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[2017-01-09 12:56:21] l3f : More side ways it is
[2017-01-09 12:56:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 3000 @ 6547.3
[2017-01-09 12:56:46] sero : buy buyyyyy
[2017-01-09 12:57:23] l3f : Might get a bigger dip here
[2017-01-09 12:57:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 200 @ 902.93
[2017-01-09 12:57:40] mariomarco : l3f: to 6250
[2017-01-09 12:57:47] muirtastic : These random dumps are getting old
[2017-01-09 12:57:56] l3f : another "dump"
[2017-01-09 12:57:59] l3f : where it slowly moves down
[2017-01-09 12:58:08] l3f : biggest fucking joke
[2017-01-09 12:58:27] mariomarco : l3f: yeah, fukking with ppl
[2017-01-09 13:00:09] l3f : This is the same time last night when it "dumped"
[2017-01-09 13:00:22] alejandromasari : Fucking my cat
[2017-01-09 13:00:41] mariomarco : l3f: yesterday this time, it did duump
[2017-01-09 13:01:02] l3f : let's hope it happens again
[2017-01-09 13:01:31] mariomarco : l3f: wtf for
[2017-01-09 13:01:35] alejandromasari : do we long or short?
[2017-01-09 13:01:35] mariomarco : if that happens all this was for nothing
[2017-01-09 13:01:51] l3f : personally I want a dump to get a lower entry
[2017-01-09 13:02:55] mariomarco : l3f: nu uh fuk dat shit, we need to see 950
[2017-01-09 13:02:56] mariomarco : https://s3.amazonaws.com/tradingview/snapshots/4/45yJnx3O.png
[2017-01-09 13:03:08] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/3Q5yJcsh/ 3 days of low body candles
[2017-01-09 13:03:09] mariomarco : if it falls again its DUN
[2017-01-09 13:03:18] l3f : mariomarco: If we test 770 then we'll get moon next time for sure
[2017-01-09 13:03:21] l3f : bag holders need to get cleaned out
[2017-01-09 13:03:35] l3f : aethlios: what does it me?
[2017-01-09 13:03:38] l3f : mean*
[2017-01-09 13:05:12] aethlios : l3f: bulls and bears fighting, but noone wins (The small real body (whether hollow or filled) shows little movement from open to close, and the shadows indicate that both bulls and bears were active during the session. Even though the session opened and closed with little change, prices moved significantly higher and lower in the meantime. Neither buyers nor sellers could gain the upper hand and the result was a standoff)
[2017-01-09 13:06:01] l3f : I think we'll need to wait a few days for the triangle to resolve
[2017-01-09 13:07:06] l3f : Last time it took over a month before the news of BFX hacked tipped it bear side
[2017-01-09 13:10:43] Dynamix : fuck trading bt c
[2017-01-09 13:10:47] l3f : aethlios: Just be aware the when it's going side ways it's usually a sign of a whale is accumulating
[2017-01-09 13:11:59] l3f : Here's what I think
[2017-01-09 13:12:08] l3f : if I was a whale, it would take me at least two months to accumulate
[2017-01-09 13:12:14] l3f : very patiently
[2017-01-09 13:12:26] l3f : By then we hit the trend line and we explode up
[2017-01-09 13:17:16] aethlios : l3f: we will move slowly up to 1170 spot like we did 465-775,
[2017-01-09 13:18:57] l3f : aethlios: The second clue is the volumes
[2017-01-09 13:19:07] l3f : The volume's insane compared the slowly moving up
[2017-01-09 13:19:14] l3f : and we're going side ways righ tnow
[2017-01-09 13:20:28] l3f : well sideways and slowly up
[2017-01-09 13:21:57] mariomarco : so we are waiting for a boom up?
[2017-01-09 13:22:59] l3f : My analysis is that whale dumped a lot of their holdings during the "crash" and are accmumlating right now
[2017-01-09 13:23:09] l3f : pushing the price down when neccessary
[2017-01-09 13:23:25] l3f : Sideways action with massive volume is your biggest clue
[2017-01-09 13:24:00] l3f : Unless they are trying to microsell their way out
[2017-01-09 13:24:03] l3f : We are up pretty high
[2017-01-09 13:24:26] l3f : Both of these cases it would be sideways with massive volume
[2017-01-09 13:25:18] mariomarco : l3f: all fine with that, but can we see 6500-6600
[2017-01-09 13:25:32] mariomarco : thats the only thing i want to know :D
[2017-01-09 13:25:34] l3f : mariomarco: yes but it may take weeks
[2017-01-09 13:25:41] mariomarco : WEEKS
[2017-01-09 13:25:45] mariomarco : fuck that
[2017-01-09 13:26:01] mariomarco : weeks for pissy 200cny
[2017-01-09 13:26:23] l3f : oh 6.5k
[2017-01-09 13:26:26] l3f : should be fine
[2017-01-09 13:26:31] l3f : are you a underwater long?
[2017-01-09 13:26:38] mariomarco : somewhat
[2017-01-09 13:26:43] l3f : Well then no
[2017-01-09 13:26:56] mariomarco : how then no
[2017-01-09 13:26:58] l3f : you do realise whales need you to sell at a loss before we can move up right?
