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[2017-01-10 15:07:34] MikeHunt : whales can prevent corrections so they can crush shorts/longs twice rather than once
[2017-01-10 15:08:03] l3f : BTC-Noob: there's people that maxed their credit cards and took payday loans
[2017-01-10 15:08:09] l3f : and got rekt
[2017-01-10 15:08:27] l3f : You'll recover from this
[2017-01-10 15:08:27] abbey : MikeHunt: ok, that's possible
[2017-01-10 15:08:28] anonymous123421 : damn
[2017-01-10 15:08:29] l3f : and do better next time
[2017-01-10 15:08:47] moo : because cultists feed them narrative that you can buy BTC, "dont look for 5 years" and become a millionere
[2017-01-10 15:09:21] moo : if you question btc becoming 1 mil per coin you are a beartroll FUDer with short position
[2017-01-10 15:09:47] MikeHunt : abbey: also if u look at the mean and compared to usd/cny, we are out of sync and overvalued
[2017-01-10 15:11:50] abbey : i expect this floors gonna hold
[2017-01-10 15:12:18] MikeHunt : abbey: if we retest $800 i think it will be very quick
[2017-01-10 15:13:01] BTC-Noob : omg somebody actually send me 0.11 btc, lol thanks whoever it was, i can continue my btc life a bit now haha
[2017-01-10 15:13:24] MikeHunt : who ever just enabled him to gamble even more away....well done...not
[2017-01-10 15:13:27] abbey : i agree, but i bon't think we'll go down there anymore
[2017-01-10 15:13:41] abbey : to mike
[2017-01-10 15:15:36] BTC-Noob : MikeHunt: i am not gambling here, i try to do the necessary research with respect to macro events en monetary policy of major economies influencing price movements major economies and developments in onshore and offshore yuan, with additional technical analysis. wtf are you calling me a gambler for
[2017-01-10 15:16:33] MikeHunt : BTC-Noob: my issue is charity in this case is subsidising failure
[2017-01-10 15:17:10] abbey : MikeHunt: bollinger bands suggest move soon, strong up
[2017-01-10 15:17:28] anonymous123421 : abbey: what timeframe on your chart?
[2017-01-10 15:17:55] BTC-Noob : dont call it charity, here is my address if you want to send some 3BMEXQ5Sf9SN2XTUgG3ejHwKAMFCq2JPkd
[2017-01-10 15:18:04] abbey : okc 1hour
[2017-01-10 15:18:23] abbey : at least
[2017-01-10 15:18:26] MikeHunt : abbey: problem with bollinger bands is they dont predict future movement very well wen their is price manipulation
[2017-01-10 15:19:06] abbey : same with most indicators @MikeHunt
[2017-01-10 15:19:27] MikeHunt : abbey: MFI shows actual money flow
[2017-01-10 15:21:19] abbey : i know, but that's not 100% sure indicator either
[2017-01-10 15:21:23] abbey : none is
[2017-01-10 15:21:29] abbey : MikeHunt:
[2017-01-10 15:22:42] abbey : we'll see how this works out, i'm saying up
[2017-01-10 15:22:49] anonymous123421 : BTC-Noob: https://blockchain.info/address/3BMEXQ5Sf9SN2XTUgG3ejHwKAMFCq2JPkd I don't see any transaction for .11 BTC? Did anyone actually send you anything?
[2017-01-10 15:23:23] shiroe : Up. 6/12hr MACD RSI going up :) stash more btc!
[2017-01-10 15:23:55] sleger : anonymous123421: the guy is a total fraud
[2017-01-10 15:24:14] anonymous123421 : sleger: Figures
[2017-01-10 15:24:39] abbey : shiroe: thats + too
[2017-01-10 15:25:37] MikeHunt : "Final Balance 2.21022949 BTC"
[2017-01-10 15:25:45] MikeHunt : beggar? no? fraudster? maybe?
[2017-01-10 15:28:23] anonymous123421 : MikeHunt: He was begging though, that makes him a beggar and a liar.
[2017-01-10 15:28:49] MikeHunt : anonymous123421: yeh
[2017-01-10 15:28:57] l3f : sleger: I think the fact that retail investors have finally been cleaned
[2017-01-10 15:28:59] l3f : is a bearish sign
[2017-01-10 15:29:24] sleger : who said retail have been "cleaned" ?
[2017-01-10 15:29:35] MikeHunt : ive noticed the china pumps are weak/none existant at the moment
[2017-01-10 15:29:41] l3f : well let's just say that judging by the amount of people cleaned so far
[2017-01-10 15:30:49] anonymous123421 : l3f: You can count me among them, I'm here to try and learn how to avoid bad trades.
[2017-01-10 15:33:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 1590 @ 928.37
[2017-01-10 15:33:33] MikeHunt : also on bitcoinity the buying rate is negative
[2017-01-10 15:33:34] rapidtrades : guise?
[2017-01-10 15:34:02] rapidtrades : sleger the last bull standing
[2017-01-10 15:34:08] MikeHunt : if china really aint interested anymore then its sharp downard imo
[2017-01-10 15:34:09] rapidtrades : buying BTC, buying ETH
[2017-01-10 15:35:12] FreeMoney : ive watched so many noobs fleeced past few days
[2017-01-10 15:35:36] l3f : rapidtrades: I'm still bullish
[2017-01-10 15:35:38] FreeMoney : they need a week/fortnight until pay check
[2017-01-10 15:35:40] rapidtrades : and how exactly did u 'watch' that?
