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Well now, a few days after I made this mirror available to the public, the original archive from BitMEX is online again.
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[2016-12-26 10:21:16] Tr : huobi died?
[2016-12-26 10:21:26] Tr : busted by chinese police finally?
[2016-12-26 10:48:47] l3f : Lol if you all bought all the dips and didn't get shaken out
[2016-12-26 10:48:59] l3f : would be profiting pretty nicely
[2016-12-26 10:49:15] l3f : shame I got stoplossed out
[2016-12-26 10:49:31] l3f : Expect more shakeouts on the run to 1k
[2016-12-26 10:50:56] l3f : China whale has now picked a large btc position to profit and shake the tree as he sees fit
[2016-12-26 10:52:40] mariomarco : hes not shaking hard tho
[2016-12-26 10:52:46] mariomarco : what is this 897 bullshit
[2016-12-26 10:52:48] mariomarco : we need 880
[2016-12-26 10:53:48] deeprocks : haha
[2016-12-26 10:54:08] deeprocks : if it goes 880 my profits will be super high XD
[2016-12-26 10:54:19] deeprocks : sold large at 907
[2016-12-26 10:54:58] mariomarco : sweet
[2016-12-26 11:23:20] Headroom : could we remove the trollbox window from the UI ?
[2016-12-26 11:24:12] elmorte : Headroom: completely?
[2016-12-26 11:24:17] deeprocks : is it possible to have a long and short position at the same time??
[2016-12-26 11:24:25] Headroom : yes elmorte
[2016-12-26 11:24:33] elmorte : deeprocks: not on the same account and same contract
[2016-12-26 11:24:57] deeprocks : elmorte: ohhh guess I will have to make a different account XD
[2016-12-26 11:25:03] deeprocks : thanks!
[2016-12-26 11:25:27] elmorte : Headroom: someone made a CSS workaround a while ago...I don't think it's in the settings
[2016-12-26 11:26:22] Headroom : and I didn't notice it, Ublock will be enough for the moment, thank you
[2016-12-26 11:27:05] Headroom : I'm dreaming for an install version of this
[2016-12-26 11:27:41] elmorte : The chatroom?
[2016-12-26 11:27:54] Headroom : webplatform is for casino, bye guys from trollbox :P
[2016-12-26 11:28:08] elmorte : Godspeed
[2016-12-26 11:28:53] elmorte : I wonder if it works when someone pings you
[2016-12-26 11:28:57] elmorte : Headroom:
[2016-12-26 11:40:07] deeprocks : is it possible to transfer funds to a different account?
[2016-12-26 11:40:45] elmorte : deeprocks: email the support@bitmex.com. They might be able to help
[2016-12-26 11:41:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 50 @ 896.76
[2016-12-26 11:42:42] deeprocks : elmorte: alright thanks!
[2016-12-26 11:44:58] arbitrage001 : hallow
[2016-12-26 11:44:59] arbitrage001 : hallo
[2016-12-26 11:45:05] deeprocks : arbitrage001: hey
[2016-12-26 11:45:12] arbitrage001 : deeprocks: hi
[2016-12-26 11:45:17] arbitrage001 : deeprocks: you know me?
[2016-12-26 11:45:27] deeprocks : nope
[2016-12-26 11:45:46] elmorte : deeprocks arbitrage001
[2016-12-26 11:45:52] elmorte : arbitrage001 deeprocks
[2016-12-26 11:45:55] arbitrage001 : you sound new here
[2016-12-26 11:46:25] deeprocks : arbitrage001: i am
[2016-12-26 11:46:32] deeprocks : elmorte: thansk for the intro :D
[2016-12-26 11:46:37] elmorte : np :)
[2016-12-26 11:47:52] arbitrage001 : the market is killing both bull and bear
[2016-12-26 11:48:10] memes : its a big game hunter
[2016-12-26 11:48:13] deeprocks : then where's the profit going?
[2016-12-26 11:48:24] arbitrage001 : exchange as commision?
[2016-12-26 11:48:36] deeprocks : maybe
[2016-12-26 11:48:50] arbitrage001 : and the funding fee
[2016-12-26 11:49:01] arbitrage001 : going to financers
[2016-12-26 11:51:04] breadfan : will it test 880 or will it go up :(
[2016-12-26 11:51:09] breadfan : hate this suspense
[2016-12-26 11:51:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 100 @ 896.15
[2016-12-26 11:51:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5000 @ 894.33
[2016-12-26 11:51:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5000 @ 893.47
[2016-12-26 11:51:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 30190 @ 893.33
[2016-12-26 11:51:48] Yuppie : Right before funding
[2016-12-26 11:51:52] shery : shorts opejning
[2016-12-26 11:52:08] shery : last 8 mints shorts opened
[2016-12-26 11:52:10] deeprocks : 8 min to funding
[2016-12-26 11:52:48] rapidtrades : weee another sweet funding
[2016-12-26 11:53:08] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: how is your short
[2016-12-26 11:53:16] arbitrage001 : deeprocks: what is your game plan
[2016-12-26 11:53:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 23929 @ 891.72
[2016-12-26 11:53:41] REKT : :roller_coaster: :chart_with_downwards_trend: :japanese_goblin:
[2016-12-26 11:53:43] deeprocks : arbitrage001: currently it including not gonig in los
[2016-12-26 11:53:57] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: it's fine....im only short here tho, not overall
[2016-12-26 11:54:04] rapidtrades : so this isn't making me $$$
[2016-12-26 11:55:12] arbitrage001 : tempted to short right before funding
[2016-12-26 11:55:21] arbitrage001 : since next funding is high also
[2016-12-26 11:55:30] rapidtrades : if u look at weekly charts, there hasn't been s significant red candle since july
[2016-12-26 11:55:48] rapidtrades : even the bitfinex hack was retraced within days
[2016-12-26 11:56:20] rapidtrades : a major correction is overdue...but dunno when and where :)
[2016-12-26 11:56:35] arbitrage001 : still have 2 major short position i need to cover
[2016-12-26 11:56:45] arbitrage001 : and 1 small short position in the low 700
[2016-12-26 11:57:14] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: are u withdrawing what ur earning on finex?
