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[2017-01-02 15:46:53] elmorte : BitMEX_Greg: @BitMEX_Sam Happy New Year guys! Do you know why none of the XBC series are on Trading View...or how to get to them?
[2017-01-02 15:47:15] elmorte : XBT and XBJ are there...
[2017-01-02 15:48:45] BTCDJS : odieoh: wish I placed bids at 0.00025
[2017-01-02 15:48:52] BTCDJS : Instant profit
[2017-01-02 15:49:02] odieoh : From the hack?
[2017-01-02 15:49:02] BitMEX_Greg : elmorte: We need to reach out to them. I guess as it is a relatively new product
[2017-01-02 15:49:10] BTCDJS : yeah lol
[2017-01-02 15:49:18] odieoh : Yeah me too, was kicking myself
[2017-01-02 15:50:15] elmorte : BitMEX_Greg: Oh, alright...so the charts displayed here use their engine but local data?
[2017-01-02 15:51:07] BitMEX_Greg : elmorte: that's a better question for Sam. I believe it's as you say though
[2017-01-02 15:51:08] Vijuu : Can I change leverage after order
[2017-01-02 15:51:18] BitMEX_Greg : Vijuu: yes just userhe leverage slider
[2017-01-02 15:51:26] BTCDJS : if you have more margin
[2017-01-02 15:51:30] BitMEX_Greg : use the*
[2017-01-02 15:51:35] shiroe : where is my panic button.. hmmm
[2017-01-02 15:51:36] BTCDJS : but if you went all in no
[2017-01-02 15:51:56] Vijuu : K
[2017-01-02 15:52:10] Vijuu : Thank you
[2017-01-02 15:55:27] Naloxone : ETH is about to break out, now waiting for Bitcoin down movement confirmation
[2017-01-02 16:03:27] alejandromasari : guys don't short unless u wanna get wrecked
[2017-01-02 16:03:41] rowrow : and if i do?
[2017-01-02 16:03:46] anonymous123421 : kek
[2017-01-02 16:03:50] Headroom : yes, short it! give your food and be eaten alive
[2017-01-02 16:03:55] ayy_lmao : that double banga
[2017-01-02 16:04:13] MikeHunt : this sorta looks very bullish and bearish at same time
[2017-01-02 16:04:21] Headroom : it is nothing right now
[2017-01-02 16:04:45] alejandromasari : new 2017 high coming up and the sky is the limit!!
[2017-01-02 16:05:08] MikeHunt : 8k+ is target and i think its gone too steep to correct now
[2017-01-02 16:05:43] Headroom : 10.000 for btc or die, it's a religion I just created
[2017-01-02 16:05:46] ayy_lmao : lol first we have to clear ath before 8k is even in the picture
[2017-01-02 16:05:50] rowrow : i always wonder if tax considerations around new year will have much effect on trading, probably not though
[2017-01-02 16:06:00] alejandromasari : when will the shorts give up
[2017-01-02 16:06:05] alejandromasari : all I see is wrecked
[2017-01-02 16:06:16] WhiteJacket : 7400 china
[2017-01-02 16:06:35] MikeHunt : huobi 1100 might be a shorter
[2017-01-02 16:06:41] Headroom : 421 fidji islands
[2017-01-02 16:06:46] MikeHunt : near 1100-1200 is dodgy imo
[2017-01-02 16:07:08] justinlooking : lol short
[2017-01-02 16:07:55] $$ : not sure what xbth17 is waiting for
[2017-01-02 16:08:14] alejandromasari : $$: xbth17 is a scam it lags the spot price
[2017-01-02 16:08:36] sleger : ^ "wall st trader" starts calling everything a scam
[2017-01-02 16:08:37] $$ : over 5 million contracts and no shorts want to panic close
[2017-01-02 16:09:08] alejandromasari : sleger <<< cockroach is back stomp on him
[2017-01-02 16:09:33] sleger : hey you called yourself a wall st trader
[2017-01-02 16:09:39] sleger : i never called myself a cockroach
[2017-01-02 16:09:40] sleger : be nice
[2017-01-02 16:09:49] BTCDJS : XBTH17 is futures right?
[2017-01-02 16:09:53] Headroom : yup
[2017-01-02 16:10:07] BTCDJS : alejandromasari: you said you traded futures
[2017-01-02 16:11:00] alejandromasari : BTCDJS: I trade real futures /es /gc /si /cl
[2017-01-02 16:11:18] alejandromasari : xbth17 is garbage compared to those futures
[2017-01-02 16:11:28] alejandromasari : poor liquidity
[2017-01-02 16:12:03] BTCDJS : alejandromasari: this site is fairly new. Liquidity is building over time
[2017-01-02 16:12:18] BTCDJS : more users required
[2017-01-02 16:12:18] alejandromasari : BTCDJS: ok we wait then. give it a chance
[2017-01-02 16:12:44] BTCDJS : no scams here though
[2017-01-02 16:13:28] alejandromasari : BTCDJS: ok no scams maybe I should call it a disappointment instead
[2017-01-02 16:13:35] sleger : fairly new : >2 years
[2017-01-02 16:13:52] BTCDJS : sleger: but in bitcoin space
[2017-01-02 16:14:06] sleger : yes you should go to localbitcoins and trade your bitcoins with people you can meet on "Wall st"
[2017-01-02 16:14:21] MikeHunt : i dont use xbth17 simply because i dont understand the benefit over swap
[2017-01-02 16:14:37] sleger : MikeHunt: it is fixed vs floating rate
[2017-01-02 16:14:43] BTCDJS : lower fees
[2017-01-02 16:14:50] sleger : BTCDJS: not necessarily
[2017-01-02 16:16:07] justinlooking : megarektosaurus looming
[2017-01-02 16:16:55] bingbongfly : MikeHunt: different fees, potentially lower fees. usually lower fees on longer timeframes. Spot is more for explosive short term moves
[2017-01-02 16:16:57] fineregex : MikeHunt: guaranteed financing costs.
