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[2015-11-04 19:07:51] dorothy490 : do you guys*
[2015-11-04 19:07:59] dorothy490 : having only 3 persons in this project
[2015-11-04 19:08:56] dorothy490 : cause I've jsut usbmitted a ticket and wondering how many other tickets you might possibly got; quite stressful for you perhaps :p
[2015-11-04 19:10:54] BitMEX_Sam : Ah - yes there have been a lot in this rally. It's mainly the three of us, but we have some new help incoming
[2015-11-04 19:12:04] AudibleScience : I made a mistake! Not sure what to do now...
[2015-11-04 19:12:13] Murch : Don't panic
[2015-11-04 19:12:35] Murch : Try to close your position near the price you opened
[2015-11-04 19:12:45] AudibleScience : I have a massive short
[2015-11-04 19:12:53] Murch : Oh god that was you just now?
[2015-11-04 19:13:03] AudibleScience : yeah
[2015-11-04 19:13:12] AudibleScience : It was an accident...
[2015-11-04 19:13:17] Murch : that sucks :/
[2015-11-04 19:13:23] Murch : you may have to eat the loss :(
[2015-11-04 19:13:35] AudibleScience : I was just trying to close my long into it...
[2015-11-04 19:13:41] dorothy490 : you know how does they say in p? push and pray
[2015-11-04 19:13:47] dorothy490 : in poke
[2015-11-04 19:13:55] Murch : Just buy back at 533-535 maybe
[2015-11-04 19:14:34] Yumi : Sam, how is profit on contact from just this week called in api call?
[2015-11-04 19:14:44] Murch : Or you could wait for it to come down if you think it's gonna do that
[2015-11-04 19:14:59] Yumi : rebalancedPnl ? prevRealisedPnl ?
[2015-11-04 19:15:22] j8 : taxableMargin i think @Yumi
[2015-11-04 19:17:17] BitMEX_Sam : Yumi: unrealisedPnl
[2015-11-04 19:17:20] joequant : xbt7d selling for 530
[2015-11-04 19:17:31] AudibleScience : Murch: lol I don't think it's going to do that! after this big dump we just had... do you man?
[2015-11-04 19:18:14] AudibleScience : But I can't liquidate it either as I'm so thin on the margin right now!
[2015-11-04 19:18:51] Yumi : I have 0 unrealisedPNL, position is closed
[2015-11-04 19:18:51] AudibleScience : what a nightmare!
[2015-11-04 19:19:09] ohmannomma : all time high on btce?
[2015-11-04 19:19:16] Murch : Why is Wally not on the team page?
[2015-11-04 19:19:22] habibi : Murch: so after fast corection we will hit new high same as previous days in ur opinion?
[2015-11-04 19:19:40] Murch : habibi: that looks to be what's going on right now
[2015-11-04 19:19:44] Crypto Wealth : AudibleScience: I feel your pain, I made some dumb mistakes too this week. Trying to multitask.
[2015-11-04 19:19:53] germanjew : that is normally the pattern we have been seeing
[2015-11-04 19:20:22] germanjew : I was liquidated earlier this week because of a mistake :(
[2015-11-04 19:20:23] Murch : AudibleScience: I feel like it's not gonna come down man :(
[2015-11-04 19:20:26] j8 : easy to make mistakes when you're used the price starting with a 2
[2015-11-04 19:20:35] AudibleScience : this day was all set to be fantastic too! what a bummer!
[2015-11-04 19:20:50] Murch : AudibleScience: That really sucks
[2015-11-04 19:21:03] Yumi : yea taxableMargin makes sense, thanks @j8
[2015-11-04 19:21:18] Murch : Oh here maybe
[2015-11-04 19:21:25] Murch : try to close some out, put your limit orders
[2015-11-04 19:21:36] Murch : at like 528 or something
[2015-11-04 19:21:44] j8 : looking again i think realisedPnl is just from this week also. rebalancedPnl is from previous weeks
[2015-11-04 19:22:01] AudibleScience : that's me in the corner!
[2015-11-04 19:22:08] Murch : AudibleScience: you getting filled?
[2015-11-04 19:22:19] AudibleScience : yeah a bit
[2015-11-04 19:22:25] Murch : Nice nice!
[2015-11-04 19:22:47] germanjew : lol @ Each contract is worth 0.00001 XBT per $1 price, currently 0.0052358000000000005 XBT.
[2015-11-04 19:23:45] germanjew : we will probably see a small retraction again, hope you can use that
[2015-11-04 19:23:55] habibi : another bear trap?
[2015-11-04 19:23:57] habibi : bull*
[2015-11-04 19:24:11] Murch : AudibleScience: You're probably outta there by now right?
[2015-11-04 19:24:24] AudibleScience : not yet man...
[2015-11-04 19:24:32] AudibleScience : it was so low...
[2015-11-04 19:24:49] AudibleScience : but it did get 10k off my back
[2015-11-04 19:24:53] Murch : I thought it was 527?
[2015-11-04 19:25:00] wurstgelee : thank gawd, a dump. i was out of longs ;)
[2015-11-04 19:26:17] Murch : China, you crazy, gurl
[2015-11-04 19:26:22] habibi : lel that price action
[2015-11-04 19:27:01] Murch : wurstgelee: You manage to load up again?
