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[2017-01-09 08:34:06] KingTuna : aethlios: Or just put a stop loss in place rather than adding margin
[2017-01-09 08:34:57] j8 : wouldn't holding your btc in fiat just be holding fiat?
[2017-01-09 08:34:58] aethlios : Alignment: if you buy march you don't pay fees and if leave close to top you also gained from premium increase. before pump premium was 45 and could sell at 150 premium.
[2017-01-09 08:35:49] Alignment : what is march? the future contract? and why you don't pay fees?
[2017-01-09 08:36:12] aethlios : yes the future, fees you mean the funding the swap has???
[2017-01-09 08:36:26] Alignment : no i meant the margin fees
[2017-01-09 08:36:45] Alignment : next rally will be in 6 months or so
[2017-01-09 08:36:52] aethlios : Alignment: what are the margin fees??
[2017-01-09 08:37:01] moo : https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2017-01-09/bitcoin-assault-shows-no-target-is-too-small-for-china
[2017-01-09 08:37:03] moo : bye, scam!
[2017-01-09 08:37:07] Alignment : the fees you pay wen you long or short bitcoin on margin
[2017-01-09 08:37:36] aethlios : in what contract?? here in bitmex i mean.
[2017-01-09 08:37:50] Alignment : perpetual swap
[2017-01-09 08:38:11] Alignment : what i meant is that since you know next rally will bring us to 2K+, the good move is to go margin long
[2017-01-09 08:39:23] KingTuna : Not if the PBOV has anything to do with it
[2017-01-09 08:39:34] KingTuna : they can stop a really any time they please
[2017-01-09 08:39:43] KingTuna : rally*
[2017-01-09 08:39:49] MikeHunt : china wants devaluation
[2017-01-09 08:39:55] MikeHunt : they just dont want US on their heels
[2017-01-09 08:39:57] aethlios : Alignment: ok swap is bad for keeping it long term because you pay funding to shorts, so better use march contract (3 month) XBTH17. has no funding fees, it has a premium but you can avoid paying it at the end.
[2017-01-09 08:40:16] MikeHunt : as long as bitcoin/usd gradually climbs they are ok with it
[2017-01-09 08:40:41] KingTuna : Whilst BTC is at a lull, I'm in ETH.. This has some momentum.. And me no care about mETH haters, I purely in it for the money hehe
[2017-01-09 08:40:58] Alignment : aethlios: yeah but if btc rally is in july you miss it with XBTH17
[2017-01-09 08:41:51] aethlios : Alignment: true will have to roll over to the next 3 month etc.
[2017-01-09 08:42:17] Alignment : what are you going to do in prevision for the next rally aethlios?
[2017-01-09 08:44:12] aethlios : Alignment: https://www.tradingview.com/x/GxnvyMVJ/ as you said JULY!!! this is my long term play, need to buy the sept. 3 month cheap, it's premium could hit 300-400 usd if spot 2,500.
[2017-01-09 08:44:54] aethlios : Alignment: building longs below 900 and sell 2,500-2,800 range. wait for crash to 1,350-1,400 to buy back
[2017-01-09 08:45:37] Alignment : so you think you'r better off buying sept 3 month than building a long now at 8XX
[2017-01-09 08:46:05] Alignment : but we ned sept 3 cheap for that to work
[2017-01-09 08:47:10] aethlios : Alignment: now 3 mont is very cheap, sept could be cheap if low volatility and market consolidates below the 1,175-1,200 ATH range, around 1,100.
[2017-01-09 08:48:02] Alignment : aethlios we can evaluate that move looking at XBTH17 now
[2017-01-09 08:48:12] Alignment : march low was 821 thats not a lot
[2017-01-09 08:48:19] aethlios : you buy now the march to catch the retrace up to 1,150 until july. and buy the sept for betting the break out.
[2017-01-09 08:48:27] Alignment : after BFX crash you could have been long at a v cheap price
[2017-01-09 08:49:47] Alignment : XBTH low was 821 high was 13XX
[2017-01-09 08:50:06] Alignment : so +58%
[2017-01-09 08:50:57] Alignment : aethlios: but you could have used perpertual swap to go long at 630 and closed at 1100
[2017-01-09 08:51:32] Alignment : thats 74%
[2017-01-09 08:52:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 1000 @ 920.92
[2017-01-09 09:05:02] KingTuna : Big interest in ETH - Whale on Polo - Lull in BTC, interest has shifted . ETH large 0.017
[2017-01-09 09:05:21] KingTuna : ETH target* 0.017
[2017-01-09 09:09:25] Alignment : and ETC?
[2017-01-09 09:12:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 25067 @ 907.82
[2017-01-09 09:12:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 30043 @ 880.52
[2017-01-09 09:15:00] happy : Buy the dip
[2017-01-09 09:15:41] KingTuna : BTC will go lower. Buy ETH
[2017-01-09 09:17:38] aandy : little more dumping plz
[2017-01-09 09:19:39] KingTuna : Big news for ETH in the next day or two. With BTC falling this should be interesting
[2017-01-09 09:24:35] Dtrade16 : Guys what do you think of Chinas industrial pollution?
[2017-01-09 09:26:51] Dtrade16 : Wouldn't they eventually propose measures to curb it?
[2017-01-09 09:27:02] jose : KingTuna: source ?
