This is a mirror of the original BitMEX trollbox archive that used to be online here.
BitMEX disabled their archive after the DDOS attack so I have decided to make my mirror publicly available.

Well now, a few days after I made this mirror available to the public, the original archive from BitMEX is online again.
But since it is still limited (neutered to the last few hundred messages) I will keep my FULL mirror alive.

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[2017-01-04 19:42:38] jung1 : yes
[2017-01-04 19:42:41] jung1 : punk pink
[2017-01-04 19:42:49] lockhedge : Adriana: wrong account sleger
[2017-01-04 19:43:11] Adriana : lockhedge: I am not sleger
[2017-01-04 19:43:13] jung1 : btw bitmex trollbox shold be rename as PROBOX
[2017-01-04 19:43:22] sleger : lockhedge: see
[2017-01-04 19:43:31] lockhedge : lol
[2017-01-04 19:43:35] rowrow : rollercoaster.gifv
[2017-01-04 19:43:49] wurstgelee : haha
[2017-01-04 19:43:57] justinlooking : 8188 okc low!
[2017-01-04 19:44:06] Milkman : the lack of dumping on xbth17 is amazing
[2017-01-04 19:44:10] imapotato : Feels good to not be bothered by a $30 dip
[2017-01-04 19:44:22] Milkman : $119 premium now
[2017-01-04 19:44:29] wurstgelee : feels good to not be long in a $30 dip
[2017-01-04 19:44:32] wurstgelee : :p
[2017-01-04 19:44:33] rowrow : imapotato: clearly you aren't greedy enough
[2017-01-04 19:45:05] wurstgelee : Milkman: xbth17 is sticking to quarterlies @ okc
[2017-01-04 19:45:08] wurstgelee : simple as that
[2017-01-04 19:45:18] imapotato : This would be a good time to buy myself back up to 4x
[2017-01-04 19:45:23] rowrow : 5 blocks ago there was a period of 50 minutes between blocks, was wondering if that was holding the sell-tide
[2017-01-04 19:45:37] Milkman : let me check bitcoin days destroyed
[2017-01-04 19:45:47] rapidtrades : 70000000000000000000000000000
[2017-01-04 19:46:00] imapotato : If not for the high premium atm
[2017-01-04 19:46:05] Milkman : only 2 semi big blocks
[2017-01-04 19:46:48] m3s : exited, waiting for funding to reenter
[2017-01-04 19:47:35] sleger : funding is barely $4, keep things in perspective
[2017-01-04 19:47:37] Derreck : we are good
[2017-01-04 19:47:44] Milkman : $1234.56 nice price
[2017-01-04 19:47:52] rowrow : every $3.75 counts
[2017-01-04 19:48:02] rowrow : $4* you were righter'
[2017-01-04 19:48:03] rapidtrades : sleger: stop it
[2017-01-04 19:48:08] wurstgelee : this is gonna be a bumpy right from here i guess......
[2017-01-04 19:48:10] rapidtrades : DUMP THE PREMIUM TO 1112
[2017-01-04 19:48:21] rapidtrades : DO IT NAO
[2017-01-04 19:48:53] rowrow : i was hoping for a crazy liquidation but it didn't happen, guess no one went too crazy buying the rise
[2017-01-04 19:49:05] WarWarBanana : how do I set stop loss for shorts?
[2017-01-04 19:49:13] sleger : etc wins
[2017-01-04 19:49:26] rowrow : click the dots next to stop market
[2017-01-04 19:49:56] aaaaa : down guys
[2017-01-04 19:50:28] imapotato : Put in my order to bump long closer to 4x, but order book went above it
[2017-01-04 19:50:43] imapotato : I'll let it sit, and maybe fill
[2017-01-04 19:52:12] MikeHunt : another down and then we should be up up
[2017-01-04 19:52:14] Papou : do u guys think we see 1200 again?
[2017-01-04 19:52:29] MikeHunt : Papou: 2k maybe
[2017-01-04 19:52:39] rowrow : 93% chance it'll occur in the next 2 years
[2017-01-04 19:52:40] Papou : lol no way man
[2017-01-04 19:52:50] Papou : 2k would be INSANE
[2017-01-04 19:52:50] Milkman : waiting for Bitfinex ATH and Stamp ATH and the fomo over 1200
[2017-01-04 19:53:07] rowrow : Milkman: any idea how close we got to ATH on those sites?
[2017-01-04 19:53:09] Dynamix : so many people are saying 2k haha
[2017-01-04 19:53:10] MikeHunt : Milkman: may have to wait until china's had breakfast
[2017-01-04 19:54:04] Milkman : rowrow: $35 Bitfinex
[2017-01-04 19:54:14] y1uy : why doesnt bitmex change mark price?
[2017-01-04 19:54:16] Papou : 2k would just be a nice round even number
[2017-01-04 19:54:18] Milkman : $24 stamp
[2017-01-04 19:54:39] rowrow : you guys are gonna be so jealous when funding comes
[2017-01-04 19:54:47] Milkman : 1046 users here. welcome everyone.
[2017-01-04 19:54:58] Milkman : keep longing xbth17. many riches in the future to you
[2017-01-04 19:56:42] imapotato : Milkman: +1 but keep it low leverage
[2017-01-04 19:56:45] aaaaa : the price will spike after funding
[2017-01-04 19:57:13] Baseballman : Bot some H17 this morning - went to a meeting for a couple hours .... and holy shite!
