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[2016-12-26 09:23:40] shery : 2 hoyrs are away
[2016-12-26 09:23:47] kryptopojken : yeah
[2016-12-26 09:24:15] shery : Might be in that hour it starts moving down
[2016-12-26 09:25:23] shery : No rebound for bitcoin
[2016-12-26 09:25:35] elmorte : kryptopojken: yeah, I get what you mean. It was introduced as an incentive for shorts, as the market is bullish on long term average so no one would open a short then
[2016-12-26 09:26:17] kryptopojken : yeah it does it's job...since it's sooo expensive at times
[2016-12-26 09:26:50] elmorte : and it's determined by the premium over the mark price...so if users were deterred by the funding rate, the premium would decrease
[2016-12-26 09:27:20] kryptopojken : right now premium is nothing
[2016-12-26 09:27:26] kryptopojken : but still next funding is huge
[2016-12-26 09:27:45] elmorte : this funding was determined by the prev 8hr premium :)
[2016-12-26 09:27:50] ett1 : kryptopojken: isnt premium pretty high
[2016-12-26 09:28:08] shery : it might go up too much if bitcoin moves towards 1k
[2016-12-26 09:28:10] kryptopojken : right so it should get really small after this one?
[2016-12-26 09:28:14] shery : may be 1 %
[2016-12-26 09:28:19] kryptopojken : ett1: hmm is it?
[2016-12-26 09:28:25] elmorte : ett1: actually atm we're at a discount
[2016-12-26 09:28:31] kryptopojken : elmorte: exactly
[2016-12-26 09:28:49] ett1 : kryptopojken: not on Dec, but i think march is expensive
[2016-12-26 09:28:53] elmorte : it takes the whole period into account though
[2016-12-26 09:29:00] elmorte : ett1: funding is only on swap
[2016-12-26 09:29:01] kryptopojken : ett1: im talking perpetual
[2016-12-26 09:29:08] ett1 : high funding and high premium becasue bullish sentiment
[2016-12-26 09:30:09] ett1 : elmorte: i meant its cheaper than the funding rate, but i think its relatively higher and will fall
[2016-12-26 09:31:03] shery : Not good for the market, we may move opposite than market if rate remins such high
[2016-12-26 09:32:03] ett1 : it will fall next time theres a dip
[2016-12-26 09:32:20] shery : ett1: fall big , near funding timings
[2016-12-26 09:32:21] ett1 : yesterday longs got paid 0.3% or so
[2016-12-26 09:33:11] happy : 0.2335% means longs get pay or shorts get pay?
[2016-12-26 09:33:50] shery : happy: shorts
[2016-12-26 09:34:54] happy : So longs get money?
[2016-12-26 09:35:03] shery : happy: longs will pay
[2016-12-26 09:35:37] happy : wtf, thank you
[2016-12-26 09:39:57] ett1 : shery: till the market is 3% against them
[2016-12-26 09:40:33] ett1 : perhaps the traders know something...
[2016-12-26 09:45:46] Headroom : I love the name of this chatbox, I came here for the first time 2 fays ago, all the typical comments, errors and all you find everything here :D
[2016-12-26 09:49:33] elmorte : If we ain't got it, you don't want it
[2016-12-26 09:49:50] aethlios : sell 1175-1200, buy back 955. better sell the quarterly since if spot 1175 it can be around 1300, in the correction spread will shrink to 35.
[2016-12-26 09:50:49] elmorte : BTC?
[2016-12-26 09:51:05] shery : aethlios: lets eye 1k first lol
[2016-12-26 09:53:41] aethlios : 1k has a psychological effect because round number, but traders will sell previous ATH as strong resistance from TA perspective. But if we go avove 1000, it can hit 1175 fast and nasty in 2 days.
[2016-12-26 09:54:07] mariomarco : aethlios: first question is can we break 910-920
[2016-12-26 09:54:14] mariomarco : or reclaim rather
[2016-12-26 09:54:18] shery : aethlios: you are correct but 1k is a cyclogical top too it might swing back from there
[2016-12-26 09:55:06] ett1 : is there a TV indicator that can plot 8 hour intervals
[2016-12-26 09:58:21] aethlios : what I am afraid is if btc don't retrace from ATH and pumps through and lose the larger move. so people who builded position in the 600's should sell ATH or not?? because if previous ATH breaks then market gets a huge bull signal.
[2016-12-26 10:00:09] shery : aethlios: I think we could easily watch 1k, with the kinda of buying happening in china, theywont leave it like this in midway! Those whoo are buying madly are buying for a purpose
[2016-12-26 10:00:14] aethlios : but if bought 600's and sell quarterly 1300 and then it retraces to 1000, you lower entry cost from 600's to 300's. and then wait safely to enjoy the break of previous ATH and the new bull rally above. Try to sell 8K to 10K and catch the retrace to 2K.
[2016-12-26 10:01:09] shery : aethlios: If it dumped after hitting 1k , wih huge chin volume so things would be clear to us
[2016-12-26 10:01:58] rms : double top on the 30M?
[2016-12-26 10:02:23] shery : rms: seems like
[2016-12-26 10:02:40] aethlios : shery: above 1000 it will run to 1050 because of panic shorts margin called, then will retrace 970-980 not less, this won't be the major dump, it will be like last to days 70 usd correction and fast trend continuation.
