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[2016-12-25 12:38:19] abz : immackay: Check the Orderbook.
[2016-12-25 12:39:48] immackay : abz: not what I meant
[2016-12-25 13:00:27] BitMEX_Wally : immackay: In the last hour of takers, XBTZ16 has been 56% buys, XBTH17 has been 42% buys, XBTUSD has been 34% buys
[2016-12-25 13:02:09] rapidtrades : wow
[2016-12-25 13:02:33] rapidtrades : arbers closed that gap huh
[2016-12-25 13:03:27] ytaews : the Z16s discount?
[2016-12-25 13:06:19] immackay : BitMEX_Wally: thank you
[2016-12-25 13:38:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: buy 23600 @ 872.14
[2016-12-25 13:40:09] startChat : BitMEX_Wally: is this publicly available?
[2016-12-25 13:40:32] BitMEX_Wally : startChat: Yes you can look at the trade feed, we publish if it was a buy or sell
[2016-12-25 13:40:55] startChat : need mexdata.com
[2016-12-25 13:41:09] immackay : startChat: yup haha
[2016-12-25 13:55:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCZ16`: buy 7000 @ 6294.9
[2016-12-25 14:03:57] Zar600 : I entered the market at 871.55 with a sell position, I put a buy stop buy at 874.55 and a take profit limit sell at 877.55. Both others were accepted but when the market reversed it skipped the buy order and executed the sell other increasing my sell position at an unfavorable price. I checked history and saw the buy order was rejected. I don't understand the rejection
[2016-12-25 14:09:15] BitMEX_Wally : Zar600: Let me check for you
[2016-12-25 14:11:13] Zar600 : Please do
[2016-12-25 14:16:27] l3f : Fuck
[2016-12-25 14:16:29] l3f : guys I fucked up
[2016-12-25 14:16:34] l3f : but I stoplossed out
[2016-12-25 14:16:40] l3f : trade responsibly
[2016-12-25 14:17:01] ett1 : l3f: yes it was painful to hold my long, but i think its turning
[2016-12-25 14:17:16] ett1 : would love to hava added some here but a bit too much risk already for that
[2016-12-25 14:17:26] l3f : ett1: I think H&S forming again on hourly
[2016-12-25 14:17:37] l3f : right shoulder being created right now
[2016-12-25 14:18:37] ett1 : just i didnt think it would get back up as quick as it fell. i though it was a shame to lose the momentum but didint sell
[2016-12-25 14:19:08] l3f : I had to go find my gf and closed a bunch of losing longs
[2016-12-25 14:19:21] ett1 : ye thanks its worth keeping an eye on that H&S
[2016-12-25 14:19:23] l3f : because I was going to be out all day and can't watch this bullshit
[2016-12-25 14:21:26] Freewizard : Better selling than making stupid decisions via phone without thinking
[2016-12-25 14:21:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: sell 20 @ 0.00000733
[2016-12-25 14:22:34] Freewizard : Painc sell is being settled
[2016-12-25 14:26:11] BitMEX_Wally : Zar600: I see you were short 2 contracts of XBTUSD at 868.55 and with 100x leverage your liquidation price was 872.89. You had a stop order to buy 6 contracts with a trigger price of 871.55. As this was buying 6 when you were only short 2 it was an order that would increase your position from -2 to +4
[2016-12-25 14:27:36] BitMEX_Wally : If you wanted to take profit on a short position then you would want a buy order, not a sell order
[2016-12-25 14:28:31] BitMEX_Wally : If you want to make sure that a Stop order or a Take Profit order does not increase your position then please tick the 'Close on Trigger' checkbox when submitting the order. This will make sure it only reduces your position and it will cancel any other open orders
[2016-12-25 14:29:18] sleger : Doubt the commission earned by someone trading 2 contracts is worth the time spent answering their questions
[2016-12-25 14:29:48] BitMEX_Wally : sleger: It's called customer service. Alien concept in France :P
[2016-12-25 14:30:01] ett1 : hahah thats why i was thinking
[2016-12-25 14:30:03] sleger : never heard of that shit
[2016-12-25 14:30:12] ett1 : make sure you diversify
[2016-12-25 14:30:21] ett1 : dont invest it all in the one market
[2016-12-25 14:30:31] billyboy402 : 2 contract @ 100x ... so the guy has les then $0.20 in there account lol
[2016-12-25 14:31:01] sleger : not necessarily but still
[2016-12-25 14:31:04] ett1 : im litterlally laughing so hard im dribbling
[2016-12-25 14:31:26] ett1 : made my day
[2016-12-25 14:32:36] billyboy402 : i wouldnt even think that the min i would trade is 10 = $10 worth . be better to grow rice then the trade any thing less
[2016-12-25 14:32:39] immackay : BitMEX_Wally: that's some quality service there
[2016-12-25 14:33:02] sleger : nothing comes for free, someone is paying for it
[2016-12-25 14:33:30] BitMEX_Wally : Merry Christmas everyone
[2016-12-25 14:33:53] sleger : that too, merry Xmas
[2016-12-25 14:35:19] immackay : Merry Christmas to you too Wally
[2016-12-25 14:35:28] immackay : hopefully I get some christmas luck
[2016-12-25 14:35:31] immackay : doubt it though
[2016-12-25 14:35:54] immackay : anyways I'm out for today
[2016-12-25 14:40:57] Zar600 : The stop buy was meant to take advantage of the market reversal and I didn't click the close on trigger because I knew that the 6 contract buy would reverse the -2 sell to + 4 and the following -4 sell which was executed was to take profit on the +4 by closing it so my question is still why the +6 buy was skipped and -4 executed, was it a bug or because the market rose almost instantly?
