they must be crooks, even mtgox had fees.
[2017-01-22 03:12:39] micmix : aethlios: Chinese exchanges were making tons of money by lending @ 0.1% per day
[2017-01-22 03:13:15] micmix : why crooks? now they will have to come up with another way to make money
[2017-01-22 03:13:44] abbey : aethlios: you're saying they are not setting fees after this?
[2017-01-22 03:14:34] aethlios : abbey: I say that if they don't set fees and also stop lending, then how can they explain their business model??
[2017-01-22 03:15:08] abbey : they will set fees
[2017-01-22 03:16:28] rapidtrades : sup u crazy bastards?
[2017-01-22 03:16:37] narnarfromnarnia : aethlios: because they're the pump and dump crew
[2017-01-22 03:16:46] micmix : my guess is that okc will continue with 0% fees, they will poor money from okc international to okc cny in order to capture market share
[2017-01-22 03:16:47] Ahhere : rapidtrades: bitcoin is up broski
[2017-01-22 03:17:03] micmix : *pour money
[2017-01-22 03:17:28] aethlios : narnarfromnarnia: will be funny to watch a pump and dump desk in action, making the plan and execute it.
[2017-01-22 03:17:40] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: you would describe it as "gayass pump"
[2017-01-22 03:18:06] rapidtrades : u got it brah
[2017-01-22 03:18:30] rapidtrades : u are seeing the light through the hopium
[2017-01-22 03:18:47] micmix : that's what I would do. they can probably lose money on okc cny for a long time bc they get make enough from okc international
[2017-01-22 03:19:30] guacamole : does okc international only trade usd or is it both usd and cny?
[2017-01-22 03:19:43] micmix : usd only
[2017-01-22 03:20:37] guacamole : didn't seem like they had a lot of volume in usd to really make that much from it, not sure what there fees are though
[2017-01-22 03:21:41] l3f : aethlios: how do you feel about the current uptrend?
[2017-01-22 03:21:52] l3f : we're moving up real fast
[2017-01-22 03:22:25] micmix : guacamole: okc international makes a killing on futures, volume is huge
[2017-01-22 03:23:19] aethlios : l3f: like the Lost Legions of Varus
[2017-01-22 03:23:21] guacamole : micmix: interesting, guess coinmarketcap isn't reporting things accurately
[2017-01-22 03:23:47] l3f : aethlios: exit pump confirmed?
[2017-01-22 03:24:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 604 @ 929.81
[2017-01-22 03:24:24] guacamole : must not include the futures market
[2017-01-22 03:24:50] aethlios : l3f: I don't like this uptrend, a bulls trap, looks like a relief rally, bears will be back soon and dump it 200 in a day.
[2017-01-22 03:25:21] l3f : I do believe this is the bull trap
[2017-01-22 03:25:24] guacamole : yeah that explains it, didn't realize the future market was that huge there
[2017-01-22 03:25:29] l3f : but I don't know how high it'll push
[2017-01-22 03:26:35] aethlios : l3f: if we retest 700, things will get very bad technically.
[2017-01-22 03:27:22] l3f : aethlios: I will call top once weekly RSI reaches 70
[2017-01-22 03:27:25] l3f : but we aint there yet
[2017-01-22 03:27:31] micmix : guacamole: okc futures daily volume is around 200m USD
[2017-01-22 03:27:46] narnarfromnarnia : l3f: weekly isn't for a few days though
[2017-01-22 03:28:02] narnarfromnarnia : this daily could retrace and then ded
[2017-01-22 03:28:15] guacamole : micmix: yeah just took a look, almost 100x the regular exchange volume, pretty crazy
[2017-01-22 03:28:22] narnarfromnarnia : daily stop loss is at 937 from short
[2017-01-22 03:28:31] narnarfromnarnia : we didn't make it there with much power
[2017-01-22 03:28:48] narnarfromnarnia : i think guys holding their shorts want them to really go down and bulls have no leverage
[2017-01-22 03:28:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 18 @ 929.23
[2017-01-22 03:28:56] REKT : Getting chopped to death is fun, everyone should try it!
