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[2015-11-05 04:37:16] messiaen8844 : work during shit?
[2015-11-05 04:37:46] joequant : But they are working somewhere that lunch is more important than getting maximum price.
[2015-11-05 04:38:02] laisee : communiss brokers?
[2015-11-05 04:38:33] joequant : brokers working for an state-owned enterprise.
[2015-11-05 04:38:43] joequant : or a family office
[2015-11-05 04:39:44] joequant : just guessing here, but I remember last year, the mornings were quiet and the action haapened in the evening when you had students and part-time traders.
[2015-11-05 04:40:38] chromaticcr : I am in the communist timezone
[2015-11-05 04:47:48] dynamike23 : set sail for fail
[2015-11-05 04:48:20] Scottv53 : morning folks
[2015-11-05 04:51:41] messiaen8844 : damn, how to trade this shit w
[2015-11-05 04:52:20] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : messiaen8844: 1. Look for breakdowns, 2. Short heavily, 3. Profit?
[2015-11-05 04:53:15] HotDogs : Buy low, sell high; sell high, buy low
[2015-11-05 04:53:17] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : t0% of the time it works everytime
[2015-11-05 04:53:21] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : *50%
[2015-11-05 04:53:38] messiaen8844 : got liquidated in a nasty long , one second later it goes up a lot lol
[2015-11-05 04:53:49] dynamike23 : moar dumps
[2015-11-05 04:55:40] ethexio : Rip
[2015-11-05 05:03:33] lockhedge : how could XBX be lower than all reference exchanges? https://twitter.com/RobotFinance/status/662129734768336896
[2015-11-05 05:04:08] dynamike23 : gentlemen
[2015-11-05 05:04:35] dynamike23 : lockhedge: just a question, what language is your mm bot written in?
[2015-11-05 05:06:28] lockhedge : python and php (it's just a fast written prototype, you should use a more low level language if you fight for every millisecond)
[2015-11-05 05:06:43] dynamike23 : cool, thanks for sharing
[2015-11-05 05:08:56] lockhedge : php works great with websockets, it's faster and more stable than python (but i'm not a python expert) you can start with Sam's open source script https://github.com/BitMEX/market-maker
[2015-11-05 05:09:22] dynamike23 : yeah i was looking at that, was planning on doing something for funsies
[2015-11-05 05:10:01] Satoshi : lockhedge: can you share your bot ?
[2015-11-05 05:10:46] dynamike23 : Satoshi: i wouldn't expect that unless you paid for it, even so
[2015-11-05 05:11:21] lockhedge : we will open source most parts of the bot, starting with our BIX index
[2015-11-05 05:11:28] Satoshi : dynamike23: making it open source is good idea for devs to make it better i think
[2015-11-05 05:12:14] dynamike23 : Satoshi: i don't disagree with you, but i can understand that some parts would be proprietary
[2015-11-05 05:12:49] joequant : I've got an open source bot.
[2015-11-05 05:12:50] Satoshi : dynamike23: yes of course. trade secrets :P
[2015-11-05 05:13:02] joequant : download algobroker from pypi
[2015-11-05 05:13:11] joequant : some assembly required
[2015-11-05 05:13:17] dynamike23 : joequant: good experience with it so far?
[2015-11-05 05:13:28] joequant : it's pretty basic
[2015-11-05 05:13:40] lockhedge : Satoshi: one of the main new problems for mm is reverse engineering, we incorporate some randomness as insurance against that + we share our data and (parts of our code) early to test if we are on the right way.
[2015-11-05 05:13:43] joequant : but the important thing that the bot does is to text me when it does something.
[2015-11-05 05:14:26] Satoshi : joequant: ill try that out, thanks
[2015-11-05 05:14:35] Satoshi : lockhedge: yes i understnad
[2015-11-05 05:14:56] lockhedge : Satoshi: nice nick btw :)
[2015-11-05 05:14:59] joequant : the bot itself has one strategy in the package, which is to cancel all orders if the market moves more than x%
[2015-11-05 05:15:34] dynamike23 : joequant: neat, if it isn't too tough to implement some of my ideas then that should be good to start
[2015-11-05 05:16:06] dynamike23 : thanks for sharing
[2015-11-05 05:31:07] Satoshi : found this bot, its paid : https://www.haasonline.com
[2015-11-05 05:32:42] lockhedge : Satoshi: did you see this one? https://github.com/michaelgrosner/tribeca
[2015-11-05 05:35:23] micmix : lockhedge: I couldn't add your index to our system, our servers cannot connect with TLS handshake error
[2015-11-05 05:36:31] mikeh : attempted short at 450, was pipped so i left it... eediot
[2015-11-05 05:37:07] Satoshi : lockhedge: ill check that , thanks
[2015-11-05 05:38:24] lockhedge : micmix: you are currently connecting through our CloudFlare CDN/firewall, check the SSL cert info https://robotfinance.org/api/bix_alpha/
[2015-11-05 05:39:04] lockhedge : micmix: we won't use CloudFlare when in beta
[2015-11-05 05:41:52] micmix : lockhedge: can you enable http access for now? the index is public anyway and I don't care about men in the middle attack for now
[2015-11-05 05:41:56] Satoshi : lockhedge: i will try to implement bitmex api on that one, it looks cool
[2015-11-05 05:42:58] laisee : making money on ETH && losing money on XBT. has the whole world gone mad ...
[2015-11-05 05:43:13] lockhedge : Satoshi: cool, maybe talk to Sam, i think he already has started with BitMEX implementation
[2015-11-05 05:44:04] dynamike23 : lockhedge: thanks for the share, node.js is interesting
[2015-11-05 05:44:04] lockhedge : micmix: sorry, you have to get SSL working on your side then or wait until beta ;)
[2015-11-05 05:44:20] SnackyCoins : node js is best js
[2015-11-05 05:45:55] micmix : lockhedge: I'm not sure why it doesn't work, same servers work with 10+ exchanges over https with zero issues. I guess I'll wait for beta and check again before spending more time on it.
