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[2017-01-05 05:12:55] micmix : arb with china is difficult
[2017-01-05 05:13:16] arbitrage001 : buying at finex and selling here also look extremely profitable
[2017-01-05 05:13:19] arbitrage001 : or from bitstamp
[2017-01-05 05:13:37] micmix : fiat transfers too slow
[2017-01-05 05:13:53] arbitrage001 : 1 day fiat transfer normally
[2017-01-05 05:14:03] rapidtrades : that's only europe dude
[2017-01-05 05:14:15] micmix : 3-5 days for me
[2017-01-05 05:14:20] micmix : best case
[2017-01-05 05:14:23] immackay : yeah, my fiat transfers take 2-3 weeks
[2017-01-05 05:14:24] MrRGnome : you pretty much need the amount you want to arb already sitting there so you don't need to wait for transfers
[2017-01-05 05:14:25] immackay : kill me
[2017-01-05 05:14:39] rapidtrades : usd transfers always that 3+ days cos they have to pass NY first
[2017-01-05 05:15:17] arbitrage001 : use a bank that have direct access with interbank exchange
[2017-01-05 05:15:29] Papou : wrekt shorts incoming
[2017-01-05 05:15:33] arbitrage001 : hsbc, citi and etc
[2017-01-05 05:15:44] Gekko : Use swapforex.com
[2017-01-05 05:15:46] rapidtrades : in what country @arbitrage001
[2017-01-05 05:15:52] arbitrage001 : any country
[2017-01-05 05:16:04] arbitrage001 : hsbc is fast but exoensive
[2017-01-05 05:16:05] rapidtrades : in most countries u can't just open a bank account
[2017-01-05 05:16:16] rapidtrades : without residency
[2017-01-05 05:16:31] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: hsbc premier account
[2017-01-05 05:16:32] l3f : rapidtrades: You can lol
[2017-01-05 05:16:41] rapidtrades : l3f: lol no u can't
[2017-01-05 05:16:44] l3f : open using a bank that has branches in that target country
[2017-01-05 05:16:49] arbitrage001 : one primier account -- world wide premier account
[2017-01-05 05:16:54] herecomedatboi : ayeeeeeeeeeee
[2017-01-05 05:17:11] rapidtrades : l3f: lot of times braches are segregated
[2017-01-05 05:17:23] rapidtrades : they act as their own bank basically
[2017-01-05 05:17:32] boomerang : jesus up to 8800yuan almost
[2017-01-05 05:17:50] rapidtrades : branches in different countries i mean
[2017-01-05 05:17:53] l3f : Buy and hold just keeps winning
[2017-01-05 05:17:58] rapidtrades : due to regulatory reasons etc
[2017-01-05 05:18:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 20000 @ 9372.7
[2017-01-05 05:18:37] immackay : oh wow I look away for 10 seconds and it's gone up $5
[2017-01-05 05:18:54] immackay : mark still under 1150 lmao
[2017-01-05 05:19:13] arbitrage001 : dont short if you dont know what you are doing
[2017-01-05 05:19:16] Speran49 : ugh
[2017-01-05 05:19:16] Speran49 : can't believe i got stuck in a short second night in a row
[2017-01-05 05:19:30] l3f : buy and hold wins again
[2017-01-05 05:19:44] arbitrage001 : till chinese new year
[2017-01-05 05:19:47] Speran49 : if we plummet back down and ark doesnt update
[2017-01-05 05:19:57] l3f : arbitrage001: Pump will end by then
[2017-01-05 05:19:57] Speran49 : mark* short could still be okay
[2017-01-05 05:20:23] immackay : pump will be done in the next week I'm guessing
[2017-01-05 05:20:38] Speran49 : what happens if mark get to liquidation price but actual price is much higher?
[2017-01-05 05:20:46] l3f : immackay: It will end when you least expect it
[2017-01-05 05:20:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 96401 @ 1152.23 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-01-05 05:20:57] Speran49 : any extra consequences or we are just liquidated at that previous price
[2017-01-05 05:21:11] l3f : Speran49: You lose the margin and also take on any losses from the trade
[2017-01-05 05:21:40] l3f : So if you short 10 usd at 1000 and your liquidation is 1200
[2017-01-05 05:21:42] imapotato : they just keep shorting
[2017-01-05 05:21:44] imapotato : fools
[2017-01-05 05:21:57] arbitrage001 : here go insurance fund again
[2017-01-05 05:21:57] Speran49 : imapotato shut the hell up
[2017-01-05 05:21:58] Speran49 : you dont know shit about trading
[2017-01-05 05:21:58] l3f : you lose your margin and 10*(1200-1000)
[2017-01-05 05:22:10] Speran49 : i watched you talk the last few days and you're a complete moron
[2017-01-05 05:22:27] immackay : lmfao
[2017-01-05 05:22:31] l3f : lmao
[2017-01-05 05:22:40] immackay : Speran49: you got stuck in a short buddy
[2017-01-05 05:22:42] l3f : a lotta salt for a bad short
[2017-01-05 05:22:45] immackay : I wouldn't be talking
[2017-01-05 05:22:50] Speran49 : its not a big deal