[2017-01-09 13:27:11] mariomarco : yes i am a real major problem for whales
[2017-01-09 13:27:16] mariomarco : my order is 500btc
[2017-01-09 13:27:18] l3f : If all you underwater kids are going to sell into the pump then it won't be a very nice pump
[2017-01-09 13:27:55] l3f : I think weeks is appropiate then
[2017-01-09 13:28:05] mariomarco : i dont have a 500 order lol
[2017-01-09 13:28:11] mariomarco : more like half a bitcoin
[2017-01-09 13:28:13] mariomarco : lol
[2017-01-09 13:28:23] mariomarco : jsut testing this scam fukkery
[2017-01-09 13:28:48] mariomarco : because im not in a mood to lose 1btc in 10minutes of their scam tricks
[2017-01-09 13:29:05] l3f : hahaha
[2017-01-09 13:29:13] l3f : well just hold
[2017-01-09 13:29:18] l3f : you'll live
[2017-01-09 13:29:22] mariomarco : i just might
[2017-01-09 13:29:25] l3f : but you're trapped up high
[2017-01-09 13:29:32] l3f : and whales know that
[2017-01-09 13:29:38] mariomarco : im not , my entry is 900 from yesterday
[2017-01-09 13:30:01] l3f : It's 901 now...
[2017-01-09 13:30:03] mariomarco : so i lived through all this dump for basically nothing, if its going to dump again
[2017-01-09 13:30:14] l3f : just chillax
[2017-01-09 13:30:23] mariomarco : im not even rage braah :D
[2017-01-09 13:31:48] happy : Wow, Huobi/OKcoins are flat, and this drop 4 dollars
[2017-01-09 13:32:28] l3f : Second possible scenario, whale's trying to microsell out
[2017-01-09 13:32:50] l3f : The reason is this, low volume on the rises, high volume on the falls
[2017-01-09 13:33:18] l3f : I'm going to have to go over the volumes again
[2017-01-09 13:33:19] l3f : sigh
[2017-01-09 13:34:01] mariomarco : l3f: why do they want to sell out
[2017-01-09 13:34:26] l3f : mariomarco: Need another yacht
[2017-01-09 13:35:12] mariomarco : l3f: tru dat
[2017-01-09 13:46:45] Dynamix : Time to get back to blackhat to make my btc back haha
[2017-01-09 13:49:49] l3f : aethlios: do you remember the time the market moved 4% up and down with in 10 minutes?
[2017-01-09 13:49:54] l3f : It happened twice
[2017-01-09 13:51:01] l3f : and the time it formed a H&S on the chart?
[2017-01-09 13:51:04] l3f : that was like art
[2017-01-09 14:03:36] happy : Anyone Long bitcoin at this moment?
[2017-01-09 14:06:00] mariomarco : happy: i am
[2017-01-09 14:07:01] sleger : aethlios: but your bids are at 710 so you'll miss out ?
[2017-01-09 14:07:39] arbitrage001 : i miss out.
[2017-01-09 14:07:44] arbitrage001 : my bid at 1 dollar
[2017-01-09 14:08:03] arbitrage001 : send my ask at 100000
[2017-01-09 14:08:08] arbitrage001 : and
[2017-01-09 14:09:42] Alignment : sleger whats your position atm
[2017-01-09 14:14:17] sleger : seated
[2017-01-09 14:19:48] Alignment : lmao
[2017-01-09 14:20:26] Alignment : why dont' traders share their position? if we add more weight towards your position ifts beneficial to you isnt it?
[2017-01-09 14:20:45] l3f : Mine is reverse cow girl
[2017-01-09 14:26:21] Chewie : what's urs Alignment?\
[2017-01-09 14:27:25] Dynamix : will it dump?
[2017-01-09 14:27:33] Dynamix : gonna go 50x lvg
[2017-01-09 14:27:42] Dynamix : with my last bucks
[2017-01-09 14:27:45] arbitrage001 : it will pump and dump
[2017-01-09 14:27:50] arbitrage001 : or dump and pump
[2017-01-09 14:27:54] Dynamix : myh
[2017-01-09 14:27:59] Dynamix : can it go sideways ?
[2017-01-09 14:28:03] arbitrage001 : hardly
[2017-01-09 14:28:06] Dynamix : or backwards ?
[2017-01-09 14:28:13] Dynamix : myh
[2017-01-09 14:30:08] Alignment : i dont have one closed everything
[2017-01-09 14:30:24] arbitrage001 : Alignment: me too
[2017-01-09 14:30:34] arbitrage001 : too scare to trade in this environment
[2017-01-09 14:30:35] Alignment : im trading with my guts
[2017-01-09 14:30:43] arbitrage001 : i am trading with my balls
[2017-01-09 14:30:45] Alignment : if i dont have the gut feeling i dont trade
[2017-01-09 14:30:57] arbitrage001 : my crystal ball dim out
[2017-01-09 14:41:39] Rado2 : lol
[2017-01-09 14:41:48] Rado2 : you guys are funny
[2017-01-09 15:07:41] sleger : meanwhile eth back up
[2017-01-09 15:17:48] elmorte : ooh nice
[2017-01-09 15:18:12] rapidtrades : dam shitter up
[2017-01-09 15:19:49] StanTheMan : when is eth going to pump again
[2017-01-09 15:25:17] elmorte : heh, my ETH limit on Polo triggered.
[2017-01-09 15:26:31] elmorte : Now just MAID, LSK and ZEC to go...
