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[2017-01-10 15:19:27] MikeHunt : abbey: MFI shows actual money flow
[2017-01-10 15:21:19] abbey : i know, but that's not 100% sure indicator either
[2017-01-10 15:21:23] abbey : none is
[2017-01-10 15:21:29] abbey : MikeHunt:
[2017-01-10 15:22:42] abbey : we'll see how this works out, i'm saying up
[2017-01-10 15:22:49] anonymous123421 : BTC-Noob: https://blockchain.info/address/3BMEXQ5Sf9SN2XTUgG3ejHwKAMFCq2JPkd I don't see any transaction for .11 BTC? Did anyone actually send you anything?
[2017-01-10 15:23:23] shiroe : Up. 6/12hr MACD RSI going up :) stash more btc!
[2017-01-10 15:23:55] sleger : anonymous123421: the guy is a total fraud
[2017-01-10 15:24:14] anonymous123421 : sleger: Figures
[2017-01-10 15:24:39] abbey : shiroe: thats + too
[2017-01-10 15:25:37] MikeHunt : "Final Balance 2.21022949 BTC"
[2017-01-10 15:25:45] MikeHunt : beggar? no? fraudster? maybe?
[2017-01-10 15:28:23] anonymous123421 : MikeHunt: He was begging though, that makes him a beggar and a liar.
[2017-01-10 15:28:49] MikeHunt : anonymous123421: yeh
[2017-01-10 15:28:57] l3f : sleger: I think the fact that retail investors have finally been cleaned
[2017-01-10 15:28:59] l3f : is a bearish sign
[2017-01-10 15:29:24] sleger : who said retail have been "cleaned" ?
[2017-01-10 15:29:35] MikeHunt : ive noticed the china pumps are weak/none existant at the moment
[2017-01-10 15:29:41] l3f : well let's just say that judging by the amount of people cleaned so far
[2017-01-10 15:30:49] anonymous123421 : l3f: You can count me among them, I'm here to try and learn how to avoid bad trades.
[2017-01-10 15:33:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 1590 @ 928.37
[2017-01-10 15:33:33] MikeHunt : also on bitcoinity the buying rate is negative
[2017-01-10 15:33:34] rapidtrades : guise?
[2017-01-10 15:34:02] rapidtrades : sleger the last bull standing
[2017-01-10 15:34:08] MikeHunt : if china really aint interested anymore then its sharp downard imo
[2017-01-10 15:34:09] rapidtrades : buying BTC, buying ETH
[2017-01-10 15:35:12] FreeMoney : ive watched so many noobs fleeced past few days
[2017-01-10 15:35:36] l3f : rapidtrades: I'm still bullish
[2017-01-10 15:35:38] FreeMoney : they need a week/fortnight until pay check
[2017-01-10 15:35:40] rapidtrades : and how exactly did u 'watch' that?
[2017-01-10 15:36:15] l3f : rapidtrades: If only they heeded your warning
[2017-01-10 15:36:31] FreeMoney : rapidtrades: come on, even you can figure it out. New faces, new tears and new money we all took
[2017-01-10 15:37:10] l3f : FreeMoney: It's true
[2017-01-10 15:37:15] l3f : I was here ~800s
[2017-01-10 15:37:17] l3f : rapidtrades my bro
[2017-01-10 15:37:21] l3f : we were best friends
[2017-01-10 15:37:38] l3f : So many new faces once it was pushing to 1k
[2017-01-10 15:37:45] l3f : and now these are the faces of rekt
[2017-01-10 15:37:48] FreeMoney : and now they all fucked
[2017-01-10 15:38:03] l3f : I taught them to buy and hold
[2017-01-10 15:38:09] FreeMoney : nice
[2017-01-10 15:38:21] l3f : I taught them to buy the dips
[2017-01-10 15:38:28] FreeMoney : add collateral to bleeding margin?
[2017-01-10 15:38:42] l3f : I closed my long on them
[2017-01-10 15:38:55] FreeMoney : to "double down" your average buy?
[2017-01-10 15:38:58] l3f : I saw them liquidate at my closing price
[2017-01-10 15:39:03] l3f : during the final dump
[2017-01-10 15:39:05] l3f : I killed them
[2017-01-10 15:39:11] l3f : even the younglings
[2017-01-10 15:39:14] FreeMoney : thats so erotic
[2017-01-10 15:39:33] FreeMoney : lol wtf I posted that before you wrote that shit
[2017-01-10 15:40:00] rapidtrades : FreeMoney: don't lie
[2017-01-10 15:40:06] rapidtrades : ....sicko
[2017-01-10 15:40:32] l3f : rapidtrades: up or down?
[2017-01-10 15:40:37] l3f : rapidbears
[2017-01-10 15:41:09] FreeMoney : im not touching it until it stages higher so I can short on the fakeout or lower in the blood
[2017-01-10 15:41:38] l3f : My analysis is that there's many people trapped up high
[2017-01-10 15:41:43] l3f : so even if we go up we won't go back to 1k
[2017-01-10 15:41:54] FreeMoney : agreed
[2017-01-10 15:42:01] FreeMoney : not until end of year
[2017-01-10 15:42:10] l3f : as in even if we push they'll try and give us their bags
[2017-01-10 15:53:42] MikeHunt : l3f: so you purposefully gave bad advice?
