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[2016-12-26 14:34:46] l3f : nty
[2016-12-26 14:36:09] shery : l3f: no liquidation in quatarly
[2016-12-26 14:36:21] l3f : shery: there sure is
[2016-12-26 14:37:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 302 @ 0.007990
[2016-12-26 14:37:44] l3f : anyways
[2016-12-26 14:37:46] l3f : remember that it'll be 1k sonn
[2016-12-26 14:37:54] l3f : so if you enter
[2016-12-26 14:38:03] l3f : and can hold the position
[2016-12-26 14:38:13] l3f : you might get emotionally crushed
[2016-12-26 14:38:16] l3f : but you won't lose
[2016-12-26 14:38:38] shery : l3f: agree +1
[2016-12-26 14:39:18] ett1 : l3f: whats crushing
[2016-12-26 14:39:43] shery : ett1: depressed
[2016-12-26 14:40:16] shery : are we lagging or china is lagging
[2016-12-26 14:40:22] ett1 : no, whay would be emotionally depressing about holding that position
[2016-12-26 14:41:00] shery : ett1: what if you have a position at 910 and price reaches 862 , will you be enjoying that?
[2016-12-26 14:41:20] ett1 : yes thats fine
[2016-12-26 14:41:31] ett1 : i just held from 920 to 860
[2016-12-26 14:41:51] shery : ett1: well that needs a lot of faith
[2016-12-26 14:42:17] ett1 : faith is the key
[2016-12-26 14:42:43] shery : ett1: faith could someone time hurt you once it is broken
[2016-12-26 14:43:04] ett1 : i have faith we are going to ATH, clearly others dont if the market is still this cheap
[2016-12-26 14:43:33] ett1 : i wanted to add at 860 but couldnt take more risk
[2016-12-26 14:43:36] esuvari : 102000 buys on xbtz16??
[2016-12-26 14:43:44] ett1 : even though i belive it was going to rebound
[2016-12-26 14:43:46] ett1 : its a balance
[2016-12-26 14:44:25] shery : how much is the fees for xbt 16??
[2016-12-26 14:45:37] esuvari : same as others. 0.075 taker, -0.025 maker, 0.05 settlement
[2016-12-26 14:46:09] shery : esuvari: I mean is there any funding fees etc?
[2016-12-26 14:46:17] esuvari : nope
[2016-12-26 14:46:24] esuvari : funding fees are only for swap contracts
[2016-12-26 14:46:31] ett1 : nope, just settlement & trading fee
[2016-12-26 14:46:35] esuvari : which is the bitcoin perpetual swap
[2016-12-26 14:47:07] shery : esuvari: so xbt16 seems to better if we wanna avoid funding right?
[2016-12-26 14:47:22] esuvari : yes. but mind you, it ends this friday
[2016-12-26 14:47:39] shery : esuvari: friday is away
[2016-12-26 14:47:40] ett1 : ye but watch out if its trading at a high premium over spot
[2016-12-26 14:47:42] esuvari : so if you're looking for something more long lasting, you might wanna check the quarterlies
[2016-12-26 14:47:55] ett1 : it converges with XBTUSD by end of month
[2016-12-26 14:48:13] shery : esuvari: no fnding fees or that too?
[2016-12-26 14:48:27] shery : but i thnk more people are in swap whats the reason
[2016-12-26 14:48:29] esuvari : at some point last weekend, xbtz16 fell under the spot even
[2016-12-26 14:48:35] ett1 : no, but funding fees can go negative in a bear market
[2016-12-26 14:48:53] ett1 : they are hirting your long right now, but if the market falls youll likley get some rebate
[2016-12-26 14:49:14] esuvari : @shery, no funding fees for that either. but price is just too damn expensive at the moment. and liquidity is low
[2016-12-26 14:49:14] shery : esuvari: so i xbt16 is manipulated right?
[2016-12-26 14:49:27] ett1 : right now futures is above spot, but it floats. it can go below for example
[2016-12-26 14:49:54] shery : ett1: so only sot shows correct price
[2016-12-26 14:49:56] ett1 : so spot could be up 1% and futures down 2%. unlikely but possible
[2016-12-26 14:50:00] esuvari : @shery what do you mean? btc market in general is manipulated if you look at it like that
[2016-12-26 14:50:24] ett1 : shery: only spot will be comparable to other exchanges
[2016-12-26 14:50:41] ett1 : the moves in futures will be about the same
[2016-12-26 14:50:46] shery : esuvari: No, but xt 16 was only1 4 aheda than market yesterday today it is quite above so may be somone manipulated
[2016-12-26 14:51:07] ett1 : if spot is up 1% futures should be up 1% (ever so slightly less because of premium decay)
[2016-12-26 14:51:14] ett1 : ni in theory
[2016-12-26 14:51:34] esuvari : it's all about expectations. price reflects the prediction what the spot price will be on the day of settlement.