[2017-01-05 05:22:52] Speran49 : trade with 5%
[2017-01-05 05:22:54] Speran49 : per trade
[2017-01-05 05:22:58] Speran49 : not the end of the world
[2017-01-05 05:23:50] immackay : as far as we can tell you know just as much if not less than imapotato
[2017-01-05 05:24:15] rapidtrades : switch to the dark side and u'll be driving a Lamborghini by the end of the week @Speran49
[2017-01-05 05:24:49] rapidtrades : r/bitcoinmarkets told me this is going to 5k
[2017-01-05 05:25:02] immackay : reddit is always right
[2017-01-05 05:25:13] Speran49 : i was merely playing the fib level bounces
[2017-01-05 05:25:18] Speran49 : this time it broke out
[2017-01-05 05:25:26] Speran49 : that's all
[2017-01-05 05:25:39] Speran49 : yuan dumped and now it's rallying because of that
[2017-01-05 05:25:58] immackay : it's no big deal but you got all hot and bothered cause imapotato said shorts are fools
[2017-01-05 05:26:04] immackay : ok
[2017-01-05 05:26:06] rapidtrades : wow...yuan down to 6.83
[2017-01-05 05:26:13] Speran49 : hes been saying it the last few days
[2017-01-05 05:26:13] Speran49 : its annoying
[2017-01-05 05:26:20] immackay : well it's true
[2017-01-05 05:26:30] immackay : it's hard to profit off shorts in a bull market
[2017-01-05 05:26:35] Speran49 : it's true until it's not
[2017-01-05 05:26:41] imapotato : 8800
[2017-01-05 05:26:46] Speran49 : this is going to come down hard when imapotato least expects it
[2017-01-05 05:26:47] boomerang : theres the 8800 mark on OK
[2017-01-05 05:26:50] rapidtrades : also sharp dollar losses past 2 days
[2017-01-05 05:26:51] MikeHunt : 8888 => moon
[2017-01-05 05:26:57] micmix : my bot made 10% per week during this rally from being short 90% of the time
[2017-01-05 05:27:06] micmix : 10% per week in btc
[2017-01-05 05:27:10] rapidtrades : nice
[2017-01-05 05:27:13] Speran49 : damn
[2017-01-05 05:27:14] 24hourz : Ba sounds like Fa
[2017-01-05 05:27:17] 24hourz : ba ba ba
[2017-01-05 05:27:25] immackay : micmix: damn
[2017-01-05 05:27:40] Speran49 : well coded bot i guess
[2017-01-05 05:27:50] Speran49 : i spent 100s of hours coding bots, but never had a consistently profitable one
[2017-01-05 05:27:50] 24hourz : ballsey bot lol
[2017-01-05 05:27:53] rapidtrades : micmix: 'this rally' since when
[2017-01-05 05:28:02] imapotato : Are we going to do the predictable $30-$40 dip at 8887?
[2017-01-05 05:28:12] micmix : since middle of december
[2017-01-05 05:28:17] chromaticcr1 : good luck with 96401 @ 1166.79
[2017-01-05 05:28:21] rapidtrades : ok
[2017-01-05 05:28:32] rapidtrades : that's a lot of books
[2017-01-05 05:29:26] rapidtrades : yuan at 6.82 now
[2017-01-05 05:29:34] imabeast : whoever is shorting right now u are out of your mind
[2017-01-05 05:29:42] immackay : imabeast: i know I am
[2017-01-05 05:29:50] imabeast : where u short from
[2017-01-05 05:29:51] cookielito : I dont see why xbth17
[2017-01-05 05:29:51] imabeast : lol
[2017-01-05 05:29:52] rapidtrades : well yuan moves say rally is BS
[2017-01-05 05:29:58] cookielito : isnt being bought up like crazy
[2017-01-05 05:30:00] MrRGnome : yep I'm short, it's a good hedge against my holdings
[2017-01-05 05:30:16] immackay : sadly, 1160 or so
[2017-01-05 05:30:17] imabeast : immackay: @MrRGnome goodluck to u both
[2017-01-05 05:30:29] cookielito : godspeed gentlemen
[2017-01-05 05:30:37] immackay : jumped on that funding train and didn't get out fast enough
[2017-01-05 05:30:38] imapotato : >Are we going to do the predictable $30-$40 dip at 8887?
[2017-01-05 05:30:47] MrRGnome : I'm net long overall, but short here
[2017-01-05 05:30:48] imabeast : next leg up will be soon
[2017-01-05 05:30:52] rapidtrades : http://news.forexlive.com/!/hk-offshore-yuan-overnight-borrowing-rate-fixed-at-its-highest-since-12jan2016-20170105
[2017-01-05 05:30:58] immackay : imapotato: potentially
[2017-01-05 05:31:05] immackay : I wouldn't know
[2017-01-05 05:31:22] rapidtrades : Hong Kong's offshore yuan overnight borrowing rate (HIBOR) has been fixed at 38.335%
[2017-01-05 05:31:27] rapidtrades : that's gotta sting the shorts
[2017-01-05 05:32:01] cookielito : rapidtrades: where do you see that?
[2017-01-05 05:32:21] rapidtrades : in the link I JUST POSTED
[2017-01-05 05:32:21] rms : can anyone recommend an iphone alarm app that will work for bitmex futures?
[2017-01-05 05:32:33] javierstone : rapidtrades: hahahahaha
[2017-01-05 05:32:49] immackay : rapidtrades: don't you love the trollbox?
[2017-01-05 05:33:18] rapidtrades : I love some parts of it....
