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[2017-01-14 23:25:12] TB : You manage the strategies by allocating money to each
[2017-01-14 23:25:38] TB : dodic: One side is a market maker
[2017-01-14 23:25:42] TB : The other is a taker
[2017-01-14 23:25:54] Tetsuo : when china shuts down all your money is gone pooooof
[2017-01-14 23:26:09] Apocalyptic : TB: what markets are you MMing between ?
[2017-01-14 23:26:20] nOgAnOo : possible downward correction here?
[2017-01-14 23:26:25] rapidtrades : yeah arbs work until u get buttfinexed or chynaed
[2017-01-14 23:26:28] nOgAnOo : can't go up forever. :)
[2017-01-14 23:26:30] Tetsuo : Gox and BTC-E
[2017-01-14 23:26:31] TB : exchanges or markets
[2017-01-14 23:26:42] Apocalyptic : TB: arbing sorry
[2017-01-14 23:26:47] Apocalyptic : excanges
[2017-01-14 23:26:49] jonny : nOgAnOo: are you short?
[2017-01-14 23:26:56] TB : Buttfinex and this one
[2017-01-14 23:26:57] nOgAnOo : at the moment yes
[2017-01-14 23:27:03] nOgAnOo : taking profit at 807
[2017-01-14 23:27:12] TB : But you can use any exchange that allows you to margin 2x
[2017-01-14 23:27:16] rapidtrades : WHAT COULD GO WRONG WITH THAT ONE?
[2017-01-14 23:27:21] Tetsuo : did anyone here lose money on Gox trying to catch the upcmoing great arb opportunity
[2017-01-14 23:27:29] TB : Tetsuo: yes
[2017-01-14 23:27:32] Apocalyptic : TB: you don't fear for your funds at buttfinex ?
[2017-01-14 23:27:39] Tetsuo : here´s your next chance
[2017-01-14 23:27:45] nOgAnOo : just just broke the trend
[2017-01-14 23:27:46] nOgAnOo : down we go
[2017-01-14 23:28:01] TB : Apocalyptic: There is risk, but they just got broken, I think they will have their guard up for a year or so
[2017-01-14 23:28:23] TB : Gives me time to find another option with good liquidity
[2017-01-14 23:28:47] Dtrade16 : TB: nice
[2017-01-14 23:28:47] TB : The only very annoying thing about BitMex is the ADL
[2017-01-14 23:29:03] Apocalyptic : oh yeah
[2017-01-14 23:29:04] TB : It unhinges one side of the hedge
[2017-01-14 23:29:14] Apocalyptic : we all love ADL here, especially rapid
[2017-01-14 23:29:48] nOgAnOo : I lost my house because of ADL
[2017-01-14 23:30:07] TB : Yeah but you get free leverage
[2017-01-14 23:30:16] TB : That is a huge plus
[2017-01-14 23:30:19] nOgAnOo : It was an imaginary house but it was nice.
[2017-01-14 23:30:27] Tetsuo : lol
[2017-01-14 23:30:41] TB : nOgAnOo: Alphabay, get some better weed
[2017-01-14 23:30:54] nOgAnOo : I will.. after a couple more good trades
[2017-01-14 23:30:59] nOgAnOo : I'm at 0.0524 now
[2017-01-14 23:31:05] ysl : going down again
[2017-01-14 23:31:08] nOgAnOo : need 165 USD
[2017-01-14 23:31:28] PatrickBitman : Hi guys
[2017-01-14 23:31:37] nOgAnOo : 0.054 now
[2017-01-14 23:31:42] nOgAnOo : good trades
[2017-01-14 23:32:42] BTCDJS : ysl: What is?
[2017-01-14 23:33:35] ysl : BTCDJS: i think the price is
[2017-01-14 23:33:45] BTCDJS : ysl: Bitcoin?
[2017-01-14 23:33:57] nOgAnOo : Just went long at 807
[2017-01-14 23:34:00] ysl : BTCDJS: btc price
[2017-01-14 23:34:04] nOgAnOo : hope this isn't the big dump
[2017-01-14 23:34:10] BTCDJS : Wait for a red candle lol
[2017-01-14 23:34:20] ayy_lmao : lol
[2017-01-14 23:35:02] aethlios : if we cross ema 200, will be hell in january movie.
[2017-01-14 23:35:14] MikeHunt : nOgAnOo: looks like it wont last 2 days then
[2017-01-14 23:35:20] Dtrade16 : TB: Do you use a risk arbitrage?
[2017-01-14 23:35:21] MikeHunt : let alone 2 weeks
[2017-01-14 23:35:27] PatrickBitman : lol what makes you think emas mean anything
[2017-01-14 23:35:59] MikeHunt : PatrickBitman: back in college EMA made the difference between a BLT sandwich and being a starvin marvin at college
[2017-01-14 23:36:17] PatrickBitman : Aren't BLTs like $3
[2017-01-14 23:36:30] MikeHunt : PatrickBitman: 3 english pounds
[2017-01-14 23:37:08] TB : Dtrade16: ??
[2017-01-14 23:37:53] Dtrade16 : TB: There are several arb strategies, right?
