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[2017-01-06 15:08:44] BitMEX_Greg : rowrow: Your liquidation price is based off your position and is marked against Mark price. The Mark price is based off the Index price +/- some basis (futures) or interest/premium component (swap)
[2017-01-06 15:09:41] BitMEX_Greg : rowrow: Any positive unrealised PNL is added to the margin of the position, and hence affects your liquidation price. So if you are long and make money then you liquidation price drops, as effectively you have more margin in the position and lower leverage
[2017-01-06 15:09:46] rapidtrades : SPAM
[2017-01-06 15:10:37] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Greg: what if ur short?
[2017-01-06 15:12:31] BitMEX_Greg : rapidtrades: Same thing, if you make money on the position then it is added to your margin, effectively lowering the leverage on the position and *increasing* your liquidation price on the short
[2017-01-06 15:14:56] rowrow : huh... this page eats a lot more processing power when zoomed in, strange
[2017-01-06 15:15:30] Yazz : BitMEX_Greg: Any chance the night view colours can be tweaked? The washed out low contrast green is hard on the eyes at night.
[2017-01-06 15:16:07] rowrow : (or maybe it was just randomness of order speed, not sure)
[2017-01-06 15:18:09] BitMEX_Greg : Yazz: Hi, we will take it under consideration. Thanks for the feedback
[2017-01-06 15:18:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1728 @ 907.88
[2017-01-06 15:18:17] REKT : Choppy waters make solid seamen!
[2017-01-06 15:23:49] BitMEX_Greg : rowrow: @rapidtrades Apologies. I was incorrect in my previous statement. The liquidation price should remain the same as the mark price moves up or down, since the unrealised profit is added to the position to keep the liquidation price the same price as what it was when entering into the position.
[2017-01-06 15:24:12] sleger : ah that makes more sense
[2017-01-06 15:24:23] Rado : still 900 users, but frequency of post reduced a lot
[2017-01-06 15:24:24] sleger : liq price shouldnt be affected
[2017-01-06 15:24:28] shiroe : Forward!!
[2017-01-06 15:24:57] Rado : hey sleger
[2017-01-06 15:25:04] Rado : looks like I missed most of the fun
[2017-01-06 15:25:13] rowrow : BitMEX_Greg: yeah, no worries, thanks for the update
[2017-01-06 15:25:18] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: Yeah, still kind of early here
[2017-01-06 15:25:19] SilverKnight : Rado: everyone is waiting for the price to do something interesting... :P
[2017-01-06 15:25:31] Yazz : yep
[2017-01-06 15:25:41] Rado : SilverKnight: that's not interesting enough for you?
[2017-01-06 15:25:51] SilverKnight : Rado: what?
[2017-01-06 15:25:52] Rado : I much rather have th eboring market return
[2017-01-06 15:25:55] Yazz : I'm getting candle burn on the retina
[2017-01-06 15:26:29] Yazz : I look away from the screen and still see red and green candles
[2017-01-06 15:26:38] SilverKnight : Rado: we were all buzzing when price was tanking below 900.... but now its sorta dead in the water after breaking back above 900
[2017-01-06 15:26:42] Rado : Yazz: lol
[2017-01-06 15:26:48] rowrow : volatile market should theoretically be more profitable (at least in terms of swing trading/day trading)
[2017-01-06 15:27:17] Rado : SilverKnight: what I meant is that all the newbies that were bullish have disapeared
[2017-01-06 15:27:28] Rado : disappeared
[2017-01-06 15:27:29] rowrow : SilverKnight: it's only been 20 mins though, can't expect a rapid crash or pump more than twice per hour
[2017-01-06 15:27:38] SilverKnight : Rado: aha! gotcha
[2017-01-06 15:27:47] SilverKnight : rowrow: no I agree with you row
[2017-01-06 15:27:58] SilverKnight : its natural for it to be drifting after such a move
[2017-01-06 15:28:18] rowrow : SilverKnight: yeah, i do agree though that it's more exciting when the market is moving
[2017-01-06 15:28:40] Rado : rowrow: exciting to watch, but not if you have a trade
[2017-01-06 15:28:53] SilverKnight : Rado: it can be traumatic for some! :D
[2017-01-06 15:29:12] SilverKnight : Rado: mostly for those leveraged to the hilt... :P
[2017-01-06 15:29:27] SilverKnight : Cant say I havent been guilty of that before...
[2017-01-06 15:30:24] Rado : 880 is support imo
[2017-01-06 15:31:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 126 @ 908.08
[2017-01-06 15:32:09] Rado : it's funny how many small positions there are
[2017-01-06 15:32:24] Rado : people experiment or something?
[2017-01-06 15:33:15] sleger : just kids gambling their lunch money
[2017-01-06 15:33:17] rowrow : i'm not even sure how they do it, are they depositing $1 worth of bitcoin?
[2017-01-06 15:33:19] SilverKnight : im sure many try it out with like 10 or something
[2017-01-06 15:33:26] SilverKnight : $10
[2017-01-06 15:33:43] SilverKnight : I started with $250
[2017-01-06 15:33:46] rowrow : i guess there's nothing wrong with that, or maybe they lose money in one market and leverage the remaining change in their account?
[2017-01-06 15:34:24] SilverKnight : could be
[2017-01-06 15:34:58] SilverKnight : volume dropped off almost completely...
[2017-01-06 15:35:40] Rado : will be good if we chop to establish some kind of support
[2017-01-06 15:36:29] Rado : This area was support December 23-28
[2017-01-06 15:36:43] Rado : of course that doesn't mean much yet
[2017-01-06 15:36:53] SilverKnight : there is the slight chance that the demand might be gone at this level....
