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[2017-01-07 23:13:15] Dynamix : Double top here big drop incoming
[2017-01-07 23:13:16] mors : do we have futures in bitmex?
[2017-01-07 23:13:17] j8 : have you noticed okcoin's withdrawal fee skimming?
[2017-01-07 23:13:30] nOgAnOo : tell us about it j8
[2017-01-07 23:13:30] rapidtrades : 80 cents as minimum fee is too much imo
[2017-01-07 23:13:35] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: it didn't seeem like a terrible idea before the hack... now I removed all my remaining coins from that site
[2017-01-07 23:13:53] ayy_lmao : every bit counts for the insurance fund rapid
[2017-01-07 23:13:54] j8 : you put in a miner's fee, to get high priority, but they send it with a lower fee anyway
[2017-01-07 23:13:56] premium_freak : mors: yes, they expire in March
[2017-01-07 23:14:56] sleger : j8: yep
[2017-01-07 23:15:21] sleger : j8: also have you noticed that they send a very low fee however you're always in the first block ?
[2017-01-07 23:15:42] j8 : and they batch your withdrawal with others, so they get a bunch of 0.0005's and pay like 0.00012.
[2017-01-07 23:16:00] sleger : but im always in the next block with them
[2017-01-07 23:16:06] rapidtrades : not cool bitmex
[2017-01-07 23:16:09] j8 : yeah is that a deal with miners you think?
[2017-01-07 23:16:15] sleger : yes
[2017-01-07 23:16:32] sleger : dont see another explanation
[2017-01-07 23:16:42] j8 : honestly i send with low fees from my own wallet and always get in first block
[2017-01-07 23:16:46] premium_freak : too lazy to write code for dynamic fees?
[2017-01-07 23:16:49] sleger : even when many transactions are pending they send low fee and always in next block
[2017-01-07 23:16:52] mors : premium_freak: ok i see it now... xbth17
[2017-01-07 23:17:11] rapidtrades : sleger: how much are they pocketing?
[2017-01-07 23:17:29] sleger : rapidtrades: "j8: and they batch your withdrawal with others, so they get a bunch of 0.0005's and pay like 0.00012."
[2017-01-07 23:17:37] rapidtrades : 70 cents per withdrawal?
[2017-01-07 23:17:47] sleger : *many together
[2017-01-07 23:18:18] rapidtrades : ok 75ish?
[2017-01-07 23:18:27] sleger : in the end i still pay 3-5x more here and not in the next block
[2017-01-07 23:18:50] sleger : and you can change the 0.0005 by default, since i noticed that few months back i changed to 0.0002 always
[2017-01-07 23:19:39] j8 : just checked my last two withdrawals from there, they weren't batched but i paid 0.0005 and 0.0002, they paid 0.00018 both times
[2017-01-07 23:19:55] BitMEX_Sam : Fees are based on real-world network conditions; we base them off a target of roughly 70 satoshis/byte to get withdrawals confirmed within 3 blocks
[2017-01-07 23:20:19] rapidtrades : ok so that's why i got 80 ccents quote few days ago
[2017-01-07 23:20:28] BitMEX_Sam : I can't speak to what OKC is doing but it does make sense that they would have a connection to miners
[2017-01-07 23:20:33] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: what's the current rate?
[2017-01-07 23:20:46] BitMEX_Sam : Right; we've found that users almost without fail put the minimum fee in, then we get endless support emails about slow transactions
[2017-01-07 23:20:57] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: 0.0008; it should fall soon
[2017-01-07 23:21:07] sleger : thats because they dont expect transactions to be that large
[2017-01-07 23:21:21] sleger : cause multisig
[2017-01-07 23:21:45] BitMEX_Sam : Right, our transactions are larger than p2pkh
[2017-01-07 23:21:46] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: that's unreasonably high imo, i just sent one with 0.00015 fee and it went in next block
[2017-01-07 23:22:14] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Again, different kind of transaction
[2017-01-07 23:22:15] rapidtrades : *not mutisig
[2017-01-07 23:22:16] Dynamix : dumpening :)
[2017-01-07 23:22:33] nOgAnOo : LOL
[2017-01-07 23:22:37] nOgAnOo : I'm at 72 dollars
[2017-01-07 23:22:44] nOgAnOo : over 1000% this morning
[2017-01-07 23:22:48] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: i remember it as 2-3x normal cost, not 6x
[2017-01-07 23:23:08] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: if only you could do that 7 days in a row
[2017-01-07 23:23:12] BitMEX_Sam : We set the rate manually based on observed market conditions; it may be true that the rate at this very moment is better
[2017-01-07 23:23:24] nOgAnOo : Yeah premium.. you wouldn't believe my business plans man
[2017-01-07 23:23:33] nOgAnOo : I have 1000 varieties of seeds
[2017-01-07 23:23:40] nOgAnOo : I'm building garden robotics
[2017-01-07 23:23:41] BitMEX_Sam : We will be putting an automated process in to recalculate the rate but given our once-a-day withdrawals it's always going to be somewhat of a guess as to how clogged the mempool will be at 13:00 UTC
[2017-01-07 23:24:09] rullwull : j8: i complained about it to support and made them to reimburse the difference for 3 months period
[2017-01-07 23:24:24] nOgAnOo : Sam what time is withdraws?