[2017-01-10 15:56:40] shiroe : Stash! macd rsi going up, exit at 7k okc in a week :P
[2017-01-10 16:03:47] l3f : MikeHunt: No I was buying and holding as well
[2017-01-10 16:04:13] l3f : But when it rises 10% in a single day you know it's the god damn top
[2017-01-10 16:05:10] l3f : I wasn't that smart though
[2017-01-10 16:05:13] l3f : I was just stopped out
[2017-01-10 16:05:24] MikeHunt : l3f: you got the last lifeboat out then?
[2017-01-10 16:05:24] l3f : I thought it might go 10k first
[2017-01-10 16:05:49] l3f : MikeHunt: I did a manual stop loss
[2017-01-10 16:06:08] MikeHunt : i was dumb, shorted 1100 and then re-bought way too early and then accidently shorted the bottom of the drop lol
[2017-01-10 16:06:12] l3f : I'd wake up, eat watch the charts all day
[2017-01-10 16:06:19] l3f : the sleep for 6 hours
[2017-01-10 16:06:22] l3f : and repeat
[2017-01-10 16:06:48] l3f : Because shit was going cray cray
[2017-01-10 16:07:02] l3f : When people like aetholios warn you to get out you know you're on the edge
[2017-01-10 16:07:06] l3f : because all the rational people are leaving
[2017-01-10 16:07:32] MikeHunt : l3f: looking back at the MFI data and usd/cny it should have been obvious
[2017-01-10 16:07:48] l3f : MikeHunt: It could have easily went higher
[2017-01-10 16:07:55] MikeHunt : l3f: cny appreciated, whales pumped it up and nailed it down
[2017-01-10 16:08:03] l3f : no that's an excuse
[2017-01-10 16:08:05] l3f : after it dumped
[2017-01-10 16:08:11] sleger : aethlios is not a genious
[2017-01-10 16:08:20] l3f : we had the same charts
[2017-01-10 16:08:23] sleger : he is still waiting with his bids at 710
[2017-01-10 16:08:26] MikeHunt : l3f: cny appreciated before it dumped
[2017-01-10 16:08:36] l3f : MikeHunt: it still pushed towards 8888.88
[2017-01-10 16:08:39] l3f : it didn't care
[2017-01-10 16:09:05] l3f : It would have pushed past if the whales didn't play dump chicken and one of them chickened out first
[2017-01-10 16:09:16] MikeHunt : l3f: oh yeh i agree with that
[2017-01-10 16:09:25] MikeHunt : could have gone very high with china behind it
[2017-01-10 16:09:26] l3f : sleger: it's true because he missed out most of the gains
[2017-01-10 16:09:36] l3f : those 10% days were the meatiest days alive
[2017-01-10 16:09:45] l3f : but he has a lower risk tolerance
[2017-01-10 16:09:57] sleger : nah he's just too greedy
[2017-01-10 16:10:12] l3f : sleger: this can't be bottom
[2017-01-10 16:10:15] sleger : if there is a large pump he will just miss out and then wait with bids too low forever
[2017-01-10 16:10:24] sleger : it might be, or might not
[2017-01-10 16:10:49] sleger : i just think it doesnt make sense to not have bought some at 900, 850, 800 .... and just wait at 710
[2017-01-10 16:10:51] l3f : You're way smart to realise how many bagholders are up there
[2017-01-10 16:10:52] sleger : greed
[2017-01-10 16:11:01] l3f : He bought at 820
[2017-01-10 16:11:12] sleger : i dont believe that
[2017-01-10 16:11:17] sleger : he said he had his bids at 710
[2017-01-10 16:11:24] l3f : he also said 820 might be bottom
[2017-01-10 16:11:27] sleger : im sure after it rebounded to 900 he said that...
[2017-01-10 16:11:33] sleger : no he said he had his bids at 710
[2017-01-10 16:11:35] l3f : haha
[2017-01-10 16:11:41] l3f : I said my bids were at 770
[2017-01-10 16:11:45] l3f : but i'm a greedy fuck as well
[2017-01-10 16:11:53] sleger : maybe he gives different pictures and then 3 months later reminds everyone how he made "the" right call
[2017-01-10 16:12:14] l3f : everyone plays by their own rules
[2017-01-10 16:12:51] l3f : The way I see it
[2017-01-10 16:12:54] sleger : sure and i do somewhat the same, i just think its not smart to go 100% cash then say im buying everything back at 710
[2017-01-10 16:12:55] l3f : if it goes down then it hits my bids
[2017-01-10 16:12:59] sleger : i do it more progressively
[2017-01-10 16:13:00] MikeHunt : if a lot of people are still up there wouldn't the whales want to nose dive this and crush them?
[2017-01-10 16:13:19] l3f : MikeHunt: well he might reverse psych us
[2017-01-10 16:13:41] l3f : sideways can be used as entry or exit
[2017-01-10 16:13:47] l3f : depending on his intention
[2017-01-10 16:14:01] l3f : And that dump can be used as a shakeout
[2017-01-10 16:14:26] l3f : If it goes up from here and this is bottom, then I'm still net long (all in btc)
[2017-01-10 16:14:30] l3f : if it goes down it hits my bids
[2017-01-10 16:14:32] l3f : that's my play
[2017-01-10 16:14:33] rapidtrades : the Greek has been most accurate out of ppl that post heir calls here
[2017-01-10 16:14:55] sleger : rapidtrades: is he still waiting with bids at 710 ?
[2017-01-10 16:14:59] MikeHunt : l3f: seems hard to take any real position at the moment
[2017-01-10 16:15:02] l3f : rapidtrades: what's your call rapidtrades?
