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BitMEX disabled their archive after the DDOS attack so I have decided to make my mirror publicly available.

Well now, a few days after I made this mirror available to the public, the original archive from BitMEX is online again.
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[2017-01-07 21:28:12] nOgAnOo : lol
[2017-01-07 21:28:21] nOgAnOo : I just pushed a bot down 1.50
[2017-01-07 21:28:32] nOgAnOo : eat it up china
[2017-01-07 21:30:18] premium_freak : do you guys hold any long term positions?
[2017-01-07 21:30:37] MikeHunt : premium_freak: uncertain atm
[2017-01-07 21:30:45] MikeHunt : premium_freak: depends what china gov does
[2017-01-07 21:30:53] MikeHunt : premium_freak: regs = drop otherwise we rise
[2017-01-07 21:31:35] ayy_lmao : prob pump on new daily
[2017-01-07 21:31:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 16000 @ 890.03
[2017-01-07 21:31:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 38256 @ 891.32
[2017-01-07 21:31:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2000 @ 890.44
[2017-01-07 21:31:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 9000 @ 891.05
[2017-01-07 21:32:19] premium_freak : anyone collecting premium here at all?
[2017-01-07 21:32:27] nOgAnOo : k, up to 47
[2017-01-07 21:32:36] nOgAnOo : premium I made 600% this morning
[2017-01-07 21:32:39] nOgAnOo : :)
[2017-01-07 21:32:48] nOgAnOo : turned 7 dollars into 48
[2017-01-07 21:33:05] premium_freak : nice... that'll buy you a nice meal tonight
[2017-01-07 21:34:14] nOgAnOo : I'm saving for some "Blackberry Cheesecake"
[2017-01-07 21:34:20] nOgAnOo : Not food. :)
[2017-01-07 21:34:28] premium_freak : ooh, I love cheese cake
[2017-01-07 21:35:29] nOgAnOo : premium, what kinda bots do you use?
[2017-01-07 21:35:43] premium_freak : I just trade manually
[2017-01-07 21:35:54] premium_freak : I tried coding a bot once, and I failed at it, lol
[2017-01-07 21:36:23] nOgAnOo : yeah I'm about to try the bitmex bot.. I finally got a box with linux on it..
[2017-01-07 21:36:31] premium_freak : but I typically only trade on heavy volatility, the rest of the time I'm just short premium (i.e. short futures, long bitcoin)
[2017-01-07 21:36:55] nOgAnOo : Interesting.. I've heard of someone else doing that
[2017-01-07 21:36:58] nOgAnOo : so futures is your hedge?
[2017-01-07 21:37:12] premium_freak : yeah, basically I have neutral market risk
[2017-01-07 21:37:40] sleger : works well when bitfinex gets hacked
[2017-01-07 21:37:53] premium_freak : sleger: Indeed, I lost pretty much all my profits at bitfinex
[2017-01-07 21:38:06] j8 : i hedged on bitfinex :(
[2017-01-07 21:38:09] premium_freak : luckily I didn't trust them with a lot of my money
[2017-01-07 21:38:25] sleger : they havent announcement a repayment yet this month
[2017-01-07 21:38:37] premium_freak : at ok coin I have a max dollar amount for my account, and take out all profits beyond that number
[2017-01-07 21:38:57] nOgAnOo : sweet.. I have 1500 contracts and my liquidation price is still 20 dollars away
[2017-01-07 21:39:22] premium_freak : at ok coin alone I made over $300k in just premium
[2017-01-07 21:39:31] nOgAnOo : impressive
[2017-01-07 21:39:44] nOgAnOo : are you feeling generous today? :)
[2017-01-07 21:39:44] Dynamix : premium_freak: wtf well, you are some rich mofo :))
[2017-01-07 21:39:47] sleger : it means you hedge for about 500k+
[2017-01-07 21:40:06] premium_freak : sleger: yes, that's my max there, with an account size of $100k
[2017-01-07 21:40:12] Dynamix : But do you have a lamborghini ?:)
[2017-01-07 21:40:21] nOgAnOo : Real men don't need a lambo
[2017-01-07 21:40:31] premium_freak : I've been short premium on ok coin since pretty much day 1
[2017-01-07 21:40:32] sleger : so if 0kc gets hacked, you lose that, and btc crashes so your coins are worth much less so you pretty much lose everything
[2017-01-07 21:40:32] nOgAnOo : Lambos are for scammers like Romero from Paycoin
[2017-01-07 21:40:41] Dynamix : just to have as a sports car lol
[2017-01-07 21:40:42] nOgAnOo : He had 2 lambos then ran off with millions of his customers money
[2017-01-07 21:40:53] premium_freak : sleger: yup...
[2017-01-07 21:41:09] nOgAnOo : Everything is a risk....
[2017-01-07 21:41:31] nOgAnOo : YESSSSSSSSS!!!
[2017-01-07 21:41:33] nOgAnOo : FILLED!
[2017-01-07 21:41:37] nOgAnOo : up to 52 dollars
[2017-01-07 21:41:53] nOgAnOo : soon will be at 1000%
[2017-01-07 21:42:04] Apocalyptic : "at ok coin alone I made over $300k in just premium" how does that work ? I don't get make X in premium
[2017-01-07 21:42:29] premium_freak : Apocalyptic: short futures, long bitcoin and hold till expiration of the futures
[2017-01-07 21:42:37] premium_freak : a lot has been written about it on the webs
[2017-01-07 21:43:06] nOgAnOo : Is that how you made most of your money?
[2017-01-07 21:43:15] nOgAnOo : How did you start?
