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[2017-01-03 23:54:02] zach719 : duuuuuuuump
[2017-01-03 23:54:25] Milkman : china going the wrong way
[2017-01-03 23:54:31] QuantFocus : guys, there are no shorts to wreck
[2017-01-03 23:54:38] Milkman : new high bitfinex. nice fomo buy
[2017-01-03 23:54:44] QuantFocus : short usage is near the lowest it's ever been
[2017-01-03 23:55:06] PARAFFIN : QuantFocus: is this bad?
[2017-01-03 23:55:34] QuantFocus : no, but people that think margin calls are going to drive price are wrong
[2017-01-03 23:55:45] narnarfromnarnia : QuantFocus: it's coming down from here imo
[2017-01-03 23:55:53] Milkman : bitmex guys. why cant open interest show the # of contracts always. i hate having to hover over it to see it
[2017-01-03 23:56:01] hobolowbo : can someone help me figure out why my leverage used is going up even tho im in profit zone?
[2017-01-03 23:56:03] BitMEX_Greg : hobolowbo: It is based on Profit priority
[2017-01-03 23:56:11] BitMEX_Greg : hobolowbo: profit and leverage
[2017-01-03 23:56:32] hobolowbo : will i get liquidated if the price moved up from my buy price???
[2017-01-03 23:56:58] BitMEX_Greg : hobolowbo: Your leverage should decrease as your profit increases as your unrealised PNL adds to the margin of the position
[2017-01-03 23:57:28] hobolowbo : BitMEX_Greg: thats what i thought too... but when i started my position i had 3 green lights now i have 3 greens and one light green so 4 total
[2017-01-03 23:57:36] hobolowbo : and the price only went up from where i bought it at
[2017-01-03 23:57:45] hobolowbo : and so did the mark price...
[2017-01-03 23:57:51] BitMEX_Greg : hobolowbo: Please take a read of https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging#ADL-Priority-Deleveraging-Ranking
[2017-01-03 23:58:22] hobolowbo : BitMEX_Greg: i read this carefully before... and it makes no sense i have to say the margin calcultor
[2017-01-03 23:58:27] micmix : hobolowbo: it's not liquidation indicator, it's adl indicator
[2017-01-03 23:58:40] MikeHunt : wonder if this is timed to catch all the fomos and get them to buy last pump
[2017-01-03 23:59:54] micmix : hobolowbo: adl is like the opposite of liquidattion, your position is closed in profit because lots of other people got margin called
[2017-01-04 00:00:08] hobolowbo : oh
[2017-01-04 00:00:22] hobolowbo : micmix: should i have traded differently then?
[2017-01-04 00:00:57] imapotato : I should set up a bitmex data site and refer users with the affiliate program...
[2017-01-04 00:01:05] imapotato : Lots of neat data here to show.
[2017-01-04 00:01:05] micmix : hobolowbo: don't think so, just pay attention to your liquidation price showed under open positions
[2017-01-04 00:01:18] hobolowbo : micmix: ya i'm far from that
[2017-01-04 00:01:33] micmix : then you are fine
[2017-01-04 00:01:47] hobolowbo : micmix: so your'e saying the more ppl get liquidated for their position the less there are open positions that can support the unrealizsed theoretical profit i have right?
[2017-01-04 00:02:28] BitMEX_Sam : imapotato: That's a good idea
[2017-01-04 00:02:34] Milkman : MikeHunt: i wouldnt be surprised to see a massive amount of selling into the buying around 7800 cny until the buyers are exhausted and then the big dump
[2017-01-04 00:02:39] BitMEX_Sam : I haven't had the time to set up interesting visualizations but I could certainly show you how to get the data you need
[2017-01-04 00:02:51] micmix : hobolowbo: basically yes, and if you have high unrealized pnl and high leverage, you are higher on the list for adl
[2017-01-04 00:02:53] MikeHunt : Milkman: you think this can reach 7800 ?
[2017-01-04 00:03:06] MikeHunt : Milkman: you mean 7800 on xbc ?
[2017-01-04 00:03:08] hobolowbo : micmix: ok that makes perfect sense, thank you!
[2017-01-04 00:03:17] imapotato : BitMEX_Sam: I'm assuming the fee discount and fee commission don't count on negative fees? Would suck to get charged for referring somebody that only gets maker fees.
[2017-01-04 00:03:58] shiroe : 7500 incoming to 7600.
[2017-01-04 00:04:04] imapotato : eating $1040 on bitfinex
[2017-01-04 00:04:11] imapotato : 400 coins to chew
[2017-01-04 00:04:12] Milkman : 7800 cny on 0kcoin
[2017-01-04 00:04:23] BitMEX_Wally : imapotato: For the affiliate calculations we look at gross fees paid, not net
[2017-01-04 00:05:22] dannybreal : what are the chipper doji telling to you guys?
[2017-01-04 00:09:45] cryptobull : BitMEX_Wally: any way for me too see how many *active* referreals I've got?
[2017-01-04 00:10:43] justinlooking : i am failing at chrome inspector sam
[2017-01-04 00:11:19] BitMEX_Wally : cryptobull: Not at the moment, send us an email and we can probably dig out some more information for you
[2017-01-04 00:11:31] justinlooking : can i plug `td.isNew, td.isNew2 { animation: none !important; }` in somewhere or have to greasemonkey?
[2017-01-04 00:11:43] cryptobull : BitMEX_Wally: cool, thanks.
[2017-01-04 00:13:38] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Hit the `x` in the style inspector in the Elements tab
[2017-01-04 00:13:48] BitMEX_Sam : I'm assuming Chrome
[2017-01-04 00:14:27] BitMEX_Sam : By the way, Chrome/Chromium/Opera is much better on CPU on bmex in my experience
[2017-01-04 00:14:53] boomerang : btc/yuan making moves
[2017-01-04 00:15:07] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Same `+` though on FF in the Inspector tab
[2017-01-04 00:15:21] hobolowbo : BitMEX_Sam: you need help debugging somn in chrome?