[2017-01-06 15:37:11] SilverKnight : in which case we would nose dive down to 890 again...
[2017-01-06 15:38:50] Rado : SilverKnight: that is the area I am talking about
[2017-01-06 15:38:53] Rado : 880-890
[2017-01-06 15:39:00] Rado : not current prices
[2017-01-06 15:39:29] Rado : sleger: did you buy H17 on the drop?
[2017-01-06 15:39:49] sleger : Rado: not much, i am already long h17
[2017-01-06 15:40:07] sleger : but if i werent i would have
[2017-01-06 15:40:26] Rado : I was out of all positions, but did not have orders
[2017-01-06 15:41:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 100 @ 902.12
[2017-01-06 15:41:30] sleger : I lost 100k on that last drop, mark to market
[2017-01-06 15:41:42] sleger : part of it due to premium of march compressing so it will come back
[2017-01-06 15:41:51] elmorte : I'm on 40k
[2017-01-06 15:42:00] sleger : elmorte: 40k$ loss ?
[2017-01-06 15:42:06] elmorte : yeah
[2017-01-06 15:42:12] Rado : :(
[2017-01-06 15:42:12] elmorte : mainly due to the hedge getting ADLd
[2017-01-06 15:42:29] sleger : that was 24h ago for me, today got adl but only tiny
[2017-01-06 15:42:40] sleger : 225k adl yesterday, 15k today
[2017-01-06 15:42:45] SilverKnight : ouch..... that sounds serious...
[2017-01-06 15:43:18] Rado : SilverKnight: these guys play with a lot of money
[2017-01-06 15:43:30] SilverKnight : Rado: mmm seems so...
[2017-01-06 15:43:32] SilverKnight : damn
[2017-01-06 15:44:09] Rado : When I started 10k contracts seemed a lot for me
[2017-01-06 15:44:14] Rado : now I am up to 50k
[2017-01-06 15:44:20] elmorte : yeah, I first started with 3500
[2017-01-06 15:44:58] elmorte : if you knew, it would've been obvious among the MMs
[2017-01-06 15:45:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1 @ 906.76 :punch: :whale:
[2017-01-06 15:45:50] elmorte : wow, no ins even for 1 contract
[2017-01-06 15:48:02] Rado : elmorte: how do you know?
[2017-01-06 15:48:07] Rado : did this contract get ADLed?
[2017-01-06 15:49:55] elmorte : ADL is closed at a profit
[2017-01-06 15:50:16] Rado : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/mNOGICWd-Short-term-long-trade-for-BTC/
[2017-01-06 15:51:13] SilverKnight : Rado: nice analysis
[2017-01-06 15:51:25] SilverKnight : could be
[2017-01-06 15:51:31] elmorte : I'm starting to think the last 2-3 weeks was just a prank to get us to 8888 :)
[2017-01-06 15:51:38] Rado2 : I am right 70% of teh time ;-)
[2017-01-06 15:52:17] SilverKnight : Rado: Im thinking we might have another dip down before going back up to 950...
[2017-01-06 15:52:28] Rado : sure
[2017-01-06 15:52:38] elmorte : SilverKnight: I paper traded like that but so far been incorrect
[2017-01-06 15:52:49] Rado : read the text
[2017-01-06 15:53:02] SilverKnight : elmorte: paper traded like what?
[2017-01-06 15:53:16] elmorte : a short at 905
[2017-01-06 15:53:34] SilverKnight : ah gotcha
[2017-01-06 15:54:06] SilverKnight : well what makes me think we might keep dipping is that the volume here is really low
[2017-01-06 15:54:20] SilverKnight : after we bounced there isnt much going on at this price
[2017-01-06 15:54:52] Rado : SilverKnight: volume on the exchanges matter way more
[2017-01-06 15:55:13] SilverKnight : you mean actual BTC exchanges right?
[2017-01-06 15:55:18] elmorte : we're just followers here though
[2017-01-06 15:55:23] SilverKnight : true
[2017-01-06 15:55:27] elmorte : Volume here matters mostly in hindsight
[2017-01-06 15:55:29] SilverKnight : thats a good point
[2017-01-06 15:56:07] Rado : did we make another record on Swap volume?
[2017-01-06 15:56:15] Rado : 70,000 XBT
[2017-01-06 15:56:18] Rado : way to go BitMEX
[2017-01-06 15:56:28] SilverKnight : it was 90,000 over last night and this morning
[2017-01-06 15:56:32] SilverKnight : wait
[2017-01-06 15:56:40] SilverKnight : that was from yesterday afternoon
[2017-01-06 15:56:45] Rado : nice
[2017-01-06 15:56:45] SilverKnight : I saw 90K
[2017-01-06 15:56:59] Rado : SilverKnight: it's 24H turnover
[2017-01-06 15:57:03] Rado : so it changes all the time
[2017-01-06 15:57:06] SilverKnight : yes
[2017-01-06 15:57:39] SilverKnight : more contracts were traded on the drop than the rise, in a shorter period of time..... which is always the case with selloffs
[2017-01-06 15:58:38] Yazz : One thing is for sure, whatever happens, Arthur and Bitmex is making bank.
[2017-01-06 15:58:51] Yazz : are...
[2017-01-06 15:59:00] SilverKnight : yes... totally...
[2017-01-06 16:00:59] rowrow : like $50k/day or so minus costs sound about right?