[2016-12-26 11:57:39] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: sold all token and left
[2016-12-26 11:57:50] arbitrage001 : dont think finex outcome is looking bright
[2016-12-26 11:57:55] arbitrage001 : too many competition
[2016-12-26 11:57:58] rapidtrades : ah...so its not u using the tokens to arb?
[2016-12-26 11:58:02] arbitrage001 : and their platform still sux hard time
[2016-12-26 11:58:17] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: not worth any more since funding rate is high
[2016-12-26 11:58:17] rapidtrades : yeah finex is such and clearly faking volume
[2016-12-26 11:58:33] rapidtrades : or including their fake tokens in volume, which is cheating too
[2016-12-26 11:58:55] arbitrage001 : glad i bought a lot in the .3-.4 range
[2016-12-26 11:59:01] arbitrage001 : so my loss is minimize
[2016-12-26 11:59:23] zanza : funding time baby
[2016-12-26 11:59:29] rapidtrades : BRING IT
[2016-12-26 11:59:31] deeprocks : i am going long
[2016-12-26 12:00:12] rapidtrades : CHA-CHING!
[2016-12-26 12:00:26] breadfan : big funding rate means lots of long positions now still?
[2016-12-26 12:00:29] deeprocks : did the funding happen?
[2016-12-26 12:00:35] rapidtrades : JUST NOW YES
[2016-12-26 12:00:40] ett1 : yep
[2016-12-26 12:00:48] rapidtrades : my wallet is now slightly fatter
[2016-12-26 12:01:01] deeprocks : and mine thinner XD
[2016-12-26 12:01:22] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: did you hear slegar the other day, getting 3 btc per day on funding alone
[2016-12-26 12:01:22] Tr : .25 btc from funding not bad
[2016-12-26 12:02:15] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: yeah it's depressing
[2016-12-26 12:02:35] arbitrage001 : people who have capital dont need to work
[2016-12-26 12:02:36] deeprocks : in which case do the shorts have to pay?
[2016-12-26 12:02:51] ett1 : sometime funding is negative
[2016-12-26 12:02:55] breadfan : probably if market is oversold, then the funding rate gets negative
[2016-12-26 12:03:05] deeprocks : ohk
[2016-12-26 12:06:30] memes : by funding you mean lending? Where can I do that on bitmex
[2016-12-26 12:06:46] deeprocks : memes: its not that type of lending
[2016-12-26 12:07:02] deeprocks : it is done by buying or selling contracts
[2016-12-26 12:08:02] rapidtrades : some forex brokers are not even working today...can u believe that entitled shit?
[2016-12-26 12:08:15] mariomarco : rapidtrades: priviledged :D
[2016-12-26 12:08:24] deeprocks : XD
[2016-12-26 12:08:33] mariomarco : white chauvinist male overlord capitalists
[2016-12-26 12:08:37] mariomarco : sexists
[2016-12-26 12:08:38] rapidtrades : by that i mean not even their trading servers are running, not just customer service
[2016-12-26 12:08:38] mariomarco : :P
[2016-12-26 12:09:03] deeprocks : rapidtrades: a break for those servers
[2016-12-26 12:09:09] rapidtrades : looool oanda isn't working either...like wtf ppl
[2016-12-26 12:09:17] breadfan : yeah they dont
[2016-12-26 12:09:21] breadfan : 'holiday schedule'
[2016-12-26 12:10:03] rapidtrades : they could at least let the trading server run and keep 2-3 ppl in ther efor emergencies...like wtf is this shit
[2016-12-26 12:11:27] breadfan : yeah exactly
[2016-12-26 12:11:31] deeprocks : rapidtrades: i tihnk they have such holidays
[2016-12-26 12:11:37] deeprocks : think*
[2016-12-26 12:12:32] rapidtrades : fxopen is working, with some crazy spreads outside euro
[2016-12-26 12:13:33] rapidtrades : 8p on aussie, 11 on cable...wtf
[2016-12-26 12:14:20] breadfan : tomorrow things will probably get back to normal
[2016-12-26 12:15:11] rapidtrades : i had to cycle through a bunch of mt4 before i found one that's running
[2016-12-26 12:15:41] deeprocks : can someone explain unrealised PNL
[2016-12-26 12:16:00] deeprocks : does it include funding??
