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[2016-12-25 10:09:24] shery : silence in troll box
[2016-12-25 10:11:34] ett1 : im call a bottom on this
[2016-12-25 10:11:46] ett1 : no confirmtion tho
[2016-12-25 10:12:18] Yuppie : Actually I've got a question for a change: stop loss order should be executed oncw the reference price hits the stop?
[2016-12-25 10:12:35] Yuppie : or is it the market price?
[2016-12-25 10:12:59] ett1 : market price
[2016-12-25 10:13:05] odieoh : hitting your price target will trigger it, but it will then execute at market price
[2016-12-25 10:13:10] Yuppie : Thy
[2016-12-25 10:13:14] micmix : Yuppie: you have a choice of 3 prices to trigger: mark, last and index
[2016-12-25 10:13:27] micmix : there is dropdown
[2016-12-25 10:14:11] immackay : lol at all the holders of longs here
[2016-12-25 10:14:16] immackay : are you prepared
[2016-12-25 10:14:41] ett1 : still hopeful tbh
[2016-12-25 10:14:50] ett1 : share the mometum ran out tho
[2016-12-25 10:14:54] ett1 : shame
[2016-12-25 10:15:13] odieoh : I think it will test 800 before rebounding
[2016-12-25 10:15:59] Tr : why would rebound come
[2016-12-25 10:16:08] Tr : or btc entitled to go up forever
[2016-12-25 10:16:10] ett1 : immackay: looking to get back in or thrown in the towel on 1000
[2016-12-25 10:21:07] Yuppie : Do you know how much in the flow here are market makers vs. actual position traders? On BTC contracts...
[2016-12-25 10:21:46] ett1 : i dont think its possible to know
[2016-12-25 10:25:46] immackay : last ditch effort to spike
[2016-12-25 10:26:11] ett1 : immackay: you exited your positon?
[2016-12-25 10:26:25] immackay : ett1: which one?
[2016-12-25 10:26:40] immackay : I'm shorting around now
[2016-12-25 10:26:48] ett1 : i assumed you were riding long, did you short around 900
[2016-12-25 10:26:58] ett1 : ive been long, but stop near by
[2016-12-25 10:27:00] immackay : Nah, I was out for the last couple days
[2016-12-25 10:27:10] immackay : Kept watching the markets though
[2016-12-25 10:27:14] ett1 : considering where to adjust it. i think weve bottomed tho
[2016-12-25 10:27:15] immackay : been with family
[2016-12-25 10:27:21] ett1 : ah ok
[2016-12-25 10:27:41] ett1 : i forgto your email. btw
[2016-12-25 10:28:49] immackay : 5ht2@sigaint.org
[2016-12-25 10:29:47] ett1 : cheers, sorry i didit get in touch yet. will do
[2016-12-25 10:29:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1005 @ 865.56
[2016-12-25 10:30:37] immackay : ett1: all good, sounds good
[2016-12-25 10:30:42] immackay : busy times right now
[2016-12-25 10:32:05] immackay : and that wee spike is over
[2016-12-25 10:32:44] ett1 : im hoping this turns around for me. almost back to breakeven
[2016-12-25 10:32:55] ett1 : caught the 800 breakout but was adding ton the way up
[2016-12-25 10:33:02] ett1 : still healthy
[2016-12-25 10:33:13] ett1 : i have a plan for X000%
[2016-12-25 10:33:21] ett1 : if it gets there.
[2016-12-25 10:33:36] ett1 : just need to keep from falling below support this week
[2016-12-25 10:37:39] elmorte : Holy crap that dip yesterday on XBCZ16
[2016-12-25 10:38:24] immackay : elmorte: @Coconuter
[2016-12-25 10:38:33] elmorte : ohhhh
[2016-12-25 10:38:59] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-25 10:39:00] elmorte : wait, he got affected by it, but he didn't cause it, right?