[2017-01-10 15:36:15] l3f : rapidtrades: If only they heeded your warning
[2017-01-10 15:36:31] FreeMoney : rapidtrades: come on, even you can figure it out. New faces, new tears and new money we all took
[2017-01-10 15:37:10] l3f : FreeMoney: It's true
[2017-01-10 15:37:15] l3f : I was here ~800s
[2017-01-10 15:37:17] l3f : rapidtrades my bro
[2017-01-10 15:37:21] l3f : we were best friends
[2017-01-10 15:37:38] l3f : So many new faces once it was pushing to 1k
[2017-01-10 15:37:45] l3f : and now these are the faces of rekt
[2017-01-10 15:37:48] FreeMoney : and now they all fucked
[2017-01-10 15:38:03] l3f : I taught them to buy and hold
[2017-01-10 15:38:09] FreeMoney : nice
[2017-01-10 15:38:21] l3f : I taught them to buy the dips
[2017-01-10 15:38:28] FreeMoney : add collateral to bleeding margin?
[2017-01-10 15:38:42] l3f : I closed my long on them
[2017-01-10 15:38:55] FreeMoney : to "double down" your average buy?
[2017-01-10 15:38:58] l3f : I saw them liquidate at my closing price
[2017-01-10 15:39:03] l3f : during the final dump
[2017-01-10 15:39:05] l3f : I killed them
[2017-01-10 15:39:11] l3f : even the younglings
[2017-01-10 15:39:14] FreeMoney : thats so erotic
[2017-01-10 15:39:33] FreeMoney : lol wtf I posted that before you wrote that shit
[2017-01-10 15:40:00] rapidtrades : FreeMoney: don't lie
[2017-01-10 15:40:06] rapidtrades : ....sicko
[2017-01-10 15:40:32] l3f : rapidtrades: up or down?
[2017-01-10 15:40:37] l3f : rapidbears
[2017-01-10 15:41:09] FreeMoney : im not touching it until it stages higher so I can short on the fakeout or lower in the blood
[2017-01-10 15:41:38] l3f : My analysis is that there's many people trapped up high
[2017-01-10 15:41:43] l3f : so even if we go up we won't go back to 1k
[2017-01-10 15:41:54] FreeMoney : agreed
[2017-01-10 15:42:01] FreeMoney : not until end of year
[2017-01-10 15:42:10] l3f : as in even if we push they'll try and give us their bags
[2017-01-10 15:53:42] MikeHunt : l3f: so you purposefully gave bad advice?
[2017-01-10 15:56:40] shiroe : Stash! macd rsi going up, exit at 7k okc in a week :P
[2017-01-10 16:03:47] l3f : MikeHunt: No I was buying and holding as well
[2017-01-10 16:04:13] l3f : But when it rises 10% in a single day you know it's the god damn top
[2017-01-10 16:05:10] l3f : I wasn't that smart though
[2017-01-10 16:05:13] l3f : I was just stopped out
[2017-01-10 16:05:24] MikeHunt : l3f: you got the last lifeboat out then?
[2017-01-10 16:05:24] l3f : I thought it might go 10k first
[2017-01-10 16:05:49] l3f : MikeHunt: I did a manual stop loss
[2017-01-10 16:06:08] MikeHunt : i was dumb, shorted 1100 and then re-bought way too early and then accidently shorted the bottom of the drop lol
[2017-01-10 16:06:12] l3f : I'd wake up, eat watch the charts all day
[2017-01-10 16:06:19] l3f : the sleep for 6 hours
[2017-01-10 16:06:22] l3f : and repeat
[2017-01-10 16:06:48] l3f : Because shit was going cray cray
[2017-01-10 16:07:02] l3f : When people like aetholios warn you to get out you know you're on the edge
[2017-01-10 16:07:06] l3f : because all the rational people are leaving
[2017-01-10 16:07:32] MikeHunt : l3f: looking back at the MFI data and usd/cny it should have been obvious
[2017-01-10 16:07:48] l3f : MikeHunt: It could have easily went higher
[2017-01-10 16:07:55] MikeHunt : l3f: cny appreciated, whales pumped it up and nailed it down
[2017-01-10 16:08:03] l3f : no that's an excuse
[2017-01-10 16:08:05] l3f : after it dumped
[2017-01-10 16:08:11] sleger : aethlios is not a genious
[2017-01-10 16:08:20] l3f : we had the same charts
[2017-01-10 16:08:23] sleger : he is still waiting with his bids at 710
[2017-01-10 16:08:26] MikeHunt : l3f: cny appreciated before it dumped
[2017-01-10 16:08:36] l3f : MikeHunt: it still pushed towards 8888.88
[2017-01-10 16:08:39] l3f : it didn't care
[2017-01-10 16:09:05] l3f : It would have pushed past if the whales didn't play dump chicken and one of them chickened out first
[2017-01-10 16:09:16] MikeHunt : l3f: oh yeh i agree with that
[2017-01-10 16:09:25] MikeHunt : could have gone very high with china behind it
[2017-01-10 16:09:26] l3f : sleger: it's true because he missed out most of the gains
[2017-01-10 16:09:36] l3f : those 10% days were the meatiest days alive
[2017-01-10 16:09:45] l3f : but he has a lower risk tolerance
[2017-01-10 16:09:57] sleger : nah he's just too greedy
[2017-01-10 16:10:12] l3f : sleger: this can't be bottom
[2017-01-10 16:10:15] sleger : if there is a large pump he will just miss out and then wait with bids too low forever
[2017-01-10 16:10:24] sleger : it might be, or might not
[2017-01-10 16:10:49] sleger : i just think it doesnt make sense to not have bought some at 900, 850, 800 .... and just wait at 710
[2017-01-10 16:10:51] l3f : You're way smart to realise how many bagholders are up there
[2017-01-10 16:10:52] sleger : greed
[2017-01-10 16:11:01] l3f : He bought at 820
[2017-01-10 16:11:12] sleger : i dont believe that
[2017-01-10 16:11:17] sleger : he said he had his bids at 710
[2017-01-10 16:11:24] l3f : he also said 820 might be bottom
[2017-01-10 16:11:27] sleger : im sure after it rebounded to 900 he said that...
