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[2017-01-21 11:19:48] narnarfromnarnia : BTCDJS: fomo bot?
[2017-01-21 11:20:28] BTCDJS : https://twitter.com/botfomo/status/822763808456376320
[2017-01-21 11:26:57] VenCap : wow big orders on the books
[2017-01-21 11:30:03] VenCap : probaly a sell off before breaking 930
[2017-01-21 11:30:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 28000 @ 926.80
[2017-01-21 11:30:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 35000 @ 6409.6
[2017-01-21 11:30:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 25700 @ 928.09
[2017-01-21 11:30:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 4900 @ 918.79
[2017-01-21 11:30:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 450 @ 919.27
[2017-01-21 11:30:34] REKT : HODL HODL HODL!
[2017-01-21 11:31:14] thedoc : Who dumped
[2017-01-21 11:31:17] bingbongfly : uhm, rektecation
[2017-01-21 11:31:19] bingbongfly : this is going down
[2017-01-21 11:31:57] bingbongfly : Feels okey to not be in an position
[2017-01-21 11:31:58] VenCap : big buys where fake to get sells filled?
[2017-01-21 11:32:09] bingbongfly : if one is unsure, stay out
[2017-01-21 11:33:05] VenCap : exactly
[2017-01-21 11:33:14] VenCap : if one has small balls.. do not margin trade :O)
[2017-01-21 11:33:48] bingbongfly : 172312 contracts on spaw lol
[2017-01-21 11:33:55] bingbongfly : swap, at 91999
[2017-01-21 11:34:48] VenCap : i am pro long.. but right now.. i would not go long
[2017-01-21 11:35:23] bingbongfly : VenCap: me neither, I'm just out of the market since I dunno where it goes. Still have 1x long on my trading stack
[2017-01-21 11:35:38] bingbongfly : won't bother to hedge atm
[2017-01-21 11:35:54] VenCap : i like to play x25 up over .45 for the day. so got my wages for the day
[2017-01-21 11:36:24] VenCap : its getting more risky to go long.. maybe $950 before $100 drop i think
[2017-01-21 11:38:39] abbey : twist and shout
[2017-01-21 11:39:32] bingbongfly : so the 172312 contracts long on swap just got filled right?
[2017-01-21 11:39:40] bingbongfly : expect some big liq here then if we move down a bit
[2017-01-21 11:45:18] Derreck : 6400 again
[2017-01-21 11:46:24] abbey : get raedy
[2017-01-21 11:56:48] Kinda : abbey: for what?
[2017-01-21 11:58:34] abbey : Kinda: for anything, it's important to be ready these days. I expect fast moves soon.
[2017-01-21 11:59:21] abbey : talking about btc oc
[2017-01-21 11:59:39] Kinda : abbey: moves are going up atm we might get big rally
[2017-01-21 12:00:15] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: buy 10 @ 103543
[2017-01-21 12:00:22] abbey : if we continue up, it's going far
[2017-01-21 12:01:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 7800 @ 923.39
[2017-01-21 12:02:23] Kinda : abbey: but ya never know right :p
[2017-01-21 12:03:07] abbey : Kinda: we will find out soon enough
[2017-01-21 12:04:12] abz : smart money is selling here, good to sell
[2017-01-21 12:05:02] l3f : Shorts rekt yet?
[2017-01-21 12:05:31] Kinda : abz: shorting you mean
[2017-01-21 12:05:33] abz : l3f: naked shorts - yes
[2017-01-21 12:05:53] abz : Kinda: yep
[2017-01-21 12:06:07] l3f : How's our friend Paduo holding up?
[2017-01-21 12:06:11] Kinda : smart money is going long :D
[2017-01-21 12:06:40] l3f : Papou*
[2017-01-21 12:06:41] abz : Kinda: yes, but not from here
[2017-01-21 12:06:44] l3f : Still alive?
[2017-01-21 12:06:55] Kinda : abz: from where then tell me
[2017-01-21 12:07:46] Kinda : abz: from sub 800 that's what u say ?
[2017-01-21 12:07:59] abz : Kinda: from 828 at least
[2017-01-21 12:08:36] Kinda : abz: and top at ?
[2017-01-21 12:09:16] abz : Kinda: first resistance at 950 as far as I can see
[2017-01-21 12:10:14] abz : Kinda: if bull will be able to stay above 920
[2017-01-21 12:10:29] abz : *bulls
[2017-01-21 12:10:43] Kinda : abz: this would be to easy to predict everyone would be winner
[2017-01-21 12:11:13] abbey : abz: heh, that's exactly my entry price of xbtusd swap contracts. 828
[2017-01-21 12:11:39] abz : yeah, but volumes are extremely thin
[2017-01-21 12:11:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 200 @ 0.012902
[2017-01-21 12:12:09] abz : abbey: you are wise men
[2017-01-21 12:12:40] abbey : volumes are thin while forming a handle @abz
[2017-01-21 12:12:54] abbey : thanks @abz
[2017-01-21 12:13:05] Kinda : abbey: how do you create a swap contract?
[2017-01-21 12:13:46] abz : abbey: be careful here, this *could* be a bullish sign also
[2017-01-21 12:14:14] abbey : Perpetual Swap @Kinda
[2017-01-21 12:14:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 5 @ 0.012874
[2017-01-21 12:14:55] abz : abbey: chinese was good on volume pumping, last year, sigh...