[2017-01-05 05:33:26] rapidtrades : not this part tho >>> @cookielito
[2017-01-05 05:33:40] javierstone : i'd love to know the ages of everyone
[2017-01-05 05:33:53] javierstone : and like yearbook photos
[2017-01-05 05:33:53] cookielito : rapidtrades: Thanks
[2017-01-05 05:33:57] Speran49 : probably 20 to 30s i bet
[2017-01-05 05:33:58] immackay : 12
[2017-01-05 05:34:01] Speran49 : all male
[2017-01-05 05:35:42] micmix : this is me: http://imgur.com/a/yBiKj
[2017-01-05 05:36:07] immackay : hey that's me too
[2017-01-05 05:36:23] MikeHunt : Speran49: are you volunteering to be the *pantomime* *dame* ?
[2017-01-05 05:36:40] imapotato : higher highs in china
[2017-01-05 05:37:04] Speran49 : @mikehunt lol
[2017-01-05 05:37:12] MrRGnome : almost 8888!!!
[2017-01-05 05:37:14] Speran49 : MikeHunt: lol
[2017-01-05 05:37:14] imapotato : I think this one might touch 8888 (or 8887 and dip)
[2017-01-05 05:37:40] Speran49 : i think im going to go eat a shoe
[2017-01-05 05:38:08] Papou : late 20's here
[2017-01-05 05:41:43] rms : xbth17 sell side order book here disappeared?
[2017-01-05 05:42:03] Gekko : No sellers left
[2017-01-05 05:42:10] Gekko : oh dear
[2017-01-05 05:42:32] rapidtrades : loool yuan at 6.81
[2017-01-05 05:42:48] chromaticcr1 : Gekko: look at BTCC pro before you say that
[2017-01-05 05:43:02] immackay : what is bitstamp doing
[2017-01-05 05:43:04] immackay : holy shit
[2017-01-05 05:43:16] MrRGnome : 8877 hoobs
[2017-01-05 05:44:03] MrRGnome : 8885 it going to bounce off 8888 or explode upwards?
[2017-01-05 05:44:11] immackay : did okcoin hit 8886?
[2017-01-05 05:44:20] m3s : stamp just chilling
[2017-01-05 05:44:42] MrRGnome : immackay: my chart says so
[2017-01-05 05:44:43] l3f : m3s: they ran out of money days agio
[2017-01-05 05:44:48] imabeast : close your shorts...
[2017-01-05 05:44:52] imabeast : while u still have the chance
[2017-01-05 05:44:53] imabeast : lmao
[2017-01-05 05:44:58] chromaticcr1 : 8888 done on huobubu
[2017-01-05 05:45:09] m3s : l3f: the buyers on the platform?
[2017-01-05 05:45:15] MrRGnome : 8888 hit at okcasino
[2017-01-05 05:45:17] l3f : m3s: there's no margin on stamp
[2017-01-05 05:45:39] evilminer : 8888 tagged.
[2017-01-05 05:45:42] m3s : l3f: in 2017 if papa SEC allows it
[2017-01-05 05:45:48] evilminer : Party is over!
[2017-01-05 05:45:48] m3s : l3f: or the eu equivalent
[2017-01-05 05:46:27] rms : 8888 !
[2017-01-05 05:47:08] immackay : cool, short got closed and didn't lose all my money
[2017-01-05 05:47:10] immackay : happy me
[2017-01-05 05:47:34] MikeHunt : lucky
[2017-01-05 05:47:49] MikeHunt : cant wait for big dip
[2017-01-05 05:47:54] MikeHunt : cheap coins to feed my long
[2017-01-05 05:48:11] rapidtrades : there are no new money anymore as u can see from the stamp lags
[2017-01-05 05:48:26] MikeHunt : bitstamp is irrelevant
[2017-01-05 05:48:26] m3s : shouldnt this correct at least for a day?
[2017-01-05 05:48:32] MikeHunt : only problem is its buggering up the premiums
[2017-01-05 05:48:40] immackay : m3s: throw all reason out the window
[2017-01-05 05:48:41] MikeHunt : m3s: only if blackswan
[2017-01-05 05:48:49] m3s : immackay: yeah i know
[2017-01-05 05:48:49] rapidtrades : MikeHunt: ur mom is irrelevant yet i still pay her $5
[2017-01-05 05:49:04] immackay : yeah, seriously, can we get a different index/mark here?
[2017-01-05 05:49:07] immackay : stamp is lame
[2017-01-05 05:49:10] rapidtrades : NO
[2017-01-05 05:49:12] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: your ignorance causes you frustration which you take out on others rather than spending such energy on educating yourself
[2017-01-05 05:49:22] thomaskikansha : $25 premium on swap wow
[2017-01-05 05:49:42] rapidtrades : its $29
[2017-01-05 05:49:57] MikeHunt : prem exists so china can capital fly
[2017-01-05 05:50:05] MikeHunt : no prem no fly
[2017-01-05 05:50:12] m3s : immackay: shitcoins seem like a sure bet at the moment. they barely budge when price moved 100$ and should rally when a correction happens
[2017-01-05 05:50:27] immackay : m3s: yeah I think I might put more money into polo
[2017-01-05 05:50:31] thomaskikansha : stamp just lagging too much
[2017-01-05 05:50:45] immackay : seeing as how I can't even buy a 3x long atm on swap
[2017-01-05 05:50:52] rapidtrades : it's not lagging anything dummy
[2017-01-05 05:51:08] rapidtrades : ur all fomoing on margin like idiots
[2017-01-05 05:51:53] m3s : thomaskikansha: maybe cause EU still asleep
[2017-01-05 05:52:14] immackay : oh wait yes I can i'm just retarded
[2017-01-05 05:52:37] immackay : oh sad
[2017-01-05 05:52:41] immackay : why didn't I hold my short
[2017-01-05 05:52:43] immackay : fuck
[2017-01-05 05:52:46] immackay : oh well
[2017-01-05 05:53:34] Speran49 : come on $30 dump
[2017-01-05 05:53:36] Speran49 : COME ONNNN
[2017-01-05 05:53:37] rms : so... london banks open soon?