[2017-01-04 19:57:19] Milkman : i wouldnt get caught shorting swap right now
[2017-01-04 19:57:32] Milkman : end up in rektville
[2017-01-04 19:58:18] aaaaa : markets fighting
[2017-01-04 19:58:32] Milkman : mfw i just made 0.0133 BTC opening a long at the bottom of that dump
[2017-01-04 19:58:36] bingbongfly : no dump before funding ? :(
[2017-01-04 19:58:43] sleger : i think quoine is broken
[2017-01-04 19:58:51] MrRGnome : Any word on when/if the decision to change the leverage/funding on swap might come?
[2017-01-04 19:58:52] bingbongfly : Milkman: congratulations! :)
[2017-01-04 19:59:01] sleger : they coded the pump bot in reverse gear
[2017-01-04 19:59:03] abbey : lots of noobs been rekted today
[2017-01-04 19:59:12] sleger : MrRGnome: not yet
[2017-01-04 19:59:14] Apocalyptic : sleger: happens
[2017-01-04 19:59:14] Milkman : incoming long funding. enjoy
[2017-01-04 19:59:19] sleger : they said they will give ample warning
[2017-01-04 19:59:23] bingbongfly : Milkman: mfw I managed to long the flashcrash on xbh17 at 1050 earlier today, amazing <3
[2017-01-04 19:59:36] Milkman : bingbongfly: i closed my long at 1101 and longed at 1070
[2017-01-04 19:59:46] Milkman : high five
[2017-01-04 19:59:46] bingbongfly : Milkman: nice one
[2017-01-04 19:59:47] aaaaa : crazy funding rate
[2017-01-04 19:59:57] Milkman : funding in 5 seconds
[2017-01-04 20:00:00] Milkman : people fomoing in
[2017-01-04 20:00:08] jung1 : 8400 here we go!
[2017-01-04 20:00:23] startChat : bitmex_sam: trigger price still not updating on certain rows until refresh
[2017-01-04 20:00:27] Milkman : so many open contracts on swap
[2017-01-04 20:00:30] aaaaa : wtf is this?
[2017-01-04 20:00:52] MrRGnome : sleger: I wonder what ample means or how long a 10+ dollar disparity needs to exist. it would be nice if they codified the conditions which would prompt a change.
[2017-01-04 20:00:55] Apocalyptic : aaaaa: it's called a chinapump
[2017-01-04 20:01:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 15000 @ 1128.84
[2017-01-04 20:01:06] Apocalyptic : and it's been happening for days
[2017-01-04 20:01:07] imapotato : > Buys 1000 1232.58 ---
[2017-01-04 20:01:07] sleger : MrRGnome: i asked, didnt get an answer
[2017-01-04 20:01:10] imapotato : :'(
[2017-01-04 20:01:15] imapotato : y u no fill
[2017-01-04 20:01:27] sleger : MrRGnome: they did say something along "if the 10$ premium persists...."
[2017-01-04 20:01:28] aaaaa : is great chinapump!
[2017-01-04 20:01:46] sleger : @wurstgelee told you
[2017-01-04 20:01:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: sell 344 @ 0.001556
[2017-01-04 20:02:01] MrRGnome : sleger: yeah I read that, I guess I'll just try to watch the trollbox/announcement window. Thanks.
[2017-01-04 20:02:08] wurstgelee : sleger: i already switched back to long (with my short closed in profit) ;)
[2017-01-04 20:02:15] wurstgelee : before funding
[2017-01-04 20:02:17] brojo : hey so when i request a withdrawal
[2017-01-04 20:02:21] Derreck : China wakes up?
[2017-01-04 20:02:24] Milkman : damn nice ETC pump
[2017-01-04 20:02:27] brojo : it isnt done until utc 13?
[2017-01-04 20:02:35] Milkman : right
[2017-01-04 20:02:36] brojo : all done at once?
[2017-01-04 20:02:39] Milkman : got like 16 hours
[2017-01-04 20:02:41] Derreck : BTC is heading to 1200
[2017-01-04 20:02:51] Milkman : yeah all withdraws done by hand at once
[2017-01-04 20:02:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 3000 @ 1137.07
[2017-01-04 20:02:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 300 @ 1137.28
[2017-01-04 20:02:54] brojo : thats annoying i cant move money into a something else
[2017-01-04 20:03:01] Milkman : you got alts here brojo
[2017-01-04 20:03:12] Milkman : ZEC is calling your name
[2017-01-04 20:03:12] brojo : yeah but futures right
[2017-01-04 20:03:14] brojo : are there spot
[2017-01-04 20:03:21] Milkman : just futures
[2017-01-04 20:03:29] brojo : i am + 14btc today on china
[2017-01-04 20:03:30] imapotato : I should have bought the dip outright rather than hoping for a limit bid to fill. Oh well.
[2017-01-04 20:03:33] ayy_lmao : 1k users...