[2016-12-25 10:39:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 20600 @ 867.03
[2016-12-25 10:39:16] Coconuter : i caused it
[2016-12-25 10:39:23] elmorte : market close?
[2016-12-25 10:39:31] Coconuter : didnt talked with the bots
[2016-12-25 10:39:33] Coconuter : prior
[2016-12-25 10:39:48] elmorte : oh....skynet became self-aware
[2016-12-25 10:39:54] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-25 10:40:37] Yuppie : What did you do? Put in your whole position to sell at market?
[2016-12-25 10:41:06] Coconuter : yep but it had the orders on the book showing to me it would cover
[2016-12-25 10:41:24] Coconuter : it covered only first ones than it disappeared and went down
[2016-12-25 10:41:39] Coconuter : like magic
[2016-12-25 10:41:49] Yuppie : Thats why it wouöd be interesting how
[2016-12-25 10:41:58] Yuppie : much liquidity is "real"
[2016-12-25 10:42:29] Yuppie : They basically pulled their bids...
[2016-12-25 10:45:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 222 @ 867.42
[2016-12-25 10:45:16] REKT : Have a bowl of chop-chop suey!
[2016-12-25 10:46:52] Yuppie : on BTC swap there is also this strange bot buying 1 USD to move the price mark
[2016-12-25 10:48:12] Coconuter : lets see if 880 breaks
[2016-12-25 10:48:51] immackay : Yuppie: sometimes that's just people
[2016-12-25 10:48:58] immackay : it shouldn't affect things
[2016-12-25 10:49:24] Tr : how can you break 880, its already been broken
[2016-12-25 10:49:49] Coconuter : upwards
[2016-12-25 10:49:53] Coconuter : pierce
[2016-12-25 10:50:12] Coconuter : its the resistance from higher highs here
[2016-12-25 10:50:25] Tr : ye sure
[2016-12-25 10:50:31] Tr : "buy the dip" they say
[2016-12-25 10:50:36] Tr : "going up from here"
[2016-12-25 10:51:38] shery : move is fake, it will dump more
[2016-12-25 10:52:05] immackay : just like every past move
[2016-12-25 10:52:07] Tr : 5min green candle and people already thinking its going to 900 in a second
[2016-12-25 10:52:15] immackay : it makes two rounds on the 15m timescale then dumps
[2016-12-25 10:54:12] shery : immackay: I agree with you i am watching 15 m , chinese completly making apattern
[2016-12-25 10:54:56] shery : immackay: 10-15 cny slow falling candles
[2016-12-25 10:55:32] immackay : shery: yup, that's what I'm watching too they've done this both on the pump side and on the dump side
[2016-12-25 10:55:42] immackay : two bumps then a breakout
[2016-12-25 10:56:25] immackay : 6100 cny at the very least for next dump
[2016-12-25 10:57:27] shery : immackay: I am eying 840 here on that 6100, they will rebound from 850, true leg up would tmmorow,
[2016-12-25 10:58:19] shery : immackay: 6100 seems a nice rebound .
[2016-12-25 10:58:30] immackay : yeah, I'd say so
[2016-12-25 10:58:59] immackay : meanwhile people here are shooting up the price every time there's little green candle because they want a repeat of a few days ago
[2016-12-25 10:59:09] immackay : it doesn't work that way guys
[2016-12-25 10:59:18] immackay : we reached the top, for now
[2016-12-25 11:02:37] marinomedia : Why is market price so soft alwyas below
[2016-12-25 11:02:59] marinomedia : if u close at market do u close at MARK PRICE or the middle of the trading book?
[2016-12-25 11:03:20] ett1 : yod trade at the best offer
[2016-12-25 11:03:30] ett1 : the other side of the book
[2016-12-25 11:03:44] ett1 : the mark price is just an indicators (based on other exchange price)
[2016-12-25 11:03:53] marinomedia : ah cool thanks brother
[2016-12-25 11:04:51] ett1 : marinomedia: you get a worse price than you expect? dont close bit orders with market
[2016-12-25 11:05:03] ett1 : someone lost 15btc yesterday because he didnt understand this
[2016-12-25 11:05:15] ett1 : use limit orders to exit
[2016-12-25 11:05:35] windoze : are we really going down?
