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<< >> English 中文 Русский 한국어 日本語 Español Français [2017-01-02 05:40:59] imapotato : $10,000 by January 10th? [2017-01-02 05:40:59] qwerti : ok gtg bros [2017-01-02 05:41:12] imapotato : 2018 [2017-01-02 05:41:17] qwerti : happy trades, and remember: if you have weak hands, gtfo. you don't deserve this run [2017-01-02 05:41:28] alejandromasari : @laisee cool how do I sign up for his newsletter? [2017-01-02 05:43:19] laisee : I don't recall signing up, check with bitmex folks if you;re not receiving at your email. maybe in junk mail folder? [2017-01-02 05:43:50] alejandromasari : Dtrade16: go to tradingview.com and lookup xbtusd [2017-01-02 05:44:28] Dtrade16 : How do I compare though? [2017-01-02 05:44:32] Dtrade16 : it's confusing [2017-01-02 05:45:20] Angelika : Correction of $40 is coming [2017-01-02 05:48:48] shery : Angelika: are you sure? [2017-01-02 05:49:05] evilminer : How about ~$20? And, we're done. ;-) [2017-01-02 05:49:29] Angelika : 50k contracts sure [2017-01-02 05:49:53] nOgAnOo : it's pressed up against me I think I'm gonna get filled [2017-01-02 05:50:02] Angelika : If I was 100% sure I will trade 1 mill contracts [2017-01-02 05:50:14] shery : Angelika: lmfao [2017-01-02 05:50:41] shery : Angelika: I am expecting nother Leg up before we correct [2017-01-02 05:50:47] MikeHunt : shery: +1 [2017-01-02 05:50:50] arbitrage001 : good afrternoon [2017-01-02 05:50:54] arbitrage001 : how is everyone doing [2017-01-02 05:50:59] Angelika : Possible [2017-01-02 05:51:03] MikeHunt : shery: although it could correct here and still continue [2017-01-02 05:51:05] arbitrage001 : enjoying they new found wealth? [2017-01-02 05:51:15] arbitrage001 : the [2017-01-02 05:51:23] Angelika : Already negative divergances on many timeframes [2017-01-02 05:51:27] arbitrage001 : at shorty expense [2017-01-02 05:51:49] nOgAnOo : My friend just doubled his account in 20 minutes! [2017-01-02 05:51:53] shery : MikeHunt: It seems very strong , no seeling volume, easily climbng uper levels, push seems to be easy and near [2017-01-02 05:52:27] arbitrage001 : yes, push baby [2017-01-02 05:52:31] arbitrage001 : i can see the baby's head [2017-01-02 05:52:33] nOgAnOo : push and fill me [2017-01-02 05:52:47] nOgAnOo : ohhh 20,000 [2017-01-02 05:52:50] nOgAnOo : that must be johnny [2017-01-02 05:53:42] alejandromasari : What is the average size leverage used around here @bitmex_jinming [2017-01-02 05:54:22] arbitrage001 : alejandromasari: dont think they know [2017-01-02 05:54:42] arbitrage001 : calculating average is not easy task [2017-01-02 05:55:05] alejandromasari : What is typical size lev used? More than 10x ? [2017-01-02 05:55:46] Angelika : alejandromasari: all my trades are under2 [2017-01-02 05:56:16] nOgAnOo : high risk unprotected trading [2017-01-02 05:59:19] Angelika : 2 contract MM showed up [2017-01-02 05:59:33] Angelika : Someone testing I guess [2017-01-02 06:00:11] arbitrage001 : Angelika: the one quoting 500 is your mm? [2017-01-02 06:00:24] Angelika : Yes [2017-01-02 06:00:43] alejandromasari : Angelika: you're risk averse [2017-01-02 06:00:46] arbitrage001 : do you have working api for finex? [2017-01-02 06:01:10] Angelika : No [2017-01-02 06:01:19] arbitrage001 : alejandromasari: risk is easily control by adjusting size [2017-01-02 06:01:42] alejandromasari : Angelika: very conservative... I thought I was conservative with 7x leverage [2017-01-02 06:01:44] arbitrage001 : alejandromasari: and 500 size is not risk averse when testing [2017-01-02 06:02:34] j8 : if you're trading bitcoin at all you're probably not that risk averse [2017-01-02 06:02:48] arbitrage001 : j8: yea [2017-01-02 06:02:49] Angelika : alejandromasari: It's not conservative if you have a lot of btc in the account [2017-01-02 06:02:58] nOgAnOo : it looks like the 1 contract market maker has tripled his account already [2017-01-02 06:03:00] arbitrage001 : having bitcoin alone make you super risky person [2017-01-02 06:03:21] alejandromasari : bitcoin has been my most successful trade... never lost on it!! [2017-01-02 06:03:47] alejandromasari : im up overall been holding 1x since $400 [2017-01-02 06:03:47] arbitrage001 : in a perpertual bull market, almost everyone make money [2017-01-02 06:03:51] Angelika : I can trade 200k contracts and still be under 2 leverage [2017-01-02 06:04:05] alejandromasari : Angelika: you dont need leverage [2017-01-02 06:04:38] Angelika : MM upgraded to 3 contracts [2017-01-02 06:04:40] Angelika : Lol [2017-01-02 06:05:03] BTCBull : Is anyone here familiar with the Bitmex API? [2017-01-02 06:05:04] nOgAnOo : I am honored to be among such successful traders [2017-01-02 06:05:06] Angelika : They are profitable in this low volatility [2017-01-02 06:05:12] nOgAnOo : I hope that the wealth trickles down. hehe [2017-01-02 06:05:38] alejandromasari : Angelika: how long