[2017-01-07 21:43:17] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: no, I was in bitcoin since 2011
[2017-01-07 21:43:24] nOgAnOo : Ok, I wanted to..
[2017-01-07 21:43:25] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: I am*
[2017-01-07 21:43:31] nOgAnOo : It was 1.73 when I first seen it..
[2017-01-07 21:43:37] Apocalyptic : premium_freak: Assuming you shorted the futures at a higher price than you bought spot, right ?
[2017-01-07 21:43:38] nOgAnOo : But I could not get 150 dollars for a GPU
[2017-01-07 21:43:44] nOgAnOo : I called the 1000 dollar price then
[2017-01-07 21:43:49] nOgAnOo : told all my friends and family
[2017-01-07 21:43:57] nOgAnOo : only 1 listened and he spent it on heroin
[2017-01-07 21:44:05] premium_freak : Apocalyptic: yes, but look at the futures right now - they're at 920ish while btc spot is at 890ish
[2017-01-07 21:44:16] Apocalyptic : I know
[2017-01-07 21:44:38] flux : what jurisdiction is bitmex under?
[2017-01-07 21:44:53] inconspic : flux: internetz
[2017-01-07 21:45:09] flux : good answer ;)
[2017-01-07 21:45:17] flux : im just wondering if they are gonna get hounded by pboc
[2017-01-07 21:45:23] nOgAnOo : premium do you need any help with anything? I'm looking for an e-job
[2017-01-07 21:45:41] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: I could use a good accountant :p
[2017-01-07 21:45:53] nOgAnOo : email me if you want.. noganoo@live.com
[2017-01-07 21:46:15] nOgAnOo : Pretty good at math
[2017-01-07 21:46:45] nOgAnOo : I'll work for minimum wage
[2017-01-07 21:46:49] nOgAnOo : 8 dollars an hour
[2017-01-07 21:46:53] j8 : sounds like a shitty accountant
[2017-01-07 21:47:05] j8 : no offense :)
[2017-01-07 21:47:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 700 @ 888.78
[2017-01-07 21:48:06] Dynamix : dump following
[2017-01-07 21:48:07] Dynamix : to 880 ?
[2017-01-07 21:48:25] nOgAnOo : Looks bearish for sure
[2017-01-07 21:49:07] Dynamix : time to go down :)
[2017-01-07 21:51:27] abbey : you guys are hilarious!
[2017-01-07 21:52:06] Dynamix : abbey: Are you a gurl ?
[2017-01-07 21:52:26] abbey : i'm a bull
[2017-01-07 21:52:36] Dynamix : abbey: hahahha
[2017-01-07 21:52:36] abbey : the bull
[2017-01-07 21:52:43] Dynamix : abbey: Big dongle eh ? :)
[2017-01-07 21:52:51] Dynamix : abbey: Going down hehe
[2017-01-07 21:53:31] Dynamix : GO TO SHIT BTC
[2017-01-07 21:54:00] abbey : yes, big green dongle rising soon
[2017-01-07 21:54:03] Dynamix : who tf is longing now ?
[2017-01-07 21:54:13] Dynamix : abbey: how do you know ? :)
[2017-01-07 21:54:14] premium_freak : Dynamix: that would be me :p
[2017-01-07 21:54:16] Dynamix : up to 900 or what ?
[2017-01-07 21:54:35] Dynamix : premium_freak: Haha , You wish dude :)
[2017-01-07 21:55:11] Dynamix : premium_freak: We need girls in this chat :D
[2017-01-07 21:55:13] nOgAnOo : Yeah I'm long at 890 right now
[2017-01-07 21:55:20] abbey : Dynamix: you just know when your dongle is about to rise
[2017-01-07 21:55:22] premium_freak : seriously, I bought during the dip and not intending to let go of those btc until $1000
[2017-01-07 21:55:39] Dynamix : abbey: It rises every morning. Up and shine :D
[2017-01-07 21:55:59] nOgAnOo : Premium freak did you copy down my email, sir? :)
[2017-01-07 21:56:19] Dynamix : premium_freak: nice nice, it will get back up there but not so soon hehe
[2017-01-07 21:56:24] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: I don't know what you can do for me. I'm just a monkey trading :p
[2017-01-07 21:56:26] abbey : Dynamix: so you're fine then
[2017-01-07 21:56:30] premium_freak : Dynamix: I have time..
[2017-01-07 21:57:05] Dynamix : abbey: Yup no problems in my volatility down there ;) why you wanna know ? :D
[2017-01-07 21:57:18] Dynamix : Gay guy
[2017-01-07 21:57:40] Dynamix : Well damn , you knew when the dongle was going to rise ..
[2017-01-07 21:58:49] Dynamix : China about to wake up
[2017-01-07 21:59:00] Dynamix : 6AM nearly ..
[2017-01-07 21:59:07] Dynamix : im betting down ... but who knows..
[2017-01-07 22:01:01] abbey : gigantic c&h, handle bottom finnished -> moon soon
[2017-01-07 22:01:55] nOgAnOo : nice
[2017-01-07 22:03:20] Dynamix : abbey: how long have u been trading for ? ..
[2017-01-07 22:05:02] abbey : Dynamix: few years
[2017-01-07 22:05:03] nOgAnOo : If I can get another 10x today... :)
[2017-01-07 22:06:10] Dynamix : well abbey knows his shit ..
[2017-01-07 22:06:14] Dynamix : going to listen to you from now haha
[2017-01-07 22:06:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 200 @ 0.011150
[2017-01-07 22:06:25] MikeHunt : last 2200-0000 hours it dumped
[2017-01-07 22:06:25] Dynamix : be my guru
[2017-01-07 22:06:52] abbey : Dynamix: no, everyone plays their own game
[2017-01-07 22:06:54] Dynamix : MikeHunt: Maybe its time again ?