[2016-12-25 14:43:35] sleger : maybe it's because the orders were too small ?
[2016-12-25 14:44:43] memes : lol xmr reached 11$ on polo, someone must have made a big market buy order cos it promptly dropped after xD
[2016-12-25 14:45:29] Zar600 : I used 2 contracts cos am perfecting a strategy before placing lager trade, so it's not about the commission Bitmex earns for now as someone remarked my questions are not worth answering
[2016-12-25 14:46:05] sleger : why not using 1 then
[2016-12-25 14:46:30] shery : seems like btc bottom is reached
[2016-12-25 14:47:03] memes : its been static all day :(
[2016-12-25 14:47:33] Zar600 : I was using 1 but entered 2 in error so had to proceed
[2016-12-25 14:48:58] sleger : no need to justify yourself
[2016-12-25 14:49:08] sleger : great support is provided to poor customers too ;)
[2016-12-25 14:49:43] Zar600 : I just want to understand if that sequence is always rejected so I don't start a large bet with it
[2016-12-25 14:50:00] sleger : large ? 12 contracts ?
[2016-12-25 14:50:58] ett1 : the beuty of bitcoin & bitmex is you can invest with any amount
[2016-12-25 14:51:20] ett1 : maybe hes trying to compound it
[2016-12-25 14:51:49] rapidtrades : wtf sleger it's Christmas
[2016-12-25 14:55:50] sleger : I was trying to be nice
[2016-12-25 14:56:02] sleger : save support time for worthy customers
[2016-12-25 14:59:06] Tr : is it good idea to do 100x long here because bottom is confirmed?
[2016-12-25 14:59:25] ett1 : if you think its a turning point yes
[2016-12-25 14:59:30] shery : Tr: nops avoid 100 x
[2016-12-25 14:59:39] ett1 : you need turning point or follow thru
[2016-12-25 14:59:51] ett1 : if you don thtink it will go back below your entry
[2016-12-25 15:00:05] ett1 : its a good time
[2016-12-25 15:01:20] rapidtrades : at current premium wont he get rekted in 2 adverse move
[2016-12-25 15:02:05] ett1 : if bmx converges to stamp you mean
[2016-12-25 15:02:23] ett1 : not if bmx is leading and it actually is the bottom
[2016-12-25 15:02:48] ett1 : stamp will come up to meet mex
[2016-12-25 15:02:52] ett1 : not mex coming down
[2016-12-25 15:03:12] rapidtrades : oh im sure
[2016-12-25 15:03:51] rapidtrades : that we'll never see $1000 again
[2016-12-25 15:05:13] memes : Tr: if you have to ask questions like that you shouldnt be using 100x
[2016-12-25 15:05:32] ett1 : how can you be so sure. it seems like a strong possibility
[2016-12-25 15:05:57] ett1 : scpome acet tha 100x is a gample
[2016-12-25 15:06:24] memes : yeah its a big gample
[2016-12-25 15:06:36] ett1 : sorry about typos
[2016-12-25 15:06:44] memes : I've been trading on 25x which is pretty alright
[2016-12-25 15:07:09] HoldOn2urShort : 100x or go home
[2016-12-25 15:07:16] HoldOn2urShort : :)
[2016-12-25 15:07:32] Tr : i need 1000x
[2016-12-25 15:07:38] memes : you must be the guy we see losing shorts on bitmexrekt
[2016-12-25 15:07:39] memes : xD
[2016-12-25 15:07:45] BitMEX_Wally : Zar600: In this case the Stop buy order for 6 was rejected with the message "Executing at order price would lead to immediate liquidation" because the offer price was more than 0.50% above the mark price
[2016-12-25 15:08:05] BitMEX_Wally : Zar600: Please switch leverage to Cross or 50x
[2016-12-25 15:08:35] HoldOn2urShort : Don't let my name fool you
[2016-12-25 15:08:45] HoldOn2urShort : 100x long made me some good profit
[2016-12-25 15:09:01] HoldOn2urShort : scared money don't make none memes
[2016-12-25 15:09:02] memes : i'm just playin'
[2016-12-25 15:09:11] Zar600 : Thank u very much, my question answered
[2016-12-25 15:12:43] ett1 : BitMEX_Wally: i havnt been watching for long, but funding rate on swaps seemed really high compared to holding futures. couldnt you earn risk free interst by shorting swap & longing equal futures. what am i missing
[2016-12-25 15:15:12] rapidtrades : Rado: still long? @sleger
[2016-12-25 15:16:07] sleger : ett1: half a brain ?
[2016-12-25 15:16:43] ett1 : what do i not get
[2016-12-25 15:17:09] sleger : chat answers are limited to 15000 characters sorry
[2016-12-25 15:17:22] sleger : rapidtrades: yes
[2016-12-25 15:18:42] rapidtrades : why?
[2016-12-25 15:20:07] ett1 : sleger: you dont want everyone to know?
[2016-12-25 15:20:28] sleger : everything is public knowledge, nothing to hide
[2016-12-25 15:20:49] BitMEX_Wally : ett1: Yes you can do that, you are trading the risk of a fixed interest rate vs a floating interest rate
[2016-12-25 15:21:08] Rado : rapidtrades: I was out, but just bought some XBTH17 at 920
[2016-12-25 15:21:19] Rado : only 50
[2016-12-25 15:21:33] rapidtrades : 50'k?
