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[2017-01-02 13:58:59] Rado : MikeHunt: are you out of your short now?
[2017-01-02 13:59:14] Rado : this correction is just starting
[2017-01-02 13:59:31] Rado : I would not suggest to buy the dips anymore
[2017-01-02 13:59:33] arbitrage001 : Rado: the price has gone up like the drop never happen
[2017-01-02 13:59:46] Rado : arbitrage001: talk to me in 2 days
[2017-01-02 13:59:52] arbitrage001 : ok
[2017-01-02 13:59:53] arbitrage001 : sure
[2017-01-02 13:59:59] arbitrage001 : 2 days
[2017-01-02 14:00:04] arbitrage001 : that is 48 hours from now
[2017-01-02 14:00:04] MikeHunt : Rado: yeh since 1005
[2017-01-02 14:00:38] arbitrage001 : Chinese new year is end of this month
[2017-01-02 14:00:50] arbitrage001 : still close to 25 days
[2017-01-02 14:02:17] MikeHunt : is the transaction cost both ways 0.01% ?
[2017-01-02 14:02:18] rullwull : agree with Rado, the correction just started
[2017-01-02 14:04:18] Rado : MikeHunt: trading fee is 0.075%
[2017-01-02 14:04:28] Rado : and yes for every trade
[2017-01-02 14:05:15] MikeHunt : Rado: so a buy and a sell would be 0.15% total?
[2017-01-02 14:05:57] Rado : yes
[2017-01-02 14:06:30] Rado : you need to make more than that to be profitable
[2017-01-02 14:06:41] Rado : that's not hard the way BTC is moving
[2017-01-02 14:07:17] Rado : of course if you are wrong and stop out it's cost of doing business :-)
[2017-01-02 14:07:31] shiroe : bull yesterday for 24hrs, correction for the next 12hrs. rinse and epeat
[2017-01-02 14:08:13] MikeHunt : looks like it could touch the top line continuation line again before dropping again if last two pumps were an indicator in 1hr
[2017-01-02 14:08:19] rowrow : just remember the most valuable piece of advice: never take trading advice from anonymous people on the internet
[2017-01-02 14:09:01] MikeHunt : ive tried shorting this before so im wary
[2017-01-02 14:09:09] MikeHunt : it can do magical things
[2017-01-02 14:09:41] rms : the funny thing about my buy when it goes up trading strategy is that i always end up in the red for a bit
[2017-01-02 14:09:44] rms : and then it just goes up gain
[2017-01-02 14:10:15] Rado : rowrow: specially in a trollbox
[2017-01-02 14:11:04] gartley : buy high sell low
[2017-01-02 14:12:25] Rado : gartley: that's the best startegy
[2017-01-02 14:12:31] rms : buy high sell higher
[2017-01-02 14:12:48] rms : or buy buy high and hold till settlement
[2017-01-02 14:12:56] shiroe : buy and forget.
[2017-01-02 14:12:57] rms : do we all really think btc will be 1080 on march 31st?
[2017-01-02 14:13:08] alejandromasari : no
[2017-01-02 14:13:35] alejandromasari : xbth17 will fade to meet the spot price near expiration
[2017-01-02 14:13:46] Apocalyptic : rms: the market does
[2017-01-02 14:14:07] Angelika : alejandromasari: spot price could be $1200 on March 31
[2017-01-02 14:14:20] alejandromasari : we will see
[2017-01-02 14:14:22] shiroe : 'recovery they said'
[2017-01-02 14:14:57] rowrow : could be 1200, could be 800, could be 2000, could be 400
[2017-01-02 14:14:59] rullwull : Angelika: or 800$
[2017-01-02 14:15:09] Angelika : yep
[2017-01-02 14:15:27] Angelika : rowrow: I don't think 400
[2017-01-02 14:15:34] Angelika : all other are possible ;-)
[2017-01-02 14:15:59] rowrow : rough to pay a 5% fee each 3 months though - yeah probably not but you never know, enough developer infighting, bad news out of china, etc.
[2017-01-02 14:16:28] Angelika : rowrow: momentum is too strong
[2017-01-02 14:16:34] Angelika : and I am not talking about trading
[2017-01-02 14:17:05] Angelika : use of BTC in applications, payment processing, transmission of funds etc
[2017-01-02 14:17:20] rowrow : i agree it's unlikely without bad news, i'm generally bullish at the moment - but i do think it's a possibility
[2017-01-02 14:17:20] shiroe : action in t minus 12mins
[2017-01-02 14:17:38] rullwull : most possible dump and than few months sideways
[2017-01-02 14:17:43] Angelika : rowrow: well, everything it's possible
[2017-01-02 14:18:21] MikeHunt : it seems after last pump it came up way to quick meaning a hard retest
[2017-01-02 14:19:47] Naloxone : If Bitcoin corrects further, ETH may start a bullrun
[2017-01-02 14:20:17] MikeHunt : Naloxone: eth a good hedge?
[2017-01-02 14:21:28] rullwull : eth is scam, 4 forks already
[2017-01-02 14:22:15] Naloxone : MikeHunt: Longed ETH at 790 when Bitcoin was at the top
[2017-01-02 14:22:15] rowrow : the initial distribution and hype of eth never sat well with me, but then it kept going up anyway - don't know enough to judge the tech
[2017-01-02 14:22:19] anduck : eth is scam
[2017-01-02 14:23:15] tommygunn : rullwull: @anduck are scam artists I heard on redit
[2017-01-02 14:23:45] anduck : who are+
[2017-01-02 14:24:12] anduck : ohh, you heard anduck = scam artist in reddit? link? :)
[2017-01-02 14:24:40] rullwull : what is reddit?
