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[2016-12-27 14:13:47] rms : here we go
[2016-12-27 14:13:55] shery : china new high , welcome 950
[2016-12-27 14:13:55] mariomarco : booyah
[2016-12-27 14:14:11] aethlios : okcoin quarterly 1000
[2016-12-27 14:14:37] javierstone : it'll hit 7k CNY in a fwe hours
[2016-12-27 14:14:44] javierstone : maybe less
[2016-12-27 14:14:49] aethlios : I will buy 2 nice painting for my house if spot above 1,000. Need to celebrate reinvesting profits.
[2016-12-27 14:15:20] tommygunn : reg market still way behind mexa and china
[2016-12-27 14:15:35] l3f : I swear if btc gets banned in china again
[2016-12-27 14:16:20] javierstone : whose sharting rn?
[2016-12-27 14:16:26] javierstone : reveal yrself
[2016-12-27 14:16:33] mjones : Shorting the top like a boss
[2016-12-27 14:16:40] tommygunn : btc held by smart cookies in china, they will just move it
[2016-12-27 14:16:43] mjones : I'll thank you all later
[2016-12-27 14:16:59] shery : next xandle 6750
[2016-12-27 14:17:05] tommygunn : look at quadriga in vancouver
[2016-12-27 14:17:28] mjones : Almost 4 million open contracts on xbth17 wow
[2016-12-27 14:17:42] justinlooking : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUDTq7cAqR0
[2016-12-27 14:17:53] tommygunn : smart cookies in 17
[2016-12-27 14:18:18] imapotato : Am I supposed to get back in? Feels like I should get back in.
[2016-12-27 14:18:23] imapotato : Holy premiums
[2016-12-27 14:18:27] Slashterix : lol yes
[2016-12-27 14:18:33] l3f : imapotato: it's now or never
[2016-12-27 14:18:34] l3f : for <1k entry
[2016-12-27 14:18:39] l3f : imho
[2016-12-27 14:18:44] Slashterix : yep
[2016-12-27 14:18:46] shery : 950 coming on bitmex
[2016-12-27 14:18:49] javierstone : i hope my xmr buy orders go thru
[2016-12-27 14:18:54] tommygunn : yes buy the dips with chinesde bots
[2016-12-27 14:18:56] thomaskikansha : 1023 on quarterlies here OMG
[2016-12-27 14:19:25] l3f : I've got 260k of quarterlies fucking lol
[2016-12-27 14:19:42] narnarfromnarnia : l3f: awesome
[2016-12-27 14:19:44] l3f : my body's ready
[2016-12-27 14:19:50] imapotato : I'm in, let's do this boys
[2016-12-27 14:20:00] tommygunn : you think this is crazy, wait until a break of 1000 and even more media
[2016-12-27 14:20:16] tommygunn : lots of money to be made long and short
[2016-12-27 14:21:20] Nerve : lhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1FIfaP7Tu0&spfreload=5
[2016-12-27 14:22:00] javierstone : you know its a pump based on how frequently tradeblock craps out in my browser
[2016-12-27 14:22:32] justinlooking : javierstone: glad it's not just me
[2016-12-27 14:22:37] mjones : Lol xbth17 shorters trapped
[2016-12-27 14:22:44] justinlooking : disabling gpu accel in chrome helped on my machine
[2016-12-27 14:23:11] l3f : mjones: they deserve it
[2016-12-27 14:23:17] imapotato : No brakes at huobi
[2016-12-27 14:23:55] l3f : moment of silence for shorters
[2016-12-27 14:23:56] Morgoth : 970$ in China
[2016-12-27 14:24:04] Morgoth : This is nothing
[2016-12-27 14:24:13] m3s : we got dis fam
[2016-12-27 14:24:59] bingbongfly : bitmex lagg?
[2016-12-27 14:25:02] javierstone : l3f: where the rekts
[2016-12-27 14:25:15] l3f : javierstone: I guess nobody's left shorting
[2016-12-27 14:25:18] javierstone : bout to pimple pop
[2016-12-27 14:25:27] Morgoth : 975$ in China
[2016-12-27 14:25:42] burno : morgoth, where in china?
[2016-12-27 14:25:45] aaaaa : what is happening???
[2016-12-27 14:25:50] burno : which exchange are you watching?
[2016-12-27 14:25:51] javierstone : Morgoth: lol wut no
[2016-12-27 14:26:01] javierstone : 986 in china
[2016-12-27 14:26:10] justinlooking : 8500 BTC open xbtusd !!
[2016-12-27 14:26:24] Morgoth : javierstone: which exchange?
[2016-12-27 14:27:14] javierstone : Morgoth: jk
[2016-12-27 14:27:22] Morgoth : burno: https://www.btcchina.com/
[2016-12-27 14:27:28] Morgoth : here
[2016-12-27 14:28:14] aethlios : precious funding collectors
[2016-12-27 14:29:30] thomaskikansha : meanwhile dumpage on eth
[2016-12-27 14:29:58] mariomarco : in other news ETH has plummeted'd
[2016-12-27 14:30:02] mariomarco : gold is up 10 points
[2016-12-27 14:30:13] m3s : whats ETH
[2016-12-27 14:30:31] WarWarBanana : Etherum?