[2017-01-04 00:15:24] hobolowbo : i can help
[2017-01-04 00:15:37] BitMEX_Sam : Nope - just a user wanting to disable animations to see if it will affect CPU
[2017-01-04 00:15:45] hobolowbo : oh
[2017-01-04 00:15:47] BitMEX_Sam : I'm going to add an option for this for those of you who are sensitive to it
[2017-01-04 00:16:45] Milkman : there goes china
[2017-01-04 00:17:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 100000 @ 7834.1 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2017-01-04 00:17:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 30000 @ 1039.41
[2017-01-04 00:17:30] Apocalyptic : China's pumping is strong
[2017-01-04 00:18:27] shiroe : 7777 incoming!
[2017-01-04 00:18:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 5000 @ 1040.16
[2017-01-04 00:19:20] Alls : Rekt
[2017-01-04 00:19:22] boomerang : buckle up!
[2017-01-04 00:19:35] Alls : Bit is going strong too 1044
[2017-01-04 00:19:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 5000 @ 7852.6
[2017-01-04 00:21:02] gustavo7 : 1000 EUR on Kraken
[2017-01-04 00:22:23] PARAFFIN : 1000 EUR!!!
[2017-01-04 00:23:23] shiroe : btc-e the last one.
[2017-01-04 00:23:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 2140 @ 0.015289
[2017-01-04 00:24:42] hobolowbo : BitMEX_Sam: what fees do you pay if you open an order as a passive order but sell with a market order?
[2017-01-04 00:25:28] narnarfromnarnia : big dump pump
[2017-01-04 00:25:34] BitMEX_Greg : hobolowbo: If you open with a maker order then you receive 0.025% on that position. If you then close it with a taker order then you pay 0.075%
[2017-01-04 00:25:53] hobolowbo : BitMEX_Greg: thx
[2017-01-04 00:31:05] NooBTCrader : So we pumpin' or what?
[2017-01-04 00:31:36] mariomarco : NooBTCrader: nah man
[2017-01-04 00:31:41] mariomarco : its canceled
[2017-01-04 00:31:53] dannybreal : :D
[2017-01-04 00:32:00] mariomarco : NooBTCrader: i just got a phone call from the china central comitee
[2017-01-04 00:32:12] Apocalyptic : NooBTCrader: pump it like it's hot
[2017-01-04 00:32:22] dannybreal : chinese don't think it's cancelled , look at the 1H graph :D :D
[2017-01-04 00:32:23] mariomarco : Apocalyptic: D oh double G
[2017-01-04 00:32:36] NooBTCrader : I already have my party hat ready
[2017-01-04 00:32:48] dannybreal : white
[2017-01-04 00:33:04] dannybreal : drop party free BTC
[2017-01-04 00:33:17] zach719 : dump?
[2017-01-04 00:33:25] narnarfromnarnia : zach719: yes
[2017-01-04 00:33:31] narnarfromnarnia : mother of dumps if this doesn't hold
[2017-01-04 00:33:41] narnarfromnarnia : it could hold though
[2017-01-04 00:34:19] mariomarco : too many green acandles for my liking
[2017-01-04 00:34:49] dannybreal : weak r shaken off by the accumulating chinese
[2017-01-04 00:35:20] mariomarco : back to 900 now :D
[2017-01-04 00:35:26] mariomarco : :P
[2017-01-04 00:35:40] dannybreal : its not even a reversal :D
[2017-01-04 00:35:45] startChat : Bitmex_Sam: triggering price has trouble updating sometimes. on refresh they show correct value
[2017-01-04 00:36:12] startChat : BitMEX_Sam:
[2017-01-04 00:36:18] BitMEX_Sam : startChat: Will take a look
[2017-01-04 00:36:29] BitMEX_Sam : By the way, I get the ping regardless of case, and you can autofill usernames by hitting <tab>
[2017-01-04 00:36:57] startChat : BitMEX_Sam: Happened yesterday also.
[2017-01-04 00:37:04] XXXX : mariomarco: denial could cost you some serious money. Dont fight he trend.
[2017-01-04 00:37:10] hobolowbo : BitMEX_Sam: suggestion: convert your automated messages to be PGP encrypted too if the user has put a PGP key in their profile
[2017-01-04 00:37:13] startChat : BitMEX_Sam: nice tab feature
[2017-01-04 00:37:41] dannybreal : dab
[2017-01-04 00:37:46] BitMEX_Sam : hobolowbo: All the system messages that contain account information are encrypted.
[2017-01-04 00:38:23] hobolowbo : BitMEX_Sam: perhaps pertinent account info, but security sensitive people don't like any of their activities leaked out so when you send "hey thanks for sending your first deposit" email - it doens't bode well
[2017-01-04 00:38:39] BitMEX_Sam : Oh sure, that's through an external service; that's a good point
[2017-01-04 00:39:14] BitMEX_Sam : Great suggestion @hobolowbo
[2017-01-04 00:39:22] hobolowbo : BitMEX_Sam: anytime!
[2017-01-04 00:43:55] imapotato : rocket ship
[2017-01-04 00:50:41] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Sam: how can enable an audio alert when an order fills
[2017-01-04 00:50:46] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Sam: this is crucial
[2017-01-04 00:51:58] sleger : turn up the volume
[2017-01-04 00:55:14] NooBTCrader : I've never been this long. Leverage is addictive
[2017-01-04 00:56:14] j8 : yeah it'll bankrupt you like an addiction too
[2017-01-04 00:56:32] sleger : REKT: we have a target for you
[2017-01-04 00:59:40] Rado2 : BitMEX_Sam: by the way I meant to report this bug for a long time. The pop up alerts are empty when stop orders get triggered.