[2017-01-22 03:29:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 40000 @ 928.64
[2017-01-22 03:29:27] micmix : guacamole: that's normal, futures have much higher volumes on regular markets as well
[2017-01-22 03:30:03] rapidtrades : aethlios: our EUR premiums are gone :(
[2017-01-22 03:30:04] rapidtrades : GONE
[2017-01-22 03:30:06] rapidtrades : GONE
[2017-01-22 03:30:09] rapidtrades : poor
[2017-01-22 03:30:16] aethlios : rapidtrades: how is the card??
[2017-01-22 03:30:30] rapidtrades : it's fine
[2017-01-22 03:30:49] rapidtrades : EUR orders have been a pain to execute tho
[2017-01-22 03:31:24] aethlios : I sold a lot above 900 usd for 6 month living.
[2017-01-22 03:31:36] aethlios : locked a nice exchange rate.
[2017-01-22 03:31:48] rapidtrades : took like a day to execute 0.25 btc...only executed it cos of pump
[2017-01-22 03:32:02] rapidtrades : they don't take the top asks unless it pumps
[2017-01-22 03:32:56] l3f : aethlios: set your dump targets at 1k
[2017-01-22 03:36:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 4650 @ 927.01
[2017-01-22 03:50:37] l3f : Remember the last time there were this many noobs on bitmex
[2017-01-22 03:50:46] l3f : :')
[2017-01-22 03:53:08] rapidtrades : PAY DAY
[2017-01-22 03:53:14] enki0182 : is btc currently overbought?
[2017-01-22 03:53:51] aethlios : Η&Σ ιν 5 μινθτε ψηαρτ.
[2017-01-22 03:54:03] aethlios : H&S in 5 minute chart
[2017-01-22 03:55:05] l3f : Nah we need some fud so I can buy cheaper
[2017-01-22 03:55:10] l3f : Thanks bottom sellers
[2017-01-22 04:08:57] aethlios : possible top here
[2017-01-22 04:11:55] l3f : aethlios: nah sideways chops for abit
[2017-01-22 04:11:56] l3f : imho
[2017-01-22 04:12:04] l3f : too stable to be top
[2017-01-22 04:15:28] ryvirath : the top of the entire bitcoin bull rally?
[2017-01-22 04:15:31] ryvirath : that's madness
[2017-01-22 04:15:48] aethlios : rally from 710.
[2017-01-22 04:16:37] ryvirath : if it goes back down to 700 the bull market is over and crypto goes into a bear market
[2017-01-22 04:16:39] ryvirath : I don't see it
[2017-01-22 04:17:00] ryvirath : but shorters are necessary for fuel so keepdoing
[2017-01-22 04:20:01] MikeHunt : i think this will continue until the trading fees officially kick in on china exchanges
[2017-01-22 04:20:21] MikeHunt : then it will either dump, or go parabollic and then epic dump
[2017-01-22 04:20:39] aethlios : back to 200, because of chinese exchange business model default.
[2017-01-22 04:22:59] Ahhere : yes 200 sounds like fair value good call
[2017-01-22 04:25:18] paniktrade : y so low here
[2017-01-22 04:25:24] paniktrade : CNY is like at 945
[2017-01-22 04:25:31] paniktrade : bfx at 940
[2017-01-22 04:25:46] paniktrade : and we're here like the peasants that ran out of cash
[2017-01-22 04:25:49] aethlios : then west exchanges get in the play with more transparency. market stops following zero fee bot exchanges trading the hole btc market cap in 24H.
[2017-01-22 04:25:50] paniktrade : at 930
[2017-01-22 04:26:45] ryvirath : ha yeah seriously bearmex
[2017-01-22 04:27:44] aethlios : buy the 200 dip chinese new year gift.
[2017-01-22 04:28:07] ryvirath : how short are you aethlios?
[2017-01-22 04:28:15] Ahhere : paniktrade: patience young grasshopper
[2017-01-22 04:28:59] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/bRRJplQ2/
[2017-01-22 04:29:27] paniktrade : aethlios: lmao
[2017-01-22 04:29:30] paniktrade : RIP
[2017-01-22 04:29:39] ryvirath : that's great
[2017-01-22 04:29:52] l3f : aethlios: Bitfinex get hacked again?