[2017-01-21 12:15:07] abbey : abz: what could be a bullish sign?
[2017-01-21 12:16:05] abbey : I'm so bullish u can't believe it
[2017-01-21 12:16:22] abz : low volumes for the cup structure at beginning
[2017-01-21 12:17:08] abbey : I'm talking about THE handle
[2017-01-21 12:17:29] abz : abbey: oh, sorry then
[2017-01-21 12:19:08] abbey : the one that started jan 5.
[2017-01-21 12:20:55] abz : abbey: sorry, I do not understand. Can you show the chart?
[2017-01-21 12:25:22] abbey : abz: i'm talking about the cup that started from last ath 2013
[2017-01-21 12:28:31] abbey : We wil go up quite soon or down first just to go up later on.
[2017-01-21 12:28:38] Kinda : abbey: what value did the cup reach?
[2017-01-21 12:29:31] abbey : 1139.9 @stamp
[2017-01-21 12:29:58] Kinda : abbey: you expect the same?
[2017-01-21 12:30:41] abbey : I expect moon and beyond
[2017-01-21 12:30:56] abz : abbey: my take is 690 then 1600 by Nov 2017 http://zentrade.online/bitcoin-price-action-update-20170113/
[2017-01-21 12:31:31] thedoc : New high
[2017-01-21 12:31:32] abbey : abz: I know, let's see
[2017-01-21 12:31:42] Derreck : 950 incoming?
[2017-01-21 12:33:33] abz : Derreck: on thin liquidity like this is doubtful
[2017-01-21 12:50:25] trollytroll : test 123
[2017-01-21 12:50:37] Noobz : 456
[2017-01-21 12:50:41] REKT : Close your longs, close your shorts, choppy waters ahead!
[2017-01-21 12:50:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 40000 @ 923.68
[2017-01-21 12:50:41] trollytroll : thx
[2017-01-21 12:50:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2000 @ 923.38
[2017-01-21 12:51:34] trollytroll : i'm new here. can someone tell me how to calculate profits with XBTH17?
[2017-01-21 12:51:52] trollytroll : let's say i bought 50 xbt and 900
[2017-01-21 12:52:02] trollytroll : and it's trading at 932 now
[2017-01-21 12:52:09] trollytroll : how much am i up?
[2017-01-21 12:53:01] trollytroll : i meant i bought 50 contracts @ 900 and it's 932...
[2017-01-21 12:53:41] Teddy76 : calculator icon just under BitMEX logo
[2017-01-21 12:54:17] trollytroll : ty!
[2017-01-21 12:55:21] Teddy76 : try to trade 1 contract before big amount, the time to learn
[2017-01-21 12:55:43] trollytroll : is 50 contracts a big amount?
[2017-01-21 12:56:15] Teddy76 : this exchange can make you rich or broke in a minute ;)
[2017-01-21 12:56:27] NeoXx : trollytroll: there is also http://testnet.bitmex.com/
[2017-01-21 12:56:37] NeoXx : its same as this one but you trade with virtual money
[2017-01-21 12:56:46] trollytroll : ty neoxx
[2017-01-21 12:56:59] Teddy76 : yes, 50c is reasonable
[2017-01-21 12:59:27] trollytroll : hmmm.. i bought 50 contracts @ 900, and sold at 920. my profit was 0.0012 XBT...how much is 0.0012XBT in US dollars?
[2017-01-21 13:00:12] NeoXx : trollytroll: (current bitcoin price)*0.0012
[2017-01-21 13:00:21] trollytroll : only $1.10 USD...?
[2017-01-21 13:00:40] l3f : Yo bitmex, why is the fee column zero
[2017-01-21 13:00:42] l3f : https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2017-01-21 13:00:43] l3f : on there
[2017-01-21 13:00:47] l3f : surely I paid some fees
[2017-01-21 13:01:06] NeoXx : trollytroll: yes, you probably havent used any leverage and 50 contracts is nothing
[2017-01-21 13:01:29] trollytroll : wow 50 contracts here is nothing like 50 contracts in the U.S. futures market
[2017-01-21 13:01:43] charlyko : 50 contratcs here are 50$
[2017-01-21 13:01:55] charlyko : you can see it if you read before trading
[2017-01-21 13:02:09] trollytroll : i understand...so i made $1.10 USD on $50 USD
[2017-01-21 13:02:24] trollytroll : or, i made 0.0012XBT on 50 contracts
[2017-01-21 13:02:35] trollytroll : with an entry of 900 and exit of 920
[2017-01-21 13:02:40] Teddy76 : trollytroll: becareful also at fees, if your 2 orders were market order, you pay 0.75% fees on each trade, maker order ave a rebate of 0.25%
[2017-01-21 13:02:48] trollytroll : ty teddy76
[2017-01-21 13:03:02] Teddy76 : have a read here : https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradingOverview
[2017-01-21 13:03:18] trollytroll : ty teddy76
[2017-01-21 13:03:41] NeoXx : trollytroll: if you bought one XBT for say 900 and it rose to 920 you would make 20$. However you bought only 1/18th of one bitcoin and probably haven't used leverage so your profit is 1/18*20
[2017-01-21 13:04:06] charlyko : also if you are new here. dont touch 100x. lol
[2017-01-21 13:04:15] trollytroll : lol ty charlyko
[2017-01-21 13:04:23] trollytroll : neoxx thx for explaining
[2017-01-21 13:04:26] Kinda : charlyko: only if you see the crash starting
[2017-01-21 13:05:13] trollytroll : neoxx, in bitmex calculator if you buy Qty. 1, entry 900, and exit 920, it says Profit/Loss = 0.0000 XBT
[2017-01-21 13:05:24] charlyko : xdd
[2017-01-21 13:05:36] trollytroll : are you sure your math is right neoxx?