[2015-11-04 19:27:17] sleger : so the bot went from 15k to 12k to 10k to 8k to 5k to 3k to 2k to 1k to now 500 ?? Next is 50 or 10 ?
[2015-11-04 19:27:30] nickhnt : lol
[2015-11-04 19:27:45] wurstgelee : Murch: no, no a single contract
[2015-11-04 19:27:51] wurstgelee : dump to weak
[2015-11-04 19:27:54] wurstgelee : *too
[2015-11-04 19:27:55] Murch : wurstgelee: That's a boner kill
[2015-11-04 19:28:08] wurstgelee : well yes. but im good for today
[2015-11-04 19:28:14] habibi : btce dont know which way to go :D
[2015-11-04 19:28:22] wurstgelee : only relatively safe things if opportunity arises ;)
[2015-11-04 19:28:58] Murch : Almost back to where I was before getting liquidated earlier
[2015-11-04 19:29:00] Murch : thank the lawd
[2015-11-04 19:29:50] Yumi : this 24H vs 7D thingy makes no sense
[2015-11-04 19:30:36] dynamike23 : I summon thee bearwhale
[2015-11-04 19:30:40] dynamike23 : reveal yourself
[2015-11-04 19:30:46] j8 : it makes even less sense tomorrow when they have the same expiry but probably won't trade at the same price
[2015-11-04 19:30:58] zanza : heh
[2015-11-04 19:31:12] roymalmberg : they get settled every thursday?
[2015-11-04 19:31:26] j8 : friday at noon GMT
[2015-11-04 19:31:30] Yumi : daily every day, weekly every friday
[2015-11-04 19:31:35] roymalmberg : what day is it ,haha
[2015-11-04 19:31:44] Murch : hump day
[2015-11-04 19:31:47] Murch : wednesday
[2015-11-04 19:31:50] roymalmberg : You from china?
[2015-11-04 19:32:08] Murch : No, US
[2015-11-04 19:32:10] Murch : lol
[2015-11-04 19:32:20] Murch : Isn't it almost Thursday in China?
[2015-11-04 19:32:28] roymalmberg : I think so
[2015-11-04 19:32:40] Yumi : Fair price of daily is $30 higher than of weekly
[2015-11-04 19:33:06] roymalmberg : sounds fair
[2015-11-04 19:33:17] Murch : only because nobody is trading on weekly
[2015-11-04 19:33:20] Murch : but they might tomorrow
[2015-11-04 19:33:28] j8 : weekly isn't using the new adjustment thing
[2015-11-04 19:33:37] j8 : and it's been marked quite low all day
[2015-11-04 19:33:42] Yumi : yea I noticed
[2015-11-04 19:33:46] Murch : Yeah that too
[2015-11-04 19:34:00] Murch : This price is based on the orders here on bitmex too for 24h
[2015-11-04 19:34:01] Yumi : its just weird
[2015-11-04 19:34:20] j8 : it's an easy arb except for risk of DPE
[2015-11-04 19:34:39] Murch : you need to do cross to do arb I feel like
[2015-11-04 19:34:42] Murch : it would just be easier
[2015-11-04 19:34:54] Murch : Oh you said DPE
[2015-11-04 19:34:59] j8 : it still doesn't work that well. i did a lot of it on this run up
[2015-11-04 19:35:03] Murch : yeah true, but it hasn't been very high here historically
[2015-11-04 19:35:19] j8 : i had big losses and bigger gains, but now the gains might have DPE
[2015-11-04 19:35:29] Yumi : same here @j8
[2015-11-04 19:35:35] Murch : Oh shit I see the problem
[2015-11-04 19:35:48] j8 : so 2% adjustment of net profits isn't bad
[2015-11-04 19:35:58] j8 : but it's almost 2% of my whole balance
[2015-11-04 19:36:02] Murch : Yeah not too bad
[2015-11-04 19:36:12] j8 : cause it's not net
[2015-11-04 19:36:30] Murch : You arbed your entire balance?
[2015-11-04 19:36:39] j8 : almost, over the course of the week
[2015-11-04 19:36:54] Yumi : one position keeps increasing profits and other one losses
[2015-11-04 19:37:11] j8 : wasn't planning for such a drastic move
[2015-11-04 19:37:34] j8 : now it seems like it was a really risky play.
[2015-11-04 19:37:39] Murch : can you lower the position sizes at all?
[2015-11-04 19:38:03] j8 : i'm out of the position now, but have massive withheld profit on `XBTZ15`
[2015-11-04 19:38:07] Murch : You're short XBTZ correct?
[2015-11-04 19:38:18] j8 : was long `XBTZ15` from 300
[2015-11-04 19:38:24] Murch : ohhh
[2015-11-04 19:38:41] j8 : shorted the daily every day
[2015-11-04 19:38:43] Murch : Well there is a premium but you could wait for it to get higher
[2015-11-04 19:39:27] Yumi : he could go 100x long all balance if he knew future
[2015-11-04 19:39:43] Murch : Yumi: good to know lol
[2015-11-04 19:39:55] Murch : I still wouldn't do it even if I knew :P
[2015-11-04 19:39:58] Murch : I'd use a bit less hahaha
[2015-11-04 19:40:13] macios15 : im actually buying car tomorow, thanks to you guys
[2015-11-04 19:40:31] Murch : macios15: congrats!