[2016-12-26 12:16:10] rapidtrades : no
[2016-12-26 12:16:18] ett1 : unrealised is your profit
[2016-12-26 12:16:18] justinlooking : funding applies directly to wallet balance
[2016-12-26 12:16:33] ett1 : funding comes out immediately
[2016-12-26 12:16:38] ett1 : its total is realised
[2016-12-26 12:16:43] deeprocks : okay i was confusing it with my funding XD
[2016-12-26 12:16:48] rapidtrades : funding goes in realised
[2016-12-26 12:16:49] BitMEX_Wally : deeprocks: Unrealised PNL is the difference between your entry price and the current mark price
[2016-12-26 12:16:50] justinlooking : unrealised is the adjusmtent that would be made to wallet if close positions at mark price
[2016-12-26 12:17:07] deeprocks : thanks guys!
[2016-12-26 12:17:12] deeprocks : new to this stuff
[2016-12-26 12:17:26] deeprocks : only did leverage before
[2016-12-26 12:18:06] Tr : But the mark price isnt the same as the market price isnt it
[2016-12-26 12:18:13] Nerve : 890 strong support???
[2016-12-26 12:18:37] deeprocks : Nerve: i want it to rise
[2016-12-26 12:18:49] deeprocks : Tr: mark is based on exchange outside
[2016-12-26 12:19:05] deeprocks : outside bitmex
[2016-12-26 12:19:47] Nerve : deeprocks: me too...my position is on fire ! I mean red
[2016-12-26 12:20:24] shery : Nerve: i am not in a position but i relly want it to go up , this should not stop here
[2016-12-26 12:20:28] deeprocks : Nerve: i went super long whe nit was 890
[2016-12-26 12:22:09] deeprocks : is it possible to see what my profit will be if i close at a certain rate
[2016-12-26 12:22:26] kbrn : use calculator
[2016-12-26 12:22:44] deeprocks : oh yeah XD
[2016-12-26 12:22:49] kbrn : its under bitmex logo
[2016-12-26 12:23:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCT7D`: sell 20 @ 0.002706
[2016-12-26 12:23:04] deeprocks : yeah found it thanks!
[2016-12-26 12:23:47] kbrn : you're welcome
[2016-12-26 12:25:21] Yuppie : Can sb explain to me the funding cap? Ab to what position size to I pay/receive full funding or is it irrelevant? Thy
[2016-12-26 12:25:28] Nerve : shery: so everybody should buy dip ! This is the only way to the new hights
[2016-12-26 12:25:35] Yuppie : Up to what..
[2016-12-26 12:26:30] justinlooking : Yuppie: funding cap isjust the highest the rate can go, you still pay/earn rate on full pos
[2016-12-26 12:28:37] Yuppie : Thx for the answer
[2016-12-26 12:35:25] deeprocks : any hopes for it rising?
[2016-12-26 12:36:04] l3f : nope it's all over
[2016-12-26 12:36:45] shery : l @l3f you said that in sarcasm right??? , you were a strng beeliver of uptrend
[2016-12-26 12:37:09] l3f : of course it is
[2016-12-26 12:37:13] Nerve : He is joking !!!
[2016-12-26 12:37:15] l3f : we're on the right shoulder of an inverse H&s
[2016-12-26 12:37:16] Nerve : Lol
[2016-12-26 12:37:24] deeprocks : wooh
[2016-12-26 12:37:28] deeprocks : i thought u were serious
[2016-12-26 12:37:44] shery : l3f: I thought that for a while too
[2016-12-26 12:37:57] l3f : pattern isn't even complete
[2016-12-26 12:38:00] l3f : we're just speculating the completin
[2016-12-26 12:38:54] l3f : anyways if it preaks past this resistance zone
[2016-12-26 12:38:59] l3f : then we'll be testing 870 again
[2016-12-26 12:39:03] l3f : but this time it will fail
[2016-12-26 12:39:07] l3f : unfortunately
[2016-12-26 12:39:15] shery : l3f: fail to?
[2016-12-26 12:39:32] l3f : if it tests 870 again it I don't think it'll bounce
[2016-12-26 12:39:49] shery : l3f: surely we would be moving downwards than
[2016-12-26 12:40:17] l3f : It's a giant traingle
[2016-12-26 12:40:44] l3f : some people see a giant H&S if 870 gets tested
[2016-12-26 12:40:49] l3f : some people just see the triangle
[2016-12-26 12:41:18] shery : l3f: but I think things would be cleared in an 2-3 hours either it will bounce or fall hard
[2016-12-26 12:41:51] l3f : so dramatic
[2016-12-26 12:45:32] l3f : tbqh
[2016-12-26 12:45:35] l3f : you'd outperform 90% of traders
[2016-12-26 12:45:39] l3f : if you just bought and hold
[2016-12-26 12:46:05] ett1 : and sit through 90 or 50% drawdowns
[2016-12-26 12:46:07] ett1 : and risk it going to 0
[2016-12-26 12:46:36] ett1 : traders might make half as much profit if it goes to $10, but half the losses if it goes to $100
[2016-12-26 12:46:45] ett1 : $10k*
[2016-12-26 12:46:45] cg : It better bounce now..