[2016-12-26 10:03:14] shery : aethlios: it will be higly volitile after hitting 1k for sure, moving 20-20 $ in moves
[2016-12-26 10:04:06] Tr : you are already counting them money arent you
[2016-12-26 10:04:08] shery : aethlios: Volume will tell us, the same volum which is buying will dump of for sure
[2016-12-26 10:04:20] aethlios : Now the safest buy price range is 820-840 which could be a new bottom if we dump from 1175, btc correction always above 50% of gains, usually 75%.
[2016-12-26 10:05:30] shery : aethlios: isnt this unusefull before watching 1k??? for now we should be concerned about coming week, i think new years dates are also target , they wanna do it before
[2016-12-26 10:05:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 700 @ 897.97
[2016-12-26 10:06:01] Tr : So if everyone thinks 1000$ is confirmed, doesnt it makes sense to dump right below what everyone thinks would be top
[2016-12-26 10:06:05] Tr : from a game theory prespective
[2016-12-26 10:06:14] aethlios : Tr: in btc it can move for 20 days but most profit will be last 2 days, if you don't get out you van be in a loss because retraces the 75% of the move.
[2016-12-26 10:07:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 9 @ 897.64
[2016-12-26 10:08:09] HoldOn2urShort : Tr +1
[2016-12-26 10:08:21] HoldOn2urShort : Same story every time lol
[2016-12-26 10:09:59] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/T2D9V29W/
[2016-12-26 10:13:47] aethlios : Tr: no because they can run it to 1700 where noone believes it and will all have sold to 1000, shorted 1200, margin called 1450 and went long 1700 to catch the pump to 10,000
[2016-12-26 10:14:58] Tr : thats some nice crystalballing
[2016-12-26 10:21:16] Tr : huobi died?
[2016-12-26 10:21:26] Tr : busted by chinese police finally?
[2016-12-26 10:48:47] l3f : Lol if you all bought all the dips and didn't get shaken out
[2016-12-26 10:48:59] l3f : would be profiting pretty nicely
[2016-12-26 10:49:15] l3f : shame I got stoplossed out
[2016-12-26 10:49:31] l3f : Expect more shakeouts on the run to 1k
[2016-12-26 10:50:56] l3f : China whale has now picked a large btc position to profit and shake the tree as he sees fit
[2016-12-26 10:52:40] mariomarco : hes not shaking hard tho
[2016-12-26 10:52:46] mariomarco : what is this 897 bullshit
[2016-12-26 10:52:48] mariomarco : we need 880
[2016-12-26 10:53:48] deeprocks : haha
[2016-12-26 10:54:08] deeprocks : if it goes 880 my profits will be super high XD
[2016-12-26 10:54:19] deeprocks : sold large at 907
[2016-12-26 10:54:58] mariomarco : sweet
[2016-12-26 11:23:20] Headroom : could we remove the trollbox window from the UI ?
[2016-12-26 11:24:12] elmorte : Headroom: completely?
[2016-12-26 11:24:17] deeprocks : is it possible to have a long and short position at the same time??
[2016-12-26 11:24:25] Headroom : yes elmorte
[2016-12-26 11:24:33] elmorte : deeprocks: not on the same account and same contract
[2016-12-26 11:24:57] deeprocks : elmorte: ohhh guess I will have to make a different account XD
[2016-12-26 11:25:03] deeprocks : thanks!
[2016-12-26 11:25:27] elmorte : Headroom: someone made a CSS workaround a while ago...I don't think it's in the settings
[2016-12-26 11:26:22] Headroom : and I didn't notice it, Ublock will be enough for the moment, thank you
[2016-12-26 11:27:05] Headroom : I'm dreaming for an install version of this
[2016-12-26 11:27:41] elmorte : The chatroom?
[2016-12-26 11:27:54] Headroom : webplatform is for casino, bye guys from trollbox :P
[2016-12-26 11:28:08] elmorte : Godspeed
[2016-12-26 11:28:53] elmorte : I wonder if it works when someone pings you
[2016-12-26 11:28:57] elmorte : Headroom:
[2016-12-26 11:40:07] deeprocks : is it possible to transfer funds to a different account?
[2016-12-26 11:40:45] elmorte : deeprocks: email the support@bitmex.com. They might be able to help
[2016-12-26 11:41:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 50 @ 896.76
[2016-12-26 11:42:42] deeprocks : elmorte: alright thanks!
[2016-12-26 11:44:58] arbitrage001 : hallow
[2016-12-26 11:44:59] arbitrage001 : hallo
[2016-12-26 11:45:05] deeprocks : arbitrage001: hey
[2016-12-26 11:45:12] arbitrage001 : deeprocks: hi
[2016-12-26 11:45:17] arbitrage001 : deeprocks: you know me?
[2016-12-26 11:45:27] deeprocks : nope
[2016-12-26 11:45:46] elmorte : deeprocks arbitrage001
[2016-12-26 11:45:52] elmorte : arbitrage001 deeprocks
[2016-12-26 11:45:55] arbitrage001 : you sound new here
[2016-12-26 11:46:25] deeprocks : arbitrage001: i am
[2016-12-26 11:46:32] deeprocks : elmorte: thansk for the intro :D
[2016-12-26 11:46:37] elmorte : np :)
[2016-12-26 11:47:52] arbitrage001 : the market is killing both bull and bear
[2016-12-26 11:48:10] memes : its a big game hunter
[2016-12-26 11:48:13] deeprocks : then where's the profit going?