have you been trading? [2017-01-02 06:05:47] Angelika : nOgAnOo: you got filled [2017-01-02 06:05:58] arbitrage001 : BTCBull: https://www.bitmex.com/app/apiOverview [2017-01-02 06:06:01] nOgAnOo : I am the 300 now man [2017-01-02 06:06:02] Angelika : alejandromasari: bitcoin or anything? [2017-01-02 06:06:09] nOgAnOo : trading at 70x leverage [2017-01-02 06:06:18] nOgAnOo : up to 0.0036 [2017-01-02 06:06:18] BTCBull : arbitrage001: I'm reading through that now [2017-01-02 06:06:26] nOgAnOo : 40% gains in an hour [2017-01-02 06:06:43] nOgAnOo : wow, johnny is back with the real money [2017-01-02 06:06:43] arbitrage001 : BTCBull: https://github.com/BitMEX/sample-market-maker [2017-01-02 06:06:43] laisee : BTCBull: see https://github.com/BitMEX/sample-market-maker for sample code [2017-01-02 06:06:45] BTCBull : arbitrage001: Trying to find an endpoint that provides historical candle stick prices [2017-01-02 06:06:55] BTCBull : I'll check that out too [2017-01-02 06:07:50] kryptopojken : how can i remove so i cant see my open orders in the chart? [2017-01-02 06:07:55] kryptopojken : it's cluttering it [2017-01-02 06:08:05] alejandromasari : Angelika: anything [2017-01-02 06:08:20] nOgAnOo : It looks like the Mini Market Maker is almost to 4 contracts now [2017-01-02 06:08:23] Angelika : 17 years [2017-01-02 06:08:25] nOgAnOo : that's 400%! [2017-01-02 06:08:41] j8 : BTCBull: check out `/trade/bucketed` [2017-01-02 06:08:59] alejandromasari : Angelika: wow 17 years!! you are definitely older than me [2017-01-02 06:09:08] j8 : https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Trade/Trade_getBucketed [2017-01-02 06:09:09] Angelika : Lol [2017-01-02 06:09:20] alejandromasari : Angelika: are you on stocktwits? I'm 34 [2017-01-02 06:09:39] Angelika : Yes [2017-01-02 06:09:44] alejandromasari : Angelika: been at this for 8 years [2017-01-02 06:09:47] BTCBull : j8: Checking that one out now [2017-01-02 06:09:54] alejandromasari : Angelika: what is your stocktwits profile? [2017-01-02 06:10:20] Angelika : I don't post there [2017-01-02 06:10:45] alejandromasari : Angelika: mine is http://stocktwits.com/AlejandroMasari [2017-01-02 06:10:57] BTCBull : j8: You rock [2017-01-02 06:11:26] j8 : :+1: [2017-01-02 06:11:48] Angelika : BTCBull: he is the best [2017-01-02 06:12:11] j8 : if only angelika was really a girl... [2017-01-02 06:12:22] Angelika : Ha ha [2017-01-02 06:12:37] arbitrage001 : alejandromasari: mine is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Buffett [2017-01-02 06:13:25] alejandromasari : arbitrage001: I think you meant warren bluffit [2017-01-02 06:13:46] alejandromasari : arbitrage001: http://stocktwits.com/WarrenBluffit?q=WarrenBluffit [2017-01-02 06:18:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 2000 @ 1083.17 [2017-01-02 06:18:55] alejandromasari : @REKT keep up the bit rex [2017-01-02 06:19:05] mariomarco : any admin here? [2017-01-02 06:21:06] alejandromasari : eth going to have a nice pop in the next 8 hrs [2017-01-02 06:22:50] nOgAnOo : Fill my 35 short please [2017-01-02 06:23:05] mariomarco : can anybody explain the thievery [2017-01-02 06:23:10] mariomarco : i do a test long [2017-01-02 06:23:16] mariomarco : 999 to 1012 [2017-01-02 06:23:20] mariomarco : 4400$ [2017-01-02 06:23:24] mariomarco : profit 0.03 [2017-01-02 06:23:25] mariomarco : WTF [2017-01-02 06:23:28] mariomarco : x25 [2017-01-02 06:28:06] happy : Anyone shorting this? [2017-01-02 06:28:09] MikeHunt : mariomarco: so you wanted to do 4400x25? [2017-01-02 06:28:36] arbitrage001 : happy: i am [2017-01-02 06:28:56] happy : arbitrage001: What's the leverage ? [2017-01-02 06:28:57] happy : I am shorting this too [2017-01-02 06:29:11] MikeHunt : happy: no, this should go higher although it may correct to 975 lowest [2017-01-02 06:29:22] mariomarco : MikeHunt: no i did do it [2017-01-02 06:29:23] arbitrage001 : happy: less than 20% of my capital [2017-01-02 06:29:26] mariomarco : and got only 0.03 [2017-01-02 06:29:29] mariomarco : instead of 0.05 [2017-01-02 06:29:36] alejandromasari : mariomarco: you paid too much in fees [2017-01-02 06:29:51] mariomarco : alejandromasari: how so [2017-01-02 06:29:58] happy : try to become a maker instead of taker [2017-01-02 06:30:16] mariomarco : happy: ok im being stupid here, how do i become a maker [2017-01-02 06:30:17] alejandromasari : mariomarco: did you buy on the ask and sell on the bid? then you got swindled with fees [2017-01-02 06:30:27] alejandromasari : mariomarco: use limit orders mate [2017-01-02 06:30:30] j8 : mariomarco: you probably paid funding too [2017-01-02 06:30:35] happy : Set buy/Sell Limit, do not buy market [2017-01-02 06:30:46] happy : or sell market [2017-01-02 06:30:57] arbitrage001 : hard to resist the juicy funding [2017-01-02 06:30:59] mariomarco : so thats the whole key? to MAKE my own price, not TAKE whats available? [2017-01-02 06:31:09] happy : Basically , Limit order = Maker ; Market order = Taker [2017-01-02 06:31:10] arbitrage001 : so, i am going to short more if it keeps up [2017-01-02 06:31:58] happy : you pay 0.075% for become a Taker; You receive 0.025% for become a maker [2017-01-02 06:32:24] alejandromasari : mariomarco: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees [2017-01-02 06:32:27] happy : This is 0.1% difference. If you doing it with 10x leverage; This is 1% of your money [2017-01-02 06:33:17] arbitrage001 : i dont expect anyone to be here for long if he use higher than 5x leverage [2017-01-02 06:33:27] mariomarco : happy: holy sheet, does my making price have to be unique? [2017-01-02 06:33:50] mariomarco : arbitrage001: im doign x25 x50, with realtime TA [2017-01-02 06:34:01] mariomarco : im doing fine, but i got fucked on fees aparently [2017-01-02 06:34:01] arbitrage001 : mariomarco: ok.. [2017-01-02 06:34:17] BTCBull : arbitrage001: You don't use more than 5x leverage? [2017-01-02 06:34:20] arbitrage001 : mariomarco: are you super wealthy by now? [2017-01-02 06:34:36] alejandromasari : mariomarco: the 50x leverage took your account [2017-01-02 06:34:37] arbitrage001 : BTCBull: i dont use higher than 2x leverage even if i have an edge [2017-01-02 06:34:45] happy : Just be aware of that, you are paying a lot of FEEs [2017-01-02 06:35:04] BTCBull : arbitrage001: Are you trading with lots of BTC? [2017-01-02 06:35:17] arbitrage001 : BTCBull: of course not [2017-01-02 06:35:21] BTCBull : arbitrage001: I'm too worried about exchanges going under and taking the BTC with them. [2017-01-02 06:35:23] mariomarco : happy: i will do as you told me from now [2017-01-02 06:35:40] BTCBull : arbitrage001: Smaller stash on here, with higher leverage means average trades with less risk [2017-01-02 06:36:02] happy : mariomarco: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees [2017-01-02 06:36:09] happy : check this website for more detail [2017-01-02 06:47:55] alejandromasari : arbitrage001: I think your shorts are going to pay you [2017-01-02 06:48:29] arbitrage001 : alejandromasari: yes [2017-01-02 06:48:40] arbitrage001 : that is the point [2017-01-02 06:48:52] arbitrage001 : no one going to short if not for the funding [2017-01-02 06:48:59] arbitrage001 : in a strong bull trend [2017-01-02 06:51:03] alejandromasari : xbth17 is sooo not liquid!! [2017-01-02 06:51:43] arbitrage001 : how so [2017-01-02 06:52:03] arbitrage001 : i see 53k+ on bid size within 3 dollars range [2017-01-02 06:52:17] arbitrage001 : and over 20k+ on ask size within 8 dollars range [2017-01-02 06:52:30] mariomarco : happy: even if i made a mistake and took both taker fee, thats only 3.75% on 25x, wheres the rest of the profit then [2017-01-02 06:52:43] alejandromasari : arbitrage001: there is less volume on it... less trades happening [2017-01-02 06:53:09] evilminer : alejandromasari: Market is not moving. What do you expect? Waiting on move (up). ;-) [2017-01-02 06:53:12] alejandromasari : arbitrage001: hard to be a maker if no one is buying [2017-01-02 06:53:20] arbitrage001 : over 7.7 contracts changes hand in the last 24 hours [2017-01-02 06:53:26] arbitrage001 : 7.7M contrancts [2017-01-02 06:53:36] happy : mariomarco: If you become a taker, You pay 0.075% YOU will not loose this much, if you become a maker. [2017-01-02 06:53:38] shery : evilminer: it is moving up evrytime it is silent for a while from yesterday [2017-01-02 06:53:44] alejandromasari : compare that to xbtusd 7.7 million is small [2017-01-02 06:54:28] evilminer : shery: Yes, big(ger) move coming when it does this. Still long? [2017-01-02 06:54:34] mariomarco : happy: i know but between 999 and 1012 thats 1.3% on 25x [2017-01-02 06:54:46] mariomarco : 4400$ thats 0.05 profit [2017-01-02 06:54:56] shery : evilminer: I will short 1020 + , but for now ,it seems we will move more up, [2017-01-02 06:55:24] shery : evilminer: closed my long of 933 at 998, re bougt at 1001, and holding [2017-01-02 06:55:42] happy : mariomarco: What's the Quantity you bought [2017-01-02 06:55:45] j8 : mariomarco: you paid funding, it was high last session, 0.2787% [2017-01-02 06:56:04] arbitrage001 : j8: yea, nice funding [2017-01-02 06:56:20] mariomarco : j8: omg, stupid scammers . thank you [2017-01-02 06:56:22] j8 : nice for us :) [2017-01-02 06:56:22] evilminer : I've been waiting for one more big move. But, these smaller moves may be the best thing to go above ATH. If we just spike, we will retest hard. [2017-01-02 06:56:40] happy : mariomarco: Yea. Funding is stupid too [2017-01-02 06:56:47] alejandromasari : mariomarco: try to avoid paying the funding\ [2017-01-02 06:56:56] shery : evilminer: 1030 on bitmex is looking real, but anything above that surely I will short [2017-01-02 06:57:30] MikeHunt : in the 1hr doesn't this all look like a continuation pattern upwards? [2017-01-02 06:57:50] happy : MikeHunt: Check 1Week chart [2017-01-02 06:57:51] j8 : mariomarco: the swap trades higher after funding, part of the reason you got that 1.3% when spot moved less than that [2017-01-02 06:57:53] shery : MikeHunt: yeah it does, but if we fell, we will be in danger [2017-01-02 06:58:10] shery : MikeHunt: correction would be big and healthy one [2017-01-02 06:59:06] happy : I really want to short Bitcoins based on 1Week chart. But I don't know what's the best price for shorting this. [2017-01-02 07:00:04] shery : MikeHunt: 1k is a cyclogical barrier of long and short it would be difficult to climb back up in shorting pressure [2017-01-02 07:00:06] evilminer : shery: I think we touch and maybe go above ATH. But, it may a few more days. It'll never happen how we think or want it to. [2017-01-02 07:00:31] alejandromasari : cyclogical... nice word, i learned some cool english today lol [2017-01-02 07:00:32] evilminer : may take* [2017-01-02 07:00:42] MikeHunt : some said that mtgox manipulated the price way up beyond 1k [2017-01-02 07:00:48] shery : evilminer: we will flash down anytime , but the point is wheere is the ATH [2017-01-02 07:01:02] MikeHunt : maybe huobi & co. is doing the same with a similar idea in mind and we are all in a bull trap from 1k up [2017-01-02 07:01:33] MikeHunt : i think most people are assuming the 2013 ath is legitimate, it may not be [2017-01-02 07:01:47] shery : MikeHunt: They always wanna cheat west , sunday and new year was supposed to be dump days , but they wanna dump when we feel that we are moving more Up [2017-01-02 07:02:05] nOgAnOo : Johnny are you here? Look at the low sell volume. You could totally pump that. C'mon Johnny5k! [2017-01-02 07:02:50] alejandromasari : nOgAnOo: johnny is gone... suckling on his mama's nipples... bed time... [2017-01-02 07:03:01] shery : alejandromasari: Lol [2017-01-02 07:03:44] nOgAnOo : His momma's nipples do taste good.. [2017-01-02 07:04:11] alejandromasari : this xbh17 is soooo illiquid it has not traded in 30 mins!! [2017-01-02 07:04:11] MikeHunt : alejandromasari: bitty? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyHm8oqkOB0&t=1m05s [2017-01-02 07:04:13] shery : nOgAnOo: have you tried?? [2017-01-02 07:05:21] evilminer : alejandromasari: It'll move soon... [2017-01-02 07:05:28] alejandromasari : MikeHunt: yes that's johnny in the bitty video [2017-01-02 07:05:54] alejandromasari : https://youtu.be/tyHm8oqkOB0?t=121 [2017-01-02 07:06:19] MikeHunt : alejandromasari: lol [2017-01-02 07:06:21] evilminer : China doesn't even know what to do. LOL [2017-01-02 07:06:22] shery : alejandromasari: many here do swaps [2017-01-02 07:06:41] mariomarco : flash crash [2017-01-02 07:06:55] nOgAnOo : Yeah, people are afraid to buy [2017-01-02 07:06:57] alejandromasari : shery: the swap was expensive .27% funding rate! [2017-01-02 07:07:01] nOgAnOo : 750 dollars just weeks ago lol [2017-01-02 07:07:18] nOgAnOo : Pretty sure I'm gonna hold my short from here for the megadump [2017-01-02 07:07:26] nOgAnOo : Too high too fast..... [2017-01-02 07:07:27] shery : alejandromasari: may be becaouse market doesnt reacts muc quickly [2017-01-02 07:08:54] alejandromasari : I got a strategy working for swap [2017-01-02 07:09:02] alejandromasari : I am going to make 2 bitmex accounts [2017-01-02 07:09:07] alejandromasari : long / short [2017-01-02 07:09:27] mariomarco : alejandromasari: and? [2017-01-02 07:09:33] MikeHunt : nOgAnOo: but also scared of selling because they get squeezed [2017-01-02 07:09:34] alejandromasari : time the short well and collect the fee [2017-01-02 07:09:51] MikeHunt : alejandromasari: where would you put a short on this? [2017-01-02 07:10:07] alejandromasari : MikeHunt: 30 mins before the swap comes up... [2017-01-02 07:10:24] alejandromasari : I dont want to short bitcoin for longer than 1 hour [2017-01-02 07:10:35] imapotato : why the wide spread on XBTH17 [2017-01-02 07:10:49] alejandromasari : because it is illiquid as fkkk [2017-01-02 07:10:57] laisee : sellers and buyers are not friends [2017-01-02 07:10:58] evilminer : No one wants to sell. [2017-01-02 07:10:59] MikeHunt : alejandromasari: what about those of us on xbtusd? [2017-01-02 07:11:19] alejandromasari : MikeHunt: you will pay / receivefunding [2017-01-02 07:11:52] evilminer : Someone make a market buy on an exchange. That'll make it move. ;-) [2017-01-02 07:12:08] MikeHunt : perhaps it may just float around here until something happens [2017-01-02 07:12:17] MikeHunt : every previous flash crash had an event iirc [2017-01-02 07:12:20] alejandromasari : someone needs to buy 10, 000 bitcoin and move the market up [2017-01-02 07:12:45] cryptobull : I'll do it [2017-01-02 07:13:39] evilminer : Someone in China heard us. ;-) [2017-01-02 07:14:10] shery : pump time [2017-01-02 07:14:30] alejandromasari : evilminer: the chinese are on the other side of this chat [2017-01-02 