[2017-01-07 23:24:29] j8 : rullwull: did they actually?
[2017-01-07 23:24:36] BitMEX_Sam : 13:00 UTC daily @nOgAnOo
[2017-01-07 23:25:08] rullwull : yes, i got some btc back, but anyway they keep doing these things with the fee
[2017-01-07 23:25:21] BitMEX_Sam : I'm not sure I understand what the point of skimming fees would be... not only is it a tiny amount, but if you are a miner / have a close relationship with one, just collect the fee when you're mining
[2017-01-07 23:25:31] rapidtrades : i don't see how setting that high fee as minimum is fair to the users, just so u can cut down on support emails
[2017-01-07 23:25:43] premium_freak : what pisses me off more about OKC is their index calculation - I don't think it's correct
[2017-01-07 23:25:53] j8 : its ridiculous that they know about it, admit it's wrong, pay you off if you complain, and keep doing it
[2017-01-07 23:26:16] rullwull : so for now i always put 0.0002 and they send with 0.00018
[2017-01-07 23:26:32] rullwull : yes, they defiantly know about it
[2017-01-07 23:26:35] sleger : honestly i dont really care they do it as long as my transaction goes in the next block
[2017-01-07 23:26:45] sleger : rullwull: i do the same
[2017-01-07 23:26:58] sleger : they said i can open a ticket to get reimbursed, i did not
[2017-01-07 23:27:27] j8 : premium_freak: their index was completely wrong for like two weeks a few months ago, they dropped bitfinex and didn't add coinbase even though they said they had
[2017-01-07 23:27:42] rapidtrades : wow
[2017-01-07 23:27:55] premium_freak : j8: but it also seems like they put more weight on the chinese sites too
[2017-01-07 23:27:55] j8 : they settled on the wrong price at least once
[2017-01-07 23:27:57] rapidtrades : j8: so they overbalanced china?
[2017-01-07 23:28:03] j8 : yep 3/5
[2017-01-07 23:28:28] premium_freak : j8: sorry, I guess that's what you were saying :p it seems like it's almost always the case though
[2017-01-07 23:28:29] rapidtrades : okc is hella shady
[2017-01-07 23:29:27] j8 : premium_freak: they often have the wrong weight for china, because they use a delayed rate for USDCNY
[2017-01-07 23:29:57] j8 : when the yuan devalues their index overvalues the chinese exchanges
[2017-01-07 23:30:12] j8 : this week it's the opposite
[2017-01-07 23:30:33] rapidtrades : yeah they use the 2-week average
[2017-01-07 23:30:48] premium_freak : I usually just go long futures on OKC in situations like these, but they're rare
[2017-01-07 23:36:46] Dynamix : Its going to go down...
[2017-01-07 23:36:59] Dynamix : maybe new higher low
[2017-01-07 23:38:31] Dynamix : Huge sell walls lol
[2017-01-07 23:40:19] MikeHunt : maybe not
[2017-01-07 23:40:28] MikeHunt : usd/yuan suggests it may shoot up then dump
[2017-01-07 23:40:45] MikeHunt : or it will dump a bit to 5600 then shoot up n dump
[2017-01-07 23:40:58] MikeHunt : so far looking very bullish
[2017-01-07 23:41:18] nOgAnOo : indeed
[2017-01-07 23:41:55] bingbongfly : market is clearly not ready for a breakout upwards
[2017-01-07 23:41:58] bingbongfly : would have happened by now
[2017-01-07 23:42:11] bingbongfly : I suspect more chop/sideways
[2017-01-07 23:42:34] bingbongfly : I've closed all my longs at neglible profit, will just wait for a clear trade
[2017-01-07 23:42:35] MikeHunt : bingbongfly: well a minor drop could be profitable ;)
[2017-01-07 23:42:49] ayy_lmao : give it 20 mins
[2017-01-07 23:42:52] bingbongfly : MikeHunt: Could be, my plan is to wait for a more clear trade
[2017-01-07 23:43:41] MikeHunt : sell wall is pretty big
[2017-01-07 23:44:12] Dynamix : gone haha
[2017-01-07 23:46:46] MikeHunt : 1000 btc sell wall
[2017-01-07 23:47:24] Dynamix : where ? lol
[2017-01-07 23:48:31] MikeHunt : probably hold until 1am and then drop
[2017-01-07 23:48:39] MikeHunt : just to ensure no chinese rescue
[2017-01-07 23:49:18] Dynamix : I need it drop under 890 :)
[2017-01-07 23:49:30] Dynamix : long way till there..
[2017-01-07 23:49:38] Yazz : Dynamix: You're perma-short aren't you?!
[2017-01-07 23:49:46] nOgAnOo : You are all very special in my heart.
[2017-01-07 23:49:50] Dynamix : Yazz: haha
[2017-01-07 23:49:53] ayy_lmao : every day
[2017-01-07 23:49:54] Dynamix : not all the time :D
[2017-01-07 23:49:59] ayy_lmao : you say this
[2017-01-07 23:50:03] ayy_lmao : and i lauh
[2017-01-07 23:50:05] ayy_lmao : laugh
[2017-01-07 23:50:19] Dynamix : well sometimes it happens ;)
[2017-01-07 23:50:27] Dynamix : lol pumped
[2017-01-07 23:50:29] Dynamix : :))
[2017-01-07 23:50:32] REKT : Choppy waters make solid seamen!