[2017-01-22 04:30:02] narnarfromnarnia : anyone using EMA what's your parameters?
[2017-01-22 04:30:19] narnarfromnarnia : i had something better than 7 / 30 before
[2017-01-22 04:30:20] narnarfromnarnia : forgot
[2017-01-22 04:30:51] aethlios : l3f: 3 major exchanges default, depositors lose % of their assets, a gox*3 situation. liquidity dries across the market.
[2017-01-22 04:31:01] narnarfromnarnia : aethlios: 100x short it is then :)
[2017-01-22 04:31:55] aethlios : just buy as much you can at 200.
[2017-01-22 04:32:44] aethlios : also segwit is not accepted, btc blockchain forks in 2
[2017-01-22 04:33:05] l3f : aethlios: You know it isn't bottom yet
[2017-01-22 04:33:17] l3f : because there isn't any suicide hotlines on /r/bitcoin
[2017-01-22 04:33:56] narnarfromnarnia : l3f: do they really post those?
[2017-01-22 04:33:57] narnarfromnarnia : lol
[2017-01-22 04:34:10] aethlios : l3f: bottom when youtubers btc lovers close channels and become btc hatters.
[2017-01-22 04:34:32] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: of course
[2017-01-22 04:34:44] narnarfromnarnia : not as a joke?
[2017-01-22 04:35:04] l3f : It was when bitcoin price halfed last time
[2017-01-22 04:35:07] l3f : 100% serious
[2017-01-22 04:35:25] Ahhere : $1000 tonight or I will eat my breakfast tomorrow
[2017-01-22 04:35:28] aethlios : i am in favor of a market clean for the crook china exchanges. we all follow fake 3 exchanges.
[2017-01-22 04:36:14] Battlebots : Crooked China
[2017-01-22 04:36:34] l3f : why are people panic selling already
[2017-01-22 04:36:39] l3f : or is it panic profit taking?
[2017-01-22 04:36:47] yungyang : yall niggas wild
[2017-01-22 04:37:23] Ahhere : yungyang: lol
[2017-01-22 04:37:49] narnarfromnarnia : https://www.tradingview.com/x/XumzuKJy/
[2017-01-22 04:37:56] narnarfromnarnia : 15m going into red RSI territory
[2017-01-22 04:38:03] narnarfromnarnia : l3f:
[2017-01-22 04:38:20] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: There is at least one leg up in this pump
[2017-01-22 04:38:32] narnarfromnarnia : l3f: yes on hourly
[2017-01-22 04:38:43] narnarfromnarnia : but 15m can still hit 915
[2017-01-22 04:38:47] narnarfromnarnia : my target for that
[2017-01-22 04:38:56] narnarfromnarnia : might close too early again though
[2017-01-22 04:39:03] narnarfromnarnia : but won't open a long
[2017-01-22 05:03:35] MikeHunt : okcoin said they are considering fees now as well
[2017-01-22 05:05:40] narnarfromnarnia : fees will just remove all the noise
[2017-01-22 05:10:55] aethlios : MikeHunt: where do you read those info??
[2017-01-22 05:12:45] MikeHunt : aethlios: cnledger on twitter
[2017-01-22 05:12:51] MikeHunt : aethlios: reports all info from choyna
[2017-01-22 05:31:20] blacktuesday : 108k bid lol
[2017-01-22 05:32:02] narnarfromnarnia : blacktuesday: its a faker
[2017-01-22 05:32:13] MikeHunt : 14hr funding rate has turned negative
[2017-01-22 05:32:15] MikeHunt : sentiment is shifting
[2017-01-22 05:34:02] blacktuesday : narnarfromnarnia: looka like it almost filled haha
[2017-01-22 05:34:07] aethlios : fee news soon????