[2016-12-25 11:05:37] marinomedia : limit orders take so long to enter in the price :(
[2016-12-25 11:06:01] ett1 : i think its ok to use them to enter
[2016-12-25 11:06:12] ett1 : if theres a fast market
[2016-12-25 11:06:30] ett1 : but careful when you are using them & risk management is important
[2016-12-25 11:06:31] immackay : we're at the top of the 15, 5, and 1m stochrsi on btcchina @shery
[2016-12-25 11:06:32] marinomedia : too bad u cant click the price on the order book to set the default for limit
[2016-12-25 11:06:51] immackay : marinomedia: you cann
[2016-12-25 11:07:05] ett1 : if you click on the price, it enters it in the box so you dont need to type
[2016-12-25 11:07:08] marinomedia : open opposite position ?
[2016-12-25 11:07:13] marinomedia : oh?
[2016-12-25 11:07:23] shery : immackay: yess this is last fake pump before mega dump, rebound would be quick and stronger
[2016-12-25 11:07:45] ett1 : if your trading xbtusd id say be careful with any orders over 2000
[2016-12-25 11:08:22] marinomedia : So you can close by entering opposit position via limit order? or do both contrary positions stay open?
[2016-12-25 11:08:23] immackay : shery: yeah, lower highs, textbook descending triangle
[2016-12-25 11:09:07] shery : immackay: will long at lower highs?
[2016-12-25 11:09:16] shery : immackay: or shorting right now only
[2016-12-25 11:10:32] marinomedia : How do you close an order by clicking on price i.e. limit close? cause it doesnt set the price into the box on 'open positions' you have to type it in there to close .. kinda sucks
[2016-12-25 11:12:13] marinomedia : fyi i wouldn tbet the ranch that tiw wont recover last 2 big pumps had some corrections mid way
[2016-12-25 11:14:56] immackay : shery: shorting now to scalp a bit
[2016-12-25 11:15:07] immackay : then probably stepping out to see what happens
[2016-12-25 11:16:35] immackay : lmao at the sell wall on the orderbook here
[2016-12-25 11:17:58] shery : immackay: nice
[2016-12-25 11:18:47] shery : immackay: dont you think it will rebound or you think 920 was top
[2016-12-25 11:21:25] immackay : looking at the past history, I think 920 is the top for at least a week
[2016-12-25 11:22:00] immackay : Mind you it is dumping faster than I expected, so who knows
[2016-12-25 11:22:28] immackay : might rebound, hit 1000ish then plummet back to 880 or so
[2016-12-25 11:44:51] immackay : Wait so with negative funding
[2016-12-25 11:45:15] immackay : does that give money back to only those with longs, or both longs and shorts?
[2016-12-25 11:46:12] windoze : shorts pay longs
[2016-12-25 11:50:21] nOgAnOo : Anyone know where I can download a trading botnet
[2016-12-25 11:51:13] ett1 : what do ypu mean
[2016-12-25 11:51:30] ett1 : nOgAnOo:
[2016-12-25 11:51:39] nOgAnOo : I was acting silly. :) I mean a scalping bot
[2016-12-25 11:52:08] immackay : windoze: oh ok
[2016-12-25 11:56:56] mariomarco : why is unrelised PNL positive according to mark price when the bids would give you negative PNL
[2016-12-25 11:57:14] nOgAnOo : mark price is based on other exchanges
[2016-12-25 12:06:01] redlose : Is it possible to add Margin manually to an open position?
