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[2016-12-26 23:48:59] l3f : lol
[2016-12-26 23:49:19] narnarfromnarnia : l3f: i got rekt man 863 went long at 870 with 50x
[2016-12-26 23:49:26] mjones : premium dropping on xbth17
[2016-12-26 23:49:37] narnarfromnarnia : mjones: increase
[2016-12-26 23:49:40] narnarfromnarnia : drop
[2016-12-26 23:49:45] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: it moves 5% a day
[2016-12-26 23:49:49] l3f : ya nee more margin dude
[2016-12-26 23:50:07] narnarfromnarnia : l3f: lost 2.6btc
[2016-12-26 23:50:13] narnarfromnarnia : depressing
[2016-12-26 23:50:16] narnarfromnarnia : but ev's
[2016-12-26 23:50:31] narnarfromnarnia : i wont it all on blackjack anyways at bovada
[2016-12-26 23:50:45] l3f : You degenerate gambler
[2016-12-26 23:50:48] MikeHunt : moving closer to the tipping point
[2016-12-26 23:50:50] narnarfromnarnia : anyone want to play there please use my email so i can try to win some hands to get back in here lol
[2016-12-26 23:51:14] MikeHunt : is there anyway to learn about the contract stuff?
[2016-12-26 23:51:19] MikeHunt : im just a vanilla buyer/seller
[2016-12-26 23:51:23] MikeHunt : sort of speculator
[2016-12-26 23:52:35] breadfan : what a confused fucking market today
[2016-12-26 23:55:18] micmix : MikeHunt: https://www.bitmex.com/app/seriesGuide/XBT
[2016-12-26 23:57:07] Angelika : micmix: hey man
[2016-12-26 23:57:20] Angelika : ops wrong account
[2016-12-26 23:57:29] Rado : hey micmix
[2016-12-26 23:58:06] Rado : do you change your spread dynamically based on market conditions?
[2016-12-26 23:58:11] Rado : or it's always the same
[2016-12-26 23:59:19] micmix : Angelika: now we know who makes all those fake girl accounts ;-)
[2016-12-26 23:59:29] Angelika : lol
[2016-12-26 23:59:39] Angelika : I just have this one
[2016-12-26 23:59:46] micmix : spread is dynamic
[2016-12-26 23:59:52] Angelika : and to my defence this is my wife's name
[2016-12-27 00:00:05] micmix : ok, I will let it pass this time
[2016-12-27 00:00:19] breadfan : fuck, i was getting turned on by having a girl trader in the trollbox :(
[2016-12-27 00:00:27] Angelika : micmix: how do you decide what the spread should be?
[2016-12-27 00:00:49] rapidtrades : WHERE WERE YOU WHEN BITCOIN HIT AN ALL-TIME HIGH?
[2016-12-27 00:01:41] micmix : Rado: it's based on available liquidity here, spreads on other exchanges and volatility
[2016-12-27 00:02:33] Rado : micmix: you can get the liquidity from teh API?
[2016-12-27 00:02:43] MikeHunt : micmix: ty
[2016-12-27 00:02:44] micmix : I'm not going to give you exact formula, I said too much already ;-)
[2016-12-27 00:02:51] Rado : :-)
[2016-12-27 00:02:55] Rado : agreed
[2016-12-27 00:03:03] Rado : just need guidance
[2016-12-27 00:03:06] Rado : thanks
[2016-12-27 00:04:33] rapidtrades : micmix: what's ur daily turnover on swap?
[2016-12-27 00:04:55] micmix : rapidtrades: not much, about 1k btc or so
[2016-12-27 00:05:14] micmix : depends on volatility
[2016-12-27 00:05:43] rapidtrades : that's almost 1 million dollars bro
[2016-12-27 00:06:12] micmix : yeah but it's less than 10% of total
[2016-12-27 00:06:20] rapidtrades : loool
[2016-12-27 00:06:21] halloz : Long from 902 - we'll see how this goes ;o
[2016-12-27 00:06:59] rapidtrades : so u make $250 per day from maker fees alone
[2016-12-27 00:07:08] rapidtrades : almost 100k per year
[2016-12-27 00:08:21] micmix : a bit less bc my bot is taker 10-20% of time
[2016-12-27 00:08:34] sleger : if you quote 0.01 spread for 10k contracts on swap you will make much more than that in making rebate, doesnt mean much on your actual pnl
[2016-12-27 00:08:48] sleger : @rapidtrades
[2016-12-27 00:09:13] micmix : yep, maker fees is less than 20% of profit usually
[2016-12-27 00:09:55] Angelika : for the 3 days I have ran the bot I traded 450k contarcts
[2016-12-27 00:10:28] Angelika : 2 of the days was changing code and settings though
[2016-12-27 00:10:28] mariomarco : Angelika: what bot
[2016-12-27 00:10:38] CaptainDean : this is the most interresting dicussion of the day :P
[2016-12-27 00:10:39] Angelika : to make it work
[2016-12-27 00:10:48] MikeHunt : so where does one get one of these bots?
