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[2017-01-10 00:03:49] BitMEX_Greg : I.e. it lists or it doesnt
[2017-01-10 00:04:17] QuantFocus : so if someone is willing to 'pay' 3 for it in early trading, and someone is willing to sell it for 3 in early trading, then they're creating odds
[2017-01-10 00:04:24] QuantFocus : the seller liability is still only 1 unit, while they took in 3
[2017-01-10 00:04:28] rapidtrades : we keep going up and I keep paying FEES
[2017-01-10 00:04:40] rapidtrades : i hate the swap
[2017-01-10 00:04:51] BitMEX_Greg : I don't think you will be able to pay or sell it at 3, since max price will be 1
[2017-01-10 00:05:07] QuantFocus : that's why i ask
[2017-01-10 00:05:17] QuantFocus : you should be able to buy or sell at premium or discount
[2017-01-10 00:05:31] QuantFocus : it allows us to determine probability based on market movement
[2017-01-10 00:05:32] BitMEX_Greg : Why would anyone buy it above 1, or why would anyone sell it below 0?
[2017-01-10 00:05:49] QuantFocus : if they feel like it's a "sure bet", they'd pay more if they couldn't get it cheaper
[2017-01-10 00:05:55] QuantFocus : and vice versa
[2017-01-10 00:06:20] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Greg: Greg motion to kill the swap
[2017-01-10 00:06:20] QuantFocus : if i think it's a guaranteed no go, i'll take .5 contracts on sell side since my settlement will be 0
[2017-01-10 00:06:21] BitMEX_Greg : If you are buying at 3, and it settles at 1, then you are losing money. Even if it was a "sure thing"
[2017-01-10 00:06:26] rapidtrades : can I have a second?
[2017-01-10 00:06:27] BitMEX_Greg : rapidtrades: Denied
[2017-01-10 00:06:43] Apocalyptic : QuantFocus: if you think about it, it's obvious it should trade between 0 and 1
[2017-01-10 00:07:38] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Greg: valid point
[2017-01-10 00:07:44] QuantFocus : so, what @Apocalyptic says though...?
[2017-01-10 00:08:41] BitMEX_Greg : QuantFocus: the min price should be 0, and max price should be 1
[2017-01-10 00:09:03] BitMEX_Greg : We can extend those limits, but it would be pointless as you would be losing money all day if you trade outside of them
[2017-01-10 00:09:10] BitMEX_Greg : The odds would be the price
[2017-01-10 00:09:16] QuantFocus : sure
[2017-01-10 00:09:21] QuantFocus : that's my question though
[2017-01-10 00:09:25] BitMEX_Greg : I.e. if its trading at 0.7, then it meeans 70% chance of being accepted
[2017-01-10 00:09:32] QuantFocus : will it trade in range, or simply 1 or 0
[2017-01-10 00:10:00] BitMEX_Greg : If you want to buy and sell above 1 and below 0 respectively, then I am sure there are a lot of traders here would would like that
[2017-01-10 00:10:10] BitMEX_Greg : that would(
[2017-01-10 00:10:11] BitMEX_Greg : *
[2017-01-10 00:10:36] QuantFocus : i was speaking off the cuff, and we clarified that it needs to trade between 0 or 1
[2017-01-10 00:10:55] QuantFocus : just want to know if that will be the case. incremental between those two
[2017-01-10 00:11:19] BitMEX_Greg : Not sure if being trolled or not. But why do you think there is a case for it to trade outside of 0 and 1?
[2017-01-10 00:11:29] QuantFocus : ...
[2017-01-10 00:11:32] QuantFocus : i said inside
[2017-01-10 00:12:00] BitMEX_Greg : It should trade anywhere between 0 and 1
[2017-01-10 00:12:09] rapidtrades : http://news.forexlive.com/!/pimco-looking-for-higher-usdcny-says-china-is-facing-a-trilemma-20170109
[2017-01-10 00:12:10] BitMEX_Greg : 0<= x <= 1
[2017-01-10 00:12:24] Apocalyptic : QuantFocus: it will be a range
[2017-01-10 00:12:29] QuantFocus : so you're confirming that there WILL be increments between the two?
[2017-01-10 00:12:41] Apocalyptic : obviously not only 0 or 1,
[2017-01-10 00:12:42] QuantFocus : .1, .01?
[2017-01-10 00:12:43] BitMEX_Greg : I'm not confirming anything as we haven't launched it yet
[2017-01-10 00:13:07] BitMEX_Sam : If it were launched, it would trade between 0 and 1 freely
[2017-01-10 00:13:11] QuantFocus : Apocalyptic: well it wouldn't trade for 0, but it's possible to only trade for 1
[2017-01-10 00:13:36] Apocalyptic : QuantFocus: for exemple if last price is 0.7, it means the market "agrees" on a 70% probability it happens
[2017-01-10 00:13:43] Apocalyptic : as Greg said above
[2017-01-10 00:13:56] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Sam: ty
[2017-01-10 00:14:16] Apocalyptic : I don't get why you would even fathom the other possibility of entering only the 2 discrete values, makes no sense
[2017-01-10 00:14:52] QuantFocus : it's a binary payout, so it could be binary entry
[2017-01-10 00:15:05] Apocalyptic : but then there's no trading
[2017-01-10 00:15:08] BitMEX_Sam : Except noone would ever enter at 0 or 1
[2017-01-10 00:15:08] QuantFocus : the point of my question to determine if there would be a trading range
[2017-01-10 00:15:10] BitMEX_Sam : There's no upside
[2017-01-10 00:15:15] Apocalyptic : ^^
[2017-01-10 00:15:33] QuantFocus : if you sell at 1 and it doesn't pass, you keep it
[2017-01-10 00:15:35] QuantFocus : that's upside
[2017-01-10 00:15:44] BitMEX_Sam : So, yes, obviously, it will function as a regular market but with a restricted range between 0 and 1
[2017-01-10 00:15:55] BitMEX_Sam : If you would like to take a position where best case, you make 0, and worst case, you lose it all, I suppose that is your right
[2017-01-10 00:16:21] QuantFocus : i'm trying to get initial understanding of how the instrument will function
[2017-01-10 00:16:36] QuantFocus : you know, planning accordingly
[2017-01-10 00:17:21] BitMEX_Greg : QuantFocus: But who would ever buy it off you at 1?