[2015-11-04 19:40:49] Murch : Did your investment appreciate?
[2015-11-04 19:41:34] macios15 : Murch: hell jea, i was dancing today with dolar glued to my forehead
[2015-11-04 19:41:46] Murch : Sounds like a good time :D
[2015-11-04 19:41:59] nickhnt : macios15: congratz man
[2015-11-04 19:42:13] zanza : graz macios
[2015-11-04 19:42:25] AudibleScience : macios15: that's awesome man!
[2015-11-04 19:42:41] sleger : what car though ?
[2015-11-04 19:44:13] Murch : Resistance is still getting in the way
[2015-11-04 19:44:21] Murch : Might have to exit the building
[2015-11-04 19:44:27] macios15 : good old classic, sierra rs cosworth 4x4 in perfect condition, gona keep it in my garage
[2015-11-04 19:45:25] macios15 : and sell with profit like btc :D
[2015-11-04 19:46:00] justinlooking : try not to blow the engine up on the first day macios!
[2015-11-04 19:46:01] Murch : You're gonna resell the car?
[2015-11-04 19:46:25] macios15 : keep it for profit for some time
[2015-11-04 19:46:36] Murch : Ah okay okay
[2015-11-04 19:54:04] AudibleScience : ah... not sure I managed that too well but I'm back out and with I think the real loss almost made back up in withheld.
[2015-11-04 19:54:35] AudibleScience : think was*
[2015-11-04 19:58:43] AudibleScience : I'm going to have a small break in this lul
[2015-11-04 19:58:45] nickhnt : someone bought at 470 he is the real playa
[2015-11-04 19:59:51] AudibleScience : nickhnt: bought what at 470?
[2015-11-04 20:00:13] nickhnt : AudibleScience: more than 20k contracts
[2015-11-04 20:02:43] Yumi : exact bottom
[2015-11-04 20:04:25] nickhnt : yeah lucky guy xD
[2015-11-04 20:04:38] Murch : Yeah I wonder if someone got liquidated all over him?
[2015-11-04 20:05:36] wurstgelee : daddy needs a dip, come on buttcoin
[2015-11-04 20:05:43] wurstgelee : :)
[2015-11-04 20:06:55] Yumi : this new fair price jumps a lot
[2015-11-04 20:07:14] Murch : Big money no whammies
[2015-11-04 20:07:32] Murch : Yeah it's getting kinda choppy
[2015-11-04 20:11:23] Murch : It's going sideways and slanted sorta down
[2015-11-04 20:11:28] Murch : I think I might get out maybe
[2015-11-04 20:11:56] nickhnt : remember that after every consolidation the price shoot up
[2015-11-04 20:12:03] Murch : That's true though
[2015-11-04 20:12:22] nickhnt : idk maybe today its gonna be different
[2015-11-04 20:12:33] nickhnt : be cautious
[2015-11-04 20:12:49] j8 : consolidation on the longer timeframe wouldn't be surprising
[2015-11-04 20:13:04] Murch : Actually it really does look like a consolidation before the next jump up.
[2015-11-04 20:13:13] zanza : this premium for daily
[2015-11-04 20:13:13] j8 : 440
[2015-11-04 20:14:32] j8 : make over 0.5 btc for every 1000 contracts you cash and carry
[2015-11-04 20:15:14] sleger : dont put bad ideas in other people s head ;)
[2015-11-04 20:18:50] zanza : i couldn't resist this premium on the 24, had to open a short
[2015-11-04 20:20:05] BitMEX_Sam : Z15 DPE is decreasing
[2015-11-04 20:20:25] habibi : zanza the more time u spent today here the more u see that this premium is no reason to short ;p
[2015-11-04 20:20:26] kogroken : XBTH16 DPE is already at 0
[2015-11-04 20:20:46] Yumi : thing is are liquidation closing or price falling
[2015-11-04 20:20:59] nickhnt : up?
[2015-11-04 20:21:13] zanza : kogroken are you sure?
[2015-11-04 20:21:29] kogroken : on H16 a significant number of contracts were sold into a large (presumably liquidation) wall, so looks like both happened.
[2015-11-04 20:22:32] kogroken : zanza: I'm not sure, but it did at least look like that
[2015-11-04 20:22:32] jung1 : what if this gouy pump Bitoin like that china one pump ltc couple months ago? http://uk.businessinsider.com/this-convicted-ponzi-schemer-may-be-responsible-for-bitcoins-massive-price-spike-2015-11?r=US&IR=T
[2015-11-04 20:23:16] zanza : good for bitcoin, jung1
[2015-11-04 20:24:21] jung1 : yeah but this ltc guy also tripled pricy by cloud minning ponzi
[2015-11-04 20:27:48] zanza : any price action makes "trading" interesting
[2015-11-04 20:27:59] zanza : if this price runup is really from a ponzi, what comes up, must come down right?
[2015-11-04 20:29:25] BitMEX_Sam : seems to be the pattern in bitcoin
[2015-11-04 20:37:49] habibi : its api lagging or one bot cancel all orders when orderbook shows lack of orders sometimes
[2015-11-04 20:41:40] BitMEX_Sam : it's one bot doing a mass cancel
[2015-11-04 20:46:32] jung1 : nice buy walls on okcoin
[2015-11-04 20:47:24] habibi : cny market?