[2016-12-27 14:30:31] bingbongfly : mariomarco: ETH? Another version of the BTC ETF?
[2016-12-27 14:30:37] imapotato : mETH is for immutability haters
[2016-12-27 14:31:00] m3s : you mean mutability ETH
[2016-12-27 14:31:02] bingbongfly : Maybe he ment Ethereum, it's acronym is ETC
[2016-12-27 14:31:05] m3s : mETH
[2016-12-27 14:31:22] mariomarco : not even once :D
[2016-12-27 14:31:22] bingbongfly : is there another version of ETC?
[2016-12-27 14:31:35] mariomarco : i used to be ETH but then a took a DAO to the rig
[2016-12-27 14:31:39] mariomarco : or something like tha
[2016-12-27 14:31:43] m3s : hahahaah
[2016-12-27 14:31:57] m3s : DAO killed ETH
[2016-12-27 14:32:01] mariomarco : then Vitalik and Tual suddently the whole blockchain
[2016-12-27 14:32:09] tommygunn : eth almost at my buy price
[2016-12-27 14:32:10] Slashterix : XD
[2016-12-27 14:32:23] mariomarco : i will buy eth at 2 dorrars
[2016-12-27 14:32:23] l3f : where's rapidtrades?
[2016-12-27 14:32:33] Slashterix : zZZ
[2016-12-27 14:32:37] mariomarco : hes missing the fomo
[2016-12-27 14:32:46] mariomarco : sweeet XBT
[2016-12-27 14:32:50] mariomarco : like nectar of gods
[2016-12-27 14:33:10] justinlooking : l3f: swinging from a rope
[2016-12-27 14:33:20] m3s : is he permabear ?
[2016-12-27 14:33:21] mariomarco : its going down
[2016-12-27 14:33:24] mariomarco : :(
[2016-12-27 14:34:14] l3f : mariomarco: yep, a 5 min pause in the pump invalides the entire trend
[2016-12-27 14:34:29] mariomarco : l3f: yup, my thoughts exactly
[2016-12-27 14:34:35] mariomarco : its been fun guys, the trend is down
[2016-12-27 14:34:50] ett1 : the trend
[2016-12-27 14:35:19] m3s : bitcoin is dead
[2016-12-27 14:35:33] mjones : and is going up to heaven
[2016-12-27 14:35:35] mjones : $1 at a time
[2016-12-27 14:35:35] l3f : it's over
[2016-12-27 14:35:36] l3f : gg
[2016-12-27 14:35:41] m3s : mjones: :D
[2016-12-27 14:36:12] NL007 : btc on china exchanges is rising fast
[2016-12-27 14:36:15] NL007 : 870
[2016-12-27 14:36:47] NL007 : 970
[2016-12-27 14:37:06] l3f : China exchanges has also been 20-50 usd +
[2016-12-27 14:38:07] mjones : why does china bearwhale hate money
[2016-12-27 14:38:08] mjones : down down down
[2016-12-27 14:38:16] l3f : just people taking profits
[2016-12-27 14:38:22] Naloxone : abandon the ship!
[2016-12-27 14:38:30] l3f : also whales need cash to pump
[2016-12-27 14:38:32] thomaskikansha : just some retracement after new high
[2016-12-27 14:38:41] l3f : consolidate consolidate consolidate
[2016-12-27 14:38:55] tommygunn : nice bounce off 6700
[2016-12-27 14:39:00] mjones : if you believe in magic then long eth at the eth/btc double bottom
[2016-12-27 14:39:14] m3s : if you have money
[2016-12-27 14:39:23] m3s : hate*
[2016-12-27 14:40:08] mjones : lol who pumped ETCWIN back up
[2016-12-27 14:40:28] imapotato : Oi where's my 950 finex
[2016-12-27 14:41:14] Naloxone : Finally, the Okcoin bots were reconfigured to dump
[2016-12-27 14:42:06] l3f : shakeout
[2016-12-27 14:42:10] thomaskikansha : mjones: is there spot trading yet?
[2016-12-27 14:42:16] mjones : dont believe so
[2016-12-27 14:42:20] imapotato : BTFD?
[2016-12-27 14:42:23] m3s : 6$ shakout let me get my magnifying glass
[2016-12-27 14:42:39] l3f : hahah
[2016-12-27 14:42:55] orly : etcwin spot trading opens tomorrow afaik
[2016-12-27 14:43:16] orly : 12:08 UTC
[2016-12-27 14:44:13] mariomarco : duuump
[2016-12-27 14:44:50] shery : I guess shorts are openeed
[2016-12-27 14:45:08] Freewizard : Bitcoin done?
[2016-12-27 14:45:43] mjones : done dumping? yes
[2016-12-27 14:45:59] imapotato : Yeah, we're$5 below the rally high and approaching ATH
[2016-12-27 14:46:03] imapotato : BTC is toast
[2016-12-27 14:47:58] Nerve : it will drop more...
