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[2017-01-09 04:32:33] larrybanky1 : Pls advise when to buy
[2017-01-09 04:32:50] Dtrade16 : Around 1100ish
[2017-01-09 04:33:14] Chewie : wait for it....
[2017-01-09 04:33:17] Chewie : wait....
[2017-01-09 04:33:20] Chewie : NOW!
[2017-01-09 04:33:25] Dtrade16 : Lol
[2017-01-09 04:33:46] larrybanky1 : Dtrade16: I've lost much
[2017-01-09 04:33:46] KingTuna : Around $500
[2017-01-09 04:33:54] KingTuna : In 2 months time
[2017-01-09 04:34:04] KingTuna : Then up again
[2017-01-09 04:34:15] KingTuna : BTC is a pump n dump tool
[2017-01-09 04:34:19] Dtrade16 : KingTuna: Bud even with a hack it didn't hit 500
[2017-01-09 04:34:23] Dtrade16 : KingTuna: Good luck
[2017-01-09 04:34:49] Apocalyptic : Dtrade16: it hit $460 with the bitfinex hack
[2017-01-09 04:35:05] Dtrade16 : From how much?
[2017-01-09 04:35:18] KingTuna : There will be another pump in a few months, then it will be stopped by a hack or a PBOC annoucement or some fake insider bs LOL
[2017-01-09 04:35:20] KingTuna : PnD
[2017-01-09 04:35:37] Apocalyptic : how's that relevant ? you claimed "even with a hack it didn't hit 500"
[2017-01-09 04:36:25] Dtrade16 : Apocalyptic: It hit 560 from mid 7s
[2017-01-09 04:36:46] Dtrade16 : It didn't it hit 560?
[2017-01-09 04:36:51] Dtrade16 : It didn't hit 460
[2017-01-09 04:37:26] Apocalyptic : it did, check bitstamp on August, 2nd
[2017-01-09 04:37:33] Dtrade16 : KingTuna: So why you saying 500s then?
[2017-01-09 04:37:37] Dtrade16 : From 1100s come on
[2017-01-09 04:37:53] Apocalyptic : Bitcoinwisdom shows $465.28 exactly for the low
[2017-01-09 04:37:57] jedisatoshi : Dtrade16: dont listen to that shit bro
[2017-01-09 04:38:00] Dtrade16 : Was that the avg price though?
[2017-01-09 04:38:05] jedisatoshi : straight FUD
[2017-01-09 04:38:12] KingTuna : Check the charts, from the last run up to $1100+ . Also $500 is break even /profit for miners
[2017-01-09 04:38:16] jedisatoshi : i agree we will get a dip but 500 my ass
[2017-01-09 04:38:27] Apocalyptic : lol average,
[2017-01-09 04:38:28] jedisatoshi : im adding to my long
[2017-01-09 04:38:34] Apocalyptic : you guys...
[2017-01-09 04:38:36] Dtrade16 : jedisatoshi: I know that's crazy
[2017-01-09 04:38:41] larrybanky1 : jedisatoshi: so what price shd one look out for
[2017-01-09 04:38:51] KingTuna : Look at the end of the day, no one knows, except the insiders.. But this is what I expect
[2017-01-09 04:38:53] jedisatoshi : 850
[2017-01-09 04:39:04] larrybanky1 : thanks
[2017-01-09 04:39:58] Dtrade16 : The dnp commit needs you to keep trading man
[2017-01-09 04:40:07] Dtrade16 : They aint gonna pull the floor on the damn thing
[2017-01-09 04:40:11] jedisatoshi : if it breaks 850 who knows but i doubt it will go past 780 and if it does break 850 anytime could be a quick bounce so im setting limit buys all the way down in hopes for a flash crash but you better believe it will bounce right back
[2017-01-09 04:40:16] Dtrade16 : They won't make any more money afterward
[2017-01-09 04:40:18] jedisatoshi : this has happened over and over again
[2017-01-09 04:40:46] jedisatoshi : we didnt make it all this way for nothing especially over some china rumors
[2017-01-09 04:40:47] Dtrade16 : jedisatoshi: Yep
[2017-01-09 04:41:37] Dtrade16 : jedisatoshi: Notice it's always bad "news" at the highest possible price
[2017-01-09 04:41:56] Dtrade16 : Look at all the run ups, why don't we have bad news around low price levels
[2017-01-09 04:42:04] jedisatoshi : best time to buy is when people are scared
[2017-01-09 04:42:09] Dtrade16 : We typically don't
[2017-01-09 04:42:45] Dtrade16 : Yah tuna give me your coins for 600 rn then, you'll save some money
[2017-01-09 04:44:06] amirmass : the bulls about to take us to 1000
[2017-01-09 04:44:10] amirmass : are you ready?
[2017-01-09 04:44:48] Dtrade16 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr2tjMnDmB4
[2017-01-09 04:45:57] amirmass : i will come back in 48 hours to say i hold you
[2017-01-09 04:45:59] amirmass : hahaha
[2017-01-09 04:46:09] amirmass : see ya guys
[2017-01-09 04:46:11] amirmass : goodluck
[2017-01-09 04:48:13] Dtrade16 : UNTIL THE CLIENT, EITHER BUYS... OR FUCKING DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIES
[2017-01-09 04:48:24] Dtrade16 : Youtube is so funny lol
[2017-01-09 04:50:53] jedisatoshi : Dtrade16: thanks again for the trader reference pretty good documentary!
[2017-01-09 04:52:19] Dtrade16 : jedisatoshi: Np, glad you liked it
[2017-01-09 04:52:54] Dtrade16 : Trading was crazy back then, they still do it like that right?