[2017-01-04 20:03:34] ayy_lmao : lol
[2017-01-04 20:03:40] Milkman : i know. this place is popping
[2017-01-04 20:04:27] justinlooking : THY WILL BE REKT
[2017-01-04 20:04:28] imapotato : Now I'm not even quite 3x long... Fuck you, profit
[2017-01-04 20:04:43] MrRGnome : Whats the record for 24h turnover here? I know we already broke it once this bubble
[2017-01-04 20:04:58] BitMEX_Greg : I believe this is the record now
[2017-01-04 20:05:02] BTC-Noob : who is actually reporting on those forced liquidations, is that a service from bitmex lol
[2017-01-04 20:05:05] MrRGnome : grats @BitMEX_Greg
[2017-01-04 20:05:17] sleger : BTC-Noob: its micmix bot
[2017-01-04 20:05:20] imapotato : BTC-Noob: it's a user's boy
[2017-01-04 20:05:20] m3s : BitMEX_Greg: gg grats
[2017-01-04 20:05:23] BitMEX_Greg : :clap:
[2017-01-04 20:05:26] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Greg: time for that ample warning greg
[2017-01-04 20:05:37] imapotato : BitMEX_Greg: y'all deserve the volume, grats
[2017-01-04 20:05:49] MrRGnome : or at least a definition of what ample is or what you guys need to see before you make a decision.
[2017-01-04 20:05:55] BTC-Noob : sleger: @imapotato wow thats actually very cool
[2017-01-04 20:06:33] jung1 : fake
[2017-01-04 20:06:37] sleger : MrRGnome: +1
[2017-01-04 20:06:39] BitMEX_Greg : Thanks guys, will pass the message on. I know everyone has worked really hard to get here and we appreciate everyone's loyalty to us
[2017-01-04 20:06:40] dodic : BitMEX; great exchange or greatest exchange
[2017-01-04 20:06:42] jung1 : once I was talking with REKT on trollbox
[2017-01-04 20:06:53] sleger : We need clear rules !
[2017-01-04 20:07:03] MrRGnome : sleger: +1
[2017-01-04 20:07:09] rapidtrades : +2
[2017-01-04 20:07:15] breadfan : <3<3
[2017-01-04 20:07:16] jung1 : and gifs inside trollbox
[2017-01-04 20:07:27] jung1 : and memes
[2017-01-04 20:07:38] imapotato : More memes please
[2017-01-04 20:07:48] MrRGnome : transparency in the decision making process and a set of clear rules that allow users to anticipate these changes to instruments during extreme market conditions would be helpful.
[2017-01-04 20:07:48] Milkman : i introduced many people to bitmex and helped many others on reddit
[2017-01-04 20:07:53] jung1 : and blood on the market
[2017-01-04 20:08:02] Milkman : in hopes they longed and increased the premium.
[2017-01-04 20:08:07] Milkman : seemed to work
[2017-01-04 20:08:13] jung1 : yeah
[2017-01-04 20:08:39] jung1 : sharing knowlege about bitmex is as cool as bitcoin itself
[2017-01-04 20:08:55] Headroom : BitMEX_Greg: You there ?
[2017-01-04 20:09:09] BitMEX_Greg : Headroom: Sure am
[2017-01-04 20:09:22] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: and now ?
[2017-01-04 20:09:25] sleger : still there ?
[2017-01-04 20:09:31] sleger : (just curious)
[2017-01-04 20:09:31] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: Yes
[2017-01-04 20:09:37] Headroom : Ho nice, I'm waiting to have the informations to be connected to to bitmex with sierra (live trade, beta something I heard)
[2017-01-04 20:09:53] jung1 : down again?
[2017-01-04 20:10:11] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 200 @ 8808.7
[2017-01-04 20:10:14] Milkman : nooo btc where you going
[2017-01-04 20:10:20] Milkman : ah there we go
[2017-01-04 20:10:41] Milkman : finex and stamp having a harder time getting back up to where they were
[2017-01-04 20:10:49] BitMEX_Greg : Headroom: I'll talk to Sam, he may be tied up
[2017-01-04 20:10:50] abbey : xbtusd + 2015% ROE, feels great
[2017-01-04 20:11:08] Headroom : Ok, I'm waiting in front of the naked sierra :
[2017-01-04 20:11:11] Headroom : :D
[2017-01-04 20:11:15] jung1 : that is bad actually @Milkman . I do not trus china so much
[2017-01-04 20:11:20] Milkman : BitMEX_Greg: do you know anything about the leaderboard calculations? or how often it is updated
[2017-01-04 20:11:27] sleger : quoine is fixed now, price coming back up
[2017-01-04 20:12:04] Milkman : Top 25 Traders by ROE must be different by now
[2017-01-04 20:12:44] BitMEX_Greg : Milkman: Not too sure on the frequency of that, perhaps every 8 or 24 hours. I will find out
[2017-01-04 20:13:04] Milkman : good no downtime tomorrow
[2017-01-04 20:13:04] j8 : daily at noon utc i think
[2017-01-04 20:13:49] Milkman : i'm gonna see if i can make it on there but i dont know what i need to do exactly. there are no instructions on the requirements
[2017-01-04 20:14:04] bingbongfly : Milkman: is the scheduled downtime off?
[2017-01-04 20:14:10] Milkman : yeah bingbongfly
[2017-01-04 20:14:32] bingbongfly : sweet!