[2017-01-21 13:07:04] NeoXx : trollytroll: it says that because the profit is negligible as its only one contract
[2017-01-21 13:07:17] NeoXx : trollytroll: its not one bitcoin, its one contract
[2017-01-21 13:08:14] trollytroll : ah ok, i see then. qty. is different from what you meant. what do you mean when you say "if you bought 1 XBT"?
[2017-01-21 13:08:38] trollytroll : what does 1XBT translate to in terms of qty. in the bitmex calculator?
[2017-01-21 13:09:40] NeoXx : 1XBT is one bitcoin which is worth around 920$ currently. I meant you buy enough contracts so the cost will be 1XBT as you actually owned one bitcoin
[2017-01-21 13:10:11] trollytroll : so you mean like 80,000 contracts??
[2017-01-21 13:10:27] trollytroll : b/c approx. 80,000 contracts = 1.0222 XBT
[2017-01-21 13:10:54] trollytroll : (is my math right?)
[2017-01-21 13:11:06] NeoXx : I think one contract is 1$
[2017-01-21 13:11:09] NeoXx : you're probably using leverage
[2017-01-21 13:11:46] trollytroll : i had leverage = 100 in bitmex calculator
[2017-01-21 13:11:48] trollytroll : ur right
[2017-01-21 13:12:27] trollytroll : 900 qty. = 900 contracts = 1 XBT with leverage = 1
[2017-01-21 13:12:59] NeoXx : trollytroll: there you go
[2017-01-21 13:15:16] Kinda : guys I have a joke
[2017-01-21 13:15:22] Kinda : try not to laugh to hard
[2017-01-21 13:15:28] trollytroll : i understand now, ty neoxx
[2017-01-21 13:15:29] popppp : difference btwn perpetual swap and margin?
[2017-01-21 13:15:46] Kinda : XMR and BTC are in correlation (Coindesk#)
[2017-01-21 13:16:23] thedoc : xmr/btc dumping
[2017-01-21 13:17:11] Kinda : thedoc: btc has been up but xmr not
[2017-01-21 13:17:48] thedoc : damn someone got rekt for 20k ETC contracts
[2017-01-21 13:18:10] thedoc : gotta love when people long a coin big after it went up 25% or so
[2017-01-21 13:20:25] guacamole : anyone know what fee moneymaker pays for taker fee?
[2017-01-21 13:23:08] guacamole : marketmaker*
[2017-01-21 13:23:49] Beowulf : why i cant send bitcoins in withraw in the second conformasion, its blank with adress
[2017-01-21 13:24:14] sleger : guacamole: market makers pay the same fee as everyone else
[2017-01-21 13:24:49] guacamole : sleger: all right, ty
[2017-01-21 13:25:18] guacamole : i guess they probably shave off a tiny amount with referrals
[2017-01-21 13:27:18] thedoc : dont dump yet btc
[2017-01-21 13:27:23] l3f : guacamole: MMs make money via the spread
[2017-01-21 13:27:26] thedoc : i dont want an old fashion weekend dump
[2017-01-21 13:27:32] l3f : also post-only orders
[2017-01-21 13:27:34] l3f : which you can place as well
[2017-01-21 13:27:40] l3f : if you trick them into eating into your wall
[2017-01-21 13:27:45] l3f : they pay
[2017-01-21 13:28:16] guacamole : l3f: ty, yeah i know but i was wondering if it makes more sense to try to make market maker hit my order as opposed to paying the fee - but if market maker pays the same fee, that strategy doesn't make much sense
[2017-01-21 13:28:30] l3f : guacamole: making risk free profit
[2017-01-21 13:28:33] l3f : definitely makes sense to be a MM
[2017-01-21 13:28:34] l3f : hahaha
[2017-01-21 13:29:09] guacamole : yeah, depending on the strategy used i'm sure there's a bit of risk but fairly low and decent profit potential
[2017-01-21 13:29:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 8985 @ 921.29
[2017-01-21 13:29:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5000 @ 921.28
[2017-01-21 13:31:36] guacamole : l3f: i am curious how much the MM's make, whether it's a little profit ground out each day or if they're making hundreds of thousands $ per year
[2017-01-21 13:32:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2000 @ 921.15
[2017-01-21 13:32:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 15800 @ 921.10
[2017-01-21 13:32:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 250 @ 921.07
[2017-01-21 13:32:28] l3f : Core dive incoming
[2017-01-21 13:32:31] l3f : back to zero
[2017-01-21 13:32:37] l3f : (buy the dip)
[2017-01-21 13:37:34] VenCap : Bitcoin? not for a while i should think
[2017-01-21 13:46:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 4070 @ 920.71
[2017-01-21 13:46:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 150 @ 920.37
[2017-01-21 13:48:41] BitMEX_Wally : Market makers pay the same taker fees and maker fees as everyone else
[2017-01-21 13:50:27] l3f : BitMEX_Wally: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2017-01-21 13:50:41] l3f : Hey can you verify if the Fees column is working properly?