[2015-11-04 20:47:35] jung1 : yep
[2015-11-04 20:52:10] zanza : does anyone find it odd, the hash rate is the same as it was in September?
[2015-11-04 20:52:22] zanza : even with the doubling of price? what can we conclude from this?
[2015-11-04 20:54:09] jung1 : speculation on exchanges only
[2015-11-04 20:54:32] j8 : takes time to come online i guess
[2015-11-04 20:54:35] lazerdye : Not enough time for miners to spin up more hardware.
[2015-11-04 20:55:05] lazerdye : Also they have to be convinced this will last, and it won't crash after they buy the hardware.
[2015-11-04 20:55:15] habibi : hashrate calculates on diff, lets see how it will change in 6 days
[2015-11-04 20:55:20] j8 : yes, buying miners is long term speculation
[2015-11-04 20:56:14] jung1 : I think that curren bitcoin price would be sille after halvin
[2015-11-04 20:56:25] lazerdye : sille?
[2015-11-04 20:56:25] jung1 : It will skyrocket
[2015-11-04 20:56:31] jung1 : silly
[2015-11-04 20:56:34] jung1 : funny
[2015-11-04 20:56:46] lazerdye : Hmm.. I'm not sure, I think it will be sillier before the halving.
[2015-11-04 20:56:59] lazerdye : After.. not sure, might dump.
[2015-11-04 20:57:29] jung1 : but ecoisystem still grow. After that will be like 6.25btc every 10 minutes
[2015-11-04 20:57:41] jung1 : could be not enough
[2015-11-04 20:57:44] jung1 : I hope so
[2015-11-04 20:58:52] lazerdye : Bitcoin has a way of surprising us, the halving's a pretty expected thing.
[2015-11-04 21:00:41] lazerdye : Okay China, enough with this sideways thing...
[2015-11-04 21:00:45] zanza : so miners have been "maxxed out" for a few months now
[2015-11-04 21:00:58] zanza : its not like they have machines unplugged on the sidelines
[2015-11-04 21:01:17] zanza : so bitcoin was profitable to mine at 230
[2015-11-04 21:01:29] jung1 : http://i2.wp.com/lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hpmmNTuE-zw/U3kyVguRhjI/AAAAAAAADUk/FC6unoQ0c24/w800-h800/BvtHDcj.gif
[2015-11-04 21:01:52] zanza : something wrong with that gif jung1 :)
[2015-11-04 21:02:00] zanza : hes not vomiting
[2015-11-04 21:02:38] jung1 : http://i1.wp.com/i.imgur.com/osEroUI.gif
[2015-11-04 21:04:37] Murch : It's like Dr. Doom's fear fall
[2015-11-04 21:04:44] jung1 : told you
[2015-11-04 21:04:50] Murch : pulls you up in the air then drops you and bounces you up and down a couple times
[2015-11-04 21:05:19] habibi : well that escalated quicly
[2015-11-04 21:06:20] jung1 : damn I have to put this gif more often here
[2015-11-04 21:07:32] Murch : 17 down ain't fun, bounce please.
[2015-11-04 21:08:34] AudibleScience : Murch: are you long man?
[2015-11-04 21:08:39] Murch : AudibleScience: yeah
[2015-11-04 21:08:42] Murch : 11 down now
[2015-11-04 21:08:43] justinlooking : $40 premium spot very intriguing, it moved to 50 as i type this
[2015-11-04 21:08:50] Murch : Need this to bounce moar
[2015-11-04 21:09:24] AudibleScience : is that 11 coins down today?
[2015-11-04 21:10:46] Murch : No no no, dollars on this position
[2015-11-04 21:10:57] Murch : jesus 11 bitcoin down would be a lot
[2015-11-04 21:11:34] jung1 : ok once again https://i.imgur.com/osEroUI.gif
[2015-11-04 21:11:54] AudibleScience : oh good man!
[2015-11-04 21:12:02] Murch : Please god no
[2015-11-04 21:12:08] zanza : lol
[2015-11-04 21:12:15] AudibleScience : I think we're recovering a bit
[2015-11-04 21:12:50] Murch : Panic sold a third of my position
[2015-11-04 21:12:54] Murch : So I guess I'll be fine now
[2015-11-04 21:13:42] AudibleScience : what is with okcoin's orderbook today?!
[2015-11-04 21:13:54] wurstgelee : Murch: same
[2015-11-04 21:14:00] wurstgelee : fears of having bought too much :D
[2015-11-04 21:14:17] Murch : wurstgelee: Now we can load up lower I guess?