[2017-01-09 15:29:24] StanTheMan : damn my ltc 20x long was margin called on the okcasino
[2017-01-09 15:30:06] StanTheMan : ltc did a 110% retrace of that pump
[2017-01-09 15:30:45] StanTheMan : then goes sideways for 52 hours lol
[2017-01-09 15:31:26] l3f : Thoughts on XBTUSD?
[2017-01-09 15:33:18] rapidtrades : u know i wouldn't mind the funding if it made sense
[2017-01-09 15:33:45] rapidtrades : but going up it was peanuts for longs and now shorts are getting charged even though we#re going up!
[2017-01-09 15:39:46] sleger : elmorte: what you mean by "limit on polo" ?
[2017-01-09 15:40:54] Rado2 : rapidtrades: price of XBTUSD is matching spot right now
[2017-01-09 15:41:02] Rado2 : so you could argue that the funding is fine
[2017-01-09 15:42:45] l3f : sleger: whales' accumulating right now
[2017-01-09 15:42:46] l3f : I have evidence
[2017-01-09 15:42:55] l3f : everything fits
[2017-01-09 15:43:21] l3f : and this guy's strong, he's got shit tons of capital
[2017-01-09 15:43:34] Rado2 : looks like we will trade in a range for a few more days
[2017-01-09 15:43:36] Rado2 : if not more
[2017-01-09 15:43:54] sleger : l3f: where do you think he is buying (exchange) ?
[2017-01-09 15:44:11] Rado2 : l3f: evidence?
[2017-01-09 15:44:26] l3f : sleger: okc
[2017-01-09 15:44:35] l3f : look at the chart and tell me what you see
[2017-01-09 15:44:58] l3f : BTCCNY
[2017-01-09 15:45:15] Apocalyptic : l3f: if you believe something strong enough you'll see it on every chart
[2017-01-09 15:45:24] sleger : btccny wont mean much because 0 fees so you can make the graph say what you want by wash trading
[2017-01-09 15:47:33] l3f : I'll tell ya in private
[2017-01-09 15:48:02] l3f : too many ppl leeching here
[2017-01-09 15:49:15] brojo : i want to leech
[2017-01-09 15:50:54] sleger : brojo: just buy !!
[2017-01-09 15:51:49] rustiv : let the leechers leech
[2017-01-09 15:52:13] l3f : brojo: ya just buy
[2017-01-09 15:55:54] Rado2 : l3f: insider trading :-)
[2017-01-09 15:56:14] Dynamix : up or down we go ?
[2017-01-09 15:56:26] sleger : it comes from public market data so not really
[2017-01-09 15:57:21] Rado2 : sleger: if it's from public data then it will not help you at all
[2017-01-09 15:57:27] Rado2 : since everyone else knows the same thing
[2017-01-09 15:57:35] sleger : your bot uses public data too
[2017-01-09 15:57:39] l3f : sleger: well do you see anything with okc?
[2017-01-09 15:57:51] sleger : not everyone looks at things the right way
[2017-01-09 15:57:59] Rado2 : sleger: that is true
[2017-01-09 15:58:11] sleger : l3f: no, but i only looked at bitcoinwisdom graph
[2017-01-09 15:58:25] l3f : ok huge volumes when moving side ways is 100% accumulation
[2017-01-09 15:58:26] Rado2 : but that is not advantage because of knowledge
[2017-01-09 15:58:42] sleger : l3f: i see similar volumes all the time. what timeframe you looking at ?
[2017-01-09 15:59:03] l3f : Compare current hourly volumes with volumes during upwards movement back in december
[2017-01-09 15:59:04] l3f : it's almost double
[2017-01-09 15:59:21] l3f : and we're going side ways
[2017-01-09 15:59:45] sleger : l3f: it's double because volatility is much higher even if just sideways
[2017-01-09 15:59:56] Rado2 : yep
[2017-01-09 16:00:07] Rado2 : volume always goes up during breakouts and breakdowns
[2017-01-09 16:00:14] sleger : something happens every 4 hours now
[2017-01-09 16:00:19] sleger : here on bitmex
[2017-01-09 16:00:24] sleger : at mid funding
[2017-01-09 16:00:27] sleger : what is it ?
[2017-01-09 16:00:59] l3f : We've moved like 2 cny
[2017-01-09 16:01:03] Rado2 : sleger: what did you notice?
[2017-01-09 16:01:26] l3f : Rado2: A ghost
[2017-01-09 16:01:29] sleger : Rado2: buy /sell buttons disappeared just at 4hrs before funding
[2017-01-09 16:01:35] sleger : just like they do at funding
[2017-01-09 16:01:42] l3f : Yeah I had that happen
[2017-01-09 16:01:48] l3f : I think they're liive updating the UI
[2017-01-09 16:02:04] l3f : The instrument also get disabled with a "instrument not available"
[2017-01-09 16:02:05] l3f : thing
[2017-01-09 16:02:06] sleger : i think they will change funding to 4hrs maybe
[2017-01-09 16:02:08] Rado2 : sleger: so they stop/refresh the engine
[2017-01-09 16:02:29] l3f : whenever people say "something happened"
[2017-01-09 16:02:32] l3f : is really spooky
[2017-01-09 16:02:35] sleger : this way higher funding but they can keep their 100x
[2017-01-09 16:03:44] Rado2 : sleger: you mean they will reduce the rate but charge it twice more often?