[2016-12-26 11:48:24] arbitrage001 : exchange as commision?
[2016-12-26 11:48:36] deeprocks : maybe
[2016-12-26 11:48:50] arbitrage001 : and the funding fee
[2016-12-26 11:49:01] arbitrage001 : going to financers
[2016-12-26 11:51:04] breadfan : will it test 880 or will it go up :(
[2016-12-26 11:51:09] breadfan : hate this suspense
[2016-12-26 11:51:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 100 @ 896.15
[2016-12-26 11:51:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5000 @ 894.33
[2016-12-26 11:51:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5000 @ 893.47
[2016-12-26 11:51:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 30190 @ 893.33
[2016-12-26 11:51:48] Yuppie : Right before funding
[2016-12-26 11:51:52] shery : shorts opejning
[2016-12-26 11:52:08] shery : last 8 mints shorts opened
[2016-12-26 11:52:10] deeprocks : 8 min to funding
[2016-12-26 11:52:48] rapidtrades : weee another sweet funding
[2016-12-26 11:53:08] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: how is your short
[2016-12-26 11:53:16] arbitrage001 : deeprocks: what is your game plan
[2016-12-26 11:53:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 23929 @ 891.72
[2016-12-26 11:53:41] REKT : :roller_coaster: :chart_with_downwards_trend: :japanese_goblin:
[2016-12-26 11:53:43] deeprocks : arbitrage001: currently it including not gonig in los
[2016-12-26 11:53:57] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: it's fine....im only short here tho, not overall
[2016-12-26 11:54:04] rapidtrades : so this isn't making me $$$
[2016-12-26 11:55:12] arbitrage001 : tempted to short right before funding
[2016-12-26 11:55:21] arbitrage001 : since next funding is high also
[2016-12-26 11:55:30] rapidtrades : if u look at weekly charts, there hasn't been s significant red candle since july
[2016-12-26 11:55:48] rapidtrades : even the bitfinex hack was retraced within days
[2016-12-26 11:56:20] rapidtrades : a major correction is overdue...but dunno when and where :)
[2016-12-26 11:56:35] arbitrage001 : still have 2 major short position i need to cover
[2016-12-26 11:56:45] arbitrage001 : and 1 small short position in the low 700
[2016-12-26 11:57:14] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: are u withdrawing what ur earning on finex?
[2016-12-26 11:57:39] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: sold all token and left
[2016-12-26 11:57:50] arbitrage001 : dont think finex outcome is looking bright
[2016-12-26 11:57:55] arbitrage001 : too many competition
[2016-12-26 11:57:58] rapidtrades : ah...so its not u using the tokens to arb?
[2016-12-26 11:58:02] arbitrage001 : and their platform still sux hard time
[2016-12-26 11:58:17] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: not worth any more since funding rate is high
[2016-12-26 11:58:17] rapidtrades : yeah finex is such and clearly faking volume
[2016-12-26 11:58:33] rapidtrades : or including their fake tokens in volume, which is cheating too
[2016-12-26 11:58:55] arbitrage001 : glad i bought a lot in the .3-.4 range
[2016-12-26 11:59:01] arbitrage001 : so my loss is minimize
[2016-12-26 11:59:23] zanza : funding time baby
[2016-12-26 11:59:29] rapidtrades : BRING IT
[2016-12-26 11:59:31] deeprocks : i am going long
[2016-12-26 12:00:12] rapidtrades : CHA-CHING!
[2016-12-26 12:00:26] breadfan : big funding rate means lots of long positions now still?
[2016-12-26 12:00:29] deeprocks : did the funding happen?
[2016-12-26 12:00:35] rapidtrades : JUST NOW YES
[2016-12-26 12:00:40] ett1 : yep
[2016-12-26 12:00:48] rapidtrades : my wallet is now slightly fatter
[2016-12-26 12:01:01] deeprocks : and mine thinner XD
[2016-12-26 12:01:22] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: did you hear slegar the other day, getting 3 btc per day on funding alone
[2016-12-26 12:01:22] Tr : .25 btc from funding not bad
[2016-12-26 12:02:15] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: yeah it's depressing
[2016-12-26 12:02:35] arbitrage001 : people who have capital dont need to work
[2016-12-26 12:02:36] deeprocks : in which case do the shorts have to pay?
[2016-12-26 12:02:51] ett1 : sometime funding is negative
[2016-12-26 12:02:55] breadfan : probably if market is oversold, then the funding rate gets negative
[2016-12-26 12:03:05] deeprocks : ohk
[2016-12-26 12:06:30] memes : by funding you mean lending? Where can I do that on bitmex
[2016-12-26 12:06:46] deeprocks : memes: its not that type of lending
[2016-12-26 12:07:02] deeprocks : it is done by buying or selling contracts
[2016-12-26 12:08:02] rapidtrades : some forex brokers are not even working today...can u believe that entitled shit?