[2017-01-05 05:53:54] Speran49 : i seriously need it down below 1150 to exit this accursed short
[2017-01-05 05:56:05] MikeHunt : Speran49: didnt we tell u earlier not to do that?
[2017-01-05 05:56:16] j8 : looks like the insurance fund for the swap is empty
[2017-01-05 05:56:49] Speran49 : lol'
[2017-01-05 05:56:57] Speran49 : MikeHunt: i been in this short for like 4 hrs
[2017-01-05 05:57:00] MikeHunt : j8: wen this dumps, get out of town
[2017-01-05 05:57:05] MikeHunt : Speran49: bad idea
[2017-01-05 05:57:10] MikeHunt : Speran49: whats ur RoE?
[2017-01-05 05:57:21] j8 : but the dumps are the most fun
[2017-01-05 05:57:29] Speran49 : MikeHunt: .09 xbt atm
[2017-01-05 05:57:44] MikeHunt : Speran49: how many btc did you short with?
[2017-01-05 05:57:55] arbitrage001 : j8: the insurance fund is gone?
[2017-01-05 05:58:02] Speran49 : MikeHunt: :| 25
[2017-01-05 05:58:06] rowrow : how do you check the fund?
[2017-01-05 05:58:14] arbitrage001 : cuz the liqudation price didnt move?
[2017-01-05 05:58:16] j8 : well the liquidations are just sitting there now, normally they get pushed into the book
[2017-01-05 05:58:24] arbitrage001 : j8: i see
[2017-01-05 05:58:27] MikeHunt : Speran49: leverage?
[2017-01-05 05:58:27] Speran49 : MikeHunt: oh my ROE is -40%
[2017-01-05 05:58:33] rowrow : but if someone buys it, it disappears as well i believe
[2017-01-05 05:58:33] Speran49 : MikeHunt: 50x
[2017-01-05 05:58:35] arbitrage001 : so, everyone trading swap is affected now
[2017-01-05 05:58:38] MikeHunt : Speran49: jesus
[2017-01-05 05:58:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 2551 @ 1313.76
[2017-01-05 05:58:53] arbitrage001 : bitmex needs to take measure before things go out of propotion
[2017-01-05 05:59:14] MikeHunt : Speran49: swap or march contract?
[2017-01-05 05:59:20] Speran49 : MikeHunt: i doubled my money the other day. Deposited that backt o my bank acct and ive just been playing iwth my winning. No biggie. I'm learning a few things.
[2017-01-05 05:59:30] MikeHunt : arbitrage001: bitmex wasnt around for 2013 bubble was it?
[2017-01-05 05:59:37] Speran49 : MikeHunt: swap
[2017-01-05 05:59:58] Speran49 : MikeHunt: only reason this thing is still on is becasue of the messed up mark price on swaps
[2017-01-05 06:00:30] MikeHunt : Speran49: i learnt the hard way shorting as well
[2017-01-05 06:00:35] MikeHunt : Speran49: albeit not so heavily
[2017-01-05 06:00:43] Speran49 : MikeHunt: its not a ton of money lol
[2017-01-05 06:00:49] MikeHunt : Speran49: only benefit from holding your position is the interest you get
[2017-01-05 06:01:08] Speran49 : MikeHunt: well if it comes back down and i exit then it's not so bad either
[2017-01-05 06:01:13] MikeHunt : Speran49: but since its 50x ur gonna get liq imo
[2017-01-05 06:02:04] Speran49 : MikeHunt: mark is sitting at 1146. Constantly drops fast. Something odd is going on. Also this rally wasn't as strong. I think well see a pullback at least to 1150 so i can exit this
[2017-01-05 06:02:22] Papou : it will retrace to low 1000 or 900's
[2017-01-05 06:02:29] Papou : before we pump in a few months to 1500+
[2017-01-05 06:02:34] MikeHunt : Speran49: imo this could go as high as 10k usd
[2017-01-05 06:02:38] Speran49 : MikeHunt: look at how at least on bitmex it was on declining volume
[2017-01-05 06:02:44] jedisatoshi : is everyone unable to request withdraw right now?
[2017-01-05 06:02:48] MikeHunt : Speran49: bitmex is in decline anyways
[2017-01-05 06:02:53] rapidtrades : GUYS WE'RE GOING TO 10K
[2017-01-05 06:02:56] MikeHunt : Speran49: after hack they've been on the way out
[2017-01-05 06:03:02] mutato : are the books always this spready?
[2017-01-05 06:03:06] Speran49 : MikeHunt: what do ppl use instaed?
[2017-01-05 06:03:19] Speran49 : MikeHunt: and yeah i know. My company is long bitcoin and owns around 30 or so.
[2017-01-05 06:03:22] rapidtrades : he means bitfinex not bitmex
[2017-01-05 06:03:22] MikeHunt : Speran49: typically china buys at okc/huobi then dumps on western exchanges
[2017-01-05 06:03:33] XBTXBTXBT : I love the 3 year cup and handle
[2017-01-05 06:03:41] MikeHunt : Speran49: hence the prem.
[2017-01-05 06:03:49] imapotato : no dump at 8887?