[2017-01-09 16:03:51] sleger : Rado2: no
[2017-01-09 16:03:54] sleger : keep same logic
[2017-01-09 16:04:01] sleger : but on 4hrs instead of 8
[2017-01-09 16:04:08] Rado2 : isn't that bad fo rpeople who have to pay?
[2017-01-09 16:04:17] l3f : sleger: Compare volumes on btcchina
[2017-01-09 16:04:18] l3f : with okc
[2017-01-09 16:04:19] sleger : on average it shouldnt change anything
[2017-01-09 16:04:22] l3f : at the same intervals
[2017-01-09 16:04:29] l3f : okc is double
[2017-01-09 16:04:35] l3f : right now
[2017-01-09 16:04:52] l3f : You don't see the accumulation pattern on btcchina
[2017-01-09 16:04:57] sleger : l3f: okc is also almost same volume all the time because its fake volume (wash trading)
[2017-01-09 16:05:17] l3f : No but during this period of side ways, okc has double compared to rising
[2017-01-09 16:05:20] l3f : on btcchina
[2017-01-09 16:05:23] sleger : you're just looking at bots trading against themselves and creating fake volume
[2017-01-09 16:05:39] l3f : You think they turned on more bots for the sideways?
[2017-01-09 16:05:56] sleger : and the 1 hour volume is 50k coin so what someone is buying 25k coins an hour ?
[2017-01-09 16:06:02] sleger : lol
[2017-01-09 16:06:11] Rado2 : sleger: why would they want to create fake volume? I don't see the advantage.
[2017-01-09 16:06:48] sleger : place 100btc ask, have your other bot take it, gives the impression of strong buy, price goes up
[2017-01-09 16:06:57] sleger : this is basic manipulation
[2017-01-09 16:06:58] l3f : Why would okc have significantly more volume during this particular side ways movement compared to other chinese exchanges?
[2017-01-09 16:07:03] sleger : super easy with 0 fee
[2017-01-09 16:07:54] l3f : You don't think this is accumulation?
[2017-01-09 16:08:08] BitMEX_Sam : Like spoofing, but even easier to do because there's no laws against washing
[2017-01-09 16:08:09] sleger : not really
[2017-01-09 16:08:21] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: are you thinking about changing funding period to 4 hours ?
[2017-01-09 16:08:32] l3f : sleger: no other explaination?
[2017-01-09 16:08:41] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: No, we are running archive jobs more frequently due to the increased load on the system
[2017-01-09 16:08:41] sleger : dont think so
[2017-01-09 16:09:00] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: that makes the buy/sell buttons disappear briefly ?
[2017-01-09 16:09:05] BitMEX_Sam : yes
[2017-01-09 16:09:09] sleger : ok thanks
[2017-01-09 16:09:16] StanTheMan : this is distribution before another leg down. the sellers will buy back lower
[2017-01-09 16:09:22] BitMEX_Sam : The instrument closes for a brief time during that archive, and when instruments are closed the buy/sell buttons disappear
[2017-01-09 16:09:33] BitMEX_Sam : Since we push every delta out the websocket, this one gets pushed too
[2017-01-09 16:10:06] BitMEX_Sam : In the near future we'll be optimizing this
[2017-01-09 16:10:52] l3f : StanTheMan: why would he do that?
[2017-01-09 16:11:08] l3f : You think this is microselling out?
[2017-01-09 16:11:16] l3f : certainly possible
[2017-01-09 16:11:36] l3f : Either accumulation or just microexiting
[2017-01-09 16:11:48] l3f : both would raise volumes with sideways
[2017-01-09 16:15:14] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Sam: I've noticed yesterday that longing at x1 on H17 gave me a liquidation price in the 400s, how is this possible ? It's supposed to be 0 in this case
[2017-01-09 16:15:39] l3f : Also what is up with the liquidity
[2017-01-09 16:15:40] l3f : why is it so bad?
[2017-01-09 16:16:13] Apocalyptic : l3f: the main MM probably left the building during the crazy volatility
[2017-01-09 16:16:29] l3f : We need more MMs :)
[2017-01-09 16:16:49] StanTheMan : l3f: a lot of new buyers buying the top or averaging down that will panic dump.
[2017-01-09 16:16:50] odieoh : Is there a fairly simple bot available to play with? Interested in creating an account with a very low balance just to play around with botting for the first time
[2017-01-09 16:17:07] Apocalyptic : or he just increased the spread he quotes quite q bit
[2017-01-09 16:17:08] BitMEX_Greg : l3f: What product are you referring to? I see the main MM still quoting
[2017-01-09 16:17:19] l3f : BitMEX_Greg: Look at xbtusd
[2017-01-09 16:17:23] l3f : It's gaping
[2017-01-09 16:17:40] l3f : Whenevner it moves slightly it gapes
[2017-01-09 16:18:00] BitMEX_Greg : l3f: $ wise or % wise?
[2017-01-09 16:18:06] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Greg: Please can you take a look at my question above ?
[2017-01-09 16:18:08] BitMEX_Greg : Apocalyptic: Will take a look at this
[2017-01-09 16:18:18] l3f : Both?