[2015-11-05 05:46:31] mikeh : fuck, liquidated the moment i hit buy because i had isolate on from earlier, where's the protection against that?
[2015-11-05 05:46:58] micmix : BitMEX_Wally, can you answer a question about websocket API?
[2015-11-05 05:47:24] guywithanicebike : mikeh: Order Controls -> Order Options -> Cross Margin
[2015-11-05 05:47:57] mikeh : yeah i know I can set that but I switch it on and off all the time, if i forget that it's on isolate I get screwed, no warning message
[2015-11-05 05:48:09] guywithanicebike : yeah they need to do something about that
[2015-11-05 05:48:19] guywithanicebike : shit's dangerous
[2015-11-05 05:48:42] mikeh : i've learnt like 5 costly things they need to do something about so far in just a couple of days
[2015-11-05 05:49:06] guywithanicebike : please let them know for the sake of all of us :)
[2015-11-05 05:50:31] SnackyCoins : what do you find yourself flipping it on and off for?
[2015-11-05 05:51:10] SnackyCoins : (a confirmation dialogue when using the checkbox might be a good idea)
[2015-11-05 05:51:18] mikeh : i usually have it on cross for the initial buy so i don't get liquidated, then go to isolate and adjust the margin manually from the positions list
[2015-11-05 05:51:42] SnackyCoins : ah
[2015-11-05 05:52:16] mikeh : just gives me more room to breath with isolate because their stop limits keep failing me
[2015-11-05 05:54:04] dynamike23 : holy caress
[2015-11-05 05:56:29] dynamike23 : just another day in bitcoinland
[2015-11-05 05:57:22] laisee : it's buying time again ...t
[2015-11-05 05:57:44] joequant : wow. The funny ting is that even though I know why this is happening, I still get burned.
[2015-11-05 05:57:54] joequant : Catching a falling knife.
[2015-11-05 05:58:52] laisee : ha. falling axe ...
[2015-11-05 06:00:13] laisee : I see value in the market at these prices /s
[2015-11-05 06:00:27] joequant : yeah and I had a damned open position without a stop loss.
[2015-11-05 06:00:33] joequant : :-(
[2015-11-05 06:00:41] laisee : bugger
[2015-11-05 06:00:42] dynamike23 : tough break
[2015-11-05 06:02:20] joequant : oh well. it happens so often that I'm used to it :-)
[2015-11-05 06:05:04] dynamike23 : I'm still too scared so I'm sitting in the sidelines most of the time
[2015-11-05 06:08:24] joequant : It's fine if you are scared while sitting on the sidelines. big problems when you freeze while crossing the road, or while parachuting :-)
[2015-11-05 06:09:55] mikeh : annoying, another insta-liquidation on short this time, not sure why.. fair price was a long way off
[2015-11-05 06:10:08] SnackyCoins : dyna: good. you are better off than #420YOLOALLIN
[2015-11-05 06:10:21] dynamike23 : joequant: sounds like you're a seasoned veteran
[2015-11-05 06:10:30] joequant : actually no.
[2015-11-05 06:10:38] SnackyCoins : 100x was not designed for this kind of volatility
[2015-11-05 06:10:39] joequant : I've only been trading for a year.
[2015-11-05 06:10:40] micmix : anyone else having problems with OKC API? our bots getting 502 errors for the last 10 minutes
[2015-11-05 06:10:50] SnackyCoins : 100x was released 2 months ago when we would move $3 in a whole day
[2015-11-05 06:10:58] dynamike23 : i wanted to yolo...
[2015-11-05 06:11:16] SnackyCoins : micmix: yep
[2015-11-05 06:11:36] micmix : SnackyCoins: DDOS dump again :-(
[2015-11-05 06:11:47] SnackyCoins : #thistimeisdifferent
[2015-11-05 06:12:08] SnackyCoins : LOL LOOK AT IT DUMP
[2015-11-05 06:12:10] SnackyCoins : wow
[2015-11-05 06:12:14] SnackyCoins : ohh god wow
[2015-11-05 06:12:15] SnackyCoins : okcn
[2015-11-05 06:13:15] laisee : bigger than a dump ...
[2015-11-05 06:13:35] dynamike23 : i feel like such a tiny fish
[2015-11-05 06:13:39] dynamike23 : tadpole even
[2015-11-05 06:14:18] laisee : guess 60% of OKC accounts got liquidated in last few mins ...
[2015-11-05 06:14:43] micmix : DDOS dumps are brutal. With MM bots pulling orders there is no liquidity and everyone tries to close
[2015-11-05 06:14:56] SnackyCoins : welcome to bitcoin 8)
[2015-11-05 06:15:50] laisee : extreme capitalist free markets t ;-)
[2015-11-05 06:16:01] SnackyCoins : Xìtǒng shēngjí zhōng, yùjì huīfù shíjiān 00:05 System upgrade, expected recovery time 00:05
[2015-11-05 06:16:06] SnackyCoins : ^ OKC
[2015-11-05 06:16:27] dynamike23 : OF ALL TIMES LOL
[2015-11-05 06:16:46] laisee : nice timing
[2015-11-05 06:16:47] SnackyCoins : http://i.imgur.com/1pBTW3n.gif
[2015-11-05 06:18:42] BitMEX_Wally : <img src="http://i.imgur.com/1pBTW3n.gif">
[2015-11-05 06:18:53] dynamike23 : ^
[2015-11-05 06:19:19] SnackyCoins : Didn't know you could insert images directly :)
[2015-11-05 06:19:20] BitMEX_Wally : I am BitMEX and I approve this message
[2015-11-05 06:19:27] BitMEX_Wally : Only admins can :)
[2015-11-05 06:19:28] laisee : I'm being hyptnoized ...