[2017-01-04 20:14:39] Milkman : although i have an event same time the downtime was scheduled tomorrow. so it would have worked out great for me
[2017-01-04 20:15:17] BitMEX_Greg : bingbongfly: Yes it has been postponed, please see the announcements by clicking the sound horn icon at the top next to the Flag symbol
[2017-01-04 20:15:30] rapidtrades : lol degen gamblers
[2017-01-04 20:18:04] imapotato : I'm not gambling you're gambling
[2017-01-04 20:18:51] sleger : quoine price crashed again, it's just free money there
[2017-01-04 20:19:39] rapidtrades : how is it 'free money'
[2017-01-04 20:19:57] Milkman : set low buy orders...wait
[2017-01-04 20:19:57] Rado2 : rapidtrades: he has orders low and gets filled I guess
[2017-01-04 20:20:05] Milkman : insta profit
[2017-01-04 20:21:02] sleger : rapidtrades: keeps bouncing low and high
[2017-01-04 20:21:19] sleger : and we're talking 200$ moves
[2017-01-04 20:21:24] sleger : and you do get filled
[2017-01-04 20:21:43] abbey : edit: xbtusd ROE 4024%
[2017-01-04 20:21:44] sleger : *100$ moves
[2017-01-04 20:22:34] rapidtrades : smth not right with that exchange
[2017-01-04 20:23:17] thomaskikansha : no MM no free money :(
[2017-01-04 20:25:00] thomaskikansha : bitflyer at like 135K Yen?
[2017-01-04 20:25:14] Rado2 : abbey: It's no good on paper
[2017-01-04 20:25:17] Rado2 : need to realize it
[2017-01-04 20:25:57] abbey : I know
[2017-01-04 20:26:29] abbey : bite by bite
[2017-01-04 20:26:32] jung1 : any1 going long?
[2017-01-04 20:26:48] rapidtrades : lol? at 1140?
[2017-01-04 20:26:54] imapotato : I'm trying to bump my long to 4x
[2017-01-04 20:27:40] REKT : Close your longs, close your shorts, choppy waters ahead!
[2017-01-04 20:27:40] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 115035 @ 1114.79 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2017-01-04 20:28:07] j8 : nice flash
[2017-01-04 20:28:16] imapotato : Lol
[2017-01-04 20:28:23] thomaskikansha : REKT: hello
[2017-01-04 20:28:37] y1uy : ithe fuck
[2017-01-04 20:28:41] y1uy : what just happened
[2017-01-04 20:28:44] y1uy : i nearly got a heart attack
[2017-01-04 20:29:00] BTCDJS : y1uy: long or short?
[2017-01-04 20:29:00] BitMEX_Greg : Looks like Ok.coin just had a wick down
[2017-01-04 20:29:04] y1uy : long
[2017-01-04 20:29:38] jung1 : huobubobu fighting with 3400
[2017-01-04 20:30:03] m3s : the f happened ? lol
[2017-01-04 20:30:15] Milkman : https://cryptowat.ch/okcoin/btcusd
[2017-01-04 20:30:17] Milkman : dumped $42
[2017-01-04 20:30:17] m3s : bitmex bots sold cause of okcasino?
[2017-01-04 20:30:24] y1uy : ty greg
[2017-01-04 20:30:27] j8 : so much more liquidity on swap than the underlying
[2017-01-04 20:30:30] thomaskikansha : liq price 1% lower from mark??
[2017-01-04 20:30:30] imapotato : China waking up in a few hours
[2017-01-04 20:31:26] MikeHunt : imapotato: 9k me thinks ;)
[2017-01-04 20:31:44] jung1 : ah fck this im going long
[2017-01-04 20:32:03] Milkman : so hard to get in a position now. price can swing either way with ease
[2017-01-04 20:32:43] MikeHunt : Milkman: lot of headroom to go up
[2017-01-04 20:33:04] Milkman : okcoin usd orderbook is empty. it's like no one trades there
[2017-01-04 20:33:05] MikeHunt : if china is asleep it cant go down too much unless bots decide to
[2017-01-04 20:33:08] lockhedge : BitMEX_Greg: my mm bot received a >9000 milliseconds timeout during that flash crash at 20:27:34.093 UTC
[2017-01-04 20:33:36] BitMEX_Greg : lockhedge: I'll bring it up with Sam when he's online
[2017-01-04 20:33:55] lockhedge : BitMEX_Greg: thanks
[2017-01-04 20:34:35] johndoe : okcoin USD had only 20 BTC traded on that flash crash
[2017-01-04 20:35:17] johndoe : seriously gotta consider putting bitfinex back into the index
[2017-01-04 20:35:33] Milkman : coinbase or gemini
[2017-01-04 20:35:56] j8 : coinbase has my vote
[2017-01-04 20:36:08] y1uy : none
[2017-01-04 20:36:12] j8 : gemini wouldn't help much at all
[2017-01-04 20:36:13] thomaskikansha : okc dipped to 1088 wtf
[2017-01-04 20:37:43] Rado2 : lockhedge: this trading is a really good test for my MM bot
[2017-01-04 20:38:00] jung1 : Rado2: Hi rado!
[2017-01-04 20:38:16] Rado2 : jung1: hey
[2017-01-04 20:38:36] jung1 : how is your eth bot?
[2017-01-04 20:41:24] justinlooking : Rado2: production testing ftw!
[2017-01-04 20:43:54] aaaaa : cheap coins
[2017-01-04 20:44:00] aaaaa : there
[2017-01-04 20:44:53] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: what @johndoe said. i dont like finex either but....
[2017-01-04 20:44:58] MrRGnome : crazy to think that 1000 is the new psychological floor for usd.
[2017-01-04 20:45:13] wurstgelee : volume. current volume of the index is ...well...laughable ;)
[2017-01-04 20:45:55] PARAFFIN : Short question. I have a short position open with ROE 104%. But i can only close the position when the bitmex price hits the 1112$ with that profit right?