[2017-01-21 13:51:13] trollytroll : if i buy 200,000 contracts of xbth17 would you guys want to know?
[2017-01-21 13:52:31] BitMEX_Wally : l3f: Yes in the wallet history the fee for a RealisedPNL is actually the tax paid due to DPE, which no longer exists so it's always 0
[2017-01-21 13:52:45] abbey : watch 6,5k cny limit carefully
[2017-01-21 13:52:56] l3f : BitMEX_Wally: Ok
[2017-01-21 13:53:30] Rado : It's now only for Withdrawal fee
[2017-01-21 14:06:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 20 @ 0.011830
[2017-01-21 14:11:12] charlyko : btc up?
[2017-01-21 14:12:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 120 @ 0.012040
[2017-01-21 14:12:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 500 @ 0.011980
[2017-01-21 14:14:31] VenCap : yes BTC up going to try for $1,000 again next week or so
[2017-01-21 14:15:09] Rado : maybe
[2017-01-21 14:15:17] thedoc : eth news?
[2017-01-21 14:16:18] abz : Watch the smart monies http://zentrade.online/usd-vs-cny-bitcoin-battle/
[2017-01-21 14:20:56] amirmass : DUMPOOOOO
[2017-01-21 14:21:45] laisee : is that the magick word that causes price to fall?
[2017-01-21 14:22:03] Kinda : thedoc: just think it s going up since btc is dumpinh
[2017-01-21 14:23:38] VenCap : 917 please
[2017-01-21 14:26:18] VenCap : 918 will do
[2017-01-21 14:28:10] VenCap : arise rooster
[2017-01-21 14:32:19] VenCap : Mega buys.. wow.. Bitcoin Beast Mode.
[2017-01-21 14:32:25] VenCap : Ride the Bull.... dont try and fight it!
[2017-01-21 14:36:36] Kinda : VenCap: you rly think you can control the market like that?
[2017-01-21 14:38:18] abbey : ^ it's just euphoria
[2017-01-21 14:38:48] VenCap : Kinda, hell no. i just like to commentate.
[2017-01-21 14:39:07] VenCap : Bitcoin talks . Contracts talk.
[2017-01-21 14:39:28] VenCap : i bought at 918 and 919 just missed out on 917
[2017-01-21 14:40:28] charlyko : 922/921/920/919/918 buys here. lol
[2017-01-21 14:40:44] abbey : euphoria will become familiar to all of us soon, if it's not already. Nothing wrong with it.
[2017-01-21 14:40:51] VenCap : nice charlyk
[2017-01-21 14:41:00] charlyko : plz move up XDDD
[2017-01-21 14:41:05] thedoc : ETC heading back up
[2017-01-21 14:41:13] VenCap : i just swing trade. never going to sleep on it,
[2017-01-21 14:41:20] VenCap : ETC would not touch that, ever.
[2017-01-21 14:41:22] charlyko : great. I am long on etc in kraken
[2017-01-21 14:41:36] charlyko : I like very much etc
[2017-01-21 14:42:01] charlyko : I am a ETH ICO buyer., that switch 90% my bag into etc
[2017-01-21 14:42:18] VenCap : probally a good choice for potential gains this year
[2017-01-21 14:42:30] charlyko : I hope...!
[2017-01-21 14:42:58] charlyko : I am in ethereum for long term but dont like to support a fundation ( ETH ) but yes the tech ( ETC )
[2017-01-21 14:43:12] rullwull : ETC is moving
[2017-01-21 14:43:20] thedoc : i like whatever china likes. BTC, ETC, LTC
[2017-01-21 14:43:26] VenCap : eth should be here to stay, if it aint dead now after the total shambles it can survive anything
[2017-01-21 14:43:32] charlyko : thedoc: hahaha that is a good point of view lol
[2017-01-21 14:43:41] VenCap : i like POS coins.
[2017-01-21 14:43:50] thedoc : piece of shit coins?
[2017-01-21 14:43:51] VenCap : and bitcoin
[2017-01-21 14:43:56] charlyko : lmao
[2017-01-21 14:44:02] VenCap : Proof of Stake :P
[2017-01-21 14:44:06] thedoc : oh
[2017-01-21 14:44:37] charlyko : well. soon we all will have a new protocol called Proof Of Cooperation. PoC
[2017-01-21 14:44:43] Kinda : second leg on etc on polo
[2017-01-21 14:44:52] charlyko : there is a coin working on it. and looks really promising
[2017-01-21 14:45:02] yungyang : ethereum while flawed
[2017-01-21 14:45:07] VenCap : Straits, I/OCoin.. etc....
[2017-01-21 14:45:09] VenCap : https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_Stake
[2017-01-21 14:45:14] yungyang : is the most beautiful, usable creation in our ecosystem
[2017-01-21 14:45:37] charlyko : yungyang: yes. ethereum as ETC not as ETH
[2017-01-21 14:45:37] charlyko : XD
[2017-01-21 14:46:07] VenCap : 926 before next little sell off?
[2017-01-21 14:46:44] VenCap : Guys you have to agree, BTC looks real Bullish ATM
[2017-01-21 14:46:53] yungyang : DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO
[2017-01-21 14:47:19] VenCap : 925 bitstamp nice.