[2017-01-09 04:54:59] jedisatoshi : not really things are alot different now
[2017-01-09 04:55:20] jedisatoshi : that was the year i was born so a little before my time
[2017-01-09 04:55:44] jedisatoshi : but i have talked to some old timers about how trading was back in the day and it seemed alot easier to be honest
[2017-01-09 04:56:44] jedisatoshi : the market was nowhere near as efficient as it is now. alot more opportunity for arbitrage and volatility
[2017-01-09 04:57:09] Dtrade16 : jedisatoshi: Well the good thing about it was they were all together, now you're just behind some screen trading against some bot
[2017-01-09 04:57:28] Dtrade16 : For sure
[2017-01-09 04:57:55] Dtrade16 : See the part where he shorted oil on the opec deal?
[2017-01-09 04:58:35] jedisatoshi : yeah that was epic
[2017-01-09 04:59:17] Dtrade16 : Yep
[2017-01-09 05:01:37] Dtrade16 : jedisatoshi: How much you think that costs?
[2017-01-09 05:02:05] Dtrade16 : He said he sold 4 oil tankers worth lol
[2017-01-09 05:02:16] Dtrade16 : What a savage lol
[2017-01-09 05:03:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1000 @ 886.47
[2017-01-09 05:03:43] Dtrade16 : Think it was like 80 million
[2017-01-09 05:03:58] MikeHunt : i think we might actually break this big triangle
[2017-01-09 05:04:09] Dtrade16 : Let's go!
[2017-01-09 05:05:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 3000 @ 921.69
[2017-01-09 05:05:32] rowrow : china's right back where it was when i woke up today, bitmex down about $5
[2017-01-09 05:06:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 50 @ 890.91
[2017-01-09 05:06:52] jedisatoshi : Dtrade16: i couldnt tall you lol alot
[2017-01-09 05:07:52] aethlios : watch the currency market, usdcnh eurusd and DXY, also the yuan bitcoin premium in usd.
[2017-01-09 05:09:03] jedisatoshi : well theres the bounce now lets continue our ascent
[2017-01-09 05:09:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 6500 @ 892.36
[2017-01-09 05:09:41] jedisatoshi : REKT them shorts
[2017-01-09 05:12:42] aethlios : I think we have to go up if usdcnh keeps going up, watch for usdcnh 7 break.
[2017-01-09 05:13:08] aethlios : this could create a run in btc.
[2017-01-09 05:13:56] MikeHunt : 6320 and we are home free i think
[2017-01-09 05:24:14] aethlios : remember a few days ago overconfidence about never will see 1,000 again etc. now the opposite happens.
[2017-01-09 05:24:35] Apocalyptic : aethlios: you turned long now ?
[2017-01-09 05:24:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1600 @ 895.00
[2017-01-09 05:24:53] Dtrade16 : aethlios: We haven't seen it yet
[2017-01-09 05:25:41] aethlios : Apocalyptic: yes 865 march, bassically bought back the position i had from 575 (sold early 1008 march)
[2017-01-09 05:26:42] Apocalyptic : aethlios: I think I'll wait for 700s
[2017-01-09 05:27:55] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/T2D9V29W/
[2017-01-09 05:28:01] aethlios : previous charts of mine
[2017-01-09 05:28:26] jedisatoshi : aethlios: I can agree with that sir
[2017-01-09 05:28:29] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/hFXKZoiv/
[2017-01-09 05:28:52] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/OVTsRVzH/
[2017-01-09 05:29:15] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/cu1a4OGl/ this published a few hours before crash
[2017-01-09 05:29:37] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/QAt7ES1s/ this before the rally startsd
[2017-01-09 05:29:48] Apocalyptic : aethlios: that support around $770 looks good
[2017-01-09 05:29:58] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/GxnvyMVJ/ and this is my prediction for 2017.
[2017-01-09 05:30:31] aethlios : I am betting on the last chart, will sell now above 2,000 when I find an overbought area
[2017-01-09 05:30:45] MikeHunt : aethlios: +1
[2017-01-09 05:31:11] Papou : +2
[2017-01-09 05:31:39] Papou : I predict ETF passing and Bitcoin moons
[2017-01-09 05:31:40] aethlios : Next big move is 850-2,000 or up to 2,500, then crash above ATH 1,200.
[2017-01-09 05:32:13] MikeHunt : aethlios: so you think $770 then 850-2000 or?
[2017-01-09 05:32:45] elmorte : When is the ETF decision?
[2017-01-09 05:33:19] aethlios : MikeHunt: No 770 missed for 30 usd, low was 809 swap and 920 march is like 775 spot, so in 400 usd moves you can miss out 30 usd.
[2017-01-09 05:34:41] MikeHunt : aethlios: ahh so we are back on the bull run then?
[2017-01-09 05:35:23] aethlios : MikeHunt: I think we saw the bottom, below 800 is the triangle 6 month consolidation, so we stopped falling just above that.Also watching usdcnh going up again so difficult for btc to fall more in new low.
[2017-01-09 05:35:25] Papou : We never left
[2017-01-09 05:35:52] MikeHunt : aethlios: apparently people in china are currently under going MSM btc bashing campaign
[2017-01-09 05:35:58] l3f : aethlios: China premium is now also too low
[2017-01-09 05:35:59] MikeHunt : im just curious how it may affect the price
[2017-01-09 05:36:01] l3f : around 1%
[2017-01-09 05:36:01] aethlios : MikeHunt: Yes back on track, with the fear to go long and the hope to short again, so noone will make money again.