[2017-01-09 16:18:34] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Greg: It's the same at testnet, I tried with 1 contract yesterday
[2017-01-09 16:18:44] BitMEX_Sam : Apocalyptic: Both XBTUSD & XBTH17 are inverse contracts
[2017-01-09 16:18:48] BitMEX_Sam : See the calculator for more details
[2017-01-09 16:19:21] BitMEX_Sam : So when you buy one contract, you're putting up the amount of bitcoin equal to US$1
[2017-01-09 16:19:33] BitMEX_Sam : If Bitcoin went to 0, you couldn't possibly have put up enough to equal $1
[2017-01-09 16:19:33] l3f : Is the post-only thing fixed with stops?
[2017-01-09 16:19:39] BitMEX_Greg : l3f: Not sure what you mean, our MM tells us they have not changed anything
[2017-01-09 16:19:41] Apocalyptic : right, I'm not longing with USD...
[2017-01-09 16:19:51] l3f : BitMEX_Greg: ah nevermind then
[2017-01-09 16:19:55] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Sam: thanks
[2017-01-09 16:19:59] BitMEX_Greg : l3f: Can you explain in more detail?
[2017-01-09 16:22:39] BitMEX_Sam : l3f: I recall your question
[2017-01-09 16:22:54] BitMEX_Sam : That is not a bug; the post-only preference is simply saved, you are assuming it is sent with Trailing Stops but it is not
[2017-01-09 16:22:59] l3f : I know
[2017-01-09 16:23:00] l3f : but in the UI
[2017-01-09 16:23:04] l3f : the checkbox is in another tab
[2017-01-09 16:23:14] BitMEX_Sam : Yes - how is that an issue? It is saving your preferences for a different order type
[2017-01-09 16:23:26] l3f : But the checkbox in the other tab affects my stop!
[2017-01-09 16:23:32] BitMEX_Sam : No, it doesn't.
[2017-01-09 16:23:48] l3f : Then why is my stop post only?
[2017-01-09 16:23:51] BitMEX_Sam : As I mentioned, the post-only instruction is not sent with Trailing Stops or Stop Market orders
[2017-01-09 16:24:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 890.48
[2017-01-09 16:24:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 12000 @ 890.59
[2017-01-09 16:24:05] l3f : Well then I had stops get cancelled
[2017-01-09 16:24:13] l3f : and they were market stops
[2017-01-09 16:24:44] BitMEX_Sam : That's possible if you didn't choose `Close` and didn't have the margin to actually execute the order
[2017-01-09 16:24:48] BitMEX_Sam : This is possible if you have other open orders
[2017-01-09 16:24:56] Apocalyptic : l3f: maybe other close on trigger orders cancelled them ?
[2017-01-09 16:25:03] l3f : Quite possible
[2017-01-09 16:25:10] l3f : I will be more dilligent next time
[2017-01-09 16:25:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 900 @ 890.10
[2017-01-09 16:25:31] zfan : BitMEX_Greg: you said "our MM". Does it mean bitmex is quoting?
[2017-01-09 16:26:12] BitMEX_Sam : zfan: No, he's referring to our lead MM, which is an external party
[2017-01-09 16:26:35] zfan : BitMEX_Sam: ok, thanks!
[2017-01-09 16:26:56] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Sam: if you can disclose it, is it micmix ?
[2017-01-09 16:27:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5000 @ 887.88
[2017-01-09 16:27:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 200 @ 918.31
[2017-01-09 16:27:27] REKT : :roller_coaster: :chart_with_downwards_trend: :japanese_goblin:
[2017-01-09 16:27:57] sleger : Apocalyptic: its not
[2017-01-09 16:28:16] sleger : according to micmix
[2017-01-09 16:28:22] BitMEX_Greg : zfan: No. As Sam mentions, it is a MM that a relationship with us. It is "our", i.e. BitMEX's, main market maker
[2017-01-09 16:28:34] BitMEX_Greg : as in the main market maker on the platform
[2017-01-09 16:29:08] BitMEX_Greg : Apocalyptic: We do not reveal our client's information
[2017-01-09 16:29:41] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Greg: understandable
[2017-01-09 16:35:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 1 @ 6464.9 :punch: :whale:
[2017-01-09 16:36:50] StanTheMan : how come Fills no longer shows the fee paid for opening / closing a position?
[2017-01-09 16:37:28] Rado2 : StanTheMan: you can see them here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2017-01-09 16:38:01] StanTheMan : all right. i'll bookmark that
[2017-01-09 16:38:06] StanTheMan : thx
[2017-01-09 16:38:15] elmorte : sleger: I meant filled. Sometimes I buy alts when I think they're undervalued and set a limit at some hopeful price
[2017-01-09 16:38:20] Rado2 : np
[2017-01-09 16:38:30] BitMEX_Sam : StanTheMan: We found that panel was wider than the others and was scrolling; the Trade History has complete info
[2017-01-09 16:38:43] sleger : elmorte: oh ok, i thought there was some kind of limit somewhere, pos limit or else
[2017-01-09 16:42:35] moo : is Bitcoinscam going down agaiin?
[2017-01-09 16:43:12] Rado2 : BitMEX_Sam: I noticed that the expires error happens only on the 3rd level order. Added a logging of my local time to see why does it take so long to prepare and submit the orders
[2017-01-09 16:43:33] BitMEX_Sam : Your 'expires' time that you're sending might not be regenerated properly
[2017-01-09 16:43:41] BitMEX_Sam : Be sure to log your local time, what you sent, and the error
[2017-01-09 16:46:54] Rado2 : BitMEX_Sam: will do
[2017-01-09 16:48:41] RocketScience : Is Rado2 =blue Rado?