[2017-01-10 00:17:49] QuantFocus : someone thinking it would pass
[2017-01-10 00:17:50] QuantFocus : check it out...
[2017-01-10 00:17:51] sleger : all the newbies ?
[2017-01-10 00:18:18] QuantFocus : buy at 1 with .2xbt as collateral, per Arthur. It passes. I keep my .2xbt collateral, and I receive the .2xbt from the seller
[2017-01-10 00:18:22] Apocalyptic : QuantFocus: if he buys at 1 aand it passes the payout is 0
[2017-01-10 00:18:28] QuantFocus : wrong
[2017-01-10 00:18:31] QuantFocus : read my example
[2017-01-10 00:18:44] Apocalyptic : dude, seriously
[2017-01-10 00:18:45] BitMEX_Sam : Not how it works @QuantFocus
[2017-01-10 00:18:49] Apocalyptic : "If you would like to take a position where best case, you make 0, and worst case, you lose it all, I suppose that is your right"
[2017-01-10 00:18:59] Apocalyptic : what Sam said, just read damn it
[2017-01-10 00:19:28] BitMEX_Sam : Think of it like an altcoin that lives only for the duration of the contract and is worth either 0 or 1 at settlement
[2017-01-10 00:19:35] BitMEX_Sam : If you buy at 1 and it goes nowhere, settles at 1, you've made nothing
[2017-01-10 00:20:08] QuantFocus : ok understood
[2017-01-10 00:20:21] QuantFocus : Apocalyptic: alternatively, it could function like a pure bet, with the house being the seller
[2017-01-10 00:20:32] QuantFocus : 1:1 payout based on buy/sell
[2017-01-10 00:20:41] QuantFocus : it's not unfathomable, and again, is the reason i'm asking questions
[2017-01-10 00:20:57] QuantFocus : and the winning is the exchange of collateral
[2017-01-10 00:21:09] Apocalyptic : QuantFocus: but there is no "trading" involved in a pure bet
[2017-01-10 00:21:13] Apocalyptic : so why would it
[2017-01-10 00:21:33] QuantFocus : are you trying to get technical on a definition?
[2017-01-10 00:21:45] QuantFocus : trading and betting are practically the same
[2017-01-10 00:22:03] BitMEX_Sam : Except, in this case, it's not a bet, it's a trade, and functions like a trade; end of story
[2017-01-10 00:22:13] QuantFocus : cool, appreciate it
[2017-01-10 00:22:27] QuantFocus : thank you for your sage wisdom @Apocalyptic
[2017-01-10 00:24:21] Apocalyptic : np
[2017-01-10 00:24:42] QuantFocus : what's the leverage on the swap
[2017-01-10 00:24:43] QuantFocus : quick
[2017-01-10 00:25:06] yoloshi : dammit - b& on testnet
[2017-01-10 00:28:21] BitMEX_Sam : QuantFocus: http://i.imgur.com/KhqrWBq.png
[2017-01-10 00:28:41] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Sam: that was a joke
[2017-01-10 00:28:49] QuantFocus : but thanks again
[2017-01-10 00:47:04] odieoh : Quick!
[2017-01-10 00:51:09] odieoh : BitMEX_Sam, so is this prediction market thing going to happen or still being discussed?
[2017-01-10 00:52:00] rustiv : wow btc very bullish
[2017-01-10 00:54:10] BitMEX_Sam : odieoh: Still being discussed
[2017-01-10 00:56:10] odieoh : It would need to be very clearly worded so that if they just kick the can down the road again, that counts as a "didn't pass"
[2017-01-10 00:56:32] Apocalyptic : odieoh: afaik they can't
[2017-01-10 00:56:39] Apocalyptic : there is a maximum delay
[2017-01-10 00:56:56] odieoh : Trust them to find a way
[2017-01-10 00:57:18] sleger : the only way now is they cancel their motion and reapply
[2017-01-10 00:57:21] odieoh : it just needs to be worded to take that in to consideration-
[2017-01-10 00:57:23] sleger : which is pretty much a denial
[2017-01-10 00:57:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 30 @ 904.93
[2017-01-10 00:57:54] Apocalyptic : sleger: fomo buidling up, still long ?
[2017-01-10 00:58:19] odieoh : It will be a way to save a lot of butthurt bettors if you specify that beforehand, the bet is on whether it is approved on that date, and any outcome other than "Yes it is approved" is a No.
[2017-01-10 00:58:20] sleger : i'll be long for a while
[2017-01-10 01:01:27] QuantFocus : odieoh: be very careful, it's a trade, not a bet
[2017-01-10 01:02:17] odieoh : Gotcha.
[2017-01-10 01:02:35] odieoh : (Yes I saw your conversation) :)
[2017-01-10 01:02:44] QuantFocus : :thumbsup:
[2017-01-10 01:04:38] QuantFocus : bbl
[2017-01-10 01:05:01] odieoh : That green candle just got an erection
[2017-01-10 01:05:11] Dtrade16 : damn
[2017-01-10 01:05:29] aandy : i closed my long early damnit lol
[2017-01-10 01:06:40] Dtrade16 : Me too
[2017-01-10 01:06:53] Dtrade16 : In 900 out 912
[2017-01-10 01:06:54] shiroe : we go 7k okc, within 3days :)
[2017-01-10 01:07:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 511 @ 910.77
[2017-01-10 01:07:47] Dtrade16 : shiroe: Do you have a price target for today?
[2017-01-10 01:07:50] Dtrade16 : 920s?
[2017-01-10 01:08:09] MikeHunt : ltc in a bubble?
