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<< >> English 中文 Русский 한국어 日本語 Español Français [2017-01-05 05:03:38] rapidtrades : this is a joke [2017-01-05 05:03:54] arbitrage001 : MM already broke [2017-01-05 05:04:07] immackay : yeah that was a weak rally [2017-01-05 05:04:10] arbitrage001 : and i run out of money also [2017-01-05 05:04:14] rapidtrades : now even 50/1 cut won't fix this [2017-01-05 05:04:29] imapotato : I uhh... I'm watching something live [2017-01-05 05:04:30] MrRGnome : I'm not complaining or anything, this works for me. But if the goal of the funding mechanism is to get it to track mark, it is clearly failing spectacularly in its current context. [2017-01-05 05:04:31] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: it may [2017-01-05 05:04:38] imapotato : And the chat and the streamer are now discussing bitcoin. [2017-01-05 05:04:43] imapotato : Bitcoin is completely unrelated to the stream. [2017-01-05 05:04:50] imapotato : it's happening [2017-01-05 05:04:51] rapidtrades : 50/1 caps it at 1.35%? [2017-01-05 05:05:02] arbitrage001 : people who trade yield are very sentitive to interest rate [2017-01-05 05:05:04] rapidtrades : or 1.5%? [2017-01-05 05:05:20] imapotato : "it's too complicated of a currency to catch on" says the streamer [2017-01-05 05:05:32] immackay : "complicated" [2017-01-05 05:05:34] imapotato : "if the layman can't understand it, it won't work" [2017-01-05 05:05:37] imapotato : lmfao this is hilarious [2017-01-05 05:05:39] immackay : they'll learn eventually [2017-01-05 05:05:45] immackay : like [2017-01-05 05:05:46] imapotato : I think I died and went to heaven [2017-01-05 05:05:50] immackay : how is it complicated [2017-01-05 05:06:07] rapidtrades : it's too complicated maaan [2017-01-05 05:07:37] imapotato : is bitstamp dead? [2017-01-05 05:07:41] imapotato : or just the data feed on bitcoinwisdom? [2017-01-05 05:08:11] rms : you can try typing bitstamp.net into your computer to check [2017-01-05 05:08:13] rms : works for me [2017-01-05 05:08:20] immackay : it's up, just no trades for the last while [2017-01-05 05:08:23] immackay : for whatever reason [2017-01-05 05:08:42] imapotato : ok [2017-01-05 05:08:45] imapotato : that's an impressive flatline. [2017-01-05 05:08:50] MrRGnome : Americans are very hesitant [2017-01-05 05:08:55] rms : https://www.bitstamp.net/market/tradeview/ [2017-01-05 05:11:17] micmix : $25 premium, oh wow [2017-01-05 05:11:59] arbitrage001 : micmix: is your mm bot still running? [2017-01-05 05:12:08] micmix : of course [2017-01-05 05:12:12] rapidtrades : micmix: its $30... [2017-01-05 05:12:21] arbitrage001 : or better money to be make arbitrage between china and west [2017-01-05 05:12:35] micmix : $25 to mark, $30 to index [2017-01-05 05:12:49] rapidtrades : ok book reader [2017-01-05 05:12:52] immackay : minor dump I think incoming [2017-01-05 05:12:55] micmix : arb with china is difficult [2017-01-05 05:13:16] arbitrage001 : buying at finex and selling here also look extremely profitable [2017-01-05 05:13:19] arbitrage001 : or from bitstamp [2017-01-05 05:13:37] micmix : fiat transfers too slow [2017-01-05 05:13:53] arbitrage001 : 1 day fiat transfer normally [2017-01-05 05:14:03] rapidtrades : that's only europe dude [2017-01-05 05:14:15] micmix : 3-5 days for me [2017-01-05 05:14:20] micmix : best case [2017-01-05 05:14:23] immackay : yeah, my fiat transfers take 2-3 weeks [2017-01-05 05:14:24] MrRGnome : you pretty much need the amount you want to arb already sitting there so you don't need to wait for transfers [2017-01-05 05:14:25] immackay : kill me [2017-01-05 05:14:39] rapidtrades : usd transfers always that 3+ days cos they have to pass NY first [2017-01-05 05:15:17] arbitrage001 : use a bank that have direct access with interbank exchange [2017-01-05 05:15:29] Papou : wrekt shorts incoming [2017-01-05 05:15:33] arbitrage001 : hsbc, citi and etc [2017-01-05 05:15:44] Gekko : Use swapforex.com [2017-01-05 05:15:46] rapidtrades : in what country @arbitrage001 [2017-01-05 05:15:52] arbitrage001 : any country [2017-01-05 05:16:04] arbitrage001 : hsbc is fast but exoensive [2017-01-05 05:16:05] rapidtrades : in most countries u can't just open a bank account [2017-01-05 05:16:16] rapidtrades : without residency [2017-01-05 05:16:31] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: hsbc premier account [2017-01-05 05:16:32] l3f : rapidtrades: You can lol [2017-01-05 05:16:41] rapidtrades : l3f: lol no u can't [2017-01-05 05:16:44] l3f : open using a bank that has branches in that target country [2017-01-05 05:16:49] arbitrage001 : one primier account -- world