[2016-12-27 14:48:17] mariomarco : nooooou
[2016-12-27 14:48:24] mariomarco : my short
[2016-12-27 14:48:42] ett1 : stop shorting
[2016-12-27 14:48:50] imapotato : It's winter, don't wear shorts
[2016-12-27 14:48:56] narnarfromnarnia : 950
[2016-12-27 14:49:06] shery : ett1: who remembers 862 o sunday
[2016-12-27 14:49:16] narnarfromnarnia : ya got rekt there
[2016-12-27 14:49:17] l3f : whale's capping prices for a bit
[2016-12-27 14:49:18] shery : 48 hours and 80 $ UP
[2016-12-27 14:49:19] l3f : it has to consolidate
[2016-12-27 14:49:20] ett1 : i wanted to buy then
[2016-12-27 14:49:28] l3f : shakeout some weak hands
[2016-12-27 14:49:35] l3f : it can't go straight up
[2016-12-27 14:49:38] l3f : to cement it people have to enter at this price
[2016-12-27 14:49:39] ett1 : i was holding long with a stop below 860
[2016-12-27 14:49:43] l3f : that way they hold and don't sell
[2016-12-27 14:49:57] ett1 : thats why im up 1000% ROE and the people trying to catch shorts are likely REKT
[2016-12-27 14:50:20] ett1 : im watching 1hr/4hr. 15min for zooming in
[2016-12-27 14:50:34] ett1 : some guys must be trading 5m and using 15min to zoom out
[2016-12-27 14:50:38] l3f : your p&L may run negative, but just hold and don't sell
[2016-12-27 14:50:44] l3f : the pain makes you stronger
[2016-12-27 14:50:45] ett1 : higher fees, harder to get accurate
[2016-12-27 14:50:53] ett1 : more noise
[2016-12-27 14:51:40] happy : feels like this is going to 920?
[2016-12-27 14:51:52] mariomarco : i use 1min and 3min to zoom out , am I wining at life?
[2016-12-27 14:51:56] imapotato : Lol
[2016-12-27 14:52:03] ett1 : keep an eye on stamp i think its going 940
[2016-12-27 14:52:27] imapotato : Expecting to see Happy's REKT liquidated short soon
[2016-12-27 14:52:30] mariomarco : ett1: its getting ready to WROOM
[2016-12-27 14:53:20] narnarfromnarnia : maybe 920 becomes support
[2016-12-27 14:54:07] zanza : .375
[2016-12-27 14:54:08] narnarfromnarnia : i gotta rest
[2016-12-27 14:54:18] narnarfromnarnia : where do you guys think i should place a bid at to catch a drop while asleep?
[2016-12-27 14:54:26] zanza : 700
[2016-12-27 14:54:32] narnarfromnarnia : 920?
[2016-12-27 14:54:34] m3s : spread them out in 1$ increments, you wil every time
[2016-12-27 14:54:43] mjones : depends where you trading
[2016-12-27 14:54:46] narnarfromnarnia : bitmex
[2016-12-27 14:54:47] narnarfromnarnia : here
[2016-12-27 14:54:48] dodic : 915
[2016-12-27 14:54:51] ett1 : narnarfromnarnia: go long a breakout
[2016-12-27 14:54:51] Lazycoin : depends how long you sleep
[2016-12-27 14:54:52] ett1 : not a dip
[2016-12-27 14:54:55] mjones : there 3 different markets
[2016-12-27 14:55:01] narnarfromnarnia : ah
[2016-12-27 14:55:03] narnarfromnarnia : perpectual
[2016-12-27 14:55:18] shery : top
[2016-12-27 14:55:18] ett1 : you need to catch a move that follows thru and keeps going 1 direction without pulling back below your entry
[2016-12-27 14:55:26] ett1 : you wont catch a low
[2016-12-27 14:55:36] ett1 : but you can follow thru on a breakout
[2016-12-27 14:55:40] ett1 : easy game
[2016-12-27 14:55:52] narnarfromnarnia : ett1: ok so just sleep and no trade
[2016-12-27 14:55:55] mjones : put it at $921.11
[2016-12-27 14:55:59] ett1 : buy when it goes 946
[2016-12-27 14:56:06] narnarfromnarnia : right
[2016-12-27 14:56:09] narnarfromnarnia : but it could top
[2016-12-27 14:56:13] narnarfromnarnia : again there
[2016-12-27 14:56:17] narnarfromnarnia : 920 support
[2016-12-27 14:56:26] mjones : just set a bitcoin alarm on your phone and wake up and figure it out
[2016-12-27 14:56:27] mariomarco : narnarfromnarnia: buy 950 to be certain
[2016-12-27 14:56:43] ett1 : mjones: tradingview alerts are louder
[2016-12-27 14:56:50] mariomarco : 950buy half 955 960 25%
[2016-12-27 14:56:55] mariomarco : SL 940
[2016-12-27 14:57:18] mjones : you guys make everything so complicated
[2016-12-27 14:57:38] mariomarco : cook 2 more coffees and dnt sleep
[2016-12-27 14:57:40] mariomarco : dont***
[2016-12-27 14:58:36] happy : up or down now
[2016-12-27 14:58:45] mjones : sideways