[2017-01-22 05:34:48] narnarfromnarnia : when it cost .16 to hold a long
[2017-01-22 05:34:52] narnarfromnarnia : i doubt we're going up
[2017-01-22 05:34:54] aethlios : imagine real fee volume to be below finex, haha.
[2017-01-22 05:34:56] guacamole : bizarre that the cny market premium is at the lowest it's been all day despite the market moving up for most of the last 16 hours - while the usd quarterly premium is up, as is usually the case when the price rises
[2017-01-22 05:35:10] ElNuevo : no pamp?
[2017-01-22 05:37:49] MikeHunt : aethlios: ~35% drop in volume expected
[2017-01-22 05:38:57] aethlios : I say 85%
[2017-01-22 05:39:21] MikeHunt : aethlios: thats based on before no fees volume and after
[2017-01-22 05:39:23] MikeHunt : the trend
[2017-01-22 05:39:26] MikeHunt : coindesk did calculation
[2017-01-22 05:39:36] yungyang : probably down 100% volume iwbh
[2017-01-22 05:41:56] longbydefault : how do you place a stop limit order... it doesn't seem to be an option in the left sidebar
[2017-01-22 05:42:32] aethlios : MikeHunt: when those had fees last time, before 2013 pump?
[2017-01-22 05:42:41] micmix : longbydefault: click an arrow next to Stop Market
[2017-01-22 05:42:44] narnarfromnarnia : longbydefault: click stop market
[2017-01-22 05:42:52] narnarfromnarnia : above your order amt
[2017-01-22 05:43:00] longbydefault : thanks guys i see it now
[2017-01-22 05:49:59] MikeHunt : aethlios: i think so
[2017-01-22 05:51:50] MikeHunt : might be 2014
[2017-01-22 05:51:58] MikeHunt : around time it hit $200~
[2017-01-22 05:53:14] MikeHunt : it seems they did for a while in 2013
[2017-01-22 05:53:18] MikeHunt : then took it away
[2017-01-22 05:53:22] MikeHunt : came back in 2014 iirc
[2017-01-22 05:53:46] MikeHunt : oh my
[2017-01-22 05:53:58] MikeHunt : the price was $880 in 2013 when the decision was made to pull fees
[2017-01-22 05:54:06] MikeHunt : no fees*
[2017-01-22 05:54:13] MikeHunt : we know what happened after that....
[2017-01-22 05:54:31] MikeHunt : "This news seemed to cause a wave of panic selling, with the price of bitcoin falling from around $880 early on Monday morning (GMT) to $422 at around 11:00 today."
[2017-01-22 05:55:46] aethlios : MikeHunt: Nice, thenks!!
[2017-01-22 05:56:09] aethlios : MikeHunt: no fees look like QE for btc.
[2017-01-22 05:58:05] MikeHunt : aethlios: yeh lol
[2017-01-22 06:20:43] rafaelnorman : what's QE?
[2017-01-22 06:22:08] BitMEX_Wally : rafaelnorman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing
[2017-01-22 06:23:38] rafaelnorman : thanks
[2017-01-22 06:32:33] Papou : looks like bitcoin will go back to over 1000+
[2017-01-22 06:32:35] Papou : thats insane
[2017-01-22 06:32:40] Papou : so much for low volatility lol
[2017-01-22 06:32:46] Papou : 700-1000 in a week again lol
[2017-01-22 06:33:04] MikeHunt : Papou: no fees going to be introduced soon in china apparently
[2017-01-22 06:33:12] MikeHunt : that can cause price to drop very suddenly
[2017-01-22 06:33:15] Papou : doubtful
[2017-01-22 06:33:23] MikeHunt : okcoin just said they are going to
[2017-01-22 06:33:25] MikeHunt : thats all 3
[2017-01-22 06:34:15] MikeHunt : back in 2013 they reintroduced fees after PBoC banned all 3rd party payment providers from accepting bitcoin
[2017-01-22 06:34:26] MikeHunt : cause price drop form $880- to ~$400
[2017-01-22 06:34:39] Papou : lol doubt that will happen
[2017-01-22 06:34:46] Papou : they just pumped this crazy
[2017-01-22 06:34:55] Papou : and whole ok market is like 60% long
[2017-01-22 06:34:58] Papou : nobody shorting anymore
[2017-01-22 06:35:01] MikeHunt : the fees arent in place yet
[2017-01-22 06:35:04] Papou : soon nobody will sell and it will just pump crazy
[2017-01-22 06:35:09] aethlios : It is not QE but FE (fees easing).