[2016-12-26 12:08:15] mariomarco : rapidtrades: priviledged :D
[2016-12-26 12:08:24] deeprocks : XD
[2016-12-26 12:08:33] mariomarco : white chauvinist male overlord capitalists
[2016-12-26 12:08:37] mariomarco : sexists
[2016-12-26 12:08:38] rapidtrades : by that i mean not even their trading servers are running, not just customer service
[2016-12-26 12:08:38] mariomarco : :P
[2016-12-26 12:09:03] deeprocks : rapidtrades: a break for those servers
[2016-12-26 12:09:09] rapidtrades : looool oanda isn't working either...like wtf ppl
[2016-12-26 12:09:17] breadfan : yeah they dont
[2016-12-26 12:09:21] breadfan : 'holiday schedule'
[2016-12-26 12:10:03] rapidtrades : they could at least let the trading server run and keep 2-3 ppl in ther efor emergencies...like wtf is this shit
[2016-12-26 12:11:27] breadfan : yeah exactly
[2016-12-26 12:11:31] deeprocks : rapidtrades: i tihnk they have such holidays
[2016-12-26 12:11:37] deeprocks : think*
[2016-12-26 12:12:32] rapidtrades : fxopen is working, with some crazy spreads outside euro
[2016-12-26 12:13:33] rapidtrades : 8p on aussie, 11 on cable...wtf
[2016-12-26 12:14:20] breadfan : tomorrow things will probably get back to normal
[2016-12-26 12:15:11] rapidtrades : i had to cycle through a bunch of mt4 before i found one that's running
[2016-12-26 12:15:41] deeprocks : can someone explain unrealised PNL
[2016-12-26 12:16:00] deeprocks : does it include funding??
[2016-12-26 12:16:10] rapidtrades : no
[2016-12-26 12:16:18] ett1 : unrealised is your profit
[2016-12-26 12:16:18] justinlooking : funding applies directly to wallet balance
[2016-12-26 12:16:33] ett1 : funding comes out immediately
[2016-12-26 12:16:38] ett1 : its total is realised
[2016-12-26 12:16:43] deeprocks : okay i was confusing it with my funding XD
[2016-12-26 12:16:48] rapidtrades : funding goes in realised
[2016-12-26 12:16:49] BitMEX_Wally : deeprocks: Unrealised PNL is the difference between your entry price and the current mark price
[2016-12-26 12:16:50] justinlooking : unrealised is the adjusmtent that would be made to wallet if close positions at mark price
[2016-12-26 12:17:07] deeprocks : thanks guys!
[2016-12-26 12:17:12] deeprocks : new to this stuff
[2016-12-26 12:17:26] deeprocks : only did leverage before
[2016-12-26 12:18:06] Tr : But the mark price isnt the same as the market price isnt it
[2016-12-26 12:18:13] Nerve : 890 strong support???
[2016-12-26 12:18:37] deeprocks : Nerve: i want it to rise
[2016-12-26 12:18:49] deeprocks : Tr: mark is based on exchange outside
[2016-12-26 12:19:05] deeprocks : outside bitmex
[2016-12-26 12:19:47] Nerve : deeprocks: me too...my position is on fire ! I mean red
[2016-12-26 12:20:24] shery : Nerve: i am not in a position but i relly want it to go up , this should not stop here
[2016-12-26 12:20:28] deeprocks : Nerve: i went super long whe nit was 890
[2016-12-26 12:22:09] deeprocks : is it possible to see what my profit will be if i close at a certain rate
[2016-12-26 12:22:26] kbrn : use calculator
[2016-12-26 12:22:44] deeprocks : oh yeah XD
[2016-12-26 12:22:49] kbrn : its under bitmex logo
[2016-12-26 12:23:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCT7D`: sell 20 @ 0.002706
[2016-12-26 12:23:04] deeprocks : yeah found it thanks!
[2016-12-26 12:23:47] kbrn : you're welcome
[2016-12-26 12:25:21] Yuppie : Can sb explain to me the funding cap? Ab to what position size to I pay/receive full funding or is it irrelevant? Thy
[2016-12-26 12:25:28] Nerve : shery: so everybody should buy dip ! This is the only way to the new hights
[2016-12-26 12:25:35] Yuppie : Up to what..
[2016-12-26 12:26:30] justinlooking : Yuppie: funding cap isjust the highest the rate can go, you still pay/earn rate on full pos
[2016-12-26 12:28:37] Yuppie : Thx for the answer
[2016-12-26 12:35:25] deeprocks : any hopes for it rising?
[2016-12-26 12:36:04] l3f : nope it's all over
[2016-12-26 12:36:45] shery : l @l3f you said that in sarcasm right??? , you were a strng beeliver of uptrend
[2016-12-26 12:37:09] l3f : of course it is
[2016-12-26 12:37:13] Nerve : He is joking !!!
[2016-12-26 12:37:15] l3f : we're on the right shoulder of an inverse H&s
[2016-12-26 12:37:16] Nerve : Lol
[2016-12-26 12:37:24] deeprocks : wooh
[2016-12-26 12:37:28] deeprocks : i thought u were serious
[2016-12-26 12:37:44] shery : l3f: I thought that for a while too
[2016-12-26 12:37:57] l3f : pattern isn't even complete
[2016-12-26 12:38:00] l3f : we're just speculating the completin
[2016-12-26 12:38:54] l3f : anyways if it preaks past this resistance zone
[2016-12-26 12:38:59] l3f : then we'll be testing 870 again
[2016-12-26 12:39:03] l3f : but this time it will fail
[2016-12-26 12:39:07] l3f : unfortunately
[2016-12-26 12:39:15] shery : l3f: fail to?