[2016-12-27 00:11:21] Speran49 : you travel to the sugar cane forest
[2016-12-27 00:12:08] MikeHunt : i could probably code a bot, just curious if there was anything off the shelf
[2016-12-27 00:12:22] Speran49 : there probably is in dark corners of the net
[2016-12-27 00:12:26] ett1 : yes, click here to buy now
[2016-12-27 00:12:35] Angelika : MikeHunt: there is
[2016-12-27 00:12:40] mariomarco : MikeHunt: imo its not about coding its about the logic/angle behind it
[2016-12-27 00:12:45] Speran49 : why would someone sell one if it makes the money for them?
[2016-12-27 00:12:45] Angelika : BitMEX has a simple example bot
[2016-12-27 00:13:18] MikeHunt : im not asking for a money machine
[2016-12-27 00:13:18] rapidtrades : market making is dumb anyway, noone makes money doing it
[2016-12-27 00:13:23] MikeHunt : just something i can put my own formulas in
[2016-12-27 00:13:33] rapidtrades : we should just drop this pointless discussion
[2016-12-27 00:13:37] Speran49 : lol
[2016-12-27 00:13:38] ett1 : look at github
[2016-12-27 00:13:44] MikeHunt : yeh ill start there
[2016-12-27 00:13:45] micmix : rapidtrades: tbh my turnover is much less when volatility is low. it usually stays below 10% of total
[2016-12-27 00:13:49] ett1 : search "bitcoin trading bot' or something
[2016-12-27 00:13:59] CaptainDean : rapidtrades: I love you rapid
[2016-12-27 00:14:01] Speran49 : ive tried a million bots
[2016-12-27 00:14:08] Speran49 : i do much better just trading on my own w/o them
[2016-12-27 00:14:09] micmix : agree with rapidtrades, noone can make money market making
[2016-12-27 00:14:12] MikeHunt : i know how to trade bitcoin i just miss timings due to personal life/asleep
[2016-12-27 00:14:20] micmix : you all should stop trying
[2016-12-27 00:14:47] ett1 : MikeHunt: whats your timeframe
[2016-12-27 00:14:51] rapidtrades : +1
[2016-12-27 00:14:56] MikeHunt : ett1: 1 day
[2016-12-27 00:14:59] ett1 : dont bother with bots it yout trade daily
[2016-12-27 00:15:09] ett1 : like 1 week or 1 month positions
[2016-12-27 00:15:17] ett1 : you should learn about backtesting instead
[2016-12-27 00:15:23] mjones : where the fuck is btc going
[2016-12-27 00:15:25] ett1 : rather than arbitrage bots
[2016-12-27 00:15:39] Speran49 : trend is down mjone
[2016-12-27 00:15:44] Speran49 : but it could go up short term
[2016-12-27 00:15:46] Speran49 : you never know!
[2016-12-27 00:15:53] MikeHunt : ett1: ill have to set up some app to tell me wen there is a good dip
[2016-12-27 00:15:58] ett1 : use a platform thats already built for tsting trading systems, rather than building from scratch
[2016-12-27 00:16:32] MikeHunt : its just broken down throu a trendline it seems
[2016-12-27 00:16:42] ett1 : MikeHunt: like based on price change, or a momentum indicator?
[2016-12-27 00:16:57] MikeHunt : ett1: i think the kramer method is 5% drop
[2016-12-27 00:17:21] MikeHunt : but i know how i would program it
[2016-12-27 00:17:27] MikeHunt : i just need an SDK to play with
[2016-12-27 00:17:28] Speran49 : <shrugs>
[2016-12-27 00:17:29] ett1 : ok. but how do u know if buying after 5% drop or 15% drop is best
[2016-12-27 00:17:30] MikeHunt : since im very busy
[2016-12-27 00:17:36] Speran49 : im short waiting on further confirmation
[2016-12-27 00:17:56] ett1 : making a bot to send the alerts wont be helpful, if you dont know how the trades persom
[2016-12-27 00:17:59] ett1 : perform
[2016-12-27 00:18:03] MikeHunt : ett1: well i'd have to program technical analysis into it
[2016-12-27 00:18:18] ett1 : thats why i suggest tradestatation or similar
[2016-12-27 00:18:26] Speran49 : dont bother
[2016-12-27 00:18:27] ett1 : built for testing TA
[2016-12-27 00:18:28] MikeHunt : ill hvae a look
[2016-12-27 00:18:28] Speran49 : stick to manual trading
[2016-12-27 00:18:39] Speran49 : ive bakctested and tried for 1000 hrs
[2016-12-27 00:18:40] ett1 : rather than spread trading, or market making
[2016-12-27 00:18:57] ett1 : thats what you build your own bit for. youll need to be decent programmer
[2016-12-27 00:18:58] halloz : 901 CHEAP coin
[2016-12-27 00:18:58] Speran49 : but good luck if you decide to ;)
[2016-12-27 00:19:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 400 @ 958.05
[2016-12-27 00:19:59] MikeHunt : ett1: i think i can do the programming part
[2016-12-27 00:21:41] traxor : Hi mike -- my arb bots and sideways market bots work awesome -- the dynamic market bots are constantly fucking up -- fyi from someone who has tried.