[2015-11-05 06:19:36] SnackyCoins : ha, probably for the best ;)
[2015-11-05 06:21:06] laisee : keep hearing gentle words about BUY BUY BUY
[2015-11-05 06:21:31] SnackyCoins : yeah, well you'd be in the majority
[2015-11-05 06:21:50] SnackyCoins : unfortunately the majority of traders lose money
[2015-11-05 06:24:47] dynamike23 : after trading bitcoin, the regular markets must be boring af
[2015-11-05 06:25:03] mikeh : omfg, liquidated again because of isolate which i turned off earlier
[2015-11-05 06:25:35] dynamike23 : mikeh: i always play with isolate off
[2015-11-05 06:25:44] dynamike23 : thats so lame it didn't save it for you
[2015-11-05 06:26:15] mikeh : i have it off, then change it in the position list for a specific order but it sets the default for the next order
[2015-11-05 06:26:47] dynamike23 : does this dead cat bounce have legs? probably not right?
[2015-11-05 06:27:53] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: can you answer a question about websocket API or it's Sam's department?
[2015-11-05 06:28:06] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: Sure
[2015-11-05 06:28:10] TschavaTschigger : the best thing is isolation disabled + market order + only troll orders on the market
[2015-11-05 06:28:36] dynamike23 : 1 contract market makers
[2015-11-05 06:29:18] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: what websocker messages will I get on settlement?
[2015-11-05 06:29:20] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: How can I help?
[2015-11-05 06:29:44] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: You will get an `execution` insert with an execType of `Settlement`.
[2015-11-05 06:30:21] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: will I get 'order' for active orders that were canceled?
[2015-11-05 06:30:37] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, any open orders will be canceled, so you will get the usual message for them
[2015-11-05 06:31:07] BitMEX_Wally : There will be an `execution` insert to cancel the order, and the `order` will get an update too
[2015-11-05 06:31:09] wurstgelee : wtf happened in the last 4 hours? :)
[2015-11-05 06:31:53] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: ok, thanks. Is there any description of different execType messages and the data in those messages?
[2015-11-05 06:32:33] mikeh : i was raped despite calling the highs and lows
[2015-11-05 06:33:50] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: An `execType` of `Settlement` is the same as `Trade` really
[2015-11-05 06:34:12] BitMEX_Wally : The order and execution semantics follow the FIX protocol: http://www.fixtradingcommunity.org/FIXimate/FIXimate3.0/
[2015-11-05 06:34:53] dynamike23 : BitMEX_Wally: thanks for that link
[2015-11-05 06:35:10] ohmannomma : do you have a button for dodgy closures?
[2015-11-05 06:35:49] BitMEX_Wally : ohmannomma: You can submit a Close Limit order
[2015-11-05 06:36:04] BitMEX_Wally : We are going to support Close Market soon
[2015-11-05 06:36:10] ohmannomma : no, i mean if you have such a button
[2015-11-05 06:36:27] BitMEX_Wally : Not yet
[2015-11-05 06:36:54] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: excellent, thank you, that makes it easy. Any plans for FIX support? I think I asked several month ago and was told by the end of the year.
[2015-11-05 06:37:08] ohmannomma : i see.. but the numbers near the positions are not clear on purpose, right?
[2015-11-05 06:37:37] BitMEX_Wally : ohmannomma: Sorry, what do you mean by 'dodgy' or 'not clear'?
[2015-11-05 06:38:15] ohmannomma : i opened one at 413something and it disappeared with default margin
[2015-11-05 06:38:38] ohmannomma : i see.. the trick can b in the double index, right?
[2015-11-05 06:38:56] ohmannomma : it disappeared with 0.20 btcs
[2015-11-05 06:39:22] BitMEX_Wally : ohmannomma: The market is moving very quickly, so you can get liquidated easily
[2015-11-05 06:39:46] BitMEX_Wally : The fair price of XBT24H is following the last traded price of XBT24H quite closely
[2015-11-05 06:40:20] ohmannomma : so there is no point to use the default margin sometimes
[2015-11-05 06:41:25] BitMEX_Wally : ohmannomma: Well, if you want to minimise yours losses to only 1% of the position
[2015-11-05 06:41:53] BitMEX_Wally : It looks like your liquidation price was 410.66 and the market was trading below that
[2015-11-05 06:41:57] ohmannomma : it all calibrated, understandable
[2015-11-05 06:42:18] ohmannomma : it is*
[2015-11-05 06:42:22] mikeh : you have to turn off isolate under order options or you can be insta liquidated - there are a lot of gotchas on this site atm
[2015-11-05 06:42:54] laisee : Wally> can add popup allowing change of leverage or allocating more margin when opening 24H position?
[2015-11-05 06:43:41] BitMEX_Wally : In the Order Controls box there is an Order Options dropdown
[2015-11-05 06:43:46] BitMEX_Wally : You can switch from Isolate to Cross margin before opening the position
[2015-11-05 06:44:18] BitMEX_Wally : We are working on letting you choose your leverage in the order entry box
[2015-11-05 06:44:25] ohmannomma : ok, the thing is that liquidation at the index price is not possible at any given moment.. sometimes the margin price would cover the index, but there are no orders to fill
[2015-11-05 06:44:35] laisee : hmm. easy to forgett. be nice o configure leverage & margin when its needed
[2015-11-05 06:45:24] laisee : as you mentioned re leverage
[2015-11-05 06:45:34] mikeh : toggling isolate on a specific order through the position list shouldn't set the default for the following order btw
[2015-11-05 06:46:08] BitMEX_Wally : Margin is not allocated to 'orders' per se, it is to do with a position
[2015-11-05 06:47:09] ohmannomma : so.. now.. the maximum risk on a position was say 0.03 .. i was below 0.19 and it didnt close it but at -0.2..
[2015-11-05 06:47:26] ohmannomma : so i lost 0.20 when my max exposition was 0.03
[2015-11-05 06:47:49] ohmannomma : possible?
[2015-11-05 06:48:51] BitMEX_Wally : Not sure I follow, are you talking about absolute margin amounts?
[2015-11-05 06:50:44] ohmannomma : the liquidation price seems not to be the exact amount the position gets liquidated..