[2016-12-26 14:51:36] ett1 : the premium is effectively the interest rate for borrowing
[2016-12-26 14:51:52] esuvari : so in a bull market futures prices tend to be above the spot price
[2016-12-26 14:52:02] mjones : btc working its way back up
[2016-12-26 14:52:25] shery : esuvari: its above now as well
[2016-12-26 14:52:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 9560 @ 968.70
[2016-12-26 14:52:56] mjones : rofl 3,236,511 open contracts on xbth17
[2016-12-26 14:53:01] esuvari : that means people think price will be higher than now on friday
[2016-12-26 14:53:18] ett1 : shery: ye thats what im saying. no funding fees to pay, but it could dip back to lower levels
[2016-12-26 14:53:42] shery : ett1: ah i got it now
[2016-12-26 14:53:51] ett1 : not manipulation, just more buying send the premium higher
[2016-12-26 14:54:05] shery : but it is better to play with xbt17 when market is bullish, that would avoid feeses too righ?
[2016-12-26 14:54:05] ett1 : it was at a discount when things were falling earlier
[2016-12-26 14:54:27] ett1 : and funding was negative - paying longs
[2016-12-26 14:54:54] ett1 : on swaps
[2016-12-26 14:55:54] aethlios : next leg quarterlies above 1000???
[2016-12-26 14:59:23] aethlios : still quarterlies very cheap. okcoin 4.62% above index and bitmex 7.07%
[2016-12-26 14:59:54] mjones : once the old quarterly closes that money will come to march 31
[2016-12-26 15:02:43] l3f : mfl
[2016-12-26 15:02:44] l3f : fml*
[2016-12-26 15:03:04] aethlios : you can create a 3month synthetic usd deposit for 7%, with 250,000 capital go holidays for 3 month and earn doing nothing 17,500 usd.
[2016-12-26 15:03:14] l3f : I had 140k @ 885 on XBTUSD and 150k @ 920 on H17 that got stop lossed out yesterday
[2016-12-26 15:03:16] l3f : well done sleger
[2016-12-26 15:03:18] l3f : got me good
[2016-12-26 15:03:27] l3f : motherfucker
[2016-12-26 15:03:57] ett1 : aethlios: you think the premium is expensive & will fall?
[2016-12-26 15:04:00] l3f : and I was at the xmas party so I couldn't buy back in
[2016-12-26 15:04:05] l3f : epic fail
[2016-12-26 15:04:17] Angelika : l3f: if you were in at 920 how did you get stopped out?
[2016-12-26 15:04:23] ett1 : or go higher than 7%
[2016-12-26 15:04:40] l3f : Angelika: I had huge buy ordered placed low
[2016-12-26 15:04:58] aethlios : ett1: here is more expensive, okcoin is cheaper, as long the trend holds up it will keep steady or increase, but have to get out before the correction.
[2016-12-26 15:04:59] l3f : but it was dumping hard
[2016-12-26 15:05:03] l3f : and I had to leave
[2016-12-26 15:05:07] l3f : so I was like fucked it let it go
[2016-12-26 15:05:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2600 @ 903.77
[2016-12-26 15:05:24] shery : lol why market moving opposite
[2016-12-26 15:05:47] aethlios : spread went 42 when we dumped to 860 and then spiked 81 and now 70.
[2016-12-26 15:05:47] l3f : we'll test 900 again
[2016-12-26 15:06:06] l3f : 890*
[2016-12-26 15:06:07] l3f : https://www.tradingview.com/x/RprSRz1M/
[2016-12-26 15:06:22] ett1 : is there a historical chart for premium rate
[2016-12-26 15:06:34] l3f : rectangle is my buy/support zone
[2016-12-26 15:06:38] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/2QN98WBZ/
[2016-12-26 15:06:40] ett1 : is there a histrical chart
[2016-12-26 15:07:01] aethlios : spread quarterly above swap
[2016-12-26 15:07:33] l3f : they somebody went stupid on the quaterlies
[2016-12-26 15:07:39] l3f : and because there's no liqudity
[2016-12-26 15:07:42] l3f : they entered at the moon
[2016-12-26 15:07:52] ett1 : thanks i did that but dont have TV premium so only daily candles
[2016-12-26 15:08:01] ett1 : does bitmex provide an index
[2016-12-26 15:08:32] ett1 : l3f: ye i want to buy but 8% seems stupid
[2016-12-26 15:08:44] ett1 : yesterday was 5% so thats a lot to fall if it comes back
[2016-12-26 15:09:12] aethlios : when quarterly spikes sell your position and move to swap, when btc corrects and spread shrinks, then close swap and get back to quarterly. this way you are long but reduce the entry basis. Do i have to tell you all the secrets???
[2016-12-26 15:09:26] mjones : xbth17 up $64 higher but also 500,000 more contracts
[2016-12-26 15:10:05] ett1 : aethlios: thats what im trying to do
[2016-12-26 15:10:27] shery : pump
[2016-12-26 15:10:28] ett1 : now it seem sbetter to hold my swap
[2016-12-26 15:10:38] shery : 6485
[2016-12-26 15:11:18] aethlios : also add some TA, if we move 1000, spread will spike to 100, then if we dump will go down to 50.
[2016-12-26 15:12:30] ett1 : ye ill keep an eye. maybe a trend
[2016-12-26 15:13:13] aethlios : and usually a bottom reached when massive liquidations happened, after margin called all longs and bought their positions in discount, whales don't have incentive to push lower. then retrace starts.