[2017-01-09 09:27:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 8000 @ 905.60
[2017-01-09 09:28:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 500 @ 878.10
[2017-01-09 09:29:22] aethlios : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BRUe5PuV4U
[2017-01-09 09:30:12] chaunceylee : KingTuna: what big news
[2017-01-09 09:34:15] rms : people on reddit say some rumor of eth enterprise something or another
[2017-01-09 09:34:42] rms : i know last time the eth troll brigade went spamming around would have been a good time to buy though
[2017-01-09 09:37:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: buy 1 @ 103414 :punch: :whale:
[2017-01-09 09:37:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: buy 1 @ 103414 :punch: :whale:
[2017-01-09 09:37:34] REKT : Have a bowl of chop-chop suey!
[2017-01-09 09:39:41] KyllingLolsson : Hey bitmex team, is it possible to change leverage in the profit n loss calculator!?
[2017-01-09 09:41:20] KyllingLolsson : I usually trade x10 or 25
[2017-01-09 09:41:23] jose : KyllingLolsson: leverage nothing to do with leverage
[2017-01-09 09:42:46] jose : KyllingLolsson: leverage has nothing to do with profit loss
[2017-01-09 09:48:28] moo : china cracking down on bitcoin scam!
[2017-01-09 09:49:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 11 @ 0.012120
[2017-01-09 09:55:24] Dtrade16 : aethlios: Nice vid lol
[2017-01-09 10:23:58] KyllingLolsson : Just want to use the pnl calculator and change leverage
[2017-01-09 10:24:07] BTC-Noob : jose: it influences your interest payments, so in fact it does
[2017-01-09 10:25:12] jose : BTC-Noob: wrong, sorry
[2017-01-09 10:29:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 8000 @ 925.09
[2017-01-09 10:30:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 15000 @ 894.91
[2017-01-09 10:30:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 7000 @ 896.48
[2017-01-09 10:30:57] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1000 @ 895.51
[2017-01-09 10:31:05] Dtrade16 : What's happening?
[2017-01-09 10:31:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1420 @ 897.85
[2017-01-09 10:32:59] jose : Dtrade16: bitcoin doesnt need a reason to go up, but it does in order to go down
[2017-01-09 10:33:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 25834 @ 936.54
[2017-01-09 10:33:12] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/IJsfhQeI/ break out to the upside???
[2017-01-09 10:33:51] jedisatoshi : here we go!
[2017-01-09 10:33:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 1 @ 0.011880
[2017-01-09 10:35:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 40 @ 900.79
[2017-01-09 10:37:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1275 @ 901.59
[2017-01-09 10:37:41] REKT : All aboard the MOON train!
[2017-01-09 10:40:16] arbitrage001 : btc moooon!
[2017-01-09 10:40:20] arbitrage001 : moo
[2017-01-09 10:48:42] mariomarco : arbitrage001: 965 target?
[2017-01-09 10:48:55] arbitrage001 : mariomarco: moon target
[2017-01-09 10:49:01] mariomarco : right
[2017-01-09 10:49:04] arbitrage001 : 1,000,000
[2017-01-09 10:49:05] mariomarco : thanks mate
[2017-01-09 10:49:09] mariomarco : im setting trajectory :P
[2017-01-09 10:50:50] Dtrade16 : Did we just break out of a major resistance area?
[2017-01-09 10:51:09] Dtrade16 : Any analysis guys?
[2017-01-09 10:51:24] arbitrage001 : operation moon in process
[2017-01-09 10:51:41] arbitrage001 : let's hope the rocket engine dont fail
[2017-01-09 10:52:01] arbitrage001 : we hire superior russian scientist
[2017-01-09 10:53:09] alejandromasari : bitcoin on cnbc
[2017-01-09 10:53:20] arbitrage001 : @alejandromasari source?
[2017-01-09 10:53:38] jose : arbitrage001: cnb
[2017-01-09 10:53:46] jose : cnbc*
[2017-01-09 10:53:55] arbitrage001 : a link?
[2017-01-09 10:54:59] alejandromasari : it was on live tv no link man
[2017-01-09 10:56:36] rms : if you see moon on the 15m chart from that break you may be smoking hopium
[2017-01-09 10:57:19] rms : same range as we've had... breaking 940 would be something, or if china gets way ahead
[2017-01-09 11:03:22] wurstgelee : usdcny back to where it was 1 week ago
[2017-01-09 11:05:20] arbitrage001 : so bitcoin moon?
[2017-01-09 11:05:28] arbitrage001 : or bitcoin down to earth?
[2017-01-09 11:06:23] wurstgelee : not necessarily one of those but common opinion would say its indicating up from here
[2017-01-09 11:07:05] alejandromasari : bitcoin looks like it bottomed
[2017-01-09 11:07:06] arbitrage001 : price is extremely volatile
[2017-01-09 11:07:12] wurstgelee : yep
[2017-01-09 11:07:14] wurstgelee : http://www.xe.com/de/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=CNY&view=1W
[2017-01-09 11:07:15] arbitrage001 : so i am sitting out
[2017-01-09 11:07:21] wurstgelee : that
[2017-01-09 11:07:25] arbitrage001 : in case i got hit in the nuts
[2017-01-09 11:07:39] wurstgelee : i am considering opting for a smaller long here
[2017-01-09 11:07:45] wurstgelee : as a gamble
[2017-01-09 11:08:59] alejandromasari : bottoms are always volatile.