[2017-01-07 22:06:54] nOgAnOo : K, closed another position, up to 55 dollars now
[2017-01-07 22:07:03] nOgAnOo : Maybe I should sleep..
[2017-01-07 22:07:06] nOgAnOo : I'm sick.
[2017-01-07 22:07:07] Dynamix : abbey: Fair , but a lot of copy cat trading there :)
[2017-01-07 22:07:20] Dynamix : nOgAnOo: from 5$ ? :)
[2017-01-07 22:07:25] nOgAnOo : from 7
[2017-01-07 22:07:32] Dynamix : damn thats awesome :D
[2017-01-07 22:07:36] nOgAnOo : Thanks/1
[2017-01-07 22:07:42] Dynamix : I've got 0.11 left
[2017-01-07 22:07:51] Dynamix : gonna trade smartly
[2017-01-07 22:07:56] MikeHunt : Dynamix: we are due for a correction to ~5.6k
[2017-01-07 22:08:01] nOgAnOo : me too.. low leverage now
[2017-01-07 22:08:05] MikeHunt : they might PnD it thou
[2017-01-07 22:08:12] Dynamix : MikeHunt: haha I hope so ...
[2017-01-07 22:08:20] Dynamix : MikeHunt: PnD ? ..
[2017-01-07 22:08:34] Dynamix : nOgAnOo: I do 25x 50x maximum. Small lvg not so much .
[2017-01-07 22:08:50] nOgAnOo : 25 is small to me
[2017-01-07 22:08:55] nOgAnOo : :)
[2017-01-07 22:09:04] nOgAnOo : I was trading 200x yen for a couple weeks
[2017-01-07 22:09:08] nOgAnOo : talk about a wild ride..
[2017-01-07 22:09:25] premium_freak : I'm at 0.57x currently
[2017-01-07 22:09:36] Dynamix : yh , well forex is not as volatile as this ...
[2017-01-07 22:09:42] nOgAnOo : Yeah the more money I make the lower leverage I'll use
[2017-01-07 22:09:49] nOgAnOo : right now I'm only making minimum wage
[2017-01-07 22:09:54] Dynamix : premium_freak: Lol but you are trading big money :)
[2017-01-07 22:09:58] MikeHunt : Dynamix: pump n dump
[2017-01-07 22:10:14] Dynamix : MikeHunt: We still need to break low levels to get there :)
[2017-01-07 22:10:23] premium_freak : Dynamix: I've never been margin called.. came close once on ok coin
[2017-01-07 22:10:51] Dynamix : 6130 CNY 6k and 5.8k ar major resistance points
[2017-01-07 22:11:03] nOgAnOo : premium freak, what trades should I make before I go to sleep?
[2017-01-07 22:11:06] nOgAnOo : that would be safe?
[2017-01-07 22:11:12] premium_freak : I was almost margin called during that spike in november 2015
[2017-01-07 22:11:24] Dynamix : premium_freak: Yeah but you bet like 2-3 btc a trade so its safer with that lvg. You can't trade 0.57x with only 1btc or 0.5 :)
[2017-01-07 22:11:29] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: personally I'm long right now but my outlook is a few weeks
[2017-01-07 22:11:51] nOgAnOo : Right, 890 feels cheap after hittin 1300
[2017-01-07 22:12:04] nOgAnOo : I called the 8888 btw
[2017-01-07 22:12:13] nOgAnOo : at 7800
[2017-01-07 22:12:21] Dynamix : I'm not going to trade between 880 and 900 no fucking point it doesnt go anywhere lo
[2017-01-07 22:12:28] premium_freak : Dynamix: yup, exactly..
[2017-01-07 22:12:40] premium_freak : it's not worth it trying to trade full time and expect to make money if you have less than say $200k
[2017-01-07 22:12:46] Dynamix : I'm going to smoke some of my tangerine dreams <3
[2017-01-07 22:12:58] premium_freak : if you have very little you're forced to trade high leverage and that's as good as gambling
[2017-01-07 22:13:00] nOgAnOo : I'm waiting for my weedman to call
[2017-01-07 22:13:11] Dynamix : premium_freak: lol shh, I have less than 200k and still want to get to 200k
[2017-01-07 22:13:24] premium_freak : Dynamix: I just trade at work :p
[2017-01-07 22:13:28] Dynamix : premium_freak: yeah well, I've got little but trying to do some business and shiz to make money work for me
[2017-01-07 22:13:32] ayy_lmao : lol
[2017-01-07 22:13:36] Dynamix : then after passive income, I invest
[2017-01-07 22:13:37] nOgAnOo : Why do you work, premium?
[2017-01-07 22:13:41] nOgAnOo : Do you love your job?
[2017-01-07 22:13:41] Dynamix : premium_freak: Wow you work ?
