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[2016-12-26 17:10:38] emirate : can trade with 0.0005
[2016-12-26 17:10:58] ett1 : if you make winning trades, you can withdraw your profits. im not sure. theres no minimum but thats kind of small
[2016-12-26 17:11:13] ett1 : arnt transaction fees 0.0001 ?
[2016-12-26 17:11:21] ett1 : when you deposit or withdraw
[2016-12-26 17:11:27] ett1 : youll lose 40% right there lol
[2016-12-26 17:11:39] ett1 : and thats a pennies
[2016-12-26 17:11:50] ett1 : better to play on the testnet
[2016-12-26 17:15:40] emirate : how can i make a wining trade here
[2016-12-26 17:15:54] memes : predict the future
[2016-12-26 17:15:54] memes : ez
[2016-12-26 17:16:19] ett1 : buy at a lower price then sell when it moves higher
[2016-12-26 17:16:21] ett1 : or vice versa
[2016-12-26 17:16:40] ett1 : play with the testnet first
[2016-12-26 17:17:01] ett1 : education is more important than playing with a tiny amount of btc
[2016-12-26 17:17:23] ett1 : You hve liek $0.50 cents
[2016-12-26 17:17:36] ett1 : buy some more
[2016-12-26 17:17:47] emirate : 1$
[2016-12-26 17:17:58] elmorte : whose alter ego is emirate?
[2016-12-26 17:18:02] memes : at least a lunch
[2016-12-26 17:18:22] ett1 : do you have a bank account, or card. better playing with $10 or $20
[2016-12-26 17:18:27] ett1 : or whatever you can
[2016-12-26 17:18:39] ett1 : but you sound very beginner. youll probably lose
[2016-12-26 17:18:51] emirate : yes
[2016-12-26 17:18:53] ett1 : need to practice with no money i think
[2016-12-26 17:19:03] ett1 : play with the testnet
[2016-12-26 17:19:14] ett1 : it will be valuable and youll have the same fun
[2016-12-26 17:19:15] emirate : i use wallet address
[2016-12-26 17:19:49] ett1 : how much do you think you can turn that $1 into
[2016-12-26 17:20:07] emirate : 2$ think
[2016-12-26 17:20:14] ett1 : whats the point
[2016-12-26 17:20:27] elmorte : 1$
[2016-12-26 17:20:31] ett1 : you want to buy something? dont spend it all in the one shop
[2016-12-26 17:21:20] emirate : what best contracts to use firstly
[2016-12-26 17:21:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: buy 50 @ 0.011262
[2016-12-26 17:21:34] ett1 : these no best
[2016-12-26 17:21:41] ett1 : you need to read a book or practice
[2016-12-26 17:21:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: sell 7184 @ 0.001162
[2016-12-26 17:21:55] ett1 : better things you can do if you want to earn $1
[2016-12-26 17:22:06] memes : you need capital
[2016-12-26 17:22:11] ett1 : maybe of you learn you can get a job in a bank one day
[2016-12-26 17:22:12] memes : work > aquire capital
[2016-12-26 17:22:17] memes : use capital to trade
[2016-12-26 17:22:17] ett1 : thats like 1,000,000x return
[2016-12-26 17:22:43] ett1 : not being some pleb with $0.50. you have money for internet atleast
[2016-12-26 17:23:06] halloz : hi everyone
[2016-12-26 17:24:04] halloz : looks like bitcoin is still goin strong
[2016-12-26 17:24:18] emirate : ETC7D best
[2016-12-26 17:24:51] emirate : bitcoin/yuan best to buy and sell later
[2016-12-26 17:24:55] ett1 : play on the testnet. thats my best advice
[2016-12-26 17:25:15] ett1 : see if you can turn 10 fake bitcoins into something more
[2016-12-26 17:27:17] ett1 : you can test you skill there. it uses the real prices
[2016-12-26 17:28:01] elmorte : emirate: dude, you're a natural
[2016-12-26 17:28:26] rapidtrades : https://testnet.bitmex.com/
[2016-12-26 17:28:48] ett1 : rapidtrades: thanks
[2016-12-26 17:29:06] ett1 : emirate: ^^^ youll like it
[2016-12-26 17:29:12] elmorte : fck that monopoly money bs...dude wants to make serious dough
[2016-12-26 17:29:34] ett1 : 0.50 is monopoly money
[2016-12-26 17:29:41] emirate : yea
[2016-12-26 17:39:45] Tr : short here for infinite leverage for infite gains
[2016-12-26 17:41:38] wellerchang : KILL IT WITH FIRE
[2016-12-26 17:41:55] Tr : China was traping noobs all along
[2016-12-26 17:42:13] laisee : how so?
[2016-12-26 17:42:20] wellerchang : ITS A MONSTROSITY
[2016-12-26 17:42:34] Tr : convienced everyone that imaginary digital money worth 900$ bucks
[2016-12-26 17:43:05] laisee : its worth 10,000 ... buy it cheep now
[2016-12-26 17:43:52] Tr : 10k toilet paper money maybe
[2016-12-26 17:44:05] wellerchang : YES DONT WAIT FOR DIP! KEEP BUYING!
[2016-12-26 17:44:14] Tr : BUY THE DIP
[2016-12-26 17:44:31] justinlooking : $10101
[2016-12-26 17:44:41] halloz : 905 CHEAP coin
[2016-12-26 17:44:44] justinlooking : for the trololols
[2016-12-26 17:44:45] laisee : how can we have dips if no-one sells?