[2016-12-26 15:13:32] shery : huobi 6497
[2016-12-26 15:13:57] ett1 : the move to 860 would have been good timing. ill look to do it the next dip
[2016-12-26 15:16:01] l3f : 890 imho is very possible
[2016-12-26 15:16:06] l3f : just bouncing off the top of the triangle
[2016-12-26 15:16:22] l3f : 860 is if the triangle failed completedly
[2016-12-26 15:16:59] ett1 : could be a long sideways move
[2016-12-26 15:17:01] ett1 : lets hope not
[2016-12-26 15:17:03] ett1 : lol
[2016-12-26 15:35:10] happy : this is going down? or up
[2016-12-26 15:37:06] Mike17 : Up
[2016-12-26 15:41:33] javierstone : def up
[2016-12-26 15:52:18] shery : what a order ,
[2016-12-26 15:52:56] happy : wow
[2016-12-26 15:53:02] happy : 90k
[2016-12-26 15:53:57] SkywalkerMcfly : anyone have trouble wth their chart not showing up?
[2016-12-26 15:54:06] shery : SkywalkerMcfly: no
[2016-12-26 16:00:02] happy : to the moonn
[2016-12-26 16:09:41] thomaskikansha : BLOOM
[2016-12-26 16:16:28] PARAFFIN : FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[2016-12-26 16:16:45] ett1 : is bearstmp down
[2016-12-26 16:16:49] ett1 : price not moving there
[2016-12-26 16:19:18] thomaskikansha : China wants new high
[2016-12-26 16:20:20] PARAFFIN : what is realised PNL ?
[2016-12-26 16:20:34] PARAFFIN : vs unrealised PNL ?
[2016-12-26 16:20:52] ett1 : realised is the funding fees that have been paid so far
[2016-12-26 16:21:04] ett1 : unrealised is your profit or loss (e
[2016-12-26 16:22:22] ett1 : futures has no funding f si what is my realised PNL there?
[2016-12-26 16:22:39] ett1 : im a bit confused by this
[2016-12-26 16:23:13] ett1 : oh futures updates my PnL daily?
[2016-12-26 16:24:06] sleger : no
[2016-12-26 16:24:09] sleger : other fees
[2016-12-26 16:24:25] ett1 : mines positive
[2016-12-26 16:25:00] ett1 : what fees. i though its only premium & expiration
[2016-12-26 16:25:14] ett1 : how do i have a positive realised PnL for futures
[2016-12-26 16:25:55] sleger : trading fees suh
[2016-12-26 16:25:57] sleger : *duh
[2016-12-26 16:26:11] ett1 : i got paid trading fees?
[2016-12-26 16:27:00] sleger : so you trade here but you have no idea what fees are ?
[2016-12-26 16:27:18] sleger : somewhere a village is missing its idiot
[2016-12-26 16:27:30] ett1 : i know i pay 0.0175 for taking
[2016-12-26 16:28:00] ett1 : or whatever, and pay less fees for providing
[2016-12-26 16:28:20] ett1 : but i have earned something on futtues realised PnL
[2016-12-26 16:28:21] l3f : sleger: can you lend china some firepower?
[2016-12-26 16:28:29] ett1 : its a positive number
[2016-12-26 16:29:45] ett1 : i think i lose braincells chatting to you. you can never just spell it out
[2016-12-26 16:30:24] Bacon futures trader : lol #cryptodrama
[2016-12-26 16:30:32] lockhedge : ett1: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2016-12-26 16:31:08] ett1 : oh i earned fees as a maker thanks
[2016-12-26 16:31:17] ett1 : could have said
[2016-12-26 16:31:21] sleger : could have
[2016-12-26 16:31:23] sleger : dummy
[2016-12-26 16:31:30] sleger : could have searched it too
[2016-12-26 16:33:27] l3f : how did sleger celebrate the birth of jesus?
[2016-12-26 16:33:34] l3f : how do jewish traditions differ?
[2016-12-26 16:33:52] ett1 : could tell he was jewish
[2016-12-26 16:35:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 10 @ 0.007870
[2016-12-26 16:39:05] shery : roe 95 5 looking n
[2016-12-26 16:39:29] shery : l3f: thanks for raising my confidence at 893 bout 40 xbt
[2016-12-26 16:40:02] shery : %*
[2016-12-26 16:40:05] l3f : might go back to 890 if it fails to break out
[2016-12-26 16:40:20] l3f : (bounce) on 890
[2016-12-26 16:40:51] shery : l3f: 6530 seems to be difficult
[2016-12-26 16:42:04] lockhedge : ett1: there seems to be a strong positive correlation between antisemtism and stupidity
[2016-12-26 16:42:51] ett1 : im having fun, if i knew he was fat i'd slag him for that
[2016-12-26 16:50:52] paniktrade : lockhedge: what about smartness and anti islam?