[2016-12-25 15:21:37] Rado : yes
[2016-12-25 15:21:38] ett1 : ok by doing that im betting on the funding rate staying high or increasing basically
[2016-12-25 15:21:54] ett1 : whereas it could go the other way
[2016-12-25 15:22:21] rapidtrades : ett1: ADL
[2016-12-25 15:22:22] Rado : rapidtrades: my bot hasn't blown up yet
[2016-12-25 15:22:55] Rado : it's up 0.01
[2016-12-25 15:23:01] Rado : no idea if that's good or not
[2016-12-25 15:23:15] Rado : for current market conditions
[2016-12-25 15:23:18] rapidtrades : give it time, it will blow up
[2016-12-25 15:23:22] ett1 : rapidtrades: thanks i need to look into this more
[2016-12-25 15:23:38] weather b0y4 : guys, new money hitting exchanges tomorrow = up up up
[2016-12-25 15:23:50] Rado : rapidtrades: thanks of the encouraging words
[2016-12-25 15:24:19] rapidtrades : actually the 26th is a holiday in most places so UR WRONG @weather b0y4
[2016-12-25 15:24:31] ett1 : ADL benefits who?
[2016-12-25 15:24:31] weather b0y4 : hmm
[2016-12-25 15:24:39] ett1 : shorts or longs
[2016-12-25 15:24:48] weather b0y4 : well maybe tuesday then
[2016-12-25 15:25:12] rapidtrades : ett1: click on the f*Cking lights
[2016-12-25 15:26:06] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: what happens to ZEC insurance fund once dec31 expires?
[2016-12-25 15:26:49] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: It goes into the March 31 ZEC contract
[2016-12-25 15:27:12] ett1 : i still dont understand whether ADL benefits longs or shorts more
[2016-12-25 15:27:26] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: ok tnx
[2016-12-25 15:27:29] Angelika : ett1: It's not there to benefit anyone
[2016-12-25 15:27:54] Angelika : it's for making sure the losses are dealt with
[2016-12-25 15:28:06] Angelika : some bozo like you might bet 20 BTC on 100X
[2016-12-25 15:28:12] ett1 : ok mut i mean like funding rate 'benefits' shorts
[2016-12-25 15:28:17] Angelika : if they get liquidated who pays for it?
[2016-12-25 15:28:25] ett1 : does ADL have anything like that
[2016-12-25 15:28:30] Angelika : no
[2016-12-25 15:28:43] Angelika : ADL is just to balance things out
[2016-12-25 15:28:48] ett1 : ok, so swaps i might be delevered, futures i cant
[2016-12-25 15:28:50] rapidtrades : ett1: not really, in practice maybe but that's not part of the design
[2016-12-25 15:29:01] ett1 : ok thx
[2016-12-25 15:29:03] rapidtrades : re swap interest rates
[2016-12-25 15:29:25] Angelika : you can get deleveraged on any contract
[2016-12-25 15:29:54] ett1 : thx
[2016-12-25 15:30:25] ett1 : all lights mean my % chance of being delevered is what
[2016-12-25 15:30:30] ett1 : like 50%?
[2016-12-25 15:30:37] ett1 : or 10%
[2016-12-25 15:30:48] laisee : pretty good
[2016-12-25 15:31:04] elmorte : Yeah, I'd take that bet
[2016-12-25 15:31:10] ett1 : and it would close all the position of a portion
[2016-12-25 15:31:23] ett1 : or*
[2016-12-25 15:32:32] laisee : until the guy on the other end is nit overleveraged
[2016-12-25 15:32:35] rapidtrades : anyway my point was it's not a risk free arb cos bitcoin futures always carry a risk...either clawbacks or ADL
[2016-12-25 15:32:50] elmorte : Can you see the insurance fund per contract?
[2016-12-25 15:32:55] rapidtrades : not yet
[2016-12-25 15:33:03] rapidtrades : hope they implement this soon
[2016-12-25 15:33:11] elmorte : Then that aggregate is pretty useless
[2016-12-25 15:33:20] ett1 : laisee: so a portion at first but posibbly all?
[2016-12-25 15:33:58] rapidtrades : elmorte: well u know +100 BTC is from ZEC...so fund is not that big right now
[2016-12-25 15:34:07] laisee : yes. as its called - deleveraging.
[2016-12-25 15:34:15] elmorte : I didn't..thanks
[2016-12-25 15:34:24] rapidtrades : likely most of that 50 btc is on swap
[2016-12-25 15:34:30] ett1 : deleveraging could happen if i wasnt close to my own stop, but others were getting REKT right?
[2016-12-25 15:34:41] rapidtrades : yes
[2016-12-25 15:34:42] laisee : rapidtrades: u funded the insurance from ur ZEC days ...
[2016-12-25 15:34:43] ett1 : only happens in adverse conditions
[2016-12-25 15:34:51] laisee : yup
[2016-12-25 15:35:03] ett1 : ok cool, got it. thanks a lot
[2016-12-25 15:35:07] laisee : got ADL'ed multiple times on ZEC
[2016-12-25 15:35:10] rapidtrades : also ADL usually happens when ur profit
[2016-12-25 15:35:11] elmorte : I had all 5 lights on earlier, and position was in a loss....
[2016-12-25 15:35:28] elmorte : I thought....yeah, what rapid just said
[2016-12-25 15:35:33] ett1 : all lights means all green?