[2017-01-06 16:01:20] rowrow : (though this is their highest volume day probably)
[2017-01-06 16:01:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1001 @ 913.40
[2017-01-06 16:01:48] rowrow : 100m volume * .05% per trade
[2017-01-06 16:02:03] abbey : one hour SAR popped @ stamp for the first time on the way down, over 24h, popped with growing volume, bullish.
[2017-01-06 16:02:29] abbey : 5555 seems like the bottom for china
[2017-01-06 16:02:37] Dynamix : how high are we going ? :D
[2017-01-06 16:02:43] rowrow : 925
[2017-01-06 16:02:57] elmorte : fck, I'm get vertigo
[2017-01-06 16:03:00] Dynamix : haha maybe
[2017-01-06 16:03:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 6300 @ 918.25
[2017-01-06 16:04:03] Dynamix : double top china ? :D
[2017-01-06 16:05:00] elmorte : Rado: and someone correct me if Im wrong, but it there was was insurance those liqds wouldn't immediately appear in the tradebook. So the fact that they do makes me think it's depleted. Even that 1 contract
[2017-01-06 16:05:27] Rado : I don't think that's true
[2017-01-06 16:05:45] elmorte : possibly a bit of logic missing there
[2017-01-06 16:05:55] Rado : liquidations should always appear right away
[2017-01-06 16:05:56] tommygunn : we are going up up up om 15minute
[2017-01-06 16:05:58] sleger : elmorte: liq go to the book first
[2017-01-06 16:05:58] j8 : they appear but they don't get pushed into the orderbook. they sit there for a while then ADL
[2017-01-06 16:06:04] sleger : thats what maintenance margin is for
[2017-01-06 16:06:08] tommygunn : scalping all they way
[2017-01-06 16:06:28] abbey : Dynamix: that was double bottom
[2017-01-06 16:07:06] Dynamix : abbey: maybe ..
[2017-01-06 16:07:08] abbey : rapid dbl bottom
[2017-01-06 16:07:11] Dynamix : still good time to long ? :D
[2017-01-06 16:07:12] Rado : abbey: I was going to say that as well
[2017-01-06 16:07:40] abbey : excellent time to long
[2017-01-06 16:07:58] abbey : imo
[2017-01-06 16:08:32] MikeHunt : once this hits mean
[2017-01-06 16:08:37] MikeHunt : bull run can resume
[2017-01-06 16:09:08] Rado : MikeHunt: once what hits?
[2017-01-06 16:09:59] MikeHunt : Rado: btc -> 800's
[2017-01-06 16:10:34] abbey : waiting for huobi to break 6500
[2017-01-06 16:11:00] Dynamix : abbey: troll
[2017-01-06 16:11:02] rapidtrades : this f*cking vol man...i keep withdrawing and redepositing
[2017-01-06 16:11:14] Dynamix : abbey: strill needs to break 6300 ;)
[2017-01-06 16:11:28] rapidtrades : it should calm down in day or two
[2017-01-06 16:11:38] rapidtrades : then prolly slowly drift lower
[2017-01-06 16:11:54] Rado : rapidtrades: why do you withdraw and re deposit?
[2017-01-06 16:12:09] rapidtrades : to keep exchange risk down?
[2017-01-06 16:12:20] rapidtrades : not gonna get finexed again
[2017-01-06 16:12:49] rapidtrades : plus i only keep min here with a buffer after the ZEC fiasco
[2017-01-06 16:13:04] Rado : got it
[2017-01-06 16:13:07] elmorte : :thumbsu[:
[2017-01-06 16:13:10] Rado : where do you keep your BTC?
[2017-01-06 16:13:12] elmorte : :thumbsup:
[2017-01-06 16:13:24] elmorte : don't tell him rapid!
[2017-01-06 16:13:33] Rado : I bought Trezor, but only have 1 BTC there since I am still testing it
[2017-01-06 16:13:56] Rado : elmorte: shut up :-)
[2017-01-06 16:14:00] rapidtrades : yeah trezor seems ok
[2017-01-06 16:14:06] rapidtrades : brb later
[2017-01-06 16:14:12] abbey : Dynamix: huobi 6419
[2017-01-06 16:14:19] sleger : i got the nano ledger s instead
[2017-01-06 16:14:35] Rado : sleger: how is it?
[2017-01-06 16:14:41] sleger : good
[2017-01-06 16:14:48] sleger : it does multiple crypto
[2017-01-06 16:14:57] Rado : Trezor is coming out with a new device
[2017-01-06 16:15:01] Dynamix : abbey: okcoin is better :P
[2017-01-06 16:15:08] Rado : A lot bigger screen and much better display
[2017-01-06 16:15:11] Dynamix : kcoin
[2017-01-06 16:15:13] Apocalyptic : trezor is shitty, it had an obvious side-channel flaw in the first version
[2017-01-06 16:15:35] Dynamix : anyone here invested in antshares? :D
[2017-01-06 16:15:38] abbey : Dynamix: they are going almost hand in hand
[2017-01-06 16:17:29] abbey : Dynamix: bitcoinwisdom is lagging behind with huobi
[2017-01-06 16:17:32] CaptainDean : Apocalyptic: side-chanel flaw ?
[2017-01-06 16:17:49] Dynamix : haha yeah @abbey
[2017-01-06 16:18:00] cryptwrecked : hello there!
[2017-01-06 16:18:07] Dynamix : Chineze are breaking the market
[2017-01-06 16:18:20] Apocalyptic : CaptainDean: https://jochen-hoenicke.de/trezor-power-analysis/
[2017-01-06 16:18:30] Dynamix : the volume is still huge
[2017-01-06 16:19:05] elmorte : bitcoinwisdom.com still fckin up @MikeHunt ?