[2016-12-27 00:22:04] ett1 : ok ye theres some online examples if you look
[2016-12-27 00:22:16] micmix : MikeHunt: if you want to backtest your strategies try tradewave.net
[2016-12-27 00:23:42] MikeHunt : traxor: what do you actually use to make them thou?
[2016-12-27 00:24:04] traxor : I use haas bots
[2016-12-27 00:24:47] ett1 : for anyone why runs bots
[2016-12-27 00:25:09] MikeHunt : micmix: ty ill check that out
[2016-12-27 00:25:11] ett1 : how long do the systems work for, before they 'stop working'
[2016-12-27 00:25:17] ett1 : youve ran some for years?
[2016-12-27 00:25:39] ett1 : or need to keep testing & tweaking every few months
[2016-12-27 00:25:41] ett1 : ?
[2016-12-27 00:25:46] MikeHunt : i'd rather make something that asks for confirmation before making a move
[2016-12-27 00:25:47] ett1 : as consditions change
[2016-12-27 00:26:16] ett1 : MikeHunt: then you probably want to be a manual trader
[2016-12-27 00:26:28] ett1 : using alerts only
[2016-12-27 00:26:33] MikeHunt : ett1: ive found the phone apps arent very reliable
[2016-12-27 00:26:45] ett1 : tradingview?
[2016-12-27 00:26:47] breadfan : set some alerts on tradingview
[2016-12-27 00:26:49] breadfan : yeah
[2016-12-27 00:26:53] ett1 : i use bitcointicker app which is good for me
[2016-12-27 00:27:52] MikeHunt : issue ive found with apps is they arent persistent
[2016-12-27 00:28:02] MikeHunt : i want something thats like my alarm clock
[2016-12-27 00:28:08] MikeHunt : wont shut up til i manually turn it off
[2016-12-27 00:28:16] MikeHunt : i sleep hevy
[2016-12-27 00:28:34] traxor : I'm constantly tweaking -- like I said -- some bots work fine with minimal tweaking -- dynamic markets are BRUTAL towards my bots and seemingly trade AGAINST me -- probably my fault as a lousy programmer, regardless of my backtesting.
[2016-12-27 00:28:53] ett1 : traxor: seems like trading the bots
[2016-12-27 00:28:59] ett1 : same as trading the market
[2016-12-27 00:29:14] ett1 : if they only work 1 month thats like a position
[2016-12-27 00:29:24] ett1 : just my view of things
[2016-12-27 00:29:27] Speran49 : markets have something called market state
[2016-12-27 00:29:33] Rado : traxor: what is a dynamic market bot?
[2016-12-27 00:29:33] Speran49 : bots can work for a time in one
[2016-12-27 00:29:36] Speran49 : and then stop in the next
[2016-12-27 00:30:04] ett1 : Speran49: so you are trying to predict the state of the market, instead of price pretty much
[2016-12-27 00:30:18] MikeHunt : tradewave doesnt seem to have RSI
[2016-12-27 00:31:24] ett1 : if this bot doesnt work in sideways markets, and this bot doesnt work in volatile upwards market
[2016-12-27 00:31:27] CaptainDean : @ett1 thanks for the aps ! they got bitmex pretty cool
[2016-12-27 00:31:48] ett1 : you have to decide what you think the market is going to do, to decide which bot to turn on/off
[2016-12-27 00:31:48] traxor : You HAVE to know the state of the market in order to determine which bots to run -- that is MY experience. Sideways markets are GREAT for bots -- always chewing away at profits -- major swings screw them up and trade agains t you at times. Arb bots work great unless the order books are thin.
[2016-12-27 00:31:54] ett1 : why not just tarde direction
[2016-12-27 00:32:51] ett1 : seems like people test and find something thats worked during the last 2 months on 5 mins candles
[2016-12-27 00:33:02] ett1 : then get surprised when it stops working after 1 week
[2016-12-27 00:34:46] traxor : ett1 You're exactly correct -- it is constant management and not good sleep at night during certain markets -- I run bots -- and I'm still 50/50...
[2016-12-27 00:35:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `WINZ16`: sell 60 @ 0.001459
[2016-12-27 00:35:51] halloz : This is like the 30th liquidation on WIN today - who buys dat shit?
[2016-12-27 00:37:31] mjones : xmr new high
[2016-12-27 00:41:16] traxor : If xmd wasn't one of the 3 alts that I liked -- I'd probably short at this price
[2016-12-27 00:41:42] traxor : Actually -- maybe I will.
[2016-12-27 00:49:08] mjones : xmr highly manipulative
[2016-12-27 00:58:34] halloz : China is opening soon - this finna get interesting
[2016-12-27 00:59:08] Angelika : halloz: you realize there is no closing
[2016-12-27 00:59:40] halloz : Angelika: The banks are closed atm
[2016-12-27 01:00:18] halloz : I don't see us going any farther without new money coming in
[2016-12-27 01:00:26] mjones : should have longed more during that dip
[2016-12-27 01:01:12] ett1 : whats positive about Monero?
[2016-12-27 01:01:25] ett1 : i thought it was just anonymous transactions
[2016-12-27 01:01:27] rms : REP also way up...