[2016-12-26 12:39:32] l3f : if it tests 870 again it I don't think it'll bounce
[2016-12-26 12:39:49] shery : l3f: surely we would be moving downwards than
[2016-12-26 12:40:17] l3f : It's a giant traingle
[2016-12-26 12:40:44] l3f : some people see a giant H&S if 870 gets tested
[2016-12-26 12:40:49] l3f : some people just see the triangle
[2016-12-26 12:41:18] shery : l3f: but I think things would be cleared in an 2-3 hours either it will bounce or fall hard
[2016-12-26 12:41:51] l3f : so dramatic
[2016-12-26 12:45:32] l3f : tbqh
[2016-12-26 12:45:35] l3f : you'd outperform 90% of traders
[2016-12-26 12:45:39] l3f : if you just bought and hold
[2016-12-26 12:46:05] ett1 : and sit through 90 or 50% drawdowns
[2016-12-26 12:46:07] ett1 : and risk it going to 0
[2016-12-26 12:46:36] ett1 : traders might make half as much profit if it goes to $10, but half the losses if it goes to $100
[2016-12-26 12:46:45] ett1 : $10k*
[2016-12-26 12:46:45] cg : It better bounce now..
[2016-12-26 12:47:16] shery : it just cant hover from 6405
[2016-12-26 12:47:19] ett1 : l3f: also, whos heard of bitcoin and going to buy and hold it. traders probably
[2016-12-26 12:47:25] ett1 : all the geeks are building stuff
[2016-12-26 12:47:38] ett1 : and arguing about block size limits
[2016-12-26 12:47:50] ett1 : not speculating on price
[2016-12-26 12:55:39] happy : to da moon
[2016-12-26 13:00:41] deeprocks : thats doge
[2016-12-26 13:00:52] shery : common bitcoin we need a push go up
[2016-12-26 13:02:10] rapidtrades : horrible fx spreads
[2016-12-26 13:05:09] cg : I guess we will see where we go within 30 minutes
[2016-12-26 13:06:33] shery : cg: I think we are bounding
[2016-12-26 13:07:19] deeprocks : cg: 30 min?
[2016-12-26 13:09:08] ett1 : if you get deleveraged, can you just enter back into the same size?
[2016-12-26 13:10:42] Rado : rapidtrades: I thought it's only SImpleFX
[2016-12-26 13:11:11] rapidtrades : Rado: how much on euro?
[2016-12-26 13:11:50] Rado : 57
[2016-12-26 13:11:54] ett1 : rapidtrades: what do u think of H17 premium?
[2016-12-26 13:11:55] shery : yesterday we bounced at this time
[2016-12-26 13:12:26] Rado : rapidtrades: 68 now
[2016-12-26 13:12:33] Rado : can't trade with this spreads
[2016-12-26 13:12:41] rapidtrades : 68 or 6.8?
[2016-12-26 13:13:06] rapidtrades : the 5th decimal is a pipette not a pip
[2016-12-26 13:14:00] rapidtrades : its convention to use pips
[2016-12-26 13:14:22] ett1 : i thouht pip was the smallers
[2016-12-26 13:14:29] Rado : rapidtrades: 1.04444 - 1.04501
[2016-12-26 13:14:41] rapidtrades : it was until few years ago @ett1
[2016-12-26 13:14:55] rapidtrades : then we moved to 5th decimal pricing
[2016-12-26 13:15:05] rapidtrades : but convention remains at 4th
[2016-12-26 13:15:19] ett1 : ok i dont trade fx. still any opportunities compared to crypto?
[2016-12-26 13:15:31] Rado : ett1: yes
[2016-12-26 13:15:35] rapidtrades : a lot less
[2016-12-26 13:15:58] ett1 : suitable for long term holders or do fees eat away
[2016-12-26 13:16:03] rapidtrades : don't touch it until ur consistently making money here
[2016-12-26 13:16:09] Rado : well the moves are still big and you can make a lot with high leverage
[2016-12-26 13:16:15] Rado : SImpleFX has insane 500x
[2016-12-26 13:16:45] Rado : ett1: just for day trading
[2016-12-26 13:16:47] ett1 : i have views on commodities but doesnt seem optimal. im an aggressive long bias btx trader
[2016-12-26 13:16:52] rapidtrades : 500x is high but not insane for fx...most majors move below 1% per day
[2016-12-26 13:16:52] Rado : rapidtrades hold long term
[2016-12-26 13:16:58] ett1 : btc. hold for weeks or months
[2016-12-26 13:17:18] rapidtrades : 100x on bitcoin, now thats insane
[2016-12-26 13:17:52] ett1 : if 100x leverage is nuts, then i dont want to be sane
[2016-12-26 13:18:00] shery : sighns of some movement , common bitcoin you can do it
[2016-12-26 13:18:01] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-12-26 13:18:08] Rado : for my trading the leverage hasn't mean much
[2016-12-26 13:18:40] Rado : I have 50k position and leverage is only 1.55x
[2016-12-26 13:19:01] ett1 : Rado: why not have 5k positions with 15x
[2016-12-26 13:19:07] ett1 : whats the difference to you
[2016-12-26 13:19:29] rapidtrades : im all for high leverage cos i can deposit less but at some point its counter-productive to reconciling trades
[2016-12-26 13:20:12] Rado : ett1: you don't make more when you are on higher leverage
[2016-12-26 13:20:17] Rado : you pay less
[2016-12-26 13:21:01] ett1 : oh ye ofc. but could you not hedge lend the difference
[2016-12-26 13:21:24] cg : thinking this is the bounce
[2016-12-26 13:21:37] ett1 : thats not being used for trading. i suppose that defeats the purpose of what i was getting at (less at risk on the exchange)
[2016-12-26 13:22:04] shery : cg: yess we couldbounce from here
[2016-12-26 13:23:13] ett1 : what happens after a deleveraging
[2016-12-26 13:23:23] ett1 : is it like being margin called - do i lose money
[2016-12-26 13:23:31] ett1 : can i reenter back into the position?