[2017-01-02 14:25:07] anduck : @tommygunn: source? :)
[2017-01-02 14:25:29] anduck : really interested in that theory xD
[2017-01-02 14:26:00] anduck : it must be the jackasses at rBtc? they have an excellent track record in spreading bullshit
[2017-01-02 14:27:03] rowrow : market temporarily stable? lame
[2017-01-02 14:27:36] shiroe : the candle is green, but the volume is low. round 2 later.
[2017-01-02 14:29:22] PlatoWright : rullwull: reddit is a website with forums where many aspects of bitcoin and crypto are discussed
[2017-01-02 14:29:45] rullwull : i was kidding)
[2017-01-02 14:30:30] PlatoWright : rullwull: ok ;)
[2017-01-02 14:35:55] aethlios : 3.3 mill dumped on swap
[2017-01-02 14:36:07] paniktrade : man these bots are fugging retarte
[2017-01-02 14:36:09] MikeHunt : aethlios: where do you see that?
[2017-01-02 14:36:13] paniktrade : just look at the books
[2017-01-02 14:36:17] paniktrade : tf they doing?
[2017-01-02 14:36:30] $$ : china going for new high
[2017-01-02 14:36:52] aethlios : MikeHunt: chart shows volume for every 5 min candle. press + sympol
[2017-01-02 14:38:01] rowrow : different bots do different things, some bots just try to get a good buy price, some ping pong to profit the spread, others arbitrage
[2017-01-02 14:38:30] paniktrade : well this bot is just putting and order and canceling its like 3 times a second
[2017-01-02 14:38:31] rowrow : others try to profit on technical analysis algorithms - this site is apparently over 1/3rd bots
[2017-01-02 14:38:46] aethlios : pump orders on okcoin futures
[2017-01-02 14:38:50] rowrow : might just be badly programmed
[2017-01-02 14:38:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 5000 @ 1021.89
[2017-01-02 14:39:07] l3f : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCCNY/QtB0KPEc-Bitcoin-Ascension-2-0-You-Can-Not-Abort/
[2017-01-02 14:39:10] alejandromasari : Liquidated short on XBTUSD: buy 5000 @ 1021.89 << this is what happens when you chase
[2017-01-02 14:39:12] alejandromasari : LOLOL
[2017-01-02 14:39:15] alejandromasari : suckkkers
[2017-01-02 14:39:47] laisee : bot % == 451/847 == 53%
[2017-01-02 14:39:52] MikeHunt : aethlios: hmm not sure where the + symbol is
[2017-01-02 14:40:16] Angelika : MikeHunt: top left corner
[2017-01-02 14:40:26] Angelika : laisee: this is your bot?
[2017-01-02 14:40:54] aethlios : MikeHunt: does your graph show you H, L, O, C??? high low open close prices???
[2017-01-02 14:41:31] REKT : Choppy waters make solid seamen!
[2017-01-02 14:41:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 50 @ 1022.45
[2017-01-02 14:41:32] Angelika : laisee: oh I see
[2017-01-02 14:41:44] Angelika : you are just posting the chat numbers
[2017-01-02 14:41:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 5000 @ 1023.14
[2017-01-02 14:41:54] MikeHunt : aethlios: doesnt appear to
[2017-01-02 14:41:58] Angelika : some of the users are also bots
[2017-01-02 14:41:58] alejandromasari : Liquidated short on XBTUSD: buy 50 @ 1022.45 <<< YOU DONT SHORT A BULL MARKET BUDDD YOU WILL GET REKT
[2017-01-02 14:42:07] Angelika : so teh % is not exactly correct
[2017-01-02 14:42:10] l3f : alejandromasari: that might be a mm lol
[2017-01-02 14:42:18] laisee : those numbers are connected sessions via API and logged-in users
[2017-01-02 14:42:35] laisee : some overlap, yes
[2017-01-02 14:42:53] aethlios : MikeHunt: click settings button, then background and check OHLC
[2017-01-02 14:43:03] $$ : 21 cny away from new high in china
[2017-01-02 14:43:13] $$ : dump and pump. china style
[2017-01-02 14:43:38] aethlios : then try to find + next to O and click it to open, you see volume for every candle.
[2017-01-02 14:44:39] MikeHunt : aethlios: the little grey O ?
[2017-01-02 14:44:56] MikeHunt : aethlios: oh i see
[2017-01-02 14:45:02] MikeHunt : aethlios: volume displayed top left
[2017-01-02 14:45:51] aethlios : choose 5 minutes, candles, and place cursor to a candle bar and you see the volume in usd
[2017-01-02 14:46:38] aethlios : if you choose 1 hour you see volume for each hour etc.
[2017-01-02 14:47:14] MikeHunt : last big red hammer shaped one was 4.6 million $ ?
[2017-01-02 14:47:24] MikeHunt : (in 1hr)
[2017-01-02 14:48:54] aethlios : MikeHunt: true, go 5 minutes, in 10 minutes 3.6 mill
[2017-01-02 14:48:57] shiroe : Trying hard to go up, seems failing.
[2017-01-02 14:49:43] MikeHunt : aethlios: yeh i see now, thanks for your help!
[2017-01-02 14:50:01] aethlios : very manipulative pump, a big whale went out in good price with volume
[2017-01-02 14:50:19] l3f : aethlios: how much volume?