[2017-01-10 01:08:14] Dtrade16 : Looking to reenter around 905-910
[2017-01-10 01:09:19] shiroe : Dtrade16: today? 940?
[2017-01-10 01:09:49] shiroe : if i will exit 940 then enter at that level.
[2017-01-10 01:11:29] gg : why are orders getting auto rejected and margin closed when price is clearly above that point?
[2017-01-10 01:11:46] itsyourboy : painful trying to close a LTC position...
[2017-01-10 01:11:50] itsyourboy : zzz
[2017-01-10 01:12:03] MikeHunt : itsyourboy: short or long?
[2017-01-10 01:12:46] itsyourboy : MikeHunt: long
[2017-01-10 01:13:13] KingTuna : short on low leverage
[2017-01-10 01:14:54] itsyourboy : KingTuna: will that close my position quicker?
[2017-01-10 01:16:19] MikeHunt : whale tail time to bail?
[2017-01-10 01:17:25] itsyourboy : MikeHunt: just need to sleep soon!
[2017-01-10 01:21:21] ayy_lmao : bearstamp y u fuck up mark
[2017-01-10 01:21:24] ayy_lmao : price
[2017-01-10 01:21:38] abbey : well, well, it happend what I expected while I was away for a moment.. nice
[2017-01-10 01:23:35] abbey : looking really good now
[2017-01-10 01:24:17] MikeHunt : itsyourboy: what did you buy at?
[2017-01-10 01:24:43] itsyourboy : .00476
[2017-01-10 01:25:07] MikeHunt : itsyourboy: you might want to exit sooner rather than later
[2017-01-10 01:25:13] MikeHunt : 1hr chart dont paint a pretty picture
[2017-01-10 01:25:31] Dtrade16 : I can't even sit down lol
[2017-01-10 01:25:48] Dtrade16 : shiroe: Nice
[2017-01-10 01:25:58] MikeHunt : this will probably crash like the bubble in december
[2017-01-10 01:26:01] itsyourboy : well been trying to close out but the orders just sat there
[2017-01-10 01:26:04] MikeHunt : down to 0.004
[2017-01-10 01:26:41] MikeHunt : maybe as low as 0.0035
[2017-01-10 01:26:48] abbey : ayy_lmao: stamps coming along, mate. don't worry
[2017-01-10 01:27:31] itsyourboy : MikeHunt: i cant do much when i set limit close at the current price and it just sits there...
[2017-01-10 01:27:34] Dtrade16 : LTC pump over?
[2017-01-10 01:29:04] KingTuna : Dtrade16: Just begun
[2017-01-10 01:30:33] Dtrade16 : KingTuna: Just like how btc was going to 500 yesterday?
[2017-01-10 01:31:17] KingTuna : It still will ... Both will die. BTC stagnant for now, LTC will rise, both will correct down within next couple of months
[2017-01-10 01:31:35] MikeHunt : itsyourboy: you cant sell?
[2017-01-10 01:33:00] MikeHunt : KingTuna: chart trend and MFI suggests LTC bubble is nearly over
[2017-01-10 01:34:02] itsyourboy : MikeHunt: sold, could have made about 3x what i did but that'll teach me for thinking i could get out quickly if needed
[2017-01-10 01:34:09] itsyourboy : volume is crazy low
[2017-01-10 01:34:25] MikeHunt : itsyourboy: thats why im shorting
[2017-01-10 01:34:33] MikeHunt : itsyourboy: long way down
[2017-01-10 01:34:34] ayy_lmao : stamp wut are you doing
[2017-01-10 01:35:17] itsyourboy : MikeHunt: yeah i could sleep with a short, can just market sell out
[2017-01-10 01:35:36] Dtrade16 : KingTuna: right
[2017-01-10 01:38:29] itsyourboy : Right, 10x LTC short open, can't see .00520 being hit at all for liquidation, i can sleep on that
[2017-01-10 01:38:36] itsyourboy : MikeHunt:
[2017-01-10 01:41:08] MikeHunt : itsyourboy: +1
[2017-01-10 01:41:24] MikeHunt : just keep an eye on btc thou, any major downwards move might trigger
[2017-01-10 01:41:24] itsyourboy : laters, good luck all
[2017-01-10 01:41:28] MikeHunt : set a stop just incase
[2017-01-10 01:43:08] rustiv : can i set a stop to a open long?
[2017-01-10 01:45:10] MikeHunt : rustiv: stop market
[2017-01-10 01:55:59] brojo : yes called a stop market or a stop limit
[2017-01-10 01:56:03] brojo : and you set it above the price
[2017-01-10 01:56:23] brojo : a stop market just goes sat the market price a stop limit enters a limit order once the stop is triggered
[2017-01-10 01:56:35] brojo : can be used to buy or sell at a > or a <
[2017-01-10 02:08:02] Dynamix : Well Fuck ive sold too early haha
[2017-01-10 02:08:54] XBT_IHCT : Dynamix: I did too man!
[2017-01-10 02:09:05] MikeHunt : usd/cny = already retraced 1/2 of losses
[2017-01-10 02:09:15] MikeHunt : cny going back in the toilet
[2017-01-10 02:11:32] Dynamix : I entered 100x at 889 then doesnt want to pump when I do shit it pumps lol
[2017-01-10 02:11:36] Dynamix : fuck this lol
[2017-01-10 02:12:05] aandy : damn risky move haha
[2017-01-10 02:13:20] micmix : Small UI bug - when you scroll expanded Instruments table the header doesn't scroll (latest Chrome) @BitMEX_Sam
[2017-01-10 02:15:16] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks micmix, will address that
[2017-01-10 02:18:02] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Sam: oh yeh and sometimes the chart being displayed aint the right one for the page
[2017-01-10 02:18:24] BitMEX_Sam : MikeHunt: Yeah, that's a long-known issue, bug in TradingView we haven't been able to suss out
[2017-01-10 02:18:31] BitMEX_Sam : Eventual solution is to get a new chart
[2017-01-10 02:27:49] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Sam: ive found switching from one tab and back fixes it
[2017-01-10 02:28:07] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, it can. It needs to be sent messages repeatedly sometimes.