07:14:33] MrRGnome : I'm so happy I could pee [2017-01-02 07:15:07] alejandromasari : this xbth17 does not fken moooooove [2017-01-02 07:15:14] evilminer : Surprised no dump then. [2017-01-02 07:15:29] shery : alejandromasari: is this normal or just today becaouse i am in xbt 17 [2017-01-02 07:15:37] shery : just for today [2017-01-02 07:16:02] alejandromasari : shery: it is not liquid at all, we must go back to xbtusd swap [2017-01-02 07:17:05] shery : alejandromasari: swap is fine always moves [2017-01-02 07:17:19] alejandromasari : shery: swap is better [2017-01-02 07:17:46] shery : alejandromasari: I only traded 17 today , seems good for shorting price drops quickly [2017-01-02 07:18:06] alejandromasari : shery: it drops quickly because it is not liquid [2017-01-02 07:18:19] shery : alejandromasari: liquid means? [2017-01-02 07:18:53] evilminer : not a lot of orders. Gaps in prices. [2017-01-02 07:18:55] alejandromasari : shery: ability to buy and sell without slippage high trading volume tight spreads [2017-01-02 07:18:59] yle : hi cosmo [2017-01-02 07:19:09] shery : alejandromasari: Oh got you [2017-01-02 07:19:19] yle : @cosmo, why you noob? [2017-01-02 07:21:50] alejandromasari : shery: where r u from? [2017-01-02 07:22:00] shery : alejandromasari: pakistan [2017-01-02 07:22:16] alejandromasari : ke se ho [2017-01-02 07:22:29] shery : alejandromasari: you from? [2017-01-02 07:22:36] alejandromasari : shery: canada [2017-01-02 07:22:37] shery : alejandromasari: Super fine [2017-01-02 07:22:45] shery : alejandromasari: pakistani? [2017-01-02 07:22:59] alejandromasari : shery: السلام عليكم [2017-01-02 07:23:05] alejandromasari : shery: no Im no paki [2017-01-02 07:23:09] shery : alejandromasari: w,salam [2017-01-02 07:23:20] shery : alejandromasari: how do you know urdu? [2017-01-02 07:23:54] alejandromasari : shery: tum se mohabato oy gey hey lolol [2017-01-02 07:24:02] alejandromasari : I dont know very much just a few words [2017-01-02 07:24:16] shery : alejandromasari: mujhay he tm sy mubaat ho gae hy [2017-01-02 07:24:17] alejandromasari : I have a friend from pakistan [2017-01-02 07:24:32] alejandromasari : I learn quick [2017-01-02 07:24:51] shery : alejandromasari: nice to meet you !, Those sentences are a bit difficult to learn [2017-01-02 07:25:20] alejandromasari : yeah I know 4 languages it is easy for me to learn [2017-01-02 07:25:48] alejandromasari : shery: بحكي عربي [2017-01-02 07:26:03] shery : alejandromasari: nice [2017-01-02 07:27:21] evilminer : Time to move... [2017-01-02 07:27:35] shery : yeah it should, enough hanging here [2017-01-02 07:28:58] mariomarco : crash mofo [2017-01-02 07:29:34] alejandromasari : lol someone painted the bid with 20 contracts on xbth17 [2017-01-02 07:31:10] alejandromasari : shery: do you trade the swap? [2017-01-02 07:31:22] alejandromasari : shery: swap is riba! [2017-01-02 07:31:35] evilminer : swap moves. ;-) [2017-01-02 07:31:55] alejandromasari : evilminer: xbth17 sleeps while swap moves [2017-01-02 07:33:30] alejandromasari : shery: ربا حرام [2017-01-02 07:33:33] evilminer : bid the xbth17 up alejandro! [2017-01-02 07:34:31] evilminer : It'll be worth it... I think. [2017-01-02 07:34:33] alejandromasari : evilminer: let nature take its course. [2017-01-02 07:35:54] alejandromasari : evilminer: go ask the china men on the Huobi to make a kung-fu move on btc and bid it up with 50,000 bitcoins [2017-01-02 07:36:17] evilminer : alejandromasari: Being a trader, do you use mental or physical stops? [2017-01-02 07:36:38] alejandromasari : evilminer: mental mostly I manage by hedging [2017-01-02 07:36:52] evilminer : What's your hedge on BTC? [2017-01-02 07:37:04] alejandromasari : evilminer: if I am in trouble I'll go short in a seperate account [2017-01-02 07:37:11] alejandromasari : as a hedge [2017-01-02 07:38:40] alejandromasari : pro traders dont use stops they hedge [2017-01-02 07:39:11] alejandromasari : evilminer: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-i-stopped-using-stop-loss-orders-2013-05-09 [2017-01-02 07:39:40] alejandromasari : evilminer: http://www.swing-trade-stocks.com/stop-loss-orders.html [2017-01-02 07:40:20] alejandromasari : evilminer: Large enough institutional traders cannot use stop losses, which is a whole different level of stuff. But they don't go in without precautions. They can hedge with (inversely) correlated other securities and / or they may use options. [2017-01-02 07:41:26] evilminer : I understand all the jargon. :-) [2017-01-02 07:42:28] alejandromasari : evilminer: a short-term fluctuation may trigger your stop price prematurely. [2017-01-02 07:42:40] alejandromasari : this is why I stopped using a stop loss order [2017-01-02 07:42:43] alejandromasari : it's is bullshit [2017-01-02 07:43:00] evilminer : I pretty much use same technique (mental stop, but no hedge. One of the biggest reasons why I don't use