[2017-01-05 06:03:50] imapotato : moon time
[2017-01-05 06:04:32] Speran49 : MikeHunt: interesting
[2017-01-05 06:06:34] cookielito : So, I just had withdrawals disabled on my account
[2017-01-05 06:06:37] cookielito : wtf?
[2017-01-05 06:06:47] MikeHunt : cookielito: ?
[2017-01-05 06:06:54] MikeHunt : cookielito: we all locked in?
[2017-01-05 06:07:11] cookielito : I dont know
[2017-01-05 06:07:15] javierstone : cookielito: i just got one confirmed at 12:20
[2017-01-05 06:07:17] MikeHunt : cookielito: error message?
[2017-01-05 06:07:26] cookielito : Withdrawals have been temporarily disabled on this account. Please contact support.
[2017-01-05 06:07:40] MikeHunt : cookielito: have you withdrawn a lot lately?
[2017-01-05 06:07:50] cookielito : not too much
[2017-01-05 06:07:54] cookielito : twice today
[2017-01-05 06:08:15] javierstone : ha thats prolly alot
[2017-01-05 06:08:47] cookielito : whatever
[2017-01-05 06:09:09] javierstone : i like that they send "all withdrawls byhand"
[2017-01-05 06:09:16] javierstone : makes me think there's some orchard where they pick them
[2017-01-05 06:10:05] cookielito : ok
[2017-01-05 06:10:11] cookielito : support@bitmex.com
[2017-01-05 06:10:11] cookielito : ?
[2017-01-05 06:10:14] jedisatoshi : I just submitted a ticket
[2017-01-05 06:10:39] jedisatoshi : I am unable to withdraw at this time is it due to maint or something?
[2017-01-05 06:11:06] jedisatoshi : cookielito: I am getting the same thing glad to see its not just me
[2017-01-05 06:11:31] elmorte : wow, CNH up to 6.82
[2017-01-05 06:11:35] BitMEX_Arthur : jedisatoshi: Can you send a screenshot of what you are seeing to support@bitmex.com
[2017-01-05 06:11:45] cookielito : sent
[2017-01-05 06:11:50] jedisatoshi : BitMEX_Arthur: yes sir
[2017-01-05 06:12:27] elmorte : j8: how are you doing man?
[2017-01-05 06:12:41] rowrow : BitMEX_Arthur: are there any updates on the funding rate cap? if my thinking is correct, it's quite a major problem
[2017-01-05 06:12:55] j8 : elmorte: pretty great start to the year
[2017-01-05 06:13:10] elmorte : end of the last one too!
[2017-01-05 06:13:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `REP7D`: buy 1068 @ 0.004572
[2017-01-05 06:13:38] MKARAMI : What do you think about the closing point of today?
[2017-01-05 06:13:48] elmorte : j8: any way to pick your brain on some python questions?
[2017-01-05 06:13:56] j8 : sure
[2017-01-05 06:14:21] 2102 : No withdraw available!! Why???
[2017-01-05 06:14:26] MKARAMI : Do you have any guess?
[2017-01-05 06:14:51] BitMEX_Arthur : rowrow: No updates as nothing will be happening without a large notice period.
[2017-01-05 06:14:55] jedisatoshi : BitMEX_Arthur: I just sent the support ticket with the screenshot
[2017-01-05 06:14:58] BitMEX_Arthur : Thanks
[2017-01-05 06:15:03] elmorte : j8: my questions are quite noobish...any way to contact you privately?
[2017-01-05 06:15:19] jedisatoshi : BitMEX_Arthur: Thank you for responding so quickly!
[2017-01-05 06:15:35] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Arthur: would an increase in funding rate be associated with a decrease in leverage allowed?
[2017-01-05 06:15:42] QuantFocus : sorry if you already answered
[2017-01-05 06:16:13] j8 : elmorte: i could go on irc i guess, probably going to bed soon though
[2017-01-05 06:16:22] 2102 : Withdrawal are currently disabled! Arthur why?
[2017-01-05 06:16:34] BitMEX_Greg : 2102: We are looking into it
[2017-01-05 06:17:09] elmorte : j8: I'm there, elmo_irc
[2017-01-05 06:17:14] elmorte : appreciate it
[2017-01-05 06:17:18] BitMEX_Arthur : 2102: Don't worry we rolled out a function to help us better track withdrawals, we are fixing it now. Your coins are safe
[2017-01-05 06:17:44] l3f : Better not gox me
[2017-01-05 06:18:22] jedisatoshi : BitMEX_Arthur: I wasnt too worried I love Bitmex! Thank you for your help!
[2017-01-05 06:18:31] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Arthur: safe *with* *us* ? ;)
[2017-01-05 06:18:48] QuantFocus : l3f: lol
[2017-01-05 06:18:49] elmorte : it's a multisig wallet
[2017-01-05 06:18:50] BitMEX_Greg : l3f: Short the potential fall out here with 100x. (kidding, everything is fine)
[2017-01-05 06:18:57] mariomarco : is anybody else seeing the bug with orders on chart
[2017-01-05 06:19:05] 2102 : Thanks.
[2017-01-05 06:19:12] BitMEX_Greg : mariomarco: What bug do you see?
[2017-01-05 06:19:14] rowrow : there appears to be a liquidation that's been sitting there for 20 minutes
[2017-01-05 06:19:15] mariomarco : orders are not show on chart or are still displayed after they are canceled
[2017-01-05 06:19:22] l3f : BitMEX_Greg: Shorting a bitcoin rally is the last thing I'd do
[2017-01-05 06:19:37] elmorte : can't rally forever
[2017-01-05 06:19:47] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Greg: how long do you guys expect 160btc to last when this dumps?