[2017-01-10 02:31:14] Dynamix : Is there any point longing btc now ?
[2017-01-10 02:33:51] Dynamix : BitMEX_Sam: how can i reset my whole chart ? Its full of indicators on mobile
[2017-01-10 02:34:10] Dynamix : can you tell someone at bitmex to fix it if not ?
[2017-01-10 02:34:33] FreeMoney : BitMEX_Sam: hey can I ask you a question about the fees?
[2017-01-10 02:35:09] Dynamix : Seems like hes not around
[2017-01-10 02:37:29] FreeMoney : If I trade 10million in the week, what could the person who referred me make?
[2017-01-10 02:41:38] KingTuna : itsyourboy: cover your short big boy ;)
[2017-01-10 02:41:49] KingTuna : LTC firin gon all cylinders
[2017-01-10 02:41:54] KingTuna : firing*
[2017-01-10 02:42:14] KingTuna : okcoin LTC on a roll
[2017-01-10 02:43:43] micmix : FreeMoney: 10m USD assuming always taker is $7500 in fees, referrer gets 20% of that on highest tier
[2017-01-10 02:49:26] evilminer : nice price movement. :-/
[2017-01-10 02:51:02] BitMEX_Greg : FreeMoney: Please take a look at: https://www.bitmex.com/app/affiliates#Affiliate-Payout-Structure
[2017-01-10 02:55:17] Dynamix : FreeMoney: You want to become my referral and I give you 50% ? :)
[2017-01-10 02:55:58] FreeMoney : Dynamix: nah I asked him If I could do myself and he siad no so ill just use my wife
[2017-01-10 02:56:24] Dynamix : FreeMoney: lol fair enough
[2017-01-10 02:56:38] Dynamix : wanted a few extra bucks there ?
[2017-01-10 03:01:46] XXXX : No sell orders after 0.0057 on LTC.?
[2017-01-10 03:08:18] Dtrade16 : Thank god god my money off of bitfinex
[2017-01-10 03:08:29] rowrow : something happen today?
[2017-01-10 03:08:42] Dtrade16 : Damn ltc ripped up
[2017-01-10 03:08:55] KingTuna : Dtrade16: ;)
[2017-01-10 03:10:05] Dtrade16 : 100k buy order on finex for LTC lol
[2017-01-10 03:10:08] Dtrade16 : at $4
[2017-01-10 03:10:21] Dtrade16 : KingTuna: You gotta dog in this fight? Lol
[2017-01-10 03:10:52] KingTuna : Dtrade16: haha we will see how this goes
[2017-01-10 03:11:16] FreeMoney : funding funding funding
[2017-01-10 03:12:00] Dtrade16 : BTC rally over back to 900
[2017-01-10 03:12:23] Dtrade16 : Where should I trade guys?
[2017-01-10 03:12:52] Dtrade16 : Any reputable exchanges that allow tether and leverage?
[2017-01-10 03:13:51] Dtrade16 : I'm not holding my money in btc
[2017-01-10 03:13:56] Dtrade16 : Craziest thing ever
[2017-01-10 03:14:46] XXXX : 7 day contracts settle on friday 12 UTC. when does the new 7 Day contract begin trading?
[2017-01-10 03:15:00] rowrow : aside from here, not too many options for leverage - maybe btce
[2017-01-10 03:15:31] XBT_IHCT : XXXX: right after settlement
[2017-01-10 03:15:49] XBT_IHCT : of the same instrument
[2017-01-10 03:16:28] XXXX : XBT_IHCT: thanks. It is annoying to be on desk at the exact time and reopen the same trade at slightly disadvantaged price point.
[2017-01-10 03:18:03] XBT_IHCT : XXXX: that's just the nature of the beast :)
[2017-01-10 03:18:12] Dynamix : Are we going down or nah ?
[2017-01-10 03:18:25] rowrow : could be, could be not
[2017-01-10 03:18:42] rowrow : gotta ask china
[2017-01-10 03:18:52] Dynamix : Not an answer
[2017-01-10 03:18:56] Dynamix : haha
[2017-01-10 03:18:58] Dynamix : yh yh
[2017-01-10 03:19:42] XBT_IHCT : Dynamix: I expect so but I'm really not sure, so I opened a really small hedged trade, with a really small short bias
[2017-01-10 03:20:02] Dynamix : Right
[2017-01-10 03:20:06] Dynamix : aight
[2017-01-10 03:25:41] Dynamix : Time to go down
[2017-01-10 03:28:54] Dtrade16 : rowrow: is btce legit though?
[2017-01-10 03:28:59] Dtrade16 : Don't they go down a lot?
[2017-01-10 03:31:58] rowrow : i haven't looked much into it recently, just know they have been around for a long time without any major negative events - which is more than most bitcoin exchanges can say
[2017-01-10 03:32:45] rowrow : there aren't really any perfect choices, if you want liquidity probably bitfinex is one of the best but not exactly a fan of them either
[2017-01-10 03:34:59] rowrow : though it's possible they've gotten hacked without disclosing it i suppose - if you want the least likely exchange to go belly up it's probably coinbase/gdax, don't think they offer leverage though
[2017-01-10 03:35:26] Dynamix : Btc falling hard
[2017-01-10 03:35:29] Dynamix : hehe
[2017-01-10 03:36:45] Crunkmeister : why am I unable to see my own orders in the order book? they get filled properly
[2017-01-10 03:36:48] Crunkmeister : but I don't see them in my UI
[2017-01-10 03:38:03] odieoh : Your own should be in bolded font
[2017-01-10 03:38:13] Crunkmeister : it was, earlier today, now it's gone entirely
[2017-01-10 03:38:31] odieoh : Well if they got filled they disappear :)
[2017-01-10 03:38:43] Crunkmeister : I understand, I'm talking new orders
[2017-01-10 03:40:45] Dtrade16 : rowrow: Thanks!