[2016-12-26 16:51:01] paniktrade : i think those are highly correlated
[2016-12-26 16:51:24] elmorte : paniktrade: you didn't specify direction
[2016-12-26 16:51:41] paniktrade : the smarter u are the more u hate islam
[2016-12-26 16:51:48] paniktrade : and every other religion actually
[2016-12-26 16:51:51] paniktrade : but mostly islam
[2016-12-26 16:52:21] shery : paniktrade: Thay was quite extremistic
[2016-12-26 16:52:30] paniktrade : not really
[2016-12-26 16:52:40] lockhedge : never met an intelligent racist
[2016-12-26 16:52:46] paniktrade : lmao
[2016-12-26 16:52:50] paniktrade : religion isnt a race
[2016-12-26 16:52:52] paniktrade : dumbass
[2016-12-26 16:52:54] ett1 : religion is trash. low-brow interest
[2016-12-26 16:53:04] elmorte : race to heaven
[2016-12-26 16:53:17] paniktrade : sigh everytime i get called a racist for hating on islam a kitten dies
[2016-12-26 16:53:51] paniktrade : anyways im done bashing just had to let u guys knw
[2016-12-26 16:54:00] NL007 : It just how you sell your view
[2016-12-26 16:54:11] paniktrade : ett1: i completely agree
[2016-12-26 16:54:17] ett1 : i think he hates religion, not muslims
[2016-12-26 16:54:28] ett1 : big diff
[2016-12-26 16:54:34] paniktrade : exactly thanks
[2016-12-26 16:54:50] paniktrade : its like i really dont like coffee for example
[2016-12-26 16:54:55] paniktrade : but i dont hate people that drink it
[2016-12-26 16:55:00] NL007 : We in the west have bombed the crap out of some nations
[2016-12-26 16:55:02] elmorte : I thought you were gonna stfu
[2016-12-26 16:55:18] paniktrade : ok sry ill stfu now
[2016-12-26 16:55:27] ett1 : NL007: who finances & manufactures these wars
[2016-12-26 16:55:35] NL007 : We just call it bringing democracy
[2016-12-26 16:55:50] NL007 : Sounds good
[2016-12-26 16:55:56] ett1 : the religious extremists
[2016-12-26 16:56:10] ett1 : and the US welcomes them
[2016-12-26 16:56:26] ett1 : freedom of religion and all that
[2016-12-26 16:57:34] emirate : what is the best platform to trade
[2016-12-26 16:57:47] elmorte : emirate: bitfinex
[2016-12-26 16:57:48] ett1 : youve found it i think
[2016-12-26 16:57:58] ett1 : not bitfinex. theyre crooks
[2016-12-26 16:57:58] sleger : emirate: singapore airline
[2016-12-26 16:58:22] elmorte : sleger: that was 2015
[2016-12-26 16:58:46] emirate : why crooks
[2016-12-26 16:58:50] ett1 : what do you guys do when youve got a long flight
[2016-12-26 16:59:03] ett1 : emirate: the hack was an inside job. bitmex did a good article on it
[2016-12-26 16:59:48] emirate : how singore airline
[2016-12-26 16:59:50] ett1 : theyll steal your money again. if btc rallies it would be a good time for them
[2016-12-26 17:00:12] emirate : i need a good site
[2016-12-26 17:01:26] ett1 : emirate: whats wrong with bitmex
[2016-12-26 17:02:33] rapidtrades : guys why is the default now chinese site? not cool
[2016-12-26 17:02:49] rapidtrades : there's like 2 chinese ppl here
[2016-12-26 17:03:02] Rado : I noticed this as well
[2016-12-26 17:03:03] elmorte : rapidtrades: haha, they're just fcking with you
[2016-12-26 17:03:06] Rado : I think it's a bug
[2016-12-26 17:03:15] ett1 : distancing themselves from the west
[2016-12-26 17:03:42] Rado : not detecting the default local properly
[2016-12-26 17:03:57] emirate : bitnex is paying
[2016-12-26 17:04:16] elmorte : looks pretty English in my incognito window
[2016-12-26 17:04:29] Rado : elmorte: it doesn't happen every time
[2016-12-26 17:04:51] elmorte : maybe....1 in 5 times?
[2016-12-26 17:05:16] elmorte : Those are probably _the odds_
[2016-12-26 17:06:30] NL007 : any news on etcwin?
[2016-12-26 17:06:34] emirate : is bitmex paying
[2016-12-26 17:06:49] ett1 : emirate: what do you mean paying? this isnt some HYIP
[2016-12-26 17:07:22] emirate : yes
[2016-12-26 17:07:32] ett1 : you make no snese
[2016-12-26 17:07:34] emirate : u trade here
[2016-12-26 17:07:37] ett1 : *sense
[2016-12-26 17:07:50] ett1 : yes i trade here
[2016-12-26 17:08:14] ett1 : 'paying' what do you mean
[2016-12-26 17:08:38] emirate : how much you trade
[2016-12-26 17:08:47] ett1 : huh
[2016-12-26 17:09:44] ett1 : imy balance changes
[2016-12-26 17:09:55] emirate : ok
[2016-12-26 17:10:16] ett1 : you are asking the wrong questions
[2016-12-26 17:10:38] emirate : can trade with 0.0005
[2016-12-26 17:10:58] ett1 : if you make winning trades, you can withdraw your profits. im not sure. theres no minimum but thats kind of small
[2016-12-26 17:11:13] ett1 : arnt transaction fees 0.0001 ?