[2017-01-05 06:19:54] rms : shorting a bitcoin rally to make more bitcoins... on a hypothetical exchange that lost all the bitcoins. let's do it!
[2017-01-05 06:20:14] BitMEX_Greg : MikeHunt: Where do you get the 160btc number from
[2017-01-05 06:20:22] elmorte : Don't worry, you get mexcoins in compensation
[2017-01-05 06:20:26] elmorte : They can call them...pesos
[2017-01-05 06:20:30] BitMEX_Greg : haha
[2017-01-05 06:20:31] QuantFocus : hahahah
[2017-01-05 06:20:32] mariomarco : elmorte: lolo
[2017-01-05 06:20:40] MikeHunt : lol
[2017-01-05 06:20:44] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Greg: insurance fund?
[2017-01-05 06:20:57] BitMEX_Greg : Ah right, it is split between different contracts
[2017-01-05 06:21:10] BitMEX_Greg : Once it runs out, then if the liquidations are not filled then ADL will occur
[2017-01-05 06:21:34] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Greg: so probably not long then?
[2017-01-05 06:21:52] BitMEX_Greg : We haven't had any ADL on the way up btw
[2017-01-05 06:22:08] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Greg: i think you will on the way down when the panic sets in
[2017-01-05 06:22:10] mariomarco : MikeHunt: are there any problem with liquidations?
[2017-01-05 06:22:26] immackay : meanwhile my altcoin account is doing better than this one
[2017-01-05 06:22:28] immackay : god damnit
[2017-01-05 06:22:29] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Greg: its the titanic & lifeboats analogy , 16 wasnt enough there, 160 wont be here imo
[2017-01-05 06:22:43] immackay : why did december have to be so bad for me
[2017-01-05 06:22:44] mariomarco : lool
[2017-01-05 06:22:58] immackay : thanks china
[2017-01-05 06:22:59] mariomarco : immackay: yuore not alone bro
[2017-01-05 06:23:09] MikeHunt : there will be a black swan at some point, its inevitable
[2017-01-05 06:23:12] MikeHunt : same with iceberg thingie
[2017-01-05 06:23:16] rowrow : so status of withdrawals is that they are or aren't working at the moment?
[2017-01-05 06:23:18] BitMEX_Greg : MikeHunt: Perhaps, who knows until it happens. We have quite good liquidity here. It's better than the DPE however
[2017-01-05 06:23:19] immackay : made 4 btc in a day, lost it all.... kill me
[2017-01-05 06:23:23] Speran49 : i lost 6k trading in my normal market acct cause of december shenanigans
[2017-01-05 06:23:45] Speran49 : i think something was going on with the planets and magnetic fields. Idk anyone that made money.
[2017-01-05 06:23:49] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Greg: so basically its ok until its not? LOL
[2017-01-05 06:23:52] BitMEX_Greg : rowrow: We rolled out a fix earlier to track withdrawals and must have hit the wrong switch. We are on the solution now
[2017-01-05 06:23:59] javierstone : Speran49: its mercury in retrograde
[2017-01-05 06:24:01] rowrow : k
[2017-01-05 06:24:05] immackay : I'm down at 0.01 in this account now
[2017-01-05 06:24:09] immackay : put it all on long
[2017-01-05 06:24:13] immackay : let's do it
[2017-01-05 06:24:38] mariomarco : 100x You Only Leverage Once
[2017-01-05 06:24:40] mariomarco : YOLO
[2017-01-05 06:24:46] Speran49 : something tells me Immackay youre not using proper risk management
[2017-01-05 06:25:00] Speran49 : never trade more than 5% of your acct in any one trade
[2017-01-05 06:25:04] MikeHunt : immackay: ur total balance is 0.01?
[2017-01-05 06:25:20] immackay : Speran49: I didn't when I first started, back in december
[2017-01-05 06:25:29] immackay : MikeHunt: yup, up from 0.006
[2017-01-05 06:25:44] MikeHunt : immackay: did u get rekt or something?
[2017-01-05 06:25:46] MikeHunt : what u start with?
[2017-01-05 06:25:46] 2102 : Bitmex..... We don't need another Gox!! ?
[2017-01-05 06:26:01] immackay : Speran49: I had gone on holiday in december and din't have time to watch the markets and just continued to make bad trade after bad trade
[2017-01-05 06:26:07] m3s : 2102: what you talking about
[2017-01-05 06:26:28] Speran49 : immackay: yeah it happens sorry to hear :(
[2017-01-05 06:26:31] immackay : MikeHunt: started with like 0.2, went up to 4.2, then down to 0.006
[2017-01-05 06:26:37] Speran49 : immackay: i lost 6k in the normal markets so i feel your pain big time
[2017-01-05 06:26:41] immackay : thanks to the very first drop
[2017-01-05 06:26:52] MikeHunt : 2102: gox serves as an example of not to run with cash, apparently gox owner is getting shafted in jap prison
[2017-01-05 06:26:53] immackay : I don't really care, I just want to get back in the game
[2017-01-05 06:26:59] immackay : but it's difficult with 0.01
[2017-01-05 06:27:13] immackay : and I'm not willing to put in any more money, that's just dumb of me at this point
[2017-01-05 06:27:22] mariomarco : MikeHunt: dropsoap style EYOO
[2017-01-05 06:27:39] immackay : so I shall wait this out
[2017-01-05 06:27:48] immackay : let my alts grow a little
[2017-01-05 06:28:37] BitMEX_Sam : 2102: The issue is fixed.