[2017-01-07 22:13:58] Dynamix : If i had 100k in the bank I wouldnt be working no damn way
[2017-01-07 22:13:59] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: I was hurting for a long time in 2014 and then finally decided to get a job
[2017-01-07 22:14:08] Dynamix : I'll be like clean my shoes bitch I'll give you a job haha
[2017-01-07 22:14:26] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 100 @ 6486.7
[2017-01-07 22:14:31] Dynamix : I swear you said your a millionaire ? :)
[2017-01-07 22:14:43] premium_freak : Dynamix: you can't stop working when you have a million $
[2017-01-07 22:14:44] premium_freak : it's not enough
[2017-01-07 22:14:55] premium_freak : I'm in my 30s
[2017-01-07 22:14:55] Dynamix : premium_freak: yeah but working for someone else
[2017-01-07 22:14:57] Dynamix : is not ideal ;)
[2017-01-07 22:15:02] Dynamix : Just buy 1-2 houses
[2017-01-07 22:15:03] bingbongfly : premium_freak: depends where you live mate
[2017-01-07 22:15:08] Dynamix : and live off rents and stuff bro
[2017-01-07 22:15:13] nOgAnOo : yeah that's what I do
[2017-01-07 22:15:23] Dynamix : Well you could be my uncle I guess haha :)
[2017-01-07 22:15:23] bingbongfly : premium_freak: You could survive with a million $ in venezuela for many years....
[2017-01-07 22:15:28] nOgAnOo : lot of green here guys
[2017-01-07 22:15:35] premium_freak : lol, no thanks
[2017-01-07 22:15:36] Dynamix : lol
[2017-01-07 22:15:44] Dynamix : If you dont know how to invest money then yh
[2017-01-07 22:15:45] bingbongfly : premium_freak: unless something changes ofcourse, but then you can just move to another country. always will be cheap countries
[2017-01-07 22:15:52] Dynamix : 1 M can last you 1-2 years
[2017-01-07 22:16:01] Dynamix : but when you do... then you can turn 10$ into $100 easily :)
[2017-01-07 22:16:12] nOgAnOo : When do I pull the trigger on a short here hmmmmmm
[2017-01-07 22:16:25] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: never short bitcoin
[2017-01-07 22:16:41] Dynamix : premium_freak: lol ? why ?:))
[2017-01-07 22:16:51] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: when I'm max bearish, I just get completely neutral, but I never ever short bitcoin
[2017-01-07 22:16:56] abbey : premium_freak: +1
[2017-01-07 22:17:44] Dynamix : well, it seems that way. Fuck shorting btc
[2017-01-07 22:17:52] Dynamix : this shit keeps on going up ... never my way
[2017-01-07 22:18:49] nOgAnOo : I knew a person like that
[2017-01-07 22:18:52] nOgAnOo : His name is Cloud
[2017-01-07 22:18:55] nOgAnOo : always longing
[2017-01-07 22:18:57] MikeHunt : with no support that means another big drop me thinks
[2017-01-07 22:19:04] nOgAnOo : He got rekt for millions on the BFX hack
[2017-01-07 22:19:31] nOgAnOo : Bad things happen
[2017-01-07 22:19:47] Dynamix : nOgAnOo: from the cloud to the ground hah a
[2017-01-07 22:20:01] nOgAnOo : lel
[2017-01-07 22:20:29] nOgAnOo : ok 58 dollars now
[2017-01-07 22:20:34] Dynamix : short btc ...
[2017-01-07 22:21:26] Dynamix : this looks like a cup and handle formation
[2017-01-07 22:21:38] Dynamix : on the 15 min ..
[2017-01-07 22:21:51] nOgAnOo : will you guys join my discord server?
[2017-01-07 22:21:57] nOgAnOo : http://discord.cyberfield.tech
[2017-01-07 22:22:57] jigsaw : where would you feel your money more safe with Brexit: Pound or BTC?
[2017-01-07 22:23:08] MikeHunt : i think they are aiming for 950
[2017-01-07 22:23:10] premium_freak : btc
[2017-01-07 22:23:28] jigsaw : are you in UK @premium_freak ?
[2017-01-07 22:23:33] premium_freak : jigsaw: no
[2017-01-07 22:23:56] Dynamix : jigsaw: You want to join a cup of tea with me ? :)
[2017-01-07 22:24:19] jigsaw : Dynamix: you in UK?
[2017-01-07 22:24:31] Dynamix : london
[2017-01-07 22:24:34] abbey : Dynamix: zoom out to weekly charts, there you see some helluva cup and handle formation, and handle bottom is ready, imo.
[2017-01-07 22:24:40] jigsaw : me too
[2017-01-07 22:24:55] jigsaw : is brexi that got you here?
[2017-01-07 22:25:01] Dynamix : abbey: df is a helluva cup haha , seems good though will it spike up ?
[2017-01-07 22:25:13] Dynamix : jigsaw: huh ?
[2017-01-07 22:25:38] jigsaw : I got into Bitcoins because with Brexit I don't know anymore where my money are safe
[2017-01-07 22:25:54] Dynamix : abbey: oh damn that does look like a alltime cup and handle lol
[2017-01-07 22:26:00] bingbongfly : inverse head and shoulder completed
[2017-01-07 22:26:01] bingbongfly : go long
[2017-01-07 22:26:03] abbey : it's a monster bowl, the biggest of all
[2017-01-07 22:26:06] bingbongfly : i'm long at least
[2017-01-07 22:26:09] Dynamix : jigsaw: btc is safe
[2017-01-07 22:26:09] bingbongfly : small one to start
[2017-01-07 22:26:15] premium_freak : bingbongfly: high five
[2017-01-07 22:26:19] abbey : Dynamix: yeap
[2017-01-07 22:26:28] Dynamix : abbey: lol yyupp will this take it to 10k us d ? :)
[2017-01-07 22:26:30] jigsaw : well.. they lost $200 in 4 days...