[2016-12-26 12:47:16] shery : it just cant hover from 6405
[2016-12-26 12:47:19] ett1 : l3f: also, whos heard of bitcoin and going to buy and hold it. traders probably
[2016-12-26 12:47:25] ett1 : all the geeks are building stuff
[2016-12-26 12:47:38] ett1 : and arguing about block size limits
[2016-12-26 12:47:50] ett1 : not speculating on price
[2016-12-26 12:55:39] happy : to da moon
[2016-12-26 13:00:41] deeprocks : thats doge
[2016-12-26 13:00:52] shery : common bitcoin we need a push go up
[2016-12-26 13:02:10] rapidtrades : horrible fx spreads
[2016-12-26 13:05:09] cg : I guess we will see where we go within 30 minutes
[2016-12-26 13:06:33] shery : cg: I think we are bounding
[2016-12-26 13:07:19] deeprocks : cg: 30 min?
[2016-12-26 13:09:08] ett1 : if you get deleveraged, can you just enter back into the same size?
[2016-12-26 13:10:42] Rado : rapidtrades: I thought it's only SImpleFX
[2016-12-26 13:11:11] rapidtrades : Rado: how much on euro?
[2016-12-26 13:11:50] Rado : 57
[2016-12-26 13:11:54] ett1 : rapidtrades: what do u think of H17 premium?
[2016-12-26 13:11:55] shery : yesterday we bounced at this time
[2016-12-26 13:12:26] Rado : rapidtrades: 68 now
[2016-12-26 13:12:33] Rado : can't trade with this spreads
[2016-12-26 13:12:41] rapidtrades : 68 or 6.8?
[2016-12-26 13:13:06] rapidtrades : the 5th decimal is a pipette not a pip
[2016-12-26 13:14:00] rapidtrades : its convention to use pips
[2016-12-26 13:14:22] ett1 : i thouht pip was the smallers
[2016-12-26 13:14:29] Rado : rapidtrades: 1.04444 - 1.04501
[2016-12-26 13:14:41] rapidtrades : it was until few years ago @ett1
[2016-12-26 13:14:55] rapidtrades : then we moved to 5th decimal pricing
[2016-12-26 13:15:05] rapidtrades : but convention remains at 4th
[2016-12-26 13:15:19] ett1 : ok i dont trade fx. still any opportunities compared to crypto?
[2016-12-26 13:15:31] Rado : ett1: yes
[2016-12-26 13:15:35] rapidtrades : a lot less
[2016-12-26 13:15:58] ett1 : suitable for long term holders or do fees eat away
[2016-12-26 13:16:03] rapidtrades : don't touch it until ur consistently making money here
[2016-12-26 13:16:09] Rado : well the moves are still big and you can make a lot with high leverage
[2016-12-26 13:16:15] Rado : SImpleFX has insane 500x
[2016-12-26 13:16:45] Rado : ett1: just for day trading
[2016-12-26 13:16:47] ett1 : i have views on commodities but doesnt seem optimal. im an aggressive long bias btx trader
[2016-12-26 13:16:52] rapidtrades : 500x is high but not insane for fx...most majors move below 1% per day
[2016-12-26 13:16:52] Rado : rapidtrades hold long term
[2016-12-26 13:16:58] ett1 : btc. hold for weeks or months
[2016-12-26 13:17:18] rapidtrades : 100x on bitcoin, now thats insane
[2016-12-26 13:17:52] ett1 : if 100x leverage is nuts, then i dont want to be sane
[2016-12-26 13:18:00] shery : sighns of some movement , common bitcoin you can do it
[2016-12-26 13:18:01] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-12-26 13:18:08] Rado : for my trading the leverage hasn't mean much
[2016-12-26 13:18:40] Rado : I have 50k position and leverage is only 1.55x
[2016-12-26 13:19:01] ett1 : Rado: why not have 5k positions with 15x
[2016-12-26 13:19:07] ett1 : whats the difference to you
[2016-12-26 13:19:29] rapidtrades : im all for high leverage cos i can deposit less but at some point its counter-productive to reconciling trades
[2016-12-26 13:20:12] Rado : ett1: you don't make more when you are on higher leverage
[2016-12-26 13:20:17] Rado : you pay less
[2016-12-26 13:21:01] ett1 : oh ye ofc. but could you not hedge lend the difference
[2016-12-26 13:21:24] cg : thinking this is the bounce
[2016-12-26 13:21:37] ett1 : thats not being used for trading. i suppose that defeats the purpose of what i was getting at (less at risk on the exchange)
[2016-12-26 13:22:04] shery : cg: yess we couldbounce from here
[2016-12-26 13:23:13] ett1 : what happens after a deleveraging
[2016-12-26 13:23:23] ett1 : is it like being margin called - do i lose money
[2016-12-26 13:23:31] ett1 : can i reenter back into the position?