[2016-12-27 14:58:56] shery : its top , offocial top for today , lets meet upat lower levels bitcoin
[2016-12-27 14:59:01] imapotato : Upways
[2016-12-27 14:59:09] ett1 : mjones: then another leg up
[2016-12-27 14:59:23] Nerve : happy: up the down then up then down
[2016-12-27 14:59:27] Nerve : you get it
[2016-12-27 14:59:28] Nerve : ;)
[2016-12-27 14:59:38] mjones : everyone dumping and shorting right now need to get back in and are looking for a dip. dont sell and give them what they want
[2016-12-27 14:59:38] happy : lol
[2016-12-27 15:00:19] imapotato : It's time to buy. Look at the 3 minute XD
[2016-12-27 15:00:27] Nerve : 942 will be good for a re-start to 1k
[2016-12-27 15:01:23] l3f : it's gotta consolidate
[2016-12-27 15:01:28] l3f : people have to be able to buy in
[2016-12-27 15:01:31] ett1 : imapotato: my short is nearly REKT. should i revers. i think 935 is likely
[2016-12-27 15:01:40] l3f : otherwise the price will fall straight though without bagholders
[2016-12-27 15:02:24] imapotato : I think 980 likely
[2016-12-27 15:02:25] happy : ok coin price went up to 6690
[2016-12-27 15:02:40] happy : Sorry I mean Huobi
[2016-12-27 15:02:44] imapotato : Banks are open and deposits will be hitting exchanges with FOMO
[2016-12-27 15:02:54] ett1 : hahah
[2016-12-27 15:02:57] shery : happy: third red will form on 15m 6660 ccoming
[2016-12-27 15:04:16] m3s : imapotato: I can confirm this a lot of my coworkers doing it as we speak
[2016-12-27 15:05:02] ett1 : m3s: you work in finance?
[2016-12-27 15:05:25] m3s : ett1: nope, software eng. but I think it is an indicator
[2016-12-27 15:05:31] imapotato : No, m3s is an engineer
[2016-12-27 15:05:39] happy : shery: what's the price target? 920?
[2016-12-27 15:06:13] ett1 : 940 for me
[2016-12-27 15:06:19] ett1 : but i think it will continue higher
[2016-12-27 15:06:24] ett1 : man its gonna break ATH
[2016-12-27 15:06:31] ett1 : dont worry about today and next few days
[2016-12-27 15:06:36] tommygunn : smart people want to be part of the network, been like that for years.
[2016-12-27 15:06:49] ett1 : catch the big move from 800 to 1200 and dont worry about the swings and wasting fees
[2016-12-27 15:06:52] ett1 : thats gambling
[2016-12-27 15:07:39] ett1 : tommygunn: smart people couldnt give a shit and just need an instrument to trade thats going up
[2016-12-27 15:07:58] imapotato : I'm not gambling you're gambling
[2016-12-27 15:08:16] zanza : .375 coming
[2016-12-27 15:08:18] ett1 : who cares about building stuff & block size limits. i could be trading cow dung if i thought it was becoming scarce
[2016-12-27 15:08:57] tommygunn : actually people do use the bitcoin net
[2016-12-27 15:09:10] tommygunn : myself included
[2016-12-27 15:09:21] ett1 : yes, so do i. its been the same from day 1
[2016-12-27 15:09:23] imapotato : I use BTC
[2016-12-27 15:10:13] ett1 : im saying that all these startup & investors in them
[2016-12-27 15:10:25] ett1 : are gonna follow the S&P / venture capital
[2016-12-27 15:10:32] ett1 : its an equity play
[2016-12-27 15:10:35] imapotato : I'm going to get ready for the day. How about 950 at finex when I come back?
[2016-12-27 15:10:52] rafa : Do futures settle at the bitmex spot price on settlement day?
[2016-12-27 15:11:09] ett1 : smart people dont care about changing the world or being innovative. they only care about R.O.I
[2016-12-27 15:11:11] imapotato : There is no Bitmex spit
[2016-12-27 15:11:15] imapotato : spot*
[2016-12-27 15:11:41] rafa : True, so what is the settlement price ?
[2016-12-27 15:11:54] ett1 : rafa: mark i think
[2016-12-27 15:12:51] imapotato : https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBT30M
[2016-12-27 15:13:08] imapotato : rafa:
[2016-12-27 15:13:20] rafa : Is it
[2016-12-27 15:13:27] rafa : thanks
[2016-12-27 15:14:21] rafa : given high funding, the december futures seem attractive dont they? Or am i missing something?
[2016-12-27 15:14:45] ett1 : right now yes
[2016-12-27 15:14:55] ett1 : futures only 0.6% premium
[2016-12-27 15:15:21] Nerve : boring action...