[2017-01-21 14:47:30] VenCap : id like $1,000 by end of Jan
[2017-01-21 14:47:47] charlyko : better by the end of the day
[2017-01-21 14:48:07] VenCap : lols if only
[2017-01-21 14:48:18] VenCap : but the huge buys i have seen.. i would not bet against it
[2017-01-21 14:48:38] charlyko : china love pump on weekends
[2017-01-21 14:49:41] VenCap : "Love Pump"
[2017-01-21 14:49:44] VenCap : :P
[2017-01-21 14:50:05] sleger : huge buys where ? Volumes are low
[2017-01-21 14:50:53] VenCap : vols missleading, some people know whats happening.
[2017-01-21 14:51:00] VenCap : why does it keep rising? on low vol?
[2017-01-21 14:51:21] VenCap : sleger what is your short price?
[2017-01-21 14:53:42] Rado : sleger: don't pay attention to newbs
[2017-01-21 14:54:21] sleger : VenCap: what you mean by short price newb ?
[2017-01-21 14:54:40] Rado : I was bullish since mid 700s, but now is not the time to go long
[2017-01-21 14:54:43] VenCap : Sleger. The price you have Shorted Bitcoin at today
[2017-01-21 14:55:05] Rado : I don't think he is short
[2017-01-21 14:55:40] VenCap : ah.
[2017-01-21 14:56:07] VenCap : 922 proving hard nut to crack here
[2017-01-21 14:56:59] yungyang : why can we not teach one another?
[2017-01-21 14:57:04] yungyang : giving all the skills to succeed
[2017-01-21 14:57:10] yungyang : lest you be afraid of minor competition
[2017-01-21 14:57:17] Rado : we do
[2017-01-21 14:57:23] VenCap : yes, to share is to care
[2017-01-21 14:57:30] Rado : I've learned a lot in here over the last year
[2017-01-21 14:57:36] yungyang : VenCap: true that this is me vs you, however
[2017-01-21 14:57:47] yungyang : so to teach you, is to increase difficulty, yes?
[2017-01-21 14:57:49] VenCap : Rado, what was the best advice?
[2017-01-21 14:58:00] VenCap : increase difficulty?
[2017-01-21 14:58:05] yungyang : sure
[2017-01-21 14:58:18] yungyang : one person buys, one sells. both think they are right
[2017-01-21 14:58:32] yungyang : me? I just love a good BLT
[2017-01-21 14:58:56] Rado : VenCap: Best advice I can give you is to preserve capital
[2017-01-21 14:58:58] VenCap : BLT good choice
[2017-01-21 14:59:06] Rado : profits will come later if you are able to do that
[2017-01-21 14:59:12] sleger : VenCap: who said I shorted newb ?
[2017-01-21 14:59:12] VenCap : Preserve capital with stop losses right?
[2017-01-21 14:59:27] VenCap : Ok, so since you are calling me a noob.
[2017-01-21 14:59:34] VenCap : What would be good returns today for a noob?
[2017-01-21 14:59:47] sleger : one day returns means nothing
[2017-01-21 15:00:02] VenCap : ok a week then? i made profits every day this week.
[2017-01-21 15:00:24] VenCap : since i am noob and all... justwondering where my Noob skills are letting me down
[2017-01-21 15:00:26] sleger : oh a full week ?
[2017-01-21 15:00:28] thailand : more like multiple years with a 1000+ sample size of trades lol
[2017-01-21 15:00:32] sleger : a full week during btc only went up ???
[2017-01-21 15:00:35] sleger : newb
[2017-01-21 15:00:36] thailand : lmao
[2017-01-21 15:00:36] VenCap : i have only jsut started margin trading
[2017-01-21 15:00:38] VenCap : :)
[2017-01-21 15:00:49] VenCap : however been in crypto 3 years
[2017-01-21 15:01:03] VenCap : and made over 15x my initial investment
[2017-01-21 15:01:06] sleger : so you've been long, the price went up for a week and you made money so you think its a track record, got you
[2017-01-21 15:01:19] charlyko : VenCap: same to me with high leverage. was in kraken with 3x
[2017-01-21 15:01:27] yungyang : over confidence can be damaging
[2017-01-21 15:01:36] yungyang : don't set a goal to earn each day/week/yr
[2017-01-21 15:01:58] yungyang : set a plan, and stick to it. you will win/lose, but if your plan is good one and has high prob of winnin
[2017-01-21 15:02:03] yungyang : you win mas, si?
[2017-01-21 15:02:50] VenCap : no.
[2017-01-21 15:03:03] VenCap : but surviving in crypto for 3 years is good
[2017-01-21 15:03:12] yungyang : yes, that is very much good yah
[2017-01-21 15:03:17] VenCap : i have rules know how to stick to them
[2017-01-21 15:03:33] yungyang : yeah but the real question is, did you buy $DAO
[2017-01-21 15:05:35] thailand : Dunning–Kruger effect is strong in here
[2017-01-21 15:07:32] Farzad : Hey guys
[2017-01-21 15:08:22] thedoc : 1 week till Chinese New Year. i hear they are going to celebrate by buying bitcoin all day
[2017-01-21 15:10:12] Farzad : I want to know how much BitMex is reliable ?
[2017-01-21 15:10:27] Farzad : Can I trust to put it in my 10 BTC ?