[2017-01-10 16:11:33] sleger : no he said he had his bids at 710
[2017-01-10 16:11:35] l3f : haha
[2017-01-10 16:11:41] l3f : I said my bids were at 770
[2017-01-10 16:11:45] l3f : but i'm a greedy fuck as well
[2017-01-10 16:11:53] sleger : maybe he gives different pictures and then 3 months later reminds everyone how he made "the" right call
[2017-01-10 16:12:14] l3f : everyone plays by their own rules
[2017-01-10 16:12:51] l3f : The way I see it
[2017-01-10 16:12:54] sleger : sure and i do somewhat the same, i just think its not smart to go 100% cash then say im buying everything back at 710
[2017-01-10 16:12:55] l3f : if it goes down then it hits my bids
[2017-01-10 16:12:59] sleger : i do it more progressively
[2017-01-10 16:13:00] MikeHunt : if a lot of people are still up there wouldn't the whales want to nose dive this and crush them?
[2017-01-10 16:13:19] l3f : MikeHunt: well he might reverse psych us
[2017-01-10 16:13:41] l3f : sideways can be used as entry or exit
[2017-01-10 16:13:47] l3f : depending on his intention
[2017-01-10 16:14:01] l3f : And that dump can be used as a shakeout
[2017-01-10 16:14:26] l3f : If it goes up from here and this is bottom, then I'm still net long (all in btc)
[2017-01-10 16:14:30] l3f : if it goes down it hits my bids
[2017-01-10 16:14:32] l3f : that's my play
[2017-01-10 16:14:33] rapidtrades : the Greek has been most accurate out of ppl that post heir calls here
[2017-01-10 16:14:55] sleger : rapidtrades: is he still waiting with bids at 710 ?
[2017-01-10 16:14:59] MikeHunt : l3f: seems hard to take any real position at the moment
[2017-01-10 16:15:02] l3f : rapidtrades: what's your call rapidtrades?
[2017-01-10 16:15:07] l3f : MikeHunt: might be exactly what he wants
[2017-01-10 16:15:39] l3f : rapidtrades: I want to hear what you have to say, when you aren't trolling for once
[2017-01-10 16:16:16] rapidtrades : im net flat...almost
[2017-01-10 16:16:39] l3f : Fontas thinks it's all over
[2017-01-10 16:16:42] l3f : and we'll see 400s again
[2017-01-10 16:16:54] MikeHunt : l3f: i figured it might be them
[2017-01-10 16:19:00] MikeHunt : i suspect they will try to accumulate longs now and then crush them
[2017-01-10 16:20:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 2 @ 0.014945
[2017-01-10 16:20:54] l3f : sleger: where do you think the whale entered?
[2017-01-10 16:21:00] l3f : 400s?
[2017-01-10 16:21:15] sleger : why you guys assume there is "the whale"
[2017-01-10 16:21:43] MikeHunt : sleger: plural
[2017-01-10 16:22:08] sleger : next you're gonna say maybe it's a group of wealthy people who own a large bunch of bitcoins each and meet every 6 months in luxury hotels in big cities and decide what the next move is with respect to manipulating the price, and then have decadent parties ... ;)
[2017-01-10 16:22:46] l3f : sleger: accurately describes your life style
[2017-01-10 16:23:14] MikeHunt : l3f: lol
[2017-01-10 16:23:47] MikeHunt : maybe sledger is a part of fontas, here to keep tabs on us
[2017-01-10 16:23:59] sleger : i'm not so much into the decadent part
[2017-01-10 16:24:04] sleger : what is fontas... ?
[2017-01-10 16:24:09] sleger : never heard :p
[2017-01-10 16:24:27] MikeHunt : look em up on twitter, private PnD group apparently
[2017-01-10 16:24:30] MikeHunt : 2BTC entry fee
[2017-01-10 16:24:45] l3f : fontas is really a joke as a pumper
[2017-01-10 16:24:50] l3f : he's better known for being a big btc holder
[2017-01-10 16:25:04] MikeHunt : i suspect the chinese are the real whales
[2017-01-10 16:25:09] MikeHunt : or have the biggest
[2017-01-10 16:28:28] sleger : i dont have a short term view on bitcoin, could really do anything short term, i am bullish long term
[2017-01-10 16:28:44] sleger : i am more bulllish short term on eth and etc, also some xmr
[2017-01-10 16:29:59] MikeHunt : sleger: ltc?
[2017-01-10 16:30:29] sleger : stopped paying attention to ltc, no position besides the 2600 i discovered on my 0kc futures account recently
[2017-01-10 16:30:48] Alignment : i messed up and my graph is full of indicators how do i remove them? i can't read the charts anymore
[2017-01-10 16:31:05] Alignment : QUICK !