[2017-01-10 03:41:43] Dtrade16 : I love bitfinex but I just pulled my money off of there
[2017-01-10 03:41:57] Dtrade16 : Too risky now
[2017-01-10 03:42:20] Dtrade16 : Anyone short zec here?
[2017-01-10 03:44:24] rapidtrades : lol no
[2017-01-10 03:44:40] Dynamix : Well bitfinex how much lvg ?
[2017-01-10 03:44:44] l3f : Dtrade16: don't short zec
[2017-01-10 03:44:45] Dynamix : are there buys?
[2017-01-10 03:44:56] l3f : rapidtrades: you still hodling zec?
[2017-01-10 03:45:06] l3f : it's looks like it's gonna blow
[2017-01-10 03:45:16] Dtrade16 : l3f: Why?
[2017-01-10 03:45:48] Dtrade16 : I'd be stupid not too
[2017-01-10 03:46:38] Dynamix : Dump is not over
[2017-01-10 03:46:51] Dynamix : china moving down bitmex same place
[2017-01-10 03:47:37] Dynamix : Last trade was at 3:39
[2017-01-10 03:47:48] MikeHunt : how do you the maker fee instead of the taker fee?
[2017-01-10 03:48:03] ayy_lmao : limit orders
[2017-01-10 03:48:20] MikeHunt : ayy_lmao: ahh thanks
[2017-01-10 03:48:27] ayy_lmao : if you fill someones orders, you get a taker fee
[2017-01-10 03:48:32] ayy_lmao : if someone fills your, you get maker
[2017-01-10 03:48:48] MikeHunt : ayy_lmao: do you generally use limit orders?
[2017-01-10 03:48:53] ayy_lmao : but if you use a limit to buy the lowest bid, you still get taker
[2017-01-10 03:49:06] ayy_lmao : i switch
[2017-01-10 03:49:23] ayy_lmao : depends if i think i can get filled in the time i want to be filled
[2017-01-10 03:50:58] MikeHunt : ayy_lmao: ahh tanks
[2017-01-10 03:51:51] FreeMoney : is it possible for some people to make more money on the funding than their position P/L?
[2017-01-10 03:53:02] Guest56485 : hey! :)
[2017-01-10 03:54:28] Dtrade16 : l3f: You didn't say why not
[2017-01-10 04:06:55] ayy_lmao : bearstamp
[2017-01-10 04:08:26] anonymous123421 : So much for 900+
[2017-01-10 04:08:45] anonymous123421 : Hmm might recover
[2017-01-10 04:12:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 29500 @ 6544.0
[2017-01-10 04:24:25] XBT_IHCT : Crunkmeister: you still here?
[2017-01-10 04:24:36] Crunkmeister : YES
[2017-01-10 04:24:50] Crunkmeister : whats up?
[2017-01-10 04:25:03] XBT_IHCT : did you work out what was going on?
[2017-01-10 04:25:06] Crunkmeister : nope
[2017-01-10 04:25:24] Crunkmeister : it's pretty annoying, I haven't cleared my cache, also my carts seemed to stop working, I'll try clearing my cache later
[2017-01-10 04:25:34] Crunkmeister : chart*
[2017-01-10 04:26:07] XBT_IHCT : you haven't accidentally clicked on the "hidden" box have you by any chance?
[2017-01-10 04:27:02] XBT_IHCT : Also if your chart is messing up, it could be that your computer's time and date is wrong, I would have a look at that too.
[2017-01-10 04:31:50] aethlios : hello traders! I see ltc up? any news??
[2017-01-10 04:33:05] XBT_IHCT : aethlios: hey man, how's it going?
[2017-01-10 04:33:25] XXXX : aethlios: segwit activation in few weeks. before bitcoin.
[2017-01-10 04:33:31] aethlios : XBT_IHCT: taking some rest and sleep from previous days.
[2017-01-10 04:34:04] aethlios : XXXX: nice,
[2017-01-10 04:35:09] XBT_IHCT : aethlios: I know exactly what you mean, I slept for 15 hours myself! lol
[2017-01-10 04:36:55] Crunkmeister : XBT_IHCT Yes I'm sure it's not hidden, I thought of that
[2017-01-10 04:37:16] Crunkmeister : I'll complain if after troubleshooting, I was just wondering if there was some hidden UI option I hit
[2017-01-10 04:37:37] Crunkmeister : if I still have problems after*
[2017-01-10 04:39:24] aethlios : 4 daily candles with small bodies, bulls and bears fight with no winner yet, will bears give bulls a chance to get in the bull market lower, or 807 was the low for spot?? let's see....
[2017-01-10 04:40:24] MikeHunt : aethlios: how long do you think it will be until this is decided, bull or bear market? my guess is noon tomorrow
[2017-01-10 04:40:33] MikeHunt : (today)
[2017-01-10 04:40:43] MikeHunt : *
[2017-01-10 04:43:04] aethlios : MikeHunt: we are in a bull market since summer 2015, a justification was new ATH in euro and yuan, and 7 usd almost for new ATH for usd. the question is if the correction was enough, we have the large triangle previous support with top 775, so 806 low touched that and at most i see a weak retest of 800.
[2017-01-10 04:46:33] MikeHunt : aethlios: got a lot of btc lying around and wodnering how to protect it against a potential drop
[2017-01-10 04:46:40] MikeHunt : whether to escape to USD or not :/
[2017-01-10 04:46:48] MikeHunt : leave a little here to play with
[2017-01-10 04:48:54] aethlios : MikeHunt: you can keep btc in wallet safe away from exchange and can hedge here either with swap or quarterly. at the top quarterly had 13% return for 3 months, if have usd in a bank you don't receive interest.
[2017-01-10 04:49:37] aethlios : create a synthetic usd deposit.