[2017-01-04 00:59:54] Rado2 : sleger: who is the target?
[2017-01-04 01:00:11] sleger : Rado2: "NooBTCrader: I've never been this long. Leverage is addictive"
[2017-01-04 01:00:23] Rado2 : lol
[2017-01-04 01:00:28] Rado2 : give it a day
[2017-01-04 01:00:56] Rado2 : sleger: by the way I got stopped out from my H17
[2017-01-04 01:01:18] sleger : Rado2: you were long ?
[2017-01-04 01:01:26] Rado2 : short
[2017-01-04 01:01:37] sleger : it went just as high before
[2017-01-04 01:01:48] hobolowbo : if u hit close on an order u opened as a post-only, would it post-only automatically on close as well?
[2017-01-04 01:01:49] micmix : Rado2: boo, stops are for pussies, use liq price like all cool kids
[2017-01-04 01:01:51] Rado2 : remember we shorted around 1000
[2017-01-04 01:02:00] Rado2 : micmix: he he
[2017-01-04 01:02:20] Rado2 : micmix: my bot has been performing much better after a few adjustments
[2017-01-04 01:02:26] Rado2 : still have a list of things to add
[2017-01-04 01:03:03] Rado2 : micmix: do you use nonce or expire for your API calls?
[2017-01-04 01:03:09] Rado2 : expires
[2017-01-04 01:04:17] micmix : Rado2: expires, I send several requests at once and nonce wouldn't work
[2017-01-04 01:04:28] Rado2 : right
[2017-01-04 01:04:32] Rado2 : I am changing to this as well
[2017-01-04 01:04:46] Rado2 : I see errors in my log right now
[2017-01-04 01:05:34] hobolowbo : BitMEX_Sam: see my question
[2017-01-04 01:05:59] Rado2 : hobolowbo: under settings you can turn on/off sound alerts
[2017-01-04 01:06:24] Rado2 : hobolowbo: https://www.bitmex.com/app/preferences
[2017-01-04 01:06:43] Rado2 : under Sounds
[2017-01-04 01:09:07] j8 : you got the wrong guy
[2017-01-04 01:09:27] foobar : Do you get paid interest in short futures?
[2017-01-04 01:09:56] Rado2 : j8: I did?
[2017-01-04 01:10:16] Rado2 : I see
[2017-01-04 01:10:16] sleger : i was wondering the same
[2017-01-04 01:10:17] Rado2 : :-)
[2017-01-04 01:10:52] Rado2 : alejandromasari: under settings you can turn on/off sound alerts hobolowbo: https://www.bitmex.com/app/preferences under Sounds
[2017-01-04 01:11:29] Alls : Yo any site admin/mod around
[2017-01-04 01:11:49] Rado2 : Alls: sleger is the master
[2017-01-04 01:11:52] Alls : My built in chart suddenly turn all green =/ can't see anything from it
[2017-01-04 01:12:05] Rado2 : refresh?
[2017-01-04 01:12:07] Alls : I am on mobile using chrome browser
[2017-01-04 01:12:12] Alls : Doesn't work
[2017-01-04 01:13:32] alejandromasari : I think we see 1500 this year and it becomes the new floor
[2017-01-04 01:13:52] imapotato : $10k new floor by June
[2017-01-04 01:14:14] mariomarco : imapotato: :P
[2017-01-04 01:14:20] mariomarco : 100$
[2017-01-04 01:14:53] dannybreal : limit close will buy @ mar price or orderbook
[2017-01-04 01:22:06] dannybreal : mark price or last price
[2017-01-04 01:26:11] imapotato : Continuing to push up the rally high across the board :D
[2017-01-04 01:26:58] zach719 : no dump
[2017-01-04 01:27:03] zach719 : and i shorted :(
[2017-01-04 01:27:10] imapotato : no brakes
[2017-01-04 01:27:17] imapotato : never short bitcoin
[2017-01-04 01:27:32] imapotato : finex pushing against 1050!
[2017-01-04 01:27:46] imapotato : 544 coins to eat for 1050
[2017-01-04 01:28:09] unicorns_rainbows : lol short
[2017-01-04 01:29:07] rms : What happens to the futures markets though if everyone figures out you shkuld
[2017-01-04 01:29:13] l3f : guys surely this is top[
[2017-01-04 01:29:24] rms : never short bitcoin?
[2017-01-04 01:29:27] Rado2 : l3f: how so?
[2017-01-04 01:29:37] l3f : Rado2: it's a joke
[2017-01-04 01:29:47] l3f : I've been repeating that line every 'time we make a new high
[2017-01-04 01:29:50] unicorns_rainbows : i'm just wondering, why my username has changed
[2017-01-04 01:29:56] micmix : wait for this guys to sell his stash: https://www.reddit.com/r/PersonalFinanceCanada/comments/5lkgbb/if_i_sell_a_large_amount_of_bitcoin_how_am_i_taxed/
[2017-01-04 01:30:11] imapotato : unicorns_rainbows: previous username? was probably offensive
[2017-01-04 01:30:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 56887 @ 1116.25 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-01-04 01:30:20] JuriFX : thanks bulls, I like being part of your team ;)
[2017-01-04 01:30:27] unicorns_rainbows : oh gotcha, well it was good while it lasted
[2017-01-04 01:30:34] imapotato : >56887 ouch
[2017-01-04 01:32:33] imapotato : The real fireworks come out once support is established at the previous ATH.