[2017-01-02 16:17:24] PARAFFIN : lol i make so much money here xD
[2017-01-02 16:17:27] bingbongfly : and that too @fineregex
[2017-01-02 16:17:44] bingbongfly : PARAFFIN: 100x leverage tends to do that
[2017-01-02 16:18:11] PARAFFIN : too risky @bingbongfly
[2017-01-02 16:18:58] bingbongfly : PARAFFIN: everyone thinks they are a good trader when the only direction is up.. :)
[2017-01-02 16:19:12] rowrow : yeah anything more than 20x seems pretty crazy, and even then you better be watching closely
[2017-01-02 16:20:07] zach719 : bingbongfly: exactly just wait untill a dump :)
[2017-01-02 16:20:34] PARAFFIN : zach719: im long @980
[2017-01-02 16:21:02] zach719 : PARAFFIN: whats ur liq?
[2017-01-02 16:21:16] PARAFFIN : zach719: 954
[2017-01-02 16:21:31] zach719 : ok not to bad
[2017-01-02 16:21:45] zach719 : so leverage at what? like 20x?
[2017-01-02 16:22:15] PARAFFIN : zach719: bought some at 10 then mixed with 25
[2017-01-02 16:23:07] zach719 : PARAFFIN: you should be fine but i wouldve probably sold by now and have taken the profits
[2017-01-02 16:23:41] rowrow : pshhh, profits just mean you can releverage even more
[2017-01-02 16:23:51] zach719 : PARAFFIN: you can always go back in later when it drops a little
[2017-01-02 16:24:51] rowrow : no guarantee it ever will (though that wouldn't be a bad problem to have)
[2017-01-02 16:29:52] PARAFFIN : zach719: i only sell some % of profit and reinvest
[2017-01-02 16:31:04] WhiteJacket : is any of you using HFT MM here?
[2017-01-02 16:34:04] MikeHunt : correction time soon i think
[2017-01-02 16:34:18] youknowit : wow these markets are ez
[2017-01-02 16:35:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 80299 @ 1031.16 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-01-02 16:35:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 15 @ 0.008130
[2017-01-02 16:35:56] Naloxone : wohoo, a real volatility came
[2017-01-02 16:36:03] MikeHunt : 980 correction i think
[2017-01-02 16:36:21] PARAFFIN : lol
[2017-01-02 16:36:39] startChat : sell sell!
[2017-01-02 16:36:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 10000 @ 1030.39
[2017-01-02 16:37:11] Naloxone : ETH can be a good hedge. check the charts and decide
[2017-01-02 16:37:58] PARAFFIN : mini dump
[2017-01-02 16:38:09] youknowit : LOL thanks for the coins
[2017-01-02 16:39:21] MikeHunt : each pump had a gap of ~4.5 days
[2017-01-02 16:39:24] MikeHunt : we are due for dump
[2017-01-02 16:39:28] alejandromasari : youknowit: haha lol
[2017-01-02 16:39:56] Naloxone : youknowit: you are about to get rekt if you bought the dip
[2017-01-02 16:40:13] MikeHunt : looks like a double top
[2017-01-02 16:40:15] MikeHunt : in 1hr
[2017-01-02 16:40:19] youknowit : okay... let's see the shorts get rekt
[2017-01-02 16:40:47] Headroom : I call that "double boobs" but it means what it means: everything could happen
[2017-01-02 16:40:54] MikeHunt : true
[2017-01-02 16:41:05] MikeHunt : im not saying a full on crash
[2017-01-02 16:41:08] MikeHunt : but a correction is due
[2017-01-02 16:41:13] MikeHunt : going by the last two waves
[2017-01-02 16:41:50] alejandromasari : if I am using 1x do I have to pay the fudning rate???
[2017-01-02 16:42:00] youknowit : alejandromasari: probably yeah
[2017-01-02 16:42:02] sleger : think about it
[2017-01-02 16:42:04] youknowit : they are swaps
[2017-01-02 16:42:08] tommygunn : drop damit only hit partial fills
[2017-01-02 16:42:13] MikeHunt : alejandromasari: i think its only 1x the funding fee
[2017-01-02 16:42:22] youknowit : tommygunn: hidden orders ftw
[2017-01-02 16:42:25] tommygunn : amazing china really trying to drop it
[2017-01-02 16:42:32] tommygunn : look at volume
[2017-01-02 16:42:42] tommygunn : so far no go
[2017-01-02 16:42:44] BTCDJS : tommygunn: volume in china is fake
[2017-01-02 16:43:03] tommygunn : we know that they still run the show
[2017-01-02 16:43:07] Apocalyptic : tommygunn: trying to drop it ? Every dip is bought insanely fast
[2017-01-02 16:43:16] tommygunn : like it or not
[2017-01-02 16:43:18] zach719 : Apocalyptic:yup
[2017-01-02 16:43:26] MikeHunt : i think they will buy it until they decide to drop it
[2017-01-02 16:43:30] MikeHunt : if we all get used to dip buying
[2017-01-02 16:43:39] MikeHunt : they will eventually not support it
[2017-01-02 16:43:41] zach719 : does anyone have a calculator sort of thing to calculate profits?
[2017-01-02 16:43:42] MikeHunt : we will be left with the bag
[2017-01-02 16:43:49] MikeHunt : zach719: got android phone?