[2017-01-21 15:10:29] sleger : on a scale from bitfinex to polo ?
[2017-01-21 15:10:51] Farzad : I wish they were regulated
[2017-01-21 15:10:53] sleger : I have a few hundreds here so 10 should be fine
[2017-01-21 15:11:02] Farzad : really ? :D
[2017-01-21 15:11:12] Farzad : you are so rich then
[2017-01-21 15:11:21] sleger : its all relative
[2017-01-21 15:11:26] Farzad : yes it is
[2017-01-21 15:11:58] Nooby : lol i trade with 0.2 btc ... guys you make me dream lol
[2017-01-21 15:12:11] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 1000 @ 6420.6
[2017-01-21 15:12:53] Nooby : i earn less than 2.5Btc per month you can hire me for a lot of time guys lol
[2017-01-21 15:12:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 24 @ 917.81
[2017-01-21 15:13:32] Farzad : How often does Auto deleveraging happen ?
[2017-01-21 15:13:43] abbey : down we go, let's see how low
[2017-01-21 15:13:52] abbey : Farzad: rarely
[2017-01-21 15:13:55] Farzad : I am afraid I hedge a position and it auto deleverages
[2017-01-21 15:14:11] sleger : Farzad: it did happen to most people on the way down from 1.1k to 800
[2017-01-21 15:14:14] Farzad : making me exposed to market
[2017-01-21 15:14:28] sleger : i got half of my position ADL and could only reenter much lower
[2017-01-21 15:14:45] sleger : but DPE has the same impact anyways
[2017-01-21 15:14:51] FreeBitcoins : Hello
[2017-01-21 15:14:53] Farzad : Is there a way to make sure it doesnt happen ?
[2017-01-21 15:14:57] sleger : no
[2017-01-21 15:15:09] Farzad : even if you trade by 1:1 leverage ?
[2017-01-21 15:15:12] sleger : low leverage and losing money makes it less likely to happen
[2017-01-21 15:15:19] sleger : but there is still no guarantee
[2017-01-21 15:15:31] sleger : being short swap is more risky
[2017-01-21 15:15:43] sleger : as down moves are faster and therefore more likely to trigger ADL
[2017-01-21 15:16:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 8 @ 6391.0
[2017-01-21 15:16:07] Farzad : yes, it makes sense
[2017-01-21 15:16:09] thedoc : btc dumping
[2017-01-21 15:16:31] thedoc : i didnt close my long high and short
[2017-01-21 15:16:32] thedoc : nooo
[2017-01-21 15:17:46] sleger : thedoc: dont worry i heard chinese will buy all day during new year
[2017-01-21 15:18:04] Farzad : I dont think thats true :D
[2017-01-21 15:18:29] Farzad : I bought all my bitcoins 10$ eahc
[2017-01-21 15:18:34] Farzad : early days in bitcoin
[2017-01-21 15:18:44] Farzad : I even could buy them at $1
[2017-01-21 15:18:53] Farzad : I regret I didnt buy 1000. lol
[2017-01-21 15:25:40] BTCDJS : After reading just these few comments in the trollbox I learned something from sleger
[2017-01-21 15:25:47] BTCDJS : i mean shrek
[2017-01-21 15:27:35] charlyko : Farzad: you can buy now 1000 etc. is like btc in 2011
[2017-01-21 15:27:43] longbydefault : what is the lesson @BTCDJS
[2017-01-21 15:28:31] Farzad : charlyko: well I dont think it ever hits $1000 :(
[2017-01-21 15:29:02] charlyko : but yes in %return
[2017-01-21 15:30:27] BTCDJS : Not to think about making a quick buck. But to arm yourself with knowledge and experience where you can make a steady stream of money. And that its easy to make money when the price is rising so don't think you had any skill involved when you made money from 220$ to present.
[2017-01-21 15:31:27] BTCDJS : Don't get stuck on the little victories
[2017-01-21 15:31:28] thedoc : premium growing on xbth17 again. silly n00bs shorting a negative or 0 premium
[2017-01-21 15:31:42] charlyko : BTCDJS: not skill but vision! :)
[2017-01-21 15:32:04] BTCDJS : and don't get delusions of grandeur when you had a few little victories
[2017-01-21 15:33:12] BTCDJS : If you don't understand the system you are just gambling
[2017-01-21 15:33:38] BTCDJS : thats quite a lot for only a few sarcastic sentences
[2017-01-21 15:34:21] BTCDJS : so please noobs. Continue to challenge sleger
[2017-01-21 15:34:28] longbydefault : "its easy to make money when the price is rising" can the same be said when the price is going down?
[2017-01-21 15:34:35] BTCDJS : There's gold there
[2017-01-21 15:34:50] Farzad : longbydefault: if u know the trend absolutely
[2017-01-21 15:35:09] Farzad : bitcoin trend is usually bullish
[2017-01-21 15:35:12] longbydefault : then when is it not easy to make money? when it's chopping?
[2017-01-21 15:35:21] longbydefault : what do the experts do then?