[2015-11-04 21:14:55] wurstgelee : maybe
[2015-11-04 21:14:57] wurstgelee : :D
[2015-11-04 21:15:06] zanza : back up the truck boys
[2015-11-04 21:15:08] zanza : cheap coinz
[2015-11-04 21:15:45] wurstgelee : sold almost all now tbh
[2015-11-04 21:15:57] wurstgelee : this looks untrustworthy to me
[2015-11-04 21:16:20] wurstgelee : k, out
[2015-11-04 21:16:23] stf28 : we are building a support :)
[2015-11-04 21:16:41] Murch : I sold off some more :(
[2015-11-04 21:17:00] Murch : It was necessary though
[2015-11-04 21:17:36] wurstgelee : Murch: im out
[2015-11-04 21:17:45] stf28 : support is building between 425 and 450
[2015-11-04 21:17:56] wurstgelee : everything pointing down short term
[2015-11-04 21:17:58] Murch : wurstgelee: Damn I'm going to try to rebuild a position
[2015-11-04 21:18:04] wurstgelee : nowhere i want to be stuck in @ 100x
[2015-11-04 21:18:05] wurstgelee : :)
[2015-11-04 21:18:14] Murch : I can respect that
[2015-11-04 21:18:18] wurstgelee : made .5 on the small rebound tho
[2015-11-04 21:18:23] wurstgelee : so i am fine
[2015-11-04 21:18:23] wurstgelee : =)
[2015-11-04 21:18:25] Murch : That's awesome
[2015-11-04 21:18:29] wurstgelee : 10k
[2015-11-04 21:18:40] wurstgelee : 499 -> 506 some
[2015-11-04 21:18:40] Murch : 200 bucks just like dat
[2015-11-04 21:18:44] wurstgelee : exactly
[2015-11-04 21:18:45] wurstgelee : =)
[2015-11-04 21:19:00] stf28 : the hardest part is to keep it :p
[2015-11-04 21:19:13] Murch : stf28: +1
[2015-11-04 21:19:19] wurstgelee : im doing really good last 3 days, i have to fuck up soon
[2015-11-04 21:19:22] jung1 : +11111
[2015-11-04 21:19:53] Murch : wurstgelee: Today is the day that I've been fucking up
[2015-11-04 21:20:05] lazerdye : I'm doing good too, but I keep feeling like I've done this before, right before getting rekt...
[2015-11-04 21:20:05] zanza : china finally dumping
[2015-11-04 21:20:05] stf28 : this week i went from 0,5 to 4.4 to 0.1 to 2 to 0.5 to 0.1 to 2 and now i have 4.2 that i swear i won't put here into this volatility
[2015-11-04 21:20:08] jung1 : best option is to play by 15-20% of all capital and go all in when everything is clear
[2015-11-04 21:20:28] wurstgelee : Murch: good i went out ;)
[2015-11-04 21:20:29] Murch : stf28: damn that's mfing rollercoaster right there
[2015-11-04 21:21:21] Murch : wurstgelee: Yeah I probably shouldn't be pushing my luck but
[2015-11-04 21:21:21] stf28 : yes ! i underestimated the importance of not going ALL IN everytime ^^
[2015-11-04 21:21:31] Murch : wurstgelee: I'm buying back in lots of 100 contracts
[2015-11-04 21:21:47] Murch : stf28: true dat. You have to learn that quickly
[2015-11-04 21:22:02] wurstgelee : Murch: back in :D
[2015-11-04 21:22:08] Murch : wurstgelee: gj
[2015-11-04 21:22:17] SnackyCoins : 20% of your account max imo
[2015-11-04 21:22:32] Murch : great timing to get back in haha
[2015-11-04 21:23:16] wurstgelee : too much agaon tho sold 1/3rd
[2015-11-04 21:23:20] wurstgelee : again
[2015-11-04 21:24:11] ayy lmao : be nice if i could see a graph of my account balance over ti
[2015-11-04 21:24:16] ayy lmao : time*
[2015-11-04 21:24:25] wurstgelee : yes, i would love that too
[2015-11-04 21:24:33] wurstgelee : also some thats like turnover etc
[2015-11-04 21:24:37] wurstgelee : *stats not thats
[2015-11-04 21:24:44] stf28 : ayy lmao: nice idea !!
[2015-11-04 21:24:49] ayy lmao : yah
[2015-11-04 21:25:04] stf28 : bounce was weak
[2015-11-04 21:25:15] Murch : ayy lmao: +1
[2015-11-04 21:25:16] wurstgelee : yep
[2015-11-04 21:25:44] wurstgelee : watching what china does
[2015-11-04 21:26:17] wurstgelee : nope, out
[2015-11-04 21:26:18] wurstgelee : i dont like
[2015-11-04 21:26:46] wurstgelee : this is still downwards imo
[2015-11-04 21:27:21] dynamike23 : dump dump dump
[2015-11-04 21:27:37] stf28 : wurstgelee: do you think of a retest of the 3000 cny level ?
[2015-11-04 21:27:51] Murch : Mmm this looks a little sketchy
[2015-11-04 21:28:15] wurstgelee : stf28: no clue. i dont do ta. i look at charts, ema and macd
[2015-11-04 21:28:20] wurstgelee : then decide what to do
[2015-11-04 21:28:25] wurstgelee : no rulesets besides my gutt
[2015-11-04 21:28:26] wurstgelee : =)
[2015-11-04 21:28:30] wurstgelee : *gut
[2015-11-04 21:28:51] j8 : wait to see what china does in the next couple hours. its only 5:30 am there
[2015-11-04 21:28:52] wurstgelee : sometimes listen to my left ball.
[2015-11-04 21:28:59] wurstgelee : j8: +1
[2015-11-04 21:29:00] stf28 : wurstgelee: it's a good rule, i use mine as a contra indicator ^^
[2015-11-04 21:29:06] wurstgelee : hehe =)
[2015-11-04 21:29:35] dynamike23 : occasion leading the charge down again?