[2016-12-26 13:23:53] Rado : ett1: it's not margin call
[2016-12-26 13:23:56] Rado : you can re enter
[2016-12-26 13:24:04] Rado : it's just closing your position
[2016-12-26 13:24:13] Rado : most likely in profit too
[2016-12-26 13:24:15] rapidtrades : u don;t even pay fees afaik
[2016-12-26 13:24:27] ett1 : ok...whats the worst case. im closed and have to get in at a higher price
[2016-12-26 13:24:32] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, you are closed out at a profit and you earn the maker fee
[2016-12-26 13:24:39] ett1 : or possible closed on low margin and cant get back in the same size?
[2016-12-26 13:25:00] Rado : ett1: don't worry about ADL
[2016-12-26 13:25:10] Rado : worry about your risk and position size
[2016-12-26 13:25:12] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: worst case is say prices crash, ur taken oyt at 870 while prices keep falling to 800 etc
[2016-12-26 13:25:25] rapidtrades : that was reply to ett1
[2016-12-26 13:25:29] ett1 : Rado: im thinking of moving my swap inro a futures position
[2016-12-26 13:25:44] shery : china not moving but we are can anyone explain?
[2016-12-26 13:25:49] ett1 : could i be at more risk of ADL in the futures. is there a risk im not aware of
[2016-12-26 13:25:50] Rado : ett1: if you are holding you should have done that
[2016-12-26 13:26:02] BitMEX_Wally : Last time we had ADL was in November
[2016-12-26 13:26:02] rapidtrades : arbers closing the gap? @shery
[2016-12-26 13:26:04] ett1 : im trying to save funding fess, which i expect to be high if theres a bull marke
[2016-12-26 13:26:16] shery : rapidtrades: what?
[2016-12-26 13:26:18] ett1 : Rado: yes im trying to time it
[2016-12-26 13:26:31] rapidtrades : shery: china us price gap
[2016-12-26 13:26:32] ett1 : Rado: whats your thoughts on H!17 premium
[2016-12-26 13:26:41] ett1 : trending up? or overbought
[2016-12-26 13:27:29] shery : rapidtrades: we follow china usuall but this seems to be not happening
[2016-12-26 13:27:32] ett1 : BitMEX_Wally: what happens when z16 expires
[2016-12-26 13:27:43] ett1 : we have just h16? or theres another contract
[2016-12-26 13:27:44] Rado : ett1: premium is fine
[2016-12-26 13:27:55] Rado : unless you try to hold for 3 months
[2016-12-26 13:28:01] ett1 : thx
[2016-12-26 13:28:16] ett1 : i was woried premium jumped recently and will fall
[2016-12-26 13:28:22] ett1 : so bad time to enter
[2016-12-26 13:28:34] BitMEX_Wally : In march we will list another quarterly
[2016-12-26 13:28:35] ett1 : but it could be running away from me also
[2016-12-26 13:28:50] ett1 : BitMEX_Wally: will there be a Jan 1 month
[2016-12-26 13:29:05] ett1 : so there will be only 1 contract?
[2016-12-26 13:29:12] cg : looks like a good btc bounce :)
[2016-12-26 13:29:15] deeprocks : ett1: there will be a new contract
[2016-12-26 13:29:16] ett1 : Mar17 only?
[2016-12-26 13:29:25] deeprocks : ett1: a new one will come
[2016-12-26 13:29:25] ett1 : deeprocks: what is it
[2016-12-26 13:29:33] ett1 : Jan?
[2016-12-26 13:29:35] deeprocks : ett1: not sure about that but here will be new one
[2016-12-26 13:30:31] deeprocks : nice bounce
[2016-12-26 13:31:19] Rado : ett1: what I do is place a stop order and don't worry about the premium
[2016-12-26 13:31:30] Rado : if I get taken out I try to enter at a better price
[2016-12-26 13:31:48] ett1 : ok id have been better off doing it sooner i think
[2016-12-26 13:31:59] ett1 : will do it in this period
[2016-12-26 13:32:42] ett1 : but im looking to exxit when i think theres a bullback. getting in the futures was too risky for me so far
[2016-12-26 13:32:54] rapidtrades : there's no sadder meal then cereal with nothing added
[2016-12-26 13:33:18] rapidtrades : feels like prison food
[2016-12-26 13:33:34] ett1 : add your own milk
[2016-12-26 13:33:54] rapidtrades : sadly i don't have a cow
[2016-12-26 13:33:56] Rado : see my chart
[2016-12-26 13:33:56] Rado : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/fvJIDqlJ-BTC-new-highs-coming/
[2016-12-26 13:34:26] ett1 : rapidtrades: i heard your moms lactating
[2016-12-26 13:34:33] Rado : I am the oracle
[2016-12-26 13:35:05] deeprocks : Rado: lets see :D
[2016-12-26 13:35:21] deeprocks : Rado: but i hope that charts proves to be correct
[2016-12-26 13:35:22] ett1 : Rado: nice. saw that earlier
[2016-12-26 13:35:31] Rado : rapidtrades: no food delivery?