wide premier account [2017-01-05 05:16:54] herecomedatboi : ayeeeeeeeeeee [2017-01-05 05:17:11] rapidtrades : l3f: lot of times braches are segregated [2017-01-05 05:17:23] rapidtrades : they act as their own bank basically [2017-01-05 05:17:32] boomerang : jesus up to 8800yuan almost [2017-01-05 05:17:50] rapidtrades : branches in different countries i mean [2017-01-05 05:17:53] l3f : Buy and hold just keeps winning [2017-01-05 05:17:58] rapidtrades : due to regulatory reasons etc [2017-01-05 05:18:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 20000 @ 9372.7 [2017-01-05 05:18:37] immackay : oh wow I look away for 10 seconds and it's gone up $5 [2017-01-05 05:18:54] immackay : mark still under 1150 lmao [2017-01-05 05:19:13] arbitrage001 : dont short if you dont know what you are doing [2017-01-05 05:19:16] Speran49 : ugh [2017-01-05 05:19:16] Speran49 : can't believe i got stuck in a short second night in a row [2017-01-05 05:19:30] l3f : buy and hold wins again [2017-01-05 05:19:44] arbitrage001 : till chinese new year [2017-01-05 05:19:47] Speran49 : if we plummet back down and ark doesnt update [2017-01-05 05:19:57] l3f : arbitrage001: Pump will end by then [2017-01-05 05:19:57] Speran49 : mark* short could still be okay [2017-01-05 05:20:23] immackay : pump will be done in the next week I'm guessing [2017-01-05 05:20:38] Speran49 : what happens if mark get to liquidation price but actual price is much higher? [2017-01-05 05:20:46] l3f : immackay: It will end when you least expect it [2017-01-05 05:20:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 96401 @ 1152.23 **MEGA-REKT** :boom: [2017-01-05 05:20:57] Speran49 : any extra consequences or we are just liquidated at that previous price [2017-01-05 05:21:11] l3f : Speran49: You lose the margin and also take on any losses from the trade [2017-01-05 05:21:40] l3f : So if you short 10 usd at 1000 and your liquidation is 1200 [2017-01-05 05:21:42] imapotato : they just keep shorting [2017-01-05 05:21:44] imapotato : fools [2017-01-05 05:21:57] arbitrage001 : here go insurance fund again [2017-01-05 05:21:57] Speran49 : imapotato shut the hell up [2017-01-05 05:21:58] Speran49 : you dont know shit about trading [2017-01-05 05:21:58] l3f : you lose your margin and 10*(1200-1000) [2017-01-05 05:22:10] Speran49 : i watched you talk the last few days and you're a complete moron [2017-01-05 05:22:27] immackay : lmfao [2017-01-05 05:22:31] l3f : lmao [2017-01-05 05:22:40] immackay : Speran49: you got stuck in a short buddy [2017-01-05 05:22:42] l3f : a lotta salt for a bad short [2017-01-05 05:22:45] immackay : I wouldn't be talking [2017-01-05 05:22:50] Speran49 : its not a big deal [2017-01-05 05:22:52] Speran49 : trade with 5% [2017-01-05 05:22:54] Speran49 : per trade [2017-01-05 05:22:58] Speran49 : not the end of the world [2017-01-05 05:23:50] immackay : as far as we can tell you know just as much if not less than imapotato [2017-01-05 05:24:15] rapidtrades : switch to the dark side and u'll be driving a Lamborghini by the end of the week @Speran49 [2017-01-05 05:24:49] rapidtrades : r/bitcoinmarkets told me this is going to 5k [2017-01-05 05:25:02] immackay : reddit is always right [2017-01-05 05:25:13] Speran49 : i was merely playing the fib level bounces [2017-01-05 05:25:18] Speran49 : this time it broke out [2017-01-05 05:25:26] Speran49 : that's all [2017-01-05 05:25:39] Speran49 : yuan dumped and now it's rallying because of that [2017-01-05 05:25:58] immackay : it's no big deal but you got all hot and bothered cause imapotato said shorts are fools [2017-01-05 05:26:04] immackay : ok [2017-01-05 05:26:06] rapidtrades : wow...yuan down to 6.83 [2017-01-05 05:26:13] Speran49 : hes been saying it the last few days [2017-01-05 05:26:13] Speran49 : its annoying [2017-01-05 05:26:20] immackay : well it's true [2017-01-05 05:26:30] immackay : it's hard to profit off shorts in a bull market [2017-01-05 05:26:35] Speran49 : it's true until it's not [2017-01-05 05:26:41] imapotato : 8800 [2017-01-05 05:26:46] Speran49 : this is going to come down hard when imapotato least expects it [2017-01-05 05:26:47] boomerang : theres the 8800 mark on OK [2017-01-05 05:26:50] rapidtrades : also sharp dollar losses past 2 days [2017-01-05 05:26:51] MikeHunt : 8888 => moon [2017-01-05 05:26:57] micmix : my bot made 10% per week during this rally from being short 90% of the time [2017-01-05 05:27:06] micmix : 10% per week in btc [2017-01-05 05:27:10] rapidtrades : nice [2017-01-05 05:27:13] Speran49 : damn [2017-01-05 05:27:14] 24hourz : Ba sounds like Fa [2017-01-05 05:27:17] 24hourz : ba ba ba [2017-01-05 