[2015-11-05 06:51:01] BitMEX_Wally : The liquidation price determines when the liquidation happens
[2015-11-05 06:51:07] BitMEX_Wally : Your position is taken over by the system
[2015-11-05 06:51:22] ohmannomma : but not the price of the liquidation, right?
[2015-11-05 06:51:25] BitMEX_Wally : Correct
[2015-11-05 06:51:33] ohmannomma : exactly
[2015-11-05 06:52:06] BitMEX_Wally : The exchange takes the risk and tries to use the remaining margin you had left on the position to liquidate in the market
[2015-11-05 06:54:28] ohmannomma : it's a wicked exchange anyway.. do you have stats of number of users?
[2015-11-05 06:57:42] BitMEX_Wally : Thousands :)
[2015-11-05 06:59:28] TschavaTschigger : setting the leverage urself would really be amazing. right now its just all nothing. you guys have any eta for the feature?
[2015-11-05 06:59:39] TschavaTschigger : all or* nothing
[2015-11-05 06:59:51] SnackyCoins : you can
[2015-11-05 07:00:05] SnackyCoins : click the blue +B icon next to the margin of an open isolated position
[2015-11-05 07:00:26] SnackyCoins : you can add/remove any amount of margin there
[2015-11-05 07:00:27] TschavaTschigger : yeah, you can manually
[2015-11-05 07:00:29] ohmannomma : since the position is taken over by the system the price of the settlement could be .. fairer ;)
[2015-11-05 07:00:31] TschavaTschigger : but not through the api
[2015-11-05 07:00:53] SnackyCoins : the api had it first iirc
[2015-11-05 07:01:08] Scottv53 : BitMEX_Wally: how do you think the price action is going to pan out for the remainder of day?
[2015-11-05 07:01:16] ohmannomma : i mean. ppl dont mind to pay premiums or commisions, but they must keep the control of the commands
[2015-11-05 07:01:42] BitMEX_Wally : TschavaTschigger: Everything on the frontend can be done through the API, we use the API internally https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Position/Position_transferIsolatedMargin
[2015-11-05 07:02:10] ohmannomma : i mean the allocation of the risk.. i see it being possible..
[2015-11-05 07:02:43] BitMEX_Wally : ohmannomma: We are working on ways we can get rid of fair price marking and instead use the last traded price of the future, but with protection against maniulation
[2015-11-05 07:03:06] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Wally: ok you are right. my bad.. i meant something differently.. i meant setting the leverage to a pre-defined % value, so you dont have to shift margin around all the time
[2015-11-05 07:03:19] TschavaTschigger : cause right now, you just have isolated or cross-margin, but nothing in betwen
[2015-11-05 07:03:36] BitMEX_Wally : TschavaTschigger: Sounds like a trailing stop
[2015-11-05 07:04:06] TschavaTschigger : just that you can't even make the order sometimes when isolated is enabled? because of insta-liquidation?
[2015-11-05 07:04:31] ohmannomma : well.. the protection could be the absorbtion of the value itself..
[2015-11-05 07:04:45] TschavaTschigger : ok, i get your point, cross-margin and trailing stop.. thats what you mean @BitMEX_Wally
[2015-11-05 07:05:06] BitMEX_Wally : We're working to improve things, we listen to you guys :)
[2015-11-05 07:05:21] TschavaTschigger : we know.. thats why we love this site so much <3
[2015-11-05 07:05:31] ohmannomma : sure ;)
[2015-11-05 07:05:42] TschavaTschigger : btw, heart-smilie gets disabled in trollbox = big flaw xD
[2015-11-05 07:05:58] ohmannomma : is it possible to apply a stop at market price as today say - on a position already open?
[2015-11-05 07:06:44] BitMEX_Wally : ohmannomma: If you are currently long, then submit a StopLimit order to sell.
[2015-11-05 07:07:00] BitMEX_Wally : Set the limit price to be your liquidation price, and the stop price as your trigger
[2015-11-05 07:07:13] BitMEX_Wally : Trigger price should be above your limit price
[2015-11-05 07:07:21] ohmannomma : the value is still that fair average
[2015-11-05 07:07:48] BitMEX_Wally : Yes the trigger price looks at the fair price, but the fair price is being adjusted to closely track the future at the moment
[2015-11-05 07:27:38] dorothy490 : my entry price 411 buy current mark price 398. i Unrealized PNL shows profit 2% Why?
[2015-11-05 07:28:43] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: Are you long or short?
[2015-11-05 07:32:16] dorothy490 : long
[2015-11-05 07:32:21] BitMEX_Wally : Let me check
[2015-11-05 07:32:45] dorothy490 : at the moment its "okish"
[2015-11-05 07:33:40] dorothy490 : but at that moment it was like that
[2015-11-05 07:33:58] dorothy490 : 2% profit whereas mark price is lower than entry price
[2015-11-05 07:34:11] dorothy490 : should I make scrrenshot next time?
[2015-11-05 07:34:15] BitMEX_Wally : Yes please
[2015-11-05 07:34:20] BitMEX_Wally : It might have been a WebSocket glitch
[2015-11-05 07:38:01] mikeh : is your API similar to Gox's in the way you authenticate etc?
[2015-11-05 07:38:25] BitMEX_Wally : I never used the Gox API
[2015-11-05 07:48:27] ethexio : Fun day
[2015-11-05 07:53:03] mikeh : started fun, but am back to where i began
[2015-11-05 08:03:39] chromaticcr : Fair basis% should somehow be renamed to irrational basis
[2015-11-05 08:10:24] BitMEX_Wally : chromaticcr: The fair basis price is currently tracking the future price
[2015-11-05 08:10:33] BitMEX_Wally : So basically the future price is irrational
[2015-11-05 08:10:41] laisee : yup
[2015-11-05 08:10:45] BitMEX_Wally : But it has a < $1 spread, so.... trade it
[2015-11-05 08:10:52] chromaticcr : human are indeed irrational creatures
[2015-11-05 08:13:48] laisee : markets can stay irrational longer than traders can stay liquid ...