[2017-01-09 05:36:25] Papou : This was overreaction on fake news, shake longs, set up bullltraps and refuel
[2017-01-09 05:37:04] Papou : we should flip to 920 support soon
[2017-01-09 05:37:08] mariomarco : stupid thang wont go up
[2017-01-09 05:38:09] aethlios : l3f: this is bullish, means market has room to go down, in the top 1,319 usd march premium yuan reached 15% and 174 usd, now 17 only crashed to -2 (bottom)
[2017-01-09 05:38:21] l3f : Yeah I know
[2017-01-09 05:38:45] MikeHunt : looks like we're in an ascending triangle then
[2017-01-09 05:38:55] l3f : I'd like to see it bounce on the trend line again to confirm
[2017-01-09 05:39:07] jedisatoshi : MikeHunt: you love those triangles huh? lol
[2017-01-09 05:40:25] MikeHunt : jedisatoshi: all that illumanti stuff
[2017-01-09 05:40:41] MikeHunt : jedisatoshi: dollar bill
[2017-01-09 05:42:55] aethlios : the big move will start above 1,200.
[2017-01-09 05:44:02] Yazz : aethlios: In a few years I think we will look back on this as a time of great opportunity. BTC can easily moon with the right variables in place.
[2017-01-09 05:46:04] aethlios : My suspicion is PBOC intervened in the usdcnh market selling usd and also used talking with the move to btcc to crash both btc and usdcnh.
[2017-01-09 05:46:17] Dtrade16 : Guys what indicators should I be using? I have RSI and OBV right now
[2017-01-09 05:46:50] Dtrade16 : Just added Accumulation/distribution and MFI
[2017-01-09 05:47:14] Dtrade16 : aethlios: The crash was brought on by western media outlets
[2017-01-09 05:47:20] Dtrade16 : Wasn't it?
[2017-01-09 05:47:42] Dtrade16 : MACD?
[2017-01-09 05:48:20] Yazz : PBOC definitely orchestrated the crash. And may well do it again if it travels up too quick. They want to scare ppl from it with volatility.
[2017-01-09 05:48:23] MikeHunt : Dtrade16: i think the PLA crashed it
[2017-01-09 05:48:37] MikeHunt : the cyber division
[2017-01-09 05:48:42] Yazz : Either way, Chinese Gov
[2017-01-09 05:48:48] MikeHunt : Yazz: +1
[2017-01-09 05:49:51] Dtrade16 : The news came out of the west though?
[2017-01-09 05:50:06] Dtrade16 : The west is directly involved
[2017-01-09 05:50:11] MikeHunt : Dtrade16: western media are always a bunch of cunts
[2017-01-09 05:50:21] aethlios : swp and weekly okcoin were in discount, now at pair, so when we start watching premiums going up means the market is bullish again, watch the premiums.
[2017-01-09 05:50:35] aethlios : swap i mean.
[2017-01-09 05:57:12] MikeHunt : aethlios: do you think we'll see 6k again?
[2017-01-09 05:58:05] jose : MikeHunt: 6k maybe, 5k really unlikely
[2017-01-09 06:00:33] aethlios : MikeHunt: https://www.tradingview.com/x/WtUMhJVR/ we are in that triangle, hope for retest exists but because usdcnh going i see it difficult to go the opposite
[2017-01-09 06:01:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: sell 500 @ 0.001617
[2017-01-09 06:02:51] sero : sell
[2017-01-09 06:08:46] MikeHunt : aethlios: ty
[2017-01-09 06:09:10] MikeHunt : similar to my chart
[2017-01-09 06:09:16] MikeHunt : big scary descending triangle
[2017-01-09 06:10:36] aethlios : also another point is that btc crashed at the point it reached parity with gold (west exchanges), so many gold holders in vestors managers will ask them selves: 1 btc= 1once Should i exchange 1 of my many onces with 1 btc just in case?
[2017-01-09 06:10:56] Papou : Yup
[2017-01-09 06:15:39] MikeHunt : yeh that'll be interesting
[2017-01-09 06:30:11] nOgAnOo : Good evening alll
[2017-01-09 06:30:44] MikeHunt : nOgAnOo: yo
[2017-01-09 06:30:46] Yazz : /o
[2017-01-09 06:31:46] nOgAnOo : 888.. lol
[2017-01-09 06:36:59] arbitrage001 : would be nice if we drop to 88
[2017-01-09 06:37:05] arbitrage001 : isnt it?
[2017-01-09 06:37:14] arbitrage001 : chincese lucky number
[2017-01-09 06:37:40] MikeHunt : arbitrage001: u shorting?
[2017-01-09 06:37:49] arbitrage001 : nope
[2017-01-09 06:37:56] arbitrage001 : neutral position
[2017-01-09 06:38:01] arbitrage001 : looking to short or long
[2017-01-09 06:38:05] arbitrage001 : depend on how things go
[2017-01-09 06:54:50] mariomarco : we went to 888
[2017-01-09 06:54:52] mariomarco : moon time now
[2017-01-09 06:55:47] happy : I thought this looks so bearish right now
[2017-01-09 07:06:10] jedisatoshi : lets get some bids!
[2017-01-09 07:08:03] MikeHunt : are we doomed?
[2017-01-09 07:08:36] jedisatoshi : I hope not!
[2017-01-09 07:08:58] jedisatoshi : MikeHunt: Hows your night going bro?
[2017-01-09 07:09:27] aethlios : MikeHunt: how looks the arena with the lions? anyone who survived the brutal correction will be ok.
[2017-01-09 07:09:41] jedisatoshi : lol
[2017-01-09 07:09:59] MikeHunt : well i screwed up earlier and lost 0.8btc
[2017-01-09 07:10:12] MikeHunt : accidently click buy when i wanted sell :/
[2017-01-09 07:10:14] jedisatoshi : was an opportunity to add to the old long
[2017-01-09 07:10:24] jedisatoshi : MikeHunt: yikes i hate when that happens
[2017-01-09 07:10:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: sell 1 @ 0.001607
[2017-01-09 07:10:36] MikeHunt : however after watching a video on youtube about stock trading
[2017-01-09 07:10:41] MikeHunt : basically you get in and out quick
[2017-01-09 07:10:49] MikeHunt : high leverage, low real $ put in
[2017-01-09 07:10:53] MikeHunt : at a precise point
[2017-01-09 07:11:02] MikeHunt : tried it
[2017-01-09 07:11:04] MikeHunt : it worked
[2017-01-09 07:11:13] MikeHunt : made 0.1 in a few minutes
[2017-01-09 07:11:13] jedisatoshi : MikeHunt: Nice! short?