[2017-01-09 11:09:12] wurstgelee : no, usually not so much tbh
[2017-01-09 11:09:17] wurstgelee : thats why they are called bottoms
[2017-01-09 11:09:27] wurstgelee : and not wild zic-zacs
[2017-01-09 11:09:47] alejandromasari : it will spike after funding
[2017-01-09 11:09:57] wurstgelee : ? after funding here?
[2017-01-09 11:10:30] wurstgelee : u do realize we trade basically hot air, not connected in any way to the real spot market, here?
[2017-01-09 11:10:46] wurstgelee : no influence on the real market at all?
[2017-01-09 11:11:07] wurstgelee : and that we follow spot and not the other way?
[2017-01-09 11:11:21] alejandromasari : bitmex runs this
[2017-01-09 11:11:29] wurstgelee : yeah. ofc
[2017-01-09 11:11:30] wurstgelee : oO
[2017-01-09 11:11:55] wurstgelee : how lang have u been here?
[2017-01-09 11:11:59] wurstgelee : long
[2017-01-09 11:17:41] alejandromasari : shorts better cover
[2017-01-09 11:22:22] martyix : https://testnet.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Execution/Execution_get - Could you add a format specification for "startTime"?
[2017-01-09 11:25:08] martyix : STRML: ^^ The docs lacks many details. For example, there is a maximum for `count` field (500 records) and it would be nice to read the information and not reverse engineered it with trial and error.
[2017-01-09 11:27:54] BitMEX_Wally : martyix: https://www.bitmex.com/app/restAPI#Timestamp-Filters
[2017-01-09 11:31:51] martyix : Yes, thanks
[2017-01-09 11:32:01] martyix : Anyway, The link `Timestamp Docs` does not work entirely correctly on https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Execution/Execution_getTradeHistory page (it does not move the page down).
[2017-01-09 11:33:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 4000 @ 905.50
[2017-01-09 11:33:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 135 @ 905.59
[2017-01-09 11:33:37] Boontjie : Time to scholong this coin
[2017-01-09 11:34:20] alejandromasari : [06:17] alejandromasari: shorts better cover
[2017-01-09 11:36:04] alejandromasari : back to 1000 in short order
[2017-01-09 11:42:49] lockhedge : alejandromasari: "it will spike after funding" funding is negative, price will be 0.1023% lower after funding
[2017-01-09 11:44:11] micmix : lockhedge: correction, mark price will be 0.0686% lower after funding
[2017-01-09 11:46:32] j8 : you would expect the market to reprice by 0.1023% though.
[2017-01-09 11:48:19] micmix : if the market is effective
[2017-01-09 11:48:42] micmix : it's a big if
[2017-01-09 11:49:06] lockhedge : yes, market price should decline 0.1023% immediately after funding, and then slowly rise 0.0686% until the end of next session
[2017-01-09 11:49:50] j8 : a lot of the time the volatility and spread make it hard to tell anyway. i think it overshoots a lot because people don't want to pay the funding, it's a psychological thing
[2017-01-09 11:50:07] Dynamix : Fuck btc volatility
[2017-01-09 11:50:21] Dynamix : lost too much ?
[2017-01-09 11:50:25] micmix : yeah, I noticed that too. my bot pays the funding often bc ppl pay too much to avoid funding
[2017-01-09 11:50:59] micmix : I mean the market over-compensates
[2017-01-09 11:51:22] j8 : yep
[2017-01-09 11:52:32] Dynamix : 0.025 btc left
[2017-01-09 11:52:41] Dynamix : where to play ? ...
[2017-01-09 11:53:09] alejandromasari : sell the rolex so you can bet more
[2017-01-09 11:53:22] Dynamix : I dont have one lol
[2017-01-09 11:53:53] alejandromasari : Dynamix: you traded too much, emotional trades killed ya
[2017-01-09 11:54:12] Dynamix : U dont know how i traded lol
[2017-01-09 11:54:34] alejandromasari : Dynamix: overtraded
[2017-01-09 11:54:38] Dynamix : Every fucking time i place a long or dhort the damn market gord the other way
[2017-01-09 11:54:48] Dynamix : its fucking pissing the shit out of me
[2017-01-09 11:55:00] Dynamix : and Im going to kill someone. ???
[2017-01-09 11:55:15] alejandromasari : it goes the other way and you sell in panic
[2017-01-09 11:55:25] mariomarco : Dynamix: dude i keep saying this is a scam
[2017-01-09 11:55:34] mariomarco : OKcasino fukken fake volume pumpers
[2017-01-09 11:58:59] l3f : Dynamix: All on black
[2017-01-09 11:59:03] l3f : roll the wheel
[2017-01-09 11:59:32] rapidtrades : DUMPEH IN 1 MIN
[2017-01-09 11:59:46] l3f : rapidtrades: Better fucking not
[2017-01-09 11:59:58] rapidtrades : DO IT NAO
[2017-01-09 12:00:55] j8 : now nobody did
[2017-01-09 12:01:13] l3f : Now is the time to FOMO
[2017-01-09 12:01:39] rapidtrades : micmix: does the funding mess with ur bots? Rado said he needs to restart
[2017-01-09 12:05:04] alejandromasari : i love fucking my cat
[2017-01-09 12:10:56] aethlios : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUrneesrEIg
[2017-01-09 12:12:24] elmorte : I still think we should pro-rate the funding
[2017-01-09 12:20:32] aethlios : big battle will happen with gold bugs against bitcoin when we pass gold price.