physical stops. [2017-01-02 07:43:09] ayy_lmao : this is number 1 bullshit [2017-01-02 07:43:31] alejandromasari : evilminer: After an instrument is sold at a popular stop-loss price, it reverses direction and rallies. Another disadvantage is that you are giving control of your sell order to the the system. [2017-01-02 07:43:50] alejandromasari : evilminer: I hedge I dont use stops. [2017-01-02 07:44:00] alejandromasari : short the swap in another account... [2017-01-02 07:44:10] j8 : a lot of people here use liquidations as stops, which is even worse in most cases [2017-01-02 07:44:47] alejandromasari : liquidation price is where I want to set my limit orders so I can buy someone else's loss [2017-01-02 07:44:59] alejandromasari : his loss my gain. sadly that's how the market works. zero sum [2017-01-02 07:45:01] j8 : alejandromasari: no need for another account though, just reduce your position [2017-01-02 07:45:03] alejandromasari : especially with swaps [2017-01-02 07:45:37] alejandromasari : j8: that would entail taking a loss on a short term dip... no. [2017-01-02 07:45:47] evilminer : I love when I see red and I want to buy/sell into it! [2017-01-02 07:45:53] j8 : there's really no difference [2017-01-02 07:46:16] alejandromasari : OMG this xbh17 does not fken move!! [2017-01-02 07:46:17] j8 : you're still taking the loss, just on another account so you don't see it [2017-01-02 07:46:28] alejandromasari : bitcoin at all time highs and this shit is stuck [2017-01-02 07:46:52] evilminer : I moved it a little earlier. ;-) [2017-01-02 07:47:03] shery : evilminer: I moved it [2017-01-02 07:47:40] alejandromasari : hey xbth17, I want a refund!! [2017-01-02 07:47:49] odieoh : Wait, how can you tell where liquidations will happen? [2017-01-02 07:47:52] shery : alejandromasari: long or short? [2017-01-02 07:47:57] evilminer : Wait until Mar 31. LOL [2017-01-02 07:48:33] arbitrage001 : i am going out to jogging [2017-01-02 07:48:40] arbitrage001 : you guys have fun [2017-01-02 07:48:54] arbitrage001 : gain 5 kg during new year. good lord [2017-01-02 07:48:57] evilminer : odieoh: REKT reminds you. And, you will see red orders in order book. [2017-01-02 07:49:27] shery : silenece before the bitcoin storm [2017-01-02 07:49:34] evilminer : REKT-bot* [2017-01-02 07:49:52] odieoh : Rekt meaning it just reports it when it happens eh? [2017-01-02 07:50:28] evilminer : Yes. [2017-01-02 07:52:00] odieoh : But I don't see anything in the orderbook that helps me. . . my own sell orders are darker red than the other orders, but nothing besides that [2017-01-02 07:52:46] gusi : because there are no liquidations order at the moment @odieoh [2017-01-02 07:53:36] odieoh : Oooh. . .I thought you meant like it showed a price point at which various users would get liquidated, if it reached that point [2017-01-02 07:53:50] evilminer : Need big rise or dump, then you'll see them. [2017-01-02 07:53:59] gusi : people get rekt when the market dumps/pumps [2017-01-02 07:54:15] shery : here comes the pump [2017-01-02 07:54:17] odieoh : Yeah, I get that, but it happens so quick, can you take advantage of it that way? [2017-01-02 07:54:55] evilminer : The text is RED and if you highlight them it'll say liquidation. I don't see them very often as most are absorbed so quickly in heavily traded times! [2017-01-02 07:54:57] evilminer : MOVEMENT! [2017-01-02 07:55:32] odieoh : So there's not actually that much movement on the mark price. .. but the contract price is pumping nicely [2017-01-02 07:55:33] evilminer : Happy? @alejandromasari [2017-01-02 07:55:47] odieoh : I think that's why the march contracts arent really moving? [2017-01-02 07:56:17] mariomarco : why is the price so different from the mark [2017-01-02 07:56:21] evilminer : UPPPpppp! [2017-01-02 07:56:32] odieoh : IDK but it's going to make for a nice funding rate! [2017-01-02 07:56:52] ayy_lmao : rip bottom shorters [2017-01-02 07:56:53] ayy_lmao : im never wrong! [2017-01-02 07:58:23] MikeHunt : in soviet china bitcoin shorts you....said someone [2017-01-02 07:59:01] mariomarco : fucking scam [2017-01-02 07:59:18] m3s : 10$ over index wat [2017-01-02 08:00:16] nOgAnOo : Beautiful [2017-01-02 08:01:05] MikeHunt : it was stuck in a sort of rising wedge but now its free [2017-01-02 08:01:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 310 @ 0.013827 [2017-01-02 08:01:06] MikeHunt : yay [2017-01-02 08:01:10] l3f : I bought futures at 1020 [2017-01-02 08:01:12] l3f : lmao [2017-01-02 08:01:18] l3f : and now it's the swap [2017-01-02 08:01:20] l3f : fucking lol [2017-01-02 08:01:38] mariomarco : fucking scam [2017-01-02 08:01:57] nOgAnOo : Do you even trade bro? [2017-01-02 08:02:20] MikeHunt : nOgAnOo: you're not still trying to short this are you? [2017-01-02 08:02:31] nOgAnOo : Yes, I am short at 113 [2017-01-02 08:02:34] l3f : MikeHunt: We need them for the rocket fuel [2017-01-02 