[2017-01-09 07:11:20] MikeHunt : it was a long bounce
[2017-01-09 07:11:30] jedisatoshi : even better should of held it!
[2017-01-09 07:11:41] MikeHunt : thats risky
[2017-01-09 07:11:51] jedisatoshi : thats the name of the game
[2017-01-09 07:11:59] MikeHunt : i did 1000$ @ x100
[2017-01-09 07:11:59] jedisatoshi : as long as it low $
[2017-01-09 07:12:05] aethlios : get prepared in the future when btc rallies hard, governments and central banks will intervene to crash price, there will be a fight. so rallies from people want to buy and crashes from gov. rumors about sanctions will move thos market.
[2017-01-09 07:12:16] MikeHunt : not at govs are hostile
[2017-01-09 07:12:26] jedisatoshi : good vs evil lol
[2017-01-09 07:12:30] MikeHunt : at the least the Uk seems rather apathetic towards it
[2017-01-09 07:12:41] MikeHunt : even encouraging bitcoin start ups
[2017-01-09 07:12:45] MikeHunt : blockchain*
[2017-01-09 07:13:32] MikeHunt : i guess we as traders need volatility in order to profit
[2017-01-09 07:13:51] jedisatoshi : well blockchain is a great way to track all transactions.. not surprised the most invasive surveillance gov is pro blockchain
[2017-01-09 07:16:17] MikeHunt : jedisatoshi: thats always been my concern with bitcoin, right back to the NSA 1996 paper
[2017-01-09 07:24:10] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/3Py8KxUv/
[2017-01-09 07:26:26] MikeHunt : aethlios: +1
[2017-01-09 07:26:29] MikeHunt : i hope lol
[2017-01-09 07:34:48] nOgAnOo : I love you all.
[2017-01-09 07:34:52] happy : aethlios: That's for XBTH17
[2017-01-09 07:34:53] happy : ?
[2017-01-09 07:34:57] happy : nOgAnOo: What?
[2017-01-09 07:35:09] nOgAnOo : You are all very special in my heart.
[2017-01-09 07:35:22] aethlios : happy: okcoin 3month but it is the same.
[2017-01-09 07:35:48] happy : aethlios: Cool, so we are looking for last drop and to the moon?
[2017-01-09 07:36:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 10 @ 6445.8
[2017-01-09 07:36:34] aethlios : happy: hope so.
[2017-01-09 07:36:45] happy : Trending down right now
[2017-01-09 07:48:11] happy : aethlios: Looks like another drop is coming soon?
[2017-01-09 07:50:08] aethlios : happy: https://www.tradingview.com/x/GxnvyMVJ/ can't say so short term, just looking the big picture. I usually trade large moves.
[2017-01-09 07:55:11] happy : aethlios: cool, thanks
[2017-01-09 07:56:41] aethlios : my guess is new move will be up to 2,500-2,800 and retrace to 1,350-1,500. premiums in china and quarterly will show us when overbought.
[2017-01-09 07:57:25] aethlios : so buying 800-900 zone with target selling 2,500-2,800 and getting back in 1,350.
[2017-01-09 07:59:28] MikeHunt : 2500-2800 cny?
[2017-01-09 07:59:48] MikeHunt : please tell me u ment usd
[2017-01-09 07:59:53] happy : wow 2500? USD?
[2017-01-09 08:00:01] happy : Up to 2500-2800
[2017-01-09 08:00:08] happy : Has to be USD..
[2017-01-09 08:02:34] l3f : aethlios: let it dump to 770 first
[2017-01-09 08:02:41] l3f : if it doesn't get there it can't go up
[2017-01-09 08:02:43] l3f : too many bag holders
[2017-01-09 08:02:51] l3f : will needs months of low prices to force them out
[2017-01-09 08:03:54] l3f : It will have to look like another 3 years of bear market so whales can accumulate
[2017-01-09 08:04:56] aethlios : MikeHunt: usd, else i would say down to.... haha!!
[2017-01-09 08:05:42] MikeHunt : aethlios: lol its just that and the direction its going at the moment :X
[2017-01-09 08:08:47] aethlios : l3f: whales accumulate ltc almost 2 years https://www.tradingview.com/x/IuvLflFB/
[2017-01-09 08:08:59] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/GxnvyMVJ/
[2017-01-09 08:09:32] l3f : aethlios: ltc's almost dead
[2017-01-09 08:09:36] aethlios : also both charts show btc breaks ATH in july and LTC breaks triangle in July, so HOT SUMMER
[2017-01-09 08:09:45] l3f : there's a segment of the pop that will never buy LTC
[2017-01-09 08:10:22] l3f : look at all the test pumps they did
[2017-01-09 08:10:42] l3f : to shake out the chips
[2017-01-09 08:11:14] Alignment : aethlior werent u saying 715?
[2017-01-09 08:11:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 100 @ 888.29
[2017-01-09 08:13:11] aethlios : l3f: listen i think broader, let's say a country or a large corp. like apple and microsoft want to buy a large stake in a secure PUBLIC blockchain and use it for tech products services etc. They could bid ltc up to 1,000 and then announce it. We don't know what will happen in future, but ltc has the 2nd most secure public blockchain, clean and no premine, tested stable, and known dev. so we know is not a scam.