[2017-01-07 22:26:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 15000 @ 935.15
[2017-01-07 22:26:54] Dynamix : jigsaw: I lost a lot more in bitcoins and crypto overall
[2017-01-07 22:26:54] premium_freak : lol I went from 200% ROE to -6% now
[2017-01-07 22:27:00] Dynamix : I'm so dam annoyed lol
[2017-01-07 22:27:04] jigsaw : if the pound was doing so.. I would be skrewed
[2017-01-07 22:27:09] abbey : Dynamix: well sure hope so ;)
[2017-01-07 22:27:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 43461 @ 897.46
[2017-01-07 22:27:27] Dynamix : abbey: will we see 890 again ?
[2017-01-07 22:27:32] Dynamix : I wanna close my short lol hhaa
[2017-01-07 22:28:04] jigsaw : I may buy 1Bitcoin..just because you neve know
[2017-01-07 22:28:17] ayy_lmao : do you guys have any technical reasoning for shorting besides gut feeeing?
[2017-01-07 22:28:38] ayy_lmao : feeling
[2017-01-07 22:28:39] Dynamix : ayy_lmao: the gut
[2017-01-07 22:28:40] jigsaw : gut feeling is a much more rational reason than technical analysis
[2017-01-07 22:28:54] nOgAnOo : true
[2017-01-07 22:29:09] nOgAnOo : it all depends on how much knowledge you have tho too
[2017-01-07 22:29:16] premium_freak : $900 in BitFinex now..
[2017-01-07 22:29:24] premium_freak : we're about to jump a bit methinks
[2017-01-07 22:29:43] jigsaw : uh yeah.. I may make a few satoshi
[2017-01-07 22:29:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 1 @ 936.85 :punch: :whale:
[2017-01-07 22:30:00] ayy_lmao : yes inverse h&s
[2017-01-07 22:30:09] Dynamix : waiting for a dump to enter
[2017-01-07 22:30:22] premium_freak : bitstamp confirming
[2017-01-07 22:30:24] nOgAnOo : awesome
[2017-01-07 22:30:29] nOgAnOo : just practiced loss aversion
[2017-01-07 22:30:38] nOgAnOo : lost 2 dollars and prevented a loss of 5
[2017-01-07 22:30:49] jigsaw : do you read the tape a lot guys?
[2017-01-07 22:31:28] ayy_lmao : only on altcoins
[2017-01-07 22:32:13] jigsaw : I see yes, very thin there
[2017-01-07 22:32:29] ayy_lmao : yah
[2017-01-07 22:32:50] Dynamix : time to short i got a feeling
[2017-01-07 22:32:55] nOgAnOo : same
[2017-01-07 22:32:59] nOgAnOo : never long bitcoin
[2017-01-07 22:33:09] abbey : there are both, giant inverse h&s and c&h, I thought everybodys been followin them forming over the months
[2017-01-07 22:33:11] jigsaw : your feeling is simply a trend line mate
[2017-01-07 22:33:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 140 @ 901.79
[2017-01-07 22:33:25] nOgAnOo : all in short now
[2017-01-07 22:33:32] nOgAnOo : 902.9
[2017-01-07 22:33:37] cerebus : if you have a confirmed withdrawal can it be be affected by a liquidation?
[2017-01-07 22:33:42] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: get ready to lose your profits for today :x
[2017-01-07 22:33:47] nOgAnOo : LOL
[2017-01-07 22:33:51] nOgAnOo : let's bet on it
[2017-01-07 22:33:55] nOgAnOo : my bitcoin wallet against yours
[2017-01-07 22:34:01] premium_freak : lol
[2017-01-07 22:34:14] BitMEX_Sam : cerebus: No
[2017-01-07 22:35:38] Dynamix : we are getting off the 30 min ichi cloud on tradingview...
[2017-01-07 22:35:40] nOgAnOo : Ok I'm up to 60 now
[2017-01-07 22:35:41] Dynamix : hmm
[2017-01-07 22:35:47] nOgAnOo : Closed my short
[2017-01-07 22:35:48] Yazz : nOgAnOo: high roller
[2017-01-07 22:35:59] nOgAnOo : That's from 7 dollars this morning Yazz :)
[2017-01-07 22:36:31] Yazz : nOgAnOo: solid return :)
[2017-01-07 22:37:24] jigsaw : ChinaBank is off during the weekend?
[2017-01-07 22:37:34] jigsaw : might get pretty short again during the week
[2017-01-07 22:37:37] premium_freak : -54% ROE for the day - yay
[2017-01-07 22:38:00] Dynamix : premium_freak: well that sucks, get out the stash dude :)
[2017-01-07 22:38:56] premium_freak : Dynamix: I'm just selling a few more btc to get neutral here, and then I'm done
[2017-01-07 22:39:08] Yazz : premium_freak: -600% ROE for me yesterday.
[2017-01-07 22:39:13] nOgAnOo : c'mon bitcoin dump!!!!!!!!
[2017-01-07 22:39:17] nOgAnOo : (now that I'm short)
[2017-01-07 22:39:44] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: don't get short.. we're recovering
[2017-01-07 22:39:53] nOgAnOo : 63 dollars!
[2017-01-07 22:39:55] nOgAnOo : short closed
[2017-01-07 22:40:18] premium_freak : quit while you're up!
[2017-01-07 22:40:29] ayy_lmao : how are you trading this sideways
[2017-01-07 22:40:40] megaka5 : don't short until the shorts are margin called :O "rekt" hasn't posted nice liquidations yet ...
[2017-01-07 22:41:01] nOgAnOo : ayy, just trading 1-3 dollars apart generally
[2017-01-07 22:41:09] nOgAnOo : with 1000 contracts
[2017-01-07 22:41:34] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: you don't want to mess with that - that's market maker terrain
[2017-01-07 22:41:37] ayy_lmao : why not wait for the big moves now that we are getting them?