[2017-01-09 12:29:18] mariomarco : aethlios: any target prediction except "da moon" on btc ?
[2017-01-09 12:29:34] mariomarco : in a reasonable time span
[2017-01-09 12:29:44] aethlios : mariomarco: https://www.tradingview.com/x/GxnvyMVJ/
[2017-01-09 12:30:07] l3f : Liquidity is so fucking bad
[2017-01-09 12:30:17] l3f : Was it ever this bad
[2017-01-09 12:30:33] l3f : The orderbook is a joke
[2017-01-09 12:31:02] mariomarco : aethlios: that doesnt look too good
[2017-01-09 12:31:50] aethlios : mariomarco: did that a few days before, so bottom already placed
[2017-01-09 12:32:01] elmorte : looks good enough for Mar 31!
[2017-01-09 12:32:24] mariomarco : elmorte: true dat
[2017-01-09 12:32:31] mariomarco : aethlios: so you think we done with bottom ?
[2017-01-09 12:32:41] aethlios : yes
[2017-01-09 12:33:04] l3f : It was going to drop lower but a 1k btc bid came up and held it there
[2017-01-09 12:33:10] l3f : whale-support-bottom
[2017-01-09 12:33:22] mariomarco : we need to break 6400cny
[2017-01-09 12:33:42] l3f : mariomarco: that's nothing, we'll bounce up and down until all the bag holders exit
[2017-01-09 12:34:09] mariomarco : l3f: i just want to see 6500 thats all
[2017-01-09 12:34:10] l3f : It'll take weeks for them to break down and cut losses
[2017-01-09 12:34:19] l3f : you'll see it soon enough
[2017-01-09 12:34:28] mariomarco : l3f: yeah?
[2017-01-09 12:34:35] l3f : patience
[2017-01-09 12:34:42] mariomarco : patience i have
[2017-01-09 12:34:51] l3f : ensurance
[2017-01-09 12:34:54] l3f : endurance*
[2017-01-09 12:35:00] l3f : buy and hold
[2017-01-09 12:35:13] mariomarco : did so, but a little too high
[2017-01-09 12:35:22] mariomarco : 900, live through all this hell
[2017-01-09 12:35:25] mariomarco : lived*
[2017-01-09 12:36:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 2500 @ 6567.2
[2017-01-09 12:37:00] l3f : I just wish the liquidity wasn't so terrible
[2017-01-09 12:37:06] l3f : it's really shit the bed
[2017-01-09 12:38:29] l3f : Massive ass triangle forming
[2017-01-09 12:41:17] aethlios : l3f: do you see up or retest lows??
[2017-01-09 12:41:34] l3f : aethlios: Market wants up
[2017-01-09 12:41:46] l3f : There's no mark up for CNY btc
[2017-01-09 12:42:34] l3f : Whether the whales will allow it is a different matter
[2017-01-09 12:43:15] l3f : Whale caused both dips earlier and feasted so much
[2017-01-09 12:44:21] l3f : aethlios: Also massive triangle forming
[2017-01-09 12:44:25] l3f : which ever direction this breaks
[2017-01-09 12:44:39] l3f : will determine the result
[2017-01-09 12:45:42] aethlios : if usdcnh above 7 i think panic rush to btc will start. pboc (as i guess) intervened at 6.9875
[2017-01-09 12:47:36] mariomarco : cmon whale bois
[2017-01-09 12:47:38] l3f : Yeah but CNH get rekt
[2017-01-09 12:47:39] mariomarco : doeeeet
[2017-01-09 12:47:47] l3f : got*
[2017-01-09 12:47:48] aethlios : l3f: https://www.tradingview.com/x/mE29tMfD/
[2017-01-09 12:47:54] aethlios : this you mean??
[2017-01-09 12:47:57] l3f : aethlios: yep
[2017-01-09 12:48:15] l3f : We may see 1k again
[2017-01-09 12:48:41] aethlios : l3f: they could retest the bottom but maybe they oversold it too low.
[2017-01-09 12:49:20] l3f : It stopped exactly on the top level trend line
[2017-01-09 12:49:38] lockhedge : aethlios: April usdcny futures @ 7.0285 https://www.hkex.com.hk/eng/ddp/Contract_Details.asp?PId=220
[2017-01-09 12:49:42] l3f : once it hit there whale bids of 1k btc pushed it all the way up
[2017-01-09 12:50:23] aethlios : lockhedge: thanks, i will keep an eye.
[2017-01-09 12:50:34] l3f : The trough you see on the 7th was 100% manipulated
[2017-01-09 12:50:40] l3f : Look at the volume in there
[2017-01-09 12:51:29] l3f : And yesterday and today was just filled with shakeouts
[2017-01-09 12:51:37] mariomarco : https://s3.amazonaws.com/tradingview/snapshots/4/45yJnx3O.png
[2017-01-09 12:51:38] l3f : mysterious slow declines that get engulfed 100% within the next hour
[2017-01-09 12:51:48] l3f : Something's going on
[2017-01-09 12:52:02] l3f : I saw the last "dump" get engulfed and went long straight away
[2017-01-09 12:56:12] l3f : wow breakout failed?