[2016-12-27 15:15:41] ett1 : if you are exiting swaps, to go into futures, you have to think about fees. and is settlement soon
[2016-12-27 15:15:51] ett1 : Nerve: u srs
[2016-12-27 15:16:30] rafa : Agreed, wont change into, but will buy futures instead of perp maybe
[2016-12-27 15:16:38] rafa : Thanks for the info
[2016-12-27 15:17:15] ett1 : rafa: if you are thinking about march fututr. beware that premium is flaoting.
[2016-12-27 15:17:17] ett1 : now at 7%
[2016-12-27 15:17:22] ett1 : but was at 5%
[2016-12-27 15:17:39] Nerve : i see only RED lines...
[2016-12-27 15:17:44] Nerve : :(
[2016-12-27 15:17:56] ett1 : so swaps could fall 1% but futures crash 3% if premium rate falls.
[2016-12-27 15:18:09] Nerve : shorts gets rekt....longs get rekt too...
[2016-12-27 15:18:39] ett1 : not really, depends how far away theor exit was
[2016-12-27 15:18:49] ett1 : or how quick to turn arounf their positions
[2016-12-27 15:19:08] ett1 : i held long
[2016-12-27 15:19:08] rafa : Yeah, im thinking more about dec futures which are less than 1% prem while funding is capped
[2016-12-27 15:19:24] ett1 : wanted to ad at 860 but that would have brought my liq up so i couldnt
[2016-12-27 15:20:37] mjones : december closes in like 69 hours
[2016-12-27 15:20:38] ett1 : rafa: perms can also have premium so might pump/dump more in the short term. i agree with your startegy tho. dec seems more suited if your likely to hold a long for a few days and expecting a rising market
[2016-12-27 15:21:04] mjones : and is $14 higher so it's gonna fall a bit unless BTC keeps pumping
[2016-12-27 15:21:07] ett1 : dec could also trade at a discount
[2016-12-27 15:21:33] ett1 : it could fall a lot possible. just beware of that risk. it can go -1% potentially
[2016-12-27 15:21:44] ett1 : but i wouldnt expect that
[2016-12-27 15:22:37] l3f : I remember when futures were 820
[2016-12-27 15:22:49] mjones : i would just buy march futures and ride the premium up more
[2016-12-27 15:23:06] mjones : me 2 l3f
[2016-12-27 15:23:17] mjones : i shorted futures at 850 and closed 820
[2016-12-27 15:23:22] ett1 : i think march premium is going to fall to 4-5%
[2016-12-27 15:23:25] mjones : now $200 higher :)
[2016-12-27 15:23:28] ett1 : not ride to 10% or whatever
[2016-12-27 15:23:46] mjones : if btc continues pumping it'll go up more
[2016-12-27 15:23:49] ett1 : buy them on a dip
[2016-12-27 15:24:02] ett1 : theyve stayed 7% pretty constant
[2016-12-27 15:24:10] mjones : but if BTC has a size able dip then premium will drop a bit.
[2016-12-27 15:24:55] ett1 : okcoin 3m futures average about 4%
[2016-12-27 15:25:34] ett1 : ranges between 0 and 8 with not much outliers beyound that
[2016-12-27 15:28:46] rafa : Understood, will watch from sidelines till i understand it better...thanks a lot for your help guys. Much clearer now
[2016-12-27 15:31:22] javierstone : moar moar moar
[2016-12-27 15:34:41] anondran : MOOON
[2016-12-27 15:35:01] imapotato : here we go again
[2016-12-27 15:35:08] imapotato : last chance to buy this $4 dip
[2016-12-27 15:36:10] mjones : oshi whoever just closed better fomo back in
[2016-12-27 15:36:21] ett1 : if you want an easy trade. buy the 946 break
[2016-12-27 15:36:32] asksome1 : new here - help
[2016-12-27 15:36:38] mjones : talk to me
[2016-12-27 15:36:39] imapotato : asksome1: go 100x long
[2016-12-27 15:36:48] happy : waiting for people get rekt
[2016-12-27 15:36:55] mjones : wait for a dump then happy
[2016-12-27 15:36:57] imapotato : or maybe just 3x, or 5x
[2016-12-27 15:36:57] asksome1 : my unrealised PNL is basically 0 but the realised is .5
[2016-12-27 15:36:59] javierstone : SHORTS BOUT TO SHART
[2016-12-27 15:37:10] asksome1 : am i break even or down .5?
[2016-12-27 15:37:21] javierstone : is it red or green
[2016-12-27 15:37:23] imapotato : hoobi 6700
[2016-12-27 15:37:28] asksome1 : unrealised is green
[2016-12-27 15:37:30] asksome1 : realised is red
[2016-12-27 15:37:35] imapotato : red is loss
[2016-12-27 15:37:42] mjones : no one cares about huobi or btcc
[2016-12-27 15:37:50] asksome1 : so the unrealised is profit or loss BEFORE the fees?
[2016-12-27 15:37:56] imapotato : China cares about hoobi
[2016-12-27 15:38:00] happy : fading @ 0.2376%
[2016-12-27 15:38:02] imapotato : India probably cares a little about hoobi
[2016-12-27 15:38:22] mjones : unrealized is just based on mark price. your realized profit depends on where you close in the orderbook
[2016-12-27 15:38:46] mjones : and fees of course
[2016-12-27 15:38:52] happy : out of steam?