[2015-11-05 08:19:50] PatioCrasher : is bitcoinwisdom down?
[2015-11-05 08:22:02] PatioCrasher : nm
[2015-11-05 08:46:59] dorothy490 : hey Wally
[2015-11-05 08:47:08] dorothy490 : I have balance 1.77 and avaliable funds 0.44
[2015-11-05 08:47:15] dorothy490 : soem unds locked till settlement, right?
[2015-11-05 08:47:19] dorothy490 : funds*
[2015-11-05 08:50:22] jung1 : : O
[2015-11-05 08:50:27] jung1 : wtf was that
[2015-11-05 08:50:47] jung1 : 60usd drop on finex
[2015-11-05 08:50:50] wurstgelee : so much red
[2015-11-05 08:51:33] wurstgelee : 60usd drop?
[2015-11-05 08:51:36] wurstgelee : when?
[2015-11-05 08:52:50] jung1 : https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitfinex/btcusd
[2015-11-05 08:53:24] dorothy490 : BitMEX_Wally: need you advise
[2015-11-05 08:53:42] wurstgelee : jung1: ah yes, i thought suddenly :)
[2015-11-05 08:54:15] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: How can I help?
[2015-11-05 08:55:09] dorothy490 : Ihave balance 1.77 and avalaible 0.4 some funds locket till settlement. question: I have open position - - does margin using all 1.77 balance?
[2015-11-05 08:55:45] ayy lmao : cross does, isolat doesnt
[2015-11-05 08:55:52] dorothy490 : cross
[2015-11-05 08:56:19] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: Cross margin will use all of your available margin
[2015-11-05 08:56:25] ayy lmao : on cross, once you exceed your intitial margin in losses, it starts auto adding margin to maintain
[2015-11-05 08:56:28] BitMEX_Wally : It will move it into the position as needed
[2015-11-05 09:12:31] dorothy490 : why sometimes order books blinks and dissapeards and then reappears again
[2015-11-05 09:12:58] dorothy490 : I suppose its bots action, but durign this short dissapearence period, - ordebook missing?
[2015-11-05 09:13:07] dorothy490 : for these bot orders, or they jsut refreshing slowly
[2015-11-05 09:13:23] BitMEX_Wally : When market makers update their prices they pull their orders and submit new ones
[2015-11-05 09:13:53] dorothy490 : is it going on priority usually? or there could be delay?
[2015-11-05 09:14:22] dorothy490 : like move from 382 to 381, it happens in log like 11:14:01 382 order cancelled 11:14:01 381 order created
[2015-11-05 09:14:38] dorothy490 : or could be that 11:14:05 381 order created
[2015-11-05 09:15:58] BitMEX_Wally : The market making bots decide how quickly to resubmit
[2015-11-05 09:16:26] BitMEX_Wally : They might wait for the cancel confirmation from all orders before submitting new ones, so the round trip latency of their internet connection matters
[2015-11-05 09:17:20] dorothy490 : thanks, thats clear
[2015-11-05 09:20:48] dorothy490 : btw I liek that marketmaker
[2015-11-05 09:21:00] dorothy490 : added a great portion of liquidity
[2015-11-05 09:31:26] habibi : what is indicative settle price ;p?
[2015-11-05 09:33:02] jung1 : you think we changed trend?
[2015-11-05 09:54:09] BitMEX_Wally : habibi: The indicative settlement price is basically the underlying index
[2015-11-05 09:55:36] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: yea, i just woke up and didnt even read the explanation. Just didnt see it before on main page
[2015-11-05 10:04:46] justinlooking : BVOL 22 !!
[2015-11-05 10:15:38] dmasters1 : I dont seem to be able to add margin despite my wallet having a balance of 44 coin with maint margin of 2.6
[2015-11-05 10:18:59] BitMEX_Wally : dmasters1: Let me check
[2015-11-05 10:20:12] BitMEX_Wally : dmasters1: You only have 0.035591 in 'Available Margin'
[2015-11-05 10:20:25] BitMEX_Wally : You can see a complete breakdown of your margin here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2015-11-05 10:21:28] BitMEX_Wally : You have a lot of profit that is withheld until Friday
[2015-11-05 10:36:42] billyboy402 : where about is the Caluraltor button has it been removed
[2015-11-05 10:37:02] BitMEX_Wally : Under the `Order Options` drop down
[2015-11-05 10:37:30] billyboy402 : cool ,. may be better to have it on the side
[2015-11-05 10:39:55] dmasters1 : ok thanks. Is the witheld profit not available for margin?
[2015-11-05 10:40:13] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, because it may be subject to adjustment
[2015-11-05 10:40:24] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation
[2015-11-05 10:40:42] dmasters1 : ah of course. You guys have it all figured out!
[2015-11-05 10:42:46] BitMEX_Wally : Let us know if you have any questions, we're happy to help
[2015-11-05 10:45:04] Scottv53 : BitMEX_Wally: for your info bitfinex just integrated this to login https://getclef.com/bitfinex/
[2015-11-05 10:46:41] BitMEX_Wally : Cool, we'll look into it for BitMEX
[2015-11-05 10:58:47] dorothy490 : when is settlement?
[2015-11-05 10:58:51] dorothy490 : in 2 mins?
[2015-11-05 10:59:00] gielbier : dorothy490: in an hour
[2015-11-05 10:59:37] BitMEX_Arthur : In the top right-hand corner there is a expiry count down clock
[2015-11-05 10:59:39] dorothy490 : i na hour = within a hour
[2015-11-05 10:59:49] dorothy490 : ah I see
[2015-11-05 11:00:33] gielbier : i really missed al the action last night S:
[2015-11-05 11:05:43] wurstgelee : also the action missed you. ;)
[2015-11-05 11:05:52] wurstgelee : so not necessarily a bad thing =)
[2015-11-05 11:06:38] gielbier : hehe wurstgelee , did you get any of the action?