[2017-01-14 23:38:49] TB : Dtrade16: Arbitrage is buying an asset on one exchange and selling it elsewhere higher, there is only one definition
[2017-01-14 23:39:09] TB : Bitcoin is competely transferable, you only have network cloggage
[2017-01-14 23:39:15] nOgAnOo : Liquidation price 777
[2017-01-14 23:39:15] MikeHunt : that might be harder since ChEna stopped leverage thing so less prem?
[2017-01-14 23:39:29] TB : I own some btc so I use the collateral to perform the other leg immediately
[2017-01-14 23:39:31] nOgAnOo : 20x leverage 1000 contracts
[2017-01-14 23:40:14] TB : You can leverage of course to enhance returns, but it increases your probability of ruin
[2017-01-14 23:40:31] TB : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruin_theory
[2017-01-14 23:41:03] nOgAnOo : I just market closed my long at same price I bought
[2017-01-14 23:41:12] nOgAnOo : got scared from new low
[2017-01-14 23:41:33] nOgAnOo : I'm real jumpy after losing 400 dollars
[2017-01-14 23:41:41] MikeHunt : it failed to correct so it cant continue the pump imo
[2017-01-14 23:41:45] birdie numn : nOgAnOo: thats right. lets go short together
[2017-01-14 23:41:45] Dtrade16 : TB: Yes sorry I was talking about something else
[2017-01-14 23:41:54] nOgAnOo : let's short bitcoin to hell
[2017-01-14 23:42:05] Dtrade16 : TB: Risk arb is like longing btc and shorting eth or alts
[2017-01-14 23:42:07] Dtrade16 : I think
[2017-01-14 23:42:16] MikeHunt : had the greedy cunts let it correct earlier we could have gone to 6k
[2017-01-14 23:42:23] TB : Dtrade16: Ok the correlation thing
[2017-01-14 23:43:05] TB : I don't like it, because the correlation varies based on market volatility
[2017-01-14 23:43:10] TB : Sometimes it lags
[2017-01-14 23:43:13] BTCDJS : Closing long going to sleep
[2017-01-14 23:43:24] BTCDJS : See what tomorrow brings
[2017-01-14 23:43:28] nOgAnOo : JUST GOT SOME NEW WEED
[2017-01-14 23:43:35] Dtrade16 : TB: Yes because less opportunity for riskless arb
[2017-01-14 23:43:35] nOgAnOo : "crystale"
[2017-01-14 23:43:43] Dtrade16 : TB: For someone not running a bot
[2017-01-14 23:43:43] nOgAnOo : top 10 for sure
[2017-01-14 23:43:48] Dtrade16 : TB: Know what I mean?
[2017-01-14 23:44:13] TB : Dtrade16: Yeah, I have looked at it before, but above my risk tolerance
[2017-01-14 23:44:18] Dtrade16 : TB: True
[2017-01-14 23:45:49] Dtrade16 : TB: Well if you're running a bot the common strategy makes more sense
[2017-01-14 23:46:06] TB : It is more patient than I, yes
[2017-01-14 23:46:22] Dtrade16 : TB: Are there a lot of opportunities?
[2017-01-14 23:47:48] TB : Dtrade16: No, it makes 40% p.a. but it does not lose money
[2017-01-14 23:49:11] Dtrade16 : TB: What do you mean?
[2017-01-14 23:49:55] jonny : +40% per year/anno
[2017-01-14 23:50:28] TB : per annum
[2017-01-14 23:50:31] TB : per year
[2017-01-14 23:50:37] Apocalyptic : that's great
[2017-01-14 23:51:04] TB : It's ok, I wish I had more capital
[2017-01-14 23:52:03] jonny : but profit percentage would decrease
[2017-01-14 23:52:26] TB : jonny: Sligtly, it does not trade a lot
[2017-01-14 23:52:27] Dtrade16 : TB: @jonny got it
[2017-01-14 23:53:50] TB : jonny: Also I cant pick up all the opportunities
[2017-01-14 23:54:04] TB : Once it hits max capital cap it stops until it realises the profit
[2017-01-14 23:55:30] aethlios : nice bounce to short
[2017-01-14 23:56:44] thedoc : yeah
[2017-01-14 23:56:51] thedoc : someone unloading a shit ton of btc in china
[2017-01-14 23:57:01] thedoc : must not know any buyers off exchanges that buy in bulk
[2017-01-14 23:58:06] jonny : TB: how little capital?
[2017-01-14 23:58:22] TB : 1 bitcoin
[2017-01-14 23:58:30] jonny : since when is it running?
[2017-01-14 23:58:41] TB : past 3 months
[2017-01-14 23:59:12] jonny : then i'd buy a copy too (and/or return feedback or enhancements)
[2017-01-15 00:00:01] TB : I'll set up a webserver on my rpi and run a threaded instance for you guys, but I'll take max 2 peeps
[2017-01-15 00:00:32] Dtrade16 : TB: I got first dibs :P
[2017-01-15 00:00:45] Dtrade16 : Me and jonny
[2017-01-15 00:01:01] TB : Cool, gonna sign off. Night guys
[2017-01-15 00:01:07] TB : and good luck trading
[2017-01-15 00:01:34] MikeHunt : TB: gn
[2017-01-15 00:01:48] jonny : yes im second in 2:)
[2017-01-15 00:01:50] jonny : take care
[2017-01-15 00:01:58] Dtrade16 : TB: later bro
[2017-01-15 00:04:18] nOgAnOo : I closed out at a loss that time
[2017-01-15 00:04:24] nOgAnOo : I'm tired.. that is a sign to stop trading
[2017-01-15 00:04:30] nOgAnOo : up 250% today
[2017-01-15 00:04:38] nOgAnOo : Good night all.