[2017-01-10 04:50:42] MikeHunt : aethlios: i suppose i could just short
[2017-01-10 04:51:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCT7D`: sell 359 @ 0.003191
[2017-01-10 04:52:39] aethlios : MikeHunt: this is what i mean, if you short your btc you create a usd deposit. if short march reveive a fixed 3 month deposit rate, if short swap you receive an 8hour variable rate. because btc appreciates against dollar, you long tern earn a positive interest.
[2017-01-10 04:52:48] ayy_lmao : bearstamp totally disconnected
[2017-01-10 04:52:58] aethlios : it could be 25% per year.
[2017-01-10 04:53:07] QuantFocus : aethlios: :+1:
[2017-01-10 04:53:31] QuantFocus : typical premium is 5-8%, so yes
[2017-01-10 04:54:10] QuantFocus : or if you want to play the market, wait for premium to reach 10-12 like this rally and then short. downside protection plus a solid roe
[2017-01-10 04:54:21] QuantFocus : but that's atypical
[2017-01-10 04:54:32] aethlios : but keep 75% of btc off bitmex and keep here 25% for margin, so reduce counterparty risk.
[2017-01-10 04:54:39] QuantFocus : yep
[2017-01-10 04:54:45] QuantFocus : that's the smart way to hedge
[2017-01-10 04:55:05] QuantFocus : like he said, synthetic cash
[2017-01-10 04:55:59] MikeHunt : aethlios: oh ok thanks for help
[2017-01-10 04:56:14] aethlios : QuantFocus: you can be in swap (variable rate) if you think pump ahead and jump to quarterly to lock the fix interest, if crash happens and fixed rates crash also, then close in profit quarterly and go back to swap. this way you trade the interest rates.
[2017-01-10 04:56:53] QuantFocus : on an unrelated note, btc pump looks good for continuation imo: http://imgur.com/PNmLeBH
[2017-01-10 04:58:24] QuantFocus : aethlios: :D
[2017-01-10 04:58:35] QuantFocus : i have a few trades built around both
[2017-01-10 04:58:45] QuantFocus : but i try to keep them secret
[2017-01-10 04:59:08] aethlios : same chart looking also.
[2017-01-10 05:00:14] Gekko : Current premium on the futures come in massively through....about 16%annualised?
[2017-01-10 05:00:55] QuantFocus : 17% atm
[2017-01-10 05:01:06] QuantFocus : that's pretty low though for this instrument
[2017-01-10 05:02:09] Gekko : was about 25 ?
[2017-01-10 05:02:51] QuantFocus : i believe it hit upwards of 50% on final spike upward
[2017-01-10 05:03:30] QuantFocus : but the spot even had a 5% premium over index
[2017-01-10 05:03:36] QuantFocus : iirc
[2017-01-10 05:03:47] Gekko : jaysus, that was a good spread to lock in
[2017-01-10 05:04:04] QuantFocus : euphoria though
[2017-01-10 05:04:16] QuantFocus : unless you were net neutral
[2017-01-10 05:04:31] Gekko : must be some selling pressure now to keep the spread so tight
[2017-01-10 05:04:40] Gekko : at 17
[2017-01-10 05:04:53] QuantFocus : a lot of pwnage
[2017-01-10 05:05:06] QuantFocus : a lot of speculators got knocked out. i'm sure they're nursing their wounds
[2017-01-10 05:06:00] aethlios : after the battle you need to collect the wounded.
[2017-01-10 05:07:58] QuantFocus : or kick em while they're down
[2017-01-10 05:08:40] aethlios : market little more bullish today, weekly in premium 1 usd from discount, swap here in premium, and march spread up 4 usd.
[2017-01-10 05:10:37] Gekko : average futures premium about 40 around this price?
[2017-01-10 05:11:01] Gekko : usual historical premium?
[2017-01-10 05:11:03] QuantFocus : been floating at 30, but 40 is probably more appropriate
[2017-01-10 05:11:22] QuantFocus : maybe 50 even
[2017-01-10 05:32:41] StanTheMan : users dropping like crazy
[2017-01-10 05:37:47] Dtrade16 : wow
[2017-01-10 05:39:42] aethlios : Gekko: at the top of the pump had a high of 171, and at the bottom of the crash -3.
[2017-01-10 05:41:58] Dtrade16 : What just happened?
[2017-01-10 05:48:28] QuantFocus : well that's not good
[2017-01-10 05:48:29] StanTheMan : btc dumping
[2017-01-10 05:49:10] StanTheMan : nice fake out pump
[2017-01-10 05:49:21] ayy_lmao : lol
[2017-01-10 05:50:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 500 @ 895.82
[2017-01-10 05:50:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2406 @ 894.91
[2017-01-10 05:51:16] Dtrade16 : Back down to 880s
[2017-01-10 05:51:48] jose : Dtrade16: yes please
[2017-01-10 05:53:55] aandy : I FEEL ITS GOING LOWER
[2017-01-10 05:54:06] XBT_IHCT : StanTheMan: are you the same "StanTheMan" as from the steemit website?
[2017-01-10 05:54:10] shiroe : boring, 4days of boringness.
[2017-01-10 05:56:19] StanTheMan : no XBT_IHCT
[2017-01-10 05:56:43] StanTheMan : but now i feel dirty knowing i took the same name as a person from steemit
[2017-01-10 05:58:02] XBT_IHCT : StanTheMan: lol
[2017-01-10 05:58:51] QuantFocus : can't tell if it's a trap or not
[2017-01-10 06:00:46] StanTheMan : 6 hour bbands really coming in now
[2017-01-10 06:01:10] XBT_IHCT : StanTheMan: hehe just one of those funny coin cidences then
[2017-01-10 06:01:29] Dtrade16 : Anyone here trade penny stocks?
[2017-01-10 06:04:21] XBT_IHCT : Dtrade16: "red hot penny stocks" no never, how about you?
[2017-01-10 06:04:38] Dtrade16 : Yes
[2017-01-10 06:05:00] XBT_IHCT : any real money to be made there?