[2017-01-07 22:41:47] Dynamix : go under 900 ;(
[2017-01-07 22:42:03] ayy_lmao : i understand that scalping is your thing
[2017-01-07 22:42:09] nOgAnOo : premium_freak, I got rekt many times doing this
[2017-01-07 22:42:20] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: I'm not surprised :(
[2017-01-07 22:42:20] nOgAnOo : I know the dangers
[2017-01-07 22:42:28] Alignment : lol
[2017-01-07 22:43:06] premium_freak : is anyone here bullish on LTC?
[2017-01-07 22:43:13] nOgAnOo : What's Litecoin?
[2017-01-07 22:43:26] premium_freak : I bought some, just in case they adopt segwit
[2017-01-07 22:43:59] nOgAnOo : do you use discord freak?
[2017-01-07 22:43:59] ayy_lmao : i wonder if we get segwit pumps on altcoins
[2017-01-07 22:44:04] Dynamix : premium_freak: what is segwit i heard about that many times
[2017-01-07 22:44:07] ayy_lmao : along with coinbase adds
[2017-01-07 22:44:30] premium_freak : Dynamix: a way to do more transactions per second
[2017-01-07 22:44:54] nOgAnOo : Premium freak, honestly..... graphene/chainbase
[2017-01-07 22:45:01] nOgAnOo : the steem/bitshares blockchain
[2017-01-07 22:45:06] nOgAnOo : 3 second transfers..
[2017-01-07 22:45:12] nOgAnOo : over 100k transfers per second
[2017-01-07 22:45:18] nOgAnOo : why wait for bitcoin when the future is here???
[2017-01-07 22:45:23] nOgAnOo : Litecoin*
[2017-01-07 22:45:36] ayy_lmao : id imagine there has to be some drawbacks to that
[2017-01-07 22:45:44] nOgAnOo : I haven't experienced any yet
[2017-01-07 22:45:44] ayy_lmao : although i have no idea what that is
[2017-01-07 22:45:51] nOgAnOo : Dan Larimer used to talk to satoshi on BTCtalk
[2017-01-07 22:45:57] nOgAnOo : Satoshi hated his ideas lol
[2017-01-07 22:46:02] ayy_lmao : if there wasnt, why arent the big coins doing it
[2017-01-07 22:46:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 16300 @ 897.94
[2017-01-07 22:46:16] REKT : Choppy waters make solid seamen!
[2017-01-07 22:46:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 4285 @ 898.08
[2017-01-07 22:46:26] nOgAnOo : Just did loss aversion again
[2017-01-07 22:46:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 13 @ 897.36
[2017-01-07 22:46:36] nOgAnOo : lost 5 bucks
[2017-01-07 22:47:12] nOgAnOo : Ugh, my new tactics are awesome
[2017-01-07 22:47:24] nOgAnOo : and how I can control my emotions now
[2017-01-07 22:47:24] Dynamix : support level here..
[2017-01-07 22:47:34] nOgAnOo : That was a big candle..
[2017-01-07 22:47:43] nOgAnOo : Very likely could go lower
[2017-01-07 22:47:52] nOgAnOo : Here.
[2017-01-07 22:49:05] ysl : long or short the bugger?
[2017-01-07 22:50:57] Dynamix : regected at 905 haha :)
[2017-01-07 22:51:06] Dynamix : its not going up there..
[2017-01-07 22:51:40] Adriana : ysl: sometimes it's better to do nothing and wait. looks like right now is this kind of moment
[2017-01-07 22:52:05] nOgAnOo : I'm going long
[2017-01-07 22:52:09] nOgAnOo : low leverage
[2017-01-07 22:52:35] nOgAnOo : kinda feels like a dump is coming tho
[2017-01-07 22:52:50] nOgAnOo : but if I see a red pleasure stick I'll market close
[2017-01-07 22:53:01] MikeHunt : need shoulder before up imo
[2017-01-07 22:54:22] ysl : BitMex is so addictive
[2017-01-07 22:55:05] Dynamix : it wants to break that support he he
[2017-01-07 22:55:13] rapidtrades : anyone trading on btce lately? have they fixed the mt4 issues
[2017-01-07 22:55:30] premium_freak : the number of bots and users at the top of this window is the number currently connected to BitMex?
[2017-01-07 22:56:59] Dynamix : premium_freak: yup quiet a small amount
[2017-01-07 22:57:14] Dynamix : Bots are probs users without email address or no username in the trollbox
[2017-01-07 22:58:42] jigsaw : just 800 traders?
[2017-01-07 22:59:11] jigsaw : just for trollbox.. ok
[2017-01-07 22:59:33] sleger : no its logged in users
[2017-01-07 22:59:46] sleger : did you expect MORE traders to show up as the markets are more quiet ?
[2017-01-07 22:59:48] Dynamix : I have no grinder and the bud is so sticky :(
[2017-01-07 23:00:10] rapidtrades : sleger: well well....if it isn't Mr 50 apartments himself
[2017-01-07 23:00:31] sleger : 49, I lost 1 remember
[2017-01-07 23:00:39] premium_freak : lol
[2017-01-07 23:00:53] nOgAnOo : hi sleger
[2017-01-07 23:01:04] nOgAnOo : I'm ALMOST at 1000% this morning now
[2017-01-07 23:01:07] nOgAnOo : 66 dollars
[2017-01-07 23:01:11] Yazz : sleger: lost one.. as in misplaced?