[2016-12-27 15:38:58] imapotato : lol, bearstamp goes down while the rest of the world goes up
[2016-12-27 15:39:02] asksome1 : thanks - still a bit hazy. i get what you're saying...sort of
[2016-12-27 15:39:20] asksome1 : realized profit/loss rarely changes though...only once every bunch of hours. so i assumed this was the fees on the contract
[2016-12-27 15:39:44] asksome1 : then i thought the unrealised is the profit or loss if i were to close at the current market price AFTER it's factored in the fees
[2016-12-27 15:39:54] asksome1 : but you're saying unrealised +/- is BEFORE those fees
[2016-12-27 15:40:09] Ebit : Hey do I lose all my money when I get liquidated?
[2016-12-27 15:40:11] imapotato : asksome1: If you deposit 1 BTC, you have 0 unrealized and 0 realized. If you go long and the price moves down, you might end up with -0.25 BTC unrealized. If you sell/close when it's down, you would have 0 unrealized and -0.25 BTC realized with a 0.75 BTC balance remaining.
[2016-12-27 15:40:21] imapotato : Ebit: Depends
[2016-12-27 15:40:33] mjones : unrealized is just your position based on mark price. if you close higher or lower than the mark price then your profit / loss will be different based on what you see
[2016-12-27 15:40:37] Ebit : or id my position simply closed at market price and i can take wahtever profits
[2016-12-27 15:41:04] imapotato : 50x if finex breaks 940
[2016-12-27 15:41:09] asksome1 : hmmmm ok. sort of over my head but think i get it
[2016-12-27 15:41:17] mjones : Ebit: if you are using Cross leverage and get liquidated you lose your whole account
[2016-12-27 15:41:28] mjones : if you stick to 25x then you just lose what you put into the position
[2016-12-27 15:41:34] imapotato : ELI5: cross
[2016-12-27 15:41:47] l3f : blasting off
[2016-12-27 15:41:50] Ebit : what is cross leverage? I have a position opened with 20x leverage
[2016-12-27 15:42:12] mjones : cross means your whole available balance is used before you get liqudated
[2016-12-27 15:42:12] imapotato : I'm guessing cross just fixes your leverage and auto buys/sells to keep it the same after profit/loss?
[2016-12-27 15:42:19] l3f : Ebit: cross means use all of my account as leverage
[2016-12-27 15:42:37] ett1 : cross is like 100x. it lets you use the meximum. if you use 10x or 50x, the balance of you wallet is safe
[2016-12-27 15:42:50] ett1 : but with cross your while balance will be used as margin
[2016-12-27 15:42:57] ett1 : i dont recommend it
[2016-12-27 15:43:10] mjones : and you can click that little box next to 100x and enter any leverage you want
[2016-12-27 15:43:14] Ebit : oh so if i deposit more btc into my account but is not in my position would that help?
[2016-12-27 15:43:16] ett1 : better to be aware of where your liq is. using the slider forces that
[2016-12-27 15:43:20] mjones : so if you want to go 30x long you can
[2016-12-27 15:43:37] ett1 : yes
[2016-12-27 15:43:42] ett1 : or 50x or 100x
[2016-12-27 15:43:46] ett1 : it will let you
[2016-12-27 15:43:48] imapotato : $934.02 liq price
[2016-12-27 15:43:53] l3f : ya all on extremely leveraged longs
[2016-12-27 15:43:54] imapotato : jk, hueheuhuehe
[2016-12-27 15:43:56] l3f : sell a bit when in profit
[2016-12-27 15:44:01] l3f : and add it back to margin
[2016-12-27 15:44:09] l3f : lots of shakeouts ahead
[2016-12-27 15:44:11] anondran : Ebit: https://www.bitmex.com/app/isolatedMargin
[2016-12-27 15:44:24] mjones : 788 users. bitmex blowing up
[2016-12-27 15:44:33] ett1 : l3f: add back to margin, and increase some more
[2016-12-27 15:44:33] javierstone : ya there are some shorts that are barely hanging on i imagine
[2016-12-27 15:44:34] imapotato : deserved
[2016-12-27 15:44:36] Ebit : thanks all
[2016-12-27 15:44:36] ett1 : when you hit the limit
[2016-12-27 15:44:37] justinlooking : let the power of rekt compel you
[2016-12-27 15:44:43] javierstone : its coming
[2016-12-27 15:44:51] l3f : 950 here already
[2016-12-27 15:44:53] l3f : the fomo's real
[2016-12-27 15:45:15] rapidtrades : WHERE WERE YOU WHEN BITCOIN HIT A NEW ALL-TIME HIGH?