[2017-01-07 23:50:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 150 @ 6595.2
[2017-01-07 23:50:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 1 @ 942.15 :punch: :whale:
[2017-01-07 23:50:42] nOgAnOo : Big green
[2017-01-07 23:50:44] Dynamix : That fomo ...
[2017-01-07 23:50:57] imabeast : lehgooooo
[2017-01-07 23:51:00] nOgAnOo : I had just shorted at 902 LOL
[2017-01-07 23:51:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 65363 @ 905.49 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-01-07 23:51:07] nOgAnOo : thankfully only 1000
[2017-01-07 23:51:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 23 @ 906.30
[2017-01-07 23:51:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 4800 @ 906.35
[2017-01-07 23:51:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 300 @ 907.61
[2017-01-07 23:51:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2000 @ 906.94
[2017-01-07 23:52:38] Dynamix : short from 887 ...
[2017-01-07 23:52:39] nOgAnOo : k, averaged up
[2017-01-07 23:52:46] Dynamix : its going to drop soon
[2017-01-07 23:52:46] nOgAnOo : entry price on short now 906
[2017-01-07 23:53:08] mors : in cases like these... where i have a short opened on 898... x10 leverage... should i just close it? when the market has gone opposite?
[2017-01-07 23:53:38] bingbongfly : mors: Depends, do you believe the price will go up from here? or down from here?
[2017-01-07 23:53:41] bingbongfly : what would you do if you had no position
[2017-01-07 23:53:51] rapidtrades : god damit, i was arbing and this pump picked one of my legs
[2017-01-07 23:53:54] bingbongfly : Are you a conservative trader that like to minimize losses?
[2017-01-07 23:53:57] Dynamix : where do you see the price going up to ?
[2017-01-07 23:54:01] bingbongfly : Many questions... it's individual
[2017-01-07 23:54:01] Dynamix : 920-930 ?
[2017-01-07 23:54:15] mors : not really that conservative... thanks bingbong
[2017-01-07 23:54:29] bingbongfly : mors: best tip I can give you if you are new is to make some paper trades and evaluate them..
[2017-01-07 23:54:36] bingbongfly : mors: np :)
[2017-01-07 23:54:38] MikeHunt : flick up n drop?
[2017-01-07 23:54:38] bingbongfly : good luck
[2017-01-07 23:55:18] anonymous123421 : don't trade with real money until you get a sense of how much leverage you can handle IMO, I wish I did that.
[2017-01-07 23:55:27] mors : yep... uhmm im only playing x10... 1-2 days ago i was doing x25-100x... its quite dangerous... 10x is manageable for me... but i might try 5x in the next few days
[2017-01-07 23:58:29] nOgAnOo : Big dump pl0x
[2017-01-07 23:59:28] abbey : anonymous123421: +1
[2017-01-07 23:59:29] MikeHunt : not totally sure we're gonna get it
[2017-01-08 00:00:30] anonymous123421 : I think I'm going to buy with 3x - 5x and hold for a few months. Day trading isn't for me.
[2017-01-08 00:00:48] nOgAnOo : looks like upward trend now
[2017-01-08 00:00:58] nOgAnOo : but I don't believe my eyes
[2017-01-08 00:01:03] nOgAnOo : bitcoin belongs at 850!!!
[2017-01-08 00:01:19] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: $1000 I'm telling you :p
[2017-01-08 00:01:34] nOgAnOo : Yeah, I'll buy you a Cheeseburger when you lose everything
[2017-01-08 00:01:51] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: I can't lose it all, I'm at 0.57x leverage
[2017-01-08 00:02:08] nOgAnOo : "can't lose"
[2017-01-08 00:02:20] anonymous123421 : nOgAnOo: Can you actually do that? I'm hungry
[2017-01-08 00:02:21] nOgAnOo : isn't that what they said when they bought tickets on the titanic?
[2017-01-08 00:02:39] MikeHunt : nOgAnOo: "god cant sink this ship" said press
[2017-01-08 00:02:43] MikeHunt : turns out he can...
[2017-01-08 00:02:46] nOgAnOo : LOL!!!!!
[2017-01-08 00:03:15] MikeHunt : now to 5.6k for handle?
[2017-01-08 00:05:08] CaptainDean : current trend is still up
[2017-01-08 00:05:34] anonymous123421 : How should I determine when to buy? I feel like I make bad choices and the market destroys me for them. I think I'll buy and hold with low leverage from now on.
[2017-01-08 00:06:01] nOgAnOo : anonymous, there are 1000 factors
[2017-01-08 00:06:08] abbey : THE handle doesn't need 5.6k anymore @MikeHunt
[2017-01-08 00:06:12] nOgAnOo : if you want to trade along with me you can join my discord server
[2017-01-08 00:06:21] MikeHunt : abbey: here is enough?
[2017-01-08 00:06:30] anonymous123421 : nOgAnOo: sure
[2017-01-08 00:06:46] abbey : MikeHunt: dunno, sorry
[2017-01-08 00:06:51] nOgAnOo : http://discord.cyberfield.tech
[2017-01-08 00:07:40] abbey : MikeHunt: maybe 6000 possible
[2017-01-08 00:07:59] abbey : i really haven't got a clue
[2017-01-08 00:08:30] MikeHunt : down
[2017-01-08 00:08:43] MikeHunt : its weak it break through that trend line
[2017-01-08 00:08:54] MikeHunt : through center
[2017-01-08 00:10:10] abbey : double bottom possible too, 5555, moon from here is possible also, not to mention doom ;)
[2017-01-08 00:10:41] aethlios : daily closed positive.