[2017-01-02 16:43:52] BTCDJS : I have no opinions for or against china. Im just telling you the volume is doctored
[2017-01-02 16:43:59] zach719 : MikeHunt: nope
[2017-01-02 16:44:13] tommygunn : my 25 git for 1/4 fill
[2017-01-02 16:44:16] tommygunn : hit
[2017-01-02 16:44:33] MikeHunt : zach719: https://easybitcoincalculator.com/
[2017-01-02 16:44:50] zach719 : MikeHunt: thanks
[2017-01-02 16:44:56] tommygunn : nice candle on eth
[2017-01-02 16:46:24] youknowit : eth isn't staying below .008, should go towards .009
[2017-01-02 16:46:52] moo : why the mark price is so different from offered prices
[2017-01-02 16:47:00] tommygunn : my sell is right there for it, possibly
[2017-01-02 16:47:59] sleger : moo: https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBTUSD
[2017-01-02 16:48:01] sleger : search mark
[2017-01-02 16:48:49] youknowit : what do you know panic sell was wrong
[2017-01-02 16:49:42] Headroom : hedoesntknowit
[2017-01-02 16:53:03] MikeHunt : i know u guys laugh at shorters but that last mega sale could have been the china whales
[2017-01-02 16:53:18] MikeHunt : and westerners are responsible for retrace
[2017-01-02 16:53:23] MikeHunt : meaning we = holding bag
[2017-01-02 16:53:44] moo : how are westerners responsible
[2017-01-02 16:53:48] moo : all the volume is china
[2017-01-02 16:54:03] Headroom : we are always responsible of everything anyway huhu
[2017-01-02 16:54:16] MikeHunt : moo: okcoin/huobi is open for westerners to trade on?
[2017-01-02 16:54:31] MikeHunt : perhaps i better say its the fomo's
[2017-01-02 16:56:28] rullwull : cny spots mostly used by people who live in china, need a local mob number, chinese bank acc
[2017-01-02 16:57:58] rowrow : was curious why coinmarketcap seemed to miss all the big chinese exchanges, managed to not notice they were all halfway down the page
[2017-01-02 16:58:21] sleger : no, you can transfer btc there, sell them rebuy them and withdraw them you dont need to have anything chinese to trade there as long as its btc in/out
[2017-01-02 16:58:48] rowrow : any of them worth trading on?
[2017-01-02 16:59:00] sleger : just like any exchange
[2017-01-02 16:59:05] sleger : if you can make money yes
[2017-01-02 16:59:28] Rado : hey sleger
[2017-01-02 16:59:33] Rado : you are too nice to new users today
[2017-01-02 16:59:36] Rado : :-0
[2017-01-02 16:59:42] sleger : only the not stupid ones
[2017-01-02 16:59:49] Rado : he he
[2017-01-02 17:00:13] Rado : I changed my female name
[2017-01-02 17:00:47] sleger : to a new one ?
[2017-01-02 17:00:56] Rado : no
[2017-01-02 17:01:00] Rado : I have the same on both accounts
[2017-01-02 17:01:05] Rado : Wally did it for me somehow
[2017-01-02 17:01:25] sleger : yeah how could you prove you were the same person
[2017-01-02 17:01:26] Angelika : This is from the other one
[2017-01-02 17:01:35] Angelika : oh
[2017-01-02 17:01:38] sleger : well looke like its still a girly
[2017-01-02 17:01:39] Angelika : not changed yet
[2017-01-02 17:01:47] Angelika : maybe you can't have the same
[2017-01-02 17:02:03] Angelika : I have a request with him
[2017-01-02 17:02:11] Angelika : if you can't have the same I asked for Rado2
[2017-01-02 17:02:50] Rado : sleger: still in the US?
[2017-01-02 17:03:24] justinlooking : bitmex can u fix the orderbook sell-side size-column worked-order-tooltip plz k ty
[2017-01-02 17:04:25] justinlooking : should show "offering" like price column does
[2017-01-02 17:04:52] justinlooking : and total column does
[2017-01-02 17:05:48] sleger : Rado: few more hours yes
[2017-01-02 17:06:06] Rado : have a safe flight back
[2017-01-02 17:07:40] Rado : I am building a XBTH17 short around these prices
[2017-01-02 17:08:36] youknowit : Can you lend btc and earn interest here?
[2017-01-02 17:09:34] rullwull : i 2013 i had to pas verification level 2 for okc cny where local mob and chinese bank acc were needed, without level 2 they didn't allow to deposit btc, don't know how its now @sleger
[2017-01-02 17:09:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 7000 @ 1029.98
[2017-01-02 17:09:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 2000 @ 1088.03
[2017-01-02 17:11:06] Rado : youknowit: yes
[2017-01-02 17:11:19] Rado : when funding rate is positive you can short XBTUSD
[2017-01-02 17:12:42] cryptobull : dump round 2?
[2017-01-02 17:13:14] Rado : dump just starting
[2017-01-02 17:13:22] Rado : but I might be wrong
[2017-01-02 17:13:29] Rado : that's why I use stops
[2017-01-02 17:13:32] sleger : Rado: sold some h17 at 1100 too
[2017-01-02 17:13:40] Rado : :-)
[2017-01-02 17:14:46] rowrow : anyone know how the chinese exchanges without a trading fee make money?
[2017-01-02 17:15:06] lockhedge : there is a hidden buy wall @ 1027.50
[2017-01-02 17:15:21] sleger : i wasnt around for the dump earlier but got some nice orders filled : XBTUSD 2600 1000.80 XBTUSD 2600 1005.80
[2017-01-02 17:15:24] Rado : rowrow: they have other services that are paid
[2017-01-02 17:15:36] Rado : sleger: he he
[2017-01-02 17:15:38] Rado : nice
[2017-01-02 17:15:53] BTCDJS : Greg?