[2017-01-09 16:49:03] sleger : RocketScience: yes
[2017-01-09 16:50:21] arbitrage101 : lots of new name here lately
[2017-01-09 16:50:33] StanTheMan : yeah
[2017-01-09 16:50:50] CrazyAlfy : BitMEX_Sam: Would it be possible for BitMEX to publish the exec prices for XBTUSD in the contracts funding history?
[2017-01-09 16:51:21] StanTheMan : 900,000 more xbth17 contracts and the price is the same. time for a dump and more longs margin called
[2017-01-09 16:53:53] moo : its going down hard!
[2017-01-09 16:53:55] moo : 250$
[2017-01-09 16:54:56] RocketScience : https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/818500764498694144
[2017-01-09 16:55:03] RocketScience : more unverified fud
[2017-01-09 16:55:28] Rado2 : moo: your post have no value
[2017-01-09 16:55:39] Rado2 : also don't affect anyone if you were thinking they do
[2017-01-09 16:55:43] arbitrage101 : RocketScience: how is it unverified?
[2017-01-09 16:55:46] RocketScience : moo go back to milking your cows
[2017-01-09 16:56:01] arbitrage101 : i just milked my mojo
[2017-01-09 16:56:03] RocketScience : it says so...like unnoficial
[2017-01-09 16:56:26] RocketScience : i don't know, i didn't take the time to translate the original article which is in chinese letters
[2017-01-09 16:56:30] Rado2 : I would love if China prevents exchanges to print fake volume somehow
[2017-01-09 16:56:51] arbitrage101 : hard to define what is real
[2017-01-09 16:56:57] Rado2 : it will be great if we can compare apples to apples what are the volumes between East and West
[2017-01-09 16:57:42] moo : China bans come in waves
[2017-01-09 16:57:46] moo : prepare for 4000 yuan
[2017-01-09 16:59:08] RocketScience : 6200 test 2
[2017-01-09 16:59:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 1400 @ 6392.3
[2017-01-09 17:08:08] thailand : is interest charged on using margin/leverage on the future contracts (XBCH17)?
[2017-01-09 17:09:38] arbitrage101 : thailand: the rate is build in the premium
[2017-01-09 17:09:49] arbitrage101 : you are paying higher than spot rate to long
[2017-01-09 17:09:52] BitMEX_Greg : thailand: The funding rate is charged on your entire position
[2017-01-09 17:09:53] thailand : I thought so, just wanted to know if there was additional
[2017-01-09 17:09:54] thailand : thanks
[2017-01-09 17:10:23] abbey : moo: we are going to moon, take it or leave it
[2017-01-09 17:10:24] Apocalyptic : thailand: there is no funding fee on H17
[2017-01-09 17:10:26] BitMEX_Greg : thailand: Only on the XBTUSD swap. There is no funding on the Futures Contracts
[2017-01-09 17:11:41] Alignment : bitmex please add perpetual swap for ETH and XMR
[2017-01-09 17:12:07] arbitrage101 : Alignment: they did
[2017-01-09 17:12:14] arbitrage101 : it didnt work out
[2017-01-09 17:12:22] arbitrage101 : so it is switch back to future
[2017-01-09 17:12:33] Alignment : when did they?
[2017-01-09 17:12:41] arbitrage101 : not too long ago
[2017-01-09 17:12:43] Alignment : and why didnt it work out? no volume?
[2017-01-09 17:12:56] arbitrage101 : no volume and extremely high funding fee
[2017-01-09 17:15:51] Alignment : k
[2017-01-09 17:28:48] QuantFocus : hey guys
[2017-01-09 17:28:51] sleger : but 30days future would be much better than 7d
[2017-01-09 17:29:06] QuantFocus : hope you had a relaxing weekend.
[2017-01-09 17:34:22] QuantFocus : so the alt-coin pump cycle lasted quite long last year, and started early
[2017-01-09 17:34:58] cxche : Yoo what's the leverage max for spot?
[2017-01-09 17:35:02] cxche : quick
[2017-01-09 17:35:13] QuantFocus : i was going to respond quickly
[2017-01-09 17:35:30] ayy_lmao : hello amigos
[2017-01-09 17:35:30] QuantFocus : but then you said quick
[2017-01-09 17:35:31] QuantFocus : so i figured i'd drag it out a bit
[2017-01-09 17:35:37] QuantFocus : it's 100x
[2017-01-09 17:35:49] cxche : Really?
[2017-01-09 17:35:51] QuantFocus : ayy_lmao: :+1:
[2017-01-09 17:36:15] cxche : For Bitcoin spot?
[2017-01-09 17:37:42] odieoh : yes
[2017-01-09 17:37:48] QuantFocus : it says it right in the name
[2017-01-09 17:37:57] QuantFocus : Perpetual Swap (100x)
[2017-01-09 17:38:08] odieoh : But does 100x really mean 5x?
[2017-01-09 17:38:11] odieoh : how do I know?