[2016-12-26 13:23:53] Rado : ett1: it's not margin call
[2016-12-26 13:23:56] Rado : you can re enter
[2016-12-26 13:24:04] Rado : it's just closing your position
[2016-12-26 13:24:13] Rado : most likely in profit too
[2016-12-26 13:24:15] rapidtrades : u don;t even pay fees afaik
[2016-12-26 13:24:27] ett1 : ok...whats the worst case. im closed and have to get in at a higher price
[2016-12-26 13:24:32] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, you are closed out at a profit and you earn the maker fee
[2016-12-26 13:24:39] ett1 : or possible closed on low margin and cant get back in the same size?
[2016-12-26 13:25:00] Rado : ett1: don't worry about ADL
[2016-12-26 13:25:10] Rado : worry about your risk and position size
[2016-12-26 13:25:12] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: worst case is say prices crash, ur taken oyt at 870 while prices keep falling to 800 etc
[2016-12-26 13:25:25] rapidtrades : that was reply to ett1
[2016-12-26 13:25:29] ett1 : Rado: im thinking of moving my swap inro a futures position
[2016-12-26 13:25:44] shery : china not moving but we are can anyone explain?
[2016-12-26 13:25:49] ett1 : could i be at more risk of ADL in the futures. is there a risk im not aware of
[2016-12-26 13:25:50] Rado : ett1: if you are holding you should have done that
[2016-12-26 13:26:02] BitMEX_Wally : Last time we had ADL was in November
[2016-12-26 13:26:02] rapidtrades : arbers closing the gap? @shery
[2016-12-26 13:26:04] ett1 : im trying to save funding fess, which i expect to be high if theres a bull marke
[2016-12-26 13:26:16] shery : rapidtrades: what?
[2016-12-26 13:26:18] ett1 : Rado: yes im trying to time it
[2016-12-26 13:26:31] rapidtrades : shery: china us price gap
[2016-12-26 13:26:32] ett1 : Rado: whats your thoughts on H!17 premium
[2016-12-26 13:26:41] ett1 : trending up? or overbought
[2016-12-26 13:27:29] shery : rapidtrades: we follow china usuall but this seems to be not happening
[2016-12-26 13:27:32] ett1 : BitMEX_Wally: what happens when z16 expires
[2016-12-26 13:27:43] ett1 : we have just h16? or theres another contract
[2016-12-26 13:27:44] Rado : ett1: premium is fine
[2016-12-26 13:27:55] Rado : unless you try to hold for 3 months
[2016-12-26 13:28:01] ett1 : thx
[2016-12-26 13:28:16] ett1 : i was woried premium jumped recently and will fall
[2016-12-26 13:28:22] ett1 : so bad time to enter
[2016-12-26 13:28:34] BitMEX_Wally : In march we will list another quarterly
[2016-12-26 13:28:35] ett1 : but it could be running away from me also
[2016-12-26 13:28:50] ett1 : BitMEX_Wally: will there be a Jan 1 month
[2016-12-26 13:29:05] ett1 : so there will be only 1 contract?
[2016-12-26 13:29:12] cg : looks like a good btc bounce :)
[2016-12-26 13:29:15] deeprocks : ett1: there will be a new contract
[2016-12-26 13:29:16] ett1 : Mar17 only?
[2016-12-26 13:29:25] deeprocks : ett1: a new one will come
[2016-12-26 13:29:25] ett1 : deeprocks: what is it
[2016-12-26 13:29:33] ett1 : Jan?
[2016-12-26 13:29:35] deeprocks : ett1: not sure about that but here will be new one
[2016-12-26 13:30:31] deeprocks : nice bounce
[2016-12-26 13:31:19] Rado : ett1: what I do is place a stop order and don't worry about the premium
[2016-12-26 13:31:30] Rado : if I get taken out I try to enter at a better price
[2016-12-26 13:31:48] ett1 : ok id have been better off doing it sooner i think
[2016-12-26 13:31:59] ett1 : will do it in this period
[2016-12-26 13:32:42] ett1 : but im looking to exxit when i think theres a bullback. getting in the futures was too risky for me so far
[2016-12-26 13:32:54] rapidtrades : there's no sadder meal then cereal with nothing added
[2016-12-26 13:33:18] rapidtrades : feels like prison food
[2016-12-26 13:33:34] ett1 : add your own milk
[2016-12-26 13:33:54] rapidtrades : sadly i don't have a cow
[2016-12-26 13:33:56] Rado : see my chart
[2016-12-26 13:33:56] Rado : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/fvJIDqlJ-BTC-new-highs-coming/
[2016-12-26 13:34:26] ett1 : rapidtrades: i heard your moms lactating
[2016-12-26 13:34:33] Rado : I am the oracle
[2016-12-26 13:35:05] deeprocks : Rado: lets see :D
[2016-12-26 13:35:21] deeprocks : Rado: but i hope that charts proves to be correct
[2016-12-26 13:35:22] ett1 : Rado: nice. saw that earlier
[2016-12-26 13:35:31] Rado : rapidtrades: no food delivery?
[2016-12-26 13:37:09] deeprocks : Rado: ur prediction is a bit delayed i guess
[2016-12-26 13:37:19] rapidtrades : they don't deliver in the ghetto
[2016-12-26 13:37:26] Rado : deeprocks: how do you mean?