[2017-01-02 17:16:03] Rado : how do you decide where to add buy orders?
[2017-01-02 17:16:08] BTCDJS : Bitmex Greg? you there mate?
[2017-01-02 17:16:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 100 @ 7695.1
[2017-01-02 17:16:23] Naloxone : ETH is taking off
[2017-01-02 17:16:38] BTCDJS : Sam?
[2017-01-02 17:16:56] Rado : BTCDJS: no one is online in the chat
[2017-01-02 17:17:07] Rado : but you can say BitMEX support and they might show up
[2017-01-02 17:17:25] Rado : or email them at support@bitmex.com
[2017-01-02 17:17:30] BTCDJS : BitMEX support
[2017-01-02 17:17:45] BTCDJS : yeah Ill just email them
[2017-01-02 17:19:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 1028.20
[2017-01-02 17:19:58] Naloxone : youknowit: Still long?
[2017-01-02 17:21:03] youknowit : yup
[2017-01-02 17:21:14] youknowit : don't go trying to liquidate me now ;)
[2017-01-02 17:21:49] Naloxone : youknowit: what is your liquidation price?
[2017-01-02 17:22:10] youknowit : lol
[2017-01-02 17:22:30] aethlios : eth bottomrd???
[2017-01-02 17:23:14] youknowit : notice predicted funding rate is 10x less than current
[2017-01-02 17:23:24] youknowit : lota shorts
[2017-01-02 17:24:13] Naloxone : aethlios: Most likely. 0.0073 was the probably the bottom
[2017-01-02 17:24:19] rowrow : thought it was more based on the comparative price between exchanges, shorts and longs always cancel
[2017-01-02 17:24:24] rowrow : 1:1
[2017-01-02 17:27:57] Headroom : 3
[2017-01-02 17:28:03] Headroom : 2
[2017-01-02 17:28:07] Headroom : 1
[2017-01-02 17:28:11] Headroom : caution!
[2017-01-02 17:28:21] Headroom : aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand nothing
[2017-01-02 17:28:42] youknowit : Headroom: you scared me there
[2017-01-02 17:28:55] BTCDJS : Rado: You're freaking me out. Are you male or female?
[2017-01-02 17:29:14] Rado : I have a dick
[2017-01-02 17:29:24] BTCDJS : transexual?
[2017-01-02 17:29:28] Rado : lol
[2017-01-02 17:29:30] Headroom : ho yes he has, we all saw it the last night at the club
[2017-01-02 17:29:33] Rado : no, please
[2017-01-02 17:29:39] BTCDJS : why pick the name angelika?
[2017-01-02 17:29:40] Rado : media is pushing this shit a lot
[2017-01-02 17:29:48] Rado : that's my wife's name
[2017-01-02 17:29:52] l3stat : Kraken opens XMR trading?
[2017-01-02 17:30:05] l3stat : Is it gonna moon?
[2017-01-02 17:30:05] Rado : she wants to trade as well, but using the account for the bot
[2017-01-02 17:30:27] BTCDJS : ah so this whole time we been talking to you?
[2017-01-02 17:31:58] Naloxone : BTCDJS: looooooooooool
[2017-01-02 17:32:25] BTCDJS : Naloxone: whats so funny?
[2017-01-02 17:33:19] BTCDJS : just wanted clarification because he said "she wants to trade here"
[2017-01-02 17:40:55] BitMEX_Greg : BTCDJS: Am here, apologies for delay
[2017-01-02 17:42:39] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Greg: Ive lost access to my clef account. Is there any chance I can create a new one with clef but change the email and other requirements for clef sign in on my account?
[2017-01-02 17:45:33] BitMEX_Greg : BTCDJS: Unsure of this. Can you please email support and I'll have Sam take a look
[2017-01-02 17:45:40] BTCDJS : ok
[2017-01-02 17:50:01] Naloxone : I think ETH will hit 0.1 within 24 hours
[2017-01-02 17:52:37] youknowit : Naloxone: yeah it's been down far too long
[2017-01-02 17:53:25] Naloxone : youknowit: did you hedge your BTC long with ETH long?
[2017-01-02 17:53:35] youknowit : yes
[2017-01-02 17:53:48] youknowit : but they might both go up
[2017-01-02 17:56:37] youknowit : funding rate is of the full borrowed value right?
[2017-01-02 17:57:48] Naloxone : Eth may go up together with BTC, but not much, up to like 0.89. But a noticeable BTC drop most likely will start an ETH bull run to 0.01 and beyond
[2017-01-02 17:58:39] aethlios : anyone can answer eth questions? after POS what will be the inflation? how much you can earn with staking??
[2017-01-02 17:59:25] BetterNick : youknowit: correct
[2017-01-02 18:00:09] youknowit : china breaking 7400 again
[2017-01-02 18:02:30] alejandromasari : SHORTS GET BIT REXED
[2017-01-02 18:02:43] alejandromasari : They fuel this rally
[2017-01-02 18:03:17] MikeHunt : shorted from 1030 to 1026
[2017-01-02 18:03:24] Naloxone : aethlios: I don't think it's known yet. There is no particular date of switching to POS.. I read it can happen after 2020
[2017-01-02 18:03:26] alejandromasari : MikeHunt: that's peanuts
[2017-01-02 18:03:32] youknowit : just wait until 7500
[2017-01-02 18:03:50] MikeHunt : alejandromasari: yeh, just a minor confidence building exercise ;)
[2017-01-02 18:04:08] alejandromasari : MikeHunt: good job man. but you need to ride trends not pick up pennies
[2017-01-02 18:04:31] hobolowbo : newbie question - if BTCUSD price is 1150 at Mar 31st, would the future settle at 1150? cause i see it's already at 1090...