[2017-01-09 12:56:21] l3f : More side ways it is
[2017-01-09 12:56:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 3000 @ 6547.3
[2017-01-09 12:56:46] sero : buy buyyyyy
[2017-01-09 12:57:23] l3f : Might get a bigger dip here
[2017-01-09 12:57:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 200 @ 902.93
[2017-01-09 12:57:40] mariomarco : l3f: to 6250
[2017-01-09 12:57:47] muirtastic : These random dumps are getting old
[2017-01-09 12:57:56] l3f : another "dump"
[2017-01-09 12:57:59] l3f : where it slowly moves down
[2017-01-09 12:58:08] l3f : biggest fucking joke
[2017-01-09 12:58:27] mariomarco : l3f: yeah, fukking with ppl
[2017-01-09 13:00:09] l3f : This is the same time last night when it "dumped"
[2017-01-09 13:00:22] alejandromasari : Fucking my cat
[2017-01-09 13:00:41] mariomarco : l3f: yesterday this time, it did duump
[2017-01-09 13:01:02] l3f : let's hope it happens again
[2017-01-09 13:01:31] mariomarco : l3f: wtf for
[2017-01-09 13:01:35] alejandromasari : do we long or short?
[2017-01-09 13:01:35] mariomarco : if that happens all this was for nothing
[2017-01-09 13:01:51] l3f : personally I want a dump to get a lower entry
[2017-01-09 13:02:55] mariomarco : l3f: nu uh fuk dat shit, we need to see 950
[2017-01-09 13:02:56] mariomarco : https://s3.amazonaws.com/tradingview/snapshots/4/45yJnx3O.png
[2017-01-09 13:03:08] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/3Q5yJcsh/ 3 days of low body candles
[2017-01-09 13:03:09] mariomarco : if it falls again its DUN
[2017-01-09 13:03:18] l3f : mariomarco: If we test 770 then we'll get moon next time for sure
[2017-01-09 13:03:21] l3f : bag holders need to get cleaned out
[2017-01-09 13:03:35] l3f : aethlios: what does it me?
[2017-01-09 13:03:38] l3f : mean*
[2017-01-09 13:05:12] aethlios : l3f: bulls and bears fighting, but noone wins (The small real body (whether hollow or filled) shows little movement from open to close, and the shadows indicate that both bulls and bears were active during the session. Even though the session opened and closed with little change, prices moved significantly higher and lower in the meantime. Neither buyers nor sellers could gain the upper hand and the result was a standoff)
[2017-01-09 13:06:01] l3f : I think we'll need to wait a few days for the triangle to resolve
[2017-01-09 13:07:06] l3f : Last time it took over a month before the news of BFX hacked tipped it bear side
[2017-01-09 13:10:43] Dynamix : fuck trading bt c
[2017-01-09 13:10:47] l3f : aethlios: Just be aware the when it's going side ways it's usually a sign of a whale is accumulating
[2017-01-09 13:11:59] l3f : Here's what I think
[2017-01-09 13:12:08] l3f : if I was a whale, it would take me at least two months to accumulate
[2017-01-09 13:12:14] l3f : very patiently
[2017-01-09 13:12:26] l3f : By then we hit the trend line and we explode up
[2017-01-09 13:17:16] aethlios : l3f: we will move slowly up to 1170 spot like we did 465-775,
[2017-01-09 13:18:57] l3f : aethlios: The second clue is the volumes
[2017-01-09 13:19:07] l3f : The volume's insane compared the slowly moving up
[2017-01-09 13:19:14] l3f : and we're going side ways righ tnow
[2017-01-09 13:20:28] l3f : well sideways and slowly up
[2017-01-09 13:21:57] mariomarco : so we are waiting for a boom up?
[2017-01-09 13:22:59] l3f : My analysis is that whale dumped a lot of their holdings during the "crash" and are accmumlating right now
[2017-01-09 13:23:09] l3f : pushing the price down when neccessary
[2017-01-09 13:23:25] l3f : Sideways action with massive volume is your biggest clue
[2017-01-09 13:24:00] l3f : Unless they are trying to microsell their way out
[2017-01-09 13:24:03] l3f : We are up pretty high
[2017-01-09 13:24:26] l3f : Both of these cases it would be sideways with massive volume
[2017-01-09 13:25:18] mariomarco : l3f: all fine with that, but can we see 6500-6600
[2017-01-09 13:25:32] mariomarco : thats the only thing i want to know :D
[2017-01-09 13:25:34] l3f : mariomarco: yes but it may take weeks
[2017-01-09 13:25:41] mariomarco : WEEKS
[2017-01-09 13:25:45] mariomarco : fuck that
[2017-01-09 13:26:01] mariomarco : weeks for pissy 200cny
[2017-01-09 13:26:23] l3f : oh 6.5k
[2017-01-09 13:26:26] l3f : should be fine
[2017-01-09 13:26:31] l3f : are you a underwater long?
[2017-01-09 13:26:38] mariomarco : somewhat
[2017-01-09 13:26:43] l3f : Well then no
[2017-01-09 13:26:56] mariomarco : how then no
[2017-01-09 13:26:58] l3f : you do realise whales need you to sell at a loss before we can move up right?