[2017-01-02 14:50:22] shiroe : profit taking initated :)
[2017-01-02 14:50:47] shiroe : i am out. lmfao.
[2017-01-02 14:50:48] aethlios : l3f: volume huge across exchanges, here 3.5 million in 10 minutes
[2017-01-02 14:51:04] MikeHunt : downward?
[2017-01-02 14:51:10] l3f : aethlios: which one?
[2017-01-02 14:51:44] aethlios : l3f: what do you mean?? we had a 30 usd dump an hour ago
[2017-01-02 14:52:03] l3f : The volume is about the same as the pump though
[2017-01-02 14:52:34] l3f : oh bitstamp
[2017-01-02 14:52:40] shiroe : buying at 980. going to sleep. goodluck!
[2017-01-02 14:53:05] rullwull : volumes are very low on usd spots even comparing with last summer pump
[2017-01-02 14:53:31] dannybreal : noone needs crappy usd anymore lol
[2017-01-02 14:53:37] l3f : rullwull: that's to be expected, the price's higher
[2017-01-02 14:53:39] ayy_lmao : this is number 1 bullshit
[2017-01-02 14:53:52] justinlooking : long wheelbarrows
[2017-01-02 14:54:03] rullwull : check 2013 november volumes, same price
[2017-01-02 14:54:31] MikeHunt : crash incoming unavoidable now then? or at least a sharp correction?
[2017-01-02 14:54:41] MikeHunt : i dont like the steepness either
[2017-01-02 14:54:53] dannybreal : volume started picking up late 15'
[2017-01-02 14:55:17] aethlios : MikeHunt: crash will come and retrace 70% of the gains, but we don't know from what top.
[2017-01-02 14:55:36] dannybreal : lol why
[2017-01-02 14:55:48] MikeHunt : so 1100/1200 is a pipe dream now?
[2017-01-02 14:55:59] MikeHunt : or at least for a few days?
[2017-01-02 14:56:26] Headroom : same story again and again, same words, same reaction X times / day for absolutly nothing at the end (I'm making this comment one time / day too haha)
[2017-01-02 14:56:40] dannybreal : you wallstreet guys a ridiculous, BTC is god , eveeryone wants it , its not a stock ffs
[2017-01-02 14:56:47] Headroom : market doesn't move today, comments are useless
[2017-01-02 14:57:02] Headroom : let's dance naked with a mojito ho my fucking god
[2017-01-02 14:57:13] Headroom : arf this corrector again
[2017-01-02 14:57:26] laisee : u mean trollbox doesn't move the markets?
[2017-01-02 14:57:38] laisee : Somepne lied.
[2017-01-02 14:57:58] aethlios : 6 months ago people were dumping below 500 and now pumping above 1,000. no news, no fix to scalability issue, blocks full, but speculation is king.
[2017-01-02 14:58:32] MikeHunt : didnt the US invent bitcoin to bankrupt non-aligned nations?
[2017-01-02 14:58:46] Headroom : this is one of the theories
[2017-01-02 14:58:57] MikeHunt : wasnt bitcoin the derivative of an NSA 1996 paper on cryptocurrencies?
[2017-01-02 14:59:02] Headroom : and it could be it, it could be asecret nazi plan too, it could be so many things
[2017-01-02 14:59:32] MikeHunt : Headroom: well the US did help the nazis for a while lol
[2017-01-02 14:59:47] Headroom : hahaha it will add value to the theory so
[2017-01-02 14:59:49] MikeHunt : Headroom: that documentary iron sky said they are now living on the moon waiting to come back ;)
[2017-01-02 15:00:10] Headroom : nice funny movie in many ways
[2017-01-02 15:00:22] MikeHunt : i think they are making a 2nd one
[2017-01-02 15:00:27] laisee : aethlios: there is hope for resolution of the scaling issue with BU option.
[2017-01-02 15:00:44] dannybreal : and yet BTC transactions better faster than swift fiat shit :D
[2017-01-02 15:01:35] dannybreal : chinese capital controls pushing the price atm
[2017-01-02 15:01:55] dannybreal : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-02/bitcoin-surges-above-1000-china-unveils-new-capital-controls
[2017-01-02 15:01:55] ayy_lmao : china and their full retraces
[2017-01-02 15:02:37] dannybreal : this party won't stop, ever. period
[2017-01-02 15:03:01] MikeHunt : china does have the power to destroy or severly limit bitcoin though
[2017-01-02 15:03:35] dannybreal : no why would they wanna do it , its their train to become superpower
[2017-01-02 15:03:56] laisee : only for short time, its protocol not a single server or system
[2017-01-02 15:03:59] MikeHunt : dannybreal: supposedly to defend the yuan
[2017-01-02 15:04:28] paniktrade : MikeHunt: yuan doesnt lose value or even leave china
[2017-01-02 15:04:45] paniktrade : when u buy btc in china some1 is taking ur yuan
[2017-01-02 15:04:49] dannybreal : chinese are smart , yuan is protected by the 4trillion of us treasury bonds
[2017-01-02 15:04:58] paniktrade : thus no yuan leaves the country
[2017-01-02 15:05:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 5000 @ 1092.45
[2017-01-02 15:05:14] ayy_lmao : doublr banga
[2017-01-02 15:05:16] ayy_lmao : lmao
[2017-01-02 15:05:24] MikeHunt : paniktrade: yuan may not leave the country but value supposedly does
[2017-01-02 15:05:25] $$ : fomo shorters get rekt again
[2017-01-02 15:05:27] laisee : Japanese own more US trasuries than China. its been selling for last two years.