[2016-12-26 17:44:51] Tr : 905?
[2016-12-26 17:45:03] halloz : $905
[2016-12-26 17:45:07] elmorte : That's like 21 bucks @justinlooking
[2016-12-26 17:45:41] Tr : Ok guys i think we reached the bottom
[2016-12-26 17:45:44] elmorte : miners have to sell to pay electricity
[2016-12-26 17:45:49] Tr : its only been 2 seconds of dumping but i am sure its the bottom
[2016-12-26 17:47:54] wellerchang : OF COURSE! AFTER 12 WEEKS OF HIGHER LOWS, ITS DEFINITLY THE BOTTOM
[2016-12-26 17:48:25] Tr : i am buying the dip
[2016-12-26 17:48:30] Tr : people promised me 1000$
[2016-12-26 17:48:35] Tr : so i will hold them accountable
[2016-12-26 17:48:54] justinlooking : u missed a zero
[2016-12-26 17:49:32] halloz : x ∞
[2016-12-26 17:49:52] ett1 : and beyond
[2016-12-26 17:50:18] Tr : anyone buying the dip?
[2016-12-26 17:50:22] Tr : pro traders always buy the dip
[2016-12-26 17:50:26] ett1 : bottoms in
[2016-12-26 17:50:40] Tr : bottom CONFIRMED
[2016-12-26 17:50:54] Tr : 200000x leverage long here
[2016-12-26 17:50:58] ett1 : higher low!
[2016-12-26 17:51:00] Tr : price cant go any lower
[2016-12-26 17:51:03] Tr : see
[2016-12-26 17:51:20] ett1 : next stop 900
[2016-12-26 17:52:08] Tr : 900 CNY
[2016-12-26 17:52:18] halloz : CHEAP COIN
[2016-12-26 17:52:25] halloz : Buy it all
[2016-12-26 17:52:35] Lazycoin : btc is long term coin
[2016-12-26 17:52:46] ett1 : im surprised theyre giving you this much time
[2016-12-26 17:53:04] ett1 : new ATH be EOD?
[2016-12-26 17:53:18] Tr : well prev ATH was fake
[2016-12-26 17:53:22] Tr : so this could be the legit ATH
[2016-12-26 17:53:37] ett1 : very good point there
[2016-12-26 17:53:58] Tr : even though the China could be doing the very same thing Karpeles did
[2016-12-26 17:54:34] ett1 : bitfinex is the one to worry about id say
[2016-12-26 17:55:05] Tr : dont think bitfinex does anythin
[2016-12-26 17:55:07] Tr : no volume there
[2016-12-26 17:56:31] ett1 : Tr: 900 broken!
[2016-12-26 17:56:32] ett1 : lol
[2016-12-26 17:59:21] Tr : BTC is basically ChinaCoin
[2016-12-26 17:59:24] Tr : at this point
[2016-12-26 17:59:46] Tr : they dictate the price
[2016-12-26 18:01:27] MikeHunt : 93% of buyers are chinese iiirc
[2016-12-26 18:02:00] MikeHunt : also this dead cat bounce looks like it's coming to an end
[2016-12-26 18:02:04] MikeHunt : with a double top
[2016-12-26 18:02:48] Tr : China just trying to figure out the highest price to dump on BTC cultists
[2016-12-26 18:10:24] halloz : people selling this shit when its prob not even gonna break 900
[2016-12-26 18:21:45] wellerchang : DOES BTC MAKE A SOUND WHEN IT DUMPS, IF NO ONE IS THERE TO SELL IT?
[2016-12-26 18:25:08] Tr : i am buying the dips
[2016-12-26 18:36:00] mjones : xmr been banging this resistance for 2 months. especially during this BTC bulltrend. xmr = hella bullish
[2016-12-26 18:38:39] abz : What minimum spread I have to maintain in order to receive Make fee -0.0250% ?
[2016-12-26 18:39:08] rapidtrades : no min
[2016-12-26 18:39:33] rapidtrades : all orders that rest on orderbook get maker fee when filled
[2016-12-26 18:40:50] abz : Then why some limit orders in my trading history have 0.0750% fee?
[2016-12-26 18:41:02] halloz : it changes
[2016-12-26 18:41:24] halloz : look at the top right
[2016-12-26 18:41:43] rapidtrades : its not limit orders that get paid...its orders that rest on orderbook...use the checkbox to make sure u get rebate @abz
[2016-12-26 18:42:04] rapidtrades : post-only
[2016-12-26 18:42:47] abz : thank you @rapidtrades
[2016-12-26 18:43:45] abz : halloz: you mean it depends on funding fee? is there anything to read about it?
[2016-12-26 18:44:28] halloz : I thought so - I'll try to dig up the page
[2016-12-26 18:44:43] abz : thanks @halloz
[2016-12-26 18:48:17] halloz : Looks like I'm mistaken - constant .075 taker fee
[2016-12-26 18:48:28] halloz : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2016-12-26 18:48:35] BitMEX_Greg : abz: If you use a limit order and you hit another order then you will pay the taker fee of 0.075%
[2016-12-26 18:48:51] BitMEX_Greg : If you place a limit order and it sits in the order book, then you will not pay the taker fee
[2016-12-26 18:55:51] rapidtrades : is 'os.path.join' same as from 'os.path import join'
[2016-12-26 18:57:45] javierstone : china starting to do its thang
[2016-12-26 18:57:51] javierstone : andale
[2016-12-26 18:59:08] halloz : rapidtrades: yeah
[2016-12-26 18:59:57] halloz : scripting a bot?