[2017-01-09 13:27:11] mariomarco : yes i am a real major problem for whales
[2017-01-09 13:27:16] mariomarco : my order is 500btc
[2017-01-09 13:27:18] l3f : If all you underwater kids are going to sell into the pump then it won't be a very nice pump
[2017-01-09 13:27:55] l3f : I think weeks is appropiate then
[2017-01-09 13:28:05] mariomarco : i dont have a 500 order lol
[2017-01-09 13:28:11] mariomarco : more like half a bitcoin
[2017-01-09 13:28:13] mariomarco : lol
[2017-01-09 13:28:23] mariomarco : jsut testing this scam fukkery
[2017-01-09 13:28:48] mariomarco : because im not in a mood to lose 1btc in 10minutes of their scam tricks
[2017-01-09 13:29:05] l3f : hahaha
[2017-01-09 13:29:13] l3f : well just hold
[2017-01-09 13:29:18] l3f : you'll live
[2017-01-09 13:29:22] mariomarco : i just might
[2017-01-09 13:29:25] l3f : but you're trapped up high
[2017-01-09 13:29:32] l3f : and whales know that
[2017-01-09 13:29:38] mariomarco : im not , my entry is 900 from yesterday
[2017-01-09 13:30:01] l3f : It's 901 now...
[2017-01-09 13:30:03] mariomarco : so i lived through all this dump for basically nothing, if its going to dump again
[2017-01-09 13:30:14] l3f : just chillax
[2017-01-09 13:30:23] mariomarco : im not even rage braah :D
[2017-01-09 13:31:48] happy : Wow, Huobi/OKcoins are flat, and this drop 4 dollars
[2017-01-09 13:32:28] l3f : Second possible scenario, whale's trying to microsell out
[2017-01-09 13:32:50] l3f : The reason is this, low volume on the rises, high volume on the falls
[2017-01-09 13:33:18] l3f : I'm going to have to go over the volumes again
[2017-01-09 13:33:19] l3f : sigh
[2017-01-09 13:34:01] mariomarco : l3f: why do they want to sell out
[2017-01-09 13:34:26] l3f : mariomarco: Need another yacht
[2017-01-09 13:35:12] mariomarco : l3f: tru dat
[2017-01-09 13:46:45] Dynamix : Time to get back to blackhat to make my btc back haha
[2017-01-09 13:49:49] l3f : aethlios: do you remember the time the market moved 4% up and down with in 10 minutes?
[2017-01-09 13:49:54] l3f : It happened twice
[2017-01-09 13:51:01] l3f : and the time it formed a H&S on the chart?
[2017-01-09 13:51:04] l3f : that was like art
[2017-01-09 14:03:36] happy : Anyone Long bitcoin at this moment?
[2017-01-09 14:06:00] mariomarco : happy: i am
[2017-01-09 14:07:01] sleger : aethlios: but your bids are at 710 so you'll miss out ?
[2017-01-09 14:07:39] arbitrage001 : i miss out.
[2017-01-09 14:07:44] arbitrage001 : my bid at 1 dollar
[2017-01-09 14:08:03] arbitrage001 : send my ask at 100000
[2017-01-09 14:08:08] arbitrage001 : and
[2017-01-09 14:09:42] Alignment : sleger whats your position atm
[2017-01-09 14:14:17] sleger : seated
[2017-01-09 14:19:48] Alignment : lmao
[2017-01-09 14:20:26] Alignment : why dont' traders share their position? if we add more weight towards your position ifts beneficial to you isnt it?
[2017-01-09 14:20:45] l3f : Mine is reverse cow girl
[2017-01-09 14:26:21] Chewie : what's urs Alignment?\
[2017-01-09 14:27:25] Dynamix : will it dump?
[2017-01-09 14:27:33] Dynamix : gonna go 50x lvg
[2017-01-09 14:27:42] Dynamix : with my last bucks
[2017-01-09 14:27:45] arbitrage001 : it will pump and dump
[2017-01-09 14:27:50] arbitrage001 : or dump and pump
[2017-01-09 14:27:54] Dynamix : myh
[2017-01-09 14:27:59] Dynamix : can it go sideways ?
[2017-01-09 14:28:03] arbitrage001 : hardly
[2017-01-09 14:28:06] Dynamix : or backwards ?
[2017-01-09 14:28:13] Dynamix : myh
[2017-01-09 14:30:08] Alignment : i dont have one closed everything
[2017-01-09 14:30:24] arbitrage001 : Alignment: me too
[2017-01-09 14:30:34] arbitrage001 : too scare to trade in this environment
[2017-01-09 14:30:35] Alignment : im trading with my guts
[2017-01-09 14:30:43] arbitrage001 : i am trading with my balls
[2017-01-09 14:30:45] Alignment : if i dont have the gut feeling i dont trade
[2017-01-09 14:30:57] arbitrage001 : my crystal ball dim out
[2017-01-09 14:41:39] Rado2 : lol
[2017-01-09 14:41:48] Rado2 : you guys are funny
[2017-01-09 15:07:41] sleger : meanwhile eth back up
[2017-01-09 15:17:48] elmorte : ooh nice
[2017-01-09 15:18:12] rapidtrades : dam shitter up
[2017-01-09 15:19:49] StanTheMan : when is eth going to pump again
[2017-01-09 15:25:17] elmorte : heh, my ETH limit on Polo triggered.
[2017-01-09 15:26:31] elmorte : Now just MAID, LSK and ZEC to go...