[2017-01-06 16:19:26] CaptainDean : Apocalyptic: looks like it's been fixed in a firmware update
[2017-01-06 16:19:34] Apocalyptic : CaptainDean: it's not the thing per see that is worrisome, but the technical ability of the team
[2017-01-06 16:19:44] Apocalyptic : if they let a product shipped with this
[2017-01-06 16:19:58] Rado : Apocalyptic: which one is the best?
[2017-01-06 16:20:21] Apocalyptic : Rado: I have no idea, haven't found any that would be suitable yet
[2017-01-06 16:20:39] Rado : Apocalyptic: hardware wallets are much better than software wallets
[2017-01-06 16:20:44] Apocalyptic : CaptainDean: according to some cryptographers it was a rookie mistake
[2017-01-06 16:20:46] CaptainDean : Apocalyptic: Good Point, I own one of them and i wasn't aware of this
[2017-01-06 16:20:47] Rado : so you better find one before you get hacked
[2017-01-06 16:20:49] Rado : :-)
[2017-01-06 16:20:52] CaptainDean : Apocalyptic: thanks for the info
[2017-01-06 16:20:56] Apocalyptic : Rado: I know
[2017-01-06 16:21:12] Apocalyptic : but better have competent people build the hardware is all I'm saying
[2017-01-06 16:21:25] Apocalyptic : until then i will stick with cold storage
[2017-01-06 16:23:28] cryptwrecked : trying to learn the ropes here, can i make demo trades on bitcoin dust?
[2017-01-06 16:23:44] CaptainDean : use the test website
[2017-01-06 16:23:52] CaptainDean : someone will give you the exact link
[2017-01-06 16:23:55] CaptainDean : i don't remember
[2017-01-06 16:24:04] cryptwrecked : that would be really helpful
[2017-01-06 16:24:09] elmorte : it's testnet.bimex.com
[2017-01-06 16:24:10] elmorte : but....
[2017-01-06 16:24:18] CaptainDean : https://testnet.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBTUSD
[2017-01-06 16:24:55] cryptwrecked : thanks guys, lost all my bitcoins because i lost the paper wallet when my house burned down
[2017-01-06 16:25:03] elmorte : it's alright for working out the mechanics of the site...but you won't glean much about the market
[2017-01-06 16:25:13] imapotato : @bitmex - You mentioned adding a prediction contract for ETF approval. I think it would be waaaay more interesting to do prediction contracts for fork activation (SegWit, BU, Classic, etc.)
[2017-01-06 16:26:17] username_ : anyone big on monero here?
[2017-01-06 16:26:20] cryptwrecked : thanks elmore, i'm more clued up on the market than i am the mechanics of this site, so that's helpful. How long should i expect to be on the demo site for before i am confident with the mechanics here, roughly speaking?
[2017-01-06 16:26:36] elmorte : cryptwrecked: a smart angry person told me when I first got here to just play with 1 contract first to test it out...that would be more useful than testnet trades
[2017-01-06 16:27:08] elmorte : cryptwrecked: you should be alright in half an hour :)
[2017-01-06 16:27:36] elmorte : not sure how fast you can get testnet BTC however
[2017-01-06 16:27:42] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 20000 @ 913.90
[2017-01-06 16:27:42] REKT : Choppy waters make solid seamen!
[2017-01-06 16:28:02] cryptwrecked : elmore: what type of contract would you recommend i start with?
[2017-01-06 16:29:26] elmorte : cryptwrecked: perpetual swap. If we had daily USD futures, I would recommend that, but since we don't swap would have to do
[2017-01-06 16:29:42] elmorte : Just...realize there are funding fees on the swap, and not on the futures
[2017-01-06 16:30:23] rullwull : there is yen daily futures
[2017-01-06 16:30:41] elmorte : with the liquidity of a rock
[2017-01-06 16:33:00] cryptwrecked : I'm on the testate now, but have no balance. what am i supposed to play with capital-wise?
[2017-01-06 16:33:31] elmorte : Google testnet BTC faucet
[2017-01-06 16:34:15] elmorte : There used to be instructions on the site itself, with links...I'm sure they're prob still there
[2017-01-06 16:34:59] BitMEX_Wally : cryptwrecked: The testnet deposit page links to some faucets: https://testnet.bitmex.com/app/deposit
[2017-01-06 16:36:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1024 @ 910.04
[2017-01-06 16:39:06] cryptwrecked : Thanks, I have testate coins on the way. Is there a thorough guide to trading on Bitmex?
[2017-01-06 16:39:28] imapotato : BitMEX_Wally: Someone (maybe Arthur?) mentioned adding a prediction contract for ETF approval. I think it would be waaaay more interesting to do prediction contracts for fork activation (SegWit, BU, Classic, etc.)
[2017-01-06 16:42:02] elmorte : cryptwrecked: no, but everything is pretty much labeled (hover over it) and documented
[2017-01-06 16:42:19] elmorte : You can click on contracts and references to go deeper
[2017-01-06 16:44:15] cryptwrecked : thanks elmorte
[2017-01-06 16:44:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 20000 @ 932.56
[2017-01-06 16:44:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 20500 @ 6507.5
[2017-01-06 16:44:58] elmorte : np, break a leg
[2017-01-06 16:45:42] cryptwrecked : i hope so, what's a realistic minimum deposit to make a worthwhile perpetual swap trade?