[2016-12-26 19:00:08] rapidtrades : i was googling the latter and nothing came up
[2016-12-26 19:00:17] rapidtrades : no still learning
[2016-12-26 19:01:01] halloz : could just import os.path
[2016-12-26 19:04:06] rapidtrades : yeah i guess...will that add some slowdown cos ur importing the whole thing instead of a part
[2016-12-26 19:05:50] halloz : True - not sure if the difference is significant or not
[2016-12-26 19:06:41] javierstone : so funny that xmr surpassed eth
[2016-12-26 19:07:55] MrRGnome : rapidtrades: It's the same functionally. Defining a broader scope is slower but writing the same scope import using a different syntax is the same functionally.
[2016-12-26 19:07:59] halloz : javierstone: People were trolling that shit hella hard earlier this year when ETH was pumping
[2016-12-26 19:08:29] javierstone : halloz: xmr has been quietly pumping
[2016-12-26 19:08:29] imapotato : Can we moon now?
[2016-12-26 19:08:36] javierstone : its because no one openly talks about DNM
[2016-12-26 19:08:46] ett1 : imapotato: thats what im thinking
[2016-12-26 19:08:47] halloz : True
[2016-12-26 19:08:49] ett1 : so bored
[2016-12-26 19:09:02] javierstone : start buying bitches
[2016-12-26 19:09:12] emperortrump : BTC/CNY Long all the way
[2016-12-26 19:09:17] MrRGnome : ETHs failure to understand the nash equilibrium composing bitcoins economic security model is their downfall.
[2016-12-26 19:09:29] MrRGnome : They just don't understand the incentive mechanisms, which is why they are constantly having issues with bad actors.
[2016-12-26 19:09:37] MrRGnome : Why their coin has no value.
[2016-12-26 19:10:11] javierstone : MrRGnome: whats the nash equilibrium
[2016-12-26 19:10:20] javierstone : explain to me like i've seen beautiful mind
[2016-12-26 19:11:05] ett1 : wikipedias best for that
[2016-12-26 19:11:09] MrRGnome : A nash equilibrium is a component of game theory. It basically says that you are in a state of nash equilibrium when the particiapnts competing against eachother have no incentive to chang etheir actions, creating a state of equilibrium despite competing with each other
[2016-12-26 19:12:03] MrRGnome : In bitcoin when we refer to the nash equilibrium it's the miners competing against eachother, and the incentive model of block and fee rewards designed to make it so the most profitable course of action for these competing entities is to secure the network
[2016-12-26 19:12:40] javierstone : ahhh gotcha
[2016-12-26 19:12:42] ett1 : miners are short sighted for selling once mined
[2016-12-26 19:12:46] MrRGnome : If you had an amount of resource with which to attack the network as a miner, you would always be better served using those resources to mine bitcoins rather than try to force a fork
[2016-12-26 19:13:06] javierstone : ah thats genius
[2016-12-26 19:13:19] javierstone : i think they are on to something with the bitcoin
[2016-12-26 19:13:34] imapotato : O rly
[2016-12-26 19:13:58] javierstone : MrRGnome: ty for the explanation in all seriousness
[2016-12-26 19:14:07] MrRGnome : np
[2016-12-26 19:14:42] javierstone : hence why eth is constantly having to fork?
[2016-12-26 19:14:54] MrRGnome : So back to my original comment,w hen ETH tries to centrally interven, say by blockcing a bunch of coins from moving - they have changed the incentive model for some of the participants
[2016-12-26 19:15:03] MrRGnome : Now ther eis an incentive to fork and get those coins back, say as ETC
[2016-12-26 19:15:21] MrRGnome : When they print so many coins that they don't in any way have value, you are also ruining the equilibrium
[2016-12-26 19:15:32] javierstone : gotcha whereas btc is just brutalist u fukt up u lost them
[2016-12-26 19:15:57] MrRGnome : Exactyl, which isn't desirable for anybody but it is a necessary evil that secures the integrity of the network
[2016-12-26 19:16:54] MrRGnome : It's also a reason why hard forks are so feared, any small change could have an unexpected impact, incentivizing unseen behaviour that is detrimental tot he nash equilibrium creating security.
[2016-12-26 19:17:30] abz : thank you @halloz @BitMEX_Greg
[2016-12-26 19:17:45] MrRGnome : We already see some of these problems in bitcoin in the form of selfish mining and empty block mining, where the equilibrium is out of whack
[2016-12-26 19:18:46] imapotato : Alright, are we mooning now or what? It's Monday, bank transfers should be back in full swing.
[2016-12-26 19:19:28] MrRGnome : I just exited my safety short incase we double topped, I'm bettinganother leg up.
[2016-12-26 19:20:33] imapotato : If we cross 920 on finex I'm going 50x
[2016-12-26 19:21:02] rms : today is a bank holiday in the usa
[2016-12-26 19:21:11] MrRGnome : I'm too scared for that kind of thing. Just going to hold and keep putting in shorts at peaks, with stop losses close behind.