[2015-11-05 11:10:18] redlose : Which number will be used for the unrealised PNL? (Is it the Indicative Settle Price or the Last Price?)
[2015-11-05 11:10:56] BitMEX_Wally : redlose: The markPrice is used for unrealisedPNL
[2015-11-05 11:11:15] redlose : alright thx
[2015-11-05 11:11:17] BitMEX_Wally : Which is the fairPrice for DPE contracts, and lastPrice for non-DPE (i.e. XBU)
[2015-11-05 11:11:34] BitMEX_Wally : fairPrice is calculated from the Indicative Settle Price
[2015-11-05 11:11:40] BitMEX_Wally : We are working on simplifying this for users
[2015-11-05 11:15:05] ohmannomma : can you check my last liquidation please?
[2015-11-05 11:15:13] BitMEX_Wally : Sure
[2015-11-05 11:18:29] BitMEX_Wally : ohmannomma: You were long 2020 contracts of XBT24H with a liquidation price of 402.11
[2015-11-05 11:19:17] ohmannomma : at 10:50
[2015-11-05 11:19:22] BitMEX_Wally : You were liquidated at 10:50 UTC
[2015-11-05 11:19:55] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBT
[2015-11-05 11:20:03] BitMEX_Wally : You can see that the market was much lower than 402.11 at that time
[2015-11-05 11:20:16] ohmannomma : exactly
[2015-11-05 11:20:29] BitMEX_Wally : You're saying we should have liquidated you sooner?
[2015-11-05 11:23:11] ohmannomma : i dont know.. ive got a strange feeling about this closures
[2015-11-05 11:24:16] ohmannomma : and the orderbook squeezing the averages..
[2015-11-05 11:25:30] BitMEX_Wally : I can't see anything suspicious
[2015-11-05 11:25:41] BitMEX_Wally : Both the future and spot dropped
[2015-11-05 11:26:06] BitMEX_Wally : 5 dollars in 5 minutes
[2015-11-05 11:47:22] chromaticcr : closed ahead. Happy arbbing
[2015-11-05 11:51:56] peder0 : /j mtmox
[2015-11-05 11:53:53] habibi : i feel there will be some manipulation before settlement to put settle price up
[2015-11-05 11:54:23] BitMEX_Wally : habibi: We take a 30 minute time weighted average
[2015-11-05 11:54:36] BitMEX_Wally : So they better have been manipulating it for the last 25 minutes
[2015-11-05 11:55:01] habibi : thats quite good, but still whats wrong with this 40k order above price ;p
[2015-11-05 11:55:16] habibi : or maybe its short closing
[2015-11-05 11:55:28] Yumi : it settles based on index, you would have to manipulate all major exchanges
[2015-11-05 11:56:03] mikeh : 24k and 41k, whyyy
[2015-11-05 11:56:17] redlose : wouldnt it be free money if you sell in this 41k wall?
[2015-11-05 11:56:27] habibi : yea thats my point redlose
[2015-11-05 11:56:33] Yumi : you have to pay fees for selling and then on settlement
[2015-11-05 11:56:46] redlose : alright
[2015-11-05 11:56:47] chromaticcr : lets see if there is still 6k% basis 4 minutes later
[2015-11-05 11:56:56] BitMEX_Wally : Hah it's gone
[2015-11-05 11:57:04] habibi : too much attention
[2015-11-05 11:57:11] redlose : haha he read this
[2015-11-05 11:57:28] habibi : lel 24k buy at 389
[2015-11-05 11:57:38] redlose : stupid guys
[2015-11-05 11:57:48] TschavaTschigger : lol
[2015-11-05 11:57:48] chromaticcr : ....
[2015-11-05 11:57:57] chromaticcr : is it the bot glitched
[2015-11-05 11:58:04] habibi : another
[2015-11-05 11:58:07] chromaticcr : omf
[2015-11-05 11:58:09] habibi : strange things happening
[2015-11-05 11:58:10] habibi : :D
[2015-11-05 11:58:44] chromaticcr : 100k orders for expiry
[2015-11-05 11:58:54] chromaticcr : wtf.....
[2015-11-05 11:59:06] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: whats going on ?
[2015-11-05 11:59:14] BitMEX_Wally : People are trading
[2015-11-05 11:59:25] habibi : u see the point in that trading?
[2015-11-05 11:59:32] BitMEX_Wally : Saving the takerFee at settlement?
[2015-11-05 11:59:39] TschavaTschigger : +1
[2015-11-05 11:59:41] habibi : ah right
[2015-11-05 11:59:45] chromaticcr : perhaps it's liquidity provider trolling you guys
[2015-11-05 12:00:00] chromaticcr : they have discounts on fee so they can do whatever they want
[2015-11-05 12:00:15] TschavaTschigger : good game guys, well played
[2015-11-05 12:00:54] billyboy402 : werer making 50c in a 1 if it sette lower
[2015-11-05 12:01:48] billyboy402 : settle 387.44 , that guy that sold into that 41000 order at 389 would be happy
[2015-11-05 12:02:37] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah, I don't understand why anyone would buy it though
[2015-11-05 12:03:06] billyboy402 : hoping for it to spike i guess ,. i tool some :)
[2015-11-05 12:03:27] billyboy402 : I short when it was $30 over index 4 hours ago ,. cash and carry baby
[2015-11-05 12:04:07] billyboy402 : what time are the withdraws process
[2015-11-05 12:04:14] BitMEX_Wally : 13:00 UTC
[2015-11-05 12:04:17] BitMEX_Wally : In one hour
[2015-11-05 12:04:26] billyboy402 : are theu still only done once a day
[2015-11-05 12:07:19] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2015-11-05 12:29:06] podizzle3k : if you get liquidated on the 7d do they wait until Friday to take all your money
[2015-11-05 12:30:17] podizzle3k : Will all my withheld profit disappear at that point
[2015-11-05 12:34:45] BitMEX_Wally : podizzle3k: If you have realised profit on XBT7D then it can be used to fund unrealised losses on XBT7D
[2015-11-05 12:35:12] BitMEX_Wally : Actually, I'm not sure about that
[2015-11-05 12:35:28] podizzle3k : hahah always good when support is just as confused
[2015-11-05 12:35:48] podizzle3k : i guess we'll find out on friday
[2015-11-05 12:36:07] BitMEX_Wally : If you have isolated margin disabled then it will use up all your available margin before being liquidated
[2015-11-05 12:36:34] podizzle3k : ok
[2015-11-05 12:37:02] BitMEX_Wally : Any withheld profit still there at settlement on Friday will be released to you
[2015-11-05 12:37:50] BitMEX_Wally : The profit is withheld in case of DPE, not to cover your own liquidations
[2015-11-05 12:38:20] podizzle3k : righ
[2015-11-05 12:38:31] podizzle3k : seems kinda empty here today
[2015-11-05 12:38:45] podizzle3k : lots of people nursing wounds from the dump
[2015-11-05 12:39:00] podizzle3k : wheres itchy and potatto
[2015-11-05 13:02:59] ayy lmao : dammit did i miss the withdrawwal cuttoff?