[2016-12-25 15:35:35] rapidtrades : but if ur arbing, one part of the trade will always be in profit
[2016-12-25 15:35:38] weather b0y4 : where d i see these lights? under the contract details?
[2016-12-25 15:35:39] ett1 : i have a last yelloe
[2016-12-25 15:35:44] elmorte : ett1: flashing red
[2016-12-25 15:35:45] ett1 : in the example it has last one red
[2016-12-25 15:35:58] rapidtrades : yeah thats confusing...I asked them to keep em save color
[2016-12-25 15:35:59] elmorte : It's brown on my screen
[2016-12-25 15:36:00] ett1 : ok so yellow is fine
[2016-12-25 15:36:07] rapidtrades : same color*
[2016-12-25 15:36:14] laisee : orderbook top right under the settings icon
[2016-12-25 15:36:26] ett1 : meybe they should make it like a slider or something
[2016-12-25 15:36:28] rapidtrades : or make them on/off only not transparent
[2016-12-25 15:36:36] ett1 : more intuitive
[2016-12-25 15:37:06] rapidtrades : i would prefer a 1-10 number tbh but i guess this 'looks prettier'
[2016-12-25 15:37:24] elmorte : Yeah, it's less confusing
[2016-12-25 15:37:41] elmorte : Just wish I knew what it meant
[2016-12-25 15:37:48] laisee : 44 point font spelling out ADL in either green or red, according to your position/
[2016-12-25 15:38:00] ett1 : i guess when youve got one coming, not much you can do but hope for a rebound is that right
[2016-12-25 15:38:21] rapidtrades : u can make two accounts and trade ur ADL
[2016-12-25 15:38:31] elmorte : Size of the font should be proportional to your chance of getting ADLd
[2016-12-25 15:38:40] rapidtrades : that will incur a small trading cost
[2016-12-25 15:38:51] rapidtrades : and some idiot can hit ur bid before u do
[2016-12-25 15:39:02] rapidtrades : ask sleger he's the expert on this
[2016-12-25 15:39:18] laisee : have u tried this winning strategy, rapids?
[2016-12-25 15:39:26] rapidtrades : not yet
[2016-12-25 15:39:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 500 @ 926.86
[2016-12-25 15:40:07] rapidtrades : all the new chicks here are sleger's ADL accounts
[2016-12-25 15:40:10] laisee : sounds like an old bitmex traders myth imo
[2016-12-25 15:40:32] ett1 : sounds like trying to force or manipulate the market
[2016-12-25 15:40:35] rapidtrades : it's not a myth sleger does it
[2016-12-25 15:40:43] ett1 : is that the idea
[2016-12-25 15:40:58] ett1 : or did i not understand what you menat by trading your ADL
[2016-12-25 15:41:11] Angelika : 870k bid
[2016-12-25 15:41:27] shery : thats too big
[2016-12-25 15:41:49] rapidtrades : it costs 0.05% per trade but perhaps that's cheaper then re-entering his big size
[2016-12-25 15:41:51] shery : must be awhale or 100x trade
[2016-12-25 15:41:54] laisee : go 100X1 using 1BTC and let ADL handle the worst case?
[2016-12-25 15:42:18] rapidtrades : yeah if that's the case we'll see some fireworks soon
[2016-12-25 15:42:20] ett1 : ADL happens to those closest / next to being stopped out? or it could happen if the market is far away from your own liquidation
[2016-12-25 15:42:41] rapidtrades : ADL usually happens to ppl in profit
[2016-12-25 15:42:45] weather b0y4 : hmmm, i am at 3 a yllow
[2016-12-25 15:42:55] aethlios : the 1 million dollar bid, I welcome large traders!
[2016-12-25 15:42:59] ett1 : rapidtrades: so your hedged if the other account reduces its size?
[2016-12-25 15:43:21] elmorte : You split the risk
[2016-12-25 15:43:23] shery : that order is big
[2016-12-25 15:43:28] ett1 : haha nice. i want to have a million dollar position some day
[2016-12-25 15:43:52] thomaskikansha : ...and its pulled
[2016-12-25 15:43:58] shery : gone
[2016-12-25 15:44:16] anondran : fake
[2016-12-25 15:44:16] rapidtrades : ofc it's gone....prolly a shortie filling his asks
[2016-12-25 15:44:29] rapidtrades : u schmucks
[2016-12-25 15:44:59] ett1 : rapidtrades: if theres a bull market, i bet bitmex leads and stays at premium
[2016-12-25 15:44:59] Angelika : rapidtrades: who trades based on bids in the order book?
[2016-12-25 15:45:07] ett1 : watch and see if im right
[2016-12-25 15:45:10] rapidtrades : Angelika: bots
[2016-12-25 15:45:21] shery : shorts might close now so we may up quickly in bitmex
[2016-12-25 15:45:35] ett1 : Angelika: ye best just to ignore it
[2016-12-25 15:45:38] rapidtrades : wow btce down to 845
[2016-12-25 15:46:35] rapidtrades : maybe it's time i revisit the old site
[2016-12-25 15:46:49] elmorte : Ah crap, I got 5 lights again
[2016-12-25 15:47:13] ett1 : elmorte: your short right?
[2016-12-25 15:47:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2369 @ 872.66
[2016-12-25 15:47:28] ett1 : are you close to your stops / liq
[2016-12-25 15:47:29] laisee : are they flashing?