[2016-12-26 19:21:15] imapotato : Oh... :(
[2016-12-26 19:21:41] imapotato : But why
[2016-12-26 19:21:48] MrRGnome : boxing day!
[2016-12-26 19:22:04] rms : christmas was on a sunday so observed christmas is today
[2016-12-26 19:22:08] rms : so that people still get a day off work
[2016-12-26 19:22:30] imapotato : Didn't Jesus know that Bitcoin would be rallying?
[2016-12-26 19:22:42] rms : i forgot to tell him
[2016-12-26 19:22:49] javierstone : imapotato: ya thats why he wasn't born in christmas
[2016-12-26 19:23:00] MrRGnome : ^^
[2016-12-26 19:23:03] ett1 : Satoshi is god's son on earth
[2016-12-26 19:23:07] imapotato : True, but
[2016-12-26 19:23:17] imapotato : Who decided to celebrate on the 25th
[2016-12-26 19:23:33] imapotato : What were they thinking? That's prime Bitcoin season
[2016-12-26 19:23:40] ett1 : i celebrated by trading bitcoin
[2016-12-26 19:23:43] ett1 : shows my commitment
[2016-12-26 19:24:03] ett1 : bitcoin will not spare the unprepared
[2016-12-26 19:24:27] javierstone : he was born in the summer which would have been convenient
[2016-12-26 19:24:46] halloz : zzzz
[2016-12-26 19:24:47] MrRGnome : pagans just wanna have fun
[2016-12-26 19:24:51] imapotato : Was he black
[2016-12-26 19:25:24] ett1 : serious here. i dont believe jesus was a historical figure
[2016-12-26 19:25:28] ett1 : wheres the evidence
[2016-12-26 19:25:43] imapotato : The Bible
[2016-12-26 19:25:57] halloz : bitcoin being such a fucking tease
[2016-12-26 19:26:08] MrRGnome : There is evidence of a man claiming to be jesus who did live a life around the time suggested. It's in historical writings, documenting the rabble he was rousing
[2016-12-26 19:26:25] ett1 : thats was written by others. like 60 years after he dies sipposidly. not like julius ceasar who had his statue or head on coins. or like he wrote anything
[2016-12-26 19:26:29] ett1 : hes just a fairy tail
[2016-12-26 19:26:36] ett1 : tale*
[2016-12-26 19:26:41] imapotato : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus
[2016-12-26 19:26:54] MrRGnome : From a historical context though, that 3rd party 60 years later stuff is considered good sourcing
[2016-12-26 19:27:15] MrRGnome : If you throw that out as fantasy we have to say we have no idea what was going on 1000 years ago aside froma handful of people.
[2016-12-26 19:27:37] ett1 : MrRGnome: well, if thats good sourcing it shoes how flimsy the evidence is
[2016-12-26 19:27:45] MrRGnome : Welsome to the social sciences
[2016-12-26 19:27:56] ett1 : just a bunch of historians ay thats good enough as fact. try asking some scientists
[2016-12-26 19:28:03] ett1 : https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-evidence-for-a-historical-Jesus
[2016-12-26 19:28:14] ett1 : nothing convinces me here
[2016-12-26 19:28:34] MrRGnome : social science follows an entirely different evidence standard than hard science
[2016-12-26 19:29:15] ett1 : controversial opinion, but i think its one the things that seems amazing when you start to qiestion
[2016-12-26 19:29:49] ett1 : i assumed as a kid the miricles were made up, but atleast the guy was alive
[2016-12-26 19:29:56] MrRGnome : Oh, I agree. But I mean I'm not about to throw away the entire fields of history, anthropology, philosophy...
[2016-12-26 19:30:00] ett1 : now im pretty sure theres no jesus
[2016-12-26 19:30:40] ett1 : no idea about bhudda or mohamed. maybe they were real
[2016-12-26 19:30:49] MrRGnome : Just because you can say something with more confidence than another thing, doesn't mean you can't say both.
[2016-12-26 19:31:11] MrRGnome : Most historians agree there was very likely a Yeshua figure that actually lived.
[2016-12-26 19:31:13] NL007 : O-0
[2016-12-26 19:31:32] memes : The Jews keep a record of every man who claims to be the messiah
[2016-12-26 19:31:52] memes : every lunatic and crazy man is on that list regardless
[2016-12-26 19:31:54] ett1 : where
[2016-12-26 19:31:57] memes : but Jesus isnt on it
[2016-12-26 19:32:25] MrRGnome : I love the three jesus study - what happens when you take three people claiming to be jesus and lock them in an asylum together
[2016-12-26 19:32:45] ett1 : dunno
[2016-12-26 19:32:48] memes : its a historic text I'll see if I can find it
[2016-12-26 19:32:51] MrRGnome : Oh, but we do know!
[2016-12-26 19:33:12] MrRGnome : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Christs_of_Ypsilanti
[2016-12-26 19:33:25] NL007 : Because The Jews dont consider Jesus as a messiah and want to erase him
[2016-12-26 19:34:09] NL007 : They dont want to be reminded for what they did
[2016-12-26 19:35:25] ett1 : what did they do to the man who didnt exist?
[2016-12-26 19:35:36] ett1 : make up a different story?