[2017-01-10 06:05:04] Dtrade16 : KPOC stock
[2017-01-10 06:05:13] Dtrade16 : just shot up 700 % lol
[2017-01-10 06:05:21] Dtrade16 : Big pump and dump
[2017-01-10 06:05:25] Dtrade16 : Yah of course
[2017-01-10 06:05:29] Dtrade16 : Shorting lol
[2017-01-10 06:05:42] XBT_IHCT : interesting!
[2017-01-10 06:05:58] XBT_IHCT : can you use btc to trade them?
[2017-01-10 06:06:04] Dtrade16 : No
[2017-01-10 06:06:57] XBT_IHCT : Dtrade16: hey man! there is an opportunity there no? e.g. "satosh stocks"
[2017-01-10 06:07:08] XBT_IHCT : lol
[2017-01-10 06:08:02] Dtrade16 : Lol they're regulated though
[2017-01-10 06:08:05] Dtrade16 : So no luck
[2017-01-10 06:08:21] Dtrade16 : Maybe though I'm not sure how that would work
[2017-01-10 06:09:06] XBT_IHCT : I don't think that's not a real problem though
[2017-01-10 06:09:47] XBT_IHCT : the regulation issue can be surmounted I'm sure
[2017-01-10 06:11:25] XBT_IHCT : QuantFocus: trap suspicion confirmed
[2017-01-10 06:12:28] QuantFocus : still not sure
[2017-01-10 06:12:37] QuantFocus : it's awfully quiet though
[2017-01-10 06:17:17] XBT_IHCT : indeed, but I suspect we'll go lower in the next 1~3 hours
[2017-01-10 06:17:35] StanTheMan : btc full of rising wedges
[2017-01-10 06:17:51] QuantFocus : yea, i'm pretty bullish, but this seems off
[2017-01-10 06:18:12] QuantFocus : i think it's time to take my eyes off it for a while
[2017-01-10 06:18:19] QuantFocus : good luck guys
[2017-01-10 06:19:30] XBT_IHCT : cheers man
[2017-01-10 06:21:05] XBT_IHCT : StanTheMan: what time frame are you looking at?
[2017-01-10 06:22:07] StanTheMan : 1 hour chart
[2017-01-10 06:22:19] StanTheMan : you can see every time it goes up. it breaks down recently
[2017-01-10 06:26:16] StanTheMan : of course higher lows for now
[2017-01-10 06:27:17] StanTheMan : which should mean this bounces somewhere in the 6200's cny
[2017-01-10 06:30:25] XBT_IHCT : StanTheMan: yeah, that will do my short some good but my longs no so much
[2017-01-10 06:31:33] XBT_IHCT : but I'll try and catch the knife on them and see how I go
[2017-01-10 06:37:14] juchide : seems like my transaction is pending all the time since yesterday. although miners working ok
[2017-01-10 06:37:28] juchide : tx f1a1b332a2c4dfd7d20f7454b444a5f14998c59068d1a50317e8172da78309e7
[2017-01-10 06:37:47] juchide : wtf
[2017-01-10 06:39:10] StanTheMan : that's odd
[2017-01-10 06:39:20] StanTheMan : 20,000 unconfirmed transactions
[2017-01-10 06:39:23] StanTheMan : currently
[2017-01-10 06:40:11] StanTheMan : seems like the transactions spamming is done. should confirm in one of the next blocks
[2017-01-10 06:43:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 50 @ 0.004810
[2017-01-10 06:47:14] XBT_IHCT : juchide: what was the miner fee you payed?
[2017-01-10 06:47:32] juchide : 0.0005 BTC
[2017-01-10 06:47:38] juchide : 45 cents
[2017-01-10 06:48:15] StanTheMan : i paid 54 cents when there was over 40,000 unconfirmed transactions and was included in the next block the other day
[2017-01-10 06:54:34] XBT_IHCT : juchide: that is strange, my wallet predicts that with that level of fee you should get included into the next block!
[2017-01-10 06:54:40] FreeMoney : always pay over 30 cent fee
[2017-01-10 06:55:04] XBT_IHCT : he did man @FreeMoney
[2017-01-10 06:55:50] juchide : miners is like declining me
[2017-01-10 06:56:05] juchide : btc lag?
[2017-01-10 06:56:14] StanTheMan : lol someone just paid a $5.04 fee
[2017-01-10 06:56:57] StanTheMan : some people pay really high fees
[2017-01-10 07:01:08] XBT_IHCT : StanTheMan: high for btc yeah but that's still really low compared to other services eh
[2017-01-10 07:02:51] XBT_IHCT : juchide: do you have any more balance available?
[2017-01-10 07:03:45] FreeMoney : I pay $1 sometimes to guarantee next block.
[2017-01-10 07:04:52] aandy : oh daymn dumppppp
[2017-01-10 07:09:51] XBT_IHCT : juchide: it could also be a weird network quirk arising from the fact the tx is from multiple inputs
[2017-01-10 07:10:49] juchide : how can I solve that? O_O
[2017-01-10 07:11:17] XBT_IHCT : juchide: do you have any more funds on any of those addresses?
[2017-01-10 07:14:02] juchide : no
[2017-01-10 07:14:04] juchide : havent
[2017-01-10 07:14:20] XBT_IHCT : juchide: yeah it looks like you still have a bit of dust on 2 of those addresses.
[2017-01-10 07:15:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 6694 @ 900.73
[2017-01-10 07:15:52] XBT_IHCT : juchide: these two: 16yCKmhp25RZX97cAXdcdURb7DqKuy51te 1JpfjZ4WFejDwSdAQY37ktxvUVC7v2LFeQ
[2017-01-10 07:16:09] juchide : do you think I get my money?
[2017-01-10 07:16:35] enki0182 : hi all... newbie here (long time btc, little bit of noob trade in 2013)... I made coin on the rise (and fall)... but only because the psychological scaring of 2013 did i know what big red dildos meant. Anyways... any tips for me here? quick Q's... better to reinforce position to average out if order going against you, but your confident in the long term trend?