[2017-01-02 15:05:59] laisee : and China foreign reserves are droping by 1TN per yr.
[2017-01-02 15:06:01] $$ : xbth17 double topped 1094
[2017-01-02 15:06:04] paniktrade : MikeHunt: well china loves to deval anyways so good for them :D
[2017-01-02 15:06:08] dannybreal : japan is us vassale
[2017-01-02 15:08:43] dannybreal : anyone got a spare mil? buy 900 000 contracts - long and take the price to 1200 , wud b fun .D
[2017-01-02 15:09:38] gladimor : @dannybreak, the bots would hammer the price back to mark price in under a minute :P
[2017-01-02 15:09:56] dannybreal : :D
[2017-01-02 15:10:17] shiroe : the mil is already bitcoin so, it could be fun to 850 as well
[2017-01-02 15:11:21] dannybreal : no, parity with gold and then everyone will be thinking why tf i havent already bought in :D and the floodgates open
[2017-01-02 15:11:58] laisee : wonder who would they would sell the 900k contracts to @ 1200?
[2017-01-02 15:18:03] BTCDJS : Is trading on bitmex through coinigy available yet?
[2017-01-02 15:21:18] BTCDJS : Sam? Wally? Candyman candyman candyman
[2017-01-02 15:23:00] BitMEX_Greg : BTCDJS: I am not aware, we can look into it though
[2017-01-02 15:23:12] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Greg: Ahh Greg
[2017-01-02 15:23:23] BTCDJS : The only one I didn't think of
[2017-01-02 15:24:00] BitMEX_Greg : im always here US hours :)
[2017-01-02 15:25:02] BTCDJS : Ok then all my questions get directed at you from now on. Thanks for nominating yourself ?
[2017-01-02 15:26:29] BitMEX_Greg : No worries
[2017-01-02 15:30:18] Vijuu : Unrealised means what ?
[2017-01-02 15:31:40] BitMEX_Sam : Coinigy still only supports balances
[2017-01-02 15:31:54] BitMEX_Greg : Vijuu: this is profit or loss that has not been released, realised or locked in yet
[2017-01-02 15:32:19] BTCDJS : ok thanks
[2017-01-02 15:32:51] Vijuu : Its showing me in red
[2017-01-02 15:33:11] BitMEX_Sam : AFAIK Coinigy is still working on margin trading, but it's quite complicated even to display vs. spot so there is still some pending work.
[2017-01-02 15:33:26] Vijuu : What is mark price
[2017-01-02 15:34:20] BTCDJS : Oh yeah that makes sense
[2017-01-02 15:34:45] BTCDJS : didn't think about that
[2017-01-02 15:35:00] Vijuu : As soon as I buy or sell it shows me profit do I get those money?
[2017-01-02 15:35:08] BTCDJS : better just to trade here
[2017-01-02 15:36:28] Vijuu : ??
[2017-01-02 15:36:36] BTCDJS : the charts on Coinigy are excellent though
[2017-01-02 15:37:38] BTCDJS : Vijuu: It will take you a while to get used to trading here. It doesn't just work like that.
[2017-01-02 15:38:07] odieoh : mark price is what your actual profit or loss is based off of
[2017-01-02 15:38:14] BTCDJS : Vijuu: you went long right?
[2017-01-02 15:38:27] Vijuu : Hmm
[2017-01-02 15:38:38] Vijuu : Yes
[2017-01-02 15:38:53] odieoh : the other prices are just what people are willing to pay, either above or below the mark price-if they pay more, they are paying a premium, if they pay less then they are getting a discount
[2017-01-02 15:39:18] Vijuu : K
[2017-01-02 15:39:26] BTCDJS : Vijuu: that unrealised profit is the difference between last price and mark price. You will only get that profit if you sell your contracts at the mark price
[2017-01-02 15:40:02] justinlooking : give me rekt in my rekt i rekt
[2017-01-02 15:40:03] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 2000 @ 1093.76
[2017-01-02 15:40:08] Vijuu : Odieoh: thank you
[2017-01-02 15:40:29] odieoh : No problem :)
[2017-01-02 15:41:12] Vijuu : BTCDJD : Thanks a lot
[2017-01-02 15:42:15] BTCDJS : Vijuu: no problem. If you want to go long. Best time to get in is when the last traded price is lower than the mark price. Takes longer to get liquadated
[2017-01-02 15:42:27] BTCDJS : same for reverse
[2017-01-02 15:42:36] BTCDJS : if you short
[2017-01-02 15:43:28] BTCDJS : forget about unrealised profit. Only use it as a guide. Better to work out where you buy to where you sell
[2017-01-02 15:43:37] shiroe : is this double top?
[2017-01-02 15:43:56] odieoh : assuming it stops going up
[2017-01-02 15:44:01] BTCDJS : shiroe: let me ask the oracle
[2017-01-02 15:44:44] BTCDJS : she says look inside. You know the answer
[2017-01-02 15:45:08] odieoh : Augur hasn't launched yet; but when it does you'll have a better oracle :)
[2017-01-02 15:45:36] BTCDJS : odieoh: I invested in REP at crowd sale
[2017-01-02 15:45:45] BTCDJS : Made a pretty good profit
[2017-01-02 15:46:02] BTCDJS : shame about ethereum
[2017-01-02 15:46:17] odieoh : Nice, me too. .. I'm still holding. Bought a bit more a week or so ago when it was at .0028
[2017-01-02 15:46:18] BTCDJS : I think it messed with REP price
[2017-01-02 15:46:39] BTCDJS : I dumped all of it
[2017-01-02 15:46:50] odieoh : I should have; would have been able to buy double
[2017-01-02 15:46:53] elmorte : BitMEX_Greg: @BitMEX_Sam Happy New Year guys! Do you know why none of the XBC series are on Trading View...or how to get to them?