[2016-12-26 19:37:01] memes : if jesus is real he'll make btc reach ATH tonight :P
[2016-12-26 19:37:26] javierstone : left for 5 mins and this escalated quickly
[2016-12-26 19:37:41] NL007 : javierstone: lol
[2016-12-26 19:37:46] ett1 : sorry guys
[2016-12-26 19:37:56] ett1 : markets kinda boring
[2016-12-26 19:38:00] NL007 : in crypto 5mins is like ages
[2016-12-26 19:38:11] memes : I want my gains naoowwww
[2016-12-26 19:39:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `LTC7D`: buy 50 @ 0.004840
[2016-12-26 19:39:49] justinlooking : api spells cancelled as canceled. is that a gimpy fix thing?
[2016-12-26 19:48:03] mjones : canceled is correctr
[2016-12-26 19:48:41] mjones : unless you are british
[2016-12-26 19:53:29] justinlooking : oh ;)
[2016-12-26 20:14:32] CaptainDean : I'm back !
[2016-12-26 20:14:41] CaptainDean : missed a shitload of action
[2016-12-26 20:15:15] CaptainDean : fuck ETH can substain BTC push. XMR tho is doing quite well (I'm impress)
[2016-12-26 20:17:15] MrRGnome : XMR is doing too well. Incoherently well.
[2016-12-26 20:17:42] CaptainDean : MrRGnome: yeah getting value when i was sure it would go down as BTC go up
[2016-12-26 20:18:03] MrRGnome : It isn't moving at all against btc despite btc rising, it has held and gained even.
[2016-12-26 20:18:11] CaptainDean : andi meant ETH CAN'T substain***
[2016-12-26 20:18:18] MrRGnome : Makes me think that just like with eth, there was some supply control going on
[2016-12-26 20:18:33] MrRGnome : ad major players were intentionally not dumping and limiting supply
[2016-12-26 20:18:48] narnarfromnarnia : lol my 100x position still open from last night
[2016-12-26 20:18:50] CaptainDean : MrRGnome: yeah it went to 0.10 .. even a bit lower and now 0.11
[2016-12-26 20:19:17] CaptainDean : might switch my GPU rig to XMR :P
[2016-12-26 20:19:19] CaptainDean : lol
[2016-12-26 20:24:23] mjones : if XMR can break 0.012 then it should pump to 0.015
[2016-12-26 20:25:54] mjones : bbands super tight
[2016-12-26 20:28:10] kryptopojken : guys why does my margin on my XBTUSD swap position go up and down randomly?
[2016-12-26 20:28:40] kryptopojken : my collateral BTC of the position changes too
[2016-12-26 20:29:48] narnarfromnarnia : kryptopojken: because the price changes and your equity
[2016-12-26 20:30:04] kryptopojken : it doesn't make sense though
[2016-12-26 20:30:13] narnarfromnarnia : pls dump back to 890
[2016-12-26 20:30:19] kryptopojken : i dont want it to add margin automatically
[2016-12-26 20:30:26] narnarfromnarnia : it doesn't
[2016-12-26 20:30:36] narnarfromnarnia : it just increases or decreases
[2016-12-26 20:30:50] kryptopojken : yes but why cant it be constant?
[2016-12-26 20:31:01] kryptopojken : just went from 1.7btc to 1.85btc
[2016-12-26 20:32:37] halloz : kryptopojken: It's due to the mark price https://www.bitmex.com/app/faq#What-is-the-Mark-Price
[2016-12-26 20:33:16] odieoh : The BTC you are using as collateral fluctuates in price, meaning the % margin you have fluctuates a bit with that.
[2016-12-26 20:33:22] kryptopojken : ahh
[2016-12-26 20:33:25] kryptopojken : makes sense
[2016-12-26 20:33:26] kryptopojken : thanks
[2016-12-26 20:34:01] kryptopojken : so if im short, as btc price goes down it will require more collateral from me because btc is worth les
[2016-12-26 20:34:02] kryptopojken : s
[2016-12-26 20:34:07] odieoh : yup
[2016-12-26 20:34:18] kryptopojken : thx guys
[2016-12-26 20:34:54] sleger : You can fix it by not using cross margin though
[2016-12-26 20:34:56] odieoh : which is exactly why BTC bubbles pop pretty hard when they pop- people are using BTC as collateral, and when the price drops a lot, the effect is compounded by both the actual drop, as well as the drop in their collateral value
[2016-12-26 20:35:12] odieoh : =margin calls galore
[2016-12-26 20:35:28] kryptopojken : yeah makes for great volatility
[2016-12-26 20:37:49] rms : so... do we pump today when beijing wakes up or tomorrow when USD hits US banks?
[2016-12-26 20:38:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `WINZ16`: sell 416 @ 0.001701
[2016-12-26 20:43:10] halloz : I want a 100$ move so badly right now zzzz
[2016-12-26 20:46:44] rms : i think tomorrow's probably actually the day
[2016-12-26 20:46:46] rms : but i'm still ready for it
[2016-12-26 20:53:40] mjones : people bailing on their WIN long before settlement
[2016-12-26 20:54:33] rms : it's still not traded, right?
[2016-12-26 20:54:42] rms : so won't it settle at the value of etc? .00146 ?
[2016-12-26 20:54:45] mjones : right
[2016-12-26 20:55:05] rms : i should've held my first day shorts of it, i got scared and bailed
[2016-12-26 20:55:11] mjones : 0.00146 is just the limit it cant trade below right now
[2016-12-26 20:55:12] rms : when there was no market maker
[2016-12-26 21:11:42] odieoh : REP is really taking off
[2016-12-26 21:17:57] MikeHunt : i always seem to miss the pumps
[2016-12-26 21:18:15] MikeHunt : whats best time to be up and staring at the computer between?