[2017-01-22 06:35:27] MikeHunt : the same scenario happened in 2013
[2017-01-22 06:35:41] MikeHunt : same epic pump before massive dump
[2017-01-22 06:37:14] ryvirath : this isn't 2013 mikehunt; you are making a mistake. Blockchain is about to go viral and BTC is the gatekeeper
[2017-01-22 06:37:38] MikeHunt : ryvirath: we'll see i guess
[2017-01-22 06:37:55] MikeHunt : if faith can trump history
[2017-01-22 06:38:06] ryvirath : it's not faith, it's fundamentals
[2017-01-22 06:38:14] ryvirath : did you know coinbase is gaining 250k customers per month
[2017-01-22 06:38:39] ryvirath : 5 hedge funds have been created or moved into the token space
[2017-01-22 06:38:41] MikeHunt : ryvirath: even without bots china still owns half the market
[2017-01-22 06:39:06] ryvirath : this return to 900 and break upwards represents a fundamental rejection of China FUD by the market
[2017-01-22 06:39:22] MikeHunt : u could say that about any dead cat bounce
[2017-01-22 06:39:38] MikeHunt : ryvirath: http://www.buttcoinfoundation.org/stagesofabubble.png
[2017-01-22 06:39:42] ryvirath : if it was a dead cat bounce 900 would've been the top
[2017-01-22 06:39:49] MikeHunt : ryvirath: not necessarily
[2017-01-22 06:40:06] ryvirath : we were never in a bubble
[2017-01-22 06:40:12] ryvirath : we are edging towards one now
[2017-01-22 06:40:34] ryvirath : China tried to artificially create one and the PBoC rejected that and the market went a little bit manic
[2017-01-22 06:40:47] MikeHunt : ryvirath: we've been in the china bubble for 1.5yrs
[2017-01-22 06:41:09] MikeHunt : all that growth was based on no fees/leveraged trading
[2017-01-22 06:41:10] ryvirath : completely disagree
[2017-01-22 06:42:07] ryvirath : also Ethereum is the future so bitmex guys I would really love an Ether quarterly and the ability to deposit ETH
[2017-01-22 06:43:02] ryvirath : BitMEX_Wally: just pinging you
[2017-01-22 06:43:21] MikeHunt : ryvirath: eth died when they bailed out the gox
[2017-01-22 06:43:24] MikeHunt : DAO*
[2017-01-22 06:43:40] MikeHunt : ETC is the future
[2017-01-22 06:43:53] ryvirath : lol, your bank account has a poor future
[2017-01-22 06:44:02] MikeHunt : ryvirath: whys that?
[2017-01-22 06:44:25] ryvirath : first of all, there's no swarm deployment on ETC and they have become incompatible
[2017-01-22 06:44:44] ryvirath : secondly noone uses the ETC network; ETH has 10% of BTCs transactions and that's growing rapidly
[2017-01-22 06:44:54] MikeHunt : ryvirath: china is siding with ETC
[2017-01-22 06:44:54] ryvirath : hedge funds specifically for Ethereum have sprung up
[2017-01-22 06:45:37] ryvirath : so China is the reason BTC is going down and China is the reason ETC is going up?