[2017-01-10 16:15:07] l3f : MikeHunt: might be exactly what he wants
[2017-01-10 16:15:39] l3f : rapidtrades: I want to hear what you have to say, when you aren't trolling for once
[2017-01-10 16:16:16] rapidtrades : im net flat...almost
[2017-01-10 16:16:39] l3f : Fontas thinks it's all over
[2017-01-10 16:16:42] l3f : and we'll see 400s again
[2017-01-10 16:16:54] MikeHunt : l3f: i figured it might be them
[2017-01-10 16:19:00] MikeHunt : i suspect they will try to accumulate longs now and then crush them
[2017-01-10 16:20:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 2 @ 0.014945
[2017-01-10 16:20:54] l3f : sleger: where do you think the whale entered?
[2017-01-10 16:21:00] l3f : 400s?
[2017-01-10 16:21:15] sleger : why you guys assume there is "the whale"
[2017-01-10 16:21:43] MikeHunt : sleger: plural
[2017-01-10 16:22:08] sleger : next you're gonna say maybe it's a group of wealthy people who own a large bunch of bitcoins each and meet every 6 months in luxury hotels in big cities and decide what the next move is with respect to manipulating the price, and then have decadent parties ... ;)
[2017-01-10 16:22:46] l3f : sleger: accurately describes your life style
[2017-01-10 16:23:14] MikeHunt : l3f: lol
[2017-01-10 16:23:47] MikeHunt : maybe sledger is a part of fontas, here to keep tabs on us
[2017-01-10 16:23:59] sleger : i'm not so much into the decadent part
[2017-01-10 16:24:04] sleger : what is fontas... ?
[2017-01-10 16:24:09] sleger : never heard :p
[2017-01-10 16:24:27] MikeHunt : look em up on twitter, private PnD group apparently
[2017-01-10 16:24:30] MikeHunt : 2BTC entry fee
[2017-01-10 16:24:45] l3f : fontas is really a joke as a pumper
[2017-01-10 16:24:50] l3f : he's better known for being a big btc holder
[2017-01-10 16:25:04] MikeHunt : i suspect the chinese are the real whales
[2017-01-10 16:25:09] MikeHunt : or have the biggest
[2017-01-10 16:28:28] sleger : i dont have a short term view on bitcoin, could really do anything short term, i am bullish long term
[2017-01-10 16:28:44] sleger : i am more bulllish short term on eth and etc, also some xmr
[2017-01-10 16:29:59] MikeHunt : sleger: ltc?
[2017-01-10 16:30:29] sleger : stopped paying attention to ltc, no position besides the 2600 i discovered on my 0kc futures account recently
[2017-01-10 16:30:48] Alignment : i messed up and my graph is full of indicators how do i remove them? i can't read the charts anymore
[2017-01-10 16:31:05] Alignment : QUICK !
[2017-01-10 16:31:09] Alignment : :D
[2017-01-10 16:31:20] sleger : hold power button for 5 seconds
[2017-01-10 16:31:32] sleger : they will go away
[2017-01-10 16:31:38] MikeHunt : Alignment: right click on indicator then remove
[2017-01-10 16:31:50] Alignment : thx mike
[2017-01-10 16:31:52] MikeHunt : Alignment: wait until finger icon shows up before rightclicking
[2017-01-10 16:31:55] MikeHunt : Alignment: np
[2017-01-10 16:32:35] Alignment : anyone else went short xmr above 150?
[2017-01-10 16:33:18] MikeHunt : Alignment: xmr price bellow market cap
[2017-01-10 16:33:22] MikeHunt : might not be a good idea shorting
[2017-01-10 16:34:18] Alignment : it went up a lot it should come down at 100 at one point
[2017-01-10 16:34:31] Alignment : would be better if we had 30d future tho
[2017-01-10 16:34:42] Alignment : what can i do with settlement in 2d
[2017-01-10 16:35:45] sleger : pay fees
[2017-01-10 16:36:02] sleger : i've been begging for 2 months for 30d on alts
[2017-01-10 16:37:27] Alignment : sleger when you talk about btc whales, how many coins do these whales have?