[2017-01-07 23:01:14] jigsaw : where are you from @sleger
[2017-01-07 23:01:56] sleger : nOgAnOo: woot woot
[2017-01-07 23:02:00] sleger : jigsaw: france
[2017-01-07 23:02:18] sleger : Yazz: nah its because i said i lost 100k on the 2nd drop the other night
[2017-01-07 23:02:20] premium_freak : france or monaco? :)
[2017-01-07 23:02:23] nOgAnOo : darn it's gonna take a while for that weed to get here huh?
[2017-01-07 23:02:29] sleger : premium_freak: france, france
[2017-01-07 23:03:13] sleger : but I was confused, forgot i had a 65btc withdrawal here that was deducted from my account but not yet credited somewhere else... so only had lost 45k
[2017-01-07 23:03:34] premium_freak : not bad, I'm at over double that since the last top
[2017-01-07 23:03:47] sleger : double that loss ?
[2017-01-07 23:03:52] premium_freak : it still makes me happy that with some manual trading I was able to recover 10k
[2017-01-07 23:04:06] sleger : since 1166 im down 60k
[2017-01-07 23:04:15] premium_freak : I'm down over $100k since then
[2017-01-07 23:04:24] nOgAnOo : I'm in the same boat
[2017-01-07 23:04:24] sleger : premium_freak: i thought you were totally hedged
[2017-01-07 23:04:27] nOgAnOo : lost 230 the other day
[2017-01-07 23:04:28] sleger : just collected premium
[2017-01-07 23:04:29] nOgAnOo : just recovered 50
[2017-01-07 23:04:38] sleger : nOgAnOo: :)
[2017-01-07 23:04:48] premium_freak : sleger: unfortunately I don't have enough money on the exchanges to hedge my cold wallet
[2017-01-07 23:04:51] nOgAnOo : Time to get some WEEED
[2017-01-07 23:05:04] nOgAnOo : Weeed with 3 Es.. that's how good it is.
[2017-01-07 23:05:10] premium_freak : so what I can't hedge, I don't worry about too much..
[2017-01-07 23:05:13] sleger : premium_freak: you only need to put 20% on exchanges to be hedged and not much at risk
[2017-01-07 23:05:39] premium_freak : sleger: there are only a few decent sites that do futures
[2017-01-07 23:06:23] sleger : ok but if you have say 1000btc, send 100 to 2 exchanges and you have enough margin to hedge everything and time to send more if it goes against the hedge before margin call
[2017-01-07 23:06:35] sleger : (send 2x 100btc)
[2017-01-07 23:07:46] premium_freak : sleger: I have about 100 btc on ok coin, but I was afraid to sell more than 200 btc in futures there
[2017-01-07 23:08:02] jigsaw : how can you trust those exchanges with so much money?
[2017-01-07 23:08:05] premium_freak : with bitcoin spiking up like it did, you never know with that site
[2017-01-07 23:08:22] premium_freak : sleger: I got nearly margin called there in nov 2015
[2017-01-07 23:08:24] sleger : x3-x5 is safe
[2017-01-07 23:08:30] Dynamix : premium_freak: send me 1 coin I will make it 1000 coins ;)
[2017-01-07 23:08:33] sleger : if it spikes you have time to add more
[2017-01-07 23:08:39] Dynamix : and give you 50% :)
[2017-01-07 23:08:49] nOgAnOo : climbing!
[2017-01-07 23:09:45] premium_freak : sleger: the truth is that I was very long bitcoin, which was wrong, but I did sell quite bit of futures at ok coin near the top (when the chinese price was clearly running away and had to come back), however it's not nearly enough to cover it all
[2017-01-07 23:10:05] mors : if you have 100btc in cold storage... would that change your strategy since you're always long basically?
[2017-01-07 23:10:33] premium_freak : mors: sorry I don't know what you're asking
[2017-01-07 23:10:55] sleger : just say no
[2017-01-07 23:10:55] jigsaw : that if you never go short how do you hedge a cold storage?
[2017-01-07 23:11:12] sleger : by going short less than you have total ?
[2017-01-07 23:11:18] mors : i mean... if you have 100BTC in cold storage... and 10BTC in bitmex... how would you play it
[2017-01-07 23:11:28] sleger : sell 100btc here
[2017-01-07 23:11:30] premium_freak : at most, in the past, I would completely hedge my cold wallet with the futures sites and bitfinex
[2017-01-07 23:11:40] mors : would you still be long? or just let it go up... and then short to hedge
[2017-01-07 23:11:51] Dynamix : should I short this ?
[2017-01-07 23:12:01] Dynamix : and go to smoke a joint :D
[2017-01-07 23:12:07] mors : thanks premium freak...
[2017-01-07 23:12:24] premium_freak : yeah I normally try to get neutral when I think we're near a top by short selling futures or lending btc out on bitfinex
[2017-01-07 23:12:25] jigsaw : why don't you just convert in dollars and hedge with CME that is much safer?
[2017-01-07 23:12:39] premium_freak : clearly I didn't think 1150 was a top :)
[2017-01-07 23:12:42] jigsaw : ahm
[2017-01-07 23:12:50] rapidtrades : bitmex? why do we have to pay 80 cents per withdrawal here when regular are 10-20?
[2017-01-07 23:13:01] nOgAnOo : You like to throw your money in the garbage, premium freak? Why use finhax?
[2017-01-07 23:13:02] sleger : rapidtrades: multisig
[2017-01-07 23:13:14] rapidtrades : i thought that was 3x not 8x
[2017-01-07 23:13:15] Dynamix : Double top here big drop incoming
[2017-01-07 23:13:16] mors : do we have futures in bitmex?
[2017-01-07 23:13:17] j8 : have you noticed okcoin's withdrawal fee skimming?