[2017-01-10 16:31:09] Alignment : :D
[2017-01-10 16:31:20] sleger : hold power button for 5 seconds
[2017-01-10 16:31:32] sleger : they will go away
[2017-01-10 16:31:38] MikeHunt : Alignment: right click on indicator then remove
[2017-01-10 16:31:50] Alignment : thx mike
[2017-01-10 16:31:52] MikeHunt : Alignment: wait until finger icon shows up before rightclicking
[2017-01-10 16:31:55] MikeHunt : Alignment: np
[2017-01-10 16:32:35] Alignment : anyone else went short xmr above 150?
[2017-01-10 16:33:18] MikeHunt : Alignment: xmr price bellow market cap
[2017-01-10 16:33:22] MikeHunt : might not be a good idea shorting
[2017-01-10 16:34:18] Alignment : it went up a lot it should come down at 100 at one point
[2017-01-10 16:34:31] Alignment : would be better if we had 30d future tho
[2017-01-10 16:34:42] Alignment : what can i do with settlement in 2d
[2017-01-10 16:35:45] sleger : pay fees
[2017-01-10 16:36:02] sleger : i've been begging for 2 months for 30d on alts
[2017-01-10 16:37:27] Alignment : sleger when you talk about btc whales, how many coins do these whales have?
[2017-01-10 16:38:13] l3f : Alignment: 300 btc+ walls
[2017-01-10 16:38:57] sleger : using leverage that's nothing
[2017-01-10 16:38:58] Alignment : L3f you can't move the market with 300btc
[2017-01-10 16:39:39] l3f : enough to move altcoins
[2017-01-10 16:39:48] l3f : not btc obviously
[2017-01-10 16:39:51] Alignment : and i think we havent seen the bottom yet personally i got greedy and didnt dump the top and now i can't wait we go back to 1K+ so i can dump it
[2017-01-10 16:40:04] Alignment : im sure many think that way too
[2017-01-10 16:40:17] l3f : the more I stay in this troll box the more I'm convinced we aren't going back up there
[2017-01-10 16:40:47] Alignment : l3f well i dont know there is accumulation going on right no
[2017-01-10 16:40:48] Alignment : w
[2017-01-10 16:41:19] l3f : then it must be life support
[2017-01-10 16:41:36] l3f : which means dump incoming and the knives will hurt the hand
[2017-01-10 16:41:54] Alignment : we are still at 900 there was no blood
[2017-01-10 16:42:03] l3f : 900 is life support
[2017-01-10 16:42:07] l3f : if you don't think reaccumulation
[2017-01-10 16:42:25] Alignment : what does that mean life support in that context
[2017-01-10 16:42:41] l3f : whale tested 6600 and it was too unstable
[2017-01-10 16:42:44] l3f : kept getting dumped on
[2017-01-10 16:43:01] l3f : whale's holding price at 6300
[2017-01-10 16:43:04] l3f : to exit slowly
[2017-01-10 16:43:15] l3f : without bears shitting on him too hard
[2017-01-10 16:43:48] Alignment : makes sense
[2017-01-10 16:44:07] l3f : that's life support
[2017-01-10 16:44:13] Alignment : noticed how chinese alts didnt move too yet? (a part from ltc just recently)
[2017-01-10 16:44:39] Alignment : western alts : xmr and eth and etc rallied during btc rise as if the west was preparing for a double top already
[2017-01-10 16:44:54] Alignment : chinese alts lost 50%+ of their value and are on standby
[2017-01-10 16:45:05] l3f : alts pumped is a sign the end is hear
[2017-01-10 16:45:07] l3f : near*
[2017-01-10 16:45:11] l3f : people hedging with alts
[2017-01-10 16:45:26] Alignment : yeah thats what i thought but i got tricked because i thought chinese was leading but they are jus tfollowing USD prices
[2017-01-10 16:46:13] Alignment : i thouht china lead and chinese alts dont rally so china aim to go past towards ATH
[2017-01-10 16:46:55] Alignment : but in the end its usd prices that matters
[2017-01-10 16:47:29] Alignment : so we had west preparing for a double top and hedging VERY EARLY with alts and they made +100% on them in USD
[2017-01-10 16:48:06] Alignment : ETH UP 64% xmr UP 69% etc up 60%
[2017-01-10 16:49:00] Alignment : what does that mean for whats next is the question
[2017-01-10 16:49:01] bingbongfly : wow eth look
[2017-01-10 16:49:28] Alignment : bingbongfly: what?
[2017-01-10 16:49:37] bingbongfly : Alignment: nvm wrong chat sorry
[2017-01-10 16:49:59] sleger : ah cause in another chat it did move ?