[2017-01-02 18:08:31] blurrrrrp : hobolowbo: No, the future will settle at whatever the price is at mar 31.
[2017-01-02 18:08:46] blurrrrrp : That can be $1500, can be $500..
[2017-01-02 18:09:21] bingbongfly : hobolowbo: correct
[2017-01-02 18:10:20] hobolowbo : bingbongfly: so the extra price compared to the current spot price is intrinsic premium added?
[2017-01-02 18:10:41] hobolowbo : bingbongfly: ie 1090 is the premium paid for time for the current spot price of 1024?
[2017-01-02 18:11:34] blackwhite : right
[2017-01-02 18:11:44] hobolowbo : got ya
[2017-01-02 18:11:47] blackwhite : it's current ptemium
[2017-01-02 18:11:59] hobolowbo : is there a calculator that can help me figure out the margin requirement and bust price in which i'd be liquidated?
[2017-01-02 18:11:59] blackwhite : guys so everyone here pretty sure we go to 980?
[2017-01-02 18:12:43] justinlooking : 9800 cny ?
[2017-01-02 18:12:56] blackwhite : there is a calculator icon near "Place ORder" @hobolowbo
[2017-01-02 18:13:25] blackwhite : nope, 980 pieces of freedom paper
[2017-01-02 18:13:25] hobolowbo : blackwhite: ya but it's only a PNL calc... no margin requirement and bust price
[2017-01-02 18:13:34] youknowit : yeah we are going to 9800 cny blackwhite
[2017-01-02 18:14:04] hobolowbo : sorry to hijack the convo but seriously 9800 CNY?!
[2017-01-02 18:14:22] hobolowbo : the equivalent of 1400 USD???
[2017-01-02 18:14:25] blackwhite : hobolowbo: you can see margin req as "cost" under buy/sell button when you enter your quantity
[2017-01-02 18:15:06] blackwhite : Liq price is shown for my open positions, however I wouldn't trust it 100%, very approximate
[2017-01-02 18:15:13] justinlooking : hobolowbo: was joking
[2017-01-02 18:15:14] justinlooking : sort of
[2017-01-02 18:15:21] hobolowbo : blackwhite: do i need that cost in addition to the BTC i'll need to buy the contracts or is equity counted towards mx requirements
[2017-01-02 18:15:21] hobolowbo : ?
[2017-01-02 18:15:38] hobolowbo : justinlooking: oh lol im dumb
[2017-01-02 18:15:49] justinlooking : that or i'm not funny ;)
[2017-01-02 18:15:58] blackwhite : you need to conform to margin requirement, yeah
[2017-01-02 18:16:07] hobolowbo : justinlooking: i hope your joke becomes reality, let's just say that :-P
[2017-01-02 18:16:16] blackwhite : read about the contracts here
[2017-01-02 18:16:31] youknowit : market making here even manually is lucrative
[2017-01-02 18:16:49] blackwhite : so, besides one joker, we all go to 980. He/she goes to 1400. OK, move guys
[2017-01-02 18:17:29] hobolowbo : blackwhite: 980 USD?
[2017-01-02 18:17:53] justinlooking : blackwhite: thy will be rekt
[2017-01-02 18:18:20] blackwhite : ah why do you think i'm short?
[2017-01-02 18:18:27] blackwhite : maybe I want to add LOL
[2017-01-02 18:18:56] MikeHunt : 1030 me thinks
[2017-01-02 18:18:59] MikeHunt : then who knows
[2017-01-02 18:19:35] hobolowbo : fwiw i think spot price will go to the ATH by the end of the week
[2017-01-02 18:20:11] hobolowbo : what are you guys referring to? the prepetual swap or the Mar 31st?
[2017-01-02 18:20:45] blackwhite : I'm about swap. The future's premium is hard to predict I think
[2017-01-02 18:21:19] blackwhite : obviuosly it's always here azt premium, but whether it's 40 or 100 usd depends on demand and supply
[2017-01-02 18:22:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 1000 @ 7727.8
[2017-01-02 18:22:29] javierstone : whoopsies
[2017-01-02 18:22:39] blackwhite : Oh btw I didn't tried this new XBC yet
[2017-01-02 18:22:47] blackwhite : Is liquidity good there?
[2017-01-02 18:23:21] aethlios : china premium 40 usd, they pump hard.
[2017-01-02 18:23:30] hobolowbo : why is going long on ant XBT Mar 31st shows no bold white line?
[2017-01-02 18:23:34] hobolowbo : no matter what qty i put
[2017-01-02 18:23:41] hobolowbo : even qty that exists in the book
[2017-01-02 18:24:18] blackwhite : Dunno, it does for me. Maybe you have already gone long as much as your acc can
[2017-01-02 18:24:37] hobolowbo : blackwhite: i think i was stupid and had too low of a price
[2017-01-02 18:24:45] javierstone : kraken jsut added monero
[2017-01-02 18:24:47] javierstone : 16.00
[2017-01-02 18:25:06] blackwhite : Actually it does white line even for crazy qty, just buttons are disabled
[2017-01-02 18:26:45] alejandromasari : we need more shorts on bitcoin
[2017-01-02 18:29:41] blackwhite : yeah especially with yuan )
[2017-01-02 18:30:12] blackwhite : to put things fair
[2017-01-02 18:32:37] $$ : Xmr wow
[2017-01-02 18:34:13] youknowit : if xmr can go up this much so can eth
[2017-01-02 18:34:21] shiroe : damn, 4hr 10 straight green candles.