[2017-01-04 20:46:17] QuantFocus : yes
[2017-01-04 20:46:22] sleger : no
[2017-01-04 20:46:25] sleger : you can close it whenever
[2017-01-04 20:46:31] QuantFocus : but not for that profit
[2017-01-04 20:46:32] sleger : but you wont have the same profit
[2017-01-04 20:46:34] sleger : ok
[2017-01-04 20:46:35] lockhedge : Rado2: yeah, it's a great stress test environment for a mm bot, but still relatively low volatility compared to June
[2017-01-04 20:47:59] sleger : china 100$ premium now
[2017-01-04 20:48:05] rapidtrades : don't u dare bring back that cancer exchange into the index
[2017-01-04 20:48:20] brojo : rapidtrades: whats that
[2017-01-04 20:48:29] rapidtrades : china's nuts basically
[2017-01-04 20:48:50] Milkman : damn xbth17 dropping. plz pump. i didnt close my long when it was 20 higher
[2017-01-04 20:49:02] Milkman : fucking 0kcoin usd and bearstamp dragging it down
[2017-01-04 20:49:06] inconspic : epic dump inc
[2017-01-04 20:49:40] wurstgelee : no
[2017-01-04 20:49:55] rapidtrades : DUMP IT ON TZE GERMAN
[2017-01-04 20:50:10] Milkman : lets see if china wants down or not. seems everyone else does
[2017-01-04 20:50:48] inconspic : 1030-1040 target
[2017-01-04 20:50:53] Yuppie : quick question: if I get liquidated, does it only affect the margin which I put into the trade at fixed margin?
[2017-01-04 20:50:55] imapotato : $124 premium on quarterlies is crazy.
[2017-01-04 20:50:58] inconspic : on spot that is
[2017-01-04 20:51:09] wurstgelee : inconspic: that would be a retrace but not an "epic dump"
[2017-01-04 20:51:16] rapidtrades : sleger: 81 okc 3m premium...i think they capped it again
[2017-01-04 20:51:37] rapidtrades : didn't stop their miner buddies from getting rekted earlier tho
[2017-01-04 20:51:42] inconspic : wurstgelee: it's all relative :p
[2017-01-04 20:51:47] rapidtrades : 10 f*cking million
[2017-01-04 20:52:07] wurstgelee : inconspic: yeah, less that 10ß% shouldnt be called epic tho :)
[2017-01-04 20:52:15] alejandromasari : I wish we bitmex had opitons so we can calculate the implied volatility
[2017-01-04 20:52:46] rapidtrades : try deribit
[2017-01-04 20:53:18] wurstgelee : also lol @ bearfinex
[2017-01-04 20:54:18] wurstgelee : $26 premium xbtusd ;)
[2017-01-04 20:54:23] rapidtrades : https://www.deribit.com/main#/options
[2017-01-04 20:54:49] wurstgelee : there it goes
[2017-01-04 20:54:53] Milkman : who the fuck is longing with a $148 premium on h17
[2017-01-04 20:55:04] rapidtrades : who? mad men
[2017-01-04 20:55:06] imapotato : $143 quarterly premium ffs
[2017-01-04 20:55:15] Milkman : bot gone wild
[2017-01-04 20:55:16] imapotato : I want to BTFD but not for that premium
[2017-01-04 20:55:17] Milkman : short and hope for a dump
[2017-01-04 20:55:34] m3s : imapotato: what does that mean? im not trading futures but would like to understand
[2017-01-04 20:56:07] abbey : profit takin @ bitstamp.. then up
[2017-01-04 20:56:46] imapotato : m3s: the XBTH17 futures contract is trading at about $143 above the "real", current BTC price.
[2017-01-04 20:57:02] rapidtrades : 53% annialized is not a lot tbh
[2017-01-04 20:57:49] rowrow : as an average expectation it would be
[2017-01-04 20:57:50] aethlios : 120 usd china premium
[2017-01-04 20:58:28] abbey : china as well, first down, then up to new high again.. stairs
[2017-01-04 20:58:44] imapotato : rapidtrades: spot down $40 and quarterly fell like $10
[2017-01-04 20:59:29] rapidtrades : watch or the hack announcement
[2017-01-04 20:59:46] rapidtrades : they'll do it to bailout their miner buddies
[2017-01-04 20:59:57] rapidtrades : but will prove to be no big thing
[2017-01-04 21:00:04] Gr33d : ripcoin
[2017-01-04 21:01:14] sleger : eth is now flat when btc goes up and goes up when btc goes down, very bullish
[2017-01-04 21:01:35] rapidtrades : sleger noone will invest in that shit
[2017-01-04 21:01:40] aethlios : sleger: anyone buys anything.
[2017-01-04 21:01:55] sleger : aethlios: did your move your bids up from 800 ?
[2017-01-04 21:01:58] rms : that was actually the bull signal i would have wanted to get back into eth
[2017-01-04 21:02:01] Milkman : xbth17 so bullish. $138 premium. a mega dump will be epic
[2017-01-04 21:02:17] aethlios : sleger: i will put them fib 36% from top.