[2017-01-09 15:29:24] StanTheMan : damn my ltc 20x long was margin called on the okcasino
[2017-01-09 15:30:06] StanTheMan : ltc did a 110% retrace of that pump
[2017-01-09 15:30:45] StanTheMan : then goes sideways for 52 hours lol
[2017-01-09 15:31:26] l3f : Thoughts on XBTUSD?
[2017-01-09 15:33:18] rapidtrades : u know i wouldn't mind the funding if it made sense
[2017-01-09 15:33:45] rapidtrades : but going up it was peanuts for longs and now shorts are getting charged even though we#re going up!
[2017-01-09 15:39:46] sleger : elmorte: what you mean by "limit on polo" ?
[2017-01-09 15:40:54] Rado2 : rapidtrades: price of XBTUSD is matching spot right now
[2017-01-09 15:41:02] Rado2 : so you could argue that the funding is fine
[2017-01-09 15:42:45] l3f : sleger: whales' accumulating right now
[2017-01-09 15:42:46] l3f : I have evidence
[2017-01-09 15:42:55] l3f : everything fits
[2017-01-09 15:43:21] l3f : and this guy's strong, he's got shit tons of capital
[2017-01-09 15:43:34] Rado2 : looks like we will trade in a range for a few more days
[2017-01-09 15:43:36] Rado2 : if not more
[2017-01-09 15:43:54] sleger : l3f: where do you think he is buying (exchange) ?
[2017-01-09 15:44:11] Rado2 : l3f: evidence?
[2017-01-09 15:44:26] l3f : sleger: okc
[2017-01-09 15:44:35] l3f : look at the chart and tell me what you see
[2017-01-09 15:44:58] l3f : BTCCNY
[2017-01-09 15:45:15] Apocalyptic : l3f: if you believe something strong enough you'll see it on every chart
[2017-01-09 15:45:24] sleger : btccny wont mean much because 0 fees so you can make the graph say what you want by wash trading
[2017-01-09 15:47:33] l3f : I'll tell ya in private
[2017-01-09 15:48:02] l3f : too many ppl leeching here
[2017-01-09 15:49:15] brojo : i want to leech
[2017-01-09 15:50:54] sleger : brojo: just buy !!
[2017-01-09 15:51:49] rustiv : let the leechers leech
[2017-01-09 15:52:13] l3f : brojo: ya just buy
[2017-01-09 15:55:54] Rado2 : l3f: insider trading :-)
[2017-01-09 15:56:14] Dynamix : up or down we go ?
[2017-01-09 15:56:26] sleger : it comes from public market data so not really
[2017-01-09 15:57:21] Rado2 : sleger: if it's from public data then it will not help you at all
[2017-01-09 15:57:27] Rado2 : since everyone else knows the same thing
[2017-01-09 15:57:35] sleger : your bot uses public data too
[2017-01-09 15:57:39] l3f : sleger: well do you see anything with okc?
[2017-01-09 15:57:51] sleger : not everyone looks at things the right way
[2017-01-09 15:57:59] Rado2 : sleger: that is true
[2017-01-09 15:58:11] sleger : l3f: no, but i only looked at bitcoinwisdom graph
[2017-01-09 15:58:25] l3f : ok huge volumes when moving side ways is 100% accumulation
[2017-01-09 15:58:26] Rado2 : but that is not advantage because of knowledge
[2017-01-09 15:58:42] sleger : l3f: i see similar volumes all the time. what timeframe you looking at ?
[2017-01-09 15:59:03] l3f : Compare current hourly volumes with volumes during upwards movement back in december
[2017-01-09 15:59:04] l3f : it's almost double
[2017-01-09 15:59:21] l3f : and we're going side ways
[2017-01-09 15:59:45] sleger : l3f: it's double because volatility is much higher even if just sideways
[2017-01-09 15:59:56] Rado2 : yep
[2017-01-09 16:00:07] Rado2 : volume always goes up during breakouts and breakdowns
[2017-01-09 16:00:14] sleger : something happens every 4 hours now
[2017-01-09 16:00:19] sleger : here on bitmex
[2017-01-09 16:00:24] sleger : at mid funding
[2017-01-09 16:00:27] sleger : what is it ?
[2017-01-09 16:00:59] l3f : We've moved like 2 cny
[2017-01-09 16:01:03] Rado2 : sleger: what did you notice?
[2017-01-09 16:01:26] l3f : Rado2: A ghost
[2017-01-09 16:01:29] sleger : Rado2: buy /sell buttons disappeared just at 4hrs before funding
[2017-01-09 16:01:35] sleger : just like they do at funding
[2017-01-09 16:01:42] l3f : Yeah I had that happen
[2017-01-09 16:01:48] l3f : I think they're liive updating the UI
[2017-01-09 16:02:04] l3f : The instrument also get disabled with a "instrument not available"
[2017-01-09 16:02:05] l3f : thing
[2017-01-09 16:02:06] sleger : i think they will change funding to 4hrs maybe
[2017-01-09 16:02:08] Rado2 : sleger: so they stop/refresh the engine
[2017-01-09 16:02:29] l3f : whenever people say "something happened"
[2017-01-09 16:02:32] l3f : is really spooky
[2017-01-09 16:02:35] sleger : this way higher funding but they can keep their 100x
[2017-01-09 16:03:44] Rado2 : sleger: you mean they will reduce the rate but charge it twice more often?