05:27:25] immackay : micmix: damn [2017-01-05 05:27:40] Speran49 : well coded bot i guess [2017-01-05 05:27:50] Speran49 : i spent 100s of hours coding bots, but never had a consistently profitable one [2017-01-05 05:27:50] 24hourz : ballsey bot lol [2017-01-05 05:27:53] rapidtrades : micmix: 'this rally' since when [2017-01-05 05:28:02] imapotato : Are we going to do the predictable $30-$40 dip at 8887? [2017-01-05 05:28:12] micmix : since middle of december [2017-01-05 05:28:17] chromaticcr1 : good luck with 96401 @ 1166.79 [2017-01-05 05:28:21] rapidtrades : ok [2017-01-05 05:28:32] rapidtrades : that's a lot of books [2017-01-05 05:29:26] rapidtrades : yuan at 6.82 now [2017-01-05 05:29:34] imabeast : whoever is shorting right now u are out of your mind [2017-01-05 05:29:42] immackay : imabeast: i know I am [2017-01-05 05:29:50] imabeast : where u short from [2017-01-05 05:29:51] cookielito : I dont see why xbth17 [2017-01-05 05:29:51] imabeast : lol [2017-01-05 05:29:52] rapidtrades : well yuan moves say rally is BS [2017-01-05 05:29:58] cookielito : isnt being bought up like crazy [2017-01-05 05:30:00] MrRGnome : yep I'm short, it's a good hedge against my holdings [2017-01-05 05:30:16] immackay : sadly, 1160 or so [2017-01-05 05:30:17] imabeast : immackay: @MrRGnome goodluck to u both [2017-01-05 05:30:29] cookielito : godspeed gentlemen [2017-01-05 05:30:37] immackay : jumped on that funding train and didn't get out fast enough [2017-01-05 05:30:38] imapotato : >Are we going to do the predictable $30-$40 dip at 8887? [2017-01-05 05:30:47] MrRGnome : I'm net long overall, but short here [2017-01-05 05:30:48] imabeast : next leg up will be soon [2017-01-05 05:30:52] rapidtrades : http://news.forexlive.com/!/hk-offshore-yuan-overnight-borrowing-rate-fixed-at-its-highest-since-12jan2016-20170105 [2017-01-05 05:30:58] immackay : imapotato: potentially [2017-01-05 05:31:05] immackay : I wouldn't know [2017-01-05 05:31:22] rapidtrades : Hong Kong's offshore yuan overnight borrowing rate (HIBOR) has been fixed at 38.335% [2017-01-05 05:31:27] rapidtrades : that's gotta sting the shorts [2017-01-05 05:32:01] cookielito : rapidtrades: where do you see that? [2017-01-05 05:32:21] rapidtrades : in the link I JUST POSTED [2017-01-05 05:32:21] rms : can anyone recommend an iphone alarm app that will work for bitmex futures? [2017-01-05 05:32:33] javierstone : rapidtrades: hahahahaha [2017-01-05 05:32:49] immackay : rapidtrades: don't you love the trollbox? [2017-01-05 05:33:18] rapidtrades : I love some parts of it.... [2017-01-05 05:33:26] rapidtrades : not this part tho >>> @cookielito [2017-01-05 05:33:40] javierstone : i'd love to know the ages of everyone [2017-01-05 05:33:53] javierstone : and like yearbook photos [2017-01-05 05:33:53] cookielito : rapidtrades: Thanks [2017-01-05 05:33:57] Speran49 : probably 20 to 30s i bet [2017-01-05 05:33:58] immackay : 12 [2017-01-05 05:34:01] Speran49 : all male [2017-01-05 05:35:42] micmix : this is me: http://imgur.com/a/yBiKj [2017-01-05 05:36:07] immackay : hey that's me too [2017-01-05 05:36:23] MikeHunt : Speran49: are you volunteering to be the *pantomime* *dame* ? [2017-01-05 05:36:40] imapotato : higher highs in china [2017-01-05 05:37:04] Speran49 : @mikehunt lol [2017-01-05 05:37:12] MrRGnome : almost 8888!!! [2017-01-05 05:37:14] Speran49 : MikeHunt: lol [2017-01-05 05:37:14] imapotato : I think this one might touch 8888 (or 8887 and dip) [2017-01-05 05:37:40] Speran49 : i think im going to go eat a shoe [2017-01-05 05:38:08] Papou : late 20's here [2017-01-05 05:41:43] rms : xbth17 sell side order book here disappeared? [2017-01-05 05:42:03] Gekko : No sellers left [2017-01-05 05:42:10] Gekko : oh dear [2017-01-05 05:42:32] rapidtrades : loool yuan at 6.81 [2017-01-05 05:42:48] chromaticcr1 : Gekko: look at BTCC pro before you say that [2017-01-05 05:43:02] immackay : what is bitstamp doing [2017-01-05 05:43:04] immackay : holy shit [2017-01-05 05:43:16] MrRGnome : 8877 hoobs [2017-01-05 05:44:03] MrRGnome : 8885 it going to bounce off 8888 or explode upwards? [2017-01-05 05:44:11] immackay : did okcoin hit 8886? [2017-01-05 05:44:20] m3s : stamp just chilling [2017-01-05 05:44:42] MrRGnome : immackay: my chart says so [2017-01-05 05:44:43] l3f : m3s: they ran out of money days agio [2017-01-05 05:44:48] imabeast : close your shorts... [2017-01-05 05:44:52] imabeast : while u still have the chance [2017-01-05 05:44:53] imabeast : lmao [2017-01-05 05:44:58] chromaticcr1 : 8888 done on huobubu [2017-01-05 05:45:09] m3s : l3f: the buyers on the platform? [2017-01-05 05:45:15] MrRGnome : 8888 hit at okcasino [2017-01-05 05:45:17] l3f : m3s: there's no margin on stamp [2017-01-05 05:45:39] evilminer : 8888 tagged. [2017-01-05 05:45:42] m3s : l3f: in 2017 if papa SEC allows it [2017-01-05 05:45:48] evilminer : Party is over! [2017-01-05 05:45:48] m3s : l3f: or the eu equivalent [2017-01-05 05:46:27] rms : 8888 ! [2017-01-05 05:47:08] immackay : cool, short got closed and didn't lose all my money [2017-01-05 05:47:10] immackay : happy me [2017-01-05 05:47:34] MikeHunt : lucky [2017-01-05 05:47:49] MikeHunt : cant wait for big dip [2017-01-05 05:47:54] MikeHunt : cheap coins to feed my long [2017-01-05 05:48:11] rapidtrades : there are no new money anymore as u can see from the stamp lags [2017-01-05 05:48:26] MikeHunt : bitstamp is irrelevant [2017-01-05 05:48:26] m3s : shouldnt this correct at least for a day? [2017-01-05 05:48:32] MikeHunt : only problem is its buggering up the premiums [2017-01-05 05:48:40] immackay : m3s: throw all reason out the window [2017-01-05 05:48:41] MikeHunt : m3s: only if blackswan [2017-01-05 05:48:49] m3s : immackay: yeah i know [2017-01-05 05:48:49] rapidtrades : MikeHunt: ur mom is irrelevant yet i still pay her $5 [2017-01-05 05:49:04] immackay : yeah, seriously, can we get a different index/mark here? [2017-01-05 05:49:07] immackay : stamp is lame [2017-01-05 05:49:10] rapidtrades : NO [2017-01-05 05:49:12] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: your ignorance causes you frustration which you take out on others rather than spending such energy on educating yourself [2017-01-05 05:49:22] thomaskikansha : $25 premium on swap wow [2017-01-05 05:49:42] rapidtrades : its $29 [2017-01-05 05:49:57] MikeHunt : prem exists so china can capital fly [2017-01-05 05:50:05] MikeHunt : no prem no fly [2017-01-05 05:50:12] m3s : immackay: shitcoins seem like a sure bet at the moment. they barely budge when price moved 100$ and should rally when a correction happens [2017-01-05 05:50:27] immackay : m3s: yeah I think I might put more money into polo [2017-01-05 05:50:31] thomaskikansha : stamp just lagging too much [2017-01-05 05:50:45] immackay : seeing as how I can't even buy a 3x long atm on swap [2017-01-05 05:50:52] rapidtrades : it's not lagging anything dummy [2017-01-05 05:51:08] rapidtrades : ur all fomoing on margin like idiots [2017-01-05 05:51:53] m3s : thomaskikansha: maybe cause EU still asleep [2017-01-05 05:52:14] immackay : oh wait yes I can i'm just retarded [2017-01-05 05:52:37] immackay : oh sad [2017-01-05 05:52:41] immackay : why didn't I hold my short [2017-01-05 05:52:43] immackay : fuck [2017-01-05 05:52:46] immackay : oh well [2017-01-05 05:53:34] Speran49 : come on $30 dump [2017-01-05 05:53:36] Speran49 : COME ONNNN [2017-01-05 05:53:37] rms : so... london banks open soon? [2017-01-05 05:53:54] Speran49 : i seriously need it down below 1150 to exit this accursed short [2017-01-05 05:56:05] MikeHunt : Speran49: didnt we tell u earlier not to do that? [2017-01-05 05:56:16] j8 : looks like the insurance fund for the swap is empty [2017-01-05 05:56:49] Speran49 : lol' [2017-01-05 05:56:57] Speran49 : MikeHunt: i been in this short for like 4 hrs [2017-01-05 05:57:00] MikeHunt : j8: wen this dumps, get out of town [2017-01-05 05:57:05] MikeHunt : Speran49: bad idea [2017-01-05 05:57:10] MikeHunt : Speran49: whats ur RoE? [2017-01-05 05:57:21] j8 : but the dumps are the most fun [2017-01-05 05:57:29] Speran49 : MikeHunt: .09 xbt atm [2017-01-05 05:57:44] MikeHunt : Speran49: how many btc did you short with? [2017-01-05 05:57:55] arbitrage001 : j8: the insurance fund is gone? [2017-01-05 05:58:02] Speran49 : MikeHunt: :| 25 [2017-01-05 05:58:06] rowrow : how do you check the fund? [2017-01-05 05:58:14] arbitrage001 : cuz the liqudation price didnt move? [2017-01-05 05:58:16] j8 : well the liquidations are just sitting there now, normally they get pushed into the book [2017-01-05 05:58:24] arbitrage001 : j8: i see [2017-01-05 05:58:27] MikeHunt : Speran49: leverage? [2017-01-05 05:58:27] Speran49 : MikeHunt: oh my ROE is -40% [2017-01-05 05:58:33] rowrow : but if someone buys it, it disappears as well i believe [2017-01-05 05:58:33] Speran49 : MikeHunt: 50x [2017-01-05 05:58:35] arbitrage001 : so, everyone trading swap is affected now [2017-01-05 05:58:38] MikeHunt : Speran49: jesus [2017-01-05 05:58:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 2551 @ 1313.76 [2017-01-05 05:58:53] arbitrage001 : bitmex needs to take measure before things go out of propotion [2017-01-05 05:59:14] MikeHunt : Speran49: swap or march contract? [2017-01-05 05:59:20] Speran49 : MikeHunt: i doubled my money the other day. Deposited