[2017-01-10 16:50:02] Alignment : l3f: what do you see next ive bids at 666€ personally
[2017-01-10 16:50:30] l3f : Alignment: I see down
[2017-01-10 16:50:34] l3f : but possible up move first
[2017-01-10 16:50:51] bingbongfly : sleger: no it's out of context ;o
[2017-01-10 16:50:53] l3f : Long term this may go back to 400 again
[2017-01-10 16:51:09] Alignment : i dont see 400 we are just drawing the handle to the cup that wil lbring us to the moon
[2017-01-10 16:52:08] Alignment : last handle bottom post bfx hack was -40% from top
[2017-01-10 16:52:22] Alignment : 1140*0,6 = 684
[2017-01-10 16:52:44] Alignment : bids at 710 are quite smart
[2017-01-10 16:53:01] MikeHunt : Alignment: the cup is a result of PnD's
[2017-01-10 16:53:05] MikeHunt : im not sure how reliable it is
[2017-01-10 16:53:26] MikeHunt : (paranoid mode) for all we know thats the plan, get everyone into perma bull mode and then rape the lot of them
[2017-01-10 16:53:35] Alignment : i got in permabull
[2017-01-10 16:53:53] Alignment : completely forgot about dumping in the 1100 i was aiming at 1800 lmao
[2017-01-10 16:54:13] MikeHunt : entropy always seems to be the victor in the end
[2017-01-10 16:56:12] Alignment : btw, ETH broke the resistance at 120 a few days ago, so its like whales are still hedging
[2017-01-10 16:57:00] Alignment : and LTC started to pump so could be more hedging from west and china
[2017-01-10 16:57:09] Alignment : this all could mean further down for btc
[2017-01-10 16:57:41] rullwull : LTC follows BTC, other alts move different directions
[2017-01-10 16:58:00] MikeHunt : LTC is fucked regardless imo
[2017-01-10 16:58:34] rullwull : LTC is my favourite alt)))
[2017-01-10 16:58:39] l3f : ltc is generally a mess
[2017-01-10 17:00:20] Alignment : athlios thinks whales are accumulating below 1K before they restart the FOMO, i dont see how this scenario fits with bids at 710
[2017-01-10 17:00:44] rullwull : in 2013 i had 25K LTC long at 4$ in bitfinex and closed it at 25$
[2017-01-10 17:01:49] rullwull : also LTC made my 2015 summer, had a huge LTC long in okc futures
[2017-01-10 17:02:01] Alignment : and now are you long rullwull
[2017-01-10 17:02:30] rullwull : no i don't touch it
[2017-01-10 17:02:40] Alignment : what do you touch
[2017-01-10 17:02:46] rullwull : only btc
[2017-01-10 17:02:59] rullwull : f.ck alts
[2017-01-10 17:03:19] Alignment : no money to be made in btc compared to alts
[2017-01-10 17:03:47] rullwull : are you serious?
[2017-01-10 17:04:00] rullwull : look at the last few months chart)
[2017-01-10 17:04:56] Alignment : look at monero graph
[2017-01-10 17:07:38] rullwull : all these alts for kids from polo, be careful, its pure pump and dump schemes
[2017-01-10 17:08:53] MikeHunt : rullwull: +1
[2017-01-10 17:25:11] Alignment : well ltc going up, if you wanna make money gents i suggest you look at alts, not much going on for btc right now until we see some blood
[2017-01-10 17:32:02] kbrn : what kind of software you guys use to keep track of your trades with bitmex .csv?
[2017-01-10 17:32:34] MikeHunt : kbrn: yeh u can download it in ur trade history
[2017-01-10 17:33:09] QuantFocus : ltc and ripple both about to explode
[2017-01-10 17:33:37] kbrn : yes i know but theres something that bothers me: last trades up in the list
[2017-01-10 17:35:08] Alignment : QuantFocus: ripple too?
[2017-01-10 17:35:53] Alignment : can't get myself to buy that shit tho
[2017-01-10 17:36:28] Alignment : its a bad sign for btc too if more alts start to rally it mean more hedging from btc thus more downside for btc
[2017-01-10 17:36:38] Alignment : 700s incoming
[2017-01-10 17:37:48] QuantFocus : not a hedge in this case though
[2017-01-10 17:38:11] QuantFocus : Ripple has been slowly and quietly developing their corporate relationships
[2017-01-10 17:38:14] QuantFocus : then this: http://www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-launch-new-ripple-trading-pairs/
[2017-01-10 17:38:55] QuantFocus : fiat pairs on stamp
[2017-01-10 17:39:37] Alignment : it was already possible to buy it no?
[2017-01-10 17:40:47] QuantFocus : not through any of the major exchanges via fiat, as far as i'm aware
[2017-01-10 17:55:33] Alignment : QuantFocus: true, u buying some?
[2017-01-10 18:05:22] WhyBit : what does bitmex take in fees?
[2017-01-10 18:08:37] MikeHunt : WhyBit: generally 0.15% both ways
[2017-01-10 18:08:48] MikeHunt : 0.15% total*
[2017-01-10 18:09:30] WhyBit : ok, thank you.
[2017-01-10 18:10:09] WhyBit : Does anyone think it will reach 910 next 12 hours?
[2017-01-10 18:17:19] MikeHunt : no idea
[2017-01-10 18:17:32] MikeHunt : this thing looks like it might drop thou
[2017-01-10 18:17:35] MikeHunt : MFI is dropping
[2017-01-10 18:21:14] WhyBit : MikeHunt: I am a beginner here. What is MFI and where can I see it
[2017-01-10 18:23:27] MikeHunt : WhyBit: have you ever traded bitcoin before?
[2017-01-10 18:24:06] WhyBit : MikeHunt: nope. Just bought 1 for trying
[2017-01-10 18:24:33] MikeHunt : WhyBit: i suggest doing paper trades or use test account before spending real money
[2017-01-10 18:24:58] MikeHunt : and learning some stock trading strategies
[2017-01-10 18:25:05] QuantFocus : WhyBit: just go 100x on your first trade
[2017-01-10 18:25:08] QuantFocus : you can do it
[2017-01-10 18:25:11] QuantFocus : retire tomorrow
[2017-01-10 18:25:12] MikeHunt : QuantFocus: lol
[2017-01-10 18:25:41] QuantFocus : why work when you can make a killing day trading? stock traders hate him!
[2017-01-10 18:25:56] WhyBit : MikeHunt: I should yes.
[2017-01-10 18:26:11] QuantFocus : Alignment: i own some, but i added to my position
[2017-01-10 18:26:11] MikeHunt : WhyBit: but will you?