[2015-11-05 13:06:42] BitMEX_Wally : ayy lmao: Unfortunately yes, they have just been signed
[2015-11-05 13:08:19] ayy lmao : np, gotta make sure I withdraw before falling asleep lol, 2mrw when I withdraw, hoq long before they process in the batch?
[2015-11-05 13:09:31] BitMEX_Wally : ayy lmao: Next batch is in 24 hours
[2015-11-05 13:09:42] BitMEX_Wally : But we may process some sooner
[2015-11-05 13:14:35] ayy lmao : Bitmex_Wally, so that means that todays withdrawals wont process until 24 hour from now?
[2015-11-05 13:14:53] BitMEX_Wally : Correct
[2015-11-05 13:15:02] ayy lmao : ok thx
[2015-11-05 13:15:07] BitMEX_Wally : Any withdrawals submitted after 13:00 UTC will be processed at 13:00 UTC tomorrow
[2015-11-05 13:19:01] zanza : something curious? I just realized if a XBT contract is let settlement (not closed out before expiry), under your closed positions it will show the underlying, however does not show Realized PNL
[2015-11-05 13:19:49] zanza : i will email screenshot
[2015-11-05 13:19:59] BitMEX_Wally : zanza: Yes please, thank you
[2015-11-05 13:28:19] BitMEX_Wally : zanza: When the contract expires and re-lists the realisedPnl is moved to your wallet as a CashSettlement transaction.
[2015-11-05 13:28:31] BitMEX_Wally : You can see the history here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2015-11-05 13:29:05] BitMEX_Wally : Basically because realisedPnl can be subject to DPE we make sure everyone's realisedPnl is 0 before re-listing the contract
[2015-11-05 13:29:16] zanza : oh, I got it
[2015-11-05 13:29:18] zanza : thanks :)
[2015-11-05 13:30:18] zanza : auction happening soon
[2015-11-05 13:36:39] dorothy490 : zanza: when exactly>
[2015-11-05 13:37:48] j8 : was supposed to start at 8 am EST i think, that's a half hour ago
[2015-11-05 13:43:05] podizzle3k : i bid $10 for them all
[2015-11-05 13:48:28] wurstgelee : tfw you long XBT24H while youre @ work, forget about it, suddenly remember it and then discover youre not liquidated oO
[2015-11-05 13:57:39] jung1 : how to autofill Limit Price ?
[2015-11-05 13:57:51] jung1 : sometimes it go automaticly
[2015-11-05 13:58:06] j8 : click the book
[2015-11-05 13:58:20] jung1 : yeah but price only
[2015-11-05 13:58:45] j8 : fills in cumulative volume for me
[2015-11-05 13:58:55] j8 : you can also click your position
[2015-11-05 13:59:42] jung1 : if we break it now we go up
[2015-11-05 13:59:57] habibi : break 2720? or what lvl jung1
[2015-11-05 14:00:52] jung1 : yes
[2015-11-05 14:14:47] ayy lmao : tfw not liquidated
[2015-11-05 14:30:55] jung1 : whats wrong with orderbook?
[2015-11-05 14:32:06] dorothy490 : someone want to mess order book with 1 orders
[2015-11-05 14:32:16] dorothy490 : or just having balance like 0.0005
[2015-11-05 14:34:04] zanza : wurstgelee: dont work and trade :)
[2015-11-05 14:34:15] wurstgelee : hehe
[2015-11-05 14:34:23] wurstgelee : b-b-b-but ...:|
[2015-11-05 14:34:44] PatioCrasher : its called padding I think.. so you cant see the rest of the order book
[2015-11-05 14:35:24] dorothy490 : going to save you guys
[2015-11-05 14:35:27] dorothy490 : will get rid of that 1
[2015-11-05 14:35:44] dorothy490 : got it!
[2015-11-05 14:36:32] peasant-wizard : lol
[2015-11-05 14:36:39] peasant-wizard : Thanks, it is annoying
[2015-11-05 14:36:48] dorothy490 : got it too
[2015-11-05 14:37:09] dorothy490 : bot reacts by adjusting price lower
[2015-11-05 15:52:29] SnackyCoins : dorothy you can click the arrows in the top corner of the orderbook box to see the entire book
[2015-11-05 15:57:02] zanza : auction happening now ?
[2015-11-05 15:57:52] roymalmberg : volume increasing
[2015-11-05 16:01:14] joequant : orders are appearing for xbtz15
[2015-11-05 16:08:13] zanza : 0 premium on 7 day
[2015-11-05 16:30:20] dorothy490 : Such bids
[2015-11-05 16:31:29] zanza : yawn
[2015-11-05 16:33:26] dynamike23 : not much movement today, kinda boring
[2015-11-05 16:34:09] zanza : and people are exhausted from the past week
[2015-11-05 16:34:40] dynamike23 : agreed, it's been an eventful week
[2015-11-05 16:44:05] j8 : funny how a $20 range over 3 hours seems boring now
[2015-11-05 17:04:16] wurstgelee : especially when youre on 100x crack.