that backt o my bank acct and ive just been playing iwth my winning. No biggie. I'm learning a few things. [2017-01-05 05:59:30] MikeHunt : arbitrage001: bitmex wasnt around for 2013 bubble was it? [2017-01-05 05:59:37] Speran49 : MikeHunt: swap [2017-01-05 05:59:58] Speran49 : MikeHunt: only reason this thing is still on is becasue of the messed up mark price on swaps [2017-01-05 06:00:30] MikeHunt : Speran49: i learnt the hard way shorting as well [2017-01-05 06:00:35] MikeHunt : Speran49: albeit not so heavily [2017-01-05 06:00:43] Speran49 : MikeHunt: its not a ton of money lol [2017-01-05 06:00:49] MikeHunt : Speran49: only benefit from holding your position is the interest you get [2017-01-05 06:01:08] Speran49 : MikeHunt: well if it comes back down and i exit then it's not so bad either [2017-01-05 06:01:13] MikeHunt : Speran49: but since its 50x ur gonna get liq imo [2017-01-05 06:02:04] Speran49 : MikeHunt: mark is sitting at 1146. Constantly drops fast. Something odd is going on. Also this rally wasn't as strong. I think well see a pullback at least to 1150 so i can exit this [2017-01-05 06:02:22] Papou : it will retrace to low 1000 or 900's [2017-01-05 06:02:29] Papou : before we pump in a few months to 1500+ [2017-01-05 06:02:34] MikeHunt : Speran49: imo this could go as high as 10k usd [2017-01-05 06:02:38] Speran49 : MikeHunt: look at how at least on bitmex it was on declining volume [2017-01-05 06:02:44] jedisatoshi : is everyone unable to request withdraw right now? [2017-01-05 06:02:48] MikeHunt : Speran49: bitmex is in decline anyways [2017-01-05 06:02:53] rapidtrades : GUYS WE'RE GOING TO 10K [2017-01-05 06:02:56] MikeHunt : Speran49: after hack they've been on the way out [2017-01-05 06:03:02] mutato : are the books always this spready? [2017-01-05 06:03:06] Speran49 : MikeHunt: what do ppl use instaed? [2017-01-05 06:03:19] Speran49 : MikeHunt: and yeah i know. My company is long bitcoin and owns around 30 or so. [2017-01-05 06:03:22] rapidtrades : he means bitfinex not bitmex [2017-01-05 06:03:22] MikeHunt : Speran49: typically china buys at okc/huobi then dumps on western exchanges [2017-01-05 06:03:33] XBTXBTXBT : I love the 3 year cup and handle [2017-01-05 06:03:41] MikeHunt : Speran49: hence the prem. [2017-01-05 06:03:49] imapotato : no dump at 8887? [2017-01-05 06:03:50] imapotato : moon time [2017-01-05 06:04:32] Speran49 : MikeHunt: interesting [2017-01-05 06:06:34] cookielito : So, I just had withdrawals disabled on my account [2017-01-05 06:06:37] cookielito : wtf? [2017-01-05 06:06:47] MikeHunt : cookielito: ? [2017-01-05 06:06:54] MikeHunt : cookielito: we all locked in? [2017-01-05 06:07:11] cookielito : I dont know [2017-01-05 06:07:15] javierstone : cookielito: i just got one confirmed at 12:20 [2017-01-05 06:07:17] MikeHunt : cookielito: error message? [2017-01-05 06:07:26] cookielito : Withdrawals have been temporarily disabled on this account. Please contact support. [2017-01-05 06:07:40] MikeHunt : cookielito: have you withdrawn a lot lately? [2017-01-05 06:07:50] cookielito : not too much [2017-01-05 06:07:54] cookielito : twice today [2017-01-05 06:08:15] javierstone : ha thats prolly alot [2017-01-05 06:08:47] cookielito : whatever [2017-01-05 06:09:09] javierstone : i like that they send "all withdrawls byhand" [2017-01-05 06:09:16] javierstone : makes me think there's some orchard where they pick them [2017-01-05 06:10:05] cookielito : ok [2017-01-05 06:10:11] cookielito : support@bitmex.com [2017-01-05 06:10:11] cookielito : ? [2017-01-05 06:10:14] jedisatoshi : I just submitted a ticket [2017-01-05 06:10:39] jedisatoshi : I am unable to withdraw at this time is it due to maint or something? [2017-01-05 06:11:06] jedisatoshi : cookielito: I am getting the same thing glad to see its not just me [2017-01-05 06:11:31] elmorte : wow, CNH up to 6.82 [2017-01-05 06:11:35] BitMEX_Arthur : jedisatoshi: Can you send a screenshot of what you are seeing to support@bitmex.com [2017-01-05 06:11:45] cookielito : sent [2017-01-05 06:11:50] jedisatoshi : BitMEX_Arthur: yes sir [2017-01-05 06:12:27] elmorte : j8: how are you doing man? [2017-01-05 06:12:41] rowrow : BitMEX_Arthur: are there any updates on the funding rate cap? if my thinking is correct, it's quite a major problem [2017-01-05 06:12:55] j8 : elmorte: pretty great start to the year [2017-01-05 06:13:10] elmorte : end of the last one too! [2017-01-05 06:13:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `REP7D`: buy 1068 @ 0.004572 [2017-01-05 06:13:38] MKARAMI : What do you think about the closing point of today? [2017-01-05 06:13:48] elmorte : j8: any way