[2016-12-26 17:11:21] ett1 : when you deposit or withdraw
[2016-12-26 17:11:27] ett1 : youll lose 40% right there lol
[2016-12-26 17:11:39] ett1 : and thats a pennies
[2016-12-26 17:11:50] ett1 : better to play on the testnet
[2016-12-26 17:15:40] emirate : how can i make a wining trade here
[2016-12-26 17:15:54] memes : predict the future
[2016-12-26 17:15:54] memes : ez
[2016-12-26 17:16:19] ett1 : buy at a lower price then sell when it moves higher
[2016-12-26 17:16:21] ett1 : or vice versa
[2016-12-26 17:16:40] ett1 : play with the testnet first
[2016-12-26 17:17:01] ett1 : education is more important than playing with a tiny amount of btc
[2016-12-26 17:17:23] ett1 : You hve liek $0.50 cents
[2016-12-26 17:17:36] ett1 : buy some more
[2016-12-26 17:17:47] emirate : 1$
[2016-12-26 17:17:58] elmorte : whose alter ego is emirate?
[2016-12-26 17:18:02] memes : at least a lunch
[2016-12-26 17:18:22] ett1 : do you have a bank account, or card. better playing with $10 or $20
[2016-12-26 17:18:27] ett1 : or whatever you can
[2016-12-26 17:18:39] ett1 : but you sound very beginner. youll probably lose
[2016-12-26 17:18:51] emirate : yes
[2016-12-26 17:18:53] ett1 : need to practice with no money i think
[2016-12-26 17:19:03] ett1 : play with the testnet
[2016-12-26 17:19:14] ett1 : it will be valuable and youll have the same fun
[2016-12-26 17:19:15] emirate : i use wallet address
[2016-12-26 17:19:49] ett1 : how much do you think you can turn that $1 into
[2016-12-26 17:20:07] emirate : 2$ think
[2016-12-26 17:20:14] ett1 : whats the point
[2016-12-26 17:20:27] elmorte : 1$
[2016-12-26 17:20:31] ett1 : you want to buy something? dont spend it all in the one shop
[2016-12-26 17:21:20] emirate : what best contracts to use firstly
[2016-12-26 17:21:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: buy 50 @ 0.011262
[2016-12-26 17:21:34] ett1 : these no best
[2016-12-26 17:21:41] ett1 : you need to read a book or practice
[2016-12-26 17:21:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: sell 7184 @ 0.001162
[2016-12-26 17:21:55] ett1 : better things you can do if you want to earn $1
[2016-12-26 17:22:06] memes : you need capital
[2016-12-26 17:22:11] ett1 : maybe of you learn you can get a job in a bank one day
[2016-12-26 17:22:12] memes : work > aquire capital
[2016-12-26 17:22:17] memes : use capital to trade
[2016-12-26 17:22:17] ett1 : thats like 1,000,000x return
[2016-12-26 17:22:43] ett1 : not being some pleb with $0.50. you have money for internet atleast
[2016-12-26 17:23:06] halloz : hi everyone
[2016-12-26 17:24:04] halloz : looks like bitcoin is still goin strong
[2016-12-26 17:24:18] emirate : ETC7D best
[2016-12-26 17:24:51] emirate : bitcoin/yuan best to buy and sell later
[2016-12-26 17:24:55] ett1 : play on the testnet. thats my best advice
[2016-12-26 17:25:15] ett1 : see if you can turn 10 fake bitcoins into something more
[2016-12-26 17:27:17] ett1 : you can test you skill there. it uses the real prices
[2016-12-26 17:28:01] elmorte : emirate: dude, you're a natural
[2016-12-26 17:28:26] rapidtrades : https://testnet.bitmex.com/
[2016-12-26 17:28:48] ett1 : rapidtrades: thanks
[2016-12-26 17:29:06] ett1 : emirate: ^^^ youll like it
[2016-12-26 17:29:12] elmorte : fck that monopoly money bs...dude wants to make serious dough
[2016-12-26 17:29:34] ett1 : 0.50 is monopoly money
[2016-12-26 17:29:41] emirate : yea
[2016-12-26 17:39:45] Tr : short here for infinite leverage for infite gains
[2016-12-26 17:41:38] wellerchang : KILL IT WITH FIRE
[2016-12-26 17:41:55] Tr : China was traping noobs all along
[2016-12-26 17:42:13] laisee : how so?
[2016-12-26 17:42:20] wellerchang : ITS A MONSTROSITY
[2016-12-26 17:42:34] Tr : convienced everyone that imaginary digital money worth 900$ bucks
[2016-12-26 17:43:05] laisee : its worth 10,000 ... buy it cheep now
[2016-12-26 17:43:52] Tr : 10k toilet paper money maybe
[2016-12-26 17:44:05] wellerchang : YES DONT WAIT FOR DIP! KEEP BUYING!
[2016-12-26 17:44:14] Tr : BUY THE DIP
[2016-12-26 17:44:31] justinlooking : $10101
[2016-12-26 17:44:41] halloz : 905 CHEAP coin
[2016-12-26 17:44:44] justinlooking : for the trololols
[2016-12-26 17:44:45] laisee : how can we have dips if no-one sells?
[2016-12-26 17:44:51] Tr : 905?