[2016-12-25 12:09:13] ett1 : redlose: yes, click on the btc icon under the margin column
[2016-12-25 12:09:14] immackay : redlose: click on the margin box of the position you want to add to
[2016-12-25 12:10:46] redlose : Ah, perfect, thanks to both of you
[2016-12-25 12:31:43] immackay : if any bitmex admins stop by I'm interested in the bid/ask ratio here at the moment
[2016-12-25 12:38:19] abz : immackay: Check the Orderbook.
[2016-12-25 12:39:48] immackay : abz: not what I meant
[2016-12-25 13:00:27] BitMEX_Wally : immackay: In the last hour of takers, XBTZ16 has been 56% buys, XBTH17 has been 42% buys, XBTUSD has been 34% buys
[2016-12-25 13:02:09] rapidtrades : wow
[2016-12-25 13:02:33] rapidtrades : arbers closed that gap huh
[2016-12-25 13:03:27] ytaews : the Z16s discount?
[2016-12-25 13:06:19] immackay : BitMEX_Wally: thank you
[2016-12-25 13:38:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: buy 23600 @ 872.14
[2016-12-25 13:40:09] startChat : BitMEX_Wally: is this publicly available?
[2016-12-25 13:40:32] BitMEX_Wally : startChat: Yes you can look at the trade feed, we publish if it was a buy or sell
[2016-12-25 13:40:55] startChat : need mexdata.com
[2016-12-25 13:41:09] immackay : startChat: yup haha
[2016-12-25 13:55:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCZ16`: buy 7000 @ 6294.9
[2016-12-25 14:03:57] Zar600 : I entered the market at 871.55 with a sell position, I put a buy stop buy at 874.55 and a take profit limit sell at 877.55. Both others were accepted but when the market reversed it skipped the buy order and executed the sell other increasing my sell position at an unfavorable price. I checked history and saw the buy order was rejected. I don't understand the rejection
[2016-12-25 14:09:15] BitMEX_Wally : Zar600: Let me check for you
[2016-12-25 14:11:13] Zar600 : Please do
[2016-12-25 14:16:27] l3f : Fuck
[2016-12-25 14:16:29] l3f : guys I fucked up
[2016-12-25 14:16:34] l3f : but I stoplossed out
[2016-12-25 14:16:40] l3f : trade responsibly
[2016-12-25 14:17:01] ett1 : l3f: yes it was painful to hold my long, but i think its turning
[2016-12-25 14:17:16] ett1 : would love to hava added some here but a bit too much risk already for that
[2016-12-25 14:17:26] l3f : ett1: I think H&S forming again on hourly
[2016-12-25 14:17:37] l3f : right shoulder being created right now
[2016-12-25 14:18:37] ett1 : just i didnt think it would get back up as quick as it fell. i though it was a shame to lose the momentum but didint sell
[2016-12-25 14:19:08] l3f : I had to go find my gf and closed a bunch of losing longs
[2016-12-25 14:19:21] ett1 : ye thanks its worth keeping an eye on that H&S
[2016-12-25 14:19:23] l3f : because I was going to be out all day and can't watch this bullshit
[2016-12-25 14:21:26] Freewizard : Better selling than making stupid decisions via phone without thinking
[2016-12-25 14:21:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: sell 20 @ 0.00000733
[2016-12-25 14:22:34] Freewizard : Painc sell is being settled
[2016-12-25 14:26:11] BitMEX_Wally : Zar600: I see you were short 2 contracts of XBTUSD at 868.55 and with 100x leverage your liquidation price was 872.89. You had a stop order to buy 6 contracts with a trigger price of 871.55. As this was buying 6 when you were only short 2 it was an order that would increase your position from -2 to +4
[2016-12-25 14:27:36] BitMEX_Wally : If you wanted to take profit on a short position then you would want a buy order, not a sell order