[2017-01-05 06:28:39] mariomarco : "alts" "grow" "a little"
[2017-01-05 06:28:40] Speran49 : at is whee its at
[2017-01-05 06:28:48] Speran49 : alts grow a lot if youre smart
[2017-01-05 06:28:58] Speran49 : we started with $600 2 years ago
[2017-01-05 06:29:05] Speran49 : acct is now at over $8000
[2017-01-05 06:29:45] immackay : mariomarco: not sure what your point is
[2017-01-05 06:30:20] immackay : Speran49: yeah, I started with 0.1 in my alt account, it's going up slowly
[2017-01-05 06:30:34] immackay : only started trading last month (which is likely why I fucked up hardcore)
[2017-01-05 06:30:45] Speran49 : wow yeah you need to take your time
[2017-01-05 06:30:52] immackay : should have just held my bitcoin through this rally
[2017-01-05 06:30:57] Speran49 : ive been at this for 6 years and im still not that good at it lol
[2017-01-05 06:31:02] immackay : eh, it's a learning experience and I don't really mind
[2017-01-05 06:31:05] 2102 : Many thanks BitMex! Great support here.
[2017-01-05 06:31:08] MikeHunt : immackay: did you have leverage on that long?
[2017-01-05 06:31:11] immackay : I haven't lost much
[2017-01-05 06:31:24] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Sam: @BitMEX_Greg can you guys confirm, would a funding rate increase be accompanied by a reduction in leverage?
[2017-01-05 06:31:32] Speran49 : likely heading down here
[2017-01-05 06:31:34] Speran49 : https://www.tradingview.com/x/Iu03OJqi/
[2017-01-05 06:31:39] immackay : MikeHunt: yeah, when I made the 4 btc I used 100x leverage lol
[2017-01-05 06:31:54] immackay : then bought again at the top cause I was giddy from winnning
[2017-01-05 06:32:03] MikeHunt : immackay: they say you only 100x once
[2017-01-05 06:32:08] MikeHunt : immackay: then ur x.x
[2017-01-05 06:32:09] immackay : lesson one: don't do that
[2017-01-05 06:32:15] BitMEX_Sam : QuantFocus: We have not decided on a mechanism just yet; but increasing the funding rate per interval would require increasing initial margin to prevent instant liquidations
[2017-01-05 06:32:17] MikeHunt : immackay: im doing 10x but that's calculated
[2017-01-05 06:32:33] Speran49 : https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%207-d&q=bitcoin
[2017-01-05 06:32:37] BitMEX_Sam : We will give ample notice if and when any changes are made
[2017-01-05 06:32:38] Speran49 : ^this is also important
[2017-01-05 06:32:45] rowrow : are you guys still seeing the 96401 liquidation at 1162 from like an hour ago?
[2017-01-05 06:32:46] Speran49 : to determine btc sentiment
[2017-01-05 06:32:48] immackay : MikeHunt: I still use 50x once in a while
[2017-01-05 06:32:55] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Sam: ok thanks
[2017-01-05 06:32:56] Speran49 : 50x is the best imo
[2017-01-05 06:33:00] Gekko : Swap versus index kinda crazy ATM...makes me not want to trade something as divorced from reality
[2017-01-05 06:33:19] j8 : BitMEX_Sam: can you confirm that the insurance fund for the swap is empty?
[2017-01-05 06:33:21] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Sam: wait, an increase in initial margin requirements? or reduction?
[2017-01-05 06:33:30] MikeHunt : immackay: i wouldnt use it unless ur calculating ahead or the fees will rape you
[2017-01-05 06:33:35] Gekko : takimg the cap off funding would bring it back no?
[2017-01-05 06:33:37] QuantFocus : Wouldn't increase cause the liquidations?
[2017-01-05 06:33:45] elmorte : Is USD slipping against other currencies as well or just CNH?
[2017-01-05 06:33:54] MikeHunt : immackay: also did u let the negative RoE get Out of control?
[2017-01-05 06:34:02] BitMEX_Sam : QuantFocus: Increase in IM would not affect existing positions, but a higher funding rate would, so any such change would have to be done very carefully
[2017-01-05 06:34:24] Speran49 : MikeHunt: where do fees rape you for 50x?
[2017-01-05 06:34:25] QuantFocus : ah ok
[2017-01-05 06:34:25] BitMEX_Sam : An increase in IM requirements = a decrease in initial leverage
[2017-01-05 06:34:39] QuantFocus : would MM be increased as well?
[2017-01-05 06:34:47] BitMEX_Sam : Likely no.
[2017-01-05 06:35:01] QuantFocus : cause that would also screw positions
[2017-01-05 06:35:19] MikeHunt : Speran49: fees are effectivly 50x
[2017-01-05 06:35:48] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Sam: anyhow, sounds like you guys are giving it some time to evolve
[2017-01-05 06:35:57] MikeHunt : eg: bitcoin = 1000$, you put $1000 @ x50, thats 50k contracts, effectively 0.375% x50
[2017-01-05 06:36:05] immackay : MikeHunt: I've done a lot of studying over the last couple weeks since my big loss
[2017-01-05 06:36:24] MikeHunt : immackay: the ammount it has to go up b4 u realise profit is quite high
[2017-01-05 06:36:29] BitMEX_Sam : Right; we are evaluating all possible improvements and any changes will be made with the utmost care and advance warning.