[2016-12-26 13:37:31] Rado : click on the play to see
[2016-12-26 13:37:38] rapidtrades : and ts raining so don't feel like going out
[2016-12-26 13:38:04] Rado : rapidtrades: where are you?
[2016-12-26 13:38:12] Rado : give me a hint :-)
[2016-12-26 13:38:14] rapidtrades : im here yo
[2016-12-26 13:38:37] deeprocks : Rado: i mean its a bit late than the chart
[2016-12-26 13:39:35] Rado : rapidtrades: how can I visit you on my world trip if I don't know where you are
[2016-12-26 13:40:22] rapidtrades : we'll be in touch in private
[2016-12-26 13:40:44] Rado : I am leaving Feb 9
[2016-12-26 13:40:46] rapidtrades : i mostly bounce around south/southest europe
[2016-12-26 13:40:56] Rado : nice
[2016-12-26 13:41:03] Rado : I will be there for a month
[2016-12-26 13:41:07] rapidtrades : plan to hit asian once account grows more
[2016-12-26 13:41:12] deeprocks : Rado: wow world tour?
[2016-12-26 13:41:14] Rado : but it will be all the way in July/August
[2016-12-26 13:42:02] Rado : deeprocks: yes - 6 months initially
[2016-12-26 13:42:21] rapidtrades : thats a good time to visit, altho its a bit crowded
[2016-12-26 13:42:39] rapidtrades : in the touristy cities
[2016-12-26 13:42:57] ett1 : rapidtrades: asians cheap dude
[2016-12-26 13:43:25] rapidtrades : not the good part like japan, hk etc
[2016-12-26 13:43:27] Rado : we will stay in less populated areas
[2016-12-26 13:43:39] ett1 : bkk?
[2016-12-26 13:43:45] ett1 : ah ok
[2016-12-26 13:45:34] rapidtrades : finex token longers still leading us higher
[2016-12-26 13:46:24] rapidtrades : 14.9k volume compared to 4.4k on btce
[2016-12-26 13:46:31] rapidtrades : volume so fake
[2016-12-26 13:46:59] Rado : rapidtrades: what do you think about this USDJPY chart? https://www.tradingview.com/chart/USDJPY/4LxlYQZR-USDJPY-SOME-RESISTANCE-LEVELS-COMING/
[2016-12-26 13:47:25] ett1 : bitfinex are shady fuckers
[2016-12-26 13:49:25] Rado : rapidtrades: did you know BTCE is Ukrainian and located in Bulgaria
[2016-12-26 13:49:59] rapidtrades : allegedly
[2016-12-26 13:50:11] elmorte : lol
[2016-12-26 13:50:19] rapidtrades : i heard russian not ukranian
[2016-12-26 13:52:01] rapidtrades : bitstamp has even lower volume at 3.6k
[2016-12-26 13:52:24] rapidtrades : smth is up over at finexland
[2016-12-26 13:53:13] Rado : BTCC has a mobile app now
[2016-12-26 13:53:26] elmorte : Maybe the hacker is going long before he returns the coins
[2016-12-26 13:53:39] ett1 : hahaha
[2016-12-26 13:54:09] ett1 : i think he'd be in touch to tell us his plan and negotiate a good rate
[2016-12-26 13:54:33] elmorte : Rado: in English?
[2016-12-26 13:54:39] rapidtrades : ppl would sue so hard if that happened and they got nothing back
[2016-12-26 13:54:50] ett1 : rapidtrades: they didnt last time
[2016-12-26 13:54:53] Rado : not sure
[2016-12-26 13:55:10] ett1 : theyre untoichable. they will pull off another deca million dollar fraud
[2016-12-26 13:55:18] rapidtrades : a lot didn't cos they thought there was nothing to get
[2016-12-26 13:55:29] ett1 : there wasnt. the money had been mixed
[2016-12-26 13:55:32] ett1 : and withdrawn
[2016-12-26 13:55:54] ett1 : should have found out who was in charge of the wallets and handcuffed him before money was moved
[2016-12-26 13:56:06] ett1 : wasnt theirs to distribute
[2016-12-26 13:56:21] ett1 : no oversight or proof of a hack, unlike in a bankruptcy
[2016-12-26 13:57:03] ett1 : anyone who trades on bitfinex now is retarded
[2016-12-26 14:06:21] deeprocks : ett1: i actually lost my coins in bitfinex in the hack
[2016-12-26 14:06:28] deeprocks : since then totally stopped
[2016-12-26 14:07:07] deeprocks : it was a sad coincidence i deposited and next day coins gone
[2016-12-26 14:07:11] shery : what a big order
[2016-12-26 14:07:27] ett1 : deeprocks: you lost everything? i thought just 36%
[2016-12-26 14:07:36] ett1 : 'just' :/
[2016-12-26 14:07:38] deeprocks : ett1: not everything
[2016-12-26 14:07:53] deeprocks : ett1: i had just deposit one day before hack
[2016-12-26 14:07:56] ett1 : oh you deposited day before
[2016-12-26 14:07:58] deeprocks : not even whole 24 hrs
[2016-12-26 14:07:59] ett1 : that sucks man
[2016-12-26 14:08:04] thomaskikansha : 900k bid lol\
[2016-12-26 14:08:11] deeprocks : damn that buy order
[2016-12-26 14:08:17] ett1 : i like to be long or flat for long times
[2016-12-26 14:08:20] shery : thomaskikansha: could be a short
[2016-12-26 14:08:23] ett1 : i can keep money in my waller
[2016-12-26 14:08:27] rapidtrades : so how did u 'lose everything'
[2016-12-26 14:08:31] ett1 : or put on a short here with a small %
[2016-12-26 14:08:40] ett1 : saves from exchange risk and works for my timeframe
[2016-12-26 14:08:45] rapidtrades : he's just painting the orderbook to get his shorts filled
[2016-12-26 14:08:50] ett1 : im gambling right now tho haha
[2016-12-26 14:09:05] rapidtrades : if he wanted to get that filled he would go at mid price or better
[2016-12-26 14:09:44] thomaskikansha : spot going up though
[2016-12-26 14:10:58] aethlios : nasty trading as approaching 1000 and above that.