[2016-12-25 14:28:31] BitMEX_Wally : If you want to make sure that a Stop order or a Take Profit order does not increase your position then please tick the 'Close on Trigger' checkbox when submitting the order. This will make sure it only reduces your position and it will cancel any other open orders
[2016-12-25 14:29:18] sleger : Doubt the commission earned by someone trading 2 contracts is worth the time spent answering their questions
[2016-12-25 14:29:48] BitMEX_Wally : sleger: It's called customer service. Alien concept in France :P
[2016-12-25 14:30:01] ett1 : hahah thats why i was thinking
[2016-12-25 14:30:03] sleger : never heard of that shit
[2016-12-25 14:30:12] ett1 : make sure you diversify
[2016-12-25 14:30:21] ett1 : dont invest it all in the one market
[2016-12-25 14:30:31] billyboy402 : 2 contract @ 100x ... so the guy has les then $0.20 in there account lol
[2016-12-25 14:31:01] sleger : not necessarily but still
[2016-12-25 14:31:04] ett1 : im litterlally laughing so hard im dribbling
[2016-12-25 14:31:26] ett1 : made my day
[2016-12-25 14:32:36] billyboy402 : i wouldnt even think that the min i would trade is 10 = $10 worth . be better to grow rice then the trade any thing less
[2016-12-25 14:32:39] immackay : BitMEX_Wally: that's some quality service there
[2016-12-25 14:33:02] sleger : nothing comes for free, someone is paying for it
[2016-12-25 14:33:30] BitMEX_Wally : Merry Christmas everyone
[2016-12-25 14:33:53] sleger : that too, merry Xmas
[2016-12-25 14:35:19] immackay : Merry Christmas to you too Wally
[2016-12-25 14:35:28] immackay : hopefully I get some christmas luck
[2016-12-25 14:35:31] immackay : doubt it though
[2016-12-25 14:35:54] immackay : anyways I'm out for today
[2016-12-25 14:40:57] Zar600 : The stop buy was meant to take advantage of the market reversal and I didn't click the close on trigger because I knew that the 6 contract buy would reverse the -2 sell to + 4 and the following -4 sell which was executed was to take profit on the +4 by closing it so my question is still why the +6 buy was skipped and -4 executed, was it a bug or because the market rose almost instantly?
[2016-12-25 14:43:35] sleger : maybe it's because the orders were too small ?
[2016-12-25 14:44:43] memes : lol xmr reached 11$ on polo, someone must have made a big market buy order cos it promptly dropped after xD
[2016-12-25 14:45:29] Zar600 : I used 2 contracts cos am perfecting a strategy before placing lager trade, so it's not about the commission Bitmex earns for now as someone remarked my questions are not worth answering
[2016-12-25 14:46:05] sleger : why not using 1 then
[2016-12-25 14:46:30] shery : seems like btc bottom is reached
[2016-12-25 14:47:03] memes : its been static all day :(
[2016-12-25 14:47:33] Zar600 : I was using 1 but entered 2 in error so had to proceed
[2016-12-25 14:48:58] sleger : no need to justify yourself
[2016-12-25 14:49:08] sleger : great support is provided to poor customers too ;)
[2016-12-25 14:49:43] Zar600 : I just want to understand if that sequence is always rejected so I don't start a large bet with it
[2016-12-25 14:50:00] sleger : large ? 12 contracts ?
[2016-12-25 14:50:58] ett1 : the beuty of bitcoin & bitmex is you can invest with any amount
[2016-12-25 14:51:20] ett1 : maybe hes trying to compound it
[2016-12-25 14:51:49] rapidtrades : wtf sleger it's Christmas
[2016-12-25 14:55:50] sleger : I was trying to be nice
[2016-12-25 14:56:02] sleger : save support time for worthy customers
[2016-12-25 14:59:06] Tr : is it good idea to do 100x long here because bottom is confirmed?