[2017-01-02 18:38:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 60 @ 0.015483
[2017-01-02 18:42:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 706 @ 0.015295
[2017-01-02 18:44:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1059 @ 1024.99
[2017-01-02 18:44:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 29 @ 1023.72
[2017-01-02 18:44:32] youknowit : why are people dumping on bitfinex
[2017-01-02 18:44:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: sell 12 @ 118943
[2017-01-02 18:45:30] BTCDJS : youknowit: you know why
[2017-01-02 18:47:10] MikeHunt : huobi still going strong
[2017-01-02 18:48:32] aethlios : china holds it up, premium yuan in usd now high 42 usd
[2017-01-02 18:49:23] BTCDJS : aethlios: so now you are bullish?
[2017-01-02 18:49:42] BTCDJS : not judging just asking
[2017-01-02 18:50:27] aethlios : BTCDJS: no I sold my btc longs, wait 720-740.
[2017-01-02 18:51:05] PARAFFIN : wut are we dumping?
[2017-01-02 18:52:19] youknowit : say you went 1x short btcusd, since your collateral is btc, that means you are basically just in usd and collecting the funding rate?
[2017-01-02 18:53:10] aethlios : BTCDJS: https://www.tradingview.com/x/hjUb2VsI/ targets to the down are 852, 779, 704
[2017-01-02 18:53:26] aethlios : watch the trend line.
[2017-01-02 18:55:10] aethlios : BTCDJS: I see a nice buy for ETH, could be a bargain here. oversold and possible bottom
[2017-01-02 18:55:11] BTCDJS : aethlios: yeah I have a pitchfork set up. If it breaks the trend line 50-60% retracehttps://www.coinigy.com/s/i/586aa1dd/
[2017-01-02 18:55:29] BTCDJS : aethlios: thanks Ill check it out
[2017-01-02 18:55:44] shiroe : go under 1k! you you.
[2017-01-02 18:56:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 45000 @ 1022.33
[2017-01-02 18:56:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 13847 @ 1021.57
[2017-01-02 18:58:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 147 @ 1020.75
[2017-01-02 18:59:20] aethlios : BTCDJS: https://www.tradingview.com/x/XSWyd09r/ ethbtc, watch the trendline, very oversold coin.
[2017-01-02 19:00:17] gusi : BTCDJS: got the same lines as you
[2017-01-02 19:00:36] PARAFFIN : aethlios: so bitcoin going down you say?
[2017-01-02 19:00:47] BTCDJS : gusi: maybe the lines fooled us both into believing in them
[2017-01-02 19:00:55] BTCDJS : PARAFFIN: no up
[2017-01-02 19:01:03] Headroom : no big reaction again because -5$ for btc ?
[2017-01-02 19:01:30] PARAFFIN : BTCDJS: but @aethlios targeted 720
[2017-01-02 19:01:40] aethlios : PARAFFIN: I can't say that, I don't short, try to buy dumps and sell rallies.
[2017-01-02 19:01:41] MikeHunt : huobi on the march
[2017-01-02 19:01:58] youknowit : here to save the day
[2017-01-02 19:02:59] aethlios : I was long from 575, posting bullish charts, I sold march 1000 to hedge the long and earn the premium, now wait 720-740, maybe open a long to eth while waiting, but I don't short btc.
[2017-01-02 19:04:33] BTCDJS : aethlios: Bullish TK cross on ETH 15min cloud setting 20,60,120,30
[2017-01-02 19:04:33] MikeHunt : aethlios: so what do you buy instead of shorting?
[2017-01-02 19:05:08] BTCDJS : aethlios: price moving through cloud
[2017-01-02 19:05:15] aethlios : maybe eth, but it is not bad to stay out of the market for a while.
[2017-01-02 19:05:42] MikeHunt : aethlios: just hold btc?
[2017-01-02 19:06:05] BTCDJS : MikeHunt: no mike
[2017-01-02 19:06:13] aethlios : MikeHunt: hold usd, holding btc is a btc long position
[2017-01-02 19:06:30] MikeHunt : just wondering why you'd not just short instead of holding usd?
[2017-01-02 19:06:54] Naloxone : aethlios: why you don't short BTC with low leverage and tight stops?
[2017-01-02 19:07:00] aethlios : MikeHunt: or hold btc spot and sell march and earn a decent 6.5% 3month deposit interest while waiting for a better entry.
[2017-01-02 19:07:39] aethlios : Naloxone: because can go much more up, infinite loss when you short.
[2017-01-02 19:08:20] MikeHunt : aethlios: which exchange do you use to hold usd in?
[2017-01-02 19:09:12] aethlios : MikeHunt: you can use bitmex, create a synthetic usd position. deposit here btc and open equivalent short to the swap or march
[2017-01-02 19:10:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1100 @ 1019.91
[2017-01-02 19:11:32] MikeHunt : aethlios: short the perp. swap?
[2017-01-02 19:13:12] Turbo : lots of money long today
[2017-01-02 19:13:17] aethlios : MikeHunt: or the march xbth17 contract. and you can deposit only 20% here and keep 80% to cold storage, but always transfer for adequate margin. if you have now 100k in usd you can earn 6.5% for 3 months while waiting for a correction
[2017-01-02 19:14:22] MikeHunt : 6.5% by going long in 3month?
[2017-01-02 19:14:51] aethlios : MikeHunt: don't you read what i write??