[2017-01-05 06:36:40] immackay : MikeHunt: true
[2017-01-05 06:36:41] BitMEX_Sam : I'm off to bed; Arthur will be here overnight. Happy trading everyone.
[2017-01-05 06:36:54] immackay : MikeHunt: I'm not using it right now if that's what you're asking
[2017-01-05 06:37:04] MikeHunt : immackay: you need to make sure u calculate A) btc will go higher than fee amount b) corrections on the way dont liq you
[2017-01-05 06:37:04] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Sam: thanks sam, take care
[2017-01-05 06:37:14] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: night bud!
[2017-01-05 06:37:26] immackay : MikeHunt: yeah, I thought that went without saying?
[2017-01-05 06:38:08] MikeHunt : immackay: i didnt know that at first hence i lost 1btc
[2017-01-05 06:38:14] MikeHunt : immackay: just making sure u knew
[2017-01-05 06:38:38] immackay : MikeHunt: yeah I think originally I probably lost a rather small amount from fees but I noticed fairly quickly
[2017-01-05 06:38:56] immackay : all in short guys let's go
[2017-01-05 06:41:17] Speran49 : yuan just madea new low
[2017-01-05 06:41:28] Speran49 : we can't really breakdown till that stops
[2017-01-05 06:42:07] rapidtrades : wow yuan at 6.78
[2017-01-05 06:42:59] elmorte : The spread between finex and Huobi according to the CNH rate is $150!
[2017-01-05 06:43:04] immackay : oh well, I'll play more tomorrow
[2017-01-05 06:43:14] immackay : cheers guys
[2017-01-05 06:43:37] MikeHunt : Speran49: its fake
[2017-01-05 06:43:49] Speran49 : MikeHunt: ?
[2017-01-05 06:43:49] MikeHunt : Speran49: PBOC sets number
[2017-01-05 06:43:55] MikeHunt : Speran49: its not market price
[2017-01-05 06:44:00] elmorte : MikeHunt: not the CNH
[2017-01-05 06:44:26] Speran49 : MikeHunt: so its not causing btc to go higher? I think it still has a very real impact. More asian want out of yuan so they go into btc as yuan goes down
[2017-01-05 06:45:02] thomaskikansha : CNH is market price CNY is PBOC price
[2017-01-05 06:46:02] m3s : can I short bitstamp stock ?
[2017-01-05 06:46:06] elmorte : yup...and CNH is getting stronger, which runs contrary to the bull market logic
[2017-01-05 06:46:35] l3f : So uhnn what's wrong with bitstamp?
[2017-01-05 06:47:04] MikeHunt : elmorte: CNH is also fake
[2017-01-05 06:47:14] MikeHunt : elmorte: CNH runs on sentiment
[2017-01-05 06:47:34] MikeHunt : elmorte: actual value of CNY is hidden behind corruption
[2017-01-05 06:47:48] elmorte : MikeHunt: it's real enough for me, I use it regularly as a refernce
[2017-01-05 06:47:50] MikeHunt : elmorte: bitcoin seems to suggest the real value may be a lot lower
[2017-01-05 06:47:56] l3f : BitMEX_Arthur: will bitmex do anything about bitstamp?
[2017-01-05 06:48:06] l3f : it's messing up the index by being illiquid
[2017-01-05 06:48:17] MikeHunt : elmorte: problem in china is your avg chang doesnt have a choice but to use CNY
[2017-01-05 06:48:25] elmorte : MikeHunt: That is true
[2017-01-05 06:48:40] elmorte : But suggesting bitcoin is more real than CNH or CNY is far out :)
[2017-01-05 06:48:41] j8 : index doesn't even matter anymore, swap has a life of its own
[2017-01-05 06:49:31] l3f : Who trades on bitstamp?
[2017-01-05 06:49:40] arbitrage001 : j8: can be a good thing for some
[2017-01-05 06:49:46] arbitrage001 : <----
[2017-01-05 06:50:10] m3s : l3f: you can trade there ?
[2017-01-05 06:50:18] arbitrage001 : shorted too early, tend to be mistake most traders make
[2017-01-05 06:50:22] m3s : :D
[2017-01-05 06:50:27] l3f : m3s: no as in it's not moving
[2017-01-05 06:50:29] l3f : at all
[2017-01-05 06:50:51] m3s : i know, was a joke
[2017-01-05 06:51:09] arbitrage001 : funding rate is unsustainable across all exchanges
[2017-01-05 06:51:16] arbitrage001 : this will not end well
[2017-01-05 06:51:19] arbitrage001 : for long
[2017-01-05 06:51:36] mariomarco : arbitrage001: how do we abuse this
[2017-01-05 06:51:41] arbitrage001 : if adl kick in, short will not end well also
[2017-01-05 06:51:47] MikeHunt : arbitrage001: +1
[2017-01-05 06:51:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 2000 @ 9363.3
[2017-01-05 06:51:58] MikeHunt : i think im being raped on fees
[2017-01-05 06:52:21] MikeHunt : when does 1000 contracts @ x10 break even?
[2017-01-05 06:52:28] MikeHunt : entry at 1150
[2017-01-05 06:53:03] MikeHunt : interest iirc is $24 a day
[2017-01-05 06:53:07] shiroe : 4dollars.
[2017-01-05 06:53:33] BitMEX_Arthur : l3f: We will not be changing the index weights without a 14 day notice period, so for now it stays the same