[2016-12-25 14:59:25] ett1 : if you think its a turning point yes
[2016-12-25 14:59:30] shery : Tr: nops avoid 100 x
[2016-12-25 14:59:39] ett1 : you need turning point or follow thru
[2016-12-25 14:59:51] ett1 : if you don thtink it will go back below your entry
[2016-12-25 15:00:05] ett1 : its a good time
[2016-12-25 15:01:20] rapidtrades : at current premium wont he get rekted in 2 adverse move
[2016-12-25 15:02:05] ett1 : if bmx converges to stamp you mean
[2016-12-25 15:02:23] ett1 : not if bmx is leading and it actually is the bottom
[2016-12-25 15:02:48] ett1 : stamp will come up to meet mex
[2016-12-25 15:02:52] ett1 : not mex coming down
[2016-12-25 15:03:12] rapidtrades : oh im sure
[2016-12-25 15:03:51] rapidtrades : that we'll never see $1000 again
[2016-12-25 15:05:13] memes : Tr: if you have to ask questions like that you shouldnt be using 100x
[2016-12-25 15:05:32] ett1 : how can you be so sure. it seems like a strong possibility
[2016-12-25 15:05:57] ett1 : scpome acet tha 100x is a gample
[2016-12-25 15:06:24] memes : yeah its a big gample
[2016-12-25 15:06:36] ett1 : sorry about typos
[2016-12-25 15:06:44] memes : I've been trading on 25x which is pretty alright
[2016-12-25 15:07:09] HoldOn2urShort : 100x or go home
[2016-12-25 15:07:16] HoldOn2urShort : :)
[2016-12-25 15:07:32] Tr : i need 1000x
[2016-12-25 15:07:38] memes : you must be the guy we see losing shorts on bitmexrekt
[2016-12-25 15:07:39] memes : xD
[2016-12-25 15:07:45] BitMEX_Wally : Zar600: In this case the Stop buy order for 6 was rejected with the message "Executing at order price would lead to immediate liquidation" because the offer price was more than 0.50% above the mark price
[2016-12-25 15:08:05] BitMEX_Wally : Zar600: Please switch leverage to Cross or 50x
[2016-12-25 15:08:35] HoldOn2urShort : Don't let my name fool you
[2016-12-25 15:08:45] HoldOn2urShort : 100x long made me some good profit
[2016-12-25 15:09:01] HoldOn2urShort : scared money don't make none memes
[2016-12-25 15:09:02] memes : i'm just playin'
[2016-12-25 15:09:11] Zar600 : Thank u very much, my question answered
[2016-12-25 15:12:43] ett1 : BitMEX_Wally: i havnt been watching for long, but funding rate on swaps seemed really high compared to holding futures. couldnt you earn risk free interst by shorting swap & longing equal futures. what am i missing
[2016-12-25 15:15:12] rapidtrades : Rado: still long? @sleger
[2016-12-25 15:16:07] sleger : ett1: half a brain ?
[2016-12-25 15:16:43] ett1 : what do i not get
[2016-12-25 15:17:09] sleger : chat answers are limited to 15000 characters sorry
[2016-12-25 15:17:22] sleger : rapidtrades: yes
[2016-12-25 15:18:42] rapidtrades : why?
[2016-12-25 15:20:07] ett1 : sleger: you dont want everyone to know?
[2016-12-25 15:20:28] sleger : everything is public knowledge, nothing to hide
[2016-12-25 15:20:49] BitMEX_Wally : ett1: Yes you can do that, you are trading the risk of a fixed interest rate vs a floating interest rate
[2016-12-25 15:21:08] Rado : rapidtrades: I was out, but just bought some XBTH17 at 920
[2016-12-25 15:21:19] Rado : only 50
[2016-12-25 15:21:33] rapidtrades : 50'k?