[2017-01-04 21:02:23] imapotato : The West is dumping so hard and China just trading straight sideways, wtf
[2017-01-04 21:02:33] Sasukeevil : shorting has never been so easy
[2017-01-04 21:02:34] JamesPolo : bitfinex 1090
[2017-01-04 21:02:38] Derreck : wtf id happening
[2017-01-04 21:02:39] sleger : aethlios: ok so following the price but below
[2017-01-04 21:02:43] aethlios : i mean 64 retrace of the move from 465
[2017-01-04 21:02:47] sleger : seems more reasonable
[2017-01-04 21:02:47] rms : i think it's a really big deal that chinese state news covered bitcoin today in a neutral way
[2017-01-04 21:02:47] Dynamix : How low can this go
[2017-01-04 21:03:00] sleger : Dynamix: buy now
[2017-01-04 21:03:10] abbey : big bounce incoming within couple of hours or minutes
[2017-01-04 21:03:11] JamesPolo : Dynamix: hoq long before china wakes up?
[2017-01-04 21:03:18] Derreck : abbey: hope so
[2017-01-04 21:03:22] Dynamix : hoq ? ;D
[2017-01-04 21:03:30] rapidtrades : bitcoin restrictions are coming, im now 90% sure of it
[2017-01-04 21:03:30] JamesPolo : Dynamix: hoq.
[2017-01-04 21:03:35] rms : they wake up at 5:30AM from my experience here
[2017-01-04 21:03:44] rms : but clearly some of their traders never went to sleep. :)
[2017-01-04 21:04:10] kekkyojin : rapidtrades: restrictions in China?
[2017-01-04 21:04:11] aethlios : 12% china premium, almost highest ever, but in niminal 125 usd is highest.
[2017-01-04 21:04:19] Headroom : *praying for the Sam's return*
[2017-01-04 21:04:24] rapidtrades : kekkyojin: yes
[2017-01-04 21:04:59] rapidtrades : Yuan surged higher today yet bitcoin is rallying, its the only possible reason
[2017-01-04 21:05:27] rapidtrades : the chinese will implement new capital controls and bitcoin will be part of it
[2017-01-04 21:05:35] chuvancito : this sucks
[2017-01-04 21:05:59] MrRGnome : chuvancito: what sucks about a $1100+ btc?
[2017-01-04 21:06:06] sleger : then i will sell my bitcoins in china, get yuan, buy a lot of 10c tshirts, ship them to europe, sell them and buy bitcoins cheap
[2017-01-04 21:06:10] kekkyojin : rapidtrades: thank you for the explanation
[2017-01-04 21:06:15] l3f : aethlios: well?
[2017-01-04 21:06:16] rapidtrades : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-04/bitcoin-hits-an-all-time-high-as-currency-controls-drive-fear
[2017-01-04 21:06:20] l3f : it has exploded as expected
[2017-01-04 21:06:22] chuvancito : liquidation is abouts all your money, no your position. This exchange sucks
[2017-01-04 21:06:38] cookielito : hahaha
[2017-01-04 21:06:39] l3f : we'll probably retrace before taking on 10k though
[2017-01-04 21:06:41] cookielito : careful man
[2017-01-04 21:06:41] brojo : what is a good place to park money if you think btc going to drop
[2017-01-04 21:06:45] brojo : LTC?
[2017-01-04 21:06:47] QuantFocus : is this real?
[2017-01-04 21:06:53] QuantFocus : $35 premium on swap?
[2017-01-04 21:06:54] QuantFocus : wtf
[2017-01-04 21:07:00] rms : lol, yeah, no one ever loses money with litecoin
[2017-01-04 21:07:01] MrRGnome : chuvancito: Sounds like maybe you didn't understand what you were doing when you entered your position. It's a complicated platform with a significant learning curve
[2017-01-04 21:07:01] cookielito : QuantFocus: thios is all a simulation
[2017-01-04 21:07:08] l3f : QuantFocus: 100x shining through
[2017-01-04 21:07:08] Kalman : chuvancito: youre right; better a sound and safe exchenge
[2017-01-04 21:07:15] brojo : rms: does it correlate to btc market?
[2017-01-04 21:07:44] QuantFocus : oh, nm i was looking at the wrong shit
[2017-01-04 21:07:46] sleger : QuantFocus: check your math
[2017-01-04 21:07:55] QuantFocus : still $25
[2017-01-04 21:08:00] QuantFocus : ish
[2017-01-04 21:08:02] aaaaa : fuck
[2017-01-04 21:08:05] aaaaa : fuck you
[2017-01-04 21:08:08] chuvancito : MrRGnome: how can i learn about this platform. I mean, i know how to trade, but this exchange take me by sorprice
[2017-01-04 21:08:10] aaaaa : fucking
[2017-01-04 21:08:27] Kalman : chuvancito: what about reading first
[2017-01-04 21:08:30] brojo : QuantFocus: what alt would you go into if you think btc pulls back 10-20%
[2017-01-04 21:08:30] rapidtrades : BITMEX FIX THE F*cKING SWAP
[2017-01-04 21:08:30] aaaaa : this is awesome
[2017-01-04 21:08:43] aaaaa : go up!
[2017-01-04 21:08:45] QuantFocus : brojo: eth, rep, ltc
[2017-01-04 21:08:46] aaaaa : go down!
[2017-01-04 21:08:50] aaaaa : crazy shit
[2017-01-04 21:08:56] Derreck : go sideways!
[2017-01-04 21:08:56] breadfan : this http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-02/bitcoin-surges-above-1000-china-unveils-new-capital-controls
[2017-01-04 21:08:57] QuantFocus : i wanna say xmr, but with the run it's already on
[2017-01-04 21:08:57] rapidtrades : sleger: can u believe this shit?