[2017-01-09 17:38:17] QuantFocus : you know, good question
[2017-01-09 17:38:23] QuantFocus : let me get carl sagan on the line
[2017-01-09 17:38:27] odieoh : it could even mean 7x
[2017-01-09 17:38:56] QuantFocus : carl says it really means 100rekt
[2017-01-09 17:39:08] odieoh : Carl is a wise ghost
[2017-01-09 17:39:36] sleger : i like how the newb comes, asks a stupid question and then says "quick" and you guys answer him
[2017-01-09 17:40:18] odieoh : @cxche, you can trade with 100x but if you actually leverage that much, the natural little swings in the market will get you liquidated pretty quick
[2017-01-09 17:40:56] sleger : odieoh: hey what's the open interest on swap ?
[2017-01-09 17:40:56] sleger : quick
[2017-01-09 17:41:37] odieoh : lil short of 4 million
[2017-01-09 17:41:59] odieoh : whats the temperature in Spain?
[2017-01-09 17:42:04] odieoh : QUICK
[2017-01-09 17:42:11] sleger : 23
[2017-01-09 17:42:34] odieoh : In F you heathen
[2017-01-09 17:42:41] QuantFocus : yea, it's a fault to be good natured
[2017-01-09 17:42:45] odieoh : Who uses Celsius anyway
[2017-01-09 17:42:49] odieoh : oh yeah everyone
[2017-01-09 17:43:08] sleger : odieoh: spain
[2017-01-09 17:43:12] sleger : they use C
[2017-01-09 17:43:56] sleger : QuantFocus: did you notice how he said thank you as well
[2017-01-09 17:44:06] QuantFocus : :(
[2017-01-09 17:44:16] sleger : cxche: your parents did a very bad job educating you
[2017-01-09 17:46:30] FreeMoney : hi guys
[2017-01-09 17:46:52] FreeMoney : its not holding this line.
[2017-01-09 17:47:08] FreeMoney : I haz taken short position for the moment
[2017-01-09 17:47:35] StanTheMan : wow open interest on swap is so low
[2017-01-09 17:47:53] StanTheMan : xbth17 almost has more. seems people like low premium and no funding
[2017-01-09 17:48:08] StanTheMan : makes sense because if price rises so does the premium. doesnt make sense to pay 0.375 in funding every 8 hours
[2017-01-09 17:51:04] sleger : the people who entered with >100$ premium certainly wouldnt agree
[2017-01-09 17:51:39] FreeMoney : mod I want to set a cover for my short much lower and also rebuy some coins. this possible?
[2017-01-09 17:52:52] FreeMoney : sleger: can we hang out while I pick your brains for trading insight?
[2017-01-09 17:53:18] FreeMoney : there are 4-5 guys here who I know are most expertise
[2017-01-09 17:53:39] sleger : i'm afraid i can't do that dave
[2017-01-09 17:53:58] FreeMoney : sleger: lol dave?
[2017-01-09 17:54:12] QuantFocus : yea, from that movie Andre 3000
[2017-01-09 17:54:46] FreeMoney : He is guarding valuable information
[2017-01-09 17:54:47] QuantFocus : where the wu tang clan goes back to the future
[2017-01-09 17:54:55] FreeMoney : lmao
[2017-01-09 17:55:17] FreeMoney : cannot get in the hands of the wrong trader for bitcoin would never be the same
[2017-01-09 17:56:43] QuantFocus : orly
[2017-01-09 17:56:52] StanTheMan : QuantFocus: have you seen this wu tang clan clip? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBNlhoNMIzM
[2017-01-09 17:59:27] QuantFocus : love it
[2017-01-09 17:59:36] QuantFocus : white people are so weird
[2017-01-09 18:00:31] sleger : are you a c.e.o. ?
[2017-01-09 18:02:06] QuantFocus : i own a pharmaceutical company
[2017-01-09 18:02:31] sleger : nice !
[2017-01-09 18:02:46] sleger : are you martin ?
[2017-01-09 18:02:58] QuantFocus : nope
[2017-01-09 18:03:01] sleger : :(
[2017-01-09 18:03:08] sleger : love that guy
[2017-01-09 18:03:20] QuantFocus : he's the trolliest
[2017-01-09 18:04:31] StanTheMan : LTC has SegWit and look at the monthly bbands http://i.imgur.com/D6LHmwv.png
[2017-01-09 18:05:05] anonymous123421 : huh, interesting
[2017-01-09 18:05:09] QuantFocus : nice
[2017-01-09 18:05:20] QuantFocus : i'm a LTC bull
[2017-01-09 18:05:31] QuantFocus : fundamentally as well
[2017-01-09 18:05:51] sleger : really ?
[2017-01-09 18:05:58] sleger : i understand it might pump one more time
[2017-01-09 18:05:59] QuantFocus : if there truly is a need to move significant capital, it's still one of the most liquid alts, and trustworthy networks
[2017-01-09 18:06:05] sleger : but ... it's just a copycat
[2017-01-09 18:06:17] anonymous123421 : What does it offer compared to other alts?