[2017-01-09 08:14:21] Alignment : ive had good vibes about ltc recently too
[2017-01-09 08:14:35] Alignment : its the only other coin on big chinese exchange
[2017-01-09 08:14:54] Alignment : they gonna introduce segwit before btc
[2017-01-09 08:15:09] Alignment : good move would be to build a long position and let it run
[2017-01-09 08:15:14] Alignment : but i don't know how to do that :(
[2017-01-09 08:15:20] aethlios : and they will adopt segwit firts
[2017-01-09 08:15:42] Alignment : aethlios where can u long ltc usd long term
[2017-01-09 08:16:22] l3f : what'st the most liquid ltc exchange?
[2017-01-09 08:16:29] Alignment : chinese one
[2017-01-09 08:16:35] Alignment : or btce
[2017-01-09 08:17:03] Alignment : i wish bitmex would allow perpetual swap for more coins... whats the purpose of 7 day ?! you can't do a thing
[2017-01-09 08:17:28] Alignment : i want perpetual swap on monero and ltc and etc
[2017-01-09 08:17:43] l3f : LTCUSD pair?
[2017-01-09 08:17:55] Alignment : yeah
[2017-01-09 08:18:02] Alignment : anyone meditate here?
[2017-01-09 08:19:03] aethlios : best case is to buy ltc spot, because is stable if buy margin will eat you alive, also okcoin.com has futures but 3month are expensive since it is not moving yet.
[2017-01-09 08:19:37] aethlios : finex polo have ltc.
[2017-01-09 08:19:46] Alignment : yeah i alreayd bought them
[2017-01-09 08:19:53] Alignment : how much you allocate in%
[2017-01-09 08:20:08] aethlios : I am talking about ltcusd, if buy ltcbtc means you are short btc, so could lose.
[2017-01-09 08:20:32] aethlios : I have 10,000 ltc from 3.30.
[2017-01-09 08:20:52] Alignment : i don't reason in usd
[2017-01-09 08:20:59] aethlios : keep those, will sell if new bubble happens and try to rebuy to the crash
[2017-01-09 08:21:00] Alignment : btc is only what matters for me
[2017-01-09 08:21:18] Alignment : if i buy any coins its to increase my stash
[2017-01-09 08:21:36] Alignment : if I buy LTC its because i think btc/ltc will grow
[2017-01-09 08:22:13] Alignment : whats the advantage in talking ltcusd for you aethlios?
[2017-01-09 08:22:26] happy : May I ask a question: If I have 1 BTC (Worth $1000) in Bitmex. And I short 1BTC with 1x leverage. How much USD will i have?
[2017-01-09 08:22:27] aethlios : Alignment: thats correct thinking, doesn't make sense to risk in an alt and make less in usd than if holding btc.
[2017-01-09 08:22:46] happy : May I ask a question: If I have 1 BTC (Worth $1000) in Bitmex. And I short 1BTC with 1x leverage. How much USD will i have? When BTC drop to $0
[2017-01-09 08:23:19] Alignment : 0 i think happy
[2017-01-09 08:23:34] happy : Alignment: Thank you
[2017-01-09 08:23:38] aethlios : happy: you will have all the btc in the world so zero in usd 21 mill*zero= zero
[2017-01-09 08:25:18] happy : aethlios: Cool, I think I got it.
[2017-01-09 08:25:56] happy : So, If I don't want to trade, and neither want to risk my btw in Bitmex, I could just short with 1x leverage
[2017-01-09 08:25:58] happy : Thank you
[2017-01-09 08:26:03] aethlios : happy: if btc goes 900, you will profit 100 usd which will be 100/900= 0.1111 btc
[2017-01-09 08:26:10] j8 : at some point it wouldn't be possible for longs to margin their positions, because there is not enough btc in the world as aethlios points out. so you would be deleveraged long before zero
[2017-01-09 08:26:40] aethlios : if btc goes 1100 you lose 0.0909 btc from your 1 deposited btc
[2017-01-09 08:27:17] happy : But, 0.0909 BTC still worth $1000 , In USD way, I don't loss
[2017-01-09 08:28:55] aethlios : happy: if you want to sell btc because you think went up a lot etc. you can deposit here 25% of your btc and open a 1x position short for your 100% of btc, keep 75% of btc out of exchange for more safety.
[2017-01-09 08:29:52] Alignment : aethlios: you think we had the btc low already?
[2017-01-09 08:30:36] happy : aethlios: Cool, that's a good idea
[2017-01-09 08:30:44] aethlios : can't say yet, but at most another test of low 810 but low 30% prob.
[2017-01-09 08:31:27] aethlios : happy: but always check your liq. price and add small amounts of btc to keep a safety range up.
[2017-01-09 08:31:42] Alignment : aethlios right move would be to go margin long until 2K+ in july but can you do it considering the fees
[2017-01-09 08:33:55] MikeHunt : do you guys hold your btc in fiat atm and a little here to play with or?
[2017-01-09 08:34:06] KingTuna : aethlios: Or just put a stop loss in place rather than adding margin
[2017-01-09 08:34:57] j8 : wouldn't holding your btc in fiat just be holding fiat?
[2017-01-09 08:34:58] aethlios : Alignment: if you buy march you don't pay fees and if leave close to top you also gained from premium increase. before pump premium was 45 and could sell at 150 premium.
[2017-01-09 08:35:49] Alignment : what is march? the future contract? and why you don't pay fees?
[2017-01-09 08:36:12] aethlios : yes the future, fees you mean the funding the swap has???
[2017-01-09 08:36:26] Alignment : no i meant the margin fees
[2017-01-09 08:36:45] Alignment : next rally will be in 6 months or so
[2017-01-09 08:36:52] aethlios : Alignment: what are the margin fees??