[2017-01-10 16:38:13] l3f : Alignment: 300 btc+ walls
[2017-01-10 16:38:57] sleger : using leverage that's nothing
[2017-01-10 16:38:58] Alignment : L3f you can't move the market with 300btc
[2017-01-10 16:39:39] l3f : enough to move altcoins
[2017-01-10 16:39:48] l3f : not btc obviously
[2017-01-10 16:39:51] Alignment : and i think we havent seen the bottom yet personally i got greedy and didnt dump the top and now i can't wait we go back to 1K+ so i can dump it
[2017-01-10 16:40:04] Alignment : im sure many think that way too
[2017-01-10 16:40:17] l3f : the more I stay in this troll box the more I'm convinced we aren't going back up there
[2017-01-10 16:40:47] Alignment : l3f well i dont know there is accumulation going on right no
[2017-01-10 16:40:48] Alignment : w
[2017-01-10 16:41:19] l3f : then it must be life support
[2017-01-10 16:41:36] l3f : which means dump incoming and the knives will hurt the hand
[2017-01-10 16:41:54] Alignment : we are still at 900 there was no blood
[2017-01-10 16:42:03] l3f : 900 is life support
[2017-01-10 16:42:07] l3f : if you don't think reaccumulation
[2017-01-10 16:42:25] Alignment : what does that mean life support in that context
[2017-01-10 16:42:41] l3f : whale tested 6600 and it was too unstable
[2017-01-10 16:42:44] l3f : kept getting dumped on
[2017-01-10 16:43:01] l3f : whale's holding price at 6300
[2017-01-10 16:43:04] l3f : to exit slowly
[2017-01-10 16:43:15] l3f : without bears shitting on him too hard
[2017-01-10 16:43:48] Alignment : makes sense
[2017-01-10 16:44:07] l3f : that's life support
[2017-01-10 16:44:13] Alignment : noticed how chinese alts didnt move too yet? (a part from ltc just recently)
[2017-01-10 16:44:39] Alignment : western alts : xmr and eth and etc rallied during btc rise as if the west was preparing for a double top already
[2017-01-10 16:44:54] Alignment : chinese alts lost 50%+ of their value and are on standby
[2017-01-10 16:45:05] l3f : alts pumped is a sign the end is hear
[2017-01-10 16:45:07] l3f : near*
[2017-01-10 16:45:11] l3f : people hedging with alts
[2017-01-10 16:45:26] Alignment : yeah thats what i thought but i got tricked because i thought chinese was leading but they are jus tfollowing USD prices
[2017-01-10 16:46:13] Alignment : i thouht china lead and chinese alts dont rally so china aim to go past towards ATH
[2017-01-10 16:46:55] Alignment : but in the end its usd prices that matters
[2017-01-10 16:47:29] Alignment : so we had west preparing for a double top and hedging VERY EARLY with alts and they made +100% on them in USD
[2017-01-10 16:48:06] Alignment : ETH UP 64% xmr UP 69% etc up 60%
[2017-01-10 16:49:00] Alignment : what does that mean for whats next is the question
[2017-01-10 16:49:01] bingbongfly : wow eth look
[2017-01-10 16:49:28] Alignment : bingbongfly: what?
[2017-01-10 16:49:37] bingbongfly : Alignment: nvm wrong chat sorry
[2017-01-10 16:49:59] sleger : ah cause in another chat it did move ?
[2017-01-10 16:50:02] Alignment : l3f: what do you see next ive bids at 666€ personally
[2017-01-10 16:50:30] l3f : Alignment: I see down
[2017-01-10 16:50:34] l3f : but possible up move first
[2017-01-10 16:50:51] bingbongfly : sleger: no it's out of context ;o
[2017-01-10 16:50:53] l3f : Long term this may go back to 400 again
[2017-01-10 16:51:09] Alignment : i dont see 400 we are just drawing the handle to the cup that wil lbring us to the moon
[2017-01-10 16:52:08] Alignment : last handle bottom post bfx hack was -40% from top
[2017-01-10 16:52:22] Alignment : 1140*0,6 = 684
[2017-01-10 16:52:44] Alignment : bids at 710 are quite smart
[2017-01-10 16:53:01] MikeHunt : Alignment: the cup is a result of PnD's
[2017-01-10 16:53:05] MikeHunt : im not sure how reliable it is
[2017-01-10 16:53:26] MikeHunt : (paranoid mode) for all we know thats the plan, get everyone into perma bull mode and then rape the lot of them
[2017-01-10 16:53:35] Alignment : i got in permabull
[2017-01-10 16:53:53] Alignment : completely forgot about dumping in the 1100 i was aiming at 1800 lmao
[2017-01-10 16:54:13] MikeHunt : entropy always seems to be the victor in the end
[2017-01-10 16:56:12] Alignment : btw, ETH broke the resistance at 120 a few days ago, so its like whales are still hedging
[2017-01-10 16:57:00] Alignment : and LTC started to pump so could be more hedging from west and china
[2017-01-10 16:57:09] Alignment : this all could mean further down for btc
[2017-01-10 16:57:41] rullwull : LTC follows BTC, other alts move different directions
[2017-01-10 16:58:00] MikeHunt : LTC is fucked regardless imo
[2017-01-10 16:58:34] rullwull : LTC is my favourite alt)))
[2017-01-10 16:58:39] l3f : ltc is generally a mess
[2017-01-10 17:00:20] Alignment : athlios thinks whales are accumulating below 1K before they restart the FOMO, i dont see how this scenario fits with bids at 710
[2017-01-10 17:00:44] rullwull : in 2013 i had 25K LTC long at 4$ in bitfinex and closed it at 25$
[2017-01-10 17:01:49] rullwull : also LTC made my 2015 summer, had a huge LTC long in okc futures
[2017-01-10 17:02:01] Alignment : and now are you long rullwull
[2017-01-10 17:02:30] rullwull : no i don't touch it
[2017-01-10 17:02:40] Alignment : what do you touch
[2017-01-10 17:02:46] rullwull : only btc
[2017-01-10 17:02:59] rullwull : f.ck alts
[2017-01-10 17:03:19] Alignment : no money to be made in btc compared to alts
[2017-01-10 17:03:47] rullwull : are you serious?
[2017-01-10 17:04:00] rullwull : look at the last few months chart)
[2017-01-10 17:04:56] Alignment : look at monero graph
[2017-01-10 17:07:38] rullwull : all these alts for kids from polo, be careful, its pure pump and dump schemes
[2017-01-10 17:08:53] MikeHunt : rullwull: +1
[2017-01-10 17:25:11] Alignment : well ltc going up, if you wanna make money gents i suggest you look at alts, not much going on for btc right now until we see some blood
[2017-01-10 17:32:02] kbrn : what kind of software you guys use to keep track of your trades with bitmex .csv?