[2016-12-27 01:01:41] halloz : ett1: Another pumpcoin
[2016-12-27 01:01:45] halloz : thats about it
[2016-12-27 01:01:46] ett1 : like darkcoin / dash or soemthing
[2016-12-27 01:01:54] ett1 : thats what i though
[2016-12-27 01:07:13] mjones : xmr is nice because it's older with most of its coins mined. and has only been mega pumped once
[2016-12-27 01:07:49] mjones : and there is still no solid #1 anon coin and the one that pumps the most will be the chosen one
[2016-12-27 01:19:42] l3f : >waiting for the zec pump
[2016-12-27 01:23:40] Nerve : so...where the fuuck is that dump ?
[2016-12-27 01:24:39] Nerve : what the China woke up for ?
[2016-12-27 01:25:21] micmix : Nerve: apparently we are waiting for new money tomorrow when western banks open. everyone will transfer their savings to bitcoin
[2016-12-27 01:25:31] mariomarco : lol
[2016-12-27 01:25:41] mariomarco : "everyone" "savings" "transfer"
[2016-12-27 01:25:56] Nerve : LOL
[2016-12-27 01:26:02] micmix : he-he
[2016-12-27 01:26:19] mariomarco : "IRA" "401k"
[2016-12-27 01:26:21] mariomarco : :P
[2016-12-27 01:26:28] wellerchang : AHHHHHHHHHHH
[2016-12-27 01:26:42] mariomarco : i got a full bag of """", i can keep doing this until i die
[2016-12-27 01:26:43] mariomarco : :P
[2016-12-27 01:26:56] wellerchang : waiting for green dildo
[2016-12-27 01:27:03] wellerchang : here it comes
[2016-12-27 01:27:05] Nerve : if everyone will do that tomorrow morning, then 2morrow evening we will have 1BTC = 100.000usd
[2016-12-27 01:28:05] micmix : I'm ready to sell for 10000 today if anyone interested
[2016-12-27 01:28:13] memes : shorting btc, dare I do it xD
[2016-12-27 01:28:40] wellerchang : ITS A TRAP
[2016-12-27 01:28:43] mjones : short the bottom. not even once
[2016-12-27 01:29:57] mjones : maybe we legit running out of above $900 buyers
[2016-12-27 01:30:36] Speran49 : it's heading down dingbats
[2016-12-27 01:30:41] Speran49 : i've been short for hours
[2016-12-27 01:30:43] Tr : buy the dip
[2016-12-27 01:30:51] Speran49 : :|
[2016-12-27 01:30:53] Tr : i am wiring my fiat now
[2016-12-27 01:30:56] Tr : to buy the dips!
[2016-12-27 01:31:03] wellerchang : IN B4 GREEN DILDO?!
[2016-12-27 01:31:21] mariomarco : wellerchang: inb4 820
[2016-12-27 01:31:22] mjones : short the epic bull trap
[2016-12-27 01:31:24] mjones : that was a nice bounce
[2016-12-27 01:31:36] mjones : xmr breaking up
[2016-12-27 01:31:48] Tr : anyone BUYING THE DIP?
[2016-12-27 01:31:53] Tr : lets buy the dip togethere
[2016-12-27 01:31:59] wellerchang : LETS DO IT
[2016-12-27 01:32:14] deep : I ll be buying the dip
[2016-12-27 01:32:40] memes : man I meant to get on monero but its too high now :(
[2016-12-27 01:32:46] Speran49 : 893 is your first buy level
[2016-12-27 01:34:40] narnarfromnarnia : dummp
[2016-12-27 01:34:52] wellerchang : PUMP
[2016-12-27 01:34:52] Naloxone : okcoin, just let it dump
[2016-12-27 01:34:53] Tr : nah its already going up
[2016-12-27 01:34:58] Tr : Crooked China wont let price fall
[2016-12-27 01:35:54] wellerchang : LOCK THEM UP
[2016-12-27 01:36:00] mjones : china buys it back up and throws up 600 BTC buy wall at 6450 cny
[2016-12-27 01:36:06] Speran49 : just because price doesnt fall in 5 seconds doesnt mean it wont fall
[2016-12-27 01:36:14] memes : nah guys I opened a short so its going to go up
[2016-12-27 01:36:21] Speran49 : everything right now points to continued down
[2016-12-27 01:36:26] Speran49 : patience.
[2016-12-27 01:36:30] mariomarco : Speran49: +1
[2016-12-27 01:37:01] Tr : it cant go down
[2016-12-27 01:37:14] Tr : i've been told its going to be sideways and up to 1000 in next few days
[2016-12-27 01:37:17] Tr : its been confirmed
[2016-12-27 01:37:42] wellerchang : BY satashus himself!