[2017-01-04 21:09:04] MrRGnome : chuvancito: The issue isn't knowing how to trade, the issue is understanding the nature of the instrument you are trading. It's not an exchange you are trading, but a swap derivative.
[2017-01-04 21:09:31] rapidtrades : $32 on swap is highest ever
[2017-01-04 21:09:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: buy 11 @ 0.016055
[2017-01-04 21:09:37] aethlios : l3f: fine!!
[2017-01-04 21:09:39] rapidtrades : and now its 37
[2017-01-04 21:09:50] sleger : rapidtrades: check your math
[2017-01-04 21:09:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: buy 70 @ 0.016297
[2017-01-04 21:10:08] Milkman : nice pump xmr
[2017-01-04 21:10:11] rapidtrades : ah sorry was looking at march
[2017-01-04 21:10:13] MrRGnome : rapidtrades: what? where are you seeing 37 usd diff?
[2017-01-04 21:10:16] Milkman : should have jumped over and longed it
[2017-01-04 21:10:17] MrRGnome : ahhh
[2017-01-04 21:10:30] rapidtrades : $19 is still high
[2017-01-04 21:10:43] aaaaa : sideways
[2017-01-04 21:10:48] imabeast : i would long here for a quick scalp
[2017-01-04 21:11:04] imabeast : hit previous resistance at 1005
[2017-01-04 21:11:45] Milkman : i shorted xbth17 to see if this dump kills the premium for nice gains
[2017-01-04 21:11:55] Milkman : but bullbot may keep price up
[2017-01-04 21:12:09] brojo : shorted china --- against my strategy but seems like the right play right now
[2017-01-04 21:12:23] brojo : and long litecoin 1x contracts
[2017-01-04 21:12:47] chuvancito : MrRGnome: trading what ? sorry but i dont understand what are u saying bro
[2017-01-04 21:13:44] JamesPolo : was 1200 just a dream?
[2017-01-04 21:14:13] fineregex : i have a proposal to make to the bitcoin community! 1. unite, trade a common strategy. fix the price at $10000 it will help people convert to USD in their decimal minds , as a side effect we can save ourselfes all the tedious/obscene trading activites
[2017-01-04 21:14:26] fineregex : for years to come
[2017-01-04 21:15:00] jung1 : fineregex: sounds good. Feel free to pu 5bln $ into the ecosystem
[2017-01-04 21:15:06] kekkyojin : fineregex: isn't that manipulation of the markets?
[2017-01-04 21:15:06] MrRGnome : chuvancito: It's cool. Just understand that you are trading a unique financial instrument, not BTC for USD. You can learn more here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2017-01-04 21:15:07] jung1 : +put
[2017-01-04 21:15:25] fineregex : kekkyojin: it only works if its real
[2017-01-04 21:16:28] imabeast : long
[2017-01-04 21:16:35] rapidtrades : IT WORKS IF ITS REAL
[2017-01-04 21:16:37] imabeast : from 1005
[2017-01-04 21:16:49] Milkman : i give up on trying to short xbth17. bullbot loading up for next leg up i suppose
[2017-01-04 21:16:55] imabeast : dont short
[2017-01-04 21:17:02] imabeast : if u wanna short just hedge towards alts
[2017-01-04 21:17:03] imabeast : lol
[2017-01-04 21:17:32] rapidtrades : $20 PREMIUM surely u must be joking bitmex
[2017-01-04 21:17:34] rapidtrades : surely
[2017-01-04 21:17:46] Milkman : xbth17 premium will fall like $50 in a nice size dump. but that dump isnt right now
[2017-01-04 21:19:42] moo : Pump!
[2017-01-04 21:19:42] moo : 9k
[2017-01-04 21:19:49] gustavo7 : why premium tough? the CNY spots are way higher...
[2017-01-04 21:19:52] Gr33d : pumpinc
[2017-01-04 21:19:55] inconspic : uhmwhat
[2017-01-04 21:19:57] moo : CHINA ON A PUMP
[2017-01-04 21:20:05] wurstgelee : and now straight to now highs. just buttcorn things
[2017-01-04 21:20:08] wurstgelee : *new
[2017-01-04 21:20:19] gustavo7 : a) china has the hashrate and the trading volume to lead
[2017-01-04 21:20:27] imabeast : told ya...
[2017-01-04 21:20:29] imabeast : lmao
[2017-01-04 21:20:33] justinlooking : rapid
[2017-01-04 21:20:43] MrRGnome : sleger: did you ever get an answer on the swap insurance fund remaining?
[2017-01-04 21:20:44] justinlooking : THY WILL BE REKT
[2017-01-04 21:21:03] gustavo7 : b) or did something happen to the CNY/USD fx ?
[2017-01-04 21:21:05] wurstgelee : is rapid shorting the bull again?
[2017-01-04 21:21:21] wurstgelee : didnt he learn from last 2 bull runs?
[2017-01-04 21:21:25] Derreck : that was fast
[2017-01-04 21:21:25] IdeologieKritik : How are you supposed to ever buy in on a high margin if the mark price is so consistently below liquidation price?