[2017-01-10 17:32:34] MikeHunt : kbrn: yeh u can download it in ur trade history
[2017-01-10 17:33:09] QuantFocus : ltc and ripple both about to explode
[2017-01-10 17:33:37] kbrn : yes i know but theres something that bothers me: last trades up in the list
[2017-01-10 17:35:08] Alignment : QuantFocus: ripple too?
[2017-01-10 17:35:53] Alignment : can't get myself to buy that shit tho
[2017-01-10 17:36:28] Alignment : its a bad sign for btc too if more alts start to rally it mean more hedging from btc thus more downside for btc
[2017-01-10 17:36:38] Alignment : 700s incoming
[2017-01-10 17:37:48] QuantFocus : not a hedge in this case though
[2017-01-10 17:38:11] QuantFocus : Ripple has been slowly and quietly developing their corporate relationships
[2017-01-10 17:38:14] QuantFocus : then this: http://www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-launch-new-ripple-trading-pairs/
[2017-01-10 17:38:55] QuantFocus : fiat pairs on stamp
[2017-01-10 17:39:37] Alignment : it was already possible to buy it no?
[2017-01-10 17:40:47] QuantFocus : not through any of the major exchanges via fiat, as far as i'm aware
[2017-01-10 17:55:33] Alignment : QuantFocus: true, u buying some?
[2017-01-10 18:05:22] WhyBit : what does bitmex take in fees?
[2017-01-10 18:08:37] MikeHunt : WhyBit: generally 0.15% both ways
[2017-01-10 18:08:48] MikeHunt : 0.15% total*
[2017-01-10 18:09:30] WhyBit : ok, thank you.
[2017-01-10 18:10:09] WhyBit : Does anyone think it will reach 910 next 12 hours?
[2017-01-10 18:17:19] MikeHunt : no idea
[2017-01-10 18:17:32] MikeHunt : this thing looks like it might drop thou
[2017-01-10 18:17:35] MikeHunt : MFI is dropping
[2017-01-10 18:21:14] WhyBit : MikeHunt: I am a beginner here. What is MFI and where can I see it
[2017-01-10 18:23:27] MikeHunt : WhyBit: have you ever traded bitcoin before?
[2017-01-10 18:24:06] WhyBit : MikeHunt: nope. Just bought 1 for trying
[2017-01-10 18:24:33] MikeHunt : WhyBit: i suggest doing paper trades or use test account before spending real money
[2017-01-10 18:24:58] MikeHunt : and learning some stock trading strategies
[2017-01-10 18:25:05] QuantFocus : WhyBit: just go 100x on your first trade
[2017-01-10 18:25:08] QuantFocus : you can do it
[2017-01-10 18:25:11] QuantFocus : retire tomorrow
[2017-01-10 18:25:12] MikeHunt : QuantFocus: lol
[2017-01-10 18:25:41] QuantFocus : why work when you can make a killing day trading? stock traders hate him!
[2017-01-10 18:25:56] WhyBit : MikeHunt: I should yes.
[2017-01-10 18:26:11] QuantFocus : Alignment: i own some, but i added to my position
[2017-01-10 18:26:11] MikeHunt : WhyBit: but will you?
[2017-01-10 18:26:39] WhyBit : MikeHunt: No, I can afford to lose 1 bitcoin learning
[2017-01-10 18:26:49] Alignment : if u go x100 @ 900 and it goes to 899 are u rekt?
[2017-01-10 18:27:23] MikeHunt : Alignment: i think u have a few $ headroom but not much
[2017-01-10 18:27:39] Alignment : im quite good at guessing bottoms
[2017-01-10 18:27:39] WhyBit : I made 5 trades with 10x today and close when i reach 4-5%
[2017-01-10 18:27:49] Alignment : i should put x100 bids v low just in case
[2017-01-10 18:28:05] MikeHunt : WhyBit: you sound like a gambler
[2017-01-10 18:28:10] Alignment : WhyBit: can u give an exemple of a position u had and closed?
[2017-01-10 18:28:11] MikeHunt : WhyBit: not a speculator/trader
[2017-01-10 18:29:09] WhyBit : MikeHunt: I am a gambler yes. But I am hoping to learn by doing
[2017-01-10 18:29:25] MikeHunt : WhyBit: learn what exactly?
[2017-01-10 18:30:02] WhyBit : MikeHunt: strategies. When to go inn and out.
[2017-01-10 18:31:02] WhyBit : I bought 7200@896,84 and sold @900,22
[2017-01-10 18:31:23] Alignment : thats not 5%
[2017-01-10 18:31:38] MikeHunt : WhyBit: so your current strategy is to buy/sell and hope it goes the right way?
[2017-01-10 18:31:49] Alignment : 0,995555556
[2017-01-10 18:32:40] WhyBit : MikeHunt: I am trying to catch the smaller waves and stay out when it moves big.
[2017-01-10 18:33:27] Alignment : WhyBit: the money is in the long term position
[2017-01-10 18:33:38] Alignment : suggestion of a trade
[2017-01-10 18:33:54] Alignment : go long btc in hte low 700 for x10 and hold it until 1800
[2017-01-10 18:34:44] WhyBit : Alignment: So you think it will hit 700 again?