[2017-01-06 16:45:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 300 @ 904.93
[2017-01-06 16:46:20] elmorte : that's a very subjective question...
[2017-01-06 16:46:26] cryptwrecked : yeah, i know
[2017-01-06 16:46:59] cryptwrecked : ok, bearing in mind i lost all my bitcoins, 17, in a fire
[2017-01-06 16:47:16] sleger : if you have nothing left i guess 0 would do
[2017-01-06 16:47:17] elmorte : oh right...IRL REKT
[2017-01-06 16:47:22] sleger : and you can play on testnet
[2017-01-06 16:48:25] cryptwrecked : sleger, after testnet? I mean, is it/can it be worthwhile playing around with a few hundred dollars worth to start with?
[2017-01-06 16:48:45] Yazz : cryptwrecked: amount doesnt matter here. whatever you can afford to lose.
[2017-01-06 16:49:01] cryptwrecked : am reluctant to play with anything more than dust, especially since all my lost bitcoins are now ash
[2017-01-06 16:49:03] elmorte : for sure...my first deposit was 1BTC...which was around $250
[2017-01-06 16:49:14] cryptwrecked : nice
[2017-01-06 16:49:34] sleger : cryptwrecked: with 100$ you can bet 10k so yes
[2017-01-06 16:50:38] cryptwrecked : if i may ask elmore, did you have any knowledge of the types of trading you can do on bitmex, before you joined and deposited, and has the experience been more success than not, for you with your trading here?
[2017-01-06 16:51:14] elmorte : It was new to me...I traded spot before, so leverage was kinda nice
[2017-01-06 16:51:34] cryptwrecked : sleger: with a very tight margin for error on that trade i'm guessing. would need to be totally sure on the direction
[2017-01-06 16:51:48] elmorte : As for the success part, it's kinda like a sine curve
[2017-01-06 16:52:26] elmorte : If you asked me on Dec 1st, I would've been net negative...Dec 31st, net positive...today...
[2017-01-06 16:52:43] elmorte : well, a lot happened in the last 30 hrs
[2017-01-06 16:52:45] cryptwrecked : I used to leverage on bitfinex, had a few crazy nights back in 2013/14
[2017-01-06 16:53:27] cryptwrecked : thanks for your transparency elmorte, this was my experience before. It's no different to any other stock trading/gambling really
[2017-01-06 16:53:44] Dynamix : where is the way of this now ?
[2017-01-06 16:54:03] cryptwrecked : sideways and then down a bit imo
[2017-01-06 16:54:16] cryptwrecked : but i'm not a trader, so don't listen to me
[2017-01-06 16:54:31] cryptwrecked : i'm still asking for advice lol
[2017-01-06 16:54:32] elmorte : cryptwrecked: np, hope you genuinely got something from it
[2017-01-06 16:54:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 143 @ 6501.5
[2017-01-06 16:55:07] cryptwrecked : is this REKT user just updating us with the most recent positions that have been closed ?
[2017-01-06 16:55:23] cryptwrecked : I did elmorte, thanks
[2017-01-06 16:55:27] shiroe : not looking good..
[2017-01-06 16:55:34] elmorte : it's a bot written by one of the users
[2017-01-06 16:55:43] cryptwrecked : ah, ok, cool
[2017-01-06 16:55:43] shiroe : free fall!
[2017-01-06 16:55:51] MikeHunt : seems PRC crashed bitcoin so they can regulate it under the guise of "risk prevention"
[2017-01-06 16:55:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 12 @ 900.18
[2017-01-06 16:55:52] shiroe : abort abort
[2017-01-06 16:56:20] Yazz : MikeHunt: exactly
[2017-01-06 16:56:23] elmorte : cryptwrecked: once you get the hang of it, have a read of the Bitmex blog...Arthur's crypto digest posts offer some nice strategies and insight
[2017-01-06 16:56:26] Dynamix : shorting time ?
[2017-01-06 16:56:31] SilverKnight : mmmm
[2017-01-06 16:56:39] SilverKnight : looks pretty damn close
[2017-01-06 16:57:40] SilverKnight : I wouldnt short until we get below 900 tho
[2017-01-06 16:58:04] Dynamix : we went below haha
[2017-01-06 16:58:21] SilverKnight : yea but 900 is a support zone...
[2017-01-06 16:58:29] shiroe : support getting broken..
[2017-01-06 16:58:37] SilverKnight : I would need more confirmation, but thats just me
[2017-01-06 16:58:46] Dynamix : yeah , that is true :)
[2017-01-06 16:59:25] mariomarco : whos buying lol
[2017-01-06 16:59:32] mariomarco : 800 target
[2017-01-06 16:59:34] SilverKnight : well somebody is
[2017-01-06 16:59:35] SilverKnight : :P
[2017-01-06 16:59:47] mariomarco : we goin deeper underground
[2017-01-06 16:59:48] cryptwrecked : that's great elmorte, thank's, understanding market dynamics is the bit I enjoy, but the trading dragon and mechanics kind of melt my brain a little to be honest.
[2017-01-06 17:00:38] MikeHunt : once it settles at mean we will start climbing again slowly
[2017-01-06 17:00:44] MikeHunt : ready for the next pump n dump
[2017-01-06 17:01:07] elmorte : MikeHunt: what's mean? 860?
[2017-01-06 17:01:10] cryptwrecked : From nothing, I intend to get my head around all this, and trade my way 17 BTC's back
[2017-01-06 17:01:37] cryptwrecked : love the name MikeHunt, hehe!
[2017-01-06 17:01:45] Dynamix : MikeHunt: Pump from here ?