[2017-01-10 18:26:39] WhyBit : MikeHunt: No, I can afford to lose 1 bitcoin learning
[2017-01-10 18:26:49] Alignment : if u go x100 @ 900 and it goes to 899 are u rekt?
[2017-01-10 18:27:23] MikeHunt : Alignment: i think u have a few $ headroom but not much
[2017-01-10 18:27:39] Alignment : im quite good at guessing bottoms
[2017-01-10 18:27:39] WhyBit : I made 5 trades with 10x today and close when i reach 4-5%
[2017-01-10 18:27:49] Alignment : i should put x100 bids v low just in case
[2017-01-10 18:28:05] MikeHunt : WhyBit: you sound like a gambler
[2017-01-10 18:28:10] Alignment : WhyBit: can u give an exemple of a position u had and closed?
[2017-01-10 18:28:11] MikeHunt : WhyBit: not a speculator/trader
[2017-01-10 18:29:09] WhyBit : MikeHunt: I am a gambler yes. But I am hoping to learn by doing
[2017-01-10 18:29:25] MikeHunt : WhyBit: learn what exactly?
[2017-01-10 18:30:02] WhyBit : MikeHunt: strategies. When to go inn and out.
[2017-01-10 18:31:02] WhyBit : I bought 7200@896,84 and sold @900,22
[2017-01-10 18:31:23] Alignment : thats not 5%
[2017-01-10 18:31:38] MikeHunt : WhyBit: so your current strategy is to buy/sell and hope it goes the right way?
[2017-01-10 18:31:49] Alignment : 0,995555556
[2017-01-10 18:32:40] WhyBit : MikeHunt: I am trying to catch the smaller waves and stay out when it moves big.
[2017-01-10 18:33:27] Alignment : WhyBit: the money is in the long term position
[2017-01-10 18:33:38] Alignment : suggestion of a trade
[2017-01-10 18:33:54] Alignment : go long btc in hte low 700 for x10 and hold it until 1800
[2017-01-10 18:34:44] WhyBit : Alignment: So you think it will hit 700 again?
[2017-01-10 18:35:14] Alignment : WhyBit: 70/30 for me it hits it
[2017-01-10 18:35:30] abbey : forecast: btc up soon
[2017-01-10 18:36:00] QuantFocus : Alignment: i was joking about 100x. 10/10 not recommended
[2017-01-10 18:36:25] MikeHunt : ive done 100x right before but i wouldnt recommend it for general use
[2017-01-10 18:36:26] StanTheMan : ltc
[2017-01-10 18:36:27] Alignment : QuantFocus: i wonder if anyone ever went x100 with 10 btc
[2017-01-10 18:36:38] Alignment : MikeHunt: share the story
[2017-01-10 18:37:35] MikeHunt : Alignment: calculated where a dip was going to land, waited for it to settle, bought, sold few minutes later
[2017-01-10 18:37:40] MikeHunt : made 0.1btc
[2017-01-10 18:37:58] QuantFocus : damn, i'm lending ltc at 2% per day on polo
[2017-01-10 18:37:59] QuantFocus : love it
[2017-01-10 18:38:04] Alignment : couldnt you have hold it longer?
[2017-01-10 18:38:10] MikeHunt : Alignment: risky
[2017-01-10 18:38:27] Alignment : i'd love to have a x100 positio at 710
[2017-01-10 18:38:40] QuantFocus : not gunna happen imo
[2017-01-10 18:38:48] QuantFocus : deep deep support at 6250
[2017-01-10 18:38:51] MikeHunt : Alignment: all i know is if everyone gets a good position the funding maxes out
[2017-01-10 18:39:00] anonymous123421 : Alignment: you'd get destroyed by volatility
[2017-01-10 18:39:17] Alignment : MikeHunt: whats the funding
[2017-01-10 18:39:30] MikeHunt : Alignment: in swap u pay/get funding every 8 hours
[2017-01-10 18:39:33] Alignment : MikeHunt: is bitmex the only exchange doing this funding thing? ive never heard of it
[2017-01-10 18:39:39] MikeHunt : not sure
[2017-01-10 18:39:51] Alignment : used to go long on finex and never had to bother with this
[2017-01-10 18:39:53] QuantFocus : they aren't, it's common
[2017-01-10 18:40:00] sleger : Alignment: yes you paid borrow rates
[2017-01-10 18:40:05] sleger : its not the same thing but very similar
[2017-01-10 18:40:07] QuantFocus : it replaces interest on borrowed btc
[2017-01-10 18:40:13] Alignment : ah ok sleger
[2017-01-10 18:40:31] MikeHunt : so by holding a short in the chop, i get ~0.03% every 8 hours
[2017-01-10 18:41:10] Alignment : a short in the chop?
[2017-01-10 18:41:17] MikeHunt : Alignment: yup
[2017-01-10 18:41:18] MikeHunt : insurance
[2017-01-10 18:41:27] MikeHunt : PBOC may announce regs any moment, then down we go
[2017-01-10 18:41:37] Alignment : regs?
[2017-01-10 18:41:40] Alignment : ah regulations
[2017-01-10 18:41:52] MikeHunt : Alignment: yup, govs love regulation and the PRC has the excuse
[2017-01-10 18:41:57] Alignment : but these 0,03% its interest you have to pay not that you get no?
[2017-01-10 18:42:15] MikeHunt : Alignment: positive fee = longs pay, negative fee = shorts pay
[2017-01-10 18:42:38] MikeHunt : pressuming a load of people longed at 810 with high leverage, that benefits me right now
[2017-01-10 18:42:44] MikeHunt : keeping the funding positive supposedly
[2017-01-10 18:43:03] Alignment : ah not everyone pays when they borrow?