to pick your brain on some python questions? [2017-01-05 06:13:56] j8 : sure [2017-01-05 06:14:21] 2102 : No withdraw available!! Why??? [2017-01-05 06:14:26] MKARAMI : Do you have any guess? [2017-01-05 06:14:51] BitMEX_Arthur : rowrow: No updates as nothing will be happening without a large notice period. [2017-01-05 06:14:55] jedisatoshi : BitMEX_Arthur: I just sent the support ticket with the screenshot [2017-01-05 06:14:58] BitMEX_Arthur : Thanks [2017-01-05 06:15:03] elmorte : j8: my questions are quite noobish...any way to contact you privately? [2017-01-05 06:15:19] jedisatoshi : BitMEX_Arthur: Thank you for responding so quickly! [2017-01-05 06:15:35] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Arthur: would an increase in funding rate be associated with a decrease in leverage allowed? [2017-01-05 06:15:42] QuantFocus : sorry if you already answered [2017-01-05 06:16:13] j8 : elmorte: i could go on irc i guess, probably going to bed soon though [2017-01-05 06:16:22] 2102 : Withdrawal are currently disabled! Arthur why? [2017-01-05 06:16:34] BitMEX_Greg : 2102: We are looking into it [2017-01-05 06:17:09] elmorte : j8: I'm there, elmo_irc [2017-01-05 06:17:14] elmorte : appreciate it [2017-01-05 06:17:18] BitMEX_Arthur : 2102: Don't worry we rolled out a function to help us better track withdrawals, we are fixing it now. Your coins are safe [2017-01-05 06:17:44] l3f : Better not gox me [2017-01-05 06:18:22] jedisatoshi : BitMEX_Arthur: I wasnt too worried I love Bitmex! Thank you for your help! [2017-01-05 06:18:31] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Arthur: safe *with* *us* ? ;) [2017-01-05 06:18:48] QuantFocus : l3f: lol [2017-01-05 06:18:49] elmorte : it's a multisig wallet [2017-01-05 06:18:50] BitMEX_Greg : l3f: Short the potential fall out here with 100x. (kidding, everything is fine) [2017-01-05 06:18:57] mariomarco : is anybody else seeing the bug with orders on chart [2017-01-05 06:19:05] 2102 : Thanks. [2017-01-05 06:19:12] BitMEX_Greg : mariomarco: What bug do you see? [2017-01-05 06:19:14] rowrow : there appears to be a liquidation that's been sitting there for 20 minutes [2017-01-05 06:19:15] mariomarco : orders are not show on chart or are still displayed after they are canceled [2017-01-05 06:19:22] l3f : BitMEX_Greg: Shorting a bitcoin rally is the last thing I'd do [2017-01-05 06:19:37] elmorte : can't rally forever [2017-01-05 06:19:47] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Greg: how long do you guys expect 160btc to last when this dumps? [2017-01-05 06:19:54] rms : shorting a bitcoin rally to make more bitcoins... on a hypothetical exchange that lost all the bitcoins. let's do it! [2017-01-05 06:20:14] BitMEX_Greg : MikeHunt: Where do you get the 160btc number from [2017-01-05 06:20:22] elmorte : Don't worry, you get mexcoins in compensation [2017-01-05 06:20:26] elmorte : They can call them...pesos [2017-01-05 06:20:30] BitMEX_Greg : haha [2017-01-05 06:20:31] QuantFocus : hahahah [2017-01-05 06:20:32] mariomarco : elmorte: lolo [2017-01-05 06:20:40] MikeHunt : lol [2017-01-05 06:20:44] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Greg: insurance fund? [2017-01-05 06:20:57] BitMEX_Greg : Ah right, it is split between different contracts [2017-01-05 06:21:10] BitMEX_Greg : Once it runs out, then if the liquidations are not filled then ADL will occur [2017-01-05 06:21:34] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Greg: so probably not long then? [2017-01-05 06:21:52] BitMEX_Greg : We haven't had any ADL on the way up btw [2017-01-05 06:22:08] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Greg: i think you will on the way down when the panic sets in [2017-01-05 06:22:10] mariomarco : MikeHunt: are there any problem with liquidations? [2017-01-05 06:22:26] immackay : meanwhile my altcoin account is doing better than this one [2017-01-05 06:22:28] immackay : god damnit [2017-01-05 06:22:29] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Greg: its the titanic & lifeboats analogy , 16 wasnt enough there, 160 wont be here imo [2017-01-05 06:22:43] immackay : why did december have to be so bad for me [2017-01-05 06:22:44] mariomarco : lool [2017-01-05 06:22:58] immackay : thanks china [2017-01-05 06:22:59] mariomarco : immackay: yuore not alone bro [2017-01-05 06:23:09] MikeHunt : there will be a black swan at some point, its inevitable [2017-01-05 06:23:12] MikeHunt : same with iceberg thingie [2017-01-05 06:23:16] rowrow : so status of withdrawals is that they are or aren't working at the moment? [2017-01-05 06:23:18] BitMEX_Greg : MikeHunt: Perhaps, who knows until it