[2017-01-08 00:10:57] wojteklofi : hello no speak engl use translator ;) or here, is available stoploss?
[2017-01-08 00:12:14] MikeHunt : wojteklofi: Stop Market
[2017-01-08 00:12:54] abbey : MikeHunt: anyhow, looks really bullish to me
[2017-01-08 00:13:45] Adriana : wojteklofi: what do you speak natively?
[2017-01-08 00:14:54] wojteklofi : am a translator and poland google translator;)
[2017-01-08 00:15:16] Dynamix : well these fake pumps ...
[2017-01-08 00:18:35] MikeHunt : oh no
[2017-01-08 00:18:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 59247 @ 899.72 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-01-08 00:21:12] BitMEX_Sam : wojteklofi: zobacz po lewej stronie, w gornym rogu kliknij "Stop Market"
[2017-01-08 00:22:04] sleger : wow !
[2017-01-08 00:22:54] Dynamix : will go down lower...
[2017-01-08 00:22:57] Dynamix : support is down
[2017-01-08 00:23:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 5000 @ 901.51
[2017-01-08 00:25:50] Alignment : sleger how much are u up on bitmex
[2017-01-08 00:26:04] sleger : Alignment: why ?
[2017-01-08 00:26:07] sleger : what would that mean ?
[2017-01-08 00:26:32] Alignment : just curious to what kind of money can be made trading
[2017-01-08 00:26:49] sleger : i mostly have cross exchange positions so i could make 100btc on one exchange and lose 80 on another
[2017-01-08 00:27:09] Alignment : do you do that for hedging your positions?
[2017-01-08 00:27:23] sleger : but lets say here 3 digits
[2017-01-08 00:27:33] Alignment : life time?
[2017-01-08 00:27:39] Alignment : how old is this site
[2017-01-08 00:27:47] sleger : 2y+
[2017-01-08 00:28:11] Alignment : thats not that much
[2017-01-08 00:28:29] Alignment : im from the poker world and during the golden days good players would make 100k/month easily
[2017-01-08 00:28:50] Alignment : well the very good ones
[2017-01-08 00:29:02] sleger : Alignment: https://www.bitmex.com/app/leaderboard
[2017-01-08 00:29:29] Alignment : yeah i saw that, thats why im asking, but i wondered if a lot were hiding their results
[2017-01-08 00:29:40] sleger : im sure people at 0kcoin would have made much more in top 10
[2017-01-08 00:29:57] sleger : Alignment: these results are already hidden, dont the names sound weird to you ?
[2017-01-08 00:30:00] sleger : its anonymised
[2017-01-08 00:30:03] Rado2 : sleger: what is the first letter of your nick on the leader board?
[2017-01-08 00:30:13] Alignment : yeah but you can hide your profits too
[2017-01-08 00:30:13] sleger : Rado2: nice try
[2017-01-08 00:30:23] nOgAnOo : Rado I am up to 82 dollars
[2017-01-08 00:30:26] nOgAnOo : 1200% today
[2017-01-08 00:30:29] sleger : Alignment: ok forgot about that
[2017-01-08 00:30:49] Alignment : sleger, do you only trade btcs? or altcoins too?
[2017-01-08 00:31:10] sleger : some alts but not much
[2017-01-08 00:35:17] Rado2 : nOgAnOo: great
[2017-01-08 00:38:32] Speran49 : this black-quartz-muse in leaderboard
[2017-01-08 00:38:33] Speran49 : so crazy
[2017-01-08 00:38:39] Speran49 : 142932%
[2017-01-08 00:38:40] Speran49 : wtf
[2017-01-08 00:42:15] jan : Hi is that leaderboard from year ? month?
[2017-01-08 00:42:41] Speran49 : it doesnt say timeframe
[2017-01-08 00:43:56] Dtrade16 : Guys are we bullish on the hourly or do I have that wrong?
[2017-01-08 00:45:42] MikeHunt : looks like cup handle
[2017-01-08 00:45:44] MikeHunt : then moon
[2017-01-08 00:45:51] MikeHunt : according to usd/cnh charts
[2017-01-08 00:46:09] alejandromasari : MikeHunt: you see they squeeze shorts first
[2017-01-08 00:46:16] alejandromasari : MikeHunt: the go lower
[2017-01-08 00:46:50] hwrenqr : lol
[2017-01-08 00:47:10] MikeHunt : alejandromasari: yeh as low to ~$860
[2017-01-08 00:47:12] Dtrade16 : ??