[2015-11-04 21:29:36] Murch : I don't think we'll retest 3000
[2015-11-04 21:29:43] dynamike23 : okcasino
[2015-11-04 21:29:45] Murch : maybe 3100 though
[2015-11-04 21:29:48] wurstgelee : we do need a strong move up tho
[2015-11-04 21:29:52] wurstgelee : this night
[2015-11-04 21:30:08] wurstgelee : (=next 21 h)
[2015-11-04 21:30:10] wurstgelee : erm 12
[2015-11-04 21:30:13] j8 : tomorrow is what counts.
[2015-11-04 21:30:20] AudibleScience : Murch: what did you get your long in at?
[2015-11-04 21:30:36] Murch : AudibleScience: I've worked my entry to 497.7
[2015-11-04 21:30:42] Murch : So it's not the best right now
[2015-11-04 21:30:47] zanza : tomorrow is auction
[2015-11-04 21:30:59] AudibleScience : savage man...
[2015-11-04 21:31:10] Murch : I think I'll make it
[2015-11-04 21:31:46] AudibleScience : I got in a bit earlier than you did but still not too proud of it if you know what I mean! lol
[2015-11-04 21:31:56] Murch : hahah
[2015-11-04 21:32:18] AudibleScience : I'm at 492.92
[2015-11-04 21:32:24] wurstgelee : why do you guys hold losing positions? just curius.... i use isolated+fixed marget - if its gone, its gone
[2015-11-04 21:32:31] wurstgelee : works better for me
[2015-11-04 21:32:40] wurstgelee : *curious
[2015-11-04 21:32:43] Murch : I think that there's a lot of demand so even if the price drops people will be coming in to buy. So as long as I can make an alright exit I'll be good.
[2015-11-04 21:33:13] SnackyCoins : wurstgelee: so lets say i was long Z15 from 230 and i never wanted to give that up ever, but i also thought this was a top for now
[2015-11-04 21:33:14] Murch : Because with fixed margin your maintenance is half of the position size.
[2015-11-04 21:33:20] AudibleScience : how do you do that thing with a symbol?
[2015-11-04 21:33:34] SnackyCoins : i could use cross margin and go short weeklys
[2015-11-04 21:33:47] wurstgelee : Murch: yes, but its still cheaper if it moves down ~10$+
[2015-11-04 21:33:48] jung1 : 'if you love it, let it go"
[2015-11-04 21:33:52] SnackyCoins : that will lock in profits on Z15 until expiry on 7D
[2015-11-04 21:33:53] wurstgelee : jung1: yes _:D
[2015-11-04 21:34:17] Murch : wurstgelee: True it's just that I never managed to keep positions open that way. It's riskier on cross but it's more manageable for me.
[2015-11-04 21:34:52] Murch : And it doesn't let you build positions.
[2015-11-04 21:34:59] Murch : Well you can but not as easily
[2015-11-04 21:35:00] wurstgelee : well, whatever works for you ;)
[2015-11-04 21:35:14] wurstgelee : got in again btw
[2015-11-04 21:35:14] Murch : Yep different strokes for different folks
[2015-11-04 21:35:39] wurstgelee : yes ;)
[2015-11-04 21:36:29] AudibleScience : wurstgelee: are you short?
[2015-11-04 21:36:46] wurstgelee : no
[2015-11-04 21:37:13] wurstgelee : i shorted 3 or 4 times the last days, fucked up every time
[2015-11-04 21:37:18] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-11-04 21:37:41] wurstgelee : well..tihe time to go long wasnt ggood either now
[2015-11-04 21:38:20] jung1 : same
[2015-11-04 21:38:23] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-11-04 21:38:49] wurstgelee : yep...
[2015-11-04 21:39:00] Murch : yeah it really wasn't :/
[2015-11-04 21:39:08] wurstgelee : yes, already gone
[2015-11-04 21:39:11] wurstgelee : :)
[2015-11-04 21:39:52] wurstgelee : that mark price is ridiculous currently btw
[2015-11-04 21:40:10] wurstgelee : finex+$40 doesnt seem right
[2015-11-04 21:40:28] wurstgelee : Murch: u still keeping your long?
[2015-11-04 21:40:40] Murch : MM yeah still in it
[2015-11-04 21:40:45] wurstgelee : ouch
[2015-11-04 21:40:55] Murch : I've closed a little bit but I'm really negative right now
[2015-11-04 21:41:02] wurstgelee : -500%?
[2015-11-04 21:41:23] Murch : -81 lol
[2015-11-04 21:41:46] wurstgelee : hehe
[2015-11-04 21:41:57] wurstgelee : ah cross...
[2015-11-04 21:42:06] SnackyCoins : http://i.imgur.com/nIIerlP.jpg
[2015-11-04 21:42:14] jung1 : 3000 today?