[2017-01-10 18:43:13] Alignment : it varies according to your own position
[2017-01-10 18:43:39] MikeHunt : Alignment: iirc its based on the general direction, if BTC going up and everyone long with leverage, a tax is essentially leveyed on going long
[2017-01-10 18:43:44] Alignment : my god so many different things than from other exchanges
[2017-01-10 18:44:08] MikeHunt : the funding pays for the leverage supposedly
[2017-01-10 18:44:12] Alignment : yeah so i was long on kraken at 715€ and paid like 4e in fees
[2017-01-10 18:44:20] Alignment : wonder how much i'd have paid here
[2017-01-10 18:44:28] MikeHunt : in same cases, like peak top, everyone shorts, the funding cant cope so the ADL and insurance pot kicks in
[2017-01-10 18:44:39] MikeHunt : some*
[2017-01-10 18:45:04] Alignment : yeha i heard about that
[2017-01-10 18:45:29] Alignment : so i what's the value of bitmex if there are ADL and funding ? high leverage?
[2017-01-10 18:46:14] MikeHunt : Alignment: if you can speculate well then you can make a lot of money
[2017-01-10 18:46:33] MikeHunt : generally wen going long the ADL doesn't cut in, just the funding goes up to 0.37% per 8 hours
[2017-01-10 18:47:03] Alignment : thats a lot no?
[2017-01-10 18:47:26] MikeHunt : Alignment: depends, if you have a good position then the profits outweigh it heavily
[2017-01-10 18:47:43] Alignment : did you have a long during the rally ? how much did you pay in fees
[2017-01-10 18:48:02] MikeHunt : i went long during some parts of it
[2017-01-10 18:48:11] MikeHunt : generally bought the march future so didnt pay the fee
[2017-01-10 18:48:21] MikeHunt : but it costs more than the swap
[2017-01-10 18:48:22] Alignment : ah yes this future thing no fees why?
[2017-01-10 18:50:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `LTC7D`: buy 80 @ 0.005250
[2017-01-10 18:50:20] Alignment : why guy wnet short
[2017-01-10 18:50:23] Alignment : ltc
[2017-01-10 18:50:28] Alignment : some people have position i dont understand
[2017-01-10 18:50:48] sleger : if nobody was short ltc here then nobody would be long either
[2017-01-10 18:51:14] Alignment : sleger, how many people do oyu think make money trading in % ?
[2017-01-10 18:51:25] sleger : depends where
[2017-01-10 18:51:34] sleger : here maybe 5-10%
[2017-01-10 18:51:43] Alignment : and other places?
[2017-01-10 18:51:49] sleger : like ?
[2017-01-10 18:52:00] Alignment : i dont know u said depend where so im interested why some places differ from others
[2017-01-10 18:52:07] Alignment : i'd have thought it was homegenous
[2017-01-10 18:52:19] sleger : you expect me to make a full list of the 100s of places where one can trade any sort of assets ???
[2017-01-10 18:52:26] Alignment : i mean in general
[2017-01-10 18:52:30] sleger : ....
[2017-01-10 18:52:32] Alignment : is this place harder from others?
[2017-01-10 18:52:40] Alignment : like huobi okcoin
[2017-01-10 18:52:42] sleger : 100x leverage
[2017-01-10 18:52:57] sleger : they have 10-20x
[2017-01-10 18:53:05] Alignment : 100x leverage means lots of fishes come here? then its easier to win?
[2017-01-10 18:53:30] sleger : what yu think
[2017-01-10 18:53:36] Alignment : im trying to compare it to poker where 5% wins and 95% loses but pokersite takes most of it
[2017-01-10 18:54:43] sleger : i'm interested in butterflies
[2017-01-10 18:55:06] Alignment : sleger: do you believe in law of attraction? if so the more you think about butterflies the more you gonna see some
[2017-01-10 18:55:20] Alignment : ive to go eat with my mom see ya
[2017-01-10 18:55:25] sleger : it's not for me it's for my cat
[2017-01-10 18:56:44] ayy_lmao : Alignment: okcoin and bitmex are best for futures
[2017-01-10 18:56:56] ayy_lmao : nothing else comes close imho
[2017-01-10 18:58:36] Adriana : ayy_lmao: are there any other places with crypto futures, but Okcoin and Bitmex?
[2017-01-10 18:59:47] ayy_lmao : simplefx has CFDs, Houbi has a futures exchange called bitvc, and i believe BTCC just opened one
[2017-01-10 18:59:52] sleger : Adriana: bitvc (huobi) , cryptofacilities, deribit
[2017-01-10 19:00:02] ayy_lmao : as for their liquidity not sure
[2017-01-10 19:00:30] sleger : quoine and bitflyer (jpy) have margin trading with high leverage
[2017-01-10 19:00:45] Adriana : ayy_lmao: @sleger thanks!
[2017-01-10 19:02:10] ayy_lmao : i enjoy bitmex's interface over okcoin
[2017-01-10 19:02:14] ayy_lmao : okcoin is too dry
[2017-01-10 19:02:54] ayy_lmao : woodchipper == ok coin btw
[2017-01-10 19:02:57] sleger : yes interface here is better, but the fees are much higher
[2017-01-10 19:03:14] sleger : and the liquidity is better at 0kc
[2017-01-10 19:03:24] sleger : but here you can go with higher leverage
[2017-01-10 19:03:41] sleger : but if you dont need higher leverage then you have less risk of ADL/clawback there
[2017-01-10 19:04:36] Alignment : sleger: but dont u have to be chinese
[2017-01-10 19:04:48] sleger : ??