[2017-01-08 00:47:31] alejandromasari : MikeHunt: 780
[2017-01-08 00:47:35] MikeHunt : alejandromasari: im using CNH so 5600-5800 what ever that translates to
[2017-01-08 00:47:55] alejandromasari : MikeHunt: CNY you mean
[2017-01-08 00:48:14] MikeHunt : alejandromasari: CNH is offshore yuan
[2017-01-08 00:48:18] MikeHunt : thats what dailyfx chart says
[2017-01-08 00:48:37] Dynamix : well
[2017-01-08 00:48:42] Dynamix : the short happened haha
[2017-01-08 00:48:53] alejandromasari : MikeHunt: but you are trading xbt/usd
[2017-01-08 00:49:01] alejandromasari : why dont you look at the xbtusd chart
[2017-01-08 00:49:06] MikeHunt : alejandromasari: imo the chinese lead the pack
[2017-01-08 00:49:40] MikeHunt : i trade xbt/usd here but use okc charts for reference
[2017-01-08 00:51:47] MikeHunt : charts suggest a drop to ~$840 max
[2017-01-08 00:51:57] MikeHunt : then power up to 900
[2017-01-08 00:52:13] MikeHunt : 920*
[2017-01-08 00:53:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 916 @ 6474.1
[2017-01-08 00:53:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 15 @ 927.55
[2017-01-08 00:53:02] REKT : Have a bowl of chop-chop suey!
[2017-01-08 00:53:13] Dtrade16 : I say we rip to 850 and up to 950 soon
[2017-01-08 00:53:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5000 @ 895.21
[2017-01-08 00:53:28] MikeHunt : yup, long/short squeeze then pump
[2017-01-08 00:53:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 18548 @ 893.18
[2017-01-08 00:54:24] Dtrade16 : There have been over a million contracts purchased within the last 2-3 days
[2017-01-08 00:54:53] Dtrade16 : Who's got the most capital here?
[2017-01-08 00:55:02] Dtrade16 : Any whales?
[2017-01-08 00:56:20] Dtrade16 : There's a million dollar buy order on finex at like 780 or something
[2017-01-08 00:56:36] ytaews : cool
[2017-01-08 00:58:31] Dtrade16 : I say special interest groups own BTC
[2017-01-08 00:58:47] Dtrade16 : It's no different than banks that own gold
[2017-01-08 00:58:51] Dtrade16 : They play with the price
[2017-01-08 00:58:57] sleger : lol
[2017-01-08 00:59:08] Dtrade16 : Pump and dump via bullshit news they create
[2017-01-08 00:59:20] sleger : i say whoever can put the largest order sell zcash at 1.0 has the biggest balance
[2017-01-08 01:00:45] Dynamix : We willgo more down
[2017-01-08 01:02:07] Dtrade16 : Do you guys think it's a coincidence that this news always appears after ATHs or close to?
[2017-01-08 01:02:07] Dtrade16 : Lol
[2017-01-08 01:02:16] Dtrade16 : They must think we're stupid
[2017-01-08 01:02:29] Dtrade16 : Which a lot of people are of course
[2017-01-08 01:03:41] rapidtrades : sleger: don't block the ZEC!
[2017-01-08 01:06:20] JMG99 : Is PnL calculation for Swap intentioanally 1/EntryPrice-1/ExitPrice? Normally PnL calulation would be 1/ExitPrice-1/EntryPrice.
[2017-01-08 01:06:55] Chewie : JMG99: Yes, it's an inverse contract
[2017-01-08 01:07:27] Chewie : ..
[2017-01-08 01:07:37] sleger : "Normally PnL calulation would be 1/ExitPrice-1/EntryPrice." <= hmm where ?
[2017-01-08 01:08:07] Dtrade16 : Why are people short while we're in an uptrend?
[2017-01-08 01:08:15] Chewie : maybe if ur short
[2017-01-08 01:08:17] JMG99 : 100 Profit entered from 600 would result in 16.66% profit but according to the swap pnl calulation, it's 14.28% profit.
[2017-01-08 01:08:29] sleger : Chewie: indeed, but i dont think thats what he meant
[2017-01-08 01:08:44] Chewie : I dont think he knows what he meant
[2017-01-08 01:08:56] sleger : agreed
[2017-01-08 01:09:55] Chewie : why dont u try stick to the PNL calculator @JMG99
[2017-01-08 01:11:42] JMG99 : oops sorry I misunderstood something. I got it now.
[2017-01-08 01:11:59] rapidtrades : now kraken has 0.0005 u can't change
[2017-01-08 01:11:59] JMG99 : I was confused about xbt and usd...
[2017-01-08 01:12:01] rapidtrades : wtf ppl
[2017-01-08 01:12:08] rapidtrades : stop nickle and diming us
[2017-01-08 01:12:47] rapidtrades : 45 cents fee for bitcoin, 9 cents for SEPA
[2017-01-08 01:12:52] rapidtrades : makes sense kraken
[2017-01-08 01:13:28] aandy : its been hovering 900 for a while now...
[2017-01-08 01:14:36] Dtrade16 : aandy: Are you short?
[2017-01-08 01:15:08] aandy : yea at 890,69
[2017-01-08 01:15:39] Dtrade16 : aandy: What's the reason?
[2017-01-08 01:15:51] Dtrade16 : Aren't we trending up on the 15 min chart?
[2017-01-08 01:16:14] aandy : i opened this 3 hours ago
[2017-01-08 01:16:17] rapidtrades : omg the 15m chart! bears watch out
[2017-01-08 01:17:13] Dtrade16 : rapidtrades: What chart should I be looking at then genius?