[2015-11-04 21:42:20] wurstgelee : lol, maybe
[2015-11-04 21:42:30] wurstgelee : i dont go long again until i see clear signs now
[2015-11-04 21:42:48] wurstgelee : tried 3 times when i wasnt really sure, jumped out 2 times, got margin called once
[2015-11-04 21:43:12] wurstgelee : well, 2 knife catches made some profit, so overall .4 down in the last 3 hours
[2015-11-04 21:43:14] wurstgelee : sitting out now
[2015-11-04 21:43:41] jung1 : Im short since 79
[2015-11-04 21:43:45] jung1 : lets wait for 3000
[2015-11-04 21:43:54] wurstgelee : hehe
[2015-11-04 21:44:36] jung1 : two times I post it here and two time price fall over $20 https://i.imgur.com/osEroUI.gif
[2015-11-04 21:45:09] wurstgelee : less than 1k btc to 448 @finex
[2015-11-04 21:45:18] Murch : -30 dollars from entry I really fucked up lol
[2015-11-04 21:45:41] wurstgelee : :/
[2015-11-04 21:45:55] BitMEX_Sam : no calling this market
[2015-11-04 21:46:07] SnackyCoins : the only calling being done is margin
[2015-11-04 21:46:09] Yumi : MM bot was buying all the way down with 8% premium :/
[2015-11-04 21:46:11] jung1 : haha
[2015-11-04 21:46:12] jung1 : damn
[2015-11-04 21:46:19] jung1 : I have to use this pic more often
[2015-11-04 21:46:21] wurstgelee : 3100....
[2015-11-04 21:46:59] SnackyCoins : guess i sold the top ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[2015-11-04 21:47:11] wurstgelee : >50$ bewteen finex and china now
[2015-11-04 21:47:49] abc123 : what chart or info source do you guys use to watch WTF China is doing ?
[2015-11-04 21:47:54] wurstgelee : 3000
[2015-11-04 21:48:07] wurstgelee : abc123: i use bitcoinwisdom
[2015-11-04 21:48:08] jung1 : abc123: https://www.ok coin.com/future/market.do?symbol=0
[2015-11-04 21:48:11] SnackyCoins : https://old.whaleclub.co/charts/240/okcoin,huobi,bitfinex,btce
[2015-11-04 21:48:29] jung1 : put space in ok coin
[2015-11-04 21:48:33] wurstgelee : 3000 should hold now
[2015-11-04 21:48:35] wurstgelee : please
[2015-11-04 21:48:38] wurstgelee : =)
[2015-11-04 21:48:40] abc123 : thx
[2015-11-04 21:48:50] wurstgelee : nope
[2015-11-04 21:49:00] Murch : gg
[2015-11-04 21:49:05] macios15 : 2950 supp
[2015-11-04 21:49:16] macios15 : not 3k its not over guys 3300 by tomorow
[2015-11-04 21:49:23] wurstgelee : punching right through
[2015-11-04 21:49:40] wurstgelee : supp gone
[2015-11-04 21:49:53] wurstgelee : omfg
[2015-11-04 21:50:04] SnackyCoins : welcome to bitcoin
[2015-11-04 21:50:07] SnackyCoins : it is always like this
[2015-11-04 21:50:12] kasman5 : big sells
[2015-11-04 21:50:12] BitMEX_Sam : good lord
[2015-11-04 21:50:14] jung1 : another 500% profit
[2015-11-04 21:50:22] wurstgelee : jung1: fu :D
[2015-11-04 21:50:22] SnackyCoins : yeah i am up 830%
[2015-11-04 21:52:31] wurstgelee : lets see where this rebounds goes
[2015-11-04 21:52:50] wurstgelee : fuck
[2015-11-04 21:52:52] wurstgelee : 3160
[2015-11-04 21:52:55] wurstgelee : did it just teleport?
[2015-11-04 21:52:59] wurstgelee : lol
[2015-11-04 21:53:23] jung1 : I dont touch longs now
[2015-11-04 21:53:28] SnackyCoins : books are empty
[2015-11-04 21:53:33] SnackyCoins : okcn longs > shorts
[2015-11-04 21:53:48] wurstgelee : finex is 60$ below china wtf
[2015-11-04 21:54:00] wurstgelee : up we go
[2015-11-04 21:54:37] j8 : finex matching engine is 36 secs behind apparently
[2015-11-04 21:55:17] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah heard that too, apparently 90s on the API
[2015-11-04 21:55:52] stf28 : ah the good old times
[2015-11-04 21:55:56] wurstgelee : wtf is happening oO
[2015-11-04 21:56:05] wurstgelee : nothing =)
[2015-11-04 21:56:22] jung1 : https://i.imgur.com/osEroUI.gif another?
[2015-11-04 21:56:26] lockhedge : and TradeBlock says, Bitfinex is "operating normally" https://tradeblock.com/markets/
[2015-11-04 21:57:06] gustavo7 : 3000 has fallen
[2015-11-04 21:57:09] gustavo7 : to the core
[2015-11-04 21:57:58] Yumi : premium on okc futures is 1% here its still 6-7%, its crazy
[2015-11-04 21:58:00] j8 : yeah i guess they'd need to be placing trades to measure that
[2015-11-04 21:58:24] kilrari : Sorry to the guy catching knives
[2015-11-04 21:58:58] BitMEX_Sam : yeah but you can still see execution timestamp delays
[2015-11-04 21:59:07] BitMEX_Sam : the 36s is if you're listening to the websocket, executions are coming out of it 36s late
[2015-11-04 21:59:22] j8 : oh i see
[2015-11-04 21:59:30] BitMEX_Sam : I'm watching live weightings, doesn't appear they're deweighting bfx though
[2015-11-04 21:59:39] Liivet : F**k me I should have kept my short
[2015-11-04 21:59:47] BitMEX_Sam : it's about 60/30/10 bfx/stamp/okc
[2015-11-04 21:59:54] Murch : Is the country stuck to what you originally set it?