[2017-01-22 06:45:40] ryvirath : you've put a lot of thought into this
[2017-01-22 06:45:52] ryvirath : might as well just say because god says so
[2017-01-22 06:46:35] ryvirath : fourthly there are several hundred dapps; all being developed for Ethereum and the Casper scalability plan
[2017-01-22 06:46:43] ryvirath : a few thousand developers
[2017-01-22 06:46:49] ryvirath : institutional acceptance of the codebase
[2017-01-22 06:46:54] ryvirath : helps with compatibility
[2017-01-22 06:47:10] ryvirath : Consensys is developing a heavyweight working group
[2017-01-22 06:47:30] ryvirath : 2017 will see at least 5 niche dapps and one eventually mainstream dapp (prediction markets) go live
[2017-01-22 06:47:38] ryvirath : anyway that's just the tip of the iceberg
[2017-01-22 06:48:54] sleger : etc is not ethereum dummy
[2017-01-22 06:48:58] MikeHunt : ryvirath: Yes china dumped on pboc announcements, not sure about etc
[2017-01-22 06:49:15] MikeHunt : i mean eth is fundamentally flawed because of what the devs did with bailout
[2017-01-22 06:49:25] ryvirath : hehe
[2017-01-22 06:49:33] ryvirath : you are going to have so much egg on your face mikehunt
[2017-01-22 06:49:38] MikeHunt : y?
[2017-01-22 06:50:07] ryvirath : oh because Ethereum is very likely going to be the dominant public chain
[2017-01-22 06:50:34] MikeHunt : ryvirath: china picked etc, so that makes eth poo poo already
[2017-01-22 06:50:35] ryvirath : and the DAO represents one incorrect coding procedures not a fundamental flaw with turing completeness
[2017-01-22 06:50:49] MikeHunt : ryvirath: bailing out= socialized losses = socialism
[2017-01-22 06:50:51] MikeHunt : socialism = cancer
[2017-01-22 06:50:55] MikeHunt : destroys over time
[2017-01-22 06:51:10] cz9emcu : have you looked at programming a smart contract in ethereum? Dapps are the future, but not on that platform.
[2017-01-22 06:51:15] ryvirath : I see you bought the propaganda hook like an sinker
[2017-01-22 06:51:35] ryvirath : anyone I'm here to convert; but you will probably remember this conversation some time down the line as an oppurtunity you didn't take to alter your beliefs
[2017-01-22 06:51:42] ryvirath : I'm not here*
[2017-01-22 06:51:57] MikeHunt : ryvirath: socialism is always bad
[2017-01-22 06:52:07] MikeHunt : it means devs arent resposible
[2017-01-22 06:52:24] ryvirath : cz9emcu: yeah I've done some basic stuff; enough for me to realize that governments will want Tezos and mass market will use Ethereum
[2017-01-22 06:52:45] ryvirath : OCaml is the shit for formal decidability
[2017-01-22 06:53:27] cz9emcu : Its a horrible programming env. It will easily be replaced by a better one. Consider ethereum to be Yahoo
[2017-01-22 06:53:41] MikeHunt : cz9emcu: lol
[2017-01-22 06:54:00] MikeHunt : mEth is bad for u
[2017-01-22 06:54:20] stevenmst : How does a mechanism for a central authority to step in and move money around at will not break the entire idea of the blockchain?
[2017-01-22 06:55:00] MikeHunt : stevenmst: whole point of cryptocurrencies imo is to bankrupt inefficient regimes
[2017-01-22 06:55:10] stevenmst : ehh
[2017-01-22 06:55:15] stevenmst : it might be a side effect
[2017-01-22 06:55:20] MikeHunt : stevenmst: NSA did paper on crypto back in 1996
[2017-01-22 06:55:23] stevenmst : not the purpose though
[2017-01-22 06:55:30] MikeHunt : maybe
[2017-01-22 06:55:36] stevenmst : got a link for that?
[2017-01-22 06:55:46] MikeHunt : it also allows tracability of money
[2017-01-22 06:56:16] MikeHunt : stevenmst: i think this is it... http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm
[2017-01-22 06:56:27] ryvirath : cz9emcu: the EF formal verification guy is doing some amazing work and Dr. R is redesigning Solidity assembly to be more capable in that respect
[2017-01-22 06:56:57] cz9emcu : i saw that. We'll see
[2017-01-22 06:57:31] thailand : ryvirath: ETH will be the public chain you say? MIssed prior convo
[2017-01-22 06:57:57] ryvirath : one of three or four I'd imagine, but the main one
[2017-01-22 06:58:04] ryvirath : for consumer facing stuff
[2017-01-22 06:58:18] thailand : what are the other 2-3?