08:02:47] nOgAnOo : Bitcoin is dead. [2017-01-02 08:03:06] MrRGnome : $10 per bitcorn by 2014 [2017-01-02 08:03:08] MrRGnome : I'm sur of it [2017-01-02 08:03:10] shery : is this crashing? [2017-01-02 08:03:33] MrRGnome : shery: YES YES PANIC RUN TRADE EMOTIONALLY [2017-01-02 08:03:41] l3f : shery: buy & hold wins again [2017-01-02 08:03:44] evilminer : I think it's time to get out. Pumps are weak. [2017-01-02 08:03:48] l3f : no matter what the entry price [2017-01-02 08:04:03] shery : l3f: I am winning more via longing and shorting [2017-01-02 08:04:22] nOgAnOo : shery, It's gotta crash to 950 soon.. that's my target [2017-01-02 08:04:22] l3f : shery: I come here 10 minutes a day, manage my position and jerk off a bit [2017-01-02 08:04:23] l3f : shitpost in the chat [2017-01-02 08:04:27] l3f : and laugh at shorts [2017-01-02 08:04:29] l3f : living the dream [2017-01-02 08:04:37] nOgAnOo : <--- Newb trader calls 950 [2017-01-02 08:05:02] MikeHunt : nOgAnOo: didnt some guy say that the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent? [2017-01-02 08:05:28] nOgAnOo : That sounds true. [2017-01-02 08:05:37] MrRGnome : I'm so happy I have been just holding. The price is getting high enough that I've started shorting at 1x here, and if the price goes down great - if it goes up I'll collect my interest, exit my position, and sell the btc equivalent of my original position so I effectively cashed out at whatever they price of my entry was plus the funding fees [2017-01-02 08:06:17] nOgAnOo : Nice job MrRGnome [2017-01-02 08:10:23] alejandromasari : Shorts get bit rexed [2017-01-02 08:10:58] alejandromasari : I just dumped my xbth17 [2017-01-02 08:11:17] alejandromasari : this turd lacks volatility and liquidity [2017-01-02 08:11:19] mariomarco : i longed it, it will crash now [2017-01-02 08:11:32] alejandromasari : going back to swap [2017-01-02 08:15:17] rapidtrades : what the actual f*ck is going on here fellas [2017-01-02 08:15:42] MrRGnome : it's a celebration [2017-01-02 08:16:03] nOgAnOo : Good evening rapidtrades [2017-01-02 08:16:03] Tr : its never going down dont you get it yet [2017-01-02 08:16:11] nOgAnOo : I'm gonna short this dump to the floor [2017-01-02 08:16:23] nOgAnOo : crooked bitcoin [2017-01-02 08:16:54] MrRGnome : sudden monero crash [2017-01-02 08:16:56] Tr : any move down it instastnly rebought by bots, learn how it works already [2017-01-02 08:17:03] Tr : its already up and going up more [2017-01-02 08:18:21] cryptobull : dump [2017-01-02 08:18:46] evilminer : last one in has to market buy. ;-) Looks like your up @rapidtrades [2017-01-02 08:19:09] MikeHunt : we're going to 8K then drop i think [2017-01-02 08:19:21] MikeHunt : that makes nice cup since 2013 [2017-01-02 08:19:27] MikeHunt : correction the handle [2017-01-02 08:19:32] MikeHunt : then to the moon again probably [2017-01-02 08:19:35] Tr : there is no correction and wont be [2017-01-02 08:19:40] MikeHunt : as china gets Trump-ed [2017-01-02 08:20:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 10000 @ 7610.4 [2017-01-02 08:20:04] MikeHunt : Tr: im just theorizing, trump gets in 20th so ur prob right [2017-01-02 08:20:24] MikeHunt : dump? [2017-01-02 08:20:25] shery : ooops [2017-01-02 08:20:36] Tr : what do you mean oops [2017-01-02 08:20:37] nOgAnOo : longing the top lol [2017-01-02 08:20:42] evilminer : Thanks @Tr [2017-01-02 08:20:45] Tr : instant buy wall [2017-01-02 08:20:46] Tr : as always [2017-01-02 08:20:48] Tr : and now abck up [2017-01-02 08:20:49] Tr : relax [2017-01-02 08:21:02] MikeHunt : i hope they can contain it [2017-01-02 08:21:20] Tr : how is that even a question [2017-01-02 08:21:35] Tr : if you have 2 bots one with 100 btc and another with yuan and they only trade each other [2017-01-02 08:21:39] Tr : u need run out of money [2017-01-02 08:21:45] alejandromasari : It s funny how they display my sells on xbh17 as "buys" [2017-01-02 08:22:08] odieoh : It was a buy for someone [2017-01-02 08:22:20] odieoh : if you sold into someone's buy order, its a buy [2017-01-02 08:22:25] MikeHunt : Tr: o yeah, dont the china exchanges have 0 fees on them or something so they can do it forever? [2017-01-02 08:22:34] odieoh : or vice/verse [2017-01-02 08:22:36] alejandromasari : I sold at 1086.56 at 2:54 am utc-5 it shows it is a buy lol [2017-01-02 08:22:37] Tr : MikeHunt exactly [2017-01-02 08:22:55] odieoh : Well it was a buy for the person who bought it [2017-01-02 08:23:33] rullwull : if the price is higher than previous trade that its green no matter buy or sell [2017-01-02 08:23:41] alejandromasari : The price dropped after I sold... it was definitely a sell lol can't rely on the time and sales data [2017-01-02 08:23:53] shery : I think top is reached [2017-01-02 08:24:02] dannybreal : how to close my position w the greatest profit? i i just loes it does it use the mark price 2 do it ? [2017-01-02 