[2017-01-10 18:35:14] Alignment : WhyBit: 70/30 for me it hits it
[2017-01-10 18:35:30] abbey : forecast: btc up soon
[2017-01-10 18:36:00] QuantFocus : Alignment: i was joking about 100x. 10/10 not recommended
[2017-01-10 18:36:25] MikeHunt : ive done 100x right before but i wouldnt recommend it for general use
[2017-01-10 18:36:26] StanTheMan : ltc
[2017-01-10 18:36:27] Alignment : QuantFocus: i wonder if anyone ever went x100 with 10 btc
[2017-01-10 18:36:38] Alignment : MikeHunt: share the story
[2017-01-10 18:37:35] MikeHunt : Alignment: calculated where a dip was going to land, waited for it to settle, bought, sold few minutes later
[2017-01-10 18:37:40] MikeHunt : made 0.1btc
[2017-01-10 18:37:58] QuantFocus : damn, i'm lending ltc at 2% per day on polo
[2017-01-10 18:37:59] QuantFocus : love it
[2017-01-10 18:38:04] Alignment : couldnt you have hold it longer?
[2017-01-10 18:38:10] MikeHunt : Alignment: risky
[2017-01-10 18:38:27] Alignment : i'd love to have a x100 positio at 710
[2017-01-10 18:38:40] QuantFocus : not gunna happen imo
[2017-01-10 18:38:48] QuantFocus : deep deep support at 6250
[2017-01-10 18:38:51] MikeHunt : Alignment: all i know is if everyone gets a good position the funding maxes out
[2017-01-10 18:39:00] anonymous123421 : Alignment: you'd get destroyed by volatility
[2017-01-10 18:39:17] Alignment : MikeHunt: whats the funding
[2017-01-10 18:39:30] MikeHunt : Alignment: in swap u pay/get funding every 8 hours
[2017-01-10 18:39:33] Alignment : MikeHunt: is bitmex the only exchange doing this funding thing? ive never heard of it
[2017-01-10 18:39:39] MikeHunt : not sure
[2017-01-10 18:39:51] Alignment : used to go long on finex and never had to bother with this
[2017-01-10 18:39:53] QuantFocus : they aren't, it's common
[2017-01-10 18:40:00] sleger : Alignment: yes you paid borrow rates
[2017-01-10 18:40:05] sleger : its not the same thing but very similar
[2017-01-10 18:40:07] QuantFocus : it replaces interest on borrowed btc
[2017-01-10 18:40:13] Alignment : ah ok sleger
[2017-01-10 18:40:31] MikeHunt : so by holding a short in the chop, i get ~0.03% every 8 hours
[2017-01-10 18:41:10] Alignment : a short in the chop?
[2017-01-10 18:41:17] MikeHunt : Alignment: yup
[2017-01-10 18:41:18] MikeHunt : insurance
[2017-01-10 18:41:27] MikeHunt : PBOC may announce regs any moment, then down we go
[2017-01-10 18:41:37] Alignment : regs?
[2017-01-10 18:41:40] Alignment : ah regulations
[2017-01-10 18:41:52] MikeHunt : Alignment: yup, govs love regulation and the PRC has the excuse
[2017-01-10 18:41:57] Alignment : but these 0,03% its interest you have to pay not that you get no?
[2017-01-10 18:42:15] MikeHunt : Alignment: positive fee = longs pay, negative fee = shorts pay
[2017-01-10 18:42:38] MikeHunt : pressuming a load of people longed at 810 with high leverage, that benefits me right now
[2017-01-10 18:42:44] MikeHunt : keeping the funding positive supposedly
[2017-01-10 18:43:03] Alignment : ah not everyone pays when they borrow?
[2017-01-10 18:43:13] Alignment : it varies according to your own position
[2017-01-10 18:43:39] MikeHunt : Alignment: iirc its based on the general direction, if BTC going up and everyone long with leverage, a tax is essentially leveyed on going long
[2017-01-10 18:43:44] Alignment : my god so many different things than from other exchanges
[2017-01-10 18:44:08] MikeHunt : the funding pays for the leverage supposedly
[2017-01-10 18:44:12] Alignment : yeah so i was long on kraken at 715€ and paid like 4e in fees
[2017-01-10 18:44:20] Alignment : wonder how much i'd have paid here
[2017-01-10 18:44:28] MikeHunt : in same cases, like peak top, everyone shorts, the funding cant cope so the ADL and insurance pot kicks in
[2017-01-10 18:44:39] MikeHunt : some*
[2017-01-10 18:45:04] Alignment : yeha i heard about that
[2017-01-10 18:45:29] Alignment : so i what's the value of bitmex if there are ADL and funding ? high leverage?
[2017-01-10 18:46:14] MikeHunt : Alignment: if you can speculate well then you can make a lot of money
[2017-01-10 18:46:33] MikeHunt : generally wen going long the ADL doesn't cut in, just the funding goes up to 0.37% per 8 hours
[2017-01-10 18:47:03] Alignment : thats a lot no?
[2017-01-10 18:47:26] MikeHunt : Alignment: depends, if you have a good position then the profits outweigh it heavily
[2017-01-10 18:47:43] Alignment : did you have a long during the rally ? how much did you pay in fees
[2017-01-10 18:48:02] MikeHunt : i went long during some parts of it
[2017-01-10 18:48:11] MikeHunt : generally bought the march future so didnt pay the fee
[2017-01-10 18:48:21] MikeHunt : but it costs more than the swap
[2017-01-10 18:48:22] Alignment : ah yes this future thing no fees why?
[2017-01-10 18:50:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `LTC7D`: buy 80 @ 0.005250
[2017-01-10 18:50:20] Alignment : why guy wnet short
[2017-01-10 18:50:23] Alignment : ltc
[2017-01-10 18:50:28] Alignment : some people have position i dont understand
[2017-01-10 18:50:48] sleger : if nobody was short ltc here then nobody would be long either
[2017-01-10 18:51:14] Alignment : sleger, how many people do oyu think make money trading in % ?