[2016-12-26 13:37:09] deeprocks : Rado: ur prediction is a bit delayed i guess
[2016-12-26 13:37:19] rapidtrades : they don't deliver in the ghetto
[2016-12-26 13:37:26] Rado : deeprocks: how do you mean?
[2016-12-26 13:37:31] Rado : click on the play to see
[2016-12-26 13:37:38] rapidtrades : and ts raining so don't feel like going out
[2016-12-26 13:38:04] Rado : rapidtrades: where are you?
[2016-12-26 13:38:12] Rado : give me a hint :-)
[2016-12-26 13:38:14] rapidtrades : im here yo
[2016-12-26 13:38:37] deeprocks : Rado: i mean its a bit late than the chart
[2016-12-26 13:39:35] Rado : rapidtrades: how can I visit you on my world trip if I don't know where you are
[2016-12-26 13:40:22] rapidtrades : we'll be in touch in private
[2016-12-26 13:40:44] Rado : I am leaving Feb 9
[2016-12-26 13:40:46] rapidtrades : i mostly bounce around south/southest europe
[2016-12-26 13:40:56] Rado : nice
[2016-12-26 13:41:03] Rado : I will be there for a month
[2016-12-26 13:41:07] rapidtrades : plan to hit asian once account grows more
[2016-12-26 13:41:12] deeprocks : Rado: wow world tour?
[2016-12-26 13:41:14] Rado : but it will be all the way in July/August
[2016-12-26 13:42:02] Rado : deeprocks: yes - 6 months initially
[2016-12-26 13:42:21] rapidtrades : thats a good time to visit, altho its a bit crowded
[2016-12-26 13:42:39] rapidtrades : in the touristy cities
[2016-12-26 13:42:57] ett1 : rapidtrades: asians cheap dude
[2016-12-26 13:43:25] rapidtrades : not the good part like japan, hk etc
[2016-12-26 13:43:27] Rado : we will stay in less populated areas
[2016-12-26 13:43:39] ett1 : bkk?
[2016-12-26 13:43:45] ett1 : ah ok
[2016-12-26 13:45:34] rapidtrades : finex token longers still leading us higher
[2016-12-26 13:46:24] rapidtrades : 14.9k volume compared to 4.4k on btce
[2016-12-26 13:46:31] rapidtrades : volume so fake
[2016-12-26 13:46:59] Rado : rapidtrades: what do you think about this USDJPY chart? https://www.tradingview.com/chart/USDJPY/4LxlYQZR-USDJPY-SOME-RESISTANCE-LEVELS-COMING/
[2016-12-26 13:47:25] ett1 : bitfinex are shady fuckers
[2016-12-26 13:49:25] Rado : rapidtrades: did you know BTCE is Ukrainian and located in Bulgaria
[2016-12-26 13:49:59] rapidtrades : allegedly
[2016-12-26 13:50:11] elmorte : lol
[2016-12-26 13:50:19] rapidtrades : i heard russian not ukranian
[2016-12-26 13:52:01] rapidtrades : bitstamp has even lower volume at 3.6k
[2016-12-26 13:52:24] rapidtrades : smth is up over at finexland
[2016-12-26 13:53:13] Rado : BTCC has a mobile app now
[2016-12-26 13:53:26] elmorte : Maybe the hacker is going long before he returns the coins
[2016-12-26 13:53:39] ett1 : hahaha
[2016-12-26 13:54:09] ett1 : i think he'd be in touch to tell us his plan and negotiate a good rate
[2016-12-26 13:54:33] elmorte : Rado: in English?