[2017-01-02 19:15:05] sleger : aethlios: if you have 100$ you can also earn 6.5% for 3 months
[2017-01-02 19:15:12] sleger : amount is irrelevant
[2017-01-02 19:15:32] aethlios : i don't have 100$, but i have 100K$
[2017-01-02 19:15:54] sleger : i'm pretty sure if you have 100k$ you also have 100$...
[2017-01-02 19:16:06] Headroom : hahahaha
[2017-01-02 19:16:07] MikeHunt : aethlios: i read it all im just wondering how to implement that though, i know about perp. swap just not familar with the others
[2017-01-02 19:16:30] sleger : aethlios: I apologize
[2017-01-02 19:16:35] sleger : you probably just wanted to brag
[2017-01-02 19:16:37] sleger : and I ruined it
[2017-01-02 19:17:00] aethlios : MikeHunt: can't explain it better.
[2017-01-02 19:17:17] sleger : MikeHunt: apparently you need 100k$
[2017-01-02 19:17:23] sleger : otherwise it doesnt work
[2017-01-02 19:17:41] MikeHunt : aethlios: did you mean go long or short in the xbth17 market though?
[2017-01-02 19:17:50] aethlios : MikeHunt: short.
[2017-01-02 19:18:21] aethlios : 65 usd premium is 6.4% now
[2017-01-02 19:18:43] MikeHunt : aethlios: and hold til 31st march?
[2017-01-02 19:18:58] MikeHunt : errr, just til correction?
[2017-01-02 19:19:59] aethlios : MikeHunt: you have 1020 usd, you can buy 1 btc, then deposit to bitmex and sell 1087 contracts in march. keep until 31 march. and you will earn 6.5% at expiration
[2017-01-02 19:20:15] sleger : see, no need for 100k
[2017-01-02 19:20:32] aethlios : made a 67 usd profit
[2017-01-02 19:20:58] MikeHunt : aethlios: do you consider where we are to be the top?
[2017-01-02 19:21:01] aethlios : this is a synthetic usd deposit
[2017-01-02 19:21:48] aethlios : MikeHunt: I don't know the tops, I just like oversold price levels and dislike overbought price levels.
[2017-01-02 19:22:06] BTCDJS : MikeHunt: RSI
[2017-01-02 19:22:23] MikeHunt : BTCDJS: yeh, my old friend RSI
[2017-01-02 19:22:36] aethlios : so btc could rally to 2,000 and then crash 1,200 and if 1,200 is oversold i will buy. (even if it is higher than now)
[2017-01-02 19:23:03] aethlios : I use MFI, i prefer it from rsi, considers volume also
[2017-01-02 19:24:01] MikeHunt : before i got here and messed up I used to use RSI a lot, wasnt very efficient but made ~$1.5k
[2017-01-02 19:24:15] MikeHunt : with a mixture of chart patterns as well
[2017-01-02 19:24:38] aethlios : for example the crash to 465 because of an irrelevant event (finex hack) was an oversold bargain buy, so 480-530 was a good buy zone.
[2017-01-02 19:25:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: buy 100 @ 0.015695
[2017-01-02 19:25:05] moo : why is stamp so low?????
[2017-01-02 19:25:32] MikeHunt : moo: apparently its same reason mtgox was almost always higher
[2017-01-02 19:25:37] MikeHunt : moo: manipulation
[2017-01-02 19:29:58] MikeHunt : aethlios: yeh i remember riding that one down, it behaved really weird as bitfinex crashed and reopened, the price dropped to 650 then as bitfinex reopened it went to 700 and promptly back down
[2017-01-02 19:30:26] MikeHunt : i guess they just didnt trust em with cash withdrawal
[2017-01-02 19:35:11] sleger : so the index is the average of stamp at 1010 and okc usd at 1030, seems very stable...
[2017-01-02 19:37:03] BTCDJS : By the by. The two most secure exchanges in my opinion is BitMEX and Poloniex. Very good security.
[2017-01-02 19:38:09] sleger : why do you think polo is safer than finex ?
[2017-01-02 19:38:17] aethlios : china premium 44, they hold the price, west is selling.
[2017-01-02 19:39:16] rullwull : polo is suck, better stay away of it. the most secure is btce
[2017-01-02 19:40:51] Naloxone : rullwull: yep, russian tech
[2017-01-02 19:42:40] BTCDJS : sleger: I recently lost my 2FA and it was a bitch for me to get back in because of what they wanted. They want email confirmation for everything and if you have 2FA enabled they want that code for withdrawals API Everything! Its very secure IMO. I sent them a photo of me with drivers licence even before they asked and they told me to delete all traces incase hackers can get into my email and exploit me. That tells me they are security conscious all the time. You have to log into support emails. Its tight!