[2017-01-02 15:47:15] elmorte : XBT and XBJ are there...
[2017-01-02 15:48:45] BTCDJS : odieoh: wish I placed bids at 0.00025
[2017-01-02 15:48:52] BTCDJS : Instant profit
[2017-01-02 15:49:02] odieoh : From the hack?
[2017-01-02 15:49:02] BitMEX_Greg : elmorte: We need to reach out to them. I guess as it is a relatively new product
[2017-01-02 15:49:10] BTCDJS : yeah lol
[2017-01-02 15:49:18] odieoh : Yeah me too, was kicking myself
[2017-01-02 15:50:15] elmorte : BitMEX_Greg: Oh, alright...so the charts displayed here use their engine but local data?
[2017-01-02 15:51:07] BitMEX_Greg : elmorte: that's a better question for Sam. I believe it's as you say though
[2017-01-02 15:51:08] Vijuu : Can I change leverage after order
[2017-01-02 15:51:18] BitMEX_Greg : Vijuu: yes just userhe leverage slider
[2017-01-02 15:51:26] BTCDJS : if you have more margin
[2017-01-02 15:51:30] BitMEX_Greg : use the*
[2017-01-02 15:51:35] shiroe : where is my panic button.. hmmm
[2017-01-02 15:51:36] BTCDJS : but if you went all in no
[2017-01-02 15:51:56] Vijuu : K
[2017-01-02 15:52:10] Vijuu : Thank you
[2017-01-02 15:55:27] Naloxone : ETH is about to break out, now waiting for Bitcoin down movement confirmation
[2017-01-02 16:03:27] alejandromasari : guys don't short unless u wanna get wrecked
[2017-01-02 16:03:41] rowrow : and if i do?
[2017-01-02 16:03:46] anonymous123421 : kek
[2017-01-02 16:03:50] Headroom : yes, short it! give your food and be eaten alive
[2017-01-02 16:03:55] ayy_lmao : that double banga
[2017-01-02 16:04:13] MikeHunt : this sorta looks very bullish and bearish at same time
[2017-01-02 16:04:21] Headroom : it is nothing right now
[2017-01-02 16:04:45] alejandromasari : new 2017 high coming up and the sky is the limit!!
[2017-01-02 16:05:08] MikeHunt : 8k+ is target and i think its gone too steep to correct now
[2017-01-02 16:05:43] Headroom : 10.000 for btc or die, it's a religion I just created
[2017-01-02 16:05:46] ayy_lmao : lol first we have to clear ath before 8k is even in the picture
[2017-01-02 16:05:50] rowrow : i always wonder if tax considerations around new year will have much effect on trading, probably not though
[2017-01-02 16:06:00] alejandromasari : when will the shorts give up
[2017-01-02 16:06:05] alejandromasari : all I see is wrecked
[2017-01-02 16:06:16] WhiteJacket : 7400 china
[2017-01-02 16:06:35] MikeHunt : huobi 1100 might be a shorter
[2017-01-02 16:06:41] Headroom : 421 fidji islands
[2017-01-02 16:06:46] MikeHunt : near 1100-1200 is dodgy imo
[2017-01-02 16:07:08] justinlooking : lol short
[2017-01-02 16:07:55] $$ : not sure what xbth17 is waiting for
[2017-01-02 16:08:14] alejandromasari : $$: xbth17 is a scam it lags the spot price
[2017-01-02 16:08:36] sleger : ^ "wall st trader" starts calling everything a scam
[2017-01-02 16:08:37] $$ : over 5 million contracts and no shorts want to panic close
[2017-01-02 16:09:08] alejandromasari : sleger <<< cockroach is back stomp on him
[2017-01-02 16:09:33] sleger : hey you called yourself a wall st trader
[2017-01-02 16:09:39] sleger : i never called myself a cockroach
[2017-01-02 16:09:40] sleger : be nice
[2017-01-02 16:09:49] BTCDJS : XBTH17 is futures right?
[2017-01-02 16:09:53] Headroom : yup
[2017-01-02 16:10:07] BTCDJS : alejandromasari: you said you traded futures
[2017-01-02 16:11:00] alejandromasari : BTCDJS: I trade real futures /es /gc /si /cl
[2017-01-02 16:11:18] alejandromasari : xbth17 is garbage compared to those futures
[2017-01-02 16:11:28] alejandromasari : poor liquidity
[2017-01-02 16:12:03] BTCDJS : alejandromasari: this site is fairly new. Liquidity is building over time
[2017-01-02 16:12:18] BTCDJS : more users required
[2017-01-02 16:12:18] alejandromasari : BTCDJS: ok we wait then. give it a chance
[2017-01-02 16:12:44] BTCDJS : no scams here though
[2017-01-02 16:13:28] alejandromasari : BTCDJS: ok no scams maybe I should call it a disappointment instead
[2017-01-02 16:13:35] sleger : fairly new : >2 years
[2017-01-02 16:13:52] BTCDJS : sleger: but in bitcoin space
[2017-01-02 16:14:06] sleger : yes you should go to localbitcoins and trade your bitcoins with people you can meet on "Wall st"
[2017-01-02 16:14:21] MikeHunt : i dont use xbth17 simply because i dont understand the benefit over swap
[2017-01-02 16:14:37] sleger : MikeHunt: it is fixed vs floating rate
[2017-01-02 16:14:43] BTCDJS : lower fees
[2017-01-02 16:14:50] sleger : BTCDJS: not necessarily
[2017-01-02 16:16:07] justinlooking : megarektosaurus looming
[2017-01-02 16:16:55] bingbongfly : MikeHunt: different fees, potentially lower fees. usually lower fees on longer timeframes. Spot is more for explosive short term moves
[2017-01-02 16:16:57] fineregex : MikeHunt: guaranteed financing costs.