[2017-01-10 18:51:25] sleger : depends where
[2017-01-10 18:51:34] sleger : here maybe 5-10%
[2017-01-10 18:51:43] Alignment : and other places?
[2017-01-10 18:51:49] sleger : like ?
[2017-01-10 18:52:00] Alignment : i dont know u said depend where so im interested why some places differ from others
[2017-01-10 18:52:07] Alignment : i'd have thought it was homegenous
[2017-01-10 18:52:19] sleger : you expect me to make a full list of the 100s of places where one can trade any sort of assets ???
[2017-01-10 18:52:26] Alignment : i mean in general
[2017-01-10 18:52:30] sleger : ....
[2017-01-10 18:52:32] Alignment : is this place harder from others?
[2017-01-10 18:52:40] Alignment : like huobi okcoin
[2017-01-10 18:52:42] sleger : 100x leverage
[2017-01-10 18:52:57] sleger : they have 10-20x
[2017-01-10 18:53:05] Alignment : 100x leverage means lots of fishes come here? then its easier to win?
[2017-01-10 18:53:30] sleger : what yu think
[2017-01-10 18:53:36] Alignment : im trying to compare it to poker where 5% wins and 95% loses but pokersite takes most of it
[2017-01-10 18:54:43] sleger : i'm interested in butterflies
[2017-01-10 18:55:06] Alignment : sleger: do you believe in law of attraction? if so the more you think about butterflies the more you gonna see some
[2017-01-10 18:55:20] Alignment : ive to go eat with my mom see ya
[2017-01-10 18:55:25] sleger : it's not for me it's for my cat
[2017-01-10 18:56:44] ayy_lmao : Alignment: okcoin and bitmex are best for futures
[2017-01-10 18:56:56] ayy_lmao : nothing else comes close imho
[2017-01-10 18:58:36] Adriana : ayy_lmao: are there any other places with crypto futures, but Okcoin and Bitmex?
[2017-01-10 18:59:47] ayy_lmao : simplefx has CFDs, Houbi has a futures exchange called bitvc, and i believe BTCC just opened one
[2017-01-10 18:59:52] sleger : Adriana: bitvc (huobi) , cryptofacilities, deribit
[2017-01-10 19:00:02] ayy_lmao : as for their liquidity not sure
[2017-01-10 19:00:30] sleger : quoine and bitflyer (jpy) have margin trading with high leverage
[2017-01-10 19:00:45] Adriana : ayy_lmao: @sleger thanks!
[2017-01-10 19:02:10] ayy_lmao : i enjoy bitmex's interface over okcoin
[2017-01-10 19:02:14] ayy_lmao : okcoin is too dry
[2017-01-10 19:02:54] ayy_lmao : woodchipper == ok coin btw
[2017-01-10 19:02:57] sleger : yes interface here is better, but the fees are much higher
[2017-01-10 19:03:14] sleger : and the liquidity is better at 0kc
[2017-01-10 19:03:24] sleger : but here you can go with higher leverage
[2017-01-10 19:03:41] sleger : but if you dont need higher leverage then you have less risk of ADL/clawback there
[2017-01-10 19:04:36] Alignment : sleger: but dont u have to be chinese
[2017-01-10 19:04:48] sleger : ??
[2017-01-10 19:04:54] Alignment : to trade on chinese exchanges
[2017-01-10 19:04:57] sleger : go back to eat with your mom
[2017-01-10 19:05:03] Alignment : she's late
[2017-01-10 19:05:14] sleger : your comment(s) make no sense
[2017-01-10 19:05:19] Alignment : lmao
[2017-01-10 19:05:38] Alignment : i meant, i thought you had to be chinese to trade on huobi and okcoin
[2017-01-10 19:05:50] sleger : "Alignment: sleger: but dont u have to be chinese" <= nobody said that
[2017-01-10 19:05:56] Alignment : i was wrong then
[2017-01-10 19:06:19] xulescubtc : guy one word , long or short?
[2017-01-10 19:06:19] Alignment : sleger do you use leverage about 10 sometimes?
[2017-01-10 19:06:20] xulescubtc : btc
[2017-01-10 19:06:20] xulescubtc : ?
[2017-01-10 19:06:21] sleger : Alignment: you see the chinese tab on top of the chat here ?
[2017-01-10 19:06:25] xulescubtc : guys
[2017-01-10 19:06:30] Alignment : sleger: yzq
[2017-01-10 19:06:32] sleger : Please go chat there
[2017-01-10 19:06:34] Alignment : yes
[2017-01-10 19:06:37] Alignment : i dont speak it
[2017-01-10 19:06:42] sleger : you might learn
[2017-01-10 19:06:47] Alignment : different alphabet
[2017-01-10 19:06:50] Alignment : too hard
[2017-01-10 19:06:51] sleger : after a while
[2017-01-10 19:06:54] sleger : try it
[2017-01-10 19:06:59] Alignment : thats how i learn english tho
[2017-01-10 19:07:01] xulescubtc : any advice? long or short?
[2017-01-10 19:07:16] Alignment : xulescubtc: short and take gains in the 700s
[2017-01-10 19:07:32] ayy_lmao : okcoin doesnt allow US customers
[2017-01-10 19:07:33] Alignment : or long and then close under 1100 and then short again
[2017-01-10 19:07:37] ayy_lmao : but neither does bitmex
[2017-01-10 19:07:42] Alignment : k
[2017-01-10 19:07:58] sleger : ayy_lmao: really ? where did you see that ?