[2017-01-02 19:43:05] BTCDJS : No hacker is getting in that exchange
[2017-01-02 19:43:27] orly : they got hacked a few years back afaik
[2017-01-02 19:43:36] orly : but handled it professionally from what i hear
[2017-01-02 19:43:44] BTCDJS : orly: well they've upped their game
[2017-01-02 19:43:47] sleger : they have so many vector attacks because of all the altcoins they accept
[2017-01-02 19:44:32] youknowit : go huobi
[2017-01-02 19:44:46] orly : to be fair, with the history of finex, it's not hard for any exchange to be more trustworthy than that
[2017-01-02 19:45:14] BTCDJS : like I say security conscious. Telling me to delete and not send sensitive info unless prompted under secure channels straight away is phenomenal in my eyes
[2017-01-02 19:45:32] cryptobull : freefall coming
[2017-01-02 19:46:10] aethlios : MM for march will dissapear like hundini when crash happens
[2017-01-02 19:46:35] orly : BTCDJS: i'm generally more worried about exchanges running off with my money than hackers
[2017-01-02 19:46:58] $$ : $64 premium. will get to around $40-$45 on crash
[2017-01-02 19:47:22] $$ : i'm short 100x from 1100. up 186% right now. freefall plz
[2017-01-02 19:47:30] BTCDJS : orly: yeah me too. Still not a good idea to keep most funds on exchanges. But at least that is the only thing to worry about with polo
[2017-01-02 19:47:59] aethlios : $$: 10 usd, market will understand that consolidation will follow, so no new rally for 3-4 months
[2017-01-02 19:48:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 500 @ 1018.07
[2017-01-02 19:48:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 284995 @ 1018.07 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2017-01-02 19:48:27] $$ : wow big rekt
[2017-01-02 19:48:36] $$ : dont long the top kids
[2017-01-02 19:48:54] shiroe : ouch
[2017-01-02 19:48:55] $$ : aethlios: yeah i dont think buying bulls want to break ATH. and instead accumulate lower
[2017-01-02 19:48:59] shiroe : lmfao
[2017-01-02 19:49:02] brouk : that hurts
[2017-01-02 19:49:08] moo : i think longing here is good
[2017-01-02 19:49:49] Naloxone : moo: if you want to get rekt
[2017-01-02 19:49:55] rullwull : too early for longs, its just starting to drop
[2017-01-02 19:49:58] MikeHunt : this is clearly overbought
[2017-01-02 19:50:09] aethlios : 14 millions open interest to margin call
[2017-01-02 19:50:25] shiroe : rekt before funding. lol
[2017-01-02 19:51:01] aethlios : let's start rekt fishing
[2017-01-02 19:51:18] MikeHunt : if the bots can caress gently to 1k then we might be able to continue
[2017-01-02 19:51:25] shiroe : there are some bi gfish flying up there.
[2017-01-02 19:51:36] shiroe : whale wanna be eagle.
[2017-01-02 19:52:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 20000 @ 1017.25
[2017-01-02 19:52:30] MikeHunt : shiroe: http://www.asset1.net/tv/pictures/movie/free-willy-1993/freewilly-KA-1.jpg
[2017-01-02 19:52:43] MikeHunt : like that?
[2017-01-02 19:54:25] sleger : 48$ premium on china now great
[2017-01-02 19:54:37] moo : whats a premium
[2017-01-02 19:54:44] sleger : a negative discount
[2017-01-02 19:55:06] aethlios : sleger: I use 50% stamp, 50% finex as west usd, shows me 43 usd premium
[2017-01-02 19:55:46] sleger : i did finex vs huobi
[2017-01-02 19:55:49] rms : China premium cause us banks are closed... fresh fiat hits tomorrow
[2017-01-02 19:56:19] aethlios : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLySXTIBS3c change to btc
[2017-01-02 19:56:35] shiroe : timber?
[2017-01-02 19:56:44] MikeHunt : if you hold xbth17 for a while do you still get a premium in march or do you have to hold the whole way?
[2017-01-02 19:57:11] MikeHunt : (whole to march31st)*
[2017-01-02 19:57:31] MrRGnome : the premium isn't static, could turn intoa discount immediately or never
[2017-01-02 19:57:33] $$ : the old quarterly had a small premium up to the final days
[2017-01-02 19:57:37] $$ : but that was because btc was pumping
[2017-01-02 19:59:26] blackwhite : MikeHunt: Mike, it depends on the premium values when you entered and exited the trade. You can easily be in loss if you sell at lower premium then you buy.
[2017-01-02 20:00:11] $$ : dang that scared me
[2017-01-02 20:00:18] $$ : trading was suspended for a second
[2017-01-02 20:00:53] rowrow : every 8 hours, funding
[2017-01-02 20:01:02] MikeHunt : blackwhite: supposing you shorted/longed in the right direction, would you have to hold your position til mar31 or could you hold for a period and still collect interest?
[2017-01-02 20:01:08] PARAFFIN : REKT:
[2017-01-02 20:01:32] blackwhite : you can close whenever you want
[2017-01-02 20:01:36] aethlios : DROP THE BOMB
[2017-01-02 20:01:48] MikeHunt : blackwhite: would i still get premium in march though?
[2017-01-02 20:01:59] Naloxone : longs are double f*ucked now. short term down trend + large funding
[2017-01-02 20:02:00] blackwhite : you will get one premium and pay another one
[2017-01-02 20:02:09] rowrow : how does the liquidation here work? it shows up for a few seconds and then smashes against the other side?
[2017-01-02 20:02:30] blackwhite : which premium is better, the one you get or the one you pay, depends on the timing of entering posiition and closing it
[2017-01-02 20:02:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 202951 @ 1013.25 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2017-01-02 20:02:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 200 @ 1013.35
[2017-01-02 20:02:58] $$ : ouch 202k
[2017-01-02 20:03:00] $$ : who are these people
[2017-01-02 20:03:10] sleger : small fishes
[2017-01-02 20:03:27] Naloxone : wow, 2 REKTosauruses within 30 min
[2017-01-02 20:03:38] aethlios : no hostages allowd.
[2017-01-02 20:03:40] MikeHunt : blackwhite: so if i opened and closed at a loss now i could get raped in mar31 ?
[2017-01-02 20:03:50] sleger : no
[2017-01-02 20:03:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 500 @ 1012.91
[2017-01-02 20:04:08] sleger : if you close there is no raping on mar31
[2017-01-02 20:04:14] aethlios : MikeHunt: you need to study some books immediately.
[2017-01-02 20:04:24] Gekko : 975 here we come