[2017-01-02 16:17:24] PARAFFIN : lol i make so much money here xD
[2017-01-02 16:17:27] bingbongfly : and that too @fineregex
[2017-01-02 16:17:44] bingbongfly : PARAFFIN: 100x leverage tends to do that
[2017-01-02 16:18:11] PARAFFIN : too risky @bingbongfly
[2017-01-02 16:18:58] bingbongfly : PARAFFIN: everyone thinks they are a good trader when the only direction is up.. :)
[2017-01-02 16:19:12] rowrow : yeah anything more than 20x seems pretty crazy, and even then you better be watching closely
[2017-01-02 16:20:07] zach719 : bingbongfly: exactly just wait untill a dump :)
[2017-01-02 16:20:34] PARAFFIN : zach719: im long @980
[2017-01-02 16:21:02] zach719 : PARAFFIN: whats ur liq?
[2017-01-02 16:21:16] PARAFFIN : zach719: 954
[2017-01-02 16:21:31] zach719 : ok not to bad
[2017-01-02 16:21:45] zach719 : so leverage at what? like 20x?
[2017-01-02 16:22:15] PARAFFIN : zach719: bought some at 10 then mixed with 25
[2017-01-02 16:23:07] zach719 : PARAFFIN: you should be fine but i wouldve probably sold by now and have taken the profits
[2017-01-02 16:23:41] rowrow : pshhh, profits just mean you can releverage even more
[2017-01-02 16:23:51] zach719 : PARAFFIN: you can always go back in later when it drops a little
[2017-01-02 16:24:51] rowrow : no guarantee it ever will (though that wouldn't be a bad problem to have)
[2017-01-02 16:29:52] PARAFFIN : zach719: i only sell some % of profit and reinvest
[2017-01-02 16:31:04] WhiteJacket : is any of you using HFT MM here?
[2017-01-02 16:34:04] MikeHunt : correction time soon i think
[2017-01-02 16:34:18] youknowit : wow these markets are ez
[2017-01-02 16:35:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 80299 @ 1031.16 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-01-02 16:35:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 15 @ 0.008130
[2017-01-02 16:35:56] Naloxone : wohoo, a real volatility came
[2017-01-02 16:36:03] MikeHunt : 980 correction i think
[2017-01-02 16:36:21] PARAFFIN : lol
[2017-01-02 16:36:39] startChat : sell sell!
[2017-01-02 16:36:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 10000 @ 1030.39
[2017-01-02 16:37:11] Naloxone : ETH can be a good hedge. check the charts and decide
[2017-01-02 16:37:58] PARAFFIN : mini dump
[2017-01-02 16:38:09] youknowit : LOL thanks for the coins
[2017-01-02 16:39:21] MikeHunt : each pump had a gap of ~4.5 days
[2017-01-02 16:39:24] MikeHunt : we are due for dump
[2017-01-02 16:39:28] alejandromasari : youknowit: haha lol
[2017-01-02 16:39:56] Naloxone : youknowit: you are about to get rekt if you bought the dip
[2017-01-02 16:40:13] MikeHunt : looks like a double top
[2017-01-02 16:40:15] MikeHunt : in 1hr
[2017-01-02 16:40:19] youknowit : okay... let's see the shorts get rekt
[2017-01-02 16:40:47] Headroom : I call that "double boobs" but it means what it means: everything could happen
[2017-01-02 16:40:54] MikeHunt : true
[2017-01-02 16:41:05] MikeHunt : im not saying a full on crash
[2017-01-02 16:41:08] MikeHunt : but a correction is due
[2017-01-02 16:41:13] MikeHunt : going by the last two waves
[2017-01-02 16:41:50] alejandromasari : if I am using 1x do I have to pay the fudning rate???
[2017-01-02 16:42:00] youknowit : alejandromasari: probably yeah
[2017-01-02 16:42:02] sleger : think about it
[2017-01-02 16:42:04] youknowit : they are swaps
[2017-01-02 16:42:08] tommygunn : drop damit only hit partial fills
[2017-01-02 16:42:13] MikeHunt : alejandromasari: i think its only 1x the funding fee
[2017-01-02 16:42:22] youknowit : tommygunn: hidden orders ftw
[2017-01-02 16:42:25] tommygunn : amazing china really trying to drop it
[2017-01-02 16:42:32] tommygunn : look at volume
[2017-01-02 16:42:42] tommygunn : so far no go
[2017-01-02 16:42:44] BTCDJS : tommygunn: volume in china is fake
[2017-01-02 16:43:03] tommygunn : we know that they still run the show
[2017-01-02 16:43:07] Apocalyptic : tommygunn: trying to drop it ? Every dip is bought insanely fast
[2017-01-02 16:43:16] tommygunn : like it or not
[2017-01-02 16:43:18] zach719 : Apocalyptic:yup
[2017-01-02 16:43:26] MikeHunt : i think they will buy it until they decide to drop it
[2017-01-02 16:43:30] MikeHunt : if we all get used to dip buying
[2017-01-02 16:43:39] MikeHunt : they will eventually not support it
[2017-01-02 16:43:41] zach719 : does anyone have a calculator sort of thing to calculate profits?