[2017-01-22 06:58:22] thailand : in your opinion
[2017-01-22 06:58:39] thailand : I've been curious about alts as of late
[2017-01-22 06:59:00] cz9emcu : They've carved out too big a programming lang for Formal Methods. It just needs to be a contract language not Turing Complete. Typical result of greenhorns working on industrial problems
[2017-01-22 06:59:36] ryvirath : not many people can use the languages that would work with contracting
[2017-01-22 06:59:52] thailand : ryvirath: you have xp in the field?
[2017-01-22 07:00:12] cz9emcu : Its like Java and the JVM.
[2017-01-22 07:00:15] ryvirath : some
[2017-01-22 07:00:37] cz9emcu : no one programs in bytecodes but higher level abstractions. But their VM is crappola
[2017-01-22 07:00:57] ryvirath : Tez0s will have a really amazing VM
[2017-01-22 07:01:13] Apocalyptic : "oh because Ethereum is very likely going to be the dominant public chain" I lol
[2017-01-22 07:01:22] Apocalyptic : hope you're not heavily invested
[2017-01-22 07:01:35] Apocalyptic : you're in for a rude awakening
[2017-01-22 07:04:09] stevenmst : MikeHunt: one of the requirements in the doc is: "payer anonymity during payment, "
[2017-01-22 07:05:53] stevenmst : its really interesting but its like... ecash before that was a thing
[2017-01-22 07:08:20] stevenmst : weird how btc allows for trace-ability of monetary flow while simultaneously allowing prevention of tracing
[2017-01-22 07:12:31] MikeHunt : stevenmst: apparently lightening should make it proper anonymous
[2017-01-22 07:12:51] stevenmst : you mean lightning network?
[2017-01-22 07:13:47] stevenmst : I guess it would, offchain transactions and all.
[2017-01-22 07:14:38] MikeHunt : stevenmst: yeh that
[2017-01-22 07:40:36] laisee : u mean LN with/without dynamic routing?
[2017-01-22 07:46:09] VenCap : Short today boys...
[2017-01-22 07:46:22] VenCap : if you want to lose your bitcoin.....
[2017-01-22 07:54:57] sda : anyone trading ETC
[2017-01-22 07:58:49] alejandromasari : I accidentally removed the indicator XBTindex from my chart. How do I re-add it?
[2017-01-22 08:03:31] MikeHunt : try switching to another chart and the back
[2017-01-22 08:03:42] MikeHunt : like to h17 or etc
[2017-01-22 08:09:13] VenCap : Straits will implement Lightening network, first alt coi to do so
[2017-01-22 08:09:20] VenCap : and Tumblebit
[2017-01-22 08:09:54] VenCap : https://twitter.com/PolyCoins/status/822959532506750976
[2017-01-22 08:19:09] Derreck : seems like 950 is within reach
[2017-01-22 08:25:00] MikeHunt : next funding is negative
[2017-01-22 08:25:06] MikeHunt : sentiment is becoming bearish
[2017-01-22 08:30:08] Derreck : The plan (#mBTC units) has been discussed amongst local #Chinese exchanges, & we believe it will appease the regulators, w/ "lower" prices. https://twitter.com/bobbyclee/status/823000703660457986
[2017-01-22 08:30:21] Derreck : Idea is that price increasing from ¥6,000 to ¥8,000 is a huge ¥2,000 increase! Whereas from ¥6 to ¥8 is a lot more acceptable. #BitcoinSplit
[2017-01-22 08:30:25] ryvirath : man, stratis hypers are everywhere
[2017-01-22 08:30:47] ryvirath : what's the point of implementing segwit on stratis. lol
[2017-01-22 08:50:49] alejandromasari : MikeHunt: are you selling short? sentiment bearish you say...
[2017-01-22 09:01:14] Tetsuo : Derreck: WTF Bobby Lee? is that a joke
[2017-01-22 09:04:51] MikeHunt : alejandromasari: yeh, collecting funding for time being