[2016-12-27 01:37:44] Angelika : Tr: lol
[2016-12-27 01:38:36] Tr : see already up
[2016-12-27 01:39:05] Tr : i expect another mini ladder of green candles on Huobi that looks weird as f
[2016-12-27 01:40:41] wellerchang : hes right
[2016-12-27 01:40:49] Nerve : yes
[2016-12-27 01:40:51] wellerchang : the game is rigged
[2016-12-27 01:41:13] Nerve : green candles showed up on huobi
[2016-12-27 01:42:17] Angelika : everything is rigged to take your money
[2016-12-27 01:43:01] mjones : okcoin stacked another 600 btc at 6450 cny. in before it gets sold into again
[2016-12-27 01:43:32] MikeHunt : yuan is loosing value
[2016-12-27 01:43:40] MikeHunt : might be looking at a pump
[2016-12-27 01:44:06] mjones : meh. probably already priced in
[2016-12-27 01:44:14] mjones : maybe too priced in and we need a correction dump
[2016-12-27 01:44:21] Speran49 : as long as RSI 15 min points donw and doesnt break my trendline
[2016-12-27 01:44:22] Speran49 : im staying short
[2016-12-27 01:44:38] Speran49 : short since 910
[2016-12-27 01:44:39] Speran49 : :)
[2016-12-27 01:44:53] wellerchang : we need satan to deliver us to the depths of hell
[2016-12-27 01:45:14] wellerchang : here comes the dildo
[2016-12-27 01:45:23] wellerchang : the fuck you bears dildo
[2016-12-27 01:45:29] mjones : china here we go. new ath incoming
[2016-12-27 01:47:00] wellerchang : time to make 4650 support again!
[2016-12-27 01:47:05] Angelika : you guys sound like the pump team
[2016-12-27 01:47:07] wellerchang : i mean 6500
[2016-12-27 01:47:45] wellerchang : PUMP
[2016-12-27 01:48:51] Naloxone : The sheer stupidity of this pump is unprecedented . Ridiculously low volume and blatant manipulation by the chinese. Everything looks wrong and very fishy, I think it will crash very hard eventually
[2016-12-27 01:48:57] mjones : china making bitcoin great again since 2015
[2016-12-27 01:48:58] Nerve : so @Tr was right
[2016-12-27 01:49:00] wellerchang : 10,000 yuan is coming tomorrow
[2016-12-27 01:49:27] Tr : ye crooked China wont let the fake price fall
[2016-12-27 01:49:37] mjones : everyone putting their christmas money into bitcoin this week
[2016-12-27 01:50:06] MikeHunt : wellerchang: says who?
[2016-12-27 01:50:09] Nerve : mjones: agreee
[2016-12-27 01:50:12] Tr : ye i am sure price bouncing because Joe average wired his xmas money and bough them dips
[2016-12-27 01:50:42] mjones : wall street fat cats got their bonus.
[2016-12-27 01:50:43] wellerchang : the plunge protection team said so
[2016-12-27 01:50:53] Speran49 : i see no pump
[2016-12-27 01:50:57] Speran49 : what are you guys taking about?
[2016-12-27 01:51:03] mjones : you must not be looking at a china chart
[2016-12-27 01:51:06] Speran49 : huobi has barely moved
[2016-12-27 01:51:08] narnarfromnarnia : it'll dump a bit then go up
[2016-12-27 01:51:19] narnarfromnarnia : or alot again
[2016-12-27 01:51:24] mjones : 6436 cny to 6462 cny on 0kcoin
[2016-12-27 01:51:29] mjones : and climbing
[2016-12-27 01:51:37] Speran49 : thats nothing
[2016-12-27 01:51:38] Speran49 : a blip
[2016-12-27 01:51:41] mjones : psh
[2016-12-27 01:51:45] Speran49 : you're watching on 1min or some shit
[2016-12-27 01:51:47] mjones : it's the start of something great
[2016-12-27 01:52:00] mjones : you gotta look at the 1 minute to see the start of something great
[2016-12-27 01:52:03] mjones : otherwise you'll miss it
[2016-12-27 01:52:10] Speran49 : if you watch below 15 min then you're an impatient fool
[2016-12-27 01:52:14] narnarfromnarnia : accumulation here but it will need to go down
[2016-12-27 01:52:21] narnarfromnarnia : 1m 100x
[2016-12-27 01:52:21] Speran49 : and you will miss the bigger picture everytime
[2016-12-27 01:52:23] narnarfromnarnia : bra
[2016-12-27 01:52:34] mjones : gotta look at the 1 minute to be able to enter your longs and shorts and the top and bottom
[2016-12-27 01:52:36] MikeHunt : i trade by 1hour
[2016-12-27 01:52:41] Speran49 : been there done that
[2016-12-27 01:52:45] Nerve : narnarfromnarnia: big balls is back in town ?
[2016-12-27 01:52:56] Speran49 : 15 min is great for swings. Trade 50x and use more btc
[2016-12-27 01:53:01] Speran49 : no reason to use 100x margin
[2016-12-27 01:53:01] narnarfromnarnia : Nerve: just a small amount let's see if i can get 880
[2016-12-27 01:53:21] Nerve : narnarfromnarnia: not today
[2016-12-27 01:53:27] Speran49 : i been doing this for fun for 3 days instead of playing games. This is my game. I'm up 300%
[2016-12-27 01:53:40] narnarfromnarnia : https://www.tradingview.com/x/xjGxpfs9/
[2016-12-27 01:53:49] Speran49 : but ive been trading in the normal markets for 6 years
[2016-12-27 01:53:54] cookielito : I was up 3000%
[2016-12-27 01:53:57] narnarfromnarnia : Speran49: it'll all be wiped out soon
[2016-12-27 01:53:58] cookielito : then got wiped
[2016-12-27 01:54:05] Speran49 : lol
[2016-12-27 01:54:06] narnarfromnarnia : cookielito: my point right there
[2016-12-27 01:54:11] Speran49 : it won't
[2016-12-27 01:54:17] Speran49 : trade with only 5% of portfolio per trade
[2016-12-27 01:54:19] cookielito : it happens
[2016-12-27 01:54:21] narnarfromnarnia : cookielito: what were you trading small big leverage trades?