[2017-01-15 00:04:47] sleger : wow now you close at a loss before rekt knocks at your door !
[2017-01-15 00:04:51] birdie numn : good night
[2017-01-15 00:06:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 900 @ 5623.0
[2017-01-15 00:07:45] aethlios : china manipulators squeezing shorts
[2017-01-15 00:09:53] MrRGnome : These dips are sad and pathetic
[2017-01-15 00:10:02] MrRGnome : We need to dip now while we still can to get them cheap coins
[2017-01-15 00:10:37] jonny : MrRGnome: but im long 1000x and i deserve it
[2017-01-15 00:10:54] sleger : 1000x ? where ?
[2017-01-15 00:10:57] jonny : in mind
[2017-01-15 00:11:21] aethlios : how they make money reversing 100%???
[2017-01-15 00:13:20] sleger : scare people buy at discount, thanks for cheap coins shurters
[2017-01-15 00:17:11] nOgAnOo : i just took a small short
[2017-01-15 00:17:24] nOgAnOo : heading out to fix a computer now
[2017-01-15 00:22:15] jonny : nOgAnOo: set a stop loss?
[2017-01-15 00:25:13] thedoc : it's called a margin call
[2017-01-15 00:27:25] jonny : you mean liquidation?
[2017-01-15 00:28:01] jonny : are you affiliated to the bitmex insurance balance?;)
[2017-01-15 00:35:10] RoftheN : Nogano didn't you lose all your money like 4 times already, how come you still have money
[2017-01-15 00:36:21] ayy_lmao : steemit
[2017-01-15 00:36:23] MrRGnome : RoftheN: He keeps depositing more
[2017-01-15 00:36:35] RoftheN : Oh okay
[2017-01-15 00:56:25] shiroe : sideways before the drop. @_@
[2017-01-15 01:21:34] thedoc : maybe some buyers will show up
[2017-01-15 01:21:43] thedoc : i hear $820 bitcoins are in high demand
[2017-01-15 01:25:01] MikeHunt : i get the feeling we arent going down
[2017-01-15 01:25:06] MikeHunt : even though this is overbought
[2017-01-15 01:25:16] MikeHunt : or it could be a trick
[2017-01-15 01:36:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 47 @ 810.73
[2017-01-15 01:36:46] thedoc : someone trying to pump price above 5620 cny but someone isnt letting them
[2017-01-15 01:38:07] thedoc : xmr dumping
[2017-01-15 01:42:26] thedoc : damn
[2017-01-15 01:42:37] thedoc : didnt close my long and short the top
[2017-01-15 01:42:48] thedoc : please pump $7 again
[2017-01-15 01:42:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 80 @ 0.013097
[2017-01-15 01:43:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 2 @ 0.012941
[2017-01-15 01:44:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 50 @ 0.012936
[2017-01-15 01:45:46] nOgAnOo : sold too early!
[2017-01-15 01:46:02] nOgAnOo : still at 0.05
[2017-01-15 01:48:56] WarWarBanana : good time to buy
[2017-01-15 01:50:04] MikeHunt : WarWarBanana: before it flops?
[2017-01-15 01:50:25] Rado2 : nOgAnOo: I wish 0.1 for you today
[2017-01-15 01:50:32] WarWarBanana : MikeHunt: to save my ass
[2017-01-15 01:50:33] WarWarBanana : :D
[2017-01-15 01:50:44] MikeHunt : WarWarBanana: what's your current position?
[2017-01-15 01:51:23] WarWarBanana : MikeHunt: been x25 long the last two days. entry at 127
[2017-01-15 01:51:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: sell 17987 @ 0.00000831
[2017-01-15 02:06:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: sell 190 @ 0.001456
[2017-01-15 02:23:35] ayy_lmao : alts going to hell i see
[2017-01-15 02:23:36] ayy_lmao : lol
[2017-01-15 02:25:39] jonny : only those for gamblers
[2017-01-15 02:28:21] ayy_lmao : yah just checked polo
[2017-01-15 02:28:25] ayy_lmao : barely even moving
[2017-01-15 02:38:36] nOgAnOo : I love you
[2017-01-15 02:38:47] nOgAnOo : You are very special
[2017-01-15 02:39:52] nOgAnOo : I think I'm done for the day
[2017-01-15 02:40:01] nOgAnOo : G'night all
[2017-01-15 02:40:25] Papou : If alts ain't pumping that means BTC is expected to pump
[2017-01-15 02:40:41] Papou : I think we rally to 888 USD
[2017-01-15 02:40:47] Papou : start approaching 1k
[2017-01-15 02:40:59] Papou : get your longs in cheap.
[2017-01-15 02:54:53] MikeHunt : looks well past its sell by date but still chucking...