[2017-01-21 15:35:44] Farzad : when u cant predict the market correctly
[2017-01-21 15:35:59] BTCDJS : longbydefault: it's not easy to make money. It's easier to lose money
[2017-01-21 15:36:14] longbydefault : what do the experts do then? im guessing they just stay away... when they can't predict
[2017-01-21 15:36:54] thailand : lend and let others lose their money
[2017-01-21 15:37:07] longbydefault : how do you lend? is it available in bitmex
[2017-01-21 15:38:07] BTCDJS : Experts are experts because of experience and perseverance to stay in the game intelligently and long enough to gain that experience. How long have you been in the game? Some people can't stay long enough to become experts
[2017-01-21 15:38:41] longbydefault : have been in bitmex for just around a week now
[2017-01-21 15:39:00] longbydefault : or 2
[2017-01-21 15:39:40] BTCDJS : longbydefault: so just make sure you manage risk so you're not game over before you learn anything
[2017-01-21 15:42:23] longbydefault : thanks... i learn a lot by reading this trollbox as well...
[2017-01-21 15:42:41] longbydefault : but need to discriminate between 'real' and 'wannabe' experts
[2017-01-21 15:46:06] BTCDJS : real experts don't care about what you think or don't care to impress you with what they know. The loud ones are the liars and wannabes. He who speaks doesn't know. He who knows doesn't speak. @longbydefault
[2017-01-21 15:47:52] charlyko : BTCDJS: +1
[2017-01-21 15:48:12] longbydefault : but does anyone 'really' know?
[2017-01-21 15:48:26] charlyko : sure they are
[2017-01-21 15:48:45] thedoc : i really know that btc is going to go up or down
[2017-01-21 15:49:01] longbydefault : that's for sure!
[2017-01-21 15:49:24] BTCDJS : longbydefault: the knowledge isn't in being able to predict the future but to know how use what's happening to your advantage
[2017-01-21 15:50:08] BTCDJS : And being able to lower the risk in case you're wrong
[2017-01-21 15:51:04] VenCap : good tip!
[2017-01-21 15:51:09] VenCap : Average down if you are long.
[2017-01-21 15:51:14] VenCap : Or avg up if you are short.
[2017-01-21 15:51:37] VenCap : EG: i go long at 920. It dumps to 918, i buy it. goes to 916 i buy it..
[2017-01-21 15:53:39] VenCap : and always good to go long after bit dumps EG: $1,100 to $700
[2017-01-21 15:53:45] VenCap : vice versa
[2017-01-21 15:54:18] bingbongfly : VenCap: EG: i go long at 920. It dumps to 918, i buy it. goes to 916 i buy it, it goes to 800, I get liquidated ;)
[2017-01-21 15:54:41] VenCap : hell yeah.
[2017-01-21 15:54:51] charlyko : XD
[2017-01-21 15:54:57] VenCap : but yeah, if it then falls hard... you need stop losses in palce so you dont have total wipeout
[2017-01-21 15:55:34] BTCDJS : Doesn't sound like a good trading plan to me
[2017-01-21 15:55:38] longbydefault : i buy at 600... it goes down to 200... i wait for 2 years and forget about bitoin... haha
[2017-01-21 15:56:34] VenCap : @BTCDJS what is your plan?
[2017-01-21 15:57:57] BTCDJS : Buy low, sell high
[2017-01-21 15:58:24] longbydefault : hey i have a question... if you profit from a trade... then you change the slider to a lower leverage... why doesn't the liq price change
[2017-01-21 15:58:43] longbydefault : in the display ('positions')
[2017-01-21 16:00:40] VenCap : is there a easy way to see your total profits here?
[2017-01-21 16:00:43] VenCap : like on poloniex
[2017-01-21 16:03:37] VenCap : or is it all worked out by hand?
[2017-01-21 16:06:14] VenCap : Can you see your P/L for set dates?
[2017-01-21 16:35:19] Kinda : btc bull again?
[2017-01-21 16:42:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 7 @ 6408.9
[2017-01-21 16:46:44] thedoc : xmr pumping
[2017-01-21 16:50:23] javierstone : come on bitches lets get it pumping
[2017-01-21 16:51:08] thedoc : btc struggling to go higher for 13 hours now
[2017-01-21 16:51:33] thedoc : 6350 cny doesnt hold then doom
[2017-01-21 16:57:32] VenCap : 6350 too close for comfort
[2017-01-21 16:59:21] BTCDJS : ETC
[2017-01-21 16:59:51] Tetsuo : FTW
[2017-01-21 17:03:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 100 @ 6357.3
[2017-01-21 17:03:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 500 @ 913.89
[2017-01-21 17:03:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5000 @ 913.45
[2017-01-21 17:03:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 10 @ 913.44
[2017-01-21 17:04:42] thedoc : bye bye btc. see you back on earth
[2017-01-21 17:07:42] Papou : lol
[2017-01-21 17:09:00] idol : how low...
[2017-01-21 17:09:25] BTCDJS : bitcoin went from 700s to 900s now back to 800s
[2017-01-21 17:09:57] thedoc : $900 lowest probably
[2017-01-21 17:10:20] BTCDJS : 820
[2017-01-21 17:10:43] idol : slow drop to 850 you think?
[2017-01-21 17:11:05] thedoc : 6300 cny on 0kcoin will probably bounce then 6250 cny. after that it's a big dump
[2017-01-21 17:11:36] BTCDJS : Not sure
[2017-01-21 17:12:29] BTCDJS : but I think until the trend is broken bitcoin is going to play out as it always does retracing 50%
[2017-01-21 17:14:54] Kinda : we went from 750 to 930 so stop would be 820?