[2016-12-27 15:45:31] shery : i like when market is flcutuaating like this
[2016-12-27 15:45:33] imapotato : http://i.imgur.com/GVFbI3L.gif
[2016-12-27 15:45:34] imapotato : I was in the happening bunker
[2016-12-27 15:45:45] l3f : imapotato: it moved up 10 used
[2016-12-27 15:45:54] l3f : usd*
[2016-12-27 15:45:56] l3f : as promised
[2016-12-27 15:46:11] rapidtrades : this looks to be my best and worst trade of the year
[2016-12-27 15:46:13] rullwull : the next fibo on weekly is 966
[2016-12-27 15:46:31] mjones : rapidtrades: so many noobs that much money will be made on the dump. but when will the dump come
[2016-12-27 15:46:56] imapotato : where were you when fiat was kill
[2016-12-27 15:47:38] sleger : rapidtrades: is habibi kapputt ?
[2016-12-27 15:48:01] rapidtrades : idk i think he's on holiday
[2016-12-27 15:48:11] imapotato : prince habibu?
[2016-12-27 15:48:14] javierstone : cny futures about to hi 6700
[2016-12-27 15:48:15] Rado : haven't seen him in a long itme
[2016-12-27 15:48:28] imapotato : hububu is chewing gum
[2016-12-27 15:49:21] rapidtrades : sleger: @Rado u guys still on this train?
[2016-12-27 15:49:26] shery : dont buy nnow, buy when it dips , tis is obviously top for now
[2016-12-27 15:49:31] sleger : yes of course @rapidtrades
[2016-12-27 15:49:58] Rado : rapidtrades: I sold 30k from my 50k position
[2016-12-27 15:49:58] l3f : sleger: where do you see bitcoin?
[2016-12-27 15:50:08] rapidtrades : Rado: weak hand
[2016-12-27 15:50:10] sleger : l3f: on my bottom left screen
[2016-12-27 15:50:14] Rado : yeah
[2016-12-27 15:50:26] l3f : sleger: haha, the fact you're here give me confidence
[2016-12-27 15:50:38] sleger : reduced half as well recently, the premium was too good to resist
[2016-12-27 15:50:49] l3f : sleger: your x1?
[2016-12-27 15:50:55] sleger : ?
[2016-12-27 15:51:02] l3f : what do you mean by reduced half?
[2016-12-27 15:51:10] l3f : I thought you were hedging with -x1
[2016-12-27 15:51:16] l3f : a part of your capital
[2016-12-27 15:51:29] ett1 : long futres, short swap
[2016-12-27 15:51:36] ett1 : futures premium was hi
[2016-12-27 15:51:40] rapidtrades : it means he took 0.35% over infinite gains
[2016-12-27 15:51:41] sleger : no i hedged part of my btc, and a couple of hours ago i hedged a bit more
[2016-12-27 15:51:57] sleger : still net long but less
[2016-12-27 15:51:58] ett1 : rapidtrades: lol
[2016-12-27 15:52:09] javierstone : so is that the move, short the swp while longing hte futures
[2016-12-27 15:52:14] rapidtrades : I almost unhedged the small short i have here
[2016-12-27 15:52:26] rapidtrades : looked really bullish a 910
[2016-12-27 15:52:29] ett1 : this isnt the time to hedge
[2016-12-27 15:52:33] ett1 : long and sting bmy friends
[2016-12-27 15:52:38] ett1 : strong*
[2016-12-27 15:53:02] l3f : sleger: did you learn to trade on fx or stocks?
[2016-12-27 15:53:11] l3f : how did you start?
[2016-12-27 15:53:41] sleger : i just do maths
[2016-12-27 15:54:25] sleger : and statistics
[2016-12-27 15:55:22] rapidtrades : what does the math say about 50% gain in 3 months?
[2016-12-27 15:55:25] ett1 : what returns do u target
[2016-12-27 15:55:50] sleger : rapidtrades: that's pretty good
[2016-12-27 15:56:03] sleger : 100% a year @ett1
[2016-12-27 15:56:50] ett1 : cool, ye i'm targeting 50-200% but long bias
[2016-12-27 15:56:51] justinlooking : rapidtrades: it says 100% gains over 6 months dummy
[2016-12-27 15:57:13] rapidtrades : yeah im sure it will keep going forever
[2016-12-27 15:57:40] sleger : justinlooking: 50% in 3 months is not 100% in 6 months, you're the dummy
[2016-12-27 15:57:50] sleger : :p
[2016-12-27 15:58:04] ett1 : rapidtrades: it wil probably keep making higher lows and stabalise way above my entry
[2016-12-27 15:58:06] justinlooking : mighta known u'd pick me up on that :P
[2016-12-27 15:58:07] ett1 : i have stops
[2016-12-27 15:58:24] firecasey : man a short here is tempting
[2016-12-27 15:58:31] sleger : tell that to habibi
[2016-12-27 15:58:37] sleger : or jung1
[2016-12-27 15:58:40] l3f : firecasey: shorting a pump
[2016-12-27 15:58:46] l3f : the classic mistake
[2016-12-27 15:59:01] firecasey : some people would call it Contrarian
[2016-12-27 15:59:04] sleger : habibi lasted longer than i thought he would !