[2017-01-15 02:54:57] MikeHunt : chugging
[2017-01-15 02:54:58] MikeHunt : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIfzyYT1Oho
[2017-01-15 02:56:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRP7D`: buy 100 @ 0.00000849
[2017-01-15 03:06:37] ayy_lmao : boring
[2017-01-15 03:08:02] Papou : Very
[2017-01-15 03:08:16] Papou : all of Sunday probably will be boring too
[2017-01-15 03:34:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 10000 @ 5572.9
[2017-01-15 03:37:18] Rado : sup pumks
[2017-01-15 03:51:18] ayy_lmao : biuncing
[2017-01-15 03:55:20] Rado : would love it to go a bit more
[2017-01-15 03:55:31] Rado : have sell orders at 820, 850 and 880
[2017-01-15 03:55:54] ayy_lmao : anything but sideways pls
[2017-01-15 04:11:20] Rado : going to be a slow climb until Monday
[2017-01-15 04:11:33] Rado : need to break 840
[2017-01-15 04:12:56] ayy_lmao : nice funding rate
[2017-01-15 04:34:43] nOgAnOo : HI
[2017-01-15 04:34:48] nOgAnOo : ANYONE AWAKE
[2017-01-15 04:36:41] jonny : nOgAnOo: hi
[2017-01-15 04:47:51] amirmass : time to take a X100 long
[2017-01-15 04:47:52] amirmass : i guess
[2017-01-15 04:49:51] jonny : amirmass: x10000
[2017-01-15 04:51:08] ayy_lmao : meh
[2017-01-15 04:53:43] ayy_lmao : rejected 5600
[2017-01-15 04:54:02] ayy_lmao : thought it was going to break tbh
[2017-01-15 04:57:09] Rado : meh is right
[2017-01-15 04:59:22] Rado : GDAX, itBit, Gemini and Kraken all over $820
[2017-01-15 05:01:01] nOgAnOo : Reveal your positions
[2017-01-15 05:03:24] micmix : nOgAnOo: -500k ;-)
[2017-01-15 05:03:51] nOgAnOo : you are down 500,000 dollars?
[2017-01-15 05:04:14] arbitrage101 : micmix: is this a hedge?
[2017-01-15 05:04:29] Rado : micmix: updated my bot to have dynamic spread and relist interval
[2017-01-15 05:04:36] Rado : finally ;-)
[2017-01-15 05:05:55] Rado : micmix: is your relist interval always the same as the spread?
[2017-01-15 05:06:19] micmix : 500k is not accurate of course but I hedged 80% of my coins, largest % I ever had
[2017-01-15 05:07:44] micmix : Rado: nice, dynamic spread helps
[2017-01-15 05:07:59] Rado : micmix: hedging sometimes might turn against you though
[2017-01-15 05:08:01] Rado : no?
[2017-01-15 05:09:11] Rado2 : do you hedge with futures only?
[2017-01-15 05:09:45] micmix : Rado: what do you mean by relist interval?
[2017-01-15 05:09:58] Rado : when to change your orders
[2017-01-15 05:10:07] Rado : after a certain change in price
[2017-01-15 05:10:21] Rado : if you change them to fast they do not get filled
[2017-01-15 05:10:38] micmix : ah ok, I don't have a predefined interval, only min order rest time
[2017-01-15 05:11:09] Rado : rest time like in seconds/minutes?
[2017-01-15 05:11:25] Rado : and if the time is over you recalculate
[2017-01-15 05:12:07] micmix : it's the min time the order has to be on the book until I can amend/cancel it
[2017-01-15 05:12:19] Rado : right
[2017-01-15 05:12:49] Rado : similar concept, but different
[2017-01-15 05:13:11] micmix : orders deeper in the book can rest longer, orders on top are amended faster
[2017-01-15 05:13:23] Rado : yep
[2017-01-15 05:13:48] Rado : but is it possible that you have the best ask and you change your order because the new calculation has a new price?
[2017-01-15 05:14:02] micmix : my algos are event-driven, so there is no loop with a predefined interval
[2017-01-15 05:14:24] micmix : yes, of course
[2017-01-15 05:14:56] Rado : how do you check the current price?
[2017-01-15 05:15:02] Rado : on what type of event
[2017-01-15 05:15:18] Rado : trades?
[2017-01-15 05:15:58] micmix : there is no such thing as "current price". there is a last trade price, best bid/ask price, mid price, index price, mark price etc.
[2017-01-15 05:16:21] Rado : right
[2017-01-15 05:16:37] Rado : so how do you know there was a trade?
[2017-01-15 05:17:09] Rado : if you are not checking regularly
[2017-01-15 05:17:29] micmix : trades and orderbook data come from ws stream
[2017-01-15 05:17:47] Rado : of course
[2017-01-15 05:17:48] Rado : duh
[2017-01-15 05:17:59] proofOfTwerk : i'm getting an error saying orderBook not subscribed
[2017-01-15 05:18:04] proofOfTwerk : where do i subscribe?
[2017-01-15 05:18:08] Rado : so on a change of the last price you can invoke an action
[2017-01-15 05:18:47] Rado : proofOfTwerk: to the order book channel?
[2017-01-15 05:20:14] micmix : I recalculate what's needed (update the model) on any change in data, and might amend/cancel the orders depending on the results of the calculations
[2017-01-15 05:20:47] Rado : yes, that is the best
[2017-01-15 05:21:03] arbitrage101 : event driven also run on loop
[2017-01-15 05:21:03] Rado : I might get there some day :-)
[2017-01-15 05:21:17] Rado : arbitrage101: nope
[2017-01-15 05:21:25] arbitrage101 : everything is inherently interval driven
[2017-01-15 05:21:56] Rado : arbitrage101: I booked my place for Kuala Lumpur
[2017-01-15 05:22:08] Rado : next to the petronas towers
[2017-01-15 05:22:09] arbitrage101 : Rado: any plan here?