[2017-01-21 17:15:22] BTCDJS : Kinda: use fibs. Im only guessing
[2017-01-21 17:15:35] koolio : ok
[2017-01-21 17:16:16] Kinda : my deep learning algo says 820
[2017-01-21 17:18:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 7 @ 6363.3
[2017-01-21 17:19:48] thailand : my technical analysis says we will be at many different prices soon
[2017-01-21 17:19:49] thailand : http://www.followingthetrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Technical-Analysis.jpg
[2017-01-21 17:20:08] idol : lol
[2017-01-21 17:20:31] NeoXx : simultaneously
[2017-01-21 17:20:48] thailand : indeed
[2017-01-21 17:20:56] NeoXx : quantum bitcon
[2017-01-21 17:21:03] NeoXx : *bitcoin
[2017-01-21 17:22:04] Kinda : I miss flash crashes
[2017-01-21 17:22:31] MikeHunt : cryptonews was bullish but now says failure to breakthrough = dump
[2017-01-21 17:23:05] Kinda : link @MikeHunt
[2017-01-21 17:24:45] thedoc : see how long china bots keep price up. always chop chop chop
[2017-01-21 17:25:37] MikeHunt : Kinda: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-may-be-stalling-here/
[2017-01-21 17:27:18] thedoc : as usual. if i didnt dump my long i could have just waited and closed now when the price was higher. never pays to panic most of the time
[2017-01-21 17:27:42] thedoc : price almost $4 higher from where I closed it just a few minutes ago. yay me
[2017-01-21 17:28:32] VenCap : rocket back on course
[2017-01-21 17:30:06] VenCap : 6400 incoming
[2017-01-21 17:32:05] MikeHunt : thedoc: fomo is always bad
[2017-01-21 17:38:51] Derreck : 6400 seems unstable
[2017-01-21 17:43:58] thedoc : MikeHunt: at least i didnt short the bottom. now i wait for my next entrance point
[2017-01-21 17:46:43] Kinda : thedoc: the bottom?
[2017-01-21 17:46:54] thedoc : 919 on xbth17
[2017-01-21 17:46:59] thedoc : bounced $5 already
[2017-01-21 17:48:18] MikeHunt : thedoc: yeh i did that on initial collapse from 1200, :/
[2017-01-21 17:54:35] thedoc : yeah. it's nice closing and reshorting with profit. unless you are reshorting and it's the bottom. then rekt
[2017-01-21 18:14:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: sell 5000 @ 0.001527
[2017-01-21 18:17:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: sell 2000 @ 0.001521
[2017-01-21 19:03:18] narnarfromnarnia : Derreck: we're going down
[2017-01-21 19:04:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 246 @ 0.012010
[2017-01-21 19:07:29] KyllingLolsson : how do i permanently delete the .xbt proceline at my chart???? It keeps returning what ever i doooo
[2017-01-21 19:07:35] KyllingLolsson : priceline
[2017-01-21 19:11:34] Noobz : not sure but isn't that under the + on the left top side of the chart? the option to remove it?
[2017-01-21 19:12:49] KyllingLolsson : no i select "delete" but if i refresh the page it returns
[2017-01-21 19:14:42] Noobz : weird
[2017-01-21 19:22:23] MikeHunt : KyllingLolsson: i got the same issue
[2017-01-21 19:50:42] Derreck : btc is up
[2017-01-21 19:56:55] thedoc : etc is up
[2017-01-21 20:09:13] MikeHunt : i hope it hovers around here for ages
[2017-01-21 20:09:20] MikeHunt : 0.15% every 8 hours ;)
[2017-01-21 20:10:17] rangle : youre selling swap?
[2017-01-21 20:10:42] MikeHunt : rangle: yeh, i think this thing is going to crash soon
[2017-01-21 20:11:33] Rado : "crash"
[2017-01-21 20:11:54] Rado : MikeHunt: very newbie like statements all the time
[2017-01-21 20:12:22] MikeHunt : Rado: this whole bull run has gone on the basis of china pumps
[2017-01-21 20:12:47] MikeHunt : Rado: china has lost lvrg trading, fees are going to be reintroduced and potentially more regulation in future
[2017-01-21 20:12:57] Rado : and the bear run was on china dump
[2017-01-21 20:12:58] Rado : so
[2017-01-21 20:13:24] Rado : China is just noice in the large picture
[2017-01-21 20:13:28] MikeHunt : Rado: the loss of lvrg trading and fees being introduced devalues bitcoin by ~35%
[2017-01-21 20:13:32] Rado : BTC is here to stay and will go up with time
[2017-01-21 20:13:36] yungyang : no it doesn't mike
[2017-01-21 20:13:39] yungyang : stop saying that
[2017-01-21 20:13:54] Rado : trading fees will push BTC higher
[2017-01-21 20:14:00] MikeHunt : we'll see
[2017-01-21 20:14:03] Rado : because China will not be able tio manipulate price anymore
[2017-01-21 20:14:18] MikeHunt : im bullish on bitcoin in general but i think at the moment we are overvalued based on recent events
[2017-01-21 20:14:37] Rado : that's a different statement
[2017-01-21 20:14:42] MikeHunt : china manipulated it upwards, without that, the price comes down
[2017-01-21 20:14:43] Rado : much bette
[2017-01-21 20:14:44] Rado : r