08:24:17] alejandromasari : Top is at new all time high @sheri [2017-01-02 08:24:22] MikeHunt : alejandromasari: are you shorting or just bought swap instead? [2017-01-02 08:24:46] evilminer : Great, now another 5 hours of slosh/slash and chop... [2017-01-02 08:25:04] evilminer : shery: Feeling same. [2017-01-02 08:25:12] alejandromasari : MikeHunt: I am all in btc currency no position [2017-01-02 08:25:14] shery : alejandromasari: it needs a correction previous pushes were strong enough to push it hard by 10-15 $ This seems to be weak [2017-01-02 08:25:45] Tr : shery miners need it high. [2017-01-02 08:25:48] MikeHunt : shery: a slow caress over to 7200 should do it [2017-01-02 08:25:48] Tr : so it wil be high [2017-01-02 08:26:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 29000 @ 1074.08 [2017-01-02 08:26:04] alejandromasari : shery: don't try to profit from shoring in bull market you'll get bulldozed plus short selling is haram lol [2017-01-02 08:26:45] MikeHunt : shery: i learned that the hard way as well [2017-01-02 08:26:47] shery : alejandromasari: Thanks for suggestion watch the market mean while did I shorted right ? [2017-01-02 08:26:50] alejandromasari : llol @rekt I got out just in time what a turd this xbth17 [2017-01-02 08:27:09] Tr : more like dont short a crooked centralized market where market maker needs price to be high [2017-01-02 08:28:19] alejandromasari : trying to time small dips in a bull market by short selling is a recipe for disaster I've done it before many time lost a fortune in stocks [2017-01-02 08:29:24] alejandromasari : i don't short bull markets I got my buying power ready and go long on deep dips like @mikehunt 935 ;-) [2017-01-02 08:29:43] mariomarco : i told you it was going to dump [2017-01-02 08:29:45] mariomarco : i longed it [2017-01-02 08:29:50] mariomarco : this is fucking hilarous [2017-01-02 08:30:11] mariomarco : somebody is watching me and wants to bankrupt me [2017-01-02 08:30:15] alejandromasari : i got out just in time love it I had an indication I was on the wrong side [2017-01-02 08:30:29] mariomarco : alejandromasari: what indication [2017-01-02 08:30:34] rapidtrades : ....we've 1% of the highs [2017-01-02 08:30:40] mariomarco : where is the fucking huobi dump prevention team now [2017-01-02 08:30:59] mariomarco : why are they not buying the dip and pumping [2017-01-02 08:31:18] alejandromasari : mariomarco: huobi plunge protection team to the rescue!! [2017-01-02 08:31:19] Tr : ? [2017-01-02 08:31:21] Tr : what do you mean [2017-01-02 08:31:23] MikeHunt : mariomarco: hes always watching you... http://i.imgur.com/7DSWCxa.jpg [2017-01-02 08:31:28] Tr : they already stopped the fall [2017-01-02 08:31:31] Tr : and bought +20 yuan [2017-01-02 08:31:38] Tr : +25 [2017-01-02 08:31:47] rapidtrades : we're not even 1% off the highs,,,how is that a 'dip' u spolied bastards [2017-01-02 08:31:50] mariomarco : it dumped from 7327 [2017-01-02 08:32:16] alejandromasari : mariomarco: I built my own indicator analyzes buying and selling pressure In the market. I started bitmex yesterday I'm up 40% [2017-01-02 08:32:36] mariomarco : alejandromasari: im down 40% since yesterday [2017-01-02 08:32:54] mariomarco : motherfacking casino [2017-01-02 08:32:57] alejandromasari : mariomarco: I can help you [2017-01-02 08:33:05] mariomarco : alejandromasari: please [2017-01-02 08:33:14] alejandromasari : mariomarco: first lower your leverage [2017-01-02 08:33:29] alejandromasari : mariomarco: lower leverage to 1x [2017-01-02 08:34:27] mariomarco : ok [2017-01-02 08:34:27] alejandromasari : mariomarco: I know it doesn't sound too exciting but you need to learn to ride a tricycle first before you can get on a fast road bicycle [2017-01-02 08:34:49] alejandromasari : you need to prove to yourself that you can with with 1x [2017-01-02 08:35:42] l3f : also when using 1x [2017-01-02 08:35:43] l3f : don't go all in [2017-01-02 08:35:52] alejandromasari : if you cannot with with 1x then you should just buy and hold. If you want to learn how to do it like me message me on skype alejandromasari I'll teach u man [2017-01-02 08:35:55] Tr : see easy rebuy [2017-01-02 08:36:01] Tr : up up up [2017-01-02 08:36:53] odieoh : The mark price has not gone up up at all [2017-01-02 08:37:19] odieoh : Its been flat between 1010 and 1012 [2017-01-02 08:37:35] alejandromasari : mariomarco: play with small amounts at first on 1x the goal is not to make money the goal is to perfect your strategy and not lose money! [2017-01-02 08:37:56] mariomarco : alejandromasari: i have a good strategy [2017-01-02 08:38:04] mariomarco : i get cheated a lot [2017-01-02 08:38:10] mariomarco : borderling highway robbery [2017-01-02 08:38:26] alejandromasari : mariomarco: good strategy obviously doesn't lose you half your account mate [2017-01-02 08:38:31] mariomarco : when i win i small when i lose it hits me like a train