[2017-01-10 19:04:54] Alignment : to trade on chinese exchanges
[2017-01-10 19:04:57] sleger : go back to eat with your mom
[2017-01-10 19:05:03] Alignment : she's late
[2017-01-10 19:05:14] sleger : your comment(s) make no sense
[2017-01-10 19:05:19] Alignment : lmao
[2017-01-10 19:05:38] Alignment : i meant, i thought you had to be chinese to trade on huobi and okcoin
[2017-01-10 19:05:50] sleger : "Alignment: sleger: but dont u have to be chinese" <= nobody said that
[2017-01-10 19:05:56] Alignment : i was wrong then
[2017-01-10 19:06:19] xulescubtc : guy one word , long or short?
[2017-01-10 19:06:19] Alignment : sleger do you use leverage about 10 sometimes?
[2017-01-10 19:06:20] xulescubtc : btc
[2017-01-10 19:06:20] xulescubtc : ?
[2017-01-10 19:06:21] sleger : Alignment: you see the chinese tab on top of the chat here ?
[2017-01-10 19:06:25] xulescubtc : guys
[2017-01-10 19:06:30] Alignment : sleger: yzq
[2017-01-10 19:06:32] sleger : Please go chat there
[2017-01-10 19:06:34] Alignment : yes
[2017-01-10 19:06:37] Alignment : i dont speak it
[2017-01-10 19:06:42] sleger : you might learn
[2017-01-10 19:06:47] Alignment : different alphabet
[2017-01-10 19:06:50] Alignment : too hard
[2017-01-10 19:06:51] sleger : after a while
[2017-01-10 19:06:54] sleger : try it
[2017-01-10 19:06:59] Alignment : thats how i learn english tho
[2017-01-10 19:07:01] xulescubtc : any advice? long or short?
[2017-01-10 19:07:16] Alignment : xulescubtc: short and take gains in the 700s
[2017-01-10 19:07:32] ayy_lmao : okcoin doesnt allow US customers
[2017-01-10 19:07:33] Alignment : or long and then close under 1100 and then short again
[2017-01-10 19:07:37] ayy_lmao : but neither does bitmex
[2017-01-10 19:07:42] Alignment : k
[2017-01-10 19:07:58] sleger : ayy_lmao: really ? where did you see that ?
[2017-01-10 19:08:02] sleger : for 0kcoin
[2017-01-10 19:08:17] premium_freak : LTC popping nicely
[2017-01-10 19:08:17] ayy_lmao : they stopped letting people trades futures a year ago i beleive
[2017-01-10 19:08:23] premium_freak : I was right with my segwit prediction :)
[2017-01-10 19:08:27] sleger : ayy_lmao: ah only futures maybe
[2017-01-10 19:08:30] ayy_lmao : unless they reverted it since then
[2017-01-10 19:08:32] ayy_lmao : yes only futures
[2017-01-10 19:09:10] ayy_lmao : although 0kcoin's verification is a joke
[2017-01-10 19:09:16] ayy_lmao : i dont even think they check
[2017-01-10 19:09:39] ayy_lmao : just have to make sure you dont forget credentials, else you might get locked out
[2017-01-10 19:09:40] premium_freak : ayy_lmao: be careful, they did call me once when I tried to withdraw BTC
[2017-01-10 19:09:54] ayy_lmao : yup, you just have to remember what you placed
[2017-01-10 19:09:58] premium_freak : ayy_lmao: they were asking for my passport number
[2017-01-10 19:10:06] premium_freak : ayy_lmao: luckily enough I did :p
[2017-01-10 19:10:06] ayy_lmao : had the same happen to me
[2017-01-10 19:10:33] ayy_lmao : i know some people got locked out bc they put fake info and forgot their passport lol
[2017-01-10 19:10:43] premium_freak : ayy_lmao: that's the worst
[2017-01-10 19:11:10] premium_freak : ayy_lmao: who knows one day they may not allow you to withdraw unless you submit a scan of your passport.. you're screwed if you entered a false number
[2017-01-10 19:11:22] ayy_lmao : yeah
[2017-01-10 19:12:18] Nooby : tc will soon touch 1K, less than @ weeks
[2017-01-10 19:12:31] Nooby : btc
[2017-01-10 19:12:35] premium_freak : ayy_lmao: this may very well be their long-term plan.. they'll have thousands of btc in dead accounts who can't verify
[2017-01-10 19:12:45] ayy_lmao : lol
[2017-01-10 19:13:10] ayy_lmao : i mean if the person who "owns" the account cant verify they "own" the funds, then they could claim it
[2017-01-10 19:13:25] premium_freak : yup
[2017-01-10 19:13:28] ayy_lmao : but im not sure about their TOS
[2017-01-10 19:13:44] sleger : if you can prove you own the address that sent the funds it might be easier
[2017-01-10 19:13:57] Nooby : good bye my btc, good bye my friend...you have been the one for me ;)
[2017-01-10 19:19:50] rapidtrades : is Trump in office yet
[2017-01-10 19:20:07] anonymous123421 : not for 10 days I think
[2017-01-10 19:21:17] MikeHunt : anonymous123421: that could cause btc to skyrocket
[2017-01-10 19:21:26] MikeHunt : with his stimulace package etc.
[2017-01-10 19:21:46] anonymous123421 : MikeHunt: yeah I'll have a small long open just incase