[2016-12-26 17:45:03] halloz : $905
[2016-12-26 17:45:07] elmorte : That's like 21 bucks @justinlooking
[2016-12-26 17:45:41] Tr : Ok guys i think we reached the bottom
[2016-12-26 17:45:44] elmorte : miners have to sell to pay electricity
[2016-12-26 17:45:49] Tr : its only been 2 seconds of dumping but i am sure its the bottom
[2016-12-26 17:47:54] wellerchang : OF COURSE! AFTER 12 WEEKS OF HIGHER LOWS, ITS DEFINITLY THE BOTTOM
[2016-12-26 17:48:25] Tr : i am buying the dip
[2016-12-26 17:48:30] Tr : people promised me 1000$
[2016-12-26 17:48:35] Tr : so i will hold them accountable
[2016-12-26 17:48:54] justinlooking : u missed a zero
[2016-12-26 17:49:32] halloz : x ∞
[2016-12-26 17:49:52] ett1 : and beyond
[2016-12-26 17:50:18] Tr : anyone buying the dip?
[2016-12-26 17:50:22] Tr : pro traders always buy the dip
[2016-12-26 17:50:26] ett1 : bottoms in
[2016-12-26 17:50:40] Tr : bottom CONFIRMED
[2016-12-26 17:50:54] Tr : 200000x leverage long here
[2016-12-26 17:50:58] ett1 : higher low!
[2016-12-26 17:51:00] Tr : price cant go any lower
[2016-12-26 17:51:03] Tr : see
[2016-12-26 17:51:20] ett1 : next stop 900
[2016-12-26 17:52:08] Tr : 900 CNY
[2016-12-26 17:52:18] halloz : CHEAP COIN
[2016-12-26 17:52:25] halloz : Buy it all
[2016-12-26 17:52:35] Lazycoin : btc is long term coin
[2016-12-26 17:52:46] ett1 : im surprised theyre giving you this much time
[2016-12-26 17:53:04] ett1 : new ATH be EOD?
[2016-12-26 17:53:18] Tr : well prev ATH was fake
[2016-12-26 17:53:22] Tr : so this could be the legit ATH
[2016-12-26 17:53:37] ett1 : very good point there
[2016-12-26 17:53:58] Tr : even though the China could be doing the very same thing Karpeles did
[2016-12-26 17:54:34] ett1 : bitfinex is the one to worry about id say
[2016-12-26 17:55:05] Tr : dont think bitfinex does anythin
[2016-12-26 17:55:07] Tr : no volume there
[2016-12-26 17:56:31] ett1 : Tr: 900 broken!
[2016-12-26 17:56:32] ett1 : lol
[2016-12-26 17:59:21] Tr : BTC is basically ChinaCoin
[2016-12-26 17:59:24] Tr : at this point
[2016-12-26 17:59:46] Tr : they dictate the price
[2016-12-26 18:01:27] MikeHunt : 93% of buyers are chinese iiirc
[2016-12-26 18:02:00] MikeHunt : also this dead cat bounce looks like it's coming to an end
[2016-12-26 18:02:04] MikeHunt : with a double top
[2016-12-26 18:02:48] Tr : China just trying to figure out the highest price to dump on BTC cultists
[2016-12-26 18:10:24] halloz : people selling this shit when its prob not even gonna break 900
[2016-12-26 18:21:45] wellerchang : DOES BTC MAKE A SOUND WHEN IT DUMPS, IF NO ONE IS THERE TO SELL IT?
[2016-12-26 18:25:08] Tr : i am buying the dips
[2016-12-26 18:36:00] mjones : xmr been banging this resistance for 2 months. especially during this BTC bulltrend. xmr = hella bullish
[2016-12-26 18:38:39] abz : What minimum spread I have to maintain in order to receive Make fee -0.0250% ?
[2016-12-26 18:39:08] rapidtrades : no min
[2016-12-26 18:39:33] rapidtrades : all orders that rest on orderbook get maker fee when filled
[2016-12-26 18:40:50] abz : Then why some limit orders in my trading history have 0.0750% fee?
[2016-12-26 18:41:02] halloz : it changes
[2016-12-26 18:41:24] halloz : look at the top right
[2016-12-26 18:41:43] rapidtrades : its not limit orders that get paid...its orders that rest on orderbook...use the checkbox to make sure u get rebate @abz
[2016-12-26 18:42:04] rapidtrades : post-only
[2016-12-26 18:42:47] abz : thank you @rapidtrades
[2016-12-26 18:43:45] abz : halloz: you mean it depends on funding fee? is there anything to read about it?
[2016-12-26 18:44:28] halloz : I thought so - I'll try to dig up the page
[2016-12-26 18:44:43] abz : thanks @halloz
[2016-12-26 18:48:17] halloz : Looks like I'm mistaken - constant .075 taker fee
[2016-12-26 18:48:28] halloz : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2016-12-26 18:48:35] BitMEX_Greg : abz: If you use a limit order and you hit another order then you will pay the taker fee of 0.075%
[2016-12-26 18:48:51] BitMEX_Greg : If you place a limit order and it sits in the order book, then you will not pay the taker fee
[2016-12-26 18:55:51] rapidtrades : is 'os.path.join' same as from 'os.path import join'
[2016-12-26 18:57:45] javierstone : china starting to do its thang
[2016-12-26 18:57:51] javierstone : andale
[2016-12-26 18:59:08] halloz : rapidtrades: yeah
[2016-12-26 18:59:57] halloz : scripting a bot?