[2016-12-26 21:18:47] halloz : Whenever china is awake
[2016-12-26 21:18:58] halloz : 9am Beijing time
[2016-12-26 21:19:36] MikeHunt : so pretty much 9-5 china time?
[2016-12-26 21:19:43] narnarfromnarnia : come on dump
[2016-12-26 21:20:14] halloz : yeah :)
[2016-12-26 21:24:24] narnarfromnarnia : halloz: i can't believe my 100x position stayed open all through the night
[2016-12-26 21:24:34] narnarfromnarnia : this is great i thought i had to go wrangle up another deposit
[2016-12-26 21:24:41] narnarfromnarnia : still in the game
[2016-12-26 21:25:03] halloz : That same long or did you short it?
[2016-12-26 21:25:50] Tr : how can china have so much volume
[2016-12-26 21:25:55] halloz : Hopefully this will move soon - Im betting up
[2016-12-26 21:25:58] Tr : trading 1k btc per minute on 1 exchange, i dont get it
[2016-12-26 21:26:04] halloz : Miners
[2016-12-26 21:26:35] MikeHunt : well china is falling to bits
[2016-12-26 21:26:42] MikeHunt : its like china is the titanic
[2016-12-26 21:26:48] MikeHunt : bitcoin is the lifeboat
[2016-12-26 21:27:17] MikeHunt : i suspect the major cash is from embezzlement
[2016-12-26 21:27:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 80 @ 6776.9
[2016-12-26 21:28:46] Tr : cant really believe that volume
[2016-12-26 21:28:49] Tr : doesnt look human
[2016-12-26 21:29:42] mjones : because it's bots
[2016-12-26 21:29:46] MikeHunt : a lot of cash in china comes from bad loans
[2016-12-26 21:29:53] halloz : holy shit china is actually going for it
[2016-12-26 21:29:57] mjones : china hitting upper resistance
[2016-12-26 21:30:57] mjones : got about 5 hours till liftoff http://i.imgur.com/Sj5tebE.png
[2016-12-26 21:31:42] Tr : these triangles never work
[2016-12-26 21:32:11] mjones : we'll see O_O
[2016-12-26 21:32:25] MikeHunt : well looking at 1 day chart, we could see 7000
[2016-12-26 21:32:30] MikeHunt : yuan
[2016-12-26 21:32:31] Tr : if 1 works it wouldnt mean anything
[2016-12-26 21:32:53] MikeHunt : on its own the triangle dont mean much
[2016-12-26 21:32:56] MikeHunt : its just a factor
[2016-12-26 21:32:56] mjones : it'd mean i was right
[2016-12-26 21:35:44] MikeHunt : so whats ur positions tonight guys, pump or dump?
[2016-12-26 21:36:01] Naloxone : MikeHunt: dump
[2016-12-26 21:36:05] halloz : Im on pump
[2016-12-26 21:36:21] mjones : 600,000 new xbth17 contracts in last 72 hours
[2016-12-26 21:37:47] Tr : time for some exchange to be hacked
[2016-12-26 21:37:54] Tr : need some news to spice up the action
[2016-12-26 21:44:48] kryptopojken : as long as it's not bitmex
[2016-12-26 21:48:07] MikeHunt : bitfinex probably
[2016-12-26 21:48:18] MikeHunt : they are probably the least reliable exchange
[2016-12-26 21:48:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `WINZ16`: sell 4501 @ 0.001606
[2016-12-26 21:48:27] MikeHunt : like mtgox was before the theft
[2016-12-26 21:49:35] Bogdan : Feels like it would be a painful night for some bulls
[2016-12-26 21:49:36] wellerchang : 6500 needs to die ahorrible death
[2016-12-26 21:50:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `WINZ16`: sell 2000 @ 0.001501
[2016-12-26 21:51:00] mjones : people dont like the WIN outlook
[2016-12-26 21:51:42] Naloxone : WINZ16, why people even trade this crap? it's pure gambling
[2016-12-26 21:52:26] halloz : lol
[2016-12-26 21:52:57] Tr : China pumping!
[2016-12-26 21:52:57] Tr : long here
[2016-12-26 21:53:03] mjones : btc dumping like a madman
[2016-12-26 21:53:13] MikeHunt : yup
[2016-12-26 21:53:22] mjones : close your long now. reopen higher
[2016-12-26 21:53:23] Tr : what do you mean
[2016-12-26 21:53:38] Tr : why would i not long
[2016-12-26 21:53:44] Tr : since 1000$ confirmed minimum price
[2016-12-26 21:54:06] mjones : because it could go down and margin call you before going up to 1000 minimum price
[2016-12-26 21:55:21] Tr : how can it go down
[2016-12-26 21:55:26] Tr : its confirmed up
[2016-12-26 21:55:38] mjones : bot gone wild
[2016-12-26 21:55:41] mjones : fat finger
[2016-12-26 21:58:33] wellerchang : ABSOLUTE INSANITY
[2016-12-26 21:59:20] wellerchang : BULLS MUST BE CRUSHED
[2016-12-26 22:00:37] Tr : dont worry
[2016-12-26 22:00:46] Tr : Chinese bots will insta buy any move down
[2016-12-26 22:00:49] Tr : to save the price
[2016-12-26 22:01:02] Tr : the huge green candle... right about now
[2016-12-26 22:01:17] Tr : "real buyers"
[2016-12-26 22:01:19] Tr : will show up
[2016-12-26 22:01:23] Tr : aka China bots
[2016-12-26 22:01:27] Naloxone : Death to Bulls!