[2017-01-08 01:17:52] Dtrade16 : There have been over a million contracts bought in the last 1 or 2 I'm wondering why people are short
[2017-01-08 01:22:21] Dynamix : 1min
[2017-01-08 01:24:12] Dtrade16 : Ok
[2017-01-08 01:24:18] Dtrade16 : Thanks
[2017-01-08 01:27:44] rapidtrades : 43 secs
[2017-01-08 01:28:41] rapidtrades : btce 848 dollars kraken 858 euros
[2017-01-08 01:28:44] rapidtrades : LOL
[2017-01-08 01:36:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 50 @ 932.35
[2017-01-08 01:39:40] Dynamix : There it goes
[2017-01-08 01:46:52] rapidtrades : https://uk.style.yahoo.com/it-looks-like-mens-chokers-will-be-a-thing-in-2017-023711213.html
[2017-01-08 01:46:59] rapidtrades : ^ LOL
[2017-01-08 01:51:27] rapidtrades : daily chart looks ugly as sin
[2017-01-08 01:52:44] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: are they trying to be dogs?
[2017-01-08 01:55:11] Dtrade16 : A trend for queers maybe
[2017-01-08 01:56:41] amirmass : moon time
[2017-01-08 01:57:41] amirmass : long X100 or gtfo
[2017-01-08 01:58:43] nOgAnOo : ugh
[2017-01-08 01:58:45] nOgAnOo : I wanna sleep
[2017-01-08 01:58:46] nOgAnOo : GO UP
[2017-01-08 01:58:50] nOgAnOo : GO UP CHINA
[2017-01-08 01:58:56] nOgAnOo : I'M TIRED
[2017-01-08 01:59:14] nOgAnOo : We KNOW you want 8888 again
[2017-01-08 01:59:20] nOgAnOo : and to break through this time
[2017-01-08 01:59:43] nOgAnOo : Make Altcoins Great Again
[2017-01-08 01:59:50] Yazz : I don't think that will be happening anytime soon
[2017-01-08 01:59:56] MikeHunt : Dtrade16: well u know...furfags
[2017-01-08 02:00:17] MikeHunt : nOgAnOo: usd/cny suggests it could hang aeround
[2017-01-08 02:00:32] nOgAnOo : It might do noghint?
[2017-01-08 02:00:36] nOgAnOo : I could close out here at a tiny profit
[2017-01-08 02:00:50] nOgAnOo : But I need more!
[2017-01-08 02:01:00] nOgAnOo : I want to buy nice gifts for my friends
[2017-01-08 02:01:03] Yazz : up to $70 in front today?
[2017-01-08 02:01:15] nOgAnOo : 75 right now.. until this trade is over
[2017-01-08 02:01:36] nOgAnOo : Waiting for a massive pump
[2017-01-08 02:02:04] anonymous123421 : CJINA
[2017-01-08 02:02:05] Yazz : it was around this time yesterday when it dumped again
[2017-01-08 02:02:25] nOgAnOo : yes, I heard about their dumping rituals
[2017-01-08 02:02:31] arezki : HELLO, what is the currency you offer me bought and you thought it will increase its% ???
[2017-01-08 02:02:34] anonymous123421 : Isn't it morning in china right now?
[2017-01-08 02:03:14] Yazz : 10am BJ
[2017-01-08 02:04:16] anonymous123421 : GOOD MORNING VIIETNAM
[2017-01-08 02:05:44] Formiga : Hey peoples, how do I get my referral link to send to a friend?
[2017-01-08 02:05:51] nOgAnOo : Good morning Vietnam, please invest in coin
[2017-01-08 02:07:35] BitMEX_Sam : Formiga: Go to https://www.bitmex.com/app/affiliates
[2017-01-08 02:07:43] nOgAnOo : I'm listening to the Bible while I trade
[2017-01-08 02:07:45] nOgAnOo : Multitasking
[2017-01-08 02:09:06] olimano1 : XBT has slowed down a lot in the last hour or so
[2017-01-08 02:09:23] nOgAnOo : No heartbeat
[2017-01-08 02:09:32] nOgAnOo : Just when I get up to a good amount of money..
[2017-01-08 02:10:21] nOgAnOo : HERE WE GO CHINA
[2017-01-08 02:10:23] nOgAnOo : I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT
[2017-01-08 02:10:35] nOgAnOo : DRINK SOME COFFEE OR TEA
[2017-01-08 02:13:52] nOgAnOo : Here we go
[2017-01-08 02:13:54] nOgAnOo : Finally!
[2017-01-08 02:20:18] Yazz : Seems BTC is taking Sunday off
[2017-01-08 02:20:56] nOgAnOo : I sold at a small profit
[2017-01-08 02:21:00] nOgAnOo : after staring at the screen 2 hours lol
[2017-01-08 02:27:44] aandy : dude its been 900 for so long
[2017-01-08 02:27:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 50 @ 941.69
[2017-01-08 02:31:56] REKT : Getting chopped to death is fun, everyone should try it!
[2017-01-08 02:31:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2 @ 903.88 :punch: :whale:
[2017-01-08 02:31:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 3 @ 903.93 :punch: :whale:
[2017-01-08 02:33:45] anonymous123421 : Those gains!
[2017-01-08 02:34:53] Dynamix : Big dump coming
[2017-01-08 02:35:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 15000 @ 6647.0
[2017-01-08 02:35:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 1500 @ 6654.9
[2017-01-08 02:37:30] ayy_lmao : i wish moo was here to see this
[2017-01-08 02:37:38] Wings : looks like a reverse head and shoulders in BTC... no ?