[2016-12-26 19:00:08] rapidtrades : i was googling the latter and nothing came up
[2016-12-26 19:00:17] rapidtrades : no still learning
[2016-12-26 19:01:01] halloz : could just import os.path
[2016-12-26 19:04:06] rapidtrades : yeah i guess...will that add some slowdown cos ur importing the whole thing instead of a part
[2016-12-26 19:05:50] halloz : True - not sure if the difference is significant or not
[2016-12-26 19:06:41] javierstone : so funny that xmr surpassed eth
[2016-12-26 19:07:55] MrRGnome : rapidtrades: It's the same functionally. Defining a broader scope is slower but writing the same scope import using a different syntax is the same functionally.
[2016-12-26 19:07:59] halloz : javierstone: People were trolling that shit hella hard earlier this year when ETH was pumping
[2016-12-26 19:08:29] javierstone : halloz: xmr has been quietly pumping
[2016-12-26 19:08:29] imapotato : Can we moon now?
[2016-12-26 19:08:36] javierstone : its because no one openly talks about DNM
[2016-12-26 19:08:46] ett1 : imapotato: thats what im thinking
[2016-12-26 19:08:47] halloz : True
[2016-12-26 19:08:49] ett1 : so bored
[2016-12-26 19:09:02] javierstone : start buying bitches
[2016-12-26 19:09:12] emperortrump : BTC/CNY Long all the way
[2016-12-26 19:09:17] MrRGnome : ETHs failure to understand the nash equilibrium composing bitcoins economic security model is their downfall.
[2016-12-26 19:09:29] MrRGnome : They just don't understand the incentive mechanisms, which is why they are constantly having issues with bad actors.
[2016-12-26 19:09:37] MrRGnome : Why their coin has no value.
[2016-12-26 19:10:11] javierstone : MrRGnome: whats the nash equilibrium
[2016-12-26 19:10:20] javierstone : explain to me like i've seen beautiful mind
[2016-12-26 19:11:05] ett1 : wikipedias best for that
[2016-12-26 19:11:09] MrRGnome : A nash equilibrium is a component of game theory. It basically says that you are in a state of nash equilibrium when the particiapnts competing against eachother have no incentive to chang etheir actions, creating a state of equilibrium despite competing with each other
[2016-12-26 19:12:03] MrRGnome : In bitcoin when we refer to the nash equilibrium it's the miners competing against eachother, and the incentive model of block and fee rewards designed to make it so the most profitable course of action for these competing entities is to secure the network
[2016-12-26 19:12:40] javierstone : ahhh gotcha
[2016-12-26 19:12:42] ett1 : miners are short sighted for selling once mined
[2016-12-26 19:12:46] MrRGnome : If you had an amount of resource with which to attack the network as a miner, you would always be better served using those resources to mine bitcoins rather than try to force a fork
[2016-12-26 19:13:06] javierstone : ah thats genius
[2016-12-26 19:13:19] javierstone : i think they are on to something with the bitcoin
[2016-12-26 19:13:34] imapotato : O rly
[2016-12-26 19:13:58] javierstone : MrRGnome: ty for the explanation in all seriousness
[2016-12-26 19:14:07] MrRGnome : np
[2016-12-26 19:14:42] javierstone : hence why eth is constantly having to fork?
[2016-12-26 19:14:54] MrRGnome : So back to my original comment,w hen ETH tries to centrally interven, say by blockcing a bunch of coins from moving - they have changed the incentive model for some of the participants
[2016-12-26 19:15:03] MrRGnome : Now ther eis an incentive to fork and get those coins back, say as ETC
[2016-12-26 19:15:21] MrRGnome : When they print so many coins that they don't in any way have value, you are also ruining the equilibrium
[2016-12-26 19:15:32] javierstone : gotcha whereas btc is just brutalist u fukt up u lost them
[2016-12-26 19:15:57] MrRGnome : Exactyl, which isn't desirable for anybody but it is a necessary evil that secures the integrity of the network
[2016-12-26 19:16:54] MrRGnome : It's also a reason why hard forks are so feared, any small change could have an unexpected impact, incentivizing unseen behaviour that is detrimental tot he nash equilibrium creating security.
[2016-12-26 19:17:30] abz : thank you @halloz @BitMEX_Greg
[2016-12-26 19:17:45] MrRGnome : We already see some of these problems in bitcoin in the form of selfish mining and empty block mining, where the equilibrium is out of whack
[2016-12-26 19:18:46] imapotato : Alright, are we mooning now or what? It's Monday, bank transfers should be back in full swing.
[2016-12-26 19:19:28] MrRGnome : I just exited my safety short incase we double topped, I'm bettinganother leg up.
[2016-12-26 19:20:33] imapotato : If we cross 920 on finex I'm going 50x
[2016-12-26 19:21:02] rms : today is a bank holiday in the usa
[2016-12-26 19:21:11] MrRGnome : I'm too scared for that kind of thing. Just going to hold and keep putting in shorts at peaks, with stop losses close behind.
[2016-12-26 19:21:15] imapotato : Oh... :(
[2016-12-26 19:21:41] imapotato : But why
[2016-12-26 19:21:48] MrRGnome : boxing day!