[2017-01-04 01:34:37] MikeHunt : looks like its gone too far up to correct now
[2017-01-04 01:34:42] MikeHunt : unless you mean back to 900
[2017-01-04 01:35:37] mariomarco : MikeHunt: 880
[2017-01-04 01:35:39] mariomarco : :D
[2017-01-04 01:36:41] foobar : when you guys are using bots, are you doing arbitrage, speculating, or both?
[2017-01-04 01:37:00] MikeHunt : mariomarco: i mean 900 mean, it will go lower than 880 as corrects imo
[2017-01-04 01:37:17] mariomarco : yes :D
[2017-01-04 01:37:28] foobar : and is it best to go with the python skeleton code on github or is there something else people are using?
[2017-01-04 01:40:41] arbitrage001 : good morning, fellow trolls
[2017-01-04 01:40:53] arbitrage001 : how is everyone doing
[2017-01-04 01:41:05] arbitrage001 : getting rich again?
[2017-01-04 01:42:35] alejandromasari : hey what does cross mean?]
[2017-01-04 01:43:17] NooBTCrader : X
[2017-01-04 01:43:38] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Sam: what does cross mean in the leverage bar?
[2017-01-04 01:43:42] arbitrage001 : alejandromasari: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross
[2017-01-04 01:44:13] BitMEX_Sam : alejandromasari: It means cross margin, as in using your entire account balance to back the position
[2017-01-04 01:45:59] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Sam: my unrealized p&l is -63%? but my entry is 1046
[2017-01-04 01:47:12] l3f : Who didn't buy and hold?
[2017-01-04 01:47:19] l3f : Look at prices now
[2017-01-04 01:47:26] l3f : if you only bought and held
[2017-01-04 01:47:40] alejandromasari : all traders here
[2017-01-04 01:47:49] alejandromasari : leverage junkies
[2017-01-04 01:48:01] l3f : Buy at <10x leverage
[2017-01-04 01:48:06] l3f : and hold through the dips
[2017-01-04 01:48:08] j8 : i didn't buy and hold, but i did outperform the bitcoin price, so no complaints
[2017-01-04 01:48:15] l3f : j8: very nice
[2017-01-04 01:48:16] MikeHunt : this looks heavily overbought
[2017-01-04 01:48:28] l3f : MikeHunt: :))))))
[2017-01-04 01:49:00] imapotato : MikeHunt: lol
[2017-01-04 01:49:06] BitMEX_Sam : alejandromasari: Yes, and the mark price is 1040 - UPL is based off mark, not last
[2017-01-04 01:49:16] BitMEX_Sam : We do that because liquidations are also based on mark
[2017-01-04 01:49:19] alejandromasari : this also looks really ovebought..... shorts getting fucked since nov 14 http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=GS&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p20489417574
[2017-01-04 01:50:00] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Sam: how is my p&l -63%??
[2017-01-04 01:50:11] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Sam: bitmex computer can't do math??
[2017-01-04 01:50:12] BitMEX_Sam : 100x, 1046 entry, 1040 mark
[2017-01-04 01:50:26] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Sam: I did cross
[2017-01-04 01:50:30] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Sam: no leverage
[2017-01-04 01:50:37] BitMEX_Sam : That's fine, but ROE is always based on max leverage
[2017-01-04 01:50:49] BitMEX_Sam : It's just a display number, feel free to ignore it and look at the actual value
[2017-01-04 01:50:50] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Sam: makes no sense.
[2017-01-04 01:51:02] BitMEX_Sam : It's based on 100x, which is the minimum equity, thus return on equity
[2017-01-04 01:51:02] imapotato : 312 coins remaining for $1050 on finex
[2017-01-04 01:51:29] BitMEX_Sam : We base it on 100x, otherwise reducing your leverage would reduce your ROE which is highly counterintuitive for most
[2017-01-04 01:51:31] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Sam: so 1x means I am playing with double what I put in it?
[2017-01-04 01:51:39] BitMEX_Sam : No... it doesn't mean that at all
[2017-01-04 01:52:34] sleger : lol
[2017-01-04 01:52:43] sleger : wall st pro
[2017-01-04 01:52:58] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Sam: so what's the difference between cross and 1x?
[2017-01-04 01:52:58] BitMEX_Greg : alejandromasari: 1x means 1 times leverage
[2017-01-04 01:53:10] BitMEX_Greg : alejandromasari: Cross margin uses any and all available margin in your account
[2017-01-04 01:53:21] BitMEX_Greg : So you could potentially have leverage less than 1
[2017-01-04 01:53:34] BitMEX_Greg : Whilst 1x means you are fixing the leverage at 1 times
[2017-01-04 01:53:55] BitMEX_Greg : Hence, cross is safer in a way if you want to avoid liquidation at all costs
[2017-01-04 01:56:53] alejandromasari : ok
[2017-01-04 01:58:15] MikeHunt : the other issue is if you short at top, arent u all gonna get deleveraged?
[2017-01-04 01:58:24] MikeHunt : you all*
[2017-01-04 01:58:55] arbitrage001 : MikeHunt: may i ask how you pick top?
[2017-01-04 02:00:03] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Greg: how do I "uncross my position"?
[2017-01-04 02:00:39] BitMEX_Greg : alejandromasari: You can move the leverage slider to the desired leverage you wish, or by hitting the edit button on the right and enter whatever leverage you like there.
[2017-01-04 02:01:12] MikeHunt : arbitrage001: on my charts this is running out of room, if it does go up majorly im hedged to cover it
[2017-01-04 02:02:00] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Greg: it says account inufficient balance but my balance is sufficient to maintain the position on leverage
[2017-01-04 02:03:04] BitMEX_Greg : alejandromasari: You may not have enough margin for 1x leverage. Try closing any open orders you have to reduce the margin.