[2017-01-08 02:37:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 20001 @ 910.62
[2017-01-08 02:38:05] Dtrade16 : Damn
[2017-01-08 02:41:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 393 @ 913.37
[2017-01-08 02:44:30] aandy : moo is probably already liquidated
[2017-01-08 02:46:21] Dtrade16 : aandy: shorted?
[2017-01-08 02:47:15] ayy_lmao : this is only beginning btw
[2017-01-08 02:48:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 90000 @ 915.08 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-01-08 02:48:26] 24hourz : wow
[2017-01-08 02:48:27] 24hourz : wow
[2017-01-08 02:48:28] 24hourz : wow
[2017-01-08 02:49:06] premium_freak : would be fun to see the username who got liquidated :)
[2017-01-08 02:49:27] Dynamix : We are going to 1000
[2017-01-08 02:50:52] nOgAnOo : Ugh
[2017-01-08 02:50:54] nOgAnOo : I need to sleep
[2017-01-08 02:50:57] nOgAnOo : Should trade tired
[2017-01-08 02:51:16] nOgAnOo : just lost 80% of my profits
[2017-01-08 02:51:28] Dtrade16 : nOgAnOo: You're short?
[2017-01-08 02:51:35] nOgAnOo : i was scalping all day
[2017-01-08 02:51:37] Dtrade16 : Why would you short right now?
[2017-01-08 02:51:37] premium_freak : I warned you not to short dude
[2017-01-08 02:51:52] nOgAnOo : Dtrade... umm
[2017-01-08 02:51:56] nOgAnOo : I've been trading all day
[2017-01-08 02:51:58] Dtrade16 : You can't gauge whats going on?
[2017-01-08 02:52:02] nOgAnOo : I just happend to be in short position
[2017-01-08 02:52:05] nOgAnOo : don't ask questions
[2017-01-08 02:52:06] Dtrade16 : nOgAnOo: That's bad
[2017-01-08 02:52:15] nOgAnOo : you're an idiot
[2017-01-08 02:52:23] Dtrade16 : Why?
[2017-01-08 02:52:35] nOgAnOo : "WHY WOULD YOU"
[2017-01-08 02:52:39] nOgAnOo : "THAT'S BAD"
[2017-01-08 02:52:43] nOgAnOo : way to be constructive
[2017-01-08 02:52:55] 24hourz : rekts incoming
[2017-01-08 02:53:07] Dtrade16 : I didn't mean to be rude sorry bro
[2017-01-08 02:53:21] Dynamix : Up we go :)
[2017-01-08 02:53:55] Dtrade16 : Give me 910 mfer!
[2017-01-08 02:55:02] Dtrade16 : Almost 100k futures just bought in last 2 hours
[2017-01-08 02:55:46] Dtrade16 : Looks like we're going up
[2017-01-08 02:56:02] Dtrade16 : Any targets? 1000?
[2017-01-08 02:56:11] premium_freak : 950 should be easy
[2017-01-08 02:56:13] Dynamix : Dtrade16: yup
[2017-01-08 02:56:23] Dtrade16 : Dynamix: You long?
[2017-01-08 02:56:30] Dynamix : Yup
[2017-01-08 02:56:38] Dtrade16 : How much? :)
[2017-01-08 02:57:06] MikeHunt : wait for correction before buying
[2017-01-08 02:57:13] MikeHunt : could come down hard
[2017-01-08 02:57:27] nOgAnOo : UP DOWN I DON'T KNWO
[2017-01-08 02:57:28] nOgAnOo : lol
[2017-01-08 02:57:36] jedisatoshi : MikeHunt: you still trying to short?
[2017-01-08 02:57:40] MikeHunt : jedisatoshi: no
[2017-01-08 02:57:44] weather b0y4 : glad i bought futures 855 yesterday lol
[2017-01-08 02:57:47] MikeHunt : jedisatoshi: i mean before long + leverage
[2017-01-08 02:57:47] jedisatoshi : MikeHunt: well thats good
[2017-01-08 02:58:02] jedisatoshi : im still holding my long from last night at 819
[2017-01-08 02:58:09] weather b0y4 : now im back to where i was before trying to catch knives -_-
[2017-01-08 02:58:25] ayy_lmao : just long and hold
[2017-01-08 02:58:26] ayy_lmao : this isnt hard
[2017-01-08 02:58:33] arezki : I buy the bitcoin or I sell?
[2017-01-08 02:58:39] jedisatoshi : ayy_lmao: exactly
[2017-01-08 02:59:09] premium_freak : it's hard to resist selling now :p
[2017-01-08 03:00:32] nOgAnOo : well I'm out
[2017-01-08 03:00:38] Dynamix : To sell or nah ?
[2017-01-08 03:00:39] premium_freak : cu nOgAnOo
[2017-01-08 03:00:40] nOgAnOo : lost 70 and paid back my friend 10 bucks
[2017-01-08 03:00:46] nOgAnOo : and I need to sleep!
[2017-01-08 03:00:50] nOgAnOo : Was a great experience today
[2017-01-08 03:00:53] nOgAnOo : learned a bit more
[2017-01-08 03:00:58] nOgAnOo : Well worth it.