[2016-12-27 15:59:06] firecasey : and make bank
[2016-12-27 15:59:08] ett1 : its too high. just look at how fast it has gone. unsustainable
[2016-12-27 15:59:10] XBT_Saver : Does anyone know why the XBTZ16 instrument 's expiry date is the 30th rather than the 31st?
[2016-12-27 15:59:23] mjones : settlement is on friday
[2016-12-27 15:59:39] sleger : XBT_Saver: bitcoins are closed on saturday
[2016-12-27 15:59:54] XBT_Saver : sleger: lol
[2016-12-27 16:00:10] NL007 : any news on etcwin?
[2016-12-27 16:00:26] mjones : sounds like spot trading starts tomorrow
[2016-12-27 16:00:37] Derreck : Chinese Finance ministry spokesman Sum Ting Wong says that the minstry will be investigating currency manipulation in Bitcoin.
[2016-12-27 16:00:46] sleger : mjones: link ?
[2016-12-27 16:00:48] rapidtrades : no way
[2016-12-27 16:00:52] mjones : just read it in trollbox here
[2016-12-27 16:00:55] rapidtrades : CITATION NEEDED
[2016-12-27 16:01:00] mjones : and Derreck they dont care about 15 billion dollar market cap
[2016-12-27 16:01:26] mjones : and maybe i was being trolled because i searched and couldnt find any etcwin news about tomorrow trading
[2016-12-27 16:01:50] ett1 : theyll care when its $1.5Tn
[2016-12-27 16:02:19] javierstone : lol
[2016-12-27 16:03:03] Derreck : mjones: don't have one, read this in the Zerohedge comment section
[2016-12-27 16:03:25] javierstone : Derreck: even more credible than the ZH blog itself
[2016-12-27 16:03:52] javierstone : did the commenter see it on a bloomberg terminal?
[2016-12-27 16:04:44] Tr : Sum Ting Wong says that the minstry will be investigating currency manipulation in Bitcoin.
[2016-12-27 16:04:45] Tr : any source?
[2016-12-27 16:04:52] Derreck : javierstone: dunno
[2016-12-27 16:06:27] lockhedge : Tr: Xiao Jie is the Chinese finance minister. "Sum Ting Wong" is very likely a joke name for "something wrong"
[2016-12-27 16:06:53] Derreck : lockhedge: spokesman
[2016-12-27 16:08:05] Tr : bitfinex tripple top?
[2016-12-27 16:08:24] sleger : thanks to sumtingwong news i panicked sold : 945.99 20000 15:01:19 AM S
[2016-12-27 16:08:25] mjones : in b4 bitmex lags due to dozens of longs being margin called at the same time
[2016-12-27 16:08:41] Tr : support broke
[2016-12-27 16:08:42] Tr : its going down
[2016-12-27 16:09:12] mjones : in b4 china saves the price and pumps above 6700 cny
[2016-12-27 16:09:31] Tr : maybe their are dumping on news
[2016-12-27 16:09:35] Tr : and will reveal hack soon
[2016-12-27 16:09:38] Tr : after they are done shorting
[2016-12-27 16:09:49] imapotato : uhh
[2016-12-27 16:09:51] imapotato : can we moon again please
[2016-12-27 16:09:54] rapidtrades : SIM TING WONG SAYS CHINA WILL LOOK INTO A BAN ON BITCOIN
[2016-12-27 16:10:02] Tr : GG BITCOIN BANNED
[2016-12-27 16:10:10] Tr : 404 Bitcoins not found
[2016-12-27 16:10:15] Derreck : lol
[2016-12-27 16:10:35] rapidtrades : SPOKESWOMAN VEWY WONG CONFIRMS THE STATEMENT
[2016-12-27 16:10:51] Tr : 6666
[2016-12-27 16:10:52] Tr : get out
[2016-12-27 16:10:55] imapotato : >Sum Ting Wong
[2016-12-27 16:10:56] Tr : satan is short
[2016-12-27 16:10:57] imapotato : this is joke, right?]
[2016-12-27 16:11:05] dodic : satan always shorts
[2016-12-27 16:11:28] dodic : if its hits 6666 again it goes to 800
[2016-12-27 16:11:28] Mike17 : Yes
[2016-12-27 16:11:44] l3f : dip buyers strong
[2016-12-27 16:12:08] dodic : quantum computers came out today, cryptocurrencies are dead
[2016-12-27 16:12:12] imapotato : I swear to god if a Sum Ting Wong joke pops this rally, I'll be pissed.
[2016-12-27 16:12:24] Naloxone : Bitmex is getting smarter. Looks like no one longed the top with 100x
[2016-12-27 16:12:34] dodic : thank god
[2016-12-27 16:12:34] bingbongfly : we going down!
[2016-12-27 16:12:44] Derreck : imapotato: so its a confirmed fake?
[2016-12-27 16:12:47] Tr : holy shit
[2016-12-27 16:12:53] dodic : a little REKT is fun but I hope no one gets totally destroyed
[2016-12-27 16:12:53] Tr : China gov LOOKING into bitcoin
[2016-12-27 16:12:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 5000 @ 6924.3
[2016-12-27 16:12:57] mjones : 100x short time