[2016-12-25 15:47:30] elmorte : This is on my long
[2016-12-25 15:47:40] ett1 : hmm
[2016-12-25 15:47:43] elmorte : laisee: siren too
[2016-12-25 15:47:59] elmorte : ett1: no, nowhere near
[2016-12-25 15:48:00] laisee : oh, thats not good :-/
[2016-12-25 15:48:03] ett1 : im trying to understand how this works. you are liong BTC so going more in profit
[2016-12-25 15:48:14] shery : upward push
[2016-12-25 15:48:27] laisee : and someone is getting further in loss
[2016-12-25 15:48:37] shery : we need one more good geen to touch 880
[2016-12-25 15:49:13] elmorte : ett1: I had all lights on earlier lb the same position when it was in the red...So fck if I know
[2016-12-25 15:49:42] elmorte : On the same position*
[2016-12-25 15:49:52] ett1 : elmorte: ok so its not when you are close to liq but other traders trigger ADL so your close sooner
[2016-12-25 15:50:01] ett1 : its the other side of the coin
[2016-12-25 15:50:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 5123 @ 874.37
[2016-12-25 15:50:18] thomaskikansha : back to 6300
[2016-12-25 15:50:22] elmorte : I think it's when other traders are closer to liqdn
[2016-12-25 15:50:35] ett1 : elmorte: ok lets pray it doesnt happen to me im kinda confused
[2016-12-25 15:50:43] ett1 : can i ask what instrument
[2016-12-25 15:50:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 16000 @ 874.99
[2016-12-25 15:50:50] elmorte : But it would really suck to get ADLd while in the loss
[2016-12-25 15:50:57] elmorte : China March
[2016-12-25 15:51:21] ett1 : is one more at succeptable to ADL happening than others. like
[2016-12-25 15:51:39] thomaskikansha : no ADL as there is insurance fund?
[2016-12-25 15:51:56] elmorte : thomaskikansha: but we're not sure how much per contract
[2016-12-25 15:51:56] ett1 : elmorte: what contract is it
[2016-12-25 15:52:10] elmorte : China March dude
[2016-12-25 15:53:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 500 @ 876.94
[2016-12-25 15:54:22] weather b0y4 : ok, ill cross my fingers i dont get liquidated and leave =)
[2016-12-25 15:54:32] weather b0y4 : gl all
[2016-12-25 15:55:25] ett1 : elmorte: are you trading on high leverage
[2016-12-25 15:55:54] shery : shorts liuidation starting
[2016-12-25 15:56:28] ett1 : just tryig to understand when its more likely to happen
[2016-12-25 15:58:36] elmorte : ett1: 7.05 atm. I'm on Cross
[2016-12-25 15:58:46] elmorte : My leverage has nothing to do with my ADL
[2016-12-25 15:59:13] ett1 : thanks, ye im pretty hi levered and not close
[2016-12-25 15:59:17] ett1 : thanks
[2016-12-25 15:59:41] elmorte : How it used to work before was that liquidations were system(contract) wide. So if there was a system wide loss, everyone in the green took a haircut
[2016-12-25 15:59:41] halloz : Yum - cheap coins
[2016-12-25 15:59:59] ett1 : i need to figure it out later
[2016-12-25 16:00:14] elmorte : They amended that to just the most profitable positions taking gradual haircuts...or deleveraging
[2016-12-25 16:00:55] ett1 : the biggers winners pay first
[2016-12-25 16:00:57] elmorte : I don't get how being -10% was counted as top1% of profitable positions....
[2016-12-25 16:01:02] elmorte : ett1: exactly
[2016-12-25 16:01:23] elmorte : but if -10% was top 1%, I pray for the others! :)
[2016-12-25 16:01:57] ett1 : haha ok. like a tax on the higher earners sort of thing
[2016-12-25 16:02:13] elmorte : ett1: yeah...you had enough sir, now go home...
[2016-12-25 16:02:15] ett1 : elmorte: lol
[2016-12-25 16:02:19] thomaskikansha : BOOM
[2016-12-25 16:04:09] mariomarco : :D
[2016-12-25 16:04:15] mariomarco : immmaaa baaaaack
[2016-12-25 16:07:25] elmorte : is there a name to the format that the websocket spits out? Is it JSON?
[2016-12-25 16:07:48] thomaskikansha : short liq inc
[2016-12-25 16:08:05] ett1 : yes it will be JSON
[2016-12-25 16:08:13] mbaril : 2000 btc bought on btcchina
[2016-12-25 16:08:32] elmorte : cool...now to find a parsing library....
[2016-12-25 16:08:41] m3s : was that it for the christmas dump ?
[2016-12-25 16:09:02] m3s : cuz that was weak af
[2016-12-25 16:09:35] ett1 : ye i think it was a shake, this could turn into a short squeezze
[2016-12-25 16:10:26] m3s : my bid at 861 didnt get filled :( missed by 0,2
[2016-12-25 16:10:37] mjones : Woot glad i longed the bottom. Choo choo
[2016-12-25 16:10:48] mjones : Btc back on track towards ath
[2016-12-25 16:11:07] ett1 : i felt it was a great level to buy but didnt want to bring my liq up closer
[2016-12-25 16:13:09] m3s : 880 still great
[2016-12-25 16:13:20] m3s : will be 900 in no time
[2016-12-25 16:13:56] Angelika : $1000 is a magnet now
[2016-12-25 16:14:02] Angelika : everyone is anticipating it
[2016-12-25 16:14:05] sleger : Angelika: I'm a magnet
[2016-12-25 16:14:06] m3s : was getting paid for my longs nice
[2016-12-25 16:14:09] sleger : a chick magnet
[2016-12-25 16:14:29] ett1 : m3s: ye and basically free coming up
[2016-12-25 16:14:35] Angelika : sleger: what does your girlfriend think about that
[2016-12-25 16:14:47] m3s : ett1: yup. good times
[2016-12-25 16:15:00] sleger : I cant help it, she is used to it
[2016-12-25 16:15:11] ett1 : Angelika: she finds it replusive
[2016-12-25 16:15:19] ett1 : jk
[2016-12-25 16:15:46] Angelika : sleger are you in North America right now?