[2017-01-04 21:22:07] imabeast : :)
[2017-01-04 21:22:29] BTCDJS : IdeologieKritik: you only buy on very high margin when its not
[2017-01-04 21:22:42] BTCDJS : best time to buy is bellow
[2017-01-04 21:22:50] moo : Huobi pumping like crazy
[2017-01-04 21:22:59] cookielito : watch how the chinese are about to wake up
[2017-01-04 21:23:05] sleger : good premium again ...
[2017-01-04 21:23:18] cookielito : here we go gentlemen
[2017-01-04 21:23:22] BTCDJS : IdeologieKritik: best time to short is now for example
[2017-01-04 21:23:31] imabeast : ready for the next leg up
[2017-01-04 21:23:33] imabeast : at least 175
[2017-01-04 21:23:36] BTCDJS : because of the high premium
[2017-01-04 21:23:45] imabeast : that dump was dirty
[2017-01-04 21:24:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 115000 @ 1112.12 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2017-01-04 21:24:05] moo : bear trap...
[2017-01-04 21:24:06] imabeast : looooool
[2017-01-04 21:24:10] MrRGnome : lololol
[2017-01-04 21:24:24] sleger : well he got liq at 1112 not at 1132 ....
[2017-01-04 21:24:32] sleger : so he wins
[2017-01-04 21:24:35] aaaaa : trend is your friend
[2017-01-04 21:24:39] moo : okcoin pumping and pumping
[2017-01-04 21:24:43] MrRGnome : Did it actually execute at 1112?
[2017-01-04 21:24:44] sleger : he buys at 1112 and can resell at 1132
[2017-01-04 21:25:10] imapotato : Gg
[2017-01-04 21:25:18] MrRGnome : sleger: I was pretty sure the mark price that triggered the liq was what was quoted, but the actual order could be very different depending ont he order book
[2017-01-04 21:25:39] QuantFocus : its sitting at 1126
[2017-01-04 21:25:48] sleger : it doesnt matter at this point the guy only had a fixed maintenance margin he cant lose more
[2017-01-04 21:25:55] sleger : the rest comes from somewhere else
[2017-01-04 21:25:59] sleger : insurance fund, ADL ...
[2017-01-04 21:26:08] MrRGnome : Sure, I'm just pretty sure that 1112 executed not at 1112 but above 1125
[2017-01-04 21:26:38] sleger : i dont think you understand the point
[2017-01-04 21:27:12] MrRGnome : I think you think I don't understand the point, but I think you're wrong,
[2017-01-04 21:27:39] sleger : MrRGnome: explain how to profit from premium > maintenance margin
[2017-01-04 21:27:43] rapidtrades : he's not wrong
[2017-01-04 21:28:22] MrRGnome : [14:24] sleger: he buys at 1112 and can resell at 1132
[2017-01-04 21:28:34] Noob : i got burned by selling at market - never again!
[2017-01-04 21:28:36] Noob : lesson learned
[2017-01-04 21:28:45] BTCDJS : MrRGnome: he was short
[2017-01-04 21:28:52] rapidtrades : meaning his short got margined there @MrRGnome
[2017-01-04 21:29:00] Milkman : lol xbth17 just dumped $15 MM up to games
[2017-01-04 21:29:10] MrRGnome : Yeah I understand that
[2017-01-04 21:29:18] MrRGnome : What I don't understand is the idea that he bought at 1112
[2017-01-04 21:29:20] rowrow : so does the forced liquidation stay on the book for a few seconds until trades stop or was my orderbook just frozen?
[2017-01-04 21:29:20] MrRGnome : He didn't
[2017-01-04 21:29:24] rapidtrades : u clearly don't
[2017-01-04 21:29:35] MrRGnome : The only way he effectively did is if his account was emptied by th eliquidation and the insurance fund ate the diff
[2017-01-04 21:29:43] MrRGnome : in which case he can't buy anything as sleger says his account is empty
[2017-01-04 21:29:58] rapidtrades : 2 accounts
[2017-01-04 21:30:01] rapidtrades : new deposit
[2017-01-04 21:30:06] rapidtrades : so many options
[2017-01-04 21:30:17] MrRGnome : Sure, and you're saying you think that's what happened?
[2017-01-04 21:30:19] sleger : you dont even need to have your account empty, isolating margin is enough
[2017-01-04 21:30:28] rapidtrades : ah yes
[2017-01-04 21:30:50] MrRGnome : sleger: If you isolate margin it will come out of your unisolated balance before the insurance fund or ADL if I understand correctly.
[2017-01-04 21:31:01] lockhedge : you don't
[2017-01-04 21:31:12] MrRGnome : You see people complaining about that here pretty often, says I was liquidated at price x bu the order was at price y
[2017-01-04 21:31:27] lockhedge : but you were right about the price
[2017-01-04 21:31:42] rapidtrades : but now its different cos premium so high
[2017-01-04 21:31:44] sleger : MrRGnome: if you had been nice in the past i would maybe explained, but you were always so arrogant pretending you understood everything so ... good luck
[2017-01-04 21:31:54] rapidtrades : it pays to be liquidated rn
[2017-01-04 21:32:20] rapidtrades : if short ofc
[2017-01-04 21:32:42] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: how?
[2017-01-04 21:33:23] MrRGnome : @sleger whatever you say, I'm not looking for you to explain anything I'm trying to as sensitively to your ego as possible introduce the reality that maybe you don't understand unisolated margin can be consumed in a liquidation.
[2017-01-04 21:34:10] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: if liquidated u get mark price+maintence margin
[2017-01-04 21:34:21] rapidtrades : this is < market price rn