[2017-01-15 05:22:22] Rado : I will be there March 5 - 12
[2017-01-15 05:22:31] arbitrage101 : our country trying to sell the tower to china
[2017-01-15 05:22:48] Rado : shoot them when they come to buy it
[2017-01-15 05:22:49] Rado : ;-)
[2017-01-15 05:22:58] arbitrage101 : losing money tower
[2017-01-15 05:23:03] arbitrage101 : not sure why anyone would buy
[2017-01-15 05:23:23] Rado : where should I go when there?
[2017-01-15 05:23:32] arbitrage101 : maybe they can get money taking off the the owner's hand lol
[2017-01-15 05:23:40] Rado : anything must see?
[2017-01-15 05:23:50] arbitrage101 : Rado: not sure
[2017-01-15 05:24:01] arbitrage101 : obviously, avoid shopping mall
[2017-01-15 05:24:12] arbitrage101 : beach, mountain
[2017-01-15 05:24:16] Rado : we hate shopping
[2017-01-15 05:24:21] arbitrage101 : genting highland
[2017-01-15 05:24:28] arbitrage101 : camelon highland
[2017-01-15 05:24:31] arbitrage101 : penang, lankawi
[2017-01-15 05:24:42] Rado : cool
[2017-01-15 05:25:05] Rado : we were thinking one of penang or lankawi
[2017-01-15 05:25:10] Rado : which one would be better?
[2017-01-15 05:25:18] arbitrage101 : both are near by
[2017-01-15 05:25:24] arbitrage101 : should visit both
[2017-01-15 05:25:44] Rado : ok
[2017-01-15 05:25:59] Rado : what is camelon highland?
[2017-01-15 05:26:37] arbitrage101 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Highlands_District
[2017-01-15 05:26:42] arbitrage101 : this is a little off course
[2017-01-15 05:26:57] arbitrage101 : need a day extra just to visit it
[2017-01-15 05:27:23] Rado : my wife said she knows about it
[2017-01-15 05:27:28] Rado : thanks
[2017-01-15 05:27:43] arbitrage101 : your wife is westerner or asian?
[2017-01-15 05:28:05] Rado : Eastern Europe
[2017-01-15 05:28:06] Rado : :-)
[2017-01-15 05:28:12] arbitrage101 : not that suprise
[2017-01-15 05:28:29] Rado : are you close to city center?
[2017-01-15 05:28:33] arbitrage101 : marriage rarely last for western girl
[2017-01-15 05:28:43] Rado : should meet for beer or coffee
[2017-01-15 05:28:51] arbitrage101 : 30 mins drive to city center
[2017-01-15 05:28:56] arbitrage101 : but i rarely go there
[2017-01-15 05:29:10] arbitrage101 : food is westernized
[2017-01-15 05:29:16] arbitrage101 : local dont eat
[2017-01-15 05:29:17] Rado : ha ha
[2017-01-15 05:29:34] Rado : where is the best food?
[2017-01-15 05:29:57] arbitrage101 : have to eat like local
[2017-01-15 05:30:11] Rado : we both love Malaysian food
[2017-01-15 05:30:12] arbitrage101 : outskirt, not city center
[2017-01-15 05:30:23] arbitrage101 : there is a reason malaysian are fat
[2017-01-15 05:31:27] micmix : Rado: be careful with Malaysian food >Catalan (Radó): nickname for a fat person, variant of Rodó, from a derivative of Latin rotundus 'round'
[2017-01-15 05:31:50] Rado : he he
[2017-01-15 05:31:52] Rado : nice one micmix
[2017-01-15 05:35:33] Rado : http://bitcoincity.info/
[2017-01-15 05:42:42] Rado : micmix: there is no real time volatility index
[2017-01-15 05:42:52] Rado : I am thinking of creating one for XBTUSD
[2017-01-15 05:45:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 10000 @ 5541.4
[2017-01-15 05:46:19] lockhedge : Rado: real-time volatility index is a mission impossible, you can measure 10 seconds volatility or something like that
[2017-01-15 05:46:38] Rado : that will do
[2017-01-15 05:47:06] Rado : even if it's 30 sec
[2017-01-15 05:47:12] Rado : much better than every 5 min
[2017-01-15 05:47:58] micmix : Rado: volatility measurements is actually a big topic in statistics, it's not trivial
[2017-01-15 05:48:49] Rado : do you know how is VIX calculated?
[2017-01-15 05:49:02] Apocalyptic : micmix: do you use advanced stats in your MM decision model ?
[2017-01-15 05:49:04] Rado : we basically need VIX for BTC
[2017-01-15 05:51:20] micmix : I use stats, and advanced
[2017-01-15 05:51:31] micmix : means different things to different people
[2017-01-15 05:51:38] Rado : lockhedge: @micmix
[2017-01-15 05:52:00] Rado : how many days of consistent running until I up my size?