happens. We have quite good liquidity here. It's better than the DPE however [2017-01-05 06:23:19] immackay : made 4 btc in a day, lost it all.... kill me [2017-01-05 06:23:23] Speran49 : i lost 6k trading in my normal market acct cause of december shenanigans [2017-01-05 06:23:45] Speran49 : i think something was going on with the planets and magnetic fields. Idk anyone that made money. [2017-01-05 06:23:49] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Greg: so basically its ok until its not? LOL [2017-01-05 06:23:52] BitMEX_Greg : rowrow: We rolled out a fix earlier to track withdrawals and must have hit the wrong switch. We are on the solution now [2017-01-05 06:23:59] javierstone : Speran49: its mercury in retrograde [2017-01-05 06:24:01] rowrow : k [2017-01-05 06:24:05] immackay : I'm down at 0.01 in this account now [2017-01-05 06:24:09] immackay : put it all on long [2017-01-05 06:24:13] immackay : let's do it [2017-01-05 06:24:38] mariomarco : 100x You Only Leverage Once [2017-01-05 06:24:40] mariomarco : YOLO [2017-01-05 06:24:46] Speran49 : something tells me Immackay youre not using proper risk management [2017-01-05 06:25:00] Speran49 : never trade more than 5% of your acct in any one trade [2017-01-05 06:25:04] MikeHunt : immackay: ur total balance is 0.01? [2017-01-05 06:25:20] immackay : Speran49: I didn't when I first started, back in december [2017-01-05 06:25:29] immackay : MikeHunt: yup, up from 0.006 [2017-01-05 06:25:44] MikeHunt : immackay: did u get rekt or something? [2017-01-05 06:25:46] MikeHunt : what u start with? [2017-01-05 06:25:46] 2102 : Bitmex..... We don't need another Gox!! ? [2017-01-05 06:26:01] immackay : Speran49: I had gone on holiday in december and din't have time to watch the markets and just continued to make bad trade after bad trade [2017-01-05 06:26:07] m3s : 2102: what you talking about [2017-01-05 06:26:28] Speran49 : immackay: yeah it happens sorry to hear :( [2017-01-05 06:26:31] immackay : MikeHunt: started with like 0.2, went up to 4.2, then down to 0.006 [2017-01-05 06:26:37] Speran49 : immackay: i lost 6k in the normal markets so i feel your pain big time [2017-01-05 06:26:41] immackay : thanks to the very first drop [2017-01-05 06:26:52] MikeHunt : 2102: gox serves as an example of not to run with cash, apparently gox owner is getting shafted in jap prison [2017-01-05 06:26:53] immackay : I don't really care, I just want to get back in the game [2017-01-05 06:26:59] immackay : but it's difficult with 0.01 [2017-01-05 06:27:13] immackay : and I'm not willing to put in any more money, that's just dumb of me at this point [2017-01-05 06:27:22] mariomarco : MikeHunt: dropsoap style EYOO [2017-01-05 06:27:39] immackay : so I shall wait this out [2017-01-05 06:27:48] immackay : let my alts grow a little [2017-01-05 06:28:37] BitMEX_Sam : 2102: The issue is fixed. [2017-01-05 06:28:39] mariomarco : "alts" "grow" "a little" [2017-01-05 06:28:40] Speran49 : at is whee its at [2017-01-05 06:28:48] Speran49 : alts grow a lot if youre smart [2017-01-05 06:28:58] Speran49 : we started with $600 2 years ago [2017-01-05 06:29:05] Speran49 : acct is now at over $8000 [2017-01-05 06:29:45] immackay : mariomarco: not sure what your point is [2017-01-05 06:30:20] immackay : Speran49: yeah, I started with 0.1 in my alt account, it's going up slowly [2017-01-05 06:30:34] immackay : only started trading last month (which is likely why I fucked up hardcore) [2017-01-05 06:30:45] Speran49 : wow yeah you need to take your time [2017-01-05 06:30:52] immackay : should have just held my bitcoin through this rally [2017-01-05 06:30:57] Speran49 : ive been at this for 6 years and im still not that good at it lol [2017-01-05 06:31:02] immackay : eh, it's a learning experience and I don't really mind [2017-01-05 06:31:05] 2102 : Many thanks BitMex! Great support here. [2017-01-05 06:31:08] MikeHunt : immackay: did you have leverage on that long? [2017-01-05 06:31:11] immackay : I haven't lost much [2017-01-05 06:31:24] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Sam: @BitMEX_Greg can you guys confirm, would a funding rate increase be accompanied by a reduction in leverage? [2017-01-05 06:31:32] Speran49 : likely heading down here [2017-01-05 06:31:34] Speran49 : https://www.tradingview.com/x/Iu03OJqi/ [2017-01-05 06:31:39] immackay : MikeHunt: yeah, when I made the 4 btc I used 100x leverage lol [2017-01-05 06:31:54] immackay : then bought again at the top cause I was giddy from winnning [2017-01-05 06:32:03] MikeHunt : immackay: they say you only 100x once [2017-01-05 06:32:08] MikeHunt : immackay: then ur x.x [2017-01-05 