[2017-01-10 19:08:02] sleger : for 0kcoin
[2017-01-10 19:08:17] premium_freak : LTC popping nicely
[2017-01-10 19:08:17] ayy_lmao : they stopped letting people trades futures a year ago i beleive
[2017-01-10 19:08:23] premium_freak : I was right with my segwit prediction :)
[2017-01-10 19:08:27] sleger : ayy_lmao: ah only futures maybe
[2017-01-10 19:08:30] ayy_lmao : unless they reverted it since then
[2017-01-10 19:08:32] ayy_lmao : yes only futures
[2017-01-10 19:09:10] ayy_lmao : although 0kcoin's verification is a joke
[2017-01-10 19:09:16] ayy_lmao : i dont even think they check
[2017-01-10 19:09:39] ayy_lmao : just have to make sure you dont forget credentials, else you might get locked out
[2017-01-10 19:09:40] premium_freak : ayy_lmao: be careful, they did call me once when I tried to withdraw BTC
[2017-01-10 19:09:54] ayy_lmao : yup, you just have to remember what you placed
[2017-01-10 19:09:58] premium_freak : ayy_lmao: they were asking for my passport number
[2017-01-10 19:10:06] premium_freak : ayy_lmao: luckily enough I did :p
[2017-01-10 19:10:06] ayy_lmao : had the same happen to me
[2017-01-10 19:10:33] ayy_lmao : i know some people got locked out bc they put fake info and forgot their passport lol
[2017-01-10 19:10:43] premium_freak : ayy_lmao: that's the worst
[2017-01-10 19:11:10] premium_freak : ayy_lmao: who knows one day they may not allow you to withdraw unless you submit a scan of your passport.. you're screwed if you entered a false number
[2017-01-10 19:11:22] ayy_lmao : yeah
[2017-01-10 19:12:18] Nooby : tc will soon touch 1K, less than @ weeks
[2017-01-10 19:12:31] Nooby : btc
[2017-01-10 19:12:35] premium_freak : ayy_lmao: this may very well be their long-term plan.. they'll have thousands of btc in dead accounts who can't verify
[2017-01-10 19:12:45] ayy_lmao : lol
[2017-01-10 19:13:10] ayy_lmao : i mean if the person who "owns" the account cant verify they "own" the funds, then they could claim it
[2017-01-10 19:13:25] premium_freak : yup
[2017-01-10 19:13:28] ayy_lmao : but im not sure about their TOS
[2017-01-10 19:13:44] sleger : if you can prove you own the address that sent the funds it might be easier
[2017-01-10 19:13:57] Nooby : good bye my btc, good bye my friend...you have been the one for me ;)
[2017-01-10 19:19:50] rapidtrades : is Trump in office yet
[2017-01-10 19:20:07] anonymous123421 : not for 10 days I think
[2017-01-10 19:21:17] MikeHunt : anonymous123421: that could cause btc to skyrocket
[2017-01-10 19:21:26] MikeHunt : with his stimulace package etc.
[2017-01-10 19:21:46] anonymous123421 : MikeHunt: yeah I'll have a small long open just incase
[2017-01-10 19:24:03] Nooby : oh yeah btc will raise very soon IMHO
[2017-01-10 19:25:32] Nooby : 902 is still a cheap price compare to what we will have in few days, as soon as Trump get his president office
[2017-01-10 19:26:18] anonymous123421 : It depends on the PBOC and regs in china too
[2017-01-10 19:26:41] Nooby : maybe we will have a chance with a little dump under 890 to reinforce positions? who knows....
[2017-01-10 19:28:34] Nooby : or a pump above 910... who knows...
[2017-01-10 19:28:52] Nooby : buy or sell? what will they do?
[2017-01-10 19:29:28] Nooby : F..CK it pumps ;(
[2017-01-10 19:30:11] Nooby : if it pump again i will loose my short...SH....TTTTT !!!
[2017-01-10 19:30:40] Nooby : oh no !!! guys!!!
[2017-01-10 19:30:54] QuantFocus : oh no indeed
[2017-01-10 19:31:03] aethlios : ltc to the moon???
[2017-01-10 19:31:13] sleger : everyone already knows trump is going in office, it will have ZERO impact on price
[2017-01-10 19:31:18] anonymous123421 : why did you short at the bottom of a dip?
[2017-01-10 19:31:47] Nooby : ?? who say that it was the bottom?? we are not sure
[2017-01-10 19:32:30] Nooby : eh eh you see?!
[2017-01-10 19:32:35] Nooby : DUMP
[2017-01-10 19:32:50] QuantFocus : $0.50?
[2017-01-10 19:32:58] QuantFocus : that constitutes a dump nowadays?
[2017-01-10 19:33:05] anonymous123421 : Lol
[2017-01-10 19:33:17] MikeHunt : on okcoin it looks like it's on life support
[2017-01-10 19:33:25] MikeHunt : just as its about to keel over, zoom climbs then stops
[2017-01-10 19:33:40] Nooby : that,s a little one but it still 0.5
[2017-01-10 19:34:18] anonymous123421 : Nooby: Looks like your dump is reversing
[2017-01-10 19:34:27] Nooby : buy my 25K at 902.52 !!
[2017-01-10 19:34:34] Nooby : please lol