[2016-12-26 14:11:20] rapidtrades : there won't be above 1,000..not for long anyway
[2016-12-26 14:11:30] aethlios : anyone with heart problems better just watch from distance.
[2016-12-26 14:11:41] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-12-26 14:11:58] ett1 : is there charts for historic premium
[2016-12-26 14:12:03] ett1 : and for historic funding rate
[2016-12-26 14:12:09] arbitrage001 : think we might hit historical new high
[2016-12-26 14:12:29] ett1 : thats what im trading for @arbitrage001
[2016-12-26 14:12:52] ett1 : arbitrage001: whats your thought on premium
[2016-12-26 14:12:57] ett1 : too high or fine
[2016-12-26 14:13:02] shery : haha look at order ar 905
[2016-12-26 14:13:03] rapidtrades : get real ppl, we're almost at 50% gains since this no retracement rally started
[2016-12-26 14:13:06] aethlios : 2 whales fighting in bitmex's orderbook
[2016-12-26 14:13:06] ett1 : its jumped a lot recently
[2016-12-26 14:13:12] arbitrage001 : not that hard to pump when there are so much money around
[2016-12-26 14:13:31] ett1 : cant tell if its overbought or for good reason its rising
[2016-12-26 14:13:36] ett1 : (if bullish)
[2016-12-26 14:13:46] arbitrage001 : ett1: there are always convervative traders who will settle for 7% for 3 months
[2016-12-26 14:13:52] justinlooking : how much was on offer there?
[2016-12-26 14:13:57] justinlooking : 400k or less?
[2016-12-26 14:14:01] arbitrage001 : close to 30% annually
[2016-12-26 14:14:04] aethlios : 500k
[2016-12-26 14:14:07] justinlooking : ty
[2016-12-26 14:14:31] ett1 : arbitrage001: ye thats good for me. i just didnt know if it could dip to 4-5% in a day for example
[2016-12-26 14:14:43] ett1 : that would hurt if i moved from swaps into futures now
[2016-12-26 14:15:18] rapidtrades : if we go down long-dated futures will fall further then swap
[2016-12-26 14:15:19] aethlios : whales will pump it to the core and dump it to the floor, margin calls for everyone.....
[2016-12-26 14:15:47] arbitrage001 : aethlios: seem like the goal for every whale
[2016-12-26 14:16:34] justinlooking : bitmex ur testnet is f\/cked i think
[2016-12-26 14:17:18] Rado : justinlooking: in what way?
[2016-12-26 14:17:22] justinlooking : derpderp looking at perp 1x with no quotes..
[2016-12-26 14:18:23] Rado : that contract is experimental I think
[2016-12-26 14:18:37] Rado : I guess they didn't add the stupid bot on there
[2016-12-26 14:26:24] ett1 : aethlios: ur saying perp is less likely to spike
[2016-12-26 14:27:12] aethlios : quarterly will spike more
[2016-12-26 14:28:55] ett1 : on 15m or could it affect like daily / 4hr positions
[2016-12-26 14:29:24] ett1 : its seems i should move my perp into futures but what you say scares me a bit
[2016-12-26 14:34:23] l3f : quarterlies is such a joke
[2016-12-26 14:34:37] l3f : huge spread
[2016-12-26 14:34:40] l3f : no liquidity
[2016-12-26 14:34:42] l3f : retarded prices
[2016-12-26 14:34:46] l3f : nty
[2016-12-26 14:36:09] shery : l3f: no liquidation in quatarly
[2016-12-26 14:36:21] l3f : shery: there sure is
[2016-12-26 14:37:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 302 @ 0.007990
[2016-12-26 14:37:44] l3f : anyways
[2016-12-26 14:37:46] l3f : remember that it'll be 1k sonn
[2016-12-26 14:37:54] l3f : so if you enter
[2016-12-26 14:38:03] l3f : and can hold the position
[2016-12-26 14:38:13] l3f : you might get emotionally crushed
[2016-12-26 14:38:16] l3f : but you won't lose
[2016-12-26 14:38:38] shery : l3f: agree +1
[2016-12-26 14:39:18] ett1 : l3f: whats crushing
[2016-12-26 14:39:43] shery : ett1: depressed
[2016-12-26 14:40:16] shery : are we lagging or china is lagging
[2016-12-26 14:40:22] ett1 : no, whay would be emotionally depressing about holding that position
[2016-12-26 14:41:00] shery : ett1: what if you have a position at 910 and price reaches 862 , will you be enjoying that?