[2017-01-09 08:37:01] moo : https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2017-01-09/bitcoin-assault-shows-no-target-is-too-small-for-china
[2017-01-09 08:37:03] moo : bye, scam!
[2017-01-09 08:37:07] Alignment : the fees you pay wen you long or short bitcoin on margin
[2017-01-09 08:37:36] aethlios : in what contract?? here in bitmex i mean.
[2017-01-09 08:37:50] Alignment : perpetual swap
[2017-01-09 08:38:11] Alignment : what i meant is that since you know next rally will bring us to 2K+, the good move is to go margin long
[2017-01-09 08:39:23] KingTuna : Not if the PBOV has anything to do with it
[2017-01-09 08:39:34] KingTuna : they can stop a really any time they please
[2017-01-09 08:39:43] KingTuna : rally*
[2017-01-09 08:39:49] MikeHunt : china wants devaluation
[2017-01-09 08:39:55] MikeHunt : they just dont want US on their heels
[2017-01-09 08:39:57] aethlios : Alignment: ok swap is bad for keeping it long term because you pay funding to shorts, so better use march contract (3 month) XBTH17. has no funding fees, it has a premium but you can avoid paying it at the end.
[2017-01-09 08:40:16] MikeHunt : as long as bitcoin/usd gradually climbs they are ok with it
[2017-01-09 08:40:41] KingTuna : Whilst BTC is at a lull, I'm in ETH.. This has some momentum.. And me no care about mETH haters, I purely in it for the money hehe
[2017-01-09 08:40:58] Alignment : aethlios: yeah but if btc rally is in july you miss it with XBTH17
[2017-01-09 08:41:51] aethlios : Alignment: true will have to roll over to the next 3 month etc.
[2017-01-09 08:42:17] Alignment : what are you going to do in prevision for the next rally aethlios?
[2017-01-09 08:44:12] aethlios : Alignment: https://www.tradingview.com/x/GxnvyMVJ/ as you said JULY!!! this is my long term play, need to buy the sept. 3 month cheap, it's premium could hit 300-400 usd if spot 2,500.
[2017-01-09 08:44:54] aethlios : Alignment: building longs below 900 and sell 2,500-2,800 range. wait for crash to 1,350-1,400 to buy back
[2017-01-09 08:45:37] Alignment : so you think you'r better off buying sept 3 month than building a long now at 8XX
[2017-01-09 08:46:05] Alignment : but we ned sept 3 cheap for that to work
[2017-01-09 08:47:10] aethlios : Alignment: now 3 mont is very cheap, sept could be cheap if low volatility and market consolidates below the 1,175-1,200 ATH range, around 1,100.
[2017-01-09 08:48:02] Alignment : aethlios we can evaluate that move looking at XBTH17 now
[2017-01-09 08:48:12] Alignment : march low was 821 thats not a lot
[2017-01-09 08:48:19] aethlios : you buy now the march to catch the retrace up to 1,150 until july. and buy the sept for betting the break out.
[2017-01-09 08:48:27] Alignment : after BFX crash you could have been long at a v cheap price
[2017-01-09 08:49:47] Alignment : XBTH low was 821 high was 13XX
[2017-01-09 08:50:06] Alignment : so +58%
[2017-01-09 08:50:57] Alignment : aethlios: but you could have used perpertual swap to go long at 630 and closed at 1100
[2017-01-09 08:51:32] Alignment : thats 74%
[2017-01-09 08:52:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 1000 @ 920.92
[2017-01-09 09:05:02] KingTuna : Big interest in ETH - Whale on Polo - Lull in BTC, interest has shifted . ETH large 0.017
[2017-01-09 09:05:21] KingTuna : ETH target* 0.017
[2017-01-09 09:09:25] Alignment : and ETC?
[2017-01-09 09:12:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 25067 @ 907.82
[2017-01-09 09:12:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 30043 @ 880.52
[2017-01-09 09:15:00] happy : Buy the dip
[2017-01-09 09:15:41] KingTuna : BTC will go lower. Buy ETH
[2017-01-09 09:17:38] aandy : little more dumping plz
[2017-01-09 09:19:39] KingTuna : Big news for ETH in the next day or two. With BTC falling this should be interesting
[2017-01-09 09:24:35] Dtrade16 : Guys what do you think of Chinas industrial pollution?
[2017-01-09 09:26:51] Dtrade16 : Wouldn't they eventually propose measures to curb it?
[2017-01-09 09:27:02] jose : KingTuna: source ?
[2017-01-09 09:27:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 8000 @ 905.60
[2017-01-09 09:28:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 500 @ 878.10
[2017-01-09 09:29:22] aethlios : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BRUe5PuV4U
[2017-01-09 09:30:12] chaunceylee : KingTuna: what big news
[2017-01-09 09:34:15] rms : people on reddit say some rumor of eth enterprise something or another
[2017-01-09 09:34:42] rms : i know last time the eth troll brigade went spamming around would have been a good time to buy though
[2017-01-09 09:37:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: buy 1 @ 103414 :punch: :whale:
[2017-01-09 09:37:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: buy 1 @ 103414 :punch: :whale:
[2017-01-09 09:37:34] REKT : Have a bowl of chop-chop suey!
[2017-01-09 09:39:41] KyllingLolsson : Hey bitmex team, is it possible to change leverage in the profit n loss calculator!?
[2017-01-09 09:41:20] KyllingLolsson : I usually trade x10 or 25
[2017-01-09 09:41:23] jose : KyllingLolsson: leverage nothing to do with leverage
[2017-01-09 09:42:46] jose : KyllingLolsson: leverage has nothing to do with profit loss
[2017-01-09 09:48:28] moo : china cracking down on bitcoin scam!