[2017-01-04 02:03:33] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Greg: thanks
[2017-01-04 02:04:45] alejandromasari : I had some open orders
[2017-01-04 02:04:53] BitMEX_Greg : ok np
[2017-01-04 02:07:00] 24hourz : BitMEX_Greg: When the delevrage que is all lit up, Is the full position delevraged in whole or in portions
[2017-01-04 02:07:27] 24hourz : (in the event of liquidations that exceed the insurance funds )
[2017-01-04 02:07:36] BitMEX_Greg : 24hourz: There is no way of knowing that prior unfortunately.
[2017-01-04 02:07:46] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Greg: yes that did the trick also
[2017-01-04 02:08:09] BitMEX_Greg : It depends on a lot of unknown things such as how much of the liquidation was unfilled, how many other traders are in the same position as you for example.
[2017-01-04 02:08:13] BitMEX_Greg : alejandromasari: Ok great
[2017-01-04 02:13:41] 24hourz : BitMEX_Greg: Thank you! One lasat question. If I close my position and open one again will it take me off the que ?
[2017-01-04 02:14:43] BitMEX_Greg : 24hourz: This could reduce your position in the queue as you are realising PNL. Since the formula works off a priority based on leverage and PNL then yes your queue could reduce.
[2017-01-04 02:16:13] micmix : 24hourz: yes, you realize your PNL so unrealized PNL will reset, lowering your priority for ADL. And please do it often, MMs have to eat too
[2017-01-04 02:20:25] alejandromasari : BitMEX_Greg: what happens if I get deleveraged and I have 0 margin available?
[2017-01-04 02:20:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: buy 1 @ 0.015887
[2017-01-04 02:21:03] BitMEX_Greg : alejandromasari: Deleverage just means that your part or all of your position is closed automatically
[2017-01-04 02:21:55] chatTroll : why don't you put bitfinex back in the index? they have more volume then the current constituents
[2017-01-04 02:30:47] boomerang : which exchanges make up the index?
[2017-01-04 02:30:58] MikeHunt : boomerang: independently by kaiko iirc
[2017-01-04 02:31:53] zach719 : no dump?
[2017-01-04 02:32:53] narnarfromnarnia : zach719: not dumps just retrace
[2017-01-04 02:33:02] narnarfromnarnia : yes it should to break through here
[2017-01-04 02:34:40] MikeHunt : im wondering how high this is going to go
[2017-01-04 02:35:06] zach719 : I shouldnt of shorted it
[2017-01-04 02:35:40] boomerang : yea when this finally breaks, hold on to your hats... been trying the last few hours, just a matter of time
[2017-01-04 02:35:55] zach719 : up or down?
[2017-01-04 02:37:19] isozy : up and down
[2017-01-04 02:37:51] boomerang : up up and away
[2017-01-04 02:38:00] cookielito : futures is where its at
[2017-01-04 02:40:46] nOgAnOo : How do I de-liquidate?
[2017-01-04 02:41:00] cookielito : DMT
[2017-01-04 02:41:00] zach719 : nOgAnOo: cant lmao :)
[2017-01-04 02:41:08] cookielito : it de liquidates you
[2017-01-04 02:41:26] cookielito : and also makes you realize dont fuckin short btc
[2017-01-04 02:41:38] aethlios : nOgAnOo: you mean lower the bars?? add margin
[2017-01-04 02:42:58] nOgAnOo : no I got liquidated and I want my money back!!!!!!!!
[2017-01-04 02:43:56] 24hourz : nOgAnOo: how bad ?
[2017-01-04 02:44:13] nOgAnOo : i was joking.. but like 250 dollars in a few days
[2017-01-04 02:44:16] aethlios : you need to find your liquidator!!
[2017-01-04 02:44:32] nOgAnOo : Ok!!!! I'll install Kali right now so I can track him!
[2017-01-04 02:44:49] aethlios : whale shorting 100k march like a champ.
[2017-01-04 02:46:22] l3f : aethlios: well?
[2017-01-04 02:46:32] l3f : what do you think of 2k usd?
[2017-01-04 02:47:01] l3f : I think this bubble has massive upside potential
[2017-01-04 02:47:07] l3f : as long as PBoC doesn't fuck us over
[2017-01-04 02:47:08] aethlios : l3f: this will dump very hard, 2k ok but after 740 first.
[2017-01-04 02:47:37] narnarfromnarnia : aethlios: are you thinking down from here
[2017-01-04 02:47:39] l3f : aethlios: you hedged in or still net long?
[2017-01-04 02:47:41] narnarfromnarnia : or squeeze up a bit more?
[2017-01-04 02:48:18] chester : if we goto 740 first, 2k won't be for a long while.. i'd think?
[2017-01-04 02:49:14] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/wZ0jQdDW/ only the brave buy the wedge here.
[2017-01-04 02:49:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 5 @ 0.009510
[2017-01-04 02:50:30] l3f : aethlios: the bravest short BTC
[2017-01-04 02:51:04] aethlios : l3f: already jumped to march hedged long spot since 980 spot. wait for retrace, oversold area to get in back. 6% 3 month return not bad. had long from 585. was posting bullish charts months ago.
[2017-01-04 02:51:10] zach719 : l3f: thats what i did but i think I messed up
[2017-01-04 02:51:20] rms : i think buying here super risky cause this is where bollinger said to sell
[2017-01-04 02:51:33] nOgAnOo : I'm shorting at 52x all in like a champ!
[2017-01-04 02:51:39] rms : and we've been making these sudden gains and then being flat for a while
[2017-01-04 02:52:12] rms : but i guess it's only risky at high leverage
[2017-01-04 02:52:25] rms : i'm thinking $10-$15 pull back before the next leg up
[2017-01-04 02:52:27] rms : but who knows
[2017-01-04 02:52:31] aethlios : l3f: you don't need to be always in position, and never short btc. just wait for a strong retrace and jump in, get out when overbought, repeat cycle.