[2016-12-26 22:01:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: sell 1111 @ 906.75
[2016-12-26 22:01:32] halloz : Im out buying lower
[2016-12-26 22:01:45] Nerve : The last 2 days i'm in red line position....its time for a diferent color...like a bEautiful GREEN
[2016-12-26 22:02:17] Tr : long here
[2016-12-26 22:02:28] Tr : bots about to buy with fake money
[2016-12-26 22:02:31] Tr : on chinese exchanges
[2016-12-26 22:02:32] Tr : np
[2016-12-26 22:02:49] Nerve : realy ?
[2016-12-26 22:02:57] Tr : See
[2016-12-26 22:02:59] Tr : already stopped
[2016-12-26 22:03:02] Tr : its a huge ponzi
[2016-12-26 22:03:12] Tr : real markets dont act that way
[2016-12-26 22:03:18] CaptainDean : we are not done yet
[2016-12-26 22:03:24] Tr : no people see that move and see "maybe i should market buy 300 btc here"
[2016-12-26 22:03:32] Tr : yet its happening on chinese exchange
[2016-12-26 22:03:40] Tr : fake as f
[2016-12-26 22:04:22] Nerve : Maybe...
[2016-12-26 22:04:32] mjones : china bots are being overpowered
[2016-12-26 22:04:35] wellerchang : I DO THAT EVERYDAY
[2016-12-26 22:04:40] wellerchang : 300BTC MARKET BUY ALL DAY
[2016-12-26 22:04:45] Tr : :D
[2016-12-26 22:04:50] mjones : must be running low on that unlimited money
[2016-12-26 22:04:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 1 @ 0.004810
[2016-12-26 22:05:12] mjones : time to cut my losses and short to make it back
[2016-12-26 22:05:23] CaptainDean : mjones: going short ?
[2016-12-26 22:05:31] bingbongfly : btc down to 5 dollar tommorow,
[2016-12-26 22:05:45] mjones : lol no. i'm gonna hold my long from $917 for a bit longer
[2016-12-26 22:06:11] Tr : China bots buying up
[2016-12-26 22:06:12] mjones : only up 319% now
[2016-12-26 22:06:14] Tr : no problem
[2016-12-26 22:07:00] mariomarco : falling
[2016-12-26 22:07:29] Tr : Breaking out of a triangle? I think i will buy 100 btc right here (c) legit chinese buyer
[2016-12-26 22:07:31] mjones : if 6400 cny breaks then i might worry
[2016-12-26 22:08:00] wellerchang : EVERYTHING DOWN TO AT LEAST 6100 NEEDS TO BREAK
[2016-12-26 22:08:16] rapidtrades : weller chang shut the hell up
[2016-12-26 22:08:23] Tr : notice how other exchanges know that China is full of shit
[2016-12-26 22:08:32] Tr : bitstamp was 900$ whole day
[2016-12-26 22:08:43] Tr : while China moving around with fake money
[2016-12-26 22:10:16] mjones : china all fluff. no substance
[2016-12-26 22:10:23] Tr : another bottom again
[2016-12-26 22:10:28] Tr : ppl buying 100 btc per second
[2016-12-26 22:10:30] Tr : seems legit man
[2016-12-26 22:10:44] dodic : lol... china all fluff... accounts for majority of bitcoin volume
[2016-12-26 22:10:50] dodic : solid logic
[2016-12-26 22:11:03] Tr : considering that OKcoin faked volume to pump LTC
[2016-12-26 22:11:11] Tr : i wouldnt trust china very much
[2016-12-26 22:11:52] Tr : remember when near ATH
[2016-12-26 22:11:58] Tr : exchanges moved to around 950$
[2016-12-26 22:12:04] Tr : and MTgox was still pumping 1200+
[2016-12-26 22:12:09] Tr : same shit here
[2016-12-26 22:13:05] wellerchang : IM GOING TO KILL MYSELF
[2016-12-26 22:13:07] mjones : Tr china has been doing this since 1500 CNY. i always wondered how they could do it then and all the way up to 6500 CNY nonstop for years and still have BTC left
[2016-12-26 22:13:37] Tr : just opened their order history
[2016-12-26 22:13:45] mjones : good job people who dumped at 961 on xbth17. better buy back in at 967 before you miss the rocket launch to ath
[2016-12-26 22:13:46] Tr : 450 btc market buy last second
[2016-12-26 22:13:50] Tr : another 50
[2016-12-26 22:13:53] Tr : another 85
[2016-12-26 22:13:55] Tr : lmao
[2016-12-26 22:13:57] Tr : ye, ok
[2016-12-26 22:14:10] Nerve : Tr: so what is your prediction for 2morrow ?
[2016-12-26 22:14:26] mjones : something is fishy with China having OKCoin, Huobi and BTCC. They all a front for some shady shit
[2016-12-26 22:14:26] Tr : not going to predict the fake manipulated market
[2016-12-26 22:15:00] Nerve : Tr: ok, how you will play ?