[2015-11-04 22:00:08] BitMEX_Sam : Murch: Yes, if you believe the setting is wrong, email support
[2015-11-04 22:00:15] Murch : Alrighty thanks
[2015-11-04 22:01:00] Murch : Welp I can't do any more trades until the settlement on Friday T_T
[2015-11-04 22:01:06] Murch : So I'll cya guys then
[2015-11-04 22:01:18] kilrari : Peace
[2015-11-04 22:01:51] gustavo7 : three big dips, two lower recoveries, who thinks this is not a downtrend?
[2015-11-04 22:02:17] macios15 : gustavo7: mee, if 1d candle is not red its uptrend
[2015-11-04 22:02:27] jung1 : 445->470 in 5 min
[2015-11-04 22:02:42] kilrari : I'm staying out of this except for a small short on daily
[2015-11-04 22:02:44] jung1 : love it
[2015-11-04 22:03:04] wurstgelee : jung1: hope so :)
[2015-11-04 22:03:08] j8 : `.BVOL24H` 15.60
[2015-11-04 22:03:23] j8 : massive
[2015-11-04 22:03:55] kilrari : Position sizing is the most critical thing during these times I've learned because whatever you position you take, it will most likely reach it as long as you don't get liquidated before that happens
[2015-11-04 22:04:45] stf28 : sellers exhausted yahoo
[2015-11-04 22:05:03] j8 : yup, gotta save lots of margin for when things get real
[2015-11-04 22:05:06] jung1 : why mi lipit price not fill automaticly everytime?
[2015-11-04 22:05:07] j8 : or you miss opportunities
[2015-11-04 22:05:56] lockhedge : our experimental market making bot is still alive, never pulled out of the market or reduced order sizes since more than 1 month :)
[2015-11-04 22:06:18] jung1 : whats the results? profit or loose?
[2015-11-04 22:06:20] BitMEX_Sam : nice work
[2015-11-04 22:07:23] stf28 : lockhedge: that's yours? is he ok ?
[2015-11-04 22:09:02] sleger : so its not the big MM one then ?
[2015-11-04 22:09:28] lockhedge : current realised return: 25.63% and unrealised: 62.35% in 35 days, very bumpy road today.
[2015-11-04 22:09:40] habibi : can someone call china and ask them where we going now?
[2015-11-04 22:09:47] sleger : oh ok then it's not a MM bot
[2015-11-04 22:09:52] lockhedge : no, it's a very small mm bot, just for testing
[2015-11-04 22:10:06] loke : BitMEX_Sam: Would it be possible to have the option of having bids and asks show up on the graphs as lines of green and red?
[2015-11-04 22:10:17] sleger : lockhedge: good work, increase sizes now ;)
[2015-11-04 22:10:37] BitMEX_Sam : as in, your orders? or the whole book @loke
[2015-11-04 22:10:37] joequant : people in china are just waking up expect prices to go up
[2015-11-04 22:10:54] AudibleScience : does anyone think we going to see an epic recovery?
[2015-11-04 22:10:55] loke : BitMEX_Sam: Just mine.
[2015-11-04 22:11:13] BitMEX_Sam : loke: Yeah that's possible, was working on that a few weeks ago but shelved it for some other work
[2015-11-04 22:11:32] lockhedge : sleger: i'll never go directional, it's a non predictive market maker ;)
[2015-11-04 22:11:50] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : AudibleScience: I sure hope so, but OKCoin seem pretty intent on causing pain to longs
[2015-11-04 22:11:56] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : *seems
[2015-11-04 22:12:12] loke : @BitMEX_Sam Nice! I know that I would find it very useful myself and would appreciate having them.
[2015-11-04 22:12:43] AudibleScience : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: yeah I'm still feeling the pain big time!
[2015-11-04 22:13:39] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : AudibleScience: Me too. I have hope though, because if this is a real bubble it's far from over
[2015-11-04 22:15:34] stf28 : hope is bitcoin's fuel
[2015-11-04 22:15:50] AudibleScience : I was really hoping that it's not a bubble this time... although I was not in coins back then. @IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb
[2015-11-04 22:15:53] kilrari : After the action these past weeks, we will likely see a few weeks of selling and consolidation imho
[2015-11-04 22:16:20] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : AudibleScience: Why were you hoping not to have a bubble?
[2015-11-04 22:16:39] wurstgelee : were only back to yesterdays level tho..
[2015-11-04 22:16:39] stf28 : "healthy growth"
[2015-11-04 22:16:41] wurstgelee : no big deal
[2015-11-04 22:17:15] AudibleScience : stf28: WARNING hope can cause a h hopium high! lol
[2015-11-04 22:17:17] stf28 : yes it didn't pop, look at mtgox rally, even with a willy sometimes you need to touch trend/MA line to follow
[2015-11-04 22:17:37] stf28 : AudibleScience: x)
[2015-11-04 22:18:09] AudibleScience : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: that'sa not what I meant man... I just hope that it stays high this time around...