[2016-12-26 14:41:20] ett1 : yes thats fine
[2016-12-26 14:41:31] ett1 : i just held from 920 to 860
[2016-12-26 14:41:51] shery : ett1: well that needs a lot of faith
[2016-12-26 14:42:17] ett1 : faith is the key
[2016-12-26 14:42:43] shery : ett1: faith could someone time hurt you once it is broken
[2016-12-26 14:43:04] ett1 : i have faith we are going to ATH, clearly others dont if the market is still this cheap
[2016-12-26 14:43:33] ett1 : i wanted to add at 860 but couldnt take more risk
[2016-12-26 14:43:36] esuvari : 102000 buys on xbtz16??
[2016-12-26 14:43:44] ett1 : even though i belive it was going to rebound
[2016-12-26 14:43:46] ett1 : its a balance
[2016-12-26 14:44:25] shery : how much is the fees for xbt 16??
[2016-12-26 14:45:37] esuvari : same as others. 0.075 taker, -0.025 maker, 0.05 settlement
[2016-12-26 14:46:09] shery : esuvari: I mean is there any funding fees etc?
[2016-12-26 14:46:17] esuvari : nope
[2016-12-26 14:46:24] esuvari : funding fees are only for swap contracts
[2016-12-26 14:46:31] ett1 : nope, just settlement & trading fee
[2016-12-26 14:46:35] esuvari : which is the bitcoin perpetual swap
[2016-12-26 14:47:07] shery : esuvari: so xbt16 seems to better if we wanna avoid funding right?
[2016-12-26 14:47:22] esuvari : yes. but mind you, it ends this friday
[2016-12-26 14:47:39] shery : esuvari: friday is away
[2016-12-26 14:47:40] ett1 : ye but watch out if its trading at a high premium over spot
[2016-12-26 14:47:42] esuvari : so if you're looking for something more long lasting, you might wanna check the quarterlies
[2016-12-26 14:47:55] ett1 : it converges with XBTUSD by end of month
[2016-12-26 14:48:13] shery : esuvari: no fnding fees or that too?
[2016-12-26 14:48:27] shery : but i thnk more people are in swap whats the reason
[2016-12-26 14:48:29] esuvari : at some point last weekend, xbtz16 fell under the spot even
[2016-12-26 14:48:35] ett1 : no, but funding fees can go negative in a bear market
[2016-12-26 14:48:53] ett1 : they are hirting your long right now, but if the market falls youll likley get some rebate
[2016-12-26 14:49:14] esuvari : @shery, no funding fees for that either. but price is just too damn expensive at the moment. and liquidity is low
[2016-12-26 14:49:14] shery : esuvari: so i xbt16 is manipulated right?
[2016-12-26 14:49:27] ett1 : right now futures is above spot, but it floats. it can go below for example
[2016-12-26 14:49:54] shery : ett1: so only sot shows correct price
[2016-12-26 14:49:56] ett1 : so spot could be up 1% and futures down 2%. unlikely but possible
[2016-12-26 14:50:00] esuvari : @shery what do you mean? btc market in general is manipulated if you look at it like that
[2016-12-26 14:50:24] ett1 : shery: only spot will be comparable to other exchanges
[2016-12-26 14:50:41] ett1 : the moves in futures will be about the same
[2016-12-26 14:50:46] shery : esuvari: No, but xt 16 was only1 4 aheda than market yesterday today it is quite above so may be somone manipulated
[2016-12-26 14:51:07] ett1 : if spot is up 1% futures should be up 1% (ever so slightly less because of premium decay)
[2016-12-26 14:51:14] ett1 : ni in theory
[2016-12-26 14:51:34] esuvari : it's all about expectations. price reflects the prediction what the spot price will be on the day of settlement.
[2016-12-26 14:51:36] ett1 : the premium is effectively the interest rate for borrowing
[2016-12-26 14:51:52] esuvari : so in a bull market futures prices tend to be above the spot price
[2016-12-26 14:52:02] mjones : btc working its way back up
[2016-12-26 14:52:25] shery : esuvari: its above now as well
[2016-12-26 14:52:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 9560 @ 968.70
[2016-12-26 14:52:56] mjones : rofl 3,236,511 open contracts on xbth17
[2016-12-26 14:53:01] esuvari : that means people think price will be higher than now on friday
[2016-12-26 14:53:18] ett1 : shery: ye thats what im saying. no funding fees to pay, but it could dip back to lower levels
[2016-12-26 14:53:42] shery : ett1: ah i got it now
[2016-12-26 14:53:51] ett1 : not manipulation, just more buying send the premium higher
[2016-12-26 14:54:05] shery : but it is better to play with xbt17 when market is bullish, that would avoid feeses too righ?
[2016-12-26 14:54:05] ett1 : it was at a discount when things were falling earlier
[2016-12-26 14:54:27] ett1 : and funding was negative - paying longs
[2016-12-26 14:54:54] ett1 : on swaps