[2017-01-15 05:54:57] lockhedge : Rado: i wouldn't increase my risk level in the current market environment. so if you aren't sure, better not yet
[2017-01-15 05:55:21] micmix : who knows, I do backtesting on periods with different volatility and trends
[2017-01-15 05:55:22] BitMEX_Wally : Rado: If you look at our API you can subscribe to `.BVOL10M` which updates every minute
[2017-01-15 05:55:42] Rado : ha
[2017-01-15 05:55:48] Rado : was this listed BitMEX_Wally?
[2017-01-15 05:55:55] micmix : agree with lockhedge, now it's not the time
[2017-01-15 05:56:03] Rado : I am using .BVOL24H
[2017-01-15 05:56:15] Rado : micmix: @lockhedge thanks
[2017-01-15 05:56:29] BitMEX_Wally : `.BVOL24H` is daily vol calculated over 24 hours, published every 5 minutes
[2017-01-15 05:56:36] Rado : I am running just with 100 contracts because I had a lot of code to finish
[2017-01-15 05:56:46] BitMEX_Wally : `.BVOL10M` is 10 minute vol calculated over 10 minutes, published every minute
[2017-01-15 05:56:47] Rado : now done and might go back up to my 500
[2017-01-15 05:57:08] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: Thanks, I will switch to that
[2017-01-15 05:57:17] micmix : Afaik .BVOL10M uses only 10 samples (1 every minute), please correct me if I wrong @BitMEX_Wally
[2017-01-15 05:57:30] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: Correct
[2017-01-15 05:57:56] BitMEX_Wally : `.BVOL10M` is unofficially pushed out because one of our market makers asked for it
[2017-01-15 05:58:00] Rado2 : micmix: but .BVOL24H is every 10 in
[2017-01-15 05:58:13] nOgAnOo : Good morning Wally
[2017-01-15 05:58:18] BitMEX_Wally : `.BVOL24H` is every 5 minutes based on 5 minute samples
[2017-01-15 05:58:44] micmix : 10 samples for 10 minutes is just not enough imho. I would strongly recommend using your own volatility calculations based on realtime trade data
[2017-01-15 05:58:52] BitMEX_Wally : `.BVOL10M` is a 10 minute vol, `.BVOL30M` is a 30 minute vol but expressed in units of 10 minute vol
[2017-01-15 05:59:08] BitMEX_Wally : `.BVOL1H` is 60 minute vol expressed in units of 10 minute vol
[2017-01-15 06:00:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 10 @ 808.35
[2017-01-15 06:00:40] ayy_lmao : finally
[2017-01-15 06:00:44] shiroe : damn 6/4/2/1hr chart going down.
[2017-01-15 06:00:53] ayy_lmao : fucck that slow grind
[2017-01-15 06:01:04] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: I agree
[2017-01-15 06:01:11] ayy_lmao : lets go
[2017-01-15 06:01:34] nOgAnOo : hmm
[2017-01-15 06:01:36] nOgAnOo : I missed the ride
[2017-01-15 06:04:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 400 @ 805.49
[2017-01-15 06:05:44] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: BTW, I noticed that instruments are re-listed every two hours now. Are you doing it for performance reasons? Just curious...
[2017-01-15 06:06:23] Rado : micmix: you said it's hard to create a real time index, but I can do my own calculation easy?
[2017-01-15 06:07:42] j8 : VIX is implied volatility calculated from options markets. since we don't have options the best you can do is short term historical volatility
[2017-01-15 06:08:19] j8 : which is why it can't be instantaneous
[2017-01-15 06:09:56] micmix : Rado: public index or internal calculation doesn't matter, I was just saying that measuring volatility is a big topic. As @j8 said, any volatility index will have lag. Ideally you would want to detect when volatility regime changes, it's even more important
[2017-01-15 06:10:56] Rado2 : micmix: change is important, but I also want to use it to set my spread or back off when it increases
[2017-01-15 06:11:38] Rado2 : j8: if you record the last N last prices you can do realtime calculation
[2017-01-15 06:12:16] j8 : yeah you can update your index as often as you want, but it still lags
[2017-01-15 06:12:59] j8 : that's not really a problem but it's something to be aware of
[2017-01-15 06:13:12] Rado : yes
[2017-01-15 06:16:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 7000 @ 805.24
[2017-01-15 06:16:41] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: Yes we dropped the session interval down from 8 hours to 2 hours which helps some of our archive processes. It should have no impact on trading
[2017-01-15 06:16:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 25 @ 803.42
[2017-01-15 06:16:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 15350 @ 803.93
[2017-01-15 06:20:17] KingTuna : Is there anyway to login quickly from your smart phone to Bitmex? When I'm watching the market and I see an opportunity, I have to login pretty quick, and sometimes it's takes too long with entering details/google authenticator, email address and password
[2017-01-15 06:20:38] KingTuna : I like to trade not he go sometimes, can be fiddly from a phone
[2017-01-15 06:20:43] KingTuna : the*
[2017-01-15 06:20:54] ayy_lmao : you can change session duration in settings
[2017-01-15 06:21:07] KingTuna : ayy_lmao: Ok thanks that could be a start
[2017-01-15 06:21:28] ayy_lmao : i think its "Safe Session Duration"
[2017-01-15 06:21:46] BitMEX_Wally : KingTuna: You can also turn off Strict IP pinning, because mobile phones change their IP address a lot on mobile networks
[2017-01-15 06:21:48] ayy_lmao : just read what it does b4 tho
[2017-01-15 06:22:16] BitMEX_Wally : The other option is to enable Clef as 2FA, then you do not need to enter a password or email address, etc
[2017-01-15 06:22:37] KingTuna : BitMEX_Wally: Sounds the best option. Is that an app I need to download?