[2017-01-06 17:02:32] laisee : there is an API providing liquidations info as it happens
[2017-01-06 17:04:12] MikeHunt : elmorte: could be lower, after a bubble it can be hard to tell
[2017-01-06 17:04:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 402 @ 905.37
[2017-01-06 17:05:07] abbey : got my bags full, let's go!
[2017-01-06 17:05:20] Dynamix : abbey: down :P
[2017-01-06 17:05:29] Yazz : nooo up
[2017-01-06 17:06:00] Dynamix : daaamn
[2017-01-06 17:06:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 3 @ 908.29 :punch: :whale:
[2017-01-06 17:06:13] Dynamix : well ok
[2017-01-06 17:06:14] Dynamix : ..
[2017-01-06 17:06:52] SilverKnight : Dynamix: Im still thinking it will go down...
[2017-01-06 17:07:09] Dynamix : SilverKnight: meh
[2017-01-06 17:07:26] Dynamix : maybe ...
[2017-01-06 17:07:36] Dynamix : To 880 870 again
[2017-01-06 17:11:27] abbey : even still 855 possible, but after that - moon
[2017-01-06 17:12:04] abbey : low possibility tho
[2017-01-06 17:12:21] Dynamix : yh i guess
[2017-01-06 17:12:36] Dynamix : watch it dump
[2017-01-06 17:12:41] Dynamix : to oblivion :))
[2017-01-06 17:13:06] SilverKnight : im thinking 850 will be the downside target...
[2017-01-06 17:13:14] SilverKnight : once we get back below 900
[2017-01-06 17:13:29] Dynamix : u in a short ?
[2017-01-06 17:13:49] abbey : SilverKnight: yes, something like that i think too
[2017-01-06 17:14:15] SilverKnight : not yet
[2017-01-06 17:14:32] Dynamix : the volume is low af
[2017-01-06 17:14:35] SilverKnight : yep
[2017-01-06 17:14:45] Dynamix : these past minutes ....
[2017-01-06 17:14:47] SilverKnight : we are crawling along
[2017-01-06 17:15:03] SilverKnight : west coast USA is alive now
[2017-01-06 17:15:10] SilverKnight : so, should be interesting
[2017-01-06 17:15:24] abbey : not much selling
[2017-01-06 17:15:31] SilverKnight : not much of anything
[2017-01-06 17:15:54] abbey : silent before the storm
[2017-01-06 17:19:32] Dynamix : there it goes ..
[2017-01-06 17:23:15] imapotato : Anyone else wish there was a binary contract on Bitmex for Segwit activation, or am I alone?
[2017-01-06 17:24:15] sleger : no
[2017-01-06 17:24:25] sleger : you're alone
[2017-01-06 17:24:37] imapotato : Bummer
[2017-01-06 17:24:51] elmorte : not your bag of chips :/
[2017-01-06 17:29:31] Yazz : I wonder how many BTC the PRC gov owns...
[2017-01-06 17:30:55] shiroe : IT seems we are preparing for the 6am chinese pump :D
[2017-01-06 17:32:02] MikeHunt : Yazz: as many as they want
[2017-01-06 17:32:16] MikeHunt : Yazz: clearly enough to wall off 8888
[2017-01-06 17:32:25] MikeHunt : and any future target they choose
[2017-01-06 17:41:27] Dynamix : This is booring..
[2017-01-06 17:43:51] shiroe : so tight..
[2017-01-06 17:43:56] abbey : Dynamix: take brake, have a spliff ;)
[2017-01-06 17:45:06] cryptwrecked : where are all you guys from? I'm London
[2017-01-06 17:45:12] SilverKnight : London
[2017-01-06 17:45:15] abbey : relax, keep calm, wait for the move
[2017-01-06 17:46:02] bingbongfly : cryptwrecked: stockholm :)
[2017-01-06 17:46:04] abbey : northern europe
[2017-01-06 17:46:43] cryptwrecked : hello fellow europeans, is weed legal yet where you are?
[2017-01-06 17:47:04] abbey : not here
[2017-01-06 17:48:21] cryptwrecked : even more reason to light up a joint then abbey ;)
[2017-01-06 17:49:51] abbey : cryptwrecked: that I'll do right now ;)
[2017-01-06 17:51:17] ayy_lmao : so many emojis
[2017-01-06 17:51:54] elmorte : We need cooler paper wallets... Lighting a spliff with a burning $100 worth of bitcoin just doesn't have the same effect as lighting it with a Benjamin
[2017-01-06 17:52:38] cryptwrecked : i'll join you abbey! :)
[2017-01-06 17:53:10] abbey : these are so exciting times fellow mates, so glad to be a part of this.
[2017-01-06 17:53:19] MikeHunt : cryptwrecked: generally its decriminalized or low fine
[2017-01-06 17:53:33] cryptwrecked : elmorte, i wish someone had made a fireproof paper wallet, i'd be 17K better off
[2017-01-06 17:53:50] abbey : cryptwrecked: ok, cheers mate
[2017-01-06 17:54:10] elmorte : 15.5, but I get your point :)
[2017-01-06 17:54:11] REKT : Close your longs, close your shorts, choppy waters ahead!
[2017-01-06 17:54:11] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 50000 @ 912.79 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-01-06 17:54:52] cryptwrecked : need an early morning and fresh coffee to get my head around this.....enjoying the chat though
[2017-01-06 17:54:57] elmorte : cryptwrecked: and I'm glad you can joke about it... no one got hurt?