[2016-12-25 16:16:52] Angelika : if you are come visit me
[2016-12-25 16:17:17] ett1 : what. there is noone from north america on bitmex i thought! canadians /mexicasmaybe
[2016-12-25 16:18:16] Angelika : ett1: I think the biggest crowd here is from Canada
[2016-12-25 16:18:17] happy : anyone shorting this/
[2016-12-25 16:18:36] Angelika : happy: why would you short?
[2016-12-25 16:18:44] Angelika : you think the direction is down?
[2016-12-25 16:18:53] happy : anyone shorting Bitcoins now
[2016-12-25 16:19:02] sleger : Angelika: yes I am, where are you?
[2016-12-25 16:19:17] happy : IDK, It looks bearish to me..
[2016-12-25 16:19:45] ett1 : this looks bearish???
[2016-12-25 16:19:59] Angelika : sleger: Vancouver
[2016-12-25 16:20:02] happy : yeah, short term
[2016-12-25 16:20:36] ett1 : im lholding long & looks to be turning back my way
[2016-12-25 16:20:48] sleger : west coast, that's far !
[2016-12-25 16:20:58] Angelika : yes
[2016-12-25 16:21:11] ett1 : 665 users
[2016-12-25 16:21:16] ett1 : almost
[2016-12-25 16:21:28] happy : i thought this is going to touch sub 800, and then bonce to 1000.. Just maybe
[2016-12-25 16:21:43] ett1 : 420 bots lol
[2016-12-25 16:22:00] ett1 : im seeing patterns
[2016-12-25 16:22:07] Angelika : I don't know if I am counted in both
[2016-12-25 16:22:19] Angelika : I am running a bot and connected to the site to chat
[2016-12-25 16:22:39] elmorte : Angelika: apparently you are
[2016-12-25 16:22:45] elmorte : maybe your alter ego too
[2016-12-25 16:22:51] m3s : happy: that would be sweet
[2016-12-25 16:23:23] Angelika : elmorte: then the count needs to be 1000000
[2016-12-25 16:23:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 200 @ 884.47
[2016-12-25 16:24:18] Tr : easy short on the bulltrap
[2016-12-25 16:24:25] elmorte : Angelika: severe schizophrenia?
[2016-12-25 16:24:28] Angelika : Tr: go ahead
[2016-12-25 16:24:37] memes : mmm them sweet sweet btc gains
[2016-12-25 16:24:37] Angelika : let us know your size and price
[2016-12-25 16:25:38] happy : Any shorts here?
[2016-12-25 16:25:52] Angelika : happy: there are as much shorts as longs in here
[2016-12-25 16:26:10] Angelika : they are just not posting
[2016-12-25 16:26:19] memes : I wonder why
[2016-12-25 16:26:55] ett1 : not everyones trading manually shortish term
[2016-12-25 16:27:04] ett1 : most arnt id be
[2016-12-25 16:27:40] Tr : classic noob money thinking its bottomed out and trying to get in again
[2016-12-25 16:28:12] happy : looks like bear trap is coming in.
[2016-12-25 16:28:24] Tr : the trap was this rise
[2016-12-25 16:28:32] Tr : classic bulltrap actually
[2016-12-25 16:28:39] ett1 : short squeeze now
[2016-12-25 16:28:47] mariomarco : Tr: ;^)
[2016-12-25 16:28:48] ett1 : panic and shorts last few house
[2016-12-25 16:29:13] Tr : this type of rise also known as "another chance to get the f out" rise
[2016-12-25 16:29:23] happy : lol
[2016-12-25 16:29:36] ett1 : lets see....
[2016-12-25 16:30:08] l3f : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/BO28sQbB-Giant-middle-finger-forming-on-hourly-chart/
[2016-12-25 16:30:08] happy : winer winer chicken diner
[2016-12-25 16:30:20] mariomarco : l3f: ahhaa epic
[2016-12-25 16:30:24] ett1 : as of right now, most of the longs are in a winning position, and anyone short is losing. except the traders in the last day or 2 perhaps
[2016-12-25 16:31:00] Tr : u had tons of spots to short yesterday
[2016-12-25 16:31:04] Tr : and still be a winner for now
[2016-12-25 16:31:19] ett1 : l3f: This idea was hidden for violating one or more of TradingView's House Rules :(
[2016-12-25 16:31:25] mariomarco : Tr: twisting the knife are we
[2016-12-25 16:31:35] l3f : ett1: censored for being too radical
[2016-12-25 16:31:50] memes : l3f: the charts are talking to you dude
[2016-12-25 16:32:22] happy : tomorrow you will say the same thing. I still feel this will go to sub 800 and bonce
[2016-12-25 16:32:47] ett1 : im curious what it was
[2016-12-25 16:33:57] Angelika : happy: sub 800 will be very bearish
[2016-12-25 16:34:33] dodic : lol sub 800 I would buy so much BTC and just wait for tuesday
[2016-12-25 16:34:41] dodic : and then i'd be rich
[2016-12-25 16:34:46] Tr : price was sub 800 whole december almost
[2016-12-25 16:34:59] Tr : people are instantly entitled to the last highs lol
[2016-12-25 16:35:06] Angelika : Tr: but you didn't buy because you are bearish
[2016-12-25 16:35:08] ett1 : well never see that again...