[2017-01-15 06:23:03] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: thanks, that's what I thought. 2 hour session is not a problem, just have to take that into account when comparing historical session data
[2017-01-15 06:43:52] Apocalyptic : @micmix: by advanced I meant something like math college grad level
[2017-01-15 06:44:50] micmix : Apocalyptic: Well it's advanced I guess ;-)
[2017-01-15 06:47:03] Apocalyptic : in before we learn that micmix write bots for GS or Citadel for a living :)
[2017-01-15 06:56:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 7 @ 808.72
[2017-01-15 07:41:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 20 @ 0.012210
[2017-01-15 07:45:05] KyllingLolsson : dooooown
[2017-01-15 07:45:54] ayy_lmao : lowest volume dump ever
[2017-01-15 07:46:36] Dtrade16 : Good time to long?
[2017-01-15 07:47:07] MikeHunt : im holding position
[2017-01-15 07:47:11] MikeHunt : we are under MA200
[2017-01-15 07:47:20] MikeHunt : dumps so far have been crap
[2017-01-15 07:47:34] KyllingLolsson : patience...
[2017-01-15 07:47:45] KyllingLolsson : not time to long anyhow
[2017-01-15 07:48:07] MikeHunt : KyllingLolsson: u shorting?
[2017-01-15 07:48:31] KyllingLolsson : yep, since 824
[2017-01-15 07:48:38] KyllingLolsson : on march 31
[2017-01-15 07:48:59] Dtrade16 : So you guys are all short?
[2017-01-15 07:49:08] KingTuna : Im 5'6 yes
[2017-01-15 07:49:10] MikeHunt : shorted some of it but just waiting atm
[2017-01-15 07:49:24] Dtrade16 : KingTuna: Nice lol
[2017-01-15 07:49:26] ayy_lmao : lol
[2017-01-15 07:49:37] KingTuna : This has to go below $800 again..
[2017-01-15 07:49:52] KyllingLolsson : MikeHunt: My stop limit is 778
[2017-01-15 07:50:14] ayy_lmao : this sideways dumping so annoying
[2017-01-15 07:50:36] ayy_lmao : dump retrace dump retrace ...
[2017-01-15 07:51:13] MikeHunt : btcc said that no leverage will probably mean lower btc prices
[2017-01-15 07:51:16] MikeHunt : but less volatility
[2017-01-15 07:51:29] Dtrade16 : We're trending down on the 1 day?
[2017-01-15 07:51:33] ayy_lmao : lol
[2017-01-15 07:52:19] Dtrade16 : Or not yet?
[2017-01-15 07:52:53] MikeHunt : in nearly 12 hours we'll be back where we started
[2017-01-15 07:54:03] ayy_lmao : prob
[2017-01-15 07:55:04] MikeHunt : nearly 2 hours back where we started in past 12 hrs *
[2017-01-15 07:57:14] KyllingLolsson : can't we just force it to dump
[2017-01-15 07:58:14] MikeHunt : apparently we may see gradual decline to the mean
[2017-01-15 07:58:18] MikeHunt : pre-china fake volume
[2017-01-15 07:58:24] MikeHunt : ~560
[2017-01-15 07:58:45] MikeHunt : maybe less
[2017-01-15 08:00:52] KyllingLolsson : i think 700 is pretty good goal, about where the 200 ema is on the daily chart
[2017-01-15 08:01:24] KyllingLolsson : maybe 630 if it just flash-dumps
[2017-01-15 08:01:37] KyllingLolsson : then key reversal day
[2017-01-15 08:03:33] Apocalyptic : looks like a fake pump
[2017-01-15 08:07:04] KyllingLolsson : yeah, really weak pump... bulls in denial
[2017-01-15 08:07:26] MikeHunt : weak dumps as well thou
[2017-01-15 08:07:27] MikeHunt : hmm
[2017-01-15 08:07:56] KyllingLolsson : yeah, but the real dump will come...
[2017-01-15 08:08:08] Dtrade16 : KyllingLolsson: What makes you say that?
[2017-01-15 08:09:08] KyllingLolsson : we're uynder the 100 ema on the daily chart... it didn't make it trough about six hours ago... But how far we will dump i don't know.
[2017-01-15 08:09:46] KyllingLolsson : or rather,, yesterday didnt make it trough
[2017-01-15 08:10:15] Dtrade16 : true
[2017-01-15 08:16:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 10000 @ 5489.4
[2017-01-15 08:16:48] MikeHunt : lot of volume on okc trying to keep this up
[2017-01-15 08:18:14] KingTuna : fucking die already LOL
[2017-01-15 08:20:54] Dtrade16 : What do you guys think of ZEC?
[2017-01-15 08:21:00] Dtrade16 : Everyone shorting that?
[2017-01-15 08:21:14] MikeHunt : Dtrade16: zionistcash?
[2017-01-15 08:21:22] Dtrade16 : MikeHunt: Lol yah
[2017-01-15 08:22:23] MikeHunt : im looking at this btc triangle and its so going to go up just to spite me if i short it
[2017-01-15 08:23:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 134 @ 5524.9
[2017-01-15 08:23:12] MikeHunt : and up we go ....