[2017-01-09 16:03:51] sleger : Rado2: no
[2017-01-09 16:03:54] sleger : keep same logic
[2017-01-09 16:04:01] sleger : but on 4hrs instead of 8
[2017-01-09 16:04:08] Rado2 : isn't that bad fo rpeople who have to pay?
[2017-01-09 16:04:17] l3f : sleger: Compare volumes on btcchina
[2017-01-09 16:04:18] l3f : with okc
[2017-01-09 16:04:19] sleger : on average it shouldnt change anything
[2017-01-09 16:04:22] l3f : at the same intervals
[2017-01-09 16:04:29] l3f : okc is double
[2017-01-09 16:04:35] l3f : right now
[2017-01-09 16:04:52] l3f : You don't see the accumulation pattern on btcchina
[2017-01-09 16:04:57] sleger : l3f: okc is also almost same volume all the time because its fake volume (wash trading)
[2017-01-09 16:05:17] l3f : No but during this period of side ways, okc has double compared to rising
[2017-01-09 16:05:20] l3f : on btcchina
[2017-01-09 16:05:23] sleger : you're just looking at bots trading against themselves and creating fake volume
[2017-01-09 16:05:39] l3f : You think they turned on more bots for the sideways?
[2017-01-09 16:05:56] sleger : and the 1 hour volume is 50k coin so what someone is buying 25k coins an hour ?
[2017-01-09 16:06:02] sleger : lol
[2017-01-09 16:06:11] Rado2 : sleger: why would they want to create fake volume? I don't see the advantage.
[2017-01-09 16:06:48] sleger : place 100btc ask, have your other bot take it, gives the impression of strong buy, price goes up
[2017-01-09 16:06:57] sleger : this is basic manipulation
[2017-01-09 16:06:58] l3f : Why would okc have significantly more volume during this particular side ways movement compared to other chinese exchanges?
[2017-01-09 16:07:03] sleger : super easy with 0 fee
[2017-01-09 16:07:54] l3f : You don't think this is accumulation?
[2017-01-09 16:08:08] BitMEX_Sam : Like spoofing, but even easier to do because there's no laws against washing
[2017-01-09 16:08:09] sleger : not really
[2017-01-09 16:08:21] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: are you thinking about changing funding period to 4 hours ?
[2017-01-09 16:08:32] l3f : sleger: no other explaination?
[2017-01-09 16:08:41] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: No, we are running archive jobs more frequently due to the increased load on the system
[2017-01-09 16:08:41] sleger : dont think so
[2017-01-09 16:09:00] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: that makes the buy/sell buttons disappear briefly ?
[2017-01-09 16:09:05] BitMEX_Sam : yes
[2017-01-09 16:09:09] sleger : ok thanks
[2017-01-09 16:09:16] StanTheMan : this is distribution before another leg down. the sellers will buy back lower
[2017-01-09 16:09:22] BitMEX_Sam : The instrument closes for a brief time during that archive, and when instruments are closed the buy/sell buttons disappear
[2017-01-09 16:09:33] BitMEX_Sam : Since we push every delta out the websocket, this one gets pushed too
[2017-01-09 16:10:06] BitMEX_Sam : In the near future we'll be optimizing this
[2017-01-09 16:10:52] l3f : StanTheMan: why would he do that?
[2017-01-09 16:11:08] l3f : You think this is microselling out?
[2017-01-09 16:11:16] l3f : certainly possible
[2017-01-09 16:11:36] l3f : Either accumulation or just microexiting
[2017-01-09 16:11:48] l3f : both would raise volumes with sideways
[2017-01-09 16:15:14] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Sam: I've noticed yesterday that longing at x1 on H17 gave me a liquidation price in the 400s, how is this possible ? It's supposed to be 0 in this case
[2017-01-09 16:15:39] l3f : Also what is up with the liquidity
[2017-01-09 16:15:40] l3f : why is it so bad?
[2017-01-09 16:16:13] Apocalyptic : l3f: the main MM probably left the building during the crazy volatility
[2017-01-09 16:16:29] l3f : We need more MMs :)
[2017-01-09 16:16:49] StanTheMan : l3f: a lot of new buyers buying the top or averaging down that will panic dump.
[2017-01-09 16:16:50] odieoh : Is there a fairly simple bot available to play with? Interested in creating an account with a very low balance just to play around with botting for the first time
[2017-01-09 16:17:07] Apocalyptic : or he just increased the spread he quotes quite q bit
[2017-01-09 16:17:08] BitMEX_Greg : l3f: What product are you referring to? I see the main MM still quoting
[2017-01-09 16:17:19] l3f : BitMEX_Greg: Look at xbtusd
[2017-01-09 16:17:23] l3f : It's gaping
[2017-01-09 16:17:40] l3f : Whenevner it moves slightly it gapes
[2017-01-09 16:18:00] BitMEX_Greg : l3f: $ wise or % wise?
[2017-01-09 16:18:06] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Greg: Please can you take a look at my question above ?
[2017-01-09 16:18:08] BitMEX_Greg : Apocalyptic: Will take a look at this
[2017-01-09 16:18:18] l3f : Both?
[2017-01-09 16:18:34] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Greg: It's the same at testnet, I tried with 1 contract yesterday
[2017-01-09 16:18:44] BitMEX_Sam : Apocalyptic: Both XBTUSD & XBTH17 are inverse contracts