[2016-12-26 13:54:39] rapidtrades : ppl would sue so hard if that happened and they got nothing back
[2016-12-26 13:54:50] ett1 : rapidtrades: they didnt last time
[2016-12-26 13:54:53] Rado : not sure
[2016-12-26 13:55:10] ett1 : theyre untoichable. they will pull off another deca million dollar fraud
[2016-12-26 13:55:18] rapidtrades : a lot didn't cos they thought there was nothing to get
[2016-12-26 13:55:29] ett1 : there wasnt. the money had been mixed
[2016-12-26 13:55:32] ett1 : and withdrawn
[2016-12-26 13:55:54] ett1 : should have found out who was in charge of the wallets and handcuffed him before money was moved
[2016-12-26 13:56:06] ett1 : wasnt theirs to distribute
[2016-12-26 13:56:21] ett1 : no oversight or proof of a hack, unlike in a bankruptcy
[2016-12-26 13:57:03] ett1 : anyone who trades on bitfinex now is retarded
[2016-12-26 14:06:21] deeprocks : ett1: i actually lost my coins in bitfinex in the hack
[2016-12-26 14:06:28] deeprocks : since then totally stopped
[2016-12-26 14:07:07] deeprocks : it was a sad coincidence i deposited and next day coins gone
[2016-12-26 14:07:11] shery : what a big order
[2016-12-26 14:07:27] ett1 : deeprocks: you lost everything? i thought just 36%
[2016-12-26 14:07:36] ett1 : 'just' :/
[2016-12-26 14:07:38] deeprocks : ett1: not everything
[2016-12-26 14:07:53] deeprocks : ett1: i had just deposit one day before hack
[2016-12-26 14:07:56] ett1 : oh you deposited day before
[2016-12-26 14:07:58] deeprocks : not even whole 24 hrs
[2016-12-26 14:07:59] ett1 : that sucks man
[2016-12-26 14:08:04] thomaskikansha : 900k bid lol\
[2016-12-26 14:08:11] deeprocks : damn that buy order
[2016-12-26 14:08:17] ett1 : i like to be long or flat for long times
[2016-12-26 14:08:20] shery : thomaskikansha: could be a short
[2016-12-26 14:08:23] ett1 : i can keep money in my waller
[2016-12-26 14:08:27] rapidtrades : so how did u 'lose everything'
[2016-12-26 14:08:31] ett1 : or put on a short here with a small %
[2016-12-26 14:08:40] ett1 : saves from exchange risk and works for my timeframe
[2016-12-26 14:08:45] rapidtrades : he's just painting the orderbook to get his shorts filled
[2016-12-26 14:08:50] ett1 : im gambling right now tho haha
[2016-12-26 14:09:05] rapidtrades : if he wanted to get that filled he would go at mid price or better
[2016-12-26 14:09:44] thomaskikansha : spot going up though
[2016-12-26 14:10:58] aethlios : nasty trading as approaching 1000 and above that.
[2016-12-26 14:11:20] rapidtrades : there won't be above 1,000..not for long anyway
[2016-12-26 14:11:30] aethlios : anyone with heart problems better just watch from distance.
[2016-12-26 14:11:41] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-12-26 14:11:58] ett1 : is there charts for historic premium
[2016-12-26 14:12:03] ett1 : and for historic funding rate
[2016-12-26 14:12:09] arbitrage001 : think we might hit historical new high
[2016-12-26 14:12:29] ett1 : thats what im trading for @arbitrage001
[2016-12-26 14:12:52] ett1 : arbitrage001: whats your thought on premium
[2016-12-26 14:12:57] ett1 : too high or fine
[2016-12-26 14:13:02] shery : haha look at order ar 905
[2016-12-26 14:13:03] rapidtrades : get real ppl, we're almost at 50% gains since this no retracement rally started
[2016-12-26 14:13:06] aethlios : 2 whales fighting in bitmex's orderbook
[2016-12-26 14:13:06] ett1 : its jumped a lot recently
[2016-12-26 14:13:12] arbitrage001 : not that hard to pump when there are so much money around
[2016-12-26 14:13:31] ett1 : cant tell if its overbought or for good reason its rising
[2016-12-26 14:13:36] ett1 : (if bullish)
[2016-12-26 14:13:46] arbitrage001 : ett1: there are always convervative traders who will settle for 7% for 3 months
[2016-12-26 14:13:52] justinlooking : how much was on offer there?
[2016-12-26 14:13:57] justinlooking : 400k or less?
[2016-12-26 14:14:01] arbitrage001 : close to 30% annually
[2016-12-26 14:14:04] aethlios : 500k
[2016-12-26 14:14:07] justinlooking : ty
[2016-12-26 14:14:31] ett1 : arbitrage001: ye thats good for me. i just didnt know if it could dip to 4-5% in a day for example
[2016-12-26 14:14:43] ett1 : that would hurt if i moved from swaps into futures now
[2016-12-26 14:15:18] rapidtrades : if we go down long-dated futures will fall further then swap
[2016-12-26 14:15:19] aethlios : whales will pump it to the core and dump it to the floor, margin calls for everyone.....
[2016-12-26 14:15:47] arbitrage001 : aethlios: seem like the goal for every whale
[2016-12-26 14:16:34] justinlooking : bitmex ur testnet is f\/cked i think
[2016-12-26 14:17:18] Rado : justinlooking: in what way?
[2016-12-26 14:17:22] justinlooking : derpderp looking at perp 1x with no quotes..
[2016-12-26 14:18:23] Rado : that contract is experimental I think
[2016-12-26 14:18:37] Rado : I guess they didn't add the stupid bot on there
[2016-12-26 14:26:24] ett1 : aethlios: ur saying perp is less likely to spike
[2016-12-26 14:27:12] aethlios : quarterly will spike more
[2016-12-26 14:28:55] ett1 : on 15m or could it affect like daily / 4hr positions
[2016-12-26 14:29:24] ett1 : its seems i should move my perp into futures but what you say scares me a bit
[2016-12-26 14:34:23] l3f : quarterlies is such a joke
[2016-12-26 14:34:37] l3f : huge spread
[2016-12-26 14:34:40] l3f : no liquidity
[2016-12-26 14:34:42] l3f : retarded prices
[2016-12-26 14:34:46] l3f : nty
[2016-12-26 14:36:09] shery : l3f: no liquidation in quatarly
[2016-12-26 14:36:21] l3f : shery: there sure is
[2016-12-26 14:37:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 302 @ 0.007990