[2017-01-10 07:17:14] arbitrage101 : how things go, fellow
[2017-01-10 07:17:18] enki0182 : also - what is a good timespan from entry->exit?
[2017-01-10 07:17:19] arbitrage101 : quiet
[2017-01-10 07:17:27] enki0182 : 10 mins, 10 days?
[2017-01-10 07:17:39] enki0182 : hi arb
[2017-01-10 07:20:35] XBT_IHCT : juchide: yeah, you could try to send 0.0001 btc from the 2 addresses that still have a bit of dust in them, and set the fee to 0.00048211 (the remainder)
[2017-01-10 07:22:28] juchide : no, i cant do that
[2017-01-10 07:22:45] XBT_IHCT : why not?
[2017-01-10 07:23:19] juchide : it was done automated
[2017-01-10 07:23:44] juchide : local exchange
[2017-01-10 07:24:46] XBT_IHCT : oh so you don't chave control of those addresses!?
[2017-01-10 07:25:08] XBT_IHCT : *have
[2017-01-10 07:26:57] juchide : yea
[2017-01-10 07:27:11] XBT_IHCT : juchide: if you can somehow do that, then you have effectively paid 0.00098211 in fees, which may be enough to push it through you see?
[2017-01-10 07:27:58] juchide : gonna try
[2017-01-10 07:29:27] XBT_IHCT : juchide: you could try submitting a support request to the exchange and see if they can do it for you if you don't have control
[2017-01-10 07:33:23] piegunn : Is there a maximum return limit on BitMEX? Like will a position get closed if my proft is over a few hundred percent?
[2017-01-10 07:33:42] StanTheMan : No.
[2017-01-10 07:37:04] piegunn : Cool, thanks
[2017-01-10 07:39:48] XBT_IHCT : piegunn: the ADL system automatically deleverages opposing traders’ positions by profit and leverage priority though.
[2017-01-10 07:40:19] XBT_IHCT : piegunn: https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging
[2017-01-10 07:55:51] enki0182 : if i move the leverage slider whilst i have an open position, does it short my current position, taking into account losses/gains, and applying the leverage from that point in time?
[2017-01-10 07:56:32] MikeHunt : i think i may have just been bear trapped
[2017-01-10 07:57:15] XBT_IHCT : MikeHunt: lol how so?
[2017-01-10 07:57:54] MikeHunt : XBT_IHCT: shortted 895
[2017-01-10 07:59:10] BitMEX_Jack : We will hold a seminar in Shenzhen (China), on this sat. Free entry, lunch and translation provided, welcome all to join: https://www.eventbrite.hk/e/blockchain-technology-tickets-30881873515
[2017-01-10 07:59:33] XBT_IHCT : MikeHunt: when?
[2017-01-10 08:00:23] enki0182 : ^this saturday 14th
[2017-01-10 08:00:23] MikeHunt : XBT_IHCT: around 6am
[2017-01-10 08:00:44] MikeHunt : XBT_IHCT: i was awoken to alarm bells and quickly shorted it
[2017-01-10 08:02:31] XBT_IHCT : MikeHunt: what's your lev?
[2017-01-10 08:03:05] XBT_IHCT : can you just sell more?
[2017-01-10 08:04:39] MikeHunt : XBT_IHCT: 25x
[2017-01-10 08:06:14] aandy : same position as you shorted at 896,29 25X tempted to short more
[2017-01-10 08:06:26] MikeHunt : i feel better knowing im not the only one lol
[2017-01-10 08:07:15] MikeHunt : however indicators suggests it may fail to break upwards so might not be too bad in the end
[2017-01-10 08:08:48] XBT_IHCT : MikeHunt: oh well you can sell 3x more contracts at 903 for example and then you bring your entry price up to 901
[2017-01-10 08:09:51] MikeHunt : XBT_IHCT: thanks, if it fails to break i may just do that
[2017-01-10 08:10:07] aandy : lets see
[2017-01-10 08:11:01] XBT_IHCT : I consider 25x a gamble anyway, so 25x or 100x is the same to me... that's all gambling territory.
[2017-01-10 08:12:19] XBT_IHCT : MikeHunt: what's your threshold level, beneath which you consider it a trade and above which you consider it a gamble?
[2017-01-10 08:13:32] XBT_IHCT : MikeHunt: also what's your position size man?
[2017-01-10 08:16:25] MikeHunt : XBT_IHCT: if it breaks out then it'd be a gamble ie: above $912
[2017-01-10 08:17:35] XBT_IHCT : MikeHunt: no I meant leverage level?
[2017-01-10 08:17:51] MikeHunt : XBT_IHCT: depends on the situation
[2017-01-10 08:18:36] MikeHunt : i dont like gambling i like to calculate where it will stop and then buy/sell there
[2017-01-10 08:18:59] MikeHunt : admittingly making a mid-sleep short was probably a bad idea
[2017-01-10 08:19:39] XBT_IHCT : indeed
[2017-01-10 08:20:39] MikeHunt : MFI suggests this is becoming overbought so it might reverse
[2017-01-10 08:20:55] XBT_IHCT : I don't get your answer about leverage but okay
[2017-01-10 08:21:19] XBT_IHCT : MikeHunt: what's you position size anyway?
[2017-01-10 08:22:14] MikeHunt : XBT_IHCT: about leverage i mean i dont consider any size to be a gamble although others probably consider high amounts to be, i base leverage on how accurate i think my decision is
[2017-01-10 08:23:03] MikeHunt : i calculated a stop point for a dip, 100x it and made 0.1btc
[2017-01-10 08:23:19] MikeHunt : my position size is 6500 contracts
[2017-01-10 08:26:25] XBT_IHCT : I see
[2017-01-10 08:28:58] Dtrade16 : Market wants to move up
[2017-01-10 08:29:29] Dtrade16 : We may stay at these levels but this market has a strong upward bias
[2017-01-10 08:29:38] XBT_IHCT : yeah I'm starting to think the same thing