[2017-01-02 16:43:42] MikeHunt : we will be left with the bag
[2017-01-02 16:43:49] MikeHunt : zach719: got android phone?
[2017-01-02 16:43:52] BTCDJS : I have no opinions for or against china. Im just telling you the volume is doctored
[2017-01-02 16:43:59] zach719 : MikeHunt: nope
[2017-01-02 16:44:13] tommygunn : my 25 git for 1/4 fill
[2017-01-02 16:44:16] tommygunn : hit
[2017-01-02 16:44:33] MikeHunt : zach719: https://easybitcoincalculator.com/
[2017-01-02 16:44:50] zach719 : MikeHunt: thanks
[2017-01-02 16:44:56] tommygunn : nice candle on eth
[2017-01-02 16:46:24] youknowit : eth isn't staying below .008, should go towards .009
[2017-01-02 16:46:52] moo : why the mark price is so different from offered prices
[2017-01-02 16:47:00] tommygunn : my sell is right there for it, possibly
[2017-01-02 16:47:59] sleger : moo: https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBTUSD
[2017-01-02 16:48:01] sleger : search mark
[2017-01-02 16:48:49] youknowit : what do you know panic sell was wrong
[2017-01-02 16:49:42] Headroom : hedoesntknowit
[2017-01-02 16:53:03] MikeHunt : i know u guys laugh at shorters but that last mega sale could have been the china whales
[2017-01-02 16:53:18] MikeHunt : and westerners are responsible for retrace
[2017-01-02 16:53:23] MikeHunt : meaning we = holding bag
[2017-01-02 16:53:44] moo : how are westerners responsible
[2017-01-02 16:53:48] moo : all the volume is china
[2017-01-02 16:54:03] Headroom : we are always responsible of everything anyway huhu
[2017-01-02 16:54:16] MikeHunt : moo: okcoin/huobi is open for westerners to trade on?
[2017-01-02 16:54:31] MikeHunt : perhaps i better say its the fomo's
[2017-01-02 16:56:28] rullwull : cny spots mostly used by people who live in china, need a local mob number, chinese bank acc
[2017-01-02 16:57:58] rowrow : was curious why coinmarketcap seemed to miss all the big chinese exchanges, managed to not notice they were all halfway down the page
[2017-01-02 16:58:21] sleger : no, you can transfer btc there, sell them rebuy them and withdraw them you dont need to have anything chinese to trade there as long as its btc in/out
[2017-01-02 16:58:48] rowrow : any of them worth trading on?
[2017-01-02 16:59:00] sleger : just like any exchange
[2017-01-02 16:59:05] sleger : if you can make money yes
[2017-01-02 16:59:28] Rado : hey sleger
[2017-01-02 16:59:33] Rado : you are too nice to new users today
[2017-01-02 16:59:36] Rado : :-0
[2017-01-02 16:59:42] sleger : only the not stupid ones
[2017-01-02 16:59:49] Rado : he he
[2017-01-02 17:00:13] Rado : I changed my female name
[2017-01-02 17:00:47] sleger : to a new one ?
[2017-01-02 17:00:56] Rado : no
[2017-01-02 17:01:00] Rado : I have the same on both accounts
[2017-01-02 17:01:05] Rado : Wally did it for me somehow
[2017-01-02 17:01:25] sleger : yeah how could you prove you were the same person
[2017-01-02 17:01:26] Angelika : This is from the other one
[2017-01-02 17:01:35] Angelika : oh
[2017-01-02 17:01:38] sleger : well looke like its still a girly
[2017-01-02 17:01:39] Angelika : not changed yet
[2017-01-02 17:01:47] Angelika : maybe you can't have the same
[2017-01-02 17:02:03] Angelika : I have a request with him
[2017-01-02 17:02:11] Angelika : if you can't have the same I asked for Rado2
[2017-01-02 17:02:50] Rado : sleger: still in the US?
[2017-01-02 17:03:24] justinlooking : bitmex can u fix the orderbook sell-side size-column worked-order-tooltip plz k ty
[2017-01-02 17:04:25] justinlooking : should show "offering" like price column does
[2017-01-02 17:04:52] justinlooking : and total column does
[2017-01-02 17:05:48] sleger : Rado: few more hours yes
[2017-01-02 17:06:06] Rado : have a safe flight back
[2017-01-02 17:07:40] Rado : I am building a XBTH17 short around these prices
[2017-01-02 17:08:36] youknowit : Can you lend btc and earn interest here?
[2017-01-02 17:09:34] rullwull : i 2013 i had to pas verification level 2 for okc cny where local mob and chinese bank acc were needed, without level 2 they didn't allow to deposit btc, don't know how its now @sleger
[2017-01-02 17:09:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 7000 @ 1029.98
[2017-01-02 17:09:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 2000 @ 1088.03
[2017-01-02 17:11:06] Rado : youknowit: yes
[2017-01-02 17:11:19] Rado : when funding rate is positive you can short XBTUSD
[2017-01-02 17:12:42] cryptobull : dump round 2?