[2017-01-09 09:49:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 11 @ 0.012120
[2017-01-09 09:55:24] Dtrade16 : aethlios: Nice vid lol
[2017-01-09 10:23:58] KyllingLolsson : Just want to use the pnl calculator and change leverage
[2017-01-09 10:24:07] BTC-Noob : jose: it influences your interest payments, so in fact it does
[2017-01-09 10:25:12] jose : BTC-Noob: wrong, sorry
[2017-01-09 10:29:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 8000 @ 925.09
[2017-01-09 10:30:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 15000 @ 894.91
[2017-01-09 10:30:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 7000 @ 896.48
[2017-01-09 10:30:57] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1000 @ 895.51
[2017-01-09 10:31:05] Dtrade16 : What's happening?
[2017-01-09 10:31:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1420 @ 897.85
[2017-01-09 10:32:59] jose : Dtrade16: bitcoin doesnt need a reason to go up, but it does in order to go down
[2017-01-09 10:33:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 25834 @ 936.54
[2017-01-09 10:33:12] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/IJsfhQeI/ break out to the upside???
[2017-01-09 10:33:51] jedisatoshi : here we go!
[2017-01-09 10:33:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 1 @ 0.011880
[2017-01-09 10:35:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 40 @ 900.79
[2017-01-09 10:37:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1275 @ 901.59
[2017-01-09 10:37:41] REKT : All aboard the MOON train!
[2017-01-09 10:40:16] arbitrage001 : btc moooon!
[2017-01-09 10:40:20] arbitrage001 : moo
[2017-01-09 10:48:42] mariomarco : arbitrage001: 965 target?
[2017-01-09 10:48:55] arbitrage001 : mariomarco: moon target
[2017-01-09 10:49:01] mariomarco : right
[2017-01-09 10:49:04] arbitrage001 : 1,000,000
[2017-01-09 10:49:05] mariomarco : thanks mate
[2017-01-09 10:49:09] mariomarco : im setting trajectory :P
[2017-01-09 10:50:50] Dtrade16 : Did we just break out of a major resistance area?
[2017-01-09 10:51:09] Dtrade16 : Any analysis guys?
[2017-01-09 10:51:24] arbitrage001 : operation moon in process
[2017-01-09 10:51:41] arbitrage001 : let's hope the rocket engine dont fail
[2017-01-09 10:52:01] arbitrage001 : we hire superior russian scientist
[2017-01-09 10:53:09] alejandromasari : bitcoin on cnbc
[2017-01-09 10:53:20] arbitrage001 : @alejandromasari source?
[2017-01-09 10:53:38] jose : arbitrage001: cnb
[2017-01-09 10:53:46] jose : cnbc*
[2017-01-09 10:53:55] arbitrage001 : a link?
[2017-01-09 10:54:59] alejandromasari : it was on live tv no link man
[2017-01-09 10:56:36] rms : if you see moon on the 15m chart from that break you may be smoking hopium
[2017-01-09 10:57:19] rms : same range as we've had... breaking 940 would be something, or if china gets way ahead
[2017-01-09 11:03:22] wurstgelee : usdcny back to where it was 1 week ago
[2017-01-09 11:05:20] arbitrage001 : so bitcoin moon?
[2017-01-09 11:05:28] arbitrage001 : or bitcoin down to earth?
[2017-01-09 11:06:23] wurstgelee : not necessarily one of those but common opinion would say its indicating up from here
[2017-01-09 11:07:05] alejandromasari : bitcoin looks like it bottomed
[2017-01-09 11:07:06] arbitrage001 : price is extremely volatile
[2017-01-09 11:07:12] wurstgelee : yep
[2017-01-09 11:07:14] wurstgelee : http://www.xe.com/de/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=CNY&view=1W
[2017-01-09 11:07:15] arbitrage001 : so i am sitting out
[2017-01-09 11:07:21] wurstgelee : that
[2017-01-09 11:07:25] arbitrage001 : in case i got hit in the nuts
[2017-01-09 11:07:39] wurstgelee : i am considering opting for a smaller long here
[2017-01-09 11:07:45] wurstgelee : as a gamble
[2017-01-09 11:08:59] alejandromasari : bottoms are always volatile.
[2017-01-09 11:09:12] wurstgelee : no, usually not so much tbh
[2017-01-09 11:09:17] wurstgelee : thats why they are called bottoms
[2017-01-09 11:09:27] wurstgelee : and not wild zic-zacs
[2017-01-09 11:09:47] alejandromasari : it will spike after funding
[2017-01-09 11:09:57] wurstgelee : ? after funding here?
[2017-01-09 11:10:30] wurstgelee : u do realize we trade basically hot air, not connected in any way to the real spot market, here?
[2017-01-09 11:10:46] wurstgelee : no influence on the real market at all?
[2017-01-09 11:11:07] wurstgelee : and that we follow spot and not the other way?
[2017-01-09 11:11:21] alejandromasari : bitmex runs this
[2017-01-09 11:11:29] wurstgelee : yeah. ofc
[2017-01-09 11:11:30] wurstgelee : oO
[2017-01-09 11:11:55] wurstgelee : how lang have u been here?
[2017-01-09 11:11:59] wurstgelee : long
[2017-01-09 11:17:41] alejandromasari : shorts better cover
[2017-01-09 11:22:22] martyix : https://testnet.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Execution/Execution_get - Could you add a format specification for "startTime"?
[2017-01-09 11:25:08] martyix : STRML: ^^ The docs lacks many details. For example, there is a maximum for `count` field (500 records) and it would be nice to read the information and not reverse engineered it with trial and error.
[2017-01-09 11:27:54] BitMEX_Wally : martyix: https://www.bitmex.com/app/restAPI#Timestamp-Filters
[2017-01-09 11:31:51] martyix : Yes, thanks
[2017-01-09 11:32:01] martyix : Anyway, The link `Timestamp Docs` does not work entirely correctly on https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Execution/Execution_getTradeHistory page (it does not move the page down).