[2016-12-25 15:21:37] Rado : yes
[2016-12-25 15:21:38] ett1 : ok by doing that im betting on the funding rate staying high or increasing basically
[2016-12-25 15:21:54] ett1 : whereas it could go the other way
[2016-12-25 15:22:21] rapidtrades : ett1: ADL
[2016-12-25 15:22:22] Rado : rapidtrades: my bot hasn't blown up yet
[2016-12-25 15:22:55] Rado : it's up 0.01
[2016-12-25 15:23:01] Rado : no idea if that's good or not
[2016-12-25 15:23:15] Rado : for current market conditions
[2016-12-25 15:23:18] rapidtrades : give it time, it will blow up
[2016-12-25 15:23:22] ett1 : rapidtrades: thanks i need to look into this more
[2016-12-25 15:23:38] weather b0y4 : guys, new money hitting exchanges tomorrow = up up up
[2016-12-25 15:23:50] Rado : rapidtrades: thanks of the encouraging words
[2016-12-25 15:24:19] rapidtrades : actually the 26th is a holiday in most places so UR WRONG @weather b0y4
[2016-12-25 15:24:31] ett1 : ADL benefits who?
[2016-12-25 15:24:31] weather b0y4 : hmm
[2016-12-25 15:24:39] ett1 : shorts or longs
[2016-12-25 15:24:48] weather b0y4 : well maybe tuesday then
[2016-12-25 15:25:12] rapidtrades : ett1: click on the f*Cking lights
[2016-12-25 15:26:06] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: what happens to ZEC insurance fund once dec31 expires?
[2016-12-25 15:26:49] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: It goes into the March 31 ZEC contract
[2016-12-25 15:27:12] ett1 : i still dont understand whether ADL benefits longs or shorts more
[2016-12-25 15:27:26] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: ok tnx
[2016-12-25 15:27:29] Angelika : ett1: It's not there to benefit anyone
[2016-12-25 15:27:54] Angelika : it's for making sure the losses are dealt with
[2016-12-25 15:28:06] Angelika : some bozo like you might bet 20 BTC on 100X
[2016-12-25 15:28:12] ett1 : ok mut i mean like funding rate 'benefits' shorts
[2016-12-25 15:28:17] Angelika : if they get liquidated who pays for it?
[2016-12-25 15:28:25] ett1 : does ADL have anything like that
[2016-12-25 15:28:30] Angelika : no
[2016-12-25 15:28:43] Angelika : ADL is just to balance things out
[2016-12-25 15:28:48] ett1 : ok, so swaps i might be delevered, futures i cant
[2016-12-25 15:28:50] rapidtrades : ett1: not really, in practice maybe but that's not part of the design
[2016-12-25 15:29:01] ett1 : ok thx
[2016-12-25 15:29:03] rapidtrades : re swap interest rates
[2016-12-25 15:29:25] Angelika : you can get deleveraged on any contract
[2016-12-25 15:29:54] ett1 : thx
[2016-12-25 15:30:25] ett1 : all lights mean my % chance of being delevered is what
[2016-12-25 15:30:30] ett1 : like 50%?
[2016-12-25 15:30:37] ett1 : or 10%
[2016-12-25 15:30:48] laisee : pretty good
[2016-12-25 15:31:04] elmorte : Yeah, I'd take that bet
[2016-12-25 15:31:10] ett1 : and it would close all the position of a portion
[2016-12-25 15:31:23] ett1 : or*
[2016-12-25 15:32:32] laisee : until the guy on the other end is nit overleveraged
[2016-12-25 15:32:35] rapidtrades : anyway my point was it's not a risk free arb cos bitcoin futures always carry a risk...either clawbacks or ADL
[2016-12-25 15:32:50] elmorte : Can you see the insurance fund per contract?
[2016-12-25 15:32:55] rapidtrades : not yet
[2016-12-25 15:33:03] rapidtrades : hope they implement this soon
[2016-12-25 15:33:11] elmorte : Then that aggregate is pretty useless
[2016-12-25 15:33:20] ett1 : laisee: so a portion at first but posibbly all?
[2016-12-25 15:33:58] rapidtrades : elmorte: well u know +100 BTC is from ZEC...so fund is not that big right now
[2016-12-25 15:34:07] laisee : yes. as its called - deleveraging.