[2017-01-02 17:13:14] Rado : dump just starting
[2017-01-02 17:13:22] Rado : but I might be wrong
[2017-01-02 17:13:29] Rado : that's why I use stops
[2017-01-02 17:13:32] sleger : Rado: sold some h17 at 1100 too
[2017-01-02 17:13:40] Rado : :-)
[2017-01-02 17:14:46] rowrow : anyone know how the chinese exchanges without a trading fee make money?
[2017-01-02 17:15:06] lockhedge : there is a hidden buy wall @ 1027.50
[2017-01-02 17:15:21] sleger : i wasnt around for the dump earlier but got some nice orders filled : XBTUSD 2600 1000.80 XBTUSD 2600 1005.80
[2017-01-02 17:15:24] Rado : rowrow: they have other services that are paid
[2017-01-02 17:15:36] Rado : sleger: he he
[2017-01-02 17:15:38] Rado : nice
[2017-01-02 17:15:53] BTCDJS : Greg?
[2017-01-02 17:16:03] Rado : how do you decide where to add buy orders?
[2017-01-02 17:16:08] BTCDJS : Bitmex Greg? you there mate?
[2017-01-02 17:16:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 100 @ 7695.1
[2017-01-02 17:16:23] Naloxone : ETH is taking off
[2017-01-02 17:16:38] BTCDJS : Sam?
[2017-01-02 17:16:56] Rado : BTCDJS: no one is online in the chat
[2017-01-02 17:17:07] Rado : but you can say BitMEX support and they might show up
[2017-01-02 17:17:25] Rado : or email them at support@bitmex.com
[2017-01-02 17:17:30] BTCDJS : BitMEX support
[2017-01-02 17:17:45] BTCDJS : yeah Ill just email them
[2017-01-02 17:19:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 1028.20
[2017-01-02 17:19:58] Naloxone : youknowit: Still long?
[2017-01-02 17:21:03] youknowit : yup
[2017-01-02 17:21:14] youknowit : don't go trying to liquidate me now ;)
[2017-01-02 17:21:49] Naloxone : youknowit: what is your liquidation price?
[2017-01-02 17:22:10] youknowit : lol
[2017-01-02 17:22:30] aethlios : eth bottomrd???
[2017-01-02 17:23:14] youknowit : notice predicted funding rate is 10x less than current
[2017-01-02 17:23:24] youknowit : lota shorts
[2017-01-02 17:24:13] Naloxone : aethlios: Most likely. 0.0073 was the probably the bottom
[2017-01-02 17:24:19] rowrow : thought it was more based on the comparative price between exchanges, shorts and longs always cancel
[2017-01-02 17:24:24] rowrow : 1:1
[2017-01-02 17:27:57] Headroom : 3
[2017-01-02 17:28:03] Headroom : 2
[2017-01-02 17:28:07] Headroom : 1
[2017-01-02 17:28:11] Headroom : caution!
[2017-01-02 17:28:21] Headroom : aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand nothing
[2017-01-02 17:28:42] youknowit : Headroom: you scared me there
[2017-01-02 17:28:55] BTCDJS : Rado: You're freaking me out. Are you male or female?
[2017-01-02 17:29:14] Rado : I have a dick
[2017-01-02 17:29:24] BTCDJS : transexual?
[2017-01-02 17:29:28] Rado : lol
[2017-01-02 17:29:30] Headroom : ho yes he has, we all saw it the last night at the club
[2017-01-02 17:29:33] Rado : no, please
[2017-01-02 17:29:39] BTCDJS : why pick the name angelika?
[2017-01-02 17:29:40] Rado : media is pushing this shit a lot
[2017-01-02 17:29:48] Rado : that's my wife's name
[2017-01-02 17:29:52] l3stat : Kraken opens XMR trading?
[2017-01-02 17:30:05] l3stat : Is it gonna moon?
[2017-01-02 17:30:05] Rado : she wants to trade as well, but using the account for the bot
[2017-01-02 17:30:27] BTCDJS : ah so this whole time we been talking to you?
[2017-01-02 17:31:58] Naloxone : BTCDJS: looooooooooool
[2017-01-02 17:32:25] BTCDJS : Naloxone: whats so funny?
[2017-01-02 17:33:19] BTCDJS : just wanted clarification because he said "she wants to trade here"
[2017-01-02 17:40:55] BitMEX_Greg : BTCDJS: Am here, apologies for delay
[2017-01-02 17:42:39] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Greg: Ive lost access to my clef account. Is there any chance I can create a new one with clef but change the email and other requirements for clef sign in on my account?
[2017-01-02 17:45:33] BitMEX_Greg : BTCDJS: Unsure of this. Can you please email support and I'll have Sam take a look
[2017-01-02 17:45:40] BTCDJS : ok
[2017-01-02 17:50:01] Naloxone : I think ETH will hit 0.1 within 24 hours
[2017-01-02 17:52:37] youknowit : Naloxone: yeah it's been down far too long
[2017-01-02 17:53:25] Naloxone : youknowit: did you hedge your BTC long with ETH long?
[2017-01-02 17:53:35] youknowit : yes
[2017-01-02 17:53:48] youknowit : but they might both go up
[2017-01-02 17:56:37] youknowit : funding rate is of the full borrowed value right?
[2017-01-02 17:57:48] Naloxone : Eth may go up together with BTC, but not much, up to like 0.89. But a noticeable BTC drop most likely will start an ETH bull run to 0.01 and beyond