06:32:09] immackay : lesson one: don't do that [2017-01-05 06:32:15] BitMEX_Sam : QuantFocus: We have not decided on a mechanism just yet; but increasing the funding rate per interval would require increasing initial margin to prevent instant liquidations [2017-01-05 06:32:17] MikeHunt : immackay: im doing 10x but that's calculated [2017-01-05 06:32:33] Speran49 : https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%207-d&q=bitcoin [2017-01-05 06:32:37] BitMEX_Sam : We will give ample notice if and when any changes are made [2017-01-05 06:32:38] Speran49 : ^this is also important [2017-01-05 06:32:45] rowrow : are you guys still seeing the 96401 liquidation at 1162 from like an hour ago? [2017-01-05 06:32:46] Speran49 : to determine btc sentiment [2017-01-05 06:32:48] immackay : MikeHunt: I still use 50x once in a while [2017-01-05 06:32:55] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Sam: ok thanks [2017-01-05 06:32:56] Speran49 : 50x is the best imo [2017-01-05 06:33:00] Gekko : Swap versus index kinda crazy ATM...makes me not want to trade something as divorced from reality [2017-01-05 06:33:19] j8 : BitMEX_Sam: can you confirm that the insurance fund for the swap is empty? [2017-01-05 06:33:21] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Sam: wait, an increase in initial margin requirements? or reduction? [2017-01-05 06:33:30] MikeHunt : immackay: i wouldnt use it unless ur calculating ahead or the fees will rape you [2017-01-05 06:33:35] Gekko : takimg the cap off funding would bring it back no? [2017-01-05 06:33:37] QuantFocus : Wouldn't increase cause the liquidations? [2017-01-05 06:33:45] elmorte : Is USD slipping against other currencies as well or just CNH? [2017-01-05 06:33:54] MikeHunt : immackay: also did u let the negative RoE get Out of control? [2017-01-05 06:34:02] BitMEX_Sam : QuantFocus: Increase in IM would not affect existing positions, but a higher funding rate would, so any such change would have to be done very carefully [2017-01-05 06:34:24] Speran49 : MikeHunt: where do fees rape you for 50x? [2017-01-05 06:34:25] QuantFocus : ah ok [2017-01-05 06:34:25] BitMEX_Sam : An increase in IM requirements = a decrease in initial leverage [2017-01-05 06:34:39] QuantFocus : would MM be increased as well? [2017-01-05 06:34:47] BitMEX_Sam : Likely no. [2017-01-05 06:35:01] QuantFocus : cause that would also screw positions [2017-01-05 06:35:19] MikeHunt : Speran49: fees are effectivly 50x [2017-01-05 06:35:48] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Sam: anyhow, sounds like you guys are giving it some time to evolve [2017-01-05 06:35:57] MikeHunt : eg: bitcoin = 1000$, you put $1000 @ x50, thats 50k contracts, effectively 0.375% x50 [2017-01-05 06:36:05] immackay : MikeHunt: I've done a lot of studying over the last couple weeks since my big loss [2017-01-05 06:36:24] MikeHunt : immackay: the ammount it has to go up b4 u realise profit is quite high [2017-01-05 06:36:29] BitMEX_Sam : Right; we are evaluating all possible improvements and any changes will be made with the utmost care and advance warning. [2017-01-05 06:36:40] immackay : MikeHunt: true [2017-01-05 06:36:41] BitMEX_Sam : I'm off to bed; Arthur will be here overnight. Happy trading everyone. [2017-01-05 06:36:54] immackay : MikeHunt: I'm not using it right now if that's what you're asking [2017-01-05 06:37:04] MikeHunt : immackay: you need to make sure u calculate A) btc will go higher than fee amount b) corrections on the way dont liq you [2017-01-05 06:37:04] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Sam: thanks sam, take care [2017-01-05 06:37:14] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: night bud! [2017-01-05 06:37:26] immackay : MikeHunt: yeah, I thought that went without saying? [2017-01-05 06:38:08] MikeHunt : immackay: i didnt know that at first hence i lost 1btc [2017-01-05 06:38:14] MikeHunt : immackay: just making sure u knew [2017-01-05 06:38:38] immackay : MikeHunt: yeah I think originally I probably lost a rather small amount from fees but I noticed fairly quickly [2017-01-05 06:38:56] immackay : all in short guys let's go [2017-01-05 06:41:17] Speran49 : yuan just madea new low [2017-01-05 06:41:28] Speran49 : we can't really breakdown till that stops [2017-01-05 06:42:07] rapidtrades : wow yuan at 6.78 [2017-01-05 06:42:59] elmorte : The spread between finex and Huobi according to the CNH rate is $150! [2017-01-05 06:43:04] immackay : oh well, I'll play more tomorrow [2017-01-05 06:43:14] immackay : cheers guys [2017-01-05 06:43:37] MikeHunt : Speran49: its fake [2017-01-05 06:43:49] Speran49 : MikeHunt: ?