[2017-01-08 03:01:04] Dynamix : Nice :)
[2017-01-08 03:01:07] nOgAnOo : Plus I got to meet more awesome trollers
[2017-01-08 03:01:22] nOgAnOo : My steemit payout is in 2 days so oh well :)
[2017-01-08 03:01:33] nOgAnOo : Take care guys, trade safe. Love u.
[2017-01-08 03:02:28] ayy_lmao : once everyone in this chat is telling you to long, you close
[2017-01-08 03:02:39] ayy_lmao : for now everyone still trying to short
[2017-01-08 03:02:41] ayy_lmao : lol
[2017-01-08 03:02:48] datboiyuan : If I cancel the trade before it gets filled, do I still pay. fees?
[2017-01-08 03:02:54] ayy_lmao : no
[2017-01-08 03:03:23] premium_freak : I don't get why anyone would short right after a 20+% drop
[2017-01-08 03:03:36] datboiyuan : im short
[2017-01-08 03:03:39] ayy_lmao : you actually get payed for maker orders
[2017-01-08 03:03:44] nOgAnOo : Yes
[2017-01-08 03:03:47] nOgAnOo : I trade for fees
[2017-01-08 03:03:59] nOgAnOo : Worked until I tried trading tired
[2017-01-08 03:04:05] nOgAnOo : was up 1200%
[2017-01-08 03:04:41] nOgAnOo : Don't trade tired guys.
[2017-01-08 03:04:57] ayy_lmao : nothing worse than falling asleep at the trading desk lol
[2017-01-08 03:05:46] nOgAnOo : My friend did that yesterday.. was up 175% then got liquidated
[2017-01-08 03:06:00] weather b0y4 : how much did he lose?
[2017-01-08 03:06:23] nOgAnOo : 150
[2017-01-08 03:06:42] nOgAnOo : Ok just did a 25% scalp now off to bed
[2017-01-08 03:06:53] sleger : nOgAnOo: rekted again ?
[2017-01-08 03:07:05] weather b0y4 : okay, so relatively small amounts
[2017-01-08 03:07:11] QuantFocus : choo choo
[2017-01-08 03:07:40] arbitrage001 : good morning, fellow trolls
[2017-01-08 03:07:46] arbitrage001 : how is everyone doing?
[2017-01-08 03:07:50] arbitrage001 : getting rekt again?
[2017-01-08 03:07:58] ayy_lmao : u know it
[2017-01-08 03:08:02] anonymous123421 : kek
[2017-01-08 03:08:10] arbitrage001 : have some extra anal cream here
[2017-01-08 03:08:26] weather b0y4 : i YOLO'd last night, thought i would get rekt
[2017-01-08 03:08:37] weather b0y4 : but no =0
[2017-01-08 03:08:50] Dynamix : Lost 50% of what i entered
[2017-01-08 03:09:09] arbitrage001 : it appears i am somehow net long
[2017-01-08 03:09:33] arbitrage001 : since my stash goes up in usd term when btc goes up
[2017-01-08 03:09:48] nOgAnOo : Wait one last thing
[2017-01-08 03:10:00] nOgAnOo : You guys say "it went up 30%, why would you short"
[2017-01-08 03:10:10] nOgAnOo : and also "it went down 20%, why would you short"
[2017-01-08 03:10:12] premium_freak : I said it went down
[2017-01-08 03:10:13] nOgAnOo : think about that
[2017-01-08 03:10:18] nOgAnOo : lol
[2017-01-08 03:10:19] arbitrage001 : nOgAnOo: some traders only trade premium and interest
[2017-01-08 03:10:20] premium_freak : well I didn't say both
[2017-01-08 03:10:25] arbitrage001 : like premium_freak here
[2017-01-08 03:10:32] premium_freak : arbitrage001: I do both
[2017-01-08 03:10:39] arbitrage001 : premium_freak: same here
[2017-01-08 03:10:41] premium_freak : arbitrage001: I speculate and collect premium
[2017-01-08 03:10:48] anonymous123421 : What does it mean to trade premium?
[2017-01-08 03:10:55] nOgAnOo : ^
[2017-01-08 03:11:13] Dynamix : The dumpening
[2017-01-08 03:11:16] premium_freak : anonymous123421: holding bitcoins and selling futures against it
[2017-01-08 03:11:38] nOgAnOo : you short futures?
[2017-01-08 03:11:48] nOgAnOo : what percentage of your coins is futures shorts
[2017-01-08 03:11:55] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: 100%
[2017-01-08 03:11:58] premium_freak : in this account
[2017-01-08 03:12:03] nOgAnOo : total
[2017-01-08 03:12:05] premium_freak : I'm at 0.99x leverage right now
[2017-01-08 03:12:10] anonymous123421 : So hedging?
[2017-01-08 03:12:18] nOgAnOo : hedging with a million
[2017-01-08 03:12:24] nOgAnOo : getting paid interest
[2017-01-08 03:12:28] nOgAnOo : sounds boring
[2017-01-08 03:12:28] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: no I don't have a million hedged right now
[2017-01-08 03:12:46] nOgAnOo : if it skyrockets one of your positions loses hard
[2017-01-08 03:12:48] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: I'm long, but I also sold some futures
[2017-01-08 03:13:07] nOgAnOo : I like to go straight ahead
[2017-01-08 03:13:16] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: I know you do :)
[2017-01-08 03:13:30] nOgAnOo : rekt 9 times in a row