[2017-01-04 02:53:05] nOgAnOo : rms where do you think next leg up might go?
[2017-01-04 02:53:27] MikeHunt : aethlios: are you out yet?
[2017-01-04 02:53:28] l3f : aethlios: I'd buy that purely from TA point of view
[2017-01-04 02:53:32] l3f : but the bubble is just beginning
[2017-01-04 02:53:54] zach719 : aethlios: i agree but i still for some reason went in short....
[2017-01-04 02:53:59] l3f : I am going to let this ride
[2017-01-04 02:54:10] aethlios : also notice that manipulator pumpers give no space for shorts to close in profit. volatility low, just steady up, so they want all noobs to buy, margin call shorts since no chance to close in profit. they will sell massively suddenly.
[2017-01-04 02:54:29] nOgAnOo : aeth that is EXACTLY what happened to me
[2017-01-04 02:54:34] nOgAnOo : 3 rekts in a row
[2017-01-04 02:54:52] nOgAnOo : NO sells.. just buys for 4 hours
[2017-01-04 02:54:54] aethlios : MikeHunt: already jumped to march hedged long spot since 980 spot. wait for retrace, oversold area to get in back. 6% 3 month return not bad. had long from 585. was posting bullish charts months ago.
[2017-01-04 02:54:56] nOgAnOo : didn't get filled once
[2017-01-04 02:55:46] rms : 1080-1100 next leg if the pattern keeps going?
[2017-01-04 02:55:54] MikeHunt : aethlios: any benefit holding march in a downturn?
[2017-01-04 02:56:05] rms : but i also think we get something weird as this crosses into actual bubble territory, like a $300 gain in 5 minutes
[2017-01-04 02:56:11] Milkman : whale party on xbth17
[2017-01-04 02:56:19] nOgAnOo : ok thanks RMS.. I am trading with all of my money right now so don't want to rekt
[2017-01-04 02:56:24] Milkman : about 800,000 contracts recently closed
[2017-01-04 02:56:29] nOgAnOo : I'll try not to leverage too high this time but am remaining short right now
[2017-01-04 02:56:33] MikeHunt : Milkman: dump?
[2017-01-04 02:56:37] aethlios : MikeHunt: you should hold march only in up trend to not pay funding and gain from spread increase.
[2017-01-04 02:56:39] nOgAnOo : YES YES YES!!!
[2017-01-04 02:56:42] nOgAnOo : Go China!
[2017-01-04 02:56:48] rms : if you don't want to get rekt don't short bitcoin in a bull market
[2017-01-04 02:56:51] Milkman : shorts closing out at the top into a long closing out at the top
[2017-01-04 02:56:55] Milkman : 1 winner. 1 loser
[2017-01-04 02:57:06] MikeHunt : aethlios: what about making money as it corrects via shorting?
[2017-01-04 02:57:33] dodic : MikeHunt: Playing chicken with a train
[2017-01-04 02:58:53] aethlios : MikeHunt: difficult to happen. they can dump 40 usd in 3 minutes, will short there? they then can fully retrace, so don't short, better go long in oversold area and get out in overbought area, then wait.
[2017-01-04 02:59:19] imapotato : Always try to catch falling knives.
[2017-01-04 03:00:48] MikeHunt : imapotato: lol
[2017-01-04 03:01:15] aethlios : imapotato: except the last one (real dump) which will cut you to pieces.
[2017-01-04 03:02:39] aethlios : so catch the early knifes, then stop catching them.
[2017-01-04 03:04:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 390 @ 1044.14
[2017-01-04 03:05:29] l3f : aethlios: I expect ATH to break first tbqh
[2017-01-04 03:05:30] l3f : that's a safe bet
[2017-01-04 03:06:19] aethlios : l3f: technically such resistance needs at least 2 or 3 attempts.
[2017-01-04 03:07:00] l3f : aethlios: It didn't need that much the first time round
[2017-01-04 03:08:31] l3f : All it needed was the media spotlight and FOMO kicked in
[2017-01-04 03:11:51] MikeHunt : so what do we have now to keep this going?
[2017-01-04 03:12:17] aethlios : and fake mtgox
[2017-01-04 03:12:47] l3f : aethlios: we have huobi now
[2017-01-04 03:13:03] aethlios : now many exchanges futures market cap needs 1.6 billion for every 100 usd up.
[2017-01-04 03:14:52] aethlios : i expect as you steady strong up to 10,000 usd after we clear 1,175-1,200 ATH, but won't happen at once, maybe 4,5 attempts and consolidation below after the break.
[2017-01-04 03:15:16] aethlios : ....before the break i mean
[2017-01-04 03:15:56] l3f : Possible correction to 1k
[2017-01-04 03:15:58] l3f : after ATH
[2017-01-04 03:16:12] l3f : aethlios: but I think that's as far down as it'll go
[2017-01-04 03:16:21] MikeHunt : sell wall seems to be getting bigger
[2017-01-04 03:16:51] MikeHunt : apparently anything above 1k last bubble is questionable as ATH due to gox manipulation
[2017-01-04 03:17:51] MikeHunt : okcoin sell wall now 4 digits
[2017-01-04 03:17:56] rms : i thought of 1050 as the real ATH last time
[2017-01-04 03:18:13] rms : and that we at that resistance now
[2017-01-04 03:21:20] MikeHunt : psychologically it'd be 1000 imo
[2017-01-04 03:21:36] MikeHunt : unless 1050 is your fav number ;)
[2017-01-04 03:21:58] rms : that was the highest price i bought bitcoin at
[2017-01-04 03:21:59] rms : ;)
[2017-01-04 03:22:10] MikeHunt : did you manage to get out in time?