[2017-01-09 18:06:19] QuantFocus : right, but that blockchain can handle high volume capital
[2017-01-09 18:06:20] sleger : there is eth
[2017-01-09 18:06:44] QuantFocus : there will need to be more than btc + 1 alt to absorb volume
[2017-01-09 18:06:59] StanTheMan : ltc only liquid on okcoin and huobi
[2017-01-09 18:06:59] QuantFocus : any of the top 5 alts are probably poised for capital inflows
[2017-01-09 18:07:17] QuantFocus : institutional capital inflows to crypto
[2017-01-09 18:07:22] sleger : i have some xmr, eth and etc
[2017-01-09 18:07:33] QuantFocus : i'm mostly posturing at this point, but there is some rationale there
[2017-01-09 18:07:35] sleger : i have some ltc too
[2017-01-09 18:07:57] StanTheMan : better have some ltc
[2017-01-09 18:08:06] anonymous123421 : Should I stash away some alts for holding? I feel like ETH might be worth something in a while
[2017-01-09 18:08:10] sleger : 2500ltc i had forgotten for about a year and then discovered in the 0kcoin futures wallet
[2017-01-09 18:08:11] StanTheMan : crazy china fatcats will buy ltc
[2017-01-09 18:08:13] QuantFocus : trillions in worldwide capital looking for an exit hatch. btc can't absorb it all
[2017-01-09 18:08:50] arbitrage101 : sleger: that is a lot of money to be forget
[2017-01-09 18:08:58] QuantFocus : right?
[2017-01-09 18:08:59] StanTheMan : eth market cap too high
[2017-01-09 18:09:13] zanza : QuantFocus: BTC has to absord it, you can only trade BTC for fiat
[2017-01-09 18:09:18] QuantFocus : i found a $20 in my pocket the other day. I was pretty happy
[2017-01-09 18:09:27] StanTheMan : ltc has to do a 5x to match ETH market cap
[2017-01-09 18:09:35] QuantFocus : zanza: that's definitely not true
[2017-01-09 18:09:40] QuantFocus : there are fiat to eth/ltc exchanges
[2017-01-09 18:09:44] rapidtrades : LTC looks dead
[2017-01-09 18:09:46] rapidtrades : buy ZEC
[2017-01-09 18:09:50] zanza : coinbase only
[2017-01-09 18:09:56] QuantFocus : for now...
[2017-01-09 18:10:08] QuantFocus : if the demand is there, they can flip the switch
[2017-01-09 18:10:16] QuantFocus : like i said, mostly posturing.
[2017-01-09 18:10:32] QuantFocus : just something to keep on your radar
[2017-01-09 18:11:36] QuantFocus : and finally, i think the negative news cycle is coming to an end on ETH
[2017-01-09 18:11:59] QuantFocus : drove the price down enough for accumulation to occur again. will be interesting to see what they do this year
[2017-01-09 18:12:03] arbitrage101 : QuantFocus: dont see any smart contract coin coming out
[2017-01-09 18:13:41] StanTheMan : i'm waiting for FCT to pump. 25 million market cap now. a lot of room to grow
[2017-01-09 18:14:06] QuantFocus : i don't own any yet, but i was planning on allocating a bit there
[2017-01-09 18:14:07] QuantFocus : strong team
[2017-01-09 18:14:16] QuantFocus : StanTheMan:
[2017-01-09 18:15:09] StanTheMan : for sure
[2017-01-09 18:15:50] QuantFocus : it's a technology layer for btc, right?
[2017-01-09 18:15:54] QuantFocus : i read a little about it but forget now
[2017-01-09 18:18:06] StanTheMan : yeah
[2017-01-09 18:18:26] StanTheMan : taking a while to develop
[2017-01-09 18:18:38] StanTheMan : if they had a team of a bunch of people working full time it'd go quicker
[2017-01-09 18:19:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 1 @ 0.014357
[2017-01-09 18:19:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 67 @ 0.014376
[2017-01-09 18:19:04] StanTheMan : that's why i wonder if there are any secret projects being working on that'll come out this year
[2017-01-09 18:19:11] QuantFocus : as i recall they've raised substantial outside VC...
[2017-01-09 18:19:13] StanTheMan : xmr dumping
[2017-01-09 18:19:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 2 @ 0.014281
[2017-01-09 18:19:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 100 @ 0.014259
[2017-01-09 18:21:48] StanTheMan : xmr took a big dump
[2017-01-09 18:27:22] QuantFocus : don't know if you guys saw this: http://www.coindesk.com/11-trillion-bet-dtcc-clear-derivatives-blockchain-tech/
[2017-01-09 18:28:37] QuantFocus : doesn't directly benefit btc, but blockchain adoption is positive imo
[2017-01-09 18:28:56] StanTheMan : there we go. xbth17 has more contracts open than swap
[2017-01-09 18:35:38] StanTheMan : i thought there was suppose to be some big announcement for ETH today
[2017-01-09 18:36:32] StanTheMan : nice xmr bounce off that dump
[2017-01-09 18:36:51] StanTheMan : was hoping to get filled but never did :(
[2017-01-09 18:40:58] rapidtrades : QuantFocus: omg blockchain adoption...let's all buy bicorns!
[2017-01-09 18:41:33] StanTheMan : btc new low
[2017-01-09 18:42:34] QuantFocus : rapidtrades: you're just mad cause you're short
[2017-01-09 18:43:51] Dynamix : not really
[2017-01-09 18:44:02] StanTheMan : damn xmr should have fomo in on that dump
[2017-01-09 18:44:29] StanTheMan : up 6%
[2017-01-09 18:44:50] StanTheMan : big ltc/btc buy on btce
[2017-01-09 18:45:14] StanTheMan : is the ltc pump to 88.88 cny starting