[2016-12-25 16:35:16] l3f : https://i.imgur.com/msicI4z.png
[2016-12-25 16:35:22] ett1 : it was sub 100 whole 2011
[2016-12-25 16:35:28] Tr : why are u assuming if i am bearish or not
[2016-12-25 16:35:49] Tr : being bearish or bullish is a small time window state
[2016-12-25 16:35:54] Tr : its not permanent lol
[2016-12-25 16:36:00] mariomarco : l3f: next level trading brah
[2016-12-25 16:36:07] l3f : mariomarco: of course
[2016-12-25 16:36:18] mariomarco : i applaud your analysis :D
[2016-12-25 16:36:27] memes : "shorting this coin to zero" xD
[2016-12-25 16:36:40] dodic : btc is a scam
[2016-12-25 16:36:43] Tr : i just dont get why people think that BTC is bound to go down forever and every move down is a "dip" that will be bought up soon
[2016-12-25 16:36:51] Tr : go up forever*
[2016-12-25 16:36:51] ett1 : l3f: haha thx. i meant we may not see sub 800 again
[2016-12-25 16:37:13] l3f : more like next level shitposting
[2016-12-25 16:37:25] memes : its not that I dont believe its going to go down again, just that this bullrun isnt done yet
[2016-12-25 16:37:37] Tr : how do you know
[2016-12-25 16:37:46] Tr : are you in Skype with president of Bitcoin?
[2016-12-25 16:37:54] halloz : Tr: I think it's gonna be like that till we react ATH - then that tune will probably change
[2016-12-25 16:38:00] halloz : reach*
[2016-12-25 16:38:12] memes : me and the bitcoin committee communicate solely though dogecoin messages
[2016-12-25 16:38:15] memes : and memes
[2016-12-25 16:38:17] dodic : President of Bitcoin = Trump
[2016-12-25 16:38:27] Tr : where does the certainty that ATH will be repeated and not stay ATH comes from, i dont understand
[2016-12-25 16:38:39] halloz : I thought al gore invented it
[2016-12-25 16:38:41] dodic : supply and demand?
[2016-12-25 16:38:45] memes : self fulfilling prophecy
[2016-12-25 16:39:18] Tr : what do you mean by supply and demand
[2016-12-25 16:39:23] dodic : shitty china bond market? limited BTC supply?
[2016-12-25 16:39:24] ett1 : i dont get why everybody thinks that btc could be a global mainstrwam currency like the dollar, or that its somehow an solution to the problems created by central banks
[2016-12-25 16:39:26] Tr : supply is irrelevant, demand is questionable
[2016-12-25 16:39:38] Tr : limited supply means nothing
[2016-12-25 16:39:59] Tr : look at shitcoins like LTC, its limited supply, ATH was 50$ or so, do you think its coming again any time soon? In your lifetime?
[2016-12-25 16:40:03] ett1 : more than 80% of the bitcoin have already been mined
[2016-12-25 16:40:14] ett1 : less than 10% remaining. its effectively fixed
[2016-12-25 16:40:17] ett1 : economic 101
[2016-12-25 16:40:20] ett1 : demand and supply
[2016-12-25 16:40:27] ett1 : if one is fixed
[2016-12-25 16:40:27] mariomarco : Tr: basically nothing means nothing, stocks bonds options derivatives crypto
[2016-12-25 16:40:33] mariomarco : its all manipulation over speculation
[2016-12-25 16:40:35] mariomarco : over money
[2016-12-25 16:40:39] ett1 : then price is solely determined by demand
[2016-12-25 16:40:41] mariomarco : no substantial matter in any of it
[2016-12-25 16:40:43] dodic : yeah but BTC is seen as a non inflationary wealth store
[2016-12-25 16:40:43] dodic : like gold
[2016-12-25 16:40:51] ett1 : higer demand higher price
[2016-12-25 16:40:58] ett1 : adoption is growing exponentially
[2016-12-25 16:41:02] Tr : being limited supply does not entitle you to get infinite price rise
[2016-12-25 16:41:06] dodic : so people see it as a safe zone when their currency is going crazy
[2016-12-25 16:41:11] Angelika : ett1: that is not true
[2016-12-25 16:41:24] dodic : actually.. since most currencies are inflationary
[2016-12-25 16:41:27] Angelika : 14 million bitcoins have been mined so far. This represents two thirds of the 21 million bitcoin limit.