[2017-01-09 11:33:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 4000 @ 905.50
[2017-01-09 11:33:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 135 @ 905.59
[2017-01-09 11:33:37] Boontjie : Time to scholong this coin
[2017-01-09 11:34:20] alejandromasari : [06:17] alejandromasari: shorts better cover
[2017-01-09 11:36:04] alejandromasari : back to 1000 in short order
[2017-01-09 11:42:49] lockhedge : alejandromasari: "it will spike after funding" funding is negative, price will be 0.1023% lower after funding
[2017-01-09 11:44:11] micmix : lockhedge: correction, mark price will be 0.0686% lower after funding
[2017-01-09 11:46:32] j8 : you would expect the market to reprice by 0.1023% though.
[2017-01-09 11:48:19] micmix : if the market is effective
[2017-01-09 11:48:42] micmix : it's a big if
[2017-01-09 11:49:06] lockhedge : yes, market price should decline 0.1023% immediately after funding, and then slowly rise 0.0686% until the end of next session
[2017-01-09 11:49:50] j8 : a lot of the time the volatility and spread make it hard to tell anyway. i think it overshoots a lot because people don't want to pay the funding, it's a psychological thing
[2017-01-09 11:50:07] Dynamix : Fuck btc volatility
[2017-01-09 11:50:21] Dynamix : lost too much ?
[2017-01-09 11:50:25] micmix : yeah, I noticed that too. my bot pays the funding often bc ppl pay too much to avoid funding
[2017-01-09 11:50:59] micmix : I mean the market over-compensates
[2017-01-09 11:51:22] j8 : yep
[2017-01-09 11:52:32] Dynamix : 0.025 btc left
[2017-01-09 11:52:41] Dynamix : where to play ? ...
[2017-01-09 11:53:09] alejandromasari : sell the rolex so you can bet more
[2017-01-09 11:53:22] Dynamix : I dont have one lol
[2017-01-09 11:53:53] alejandromasari : Dynamix: you traded too much, emotional trades killed ya
[2017-01-09 11:54:12] Dynamix : U dont know how i traded lol
[2017-01-09 11:54:34] alejandromasari : Dynamix: overtraded
[2017-01-09 11:54:38] Dynamix : Every fucking time i place a long or dhort the damn market gord the other way
[2017-01-09 11:54:48] Dynamix : its fucking pissing the shit out of me
[2017-01-09 11:55:00] Dynamix : and Im going to kill someone. ???
[2017-01-09 11:55:15] alejandromasari : it goes the other way and you sell in panic
[2017-01-09 11:55:25] mariomarco : Dynamix: dude i keep saying this is a scam
[2017-01-09 11:55:34] mariomarco : OKcasino fukken fake volume pumpers
[2017-01-09 11:58:59] l3f : Dynamix: All on black
[2017-01-09 11:59:03] l3f : roll the wheel
[2017-01-09 11:59:32] rapidtrades : DUMPEH IN 1 MIN
[2017-01-09 11:59:46] l3f : rapidtrades: Better fucking not
[2017-01-09 11:59:58] rapidtrades : DO IT NAO
[2017-01-09 12:00:55] j8 : now nobody did
[2017-01-09 12:01:13] l3f : Now is the time to FOMO
[2017-01-09 12:01:39] rapidtrades : micmix: does the funding mess with ur bots? Rado said he needs to restart
[2017-01-09 12:05:04] alejandromasari : i love fucking my cat
[2017-01-09 12:10:56] aethlios : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUrneesrEIg
[2017-01-09 12:12:24] elmorte : I still think we should pro-rate the funding
[2017-01-09 12:20:32] aethlios : big battle will happen with gold bugs against bitcoin when we pass gold price.
[2017-01-09 12:29:18] mariomarco : aethlios: any target prediction except "da moon" on btc ?
[2017-01-09 12:29:34] mariomarco : in a reasonable time span
[2017-01-09 12:29:44] aethlios : mariomarco: https://www.tradingview.com/x/GxnvyMVJ/
[2017-01-09 12:30:07] l3f : Liquidity is so fucking bad
[2017-01-09 12:30:17] l3f : Was it ever this bad
[2017-01-09 12:30:33] l3f : The orderbook is a joke
[2017-01-09 12:31:02] mariomarco : aethlios: that doesnt look too good
[2017-01-09 12:31:50] aethlios : mariomarco: did that a few days before, so bottom already placed
[2017-01-09 12:32:01] elmorte : looks good enough for Mar 31!
[2017-01-09 12:32:24] mariomarco : elmorte: true dat
[2017-01-09 12:32:31] mariomarco : aethlios: so you think we done with bottom ?
[2017-01-09 12:32:41] aethlios : yes
[2017-01-09 12:33:04] l3f : It was going to drop lower but a 1k btc bid came up and held it there
[2017-01-09 12:33:10] l3f : whale-support-bottom
[2017-01-09 12:33:22] mariomarco : we need to break 6400cny
[2017-01-09 12:33:42] l3f : mariomarco: that's nothing, we'll bounce up and down until all the bag holders exit
[2017-01-09 12:34:09] mariomarco : l3f: i just want to see 6500 thats all
[2017-01-09 12:34:10] l3f : It'll take weeks for them to break down and cut losses
[2017-01-09 12:34:19] l3f : you'll see it soon enough
[2017-01-09 12:34:28] mariomarco : l3f: yeah?
[2017-01-09 12:34:35] l3f : patience
[2017-01-09 12:34:42] mariomarco : patience i have
[2017-01-09 12:34:51] l3f : ensurance
[2017-01-09 12:34:54] l3f : endurance*
[2017-01-09 12:35:00] l3f : buy and hold