[2016-12-27 01:54:22] Speran49 : keep tight stop loss
[2016-12-27 01:54:35] Speran49 : no one trade wipes you out and you minimize losses
[2016-12-27 01:54:38] cookielito : i started with 150 bucks
[2016-12-27 01:54:42] narnarfromnarnia : nice
[2016-12-27 01:54:42] cookielito : ended up with 4.6 btc
[2016-12-27 01:54:43] Speran49 : it's math guys
[2016-12-27 01:54:52] MikeHunt : majority of pump is coming from china which is collapsing
[2016-12-27 01:55:02] narnarfromnarnia : cookielito: im at couple hundred just got wiped 2.6
[2016-12-27 01:55:02] cookielito : then took out a 100k position
[2016-12-27 01:55:11] cookielito : lobg
[2016-12-27 01:55:17] Speran49 : idiiot
[2016-12-27 01:55:20] cookielito : and a flash crash killed me
[2016-12-27 01:55:24] Speran49 : you never put that much in 1 trade
[2016-12-27 01:55:31] MikeHunt : yup
[2016-12-27 01:55:41] Speran49 : mikehunt is the only one here who seems to konw what he is doing
[2016-12-27 01:55:49] MikeHunt : but makes the least money
[2016-12-27 01:55:50] MikeHunt : lol
[2016-12-27 01:55:54] cookielito : leverage here is too insane
[2016-12-27 01:55:57] Speran49 : probably lose the least too
[2016-12-27 01:55:57] Tr : the only true way to trade is to go all-in on 100x
[2016-12-27 01:56:07] Speran49 : that's called gambling Tr
[2016-12-27 01:56:08] narnarfromnarnia : Tr: when we're flat like this
[2016-12-27 01:56:09] narnarfromnarnia : ya
[2016-12-27 01:56:10] Speran49 : they have casinos for that
[2016-12-27 01:56:18] MikeHunt : so far im up $1.5k since 2013 bubble but i reckon i could do better
[2016-12-27 01:56:20] narnarfromnarnia : it's either black jack or this
[2016-12-27 01:56:38] narnarfromnarnia : it's fun making 1k or losing 1k a day
[2016-12-27 01:56:47] Speran49 : its fun?
[2016-12-27 01:56:49] Speran49 : 1k is a lot
[2016-12-27 01:56:49] Speran49 : lol
[2016-12-27 01:56:55] Speran49 : id rather make 200 a day and not lose it
[2016-12-27 01:56:59] narnarfromnarnia : ya i lost 2.6btc 2 days ago
[2016-12-27 01:57:01] narnarfromnarnia : so fun
[2016-12-27 01:57:09] Speran49 : shoulda listen to sherry and I
[2016-12-27 01:57:13] narnarfromnarnia : but would have been like 6btc
[2016-12-27 01:57:14] Speran49 : you'd have kept it
[2016-12-27 01:57:25] Speran49 : just go short
[2016-12-27 01:57:25] narnarfromnarnia : $2 to my liq price
[2016-12-27 01:57:35] traxor : MikeHunt I made 8K on Christmas Day -- Pure luck of course... :D
[2016-12-27 01:57:36] cookielito : long or short speran?
[2016-12-27 01:57:43] Speran49 : short.
[2016-12-27 01:57:45] MikeHunt : generally buying the dips on RSI 1hour is pretty sure bet for $$$$
[2016-12-27 01:58:03] MikeHunt : traxor: i would have made $1k if i had caught the china pumps in time
[2016-12-27 01:58:04] Speran49 : RSi 1 hr is clear down
[2016-12-27 01:58:06] Naloxone : I am done with Bitcoin for today, will long some ETCWIN better
[2016-12-27 01:58:59] traxor : I was serious about being lucky -- lol. Also -- as far as your indicators go -- once the 4hr MACD turns green -- imo, that means GO!
[2016-12-27 01:59:01] MikeHunt : Speran49: i usually wait til its around or bellow 30
[2016-12-27 01:59:11] cookielito : stay short
[2016-12-27 01:59:15] cookielito : but cover soon
[2016-12-27 01:59:29] Speran49 : i have specialized RSI that helps me a lot
[2016-12-27 02:00:06] MikeHunt : i use bitcoinwisdom
[2016-12-27 02:00:18] Speran49 : anyway, imma go read a book and keep an eye in background. Sitting here is waste of time ;)
[2016-12-27 02:00:31] Speran49 : if i am wrong, next bus in 10 mins hehe
[2016-12-27 02:00:35] Speran49 : remember that and you will never lose
[2016-12-27 02:01:59] MikeHunt : lol
[2016-12-27 02:02:53] traxor : MikeHunt: RSI is a MINOR indicator in most circumstances -- obviously the RSI divergence is important; otherwise 3rd to 5th down on the list. I'll step out now, since I'm a newcomer... Best of luck trading to EVERYONE here for the rest of the year!