[2017-01-15 08:26:04] BTCDJS : http://m.leiphone.com/news/201701/7loltM5uyvBjNBt2.html?viewType=weixin&from=timeline&isappinstalled=0 …
[2017-01-15 08:28:29] Dtrade16 : ??
[2017-01-15 08:28:35] BTCDJS : Things looking good Regarding PBoC
[2017-01-15 08:29:51] BTCDJS : Dtrade16:https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/820545488197861376
[2017-01-15 08:30:14] MikeHunt : cnLedger on twitter is good for info
[2017-01-15 08:30:20] MikeHunt : straight from china about btc
[2017-01-15 08:30:24] MikeHunt : o right
[2017-01-15 08:30:28] MikeHunt : u just posted link to it
[2017-01-15 08:30:36] KyllingLolsson : if it breaks 822 im out
[2017-01-15 08:31:04] KyllingLolsson : no i meant 813
[2017-01-15 08:31:11] MikeHunt : KyllingLolsson: there is a bigger triangle that if it breaks upwards out of would signify big bullish flag imo
[2017-01-15 08:31:35] KyllingLolsson : MikeHunt: agree
[2017-01-15 08:31:55] KyllingLolsson : im still + 60% ^^
[2017-01-15 08:34:01] MikeHunt : nice
[2017-01-15 08:36:01] KyllingLolsson : done some day/intra day trading, but lost heck a lot of cash, swing is the way to o for me
[2017-01-15 08:37:56] BTCDJS : If we go above the 200 EMA Im going to FOMO long My whole account ballance
[2017-01-15 08:38:04] MikeHunt : yeh, especially when its choppy, i lost a lot there
[2017-01-15 08:38:10] MikeHunt : BTCDJS: +1
[2017-01-15 08:38:36] KyllingLolsson : never go higher then 25x... in fact i regard 25x as high risk
[2017-01-15 08:39:06] MikeHunt : ive done 50x before
[2017-01-15 08:39:09] MikeHunt : but well timed/placed
[2017-01-15 08:39:37] KyllingLolsson : yeah, i dont have the time for that atm... but timing is imperative
[2017-01-15 08:40:03] MikeHunt : do you find yourself stuck at the screen all day watching charts?
[2017-01-15 08:40:38] KyllingLolsson : i used to! But that was only destructive for me.
[2017-01-15 08:40:46] MikeHunt : how did you get out of it?
[2017-01-15 08:41:26] BTCDJS : Only if price hasnt moved away from my entry. If price moves I set a stop loss and just check in every now and again. The further it goes the more calm I feel
[2017-01-15 08:42:17] KyllingLolsson : MikeHunt: Hm... Hart do say one thing, but i had the realisation that i always do bad desicions when nervvous or anxious, i can only do this when calm and confident in decitions
[2017-01-15 08:42:17] MikeHunt : i suppose it doesnt help that im trying to win back losses so that jsut adds anxiety
[2017-01-15 08:42:20] BTCDJS : MikeHunt: Aletys
[2017-01-15 08:42:30] BTCDJS : alerts
[2017-01-15 08:42:32] KyllingLolsson : exactly
[2017-01-15 08:43:07] KyllingLolsson : never try to win it back, thats how i lost...
[2017-01-15 08:43:27] KyllingLolsson : instead, take a break for some days, and do it calmly
[2017-01-15 08:43:41] MikeHunt : i tried that initially and got burned
[2017-01-15 08:43:46] MikeHunt : so im doing it properly now
[2017-01-15 08:43:51] MikeHunt : but still a bit anxious
[2017-01-15 08:43:55] MikeHunt : the alarms especially
[2017-01-15 08:44:08] KyllingLolsson : You will miss a LOT of oppurtunities, BUT however, there will allways be other oppertunities...
[2017-01-15 08:44:11] MikeHunt : i think ive developed a phobia of them
[2017-01-15 08:44:19] MikeHunt : KyllingLolsson: true
[2017-01-15 08:44:27] MikeHunt : i think i need to diversify more
[2017-01-15 08:44:39] MikeHunt : become less focused on just btc
[2017-01-15 08:44:53] KyllingLolsson : seriously, do meditation. Things get clear.
[2017-01-15 08:45:21] BTCDJS : MikeHunt: Forget about the money lost or gained. Or that you might lose or gain. Put it aside and focus on your trade. If you are just guessing you will have anxiety because even though you have this image about yourself as a maveric trader. Deep down you know that you dont know shit. So educate yourself.
[2017-01-15 08:46:04] KyllingLolsson : BTCDJS: agree. This business requires the jedi mind
[2017-01-15 08:49:03] Dtrade16 : I lost 4k on this recent dump
[2017-01-15 08:49:11] KyllingLolsson : chyna
[2017-01-15 08:49:28] MikeHunt : i just feel really dumb thou, shorted peak and didnt keep it
[2017-01-15 08:49:31] MikeHunt : i suppose i learned thou
[2017-01-15 08:49:42] KyllingLolsson : Dtrade16: damn...
[2017-01-15 08:49:53] MikeHunt : Dtrade16: i lost 3.5k, got me beat ;)
[2017-01-15 08:50:06] KyllingLolsson : plan your trade and trade ur plan
[2017-01-15 08:50:22] Dtrade16 : KyllingLolsson: Yah so stupid