[2016-12-26 22:15:11] mjones : no matter the price 0kcoin will put up a 1000-2000 btc wall near the price
[2016-12-26 22:15:23] Tr : i am not playing when its rigged
[2016-12-26 22:15:44] narnarfromnarnia : mjones: triads
[2016-12-26 22:15:52] narnarfromnarnia : casino guys
[2016-12-26 22:15:56] narnarfromnarnia : all money l
[2016-12-26 22:15:58] narnarfromnarnia : im sure
[2016-12-26 22:16:12] rapidtrades : whenever we go down it's always manipulation from China...when we go up its Chinese using bitcoin to evade capital controls
[2016-12-26 22:16:34] rapidtrades : or poor illiterate Indians who have just discovered bitcoin
[2016-12-26 22:16:41] Tr : you dont need manipulation to go down with artificially pumped price
[2016-12-26 22:17:33] Tr : Yeah i am not buying this narrative that btc reddit and forums trying to push, that price going up becomes Joe Schmo wiring money to buy BTC because its cool
[2016-12-26 22:18:07] mjones : 0kcoin using 5x leverage to pump the price 5x higher
[2016-12-26 22:18:58] Yuppie : Quick question: why do some trades carry a negative fee? I just got paid for a trade...
[2016-12-26 22:19:22] mjones : there goes XMR
[2016-12-26 22:19:55] mariomarco : Tr: +1 THIS
[2016-12-26 22:19:57] mjones : excluding bitfinex pump it has been 40 days since XMR has been this high
[2016-12-26 22:19:59] rapidtrades : Yuppie: u get paid if u have an order resting on the orderbook and smone fills it
[2016-12-26 22:20:39] Yuppie : Really? And I pay for market? Shouldn't it be the reverse?
[2016-12-26 22:20:56] rapidtrades : no?
[2016-12-26 22:21:00] mjones : if everyone got paid to market buy then who would put orders on the orderbook
[2016-12-26 22:21:21] Naloxone : It's should crash. This pump looks ridiculously manipulated
[2016-12-26 22:22:01] mjones : all right Naloxone. dumping my btc long to long xmr
[2016-12-26 22:22:05] Yuppie : Alright...good to know for the future...
[2016-12-26 22:22:22] mjones : all in short the overbought btc
[2016-12-26 22:22:38] Naloxone : mjones: Good idea. I did it on Friday
[2016-12-26 22:22:38] mjones : everyone longed the bulltrap and gonna get rekt
[2016-12-26 22:23:21] rapidtrades : Rado: how's ur bot doing?
[2016-12-26 22:23:50] mjones : i think the dump will wait for the next daily candle in 97 minutes
[2016-12-26 22:28:55] narnarfromnarnia : mjones: could be a spike up though to play
[2016-12-26 22:29:07] rapidtrades : not gonna lie, $8 premium for 3.5 days is mighty stupid
[2016-12-26 22:29:08] narnarfromnarnia : i hope we see 890 before 910 is all
[2016-12-26 22:30:30] rapidtrades : for the mathematically challenged, that's 92% annualized
[2016-12-26 22:30:51] halloz : It amazes me we've been up here for this long
[2016-12-26 22:30:51] mjones : yeah i'm surprised too. first it was under a lot and now over a lot
[2016-12-26 22:30:55] mjones : a lot of dumb money on here
[2016-12-26 22:32:27] wellerchang : where to see short/long funding rates?
[2016-12-26 22:33:47] rapidtrades : <<<<<<^^^^^^^^^^^^
[2016-12-26 22:34:25] BitMEX_Greg : wellerchang: At the top of the page next to "Funding" and also in the contract details on the left hand side
[2016-12-26 22:34:40] Naloxone : wellerchang: https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBTUSD
[2016-12-26 22:34:42] BitMEX_Greg : Information here also: https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBTUSD
[2016-12-26 22:34:54] BitMEX_Greg : And past rates can be viewed here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory
[2016-12-26 22:35:27] wellerchang : thanks, a little hard to find + vs - on the top, but shows in the contract spec,
[2016-12-26 22:35:57] rapidtrades : yeah UI design is pretty terrible
[2016-12-26 22:36:12] wellerchang : i like UI
[2016-12-26 22:36:24] rapidtrades : YOU WEREN'T HERE WHEN IT WAS BETTER
[2016-12-26 22:36:31] MikeHunt : BitMEX_Greg: can a leverage wipe your balance?
[2016-12-26 22:37:05] wellerchang : WHAT IF I WAS HERE SINCE BEGINNING OF TIME?
[2016-12-26 22:37:22] rapidtrades : Then I would've know ur name f*cker
[2016-12-26 22:37:35] wellerchang : I AM SATASHIS
[2016-12-26 22:38:57] BitMEX_Greg : MikeHunt: How do you mean?
[2016-12-26 22:39:00] wellerchang : @bitmex greg you should put +/- for long/short on the top section for funding
[2016-12-26 22:39:54] halloz : Can an all in on black jack get you broke? trololo
[2016-12-26 22:40:37] BitMEX_Greg : wellerchang: If it doesn't have a sign then it is positive. It will show - in front if it is a negative rate
[2016-12-26 22:41:09] wellerchang : nice, ok!
[2016-12-26 22:42:45] mariomarco : DIIIIP