[2016-12-27 02:03:41] Speran49 : all i use is RSI div. + fibs and s/r
[2016-12-27 02:03:43] Speran49 : :)
[2016-12-27 02:03:48] Speran49 : kiss
[2016-12-27 02:04:00] Nerve : narnarfromnarnia: OUCH
[2016-12-27 02:04:05] cookielito : dmt predicts flawlessly
[2016-12-27 02:04:15] cookielito : kidding
[2016-12-27 02:04:28] ett1 : s/r breakouts, donchian channels. i look at trendline, flag/triangles
[2016-12-27 02:04:37] ett1 : thats my TA
[2016-12-27 02:04:55] sleger : i look at morons in the chat and do the opposite, thats my TA
[2016-12-27 02:05:09] Speran49 : sleger: +!
[2016-12-27 02:05:13] Speran49 : sleger: +1
[2016-12-27 02:05:25] happy : lol
[2016-12-27 02:07:01] ett1 : my spidey sense is tingling
[2016-12-27 02:07:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: sell 10000 @ 901.68
[2016-12-27 02:07:27] arbitrage001 : good morning
[2016-12-27 02:07:34] arbitrage001 : how is everyone doing
[2016-12-27 02:07:45] arbitrage001 : getting rich?
[2016-12-27 02:07:53] sleger : ^he is a good trollbox indicator
[2016-12-27 02:07:59] ett1 : nothing changing
[2016-12-27 02:08:01] narnarfromnarnia : hold on to yer shorts
[2016-12-27 02:08:04] Speran49 : ahahahha
[2016-12-27 02:08:07] Speran49 : good to know sleger
[2016-12-27 02:08:20] arbitrage001 : i dont understand
[2016-12-27 02:08:25] Speran49 : i've found narnar to be a good opposite one as well ;)
[2016-12-27 02:08:31] sleger : that's the point @arbitrage001
[2016-12-27 02:09:22] narnarfromnarnia : Speran49: lol i've done alright before just got wiped
[2016-12-27 02:09:47] Speran49 : yeah i know im kidding. I don't care what anyone does. I follow my plan and mine only.
[2016-12-27 02:09:48] narnarfromnarnia : i keep forgeting that i don't have to trade everyday and i lose it
[2016-12-27 02:10:01] ett1 : you need to preserve your chips to play
[2016-12-27 02:10:03] Speran49 : you must learn patience. How old are you?
[2016-12-27 02:10:12] Speran49 : i dont think anyone below 26 should be trading
[2016-12-27 02:10:12] narnarfromnarnia : 1hr looks down to 888
[2016-12-27 02:10:15] narnarfromnarnia : to me
[2016-12-27 02:10:19] narnarfromnarnia : thats what im sticking too
[2016-12-27 02:10:27] Speran49 : it requires a patience you don't develop till after that age
[2016-12-27 02:10:36] ett1 : Speran49: lol. yes they should make it a law
[2016-12-27 02:10:43] narnarfromnarnia : lol
[2016-12-27 02:10:46] ett1 : hahahaha @Speran49
[2016-12-27 02:11:10] ett1 : at 25 something clicks
[2016-12-27 02:11:18] ett1 : dont bother kids
[2016-12-27 02:12:30] ett1 : i'm 25 and a half. should i wait until i reach my maturity
[2016-12-27 02:12:58] Speran49 : nah this is how you know if you're doing it right
[2016-12-27 02:12:59] Speran49 : when you trade
[2016-12-27 02:13:02] Speran49 : for each trade
[2016-12-27 02:13:08] Speran49 : if you don't give a shit if you lose it
[2016-12-27 02:13:15] Speran49 : you know you're trading the correct amt
[2016-12-27 02:13:20] Speran49 : and you will succeed
[2016-12-27 02:13:36] Speran49 : otherwise you're screwed and you'll cause yourself a lot of stress
[2016-12-27 02:14:09] ett1 : yes i suppose. got to feel a bit of pain for the rewards to be worth it though
[2016-12-27 02:14:09] Speran49 : think about trading like a jo
[2016-12-27 02:14:17] Speran49 : no think of it like a job
[2016-12-27 02:14:28] Speran49 : if you normal job after tax is $20 an hour
[2016-12-27 02:14:33] Speran49 : or even $15 an hour AFTER TAX
[2016-12-27 02:14:49] ett1 : i think you mean you need exprience. i dont htink age has anything to do with patience or tarding skill
[2016-12-27 02:14:57] Speran49 : then if you spend 5 hrs on a trade and the profit is $100 you still did better than most ppl in america
[2016-12-27 02:15:08] Speran49 : no age helps too
[2016-12-27 02:15:11] mjones : xmr mooning
[2016-12-27 02:15:21] Speran49 : it teaches experience and gives patience
[2016-12-27 02:16:03] Speran49 : the key for me is simply remembering that as long as i make more than at my day job. I am a success
[2016-12-27 02:16:04] ett1 : id have faith in an 18 year old trader if he had like 4 years experience
[2016-12-27 02:16:07] ett1 : depends
[2016-12-27 02:17:00] ett1 : do you believe women make better traders than men?