[2017-01-06 17:56:04] cryptwrecked : nah, no-one got hurt, i just lost a lot of possessions, and all my BTC.
[2017-01-06 17:56:14] cryptwrecked : hence my name
[2017-01-06 17:56:42] cryptwrecked : BTC will turn the whole world into gamblers
[2017-01-06 17:57:17] abbey : Waiting for huobi to pop that long 1hour SAR chain.. almost there
[2017-01-06 17:57:32] elmorte : we prefer the term `investors`
[2017-01-06 17:58:08] cryptwrecked : elmorte: hehehehe!
[2017-01-06 17:58:16] elmorte : you don't gamble your grandma, you invest her
[2017-01-06 17:58:28] cryptwrecked : Yes, well, I pimp her out
[2017-01-06 17:59:52] cryptwrecked : an afternoon with my nan, for 0.05 BTC
[2017-01-06 18:00:09] cryptwrecked : she make's a great cup of tea
[2017-01-06 18:02:37] elmorte : tea...organic, no calories...gluten free
[2017-01-06 18:02:43] elmorte : it's a winner
[2017-01-06 18:03:28] elmorte : now all you gotta do is issue nantokens for your ICO
[2017-01-06 18:04:00] abbey : oh f*ck my SARs, I hadn't refreshed my chart. The one hour SAR has popped time ago.. nevermind, too much splif and no sleep enough .. talking no sense here. But now I'm sharp again, let's move on.
[2017-01-06 18:06:02] abbey : talked no sense for a while, now i'm on the map again.
[2017-01-06 18:06:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2000 @ 909.21
[2017-01-06 18:06:21] elmorte : abbey: are we there yet?
[2017-01-06 18:06:22] abbey : + smiley face
[2017-01-06 18:06:50] abbey : elmorte: no no
[2017-01-06 18:07:04] Adriana : Sell Bitcoins! Buy your wife and kids bacK!
[2017-01-06 18:07:31] Yazz : seriously...
[2017-01-06 18:07:49] Yazz : just keep green.
[2017-01-06 18:08:18] ayy_lmao : f*ck indicators
[2017-01-06 18:08:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 20000 @ 930.91
[2017-01-06 18:09:10] SilverKnight : aaaannnd testing 900 again
[2017-01-06 18:09:18] Yazz : taknig the stairs up and the elevator down
[2017-01-06 18:09:22] SilverKnight : hmmm....
[2017-01-06 18:09:30] mariomarco : whos buying lol
[2017-01-06 18:10:20] elmorte : boing...
[2017-01-06 18:10:48] Yazz : support
[2017-01-06 18:11:10] Yazz : This box is so calm compared to Polo
[2017-01-06 18:11:26] elmorte : it's a reverse trampoline
[2017-01-06 18:11:40] elmorte : polo box is noise
[2017-01-06 18:12:11] Jerry : Im buyng
[2017-01-06 18:15:03] SilverKnight : bit of a war for 900....
[2017-01-06 18:16:01] abbey : Must trust to instincts now and keep calm
[2017-01-06 18:17:43] cryptwrecked : great idea elmorte, because you guys are so cool in here, i'd like to give you all fir-st refusal on the ICO nano tokens, or granno-tokens, as they are to be known as. Who wants in?
[2017-01-06 18:18:39] Yazz : GMILF tokens? There's probably a market for that.
[2017-01-06 18:18:47] abbey : funding is positive to me, that's nice
[2017-01-06 18:18:58] cryptwrecked : great contribution Jazz, thanks for the input
[2017-01-06 18:19:24] Yazz : my pleasure
[2017-01-06 18:20:37] cryptwrecked : I've got you down for 5 BTC's worth of GMILF futures contracts Yazz
[2017-01-06 18:21:16] daniel : Guys, why is the funding rate for xbtusd negative??
[2017-01-06 18:21:27] ayy_lmao : majority short?
[2017-01-06 18:21:51] elmorte : daniel: a bug in the code
[2017-01-06 18:22:24] elmorte : when BTC trades below market price, that tends to happen
[2017-01-06 18:23:06] daniel : ty
[2017-01-06 18:23:32] daniel : So it's a kind of policy to ensure that the price stays at Exchange level?
[2017-01-06 18:23:40] ayy_lmao : yes
[2017-01-06 18:24:11] ayy_lmao : https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2017-01-06 18:24:23] ayy_lmao : check the funding paragraph
[2017-01-06 18:24:58] elmorte : I feel like the italics were misplaced there...
[2017-01-06 18:25:02] ayy_lmao : " This rate aims to keep the traded price of the swap contract in line with the underlying reference price"
[2017-01-06 18:25:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 901.81
[2017-01-06 18:26:20] elmorte : `You will only pay or receive funding if you hold a position at one of these times` Or maybe italicize both `if` and `at`
[2017-01-06 18:26:41] daniel : oh great
[2017-01-06 18:26:59] elmorte : wonderful really
[2017-01-06 18:27:05] abbey : volume dried out, bears out of ammo, time to continue to the moon soon
[2017-01-06 18:27:36] abbey : ?
[2017-01-06 18:27:54] elmorte : sounded so confident until the ?
[2017-01-06 18:28:19] BitMEX_Greg : daniel: @elmorte So essentially if you hold a position over the Funding Period time, then you pay funding. If you close your position prior to this then you do not pay funding
[2017-01-06 18:28:21] ayy_lmao : lol
[2017-01-06 18:29:19] abbey : you're right. I double thought. It's not wise to be over confident of anything.
[2017-01-06 18:29:41] elmorte : abbey: I was just testing you. damn.