[2017-01-07 23:13:30] nOgAnOo : tell us about it j8
[2017-01-07 23:13:30] rapidtrades : 80 cents as minimum fee is too much imo
[2017-01-07 23:13:35] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: it didn't seeem like a terrible idea before the hack... now I removed all my remaining coins from that site
[2017-01-07 23:13:53] ayy_lmao : every bit counts for the insurance fund rapid
[2017-01-07 23:13:54] j8 : you put in a miner's fee, to get high priority, but they send it with a lower fee anyway
[2017-01-07 23:13:56] premium_freak : mors: yes, they expire in March
[2017-01-07 23:14:56] sleger : j8: yep
[2017-01-07 23:15:21] sleger : j8: also have you noticed that they send a very low fee however you're always in the first block ?
[2017-01-07 23:15:42] j8 : and they batch your withdrawal with others, so they get a bunch of 0.0005's and pay like 0.00012.
[2017-01-07 23:16:00] sleger : but im always in the next block with them
[2017-01-07 23:16:06] rapidtrades : not cool bitmex
[2017-01-07 23:16:09] j8 : yeah is that a deal with miners you think?
[2017-01-07 23:16:15] sleger : yes
[2017-01-07 23:16:32] sleger : dont see another explanation
[2017-01-07 23:16:42] j8 : honestly i send with low fees from my own wallet and always get in first block
[2017-01-07 23:16:46] premium_freak : too lazy to write code for dynamic fees?
[2017-01-07 23:16:49] sleger : even when many transactions are pending they send low fee and always in next block
[2017-01-07 23:16:52] mors : premium_freak: ok i see it now... xbth17
[2017-01-07 23:17:11] rapidtrades : sleger: how much are they pocketing?
[2017-01-07 23:17:29] sleger : rapidtrades: "j8: and they batch your withdrawal with others, so they get a bunch of 0.0005's and pay like 0.00012."
[2017-01-07 23:17:37] rapidtrades : 70 cents per withdrawal?
[2017-01-07 23:17:47] sleger : *many together
[2017-01-07 23:18:18] rapidtrades : ok 75ish?
[2017-01-07 23:18:27] sleger : in the end i still pay 3-5x more here and not in the next block
[2017-01-07 23:18:50] sleger : and you can change the 0.0005 by default, since i noticed that few months back i changed to 0.0002 always
[2017-01-07 23:19:39] j8 : just checked my last two withdrawals from there, they weren't batched but i paid 0.0005 and 0.0002, they paid 0.00018 both times
[2017-01-07 23:19:55] BitMEX_Sam : Fees are based on real-world network conditions; we base them off a target of roughly 70 satoshis/byte to get withdrawals confirmed within 3 blocks
[2017-01-07 23:20:19] rapidtrades : ok so that's why i got 80 ccents quote few days ago
[2017-01-07 23:20:28] BitMEX_Sam : I can't speak to what OKC is doing but it does make sense that they would have a connection to miners
[2017-01-07 23:20:33] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: what's the current rate?
[2017-01-07 23:20:46] BitMEX_Sam : Right; we've found that users almost without fail put the minimum fee in, then we get endless support emails about slow transactions
[2017-01-07 23:20:57] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: 0.0008; it should fall soon
[2017-01-07 23:21:07] sleger : thats because they dont expect transactions to be that large
[2017-01-07 23:21:21] sleger : cause multisig
[2017-01-07 23:21:45] BitMEX_Sam : Right, our transactions are larger than p2pkh
[2017-01-07 23:21:46] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: that's unreasonably high imo, i just sent one with 0.00015 fee and it went in next block
[2017-01-07 23:22:14] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Again, different kind of transaction
[2017-01-07 23:22:15] rapidtrades : *not mutisig
[2017-01-07 23:22:16] Dynamix : dumpening :)
[2017-01-07 23:22:33] nOgAnOo : LOL
[2017-01-07 23:22:37] nOgAnOo : I'm at 72 dollars
[2017-01-07 23:22:44] nOgAnOo : over 1000% this morning
[2017-01-07 23:22:48] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: i remember it as 2-3x normal cost, not 6x
[2017-01-07 23:23:08] premium_freak : nOgAnOo: if only you could do that 7 days in a row
[2017-01-07 23:23:12] BitMEX_Sam : We set the rate manually based on observed market conditions; it may be true that the rate at this very moment is better
[2017-01-07 23:23:24] nOgAnOo : Yeah premium.. you wouldn't believe my business plans man
[2017-01-07 23:23:33] nOgAnOo : I have 1000 varieties of seeds
[2017-01-07 23:23:40] nOgAnOo : I'm building garden robotics
[2017-01-07 23:23:41] BitMEX_Sam : We will be putting an automated process in to recalculate the rate but given our once-a-day withdrawals it's always going to be somewhat of a guess as to how clogged the mempool will be at 13:00 UTC
[2017-01-07 23:24:09] rullwull : j8: i complained about it to support and made them to reimburse the difference for 3 months period
[2017-01-07 23:24:24] nOgAnOo : Sam what time is withdraws?
[2017-01-07 23:24:29] j8 : rullwull: did they actually?
[2017-01-07 23:24:36] BitMEX_Sam : 13:00 UTC daily @nOgAnOo
[2017-01-07 23:25:08] rullwull : yes, i got some btc back, but anyway they keep doing these things with the fee
[2017-01-07 23:25:21] BitMEX_Sam : I'm not sure I understand what the point of skimming fees would be... not only is it a tiny amount, but if you are a miner / have a close relationship with one, just collect the fee when you're mining