[2017-01-04 03:22:16] rms : absolutely not
[2017-01-04 03:22:36] rms : but i got very little at the top
[2017-01-04 03:22:50] MikeHunt : when i first got into it i bought bitcoin ~2/3rds way up
[2017-01-04 03:22:57] MikeHunt : the gox bubble
[2017-01-04 03:22:59] l3f : aethlios: Chinese media cycle is just beginning
[2017-01-04 03:23:07] l3f : it will either be the beginning or the end
[2017-01-04 03:23:32] MikeHunt : CHina has ~2% inflation
[2017-01-04 03:23:37] MikeHunt : yuan is holding it seems for now
[2017-01-04 03:23:43] MikeHunt : as banks got fresh load of funny money
[2017-01-04 03:26:30] aethlios : l3f: we both agree btc goes up, just different roadmaps, haha!!
[2017-01-04 03:27:02] MikeHunt : i think after 1k we resume bull run cuz loads of countries are fucked and r gonna try more capital control imo
[2017-01-04 03:27:07] l3f : yep, I think it's less likely to bubble as hard due to much more investment
[2017-01-04 03:27:16] l3f : if it can keep this "slower" rise then it'll be fine
[2017-01-04 03:28:08] aethlios : will be going up like buffets stock.
[2017-01-04 03:30:11] aethlios : eth returns from the grave
[2017-01-04 03:37:11] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 64 @ 7858.7
[2017-01-04 03:39:33] rapidtrades : up as expected
[2017-01-04 03:40:05] l3f : Gone are the days where +300 usd a day was sustainable
[2017-01-04 03:40:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 30 @ 0.009910
[2017-01-04 03:40:49] foobar : Why is it not possible to still trade XBTG17 or XBTF17 futures?
[2017-01-04 03:41:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2000 @ 1045.94
[2017-01-04 03:41:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 500 @ 1045.36
[2017-01-04 03:44:50] j8 : there used to be monthly futures, they got rid of them to concentrate liquidity
[2017-01-04 03:45:17] boomerang : is REKT a user or bot?
[2017-01-04 03:45:31] aethlios : bitmex bot
[2017-01-04 03:46:09] j8 : it's a user's bot
[2017-01-04 03:46:52] foobar : j8: so does that mean we will only be able to buy/sell march futures until the maturity date?
[2017-01-04 03:46:54] Milkman : stamp needs to step on the gas
[2017-01-04 03:47:38] Milkman : damn eth pumped a bunch
[2017-01-04 03:47:40] j8 : foobar: they will add the next quarterly (june expiration) 2 weeks before march settles
[2017-01-04 03:47:58] j8 : unless something changes
[2017-01-04 03:48:14] foobar : cool, thanks
[2017-01-04 03:48:54] Rado2 : j8: what's up man
[2017-01-04 03:49:04] Rado2 : anything new?
[2017-01-04 03:49:15] j8 : not much.
[2017-01-04 03:49:20] l3f : aethlios: I wish there was a one year future, I'd long the fuck out of that
[2017-01-04 03:49:21] Rado2 : I am getting familiar with python finally
[2017-01-04 03:49:28] j8 : nice, it's not so bad eh
[2017-01-04 03:49:28] Milkman : almost new high on xbth17
[2017-01-04 03:49:36] l3f : shame about the liquidity though
[2017-01-04 03:49:37] Rado2 : never got a chance to develop before
[2017-01-04 03:49:39] foobar : j8: one other question regarding arbitrage. do you get paid on the short of the future the same amount you pay for the margin on the long?
[2017-01-04 03:50:06] aethlios : l3f: i told them that to add it but they said MM's won't use it.
[2017-01-04 03:50:09] j8 : only the perpetual swap has funding payments
[2017-01-04 03:50:18] l3f : aethlios: yeah shame about the MM
[2017-01-04 03:50:35] l3f : It would just be us two scamming the MM
[2017-01-04 03:51:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2000 @ 1047.35
[2017-01-04 03:51:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2000 @ 1047.03
[2017-01-04 03:51:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 12500 @ 1047.01
[2017-01-04 03:51:08] REKT : Sell your house, sell your wife, sell your kids, BUY BITCOIN!
[2017-01-04 03:51:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1001 @ 1047.61
[2017-01-04 03:51:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 8298 @ 1047.67
[2017-01-04 03:51:23] imapotato : rip
[2017-01-04 03:51:40] imapotato : 1050 on finex is a minute away
[2017-01-04 03:51:45] foobar : j8: so when usage leverage on buying xbtusd for an arbitrage, your profit is diluted by the funding rate
[2017-01-04 03:51:49] l3f : rofl
[2017-01-04 03:51:57] l3f : are the shorts learning yet?
[2017-01-04 03:52:14] l3f : aethlios: I think ATH is a fine target
[2017-01-04 03:52:20] l3f : given the current fomo levels
[2017-01-04 03:52:34] j8 : foobar: yeah that's why it's better to be short the swap in a bull market, for arbitrage
[2017-01-04 03:52:37] rustiv : bears dying out soon
[2017-01-04 03:53:31] foobar : j8: wouldn't that only work if the future was at a discount?
[2017-01-04 03:53:56] imapotato : http://i.imgur.com/QYr0QnM.jpg
[2017-01-04 03:54:57] j8 : foobar: you basically have to speculate on whether the total funding paid will be more or less than the futures premium
[2017-01-04 03:55:09] imapotato : 200 coins remain to break 1050 on finex
[2017-01-04 03:56:35] l3f : imapotato: it's open season on bears
[2017-01-04 03:56:51] j8 : for example the premium on XBTH17 is around 28% annualized. but historically the swap funding has been more than that
[2017-01-04 03:57:45] Rado : if you buy the quarterly at the right time
[2017-01-04 03:57:55] rapidtrades : I found the elusive Bear City
[2017-01-04 03:57:58] rapidtrades : https://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/838174/521065240/stock-photo-abandoned-cemetery-521065240.jpg
[2017-01-04 03:57:58] j8 : also the entire history of the swap was in a bull market
[2017-01-04 03:58:03] imapotato : btc-e broke $1k
[2017-01-04 03:58:04] Rado : you thought me that j8
[2017-01-04 03:58:12] Rado : j8: yeah, that is true
[2017-01-04 03:58:28] Rado : lol rapidtrades
[2017-01-04 03:58:49] aethlios : drop the bomb
[2017-01-04 03:59:08] Rado : dump in 1 min
[2017-01-04 04:00:15] l3f : incoming dump!