[2015-11-05 17:04:26] wurstgelee : but yes...boring ;)
[2015-11-05 17:05:11] wurstgelee : good da for finally getting some slewp
[2015-11-05 17:05:15] wurstgelee : sleep
[2015-11-05 17:05:47] wurstgelee : at least thats the plan for now, 6 pm here.
[2015-11-05 17:07:06] j8 : sleep when china sleeps
[2015-11-05 17:43:00] SnackyCoins : bitfx.info good for knowing who's awake (if you are too lazy to figure it out otherwise lol)
[2015-11-05 17:58:19] nickhnt : SnackyCoins: nice to know thx man
[2015-11-05 18:04:37] null : have the fees been simplified to maker/taker? I know you guys used to have an option to pay super cheap time based fees too
[2015-11-05 18:10:24] BitMEX_Sam : null: Yes, much simplified: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2015-11-05 18:10:38] null : cool, simple is better
[2015-11-05 18:11:47] coinigywilliam : hola samuel :D
[2015-11-05 18:12:01] coinigywilliam : liking the new UI
[2015-11-05 18:12:06] coinigywilliam : been awhile since i've been over here!
[2015-11-05 18:31:08] ohmannomma : it goes up, the market doesnt move here
[2015-11-05 18:31:26] ohmannomma : hello users!
[2015-11-05 18:32:12] ohmannomma : hello... anybody in here?
[2015-11-05 18:33:52] BitMEX_Sam : Hey ohmannomma
[2015-11-05 18:34:03] BitMEX_Sam : coinigywilliam: Glad to see you're liking it - more updates to come
[2015-11-05 18:34:31] ohmannomma : why no action now??
[2015-11-05 18:35:26] ohmannomma : this is starting to get outrageous
[2015-11-05 18:35:38] ohmannomma : can you check my liquidation of 1 minute ago?
[2015-11-05 18:36:21] ohmannomma : i dont mean check by its figures. check what happened in the site in the meantime
[2015-11-05 18:40:25] lockhedge : ohmannomma: "it goes up, the market doesnt move here" what is "it"? XBX? BIX? price on an exchange you are using?
[2015-11-05 18:51:27] ohmannomma : i do not want to spend 1 satoshi more than the margin i decide to put
[2015-11-05 18:51:32] TschavaTschigger : market today is less exciting than dinner with my grandparents
[2015-11-05 18:51:44] ohmannomma : ok, Sam?
[2015-11-05 18:52:28] ohmannomma : since you emit this contracts, when you take them back you got no expense
[2015-11-05 18:52:29] ohmannomma : s
[2015-11-05 18:52:43] ohmannomma : please check my log of yesterday and mail me the rembourse
[2015-11-05 18:54:34] ohmannomma : should i write you an email and perhaps an article about it?
[2015-11-05 18:54:49] sleger : you should definitely email for stg like that
[2015-11-05 18:55:16] ohmannomma : im not amused tho
[2015-11-05 18:55:36] sleger : maybe you dont understand how margin works ?
[2015-11-05 18:55:49] sleger : i'm sure they will help you understand
[2015-11-05 18:58:11] BitMEX_Sam : ohmannomma: Sorry, please ping me if you have an issue and I'm not responding, working on a few things at once
[2015-11-05 18:58:28] BitMEX_Sam : I guarantee you the liquidations you experienced were legitimate, they always are, the only issue is that we could do a better job of reporting history
[2015-11-05 18:59:04] BitMEX_Sam : I will check that liquidation, but in general please email account concerns to support@bitmex.com, you will get a better response and we can track the concerns one by one
[2015-11-05 19:00:23] BitMEX_Sam : You can view the actual liquidation details at https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2015-11-05 19:00:31] BitMEX_Sam : If there is more information you would like, please start a ticket by emailing us
[2015-11-05 19:00:43] ohmannomma : if i dont understand? sure
[2015-11-05 19:00:58] ohmannomma : what about the cost of liquidation for example
[2015-11-05 19:01:15] BitMEX_Sam : See https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation#liquidations
[2015-11-05 19:01:16] ohmannomma : if you take those contracts back. .you got no cost
[2015-11-05 19:01:25] BitMEX_Sam : And https://www.bitmex.com/app/marginCall
[2015-11-05 19:01:37] TschavaTschigger : ohmannomma: I just can say that every time I had the feeling that a liquidiation was not legitimate and I double checked again, the error was on my side.. the system works really well imho
[2015-11-05 19:01:38] sleger : they dont take anything back, they get executed in the market ....
[2015-11-05 19:01:40] ohmannomma : why someone should go through the possibility of being liquidated in excess of his margin
[2015-11-05 19:01:42] BitMEX_Sam : Every margined exchange in the world issues margin calls / liquidations
[2015-11-05 19:02:01] ohmannomma : you get my point?
[2015-11-05 19:02:06] BitMEX_Sam : And if you are liquidated but still have excess margin in your account, it is because you isolated margin
[2015-11-05 19:02:14] BitMEX_Sam : I'm not sure if I do, perhaps you can restate
[2015-11-05 19:02:15] ohmannomma : i might need to write an article about it
[2015-11-05 19:02:33] sleger : not an article, just an email
[2015-11-05 19:02:38] BitMEX_Sam : Please make sure you understand the system before you take to the public about it, or email us first
[2015-11-05 19:02:39] ohmannomma : it depends
[2015-11-05 19:02:46] sleger : or, alternatively, you could educate yourself
[2015-11-05 19:02:58] BitMEX_Sam : We are very transparent about how the system works, there are many references available to you
[2015-11-05 19:03:00] ohmannomma : about what, sorry?
[2015-11-05 19:03:17] dynamike23 : ohmannomma: don't risk embarrassing yourself
[2015-11-05 19:03:28] ohmannomma : e e hm