[2017-01-06 18:29:56] daniel : @greg
[2017-01-06 18:30:06] elmorte : click the username
[2017-01-06 18:30:38] BitMEX_Greg : daniel: Yes, if you want to @ me, just click on my username
[2017-01-06 18:30:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 897.51
[2017-01-06 18:30:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 500 @ 898.95
[2017-01-06 18:32:04] daniel : will do. First I read your outstanding tutorial, maybe it already answers my question...
[2017-01-06 18:32:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 11303 @ 895.60
[2017-01-06 18:32:28] BitMEX_Greg : daniel: Great, if you have any questions pls let me know
[2017-01-06 18:33:34] elmorte : > First I read your outstanding tutorial, maybe it already answers my question Times are changing
[2017-01-06 18:34:11] Izakun : Hi
[2017-01-06 18:34:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 887.57
[2017-01-06 18:34:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1150 @ 886.85
[2017-01-06 18:34:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1 @ 887.06 :punch: :whale:
[2017-01-06 18:35:17] Izakun : A charitable soul to send me 0.0001Xbtc ?
[2017-01-06 18:35:28] sleger : Izakun: sure
[2017-01-06 18:35:38] Izakun : sleger: seriously ?
[2017-01-06 18:35:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 885.04
[2017-01-06 18:35:58] sleger : Izakun: are you serious ?
[2017-01-06 18:36:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 36438 @ 883.69
[2017-01-06 18:36:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 20 @ 880.57
[2017-01-06 18:36:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 30000 @ 880.79
[2017-01-06 18:36:06] Izakun : sleger: yea ^^
[2017-01-06 18:36:27] SilverKnight : so whose short with me?
[2017-01-06 18:36:27] sleger : Izakun: so you think someone should pay 0.0005btc of network fees to send you 0.0001btc ?
[2017-01-06 18:36:47] Milkman : china even dumps in their sleep
[2017-01-06 18:36:54] sleger : Izakun: did you take an IQ test ever ?
[2017-01-06 18:37:31] mariomarco : whos buying lol
[2017-01-06 18:37:32] Izakun : sleger: I did not know that the fees is 0.0005
[2017-01-06 18:38:03] sleger : have you heard of bitcoin ?
[2017-01-06 18:38:21] MrRGnome : sleger: you're such a cock
[2017-01-06 18:38:34] sleger : MrRGnome: is he your friend ?
[2017-01-06 18:38:39] sleger : or your second account ?
[2017-01-06 18:38:39] MrRGnome : Nope.
[2017-01-06 18:38:49] Izakun : sleger: yea but many wallet the fees is free
[2017-01-06 18:38:55] sleger : sounds like something you might ask @MrRGnome
[2017-01-06 18:39:03] MrRGnome : lol you've never heard me beg
[2017-01-06 18:39:20] MrRGnome : except that one time I begged rapid to let me sleep on his couch during th eeth crash
[2017-01-06 18:39:23] sleger : not beg, but not know about something yes (fees...)
[2017-01-06 18:39:40] MrRGnome : I love the pedestal you put yourself on, and how often wrong you are
[2017-01-06 18:39:41] sleger : desperate times I guess....
[2017-01-06 18:39:59] MrRGnome : Never stop opening your mouth sleger, you'll be denying us some great joy
[2017-01-06 18:40:07] Izakun : If I put an action of 0.0001Xbtc I would still have a fee of 0.0005
[2017-01-06 18:40:23] sleger : MrRGnome: and I do it for free !
[2017-01-06 18:40:28] sleger : you're welcome
[2017-01-06 18:40:37] MrRGnome : <3
[2017-01-06 18:40:44] sleger : Izakun: ask your new friend the gnome
[2017-01-06 18:40:55] elmorte : Izakun: no
[2017-01-06 18:41:14] MrRGnome : @Izakun i think you need to do some general learning about bitcoin before you start begging for it, and don't beg here
[2017-01-06 18:41:14] Izakun : elmorte: the fees is free N
[2017-01-06 18:42:08] elmorte : There are wallets that don't charge fees @Izakun
[2017-01-06 18:42:49] rapidtrades : wtf...what's with all the useless vol
[2017-01-06 18:42:59] QuantFocus : useless?
[2017-01-06 18:43:13] rapidtrades : well we're not going anywhere are we
[2017-01-06 18:43:13] Izakun : elmorte: yea I know !
[2017-01-06 18:43:14] gustavo7 : crazy eights
[2017-01-06 18:43:20] MrRGnome : rapidtrades: price goes up rapid complains, price goes down rapid complains. Are you ever happy?
[2017-01-06 18:43:26] arbitrage001 : someone is borrowing a lot of btc to short
[2017-01-06 18:43:28] QuantFocus : rapidtrades: oh, we're going places
[2017-01-06 18:43:52] weather b0y4 : when I buy both the swap and the futures, how do I know when i am killed with the liquidation?
[2017-01-06 18:44:05] weather b0y4 : is there a way to see an estimate?
[2017-01-06 18:44:14] sleger : MrRGnome: i never put myself on a pedestal (others do it for me) and I've been wrong of course, but often no, and certainly much more right than wrong
[2017-01-06 18:44:17] QuantFocus : liquidation price, middle of your open positions
[2017-01-06 18:44:29] BitMEX_Greg : weather b0y4: We provide you a liquidation price in your position table. If you are liquidated then you will receive a liquidation notice email immediately
[2017-01-06 18:44:34] gustavo7 : i literaly hedged 895 five hours ago - gone nowhere