[2016-12-27 02:17:21] Speran49 : yes
[2016-12-27 02:17:26] Speran49 : they aren't as greedy
[2016-12-27 02:17:30] ett1 : i think the gamble less
[2016-12-27 02:17:31] ett1 : yes
[2016-12-27 02:17:32] Speran49 : and they have greater patience
[2016-12-27 02:17:42] Speran49 : men are inherently impatient
[2016-12-27 02:17:48] Speran49 : i prefer female doctors too
[2016-12-27 02:17:51] Speran49 : most males are asshats
[2016-12-27 02:17:53] cookielito : greed is good gentlemen
[2016-12-27 02:18:01] ett1 : Speran49: my balls hurt
[2016-12-27 02:18:09] Speran49 : ha
[2016-12-27 02:18:12] ett1 : got any recommendations
[2016-12-27 02:18:22] Speran49 : tinder
[2016-12-27 02:18:27] Speran49 : good lighting
[2016-12-27 02:18:37] Speran49 : money
[2016-12-27 02:18:40] ett1 : i belive theyre less likely to blow up
[2016-12-27 02:19:03] Speran49 : hit the gym haha and be funny........
[2016-12-27 02:19:06] ett1 : but men can take capital and risk it to grow 10000x and become kings
[2016-12-27 02:19:15] cookielito : exactly
[2016-12-27 02:19:22] Speran49 : yes this is also true
[2016-12-27 02:19:28] ett1 : thats why they own the world
[2016-12-27 02:19:43] ett1 : never met a female investment allocator
[2016-12-27 02:19:49] Speran49 : risk is important for greatness
[2016-12-27 02:19:53] Speran49 : calculated risk
[2016-12-27 02:20:00] Speran49 : there is risk and then there is gambling
[2016-12-27 02:20:06] Speran49 : 100x on 50% of your portfolio is gambliing
[2016-12-27 02:20:11] Speran49 : 50x with 5% is calculated risk.
[2016-12-27 02:20:21] ett1 : ye i agree
[2016-12-27 02:20:31] ett1 : or go nuts if you know youve got income coming later
[2016-12-27 02:20:39] Speran49 : no
[2016-12-27 02:20:42] Speran49 : never go nuts
[2016-12-27 02:20:45] Speran49 : you'll lose it
[2016-12-27 02:20:54] Speran49 : value every penny like its your last
[2016-12-27 02:21:18] ett1 : im saying for someone who has high salary, they could play with 10x larger size
[2016-12-27 02:21:18] Angelika : Speran49: ?
[2016-12-27 02:21:21] ett1 : if they blow up
[2016-12-27 02:21:38] ett1 : they can just replace what would have been 10% of they size they really want to trade with
[2016-12-27 02:21:39] Speran49 : its all relative
[2016-12-27 02:21:39] cookielito : gentlemen close your shorts
[2016-12-27 02:21:45] cookielito : china woke the fuck up
[2016-12-27 02:22:05] cookielito : fucking
[2016-12-27 02:22:09] halloz : 900 CHEAP COIN
[2016-12-27 02:22:13] cookielito : for real
[2016-12-27 02:22:23] Angelika : not so fast I think
[2016-12-27 02:22:23] halloz : :D
[2016-12-27 02:22:32] ett1 : but doesnt have $200k in savings
[2016-12-27 02:22:45] ett1 : could probably risk $10k with 25x leverage
[2016-12-27 02:23:20] halloz : Despite the double top - we have remained here for a really long time. Shows strength imo
[2016-12-27 02:23:21] ett1 : is ok with someone who has $10k month income
[2016-12-27 02:23:47] Speran49 : well see what happens
[2016-12-27 02:23:52] Speran49 : either way it could go
[2016-12-27 02:23:52] Angelika : ett1: I have $10k income
[2016-12-27 02:23:56] Angelika : I only trade 1.5x
[2016-12-27 02:24:00] Speran49 : the chinese rally was on declining volume
[2016-12-27 02:24:15] ett1 : Angelika: you probably wont blow up then
[2016-12-27 02:24:21] ett1 : like someone with $100k income
[2016-12-27 02:24:25] Speran49 : there is a reason he/she prolly makes 10k a month ahha
[2016-12-27 02:24:25] ett1 : im guessing you can risk 1-5 btc
[2016-12-27 02:24:28] Speran49 : intelligence
[2016-12-27 02:24:46] ett1 : if you can grow it quit the job
[2016-12-27 02:25:27] ett1 : or a country that doesnt have high costs
[2016-12-27 02:25:42] ett1 : everything relative anyway
[2016-12-27 02:30:37] halloz : yum 900$ coin
[2016-12-27 02:31:35] happy : i will buy at 895
[2016-12-27 02:32:32] Angelika : happy: 895 was earlier
[2016-12-27 02:32:47] halloz : happy: Not sure we'll bounce there if we go down. When this moves...it will go HAM
[2016-12-27 02:33:00] halloz : in whatever direction it goes
[2016-12-27 02:37:06] happy : looks like this will go crazy tomorrow
[2016-12-27 02:37:24] Angelika : or not