[2017-01-04 04:00:37] alejandromasari : mikehunt: is it overbought?
[2017-01-04 04:01:05] MikeHunt : alejandromasari: ur asking me? lol
[2017-01-04 04:01:08] Rado : j8: when the funding happens my orders get killed and my bot needs to restart
[2017-01-04 04:01:29] MikeHunt : alejandromasari: it looks very top heavy
[2017-01-04 04:01:32] Rado : need to check my log for the error
[2017-01-04 04:01:35] brojo : no more dumps till 2k
[2017-01-04 04:01:43] j8 : Rado: really your orders get cancelled?
[2017-01-04 04:01:53] brojo : news/media/parbolic bubble is brewing
[2017-01-04 04:02:02] j8 : or you can't submit for a couple seconds
[2017-01-04 04:02:19] Rado : they get canceled because there is a sanity check and the bot has an exit function that cancels the orders
[2017-01-04 04:02:21] brojo : sell at cny 2k and put into another coin or currency and short when u see a 1k drop
[2017-01-04 04:02:28] brojo : cny 20k*
[2017-01-04 04:02:53] Rado : not sure what happens that triggers this, but need to check the code and figure it out
[2017-01-04 04:03:40] j8 : i see, well i think the market technically closes for a second
[2017-01-04 04:03:57] Rado2 : right
[2017-01-04 04:03:59] alejandromasari : who else is short here?
[2017-01-04 04:04:02] alejandromasari : should we short?
[2017-01-04 04:04:15] Rado2 : so my loop runs every 2 seconds and I guess it hist an error
[2017-01-04 04:04:24] brojo : alejandromasari: short now 100x
[2017-01-04 04:04:26] rapidtrades : usd/cnh is now lower then it was on nov24
[2017-01-04 04:05:02] rapidtrades : so the last 1.5 months wasn't about yuan devaluation or 'capital flight'
[2017-01-04 04:05:05] brojo : alejandromasari: btc/cny 20k+ in the next 7-14 days
[2017-01-04 04:05:11] rapidtrades : a ban is coming imo
[2017-01-04 04:05:13] brojo : watch its going to be all over news and fomo
[2017-01-04 04:05:29] alejandromasari : brojo: WHY?
[2017-01-04 04:05:32] Rado2 : rapidtrades: that will be fun
[2017-01-04 04:05:43] brojo : there is no media yet
[2017-01-04 04:05:46] rapidtrades : well more restrictions not an outrgiht ban
[2017-01-04 04:05:46] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: they can do worse than a ban
[2017-01-04 04:05:49] brojo : remember last time before the crash
[2017-01-04 04:05:51] brojo : the parabolic move
[2017-01-04 04:06:02] imapotato : nom nom 1050 will fall on finex
[2017-01-04 04:06:03] brojo : THere is no water cooler talk or neighbors mentioning it yet
[2017-01-04 04:06:20] brojo : when your aunt/uncle call you to ask how to buy some then you short
[2017-01-04 04:06:34] MikeHunt : once stamp/finex hit 999 its over imo
[2017-01-04 04:06:41] j8 : Rado2: you might want to cancel right before funding anyway
[2017-01-04 04:06:55] brojo : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCCNY/QtB0KPEc-Bitcoin-Ascension-2-0-You-Can-Not-Abort/
[2017-01-04 04:06:55] imapotato : 50 btc left!
[2017-01-04 04:07:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 110001 @ 1048.74 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2017-01-04 04:07:05] rapidtrades : anyone trading through btce mt4 tonight?
[2017-01-04 04:07:14] Milkman : Bring on the margin calls
[2017-01-04 04:07:20] imapotato : 3 btc left
[2017-01-04 04:07:21] Milkman : Ouch
[2017-01-04 04:07:37] MikeHunt : im shorting around here but im gonna send a suicidal long upwards
[2017-01-04 04:07:45] Rado2 : j8: the problem is it takes 1 min for my bot to start, since I have a cron job that runs every min
[2017-01-04 04:07:45] imapotato : 1050 taken out at bitfinex
[2017-01-04 04:07:58] rapidtrades : Rado2: whats a cron job
[2017-01-04 04:08:03] Rado2 : so I need to handle this error
[2017-01-04 04:08:11] firecasey : ive had a deposit pending for 45 mins. Is that normal?
[2017-01-04 04:08:12] brojo : REKT: where do you see that or was that your own?
[2017-01-04 04:08:15] Rado2 : rapidtrades: process that runs on linux
[2017-01-04 04:08:15] imapotato : a cron job executes at intervals
[2017-01-04 04:08:17] firecasey : no confirmations yet
[2017-01-04 04:08:33] Rado2 : brojo: REKT is a bot that posts all liquidations
[2017-01-04 04:08:45] brojo : rapidtrades: its a script that runs every x seconds,minutes,hours,days etc...
[2017-01-04 04:08:51] j8 : Rado2: yeah you should handle it, don't crash but do something to avoid getting swept right after a big funding
[2017-01-04 04:08:55] rapidtrades : firecasey: it's 1 confirmation so yes its normal if u used a lower then average fee