[2016-12-25 16:41:31] dodic : it should go up forever
[2016-12-25 16:41:38] dodic : if fiats stay infaltionary
[2016-12-25 16:41:48] dodic : inflationary*
[2016-12-25 16:41:49] ett1 : Angelika: no its more than that
[2016-12-25 16:41:56] ett1 : 14mil is onld numbers
[2016-12-25 16:41:56] mariomarco : dodic: go up forever comparing to what
[2016-12-25 16:42:00] ett1 : old
[2016-12-25 16:42:07] dodic : compared to fiats like USD
[2016-12-25 16:42:09] mariomarco : value of something in itss core means that its uncomparable
[2016-12-25 16:42:22] mariomarco : dodic: fiats like usd arent worth the paper they are printed on
[2016-12-25 16:42:34] dodic : yeah... but they inflate by policy
[2016-12-25 16:42:41] mariomarco : inflate or no
[2016-12-25 16:42:52] mariomarco : they are instrinsically valueless, they are a promise nothing else
[2016-12-25 16:43:08] dodic : all true, its jsut a promise by government
[2016-12-25 16:43:20] mariomarco : would you give me 5btc if i promiseed that my paper is worth 5btc because im an ok guy?
[2016-12-25 16:43:22] dodic : but the policy of that gov is to have it inflate at some low rate
[2016-12-25 16:43:35] Tr : USD is imaginary
[2016-12-25 16:43:41] elmorte : mariomarco: only if I can sell it for 5.5
[2016-12-25 16:43:44] mariomarco : leprechaun style
[2016-12-25 16:43:57] ett1 : Angelika: over 16m have been mined https://www.quandl.com/data/BCHAIN/TOTBC-Total-Bitcoins
[2016-12-25 16:44:07] mariomarco : elmorte: fair enough, my ppl will contact you with the latest paper design, with a golden hippo logo
[2016-12-25 16:44:09] dodic : so yes btc will continue to go up since it has intrinsic value... like gold
[2016-12-25 16:44:33] mariomarco : dodic: btc has a different kind of value but id agree
[2016-12-25 16:44:42] Tr : I am just not subscribing to the BTC theories that it will bubble in circles forever to 1 million per coin and stuff
[2016-12-25 16:44:57] Spofas : merry festivus boys
[2016-12-25 16:45:07] laisee : y not?
[2016-12-25 16:45:12] elmorte : Tr: it might...our kids might count in satoshis
[2016-12-25 16:45:15] mariomarco : Tr: the point of btc imo is not for it to be worht anythig like any fiat money
[2016-12-25 16:45:20] dodic : heh
[2016-12-25 16:45:24] jung1 : Hello milionaires
[2016-12-25 16:45:25] elmorte : assuming y'all get out and procreate
[2016-12-25 16:45:29] dodic : hahaha
[2016-12-25 16:45:38] jung1 : Merry xmas
[2016-12-25 16:45:51] dodic : merry xmas
[2016-12-25 16:45:55] Tr : if you would've asked ppeople in 2013-2014 about BTC price they would predict like 10K or even 100k+ in 2016
[2016-12-25 16:45:58] Tr : the delusions are insane
[2016-12-25 16:45:59] mariomarco : elmorte: no thank you, not with all the vaccines and autistic diesease
[2016-12-25 16:46:20] mariomarco : Tr: i think the btc should be at around price of gold
[2016-12-25 16:46:26] jung1 : Tr: it could be 10k in 2020
[2016-12-25 16:46:30] mariomarco : although price of gold is manipulated AF
[2016-12-25 16:46:30] Headroom : summer 2011 "btc will touch 1000usd" "no come on you r crazy", now I'm saying it will touch 10.000, same reaction but it is not so illogic when you think about it, I have a lot of time...
[2016-12-25 16:47:11] Tr : Headroom you just cant draw conclusions from prev historic patters, its not how the world works
[2016-12-25 16:47:19] happy : what about ZCASH, will it touch 2M
[2016-12-25 16:47:28] mariomarco : 1m for sure :P
[2016-12-25 16:47:33] mariomarco : vitalik is in ZEC
[2016-12-25 16:47:34] Headroom : yeah I just started to trade, thx for the lesson
[2016-12-25 16:47:38] mariomarco : where vitalik goes money follow
[2016-12-25 16:47:58] Tr : Headroom its not even about the trade, more like any prognosis/predictions
[2016-12-25 16:48:01] memes : I'm just ahppy its possible to short zcash now
[2016-12-25 16:48:02] Headroom : I know that, I'm not using patterns, I hate patterns, why are you talking about patterns ? xD
[2016-12-25 16:48:09] ett1 : vitalik is a peter thiel sponsored fall guy
[2016-12-25 16:48:40] Tr : Headroom i just point out thta thinking that BTC will multiply in price yearly because it did so during his first years is a fallacy
[2016-12-25 16:49:05] Headroom : that's not why I'm bullish...
[2016-12-25 16:49:10] Headroom : you talk to me, think for me :P
[2016-12-25 16:49:18] elmorte : I'm not using patterns, I hate patterns, why are you talking about patterns ? <- a pattern
[2016-12-25 16:49:33] ett1 : Tr: the poeple wo predicted 10k are a lot closer to gettin git right, than the poeple who lauch or ignore it
[2016-12-25 16:50:19] Tr : ett1 Thats not actually true, even people who predicted 0$ are techically more "right" than people who predicted 10k
[2016-12-25 16:50:30] ett1 : still up 10x, which is an amazing achievement. so what if you thought it would be 100x
[2016-12-25 16:50:52] mariomarco : ett1: btc is up 1 000 000x since it got its USD price
[2016-12-25 16:50:59] Tr : Most of my coins are from 100-150 range
[2016-12-25 16:51:02] mariomarco : it was 0.0007XX
[2016-12-25 16:51:17] ett1 : ye i was just takeing like 2013:
[2016-12-25 16:51:20] ett1 : it was $1 and lower