[2016-12-26 19:22:04] rms : christmas was on a sunday so observed christmas is today
[2016-12-26 19:22:08] rms : so that people still get a day off work
[2016-12-26 19:22:30] imapotato : Didn't Jesus know that Bitcoin would be rallying?
[2016-12-26 19:22:42] rms : i forgot to tell him
[2016-12-26 19:22:49] javierstone : imapotato: ya thats why he wasn't born in christmas
[2016-12-26 19:23:00] MrRGnome : ^^
[2016-12-26 19:23:03] ett1 : Satoshi is god's son on earth
[2016-12-26 19:23:07] imapotato : True, but
[2016-12-26 19:23:17] imapotato : Who decided to celebrate on the 25th
[2016-12-26 19:23:33] imapotato : What were they thinking? That's prime Bitcoin season
[2016-12-26 19:23:40] ett1 : i celebrated by trading bitcoin
[2016-12-26 19:23:43] ett1 : shows my commitment
[2016-12-26 19:24:03] ett1 : bitcoin will not spare the unprepared
[2016-12-26 19:24:27] javierstone : he was born in the summer which would have been convenient
[2016-12-26 19:24:46] halloz : zzzz
[2016-12-26 19:24:47] MrRGnome : pagans just wanna have fun
[2016-12-26 19:24:51] imapotato : Was he black
[2016-12-26 19:25:24] ett1 : serious here. i dont believe jesus was a historical figure
[2016-12-26 19:25:28] ett1 : wheres the evidence
[2016-12-26 19:25:43] imapotato : The Bible
[2016-12-26 19:25:57] halloz : bitcoin being such a fucking tease
[2016-12-26 19:26:08] MrRGnome : There is evidence of a man claiming to be jesus who did live a life around the time suggested. It's in historical writings, documenting the rabble he was rousing
[2016-12-26 19:26:25] ett1 : thats was written by others. like 60 years after he dies sipposidly. not like julius ceasar who had his statue or head on coins. or like he wrote anything
[2016-12-26 19:26:29] ett1 : hes just a fairy tail
[2016-12-26 19:26:36] ett1 : tale*
[2016-12-26 19:26:41] imapotato : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus
[2016-12-26 19:26:54] MrRGnome : From a historical context though, that 3rd party 60 years later stuff is considered good sourcing
[2016-12-26 19:27:15] MrRGnome : If you throw that out as fantasy we have to say we have no idea what was going on 1000 years ago aside froma handful of people.
[2016-12-26 19:27:37] ett1 : MrRGnome: well, if thats good sourcing it shoes how flimsy the evidence is
[2016-12-26 19:27:45] MrRGnome : Welsome to the social sciences
[2016-12-26 19:27:56] ett1 : just a bunch of historians ay thats good enough as fact. try asking some scientists
[2016-12-26 19:28:03] ett1 : https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-evidence-for-a-historical-Jesus
[2016-12-26 19:28:14] ett1 : nothing convinces me here
[2016-12-26 19:28:34] MrRGnome : social science follows an entirely different evidence standard than hard science
[2016-12-26 19:29:15] ett1 : controversial opinion, but i think its one the things that seems amazing when you start to qiestion
[2016-12-26 19:29:49] ett1 : i assumed as a kid the miricles were made up, but atleast the guy was alive
[2016-12-26 19:29:56] MrRGnome : Oh, I agree. But I mean I'm not about to throw away the entire fields of history, anthropology, philosophy...
[2016-12-26 19:30:00] ett1 : now im pretty sure theres no jesus
[2016-12-26 19:30:40] ett1 : no idea about bhudda or mohamed. maybe they were real
[2016-12-26 19:30:49] MrRGnome : Just because you can say something with more confidence than another thing, doesn't mean you can't say both.
[2016-12-26 19:31:11] MrRGnome : Most historians agree there was very likely a Yeshua figure that actually lived.
[2016-12-26 19:31:13] NL007 : O-0
[2016-12-26 19:31:32] memes : The Jews keep a record of every man who claims to be the messiah
[2016-12-26 19:31:52] memes : every lunatic and crazy man is on that list regardless
[2016-12-26 19:31:54] ett1 : where
[2016-12-26 19:31:57] memes : but Jesus isnt on it
[2016-12-26 19:32:25] MrRGnome : I love the three jesus study - what happens when you take three people claiming to be jesus and lock them in an asylum together
[2016-12-26 19:32:45] ett1 : dunno
[2016-12-26 19:32:48] memes : its a historic text I'll see if I can find it
[2016-12-26 19:32:51] MrRGnome : Oh, but we do know!
[2016-12-26 19:33:12] MrRGnome : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Christs_of_Ypsilanti
[2016-12-26 19:33:25] NL007 : Because The Jews dont consider Jesus as a messiah and want to erase him
[2016-12-26 19:34:09] NL007 : They dont want to be reminded for what they did
[2016-12-26 19:35:25] ett1 : what did they do to the man who didnt exist?
[2016-12-26 19:35:36] ett1 : make up a different story?
[2016-12-26 19:37:01] memes : if jesus is real he'll make btc reach ATH tonight :P
[2016-12-26 19:37:26] javierstone : left for 5 mins and this escalated quickly
[2016-12-26 19:37:41] NL007 : javierstone: lol