[2016-12-25 15:34:15] elmorte : I didn't..thanks
[2016-12-25 15:34:24] rapidtrades : likely most of that 50 btc is on swap
[2016-12-25 15:34:30] ett1 : deleveraging could happen if i wasnt close to my own stop, but others were getting REKT right?
[2016-12-25 15:34:41] rapidtrades : yes
[2016-12-25 15:34:42] laisee : rapidtrades: u funded the insurance from ur ZEC days ...
[2016-12-25 15:34:43] ett1 : only happens in adverse conditions
[2016-12-25 15:34:51] laisee : yup
[2016-12-25 15:35:03] ett1 : ok cool, got it. thanks a lot
[2016-12-25 15:35:07] laisee : got ADL'ed multiple times on ZEC
[2016-12-25 15:35:10] rapidtrades : also ADL usually happens when ur profit
[2016-12-25 15:35:11] elmorte : I had all 5 lights on earlier, and position was in a loss....
[2016-12-25 15:35:28] elmorte : I thought....yeah, what rapid just said
[2016-12-25 15:35:33] ett1 : all lights means all green?
[2016-12-25 15:35:35] rapidtrades : but if ur arbing, one part of the trade will always be in profit
[2016-12-25 15:35:38] weather b0y4 : where d i see these lights? under the contract details?
[2016-12-25 15:35:39] ett1 : i have a last yelloe
[2016-12-25 15:35:44] elmorte : ett1: flashing red
[2016-12-25 15:35:45] ett1 : in the example it has last one red
[2016-12-25 15:35:58] rapidtrades : yeah thats confusing...I asked them to keep em save color
[2016-12-25 15:35:59] elmorte : It's brown on my screen
[2016-12-25 15:36:00] ett1 : ok so yellow is fine
[2016-12-25 15:36:07] rapidtrades : same color*
[2016-12-25 15:36:14] laisee : orderbook top right under the settings icon
[2016-12-25 15:36:26] ett1 : meybe they should make it like a slider or something
[2016-12-25 15:36:28] rapidtrades : or make them on/off only not transparent
[2016-12-25 15:36:36] ett1 : more intuitive
[2016-12-25 15:37:06] rapidtrades : i would prefer a 1-10 number tbh but i guess this 'looks prettier'
[2016-12-25 15:37:24] elmorte : Yeah, it's less confusing
[2016-12-25 15:37:41] elmorte : Just wish I knew what it meant
[2016-12-25 15:37:48] laisee : 44 point font spelling out ADL in either green or red, according to your position/
[2016-12-25 15:38:00] ett1 : i guess when youve got one coming, not much you can do but hope for a rebound is that right
[2016-12-25 15:38:21] rapidtrades : u can make two accounts and trade ur ADL
[2016-12-25 15:38:31] elmorte : Size of the font should be proportional to your chance of getting ADLd
[2016-12-25 15:38:40] rapidtrades : that will incur a small trading cost
[2016-12-25 15:38:51] rapidtrades : and some idiot can hit ur bid before u do
[2016-12-25 15:39:02] rapidtrades : ask sleger he's the expert on this
[2016-12-25 15:39:18] laisee : have u tried this winning strategy, rapids?
[2016-12-25 15:39:26] rapidtrades : not yet
[2016-12-25 15:39:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 500 @ 926.86
[2016-12-25 15:40:07] rapidtrades : all the new chicks here are sleger's ADL accounts
[2016-12-25 15:40:10] laisee : sounds like an old bitmex traders myth imo
[2016-12-25 15:40:32] ett1 : sounds like trying to force or manipulate the market
[2016-12-25 15:40:35] rapidtrades : it's not a myth sleger does it
[2016-12-25 15:40:43] ett1 : is that the idea
[2016-12-25 15:40:58] ett1 : or did i not understand what you menat by trading your ADL
[2016-12-25 15:41:11] Angelika : 870k bid
[2016-12-25 15:41:27] shery : thats too big
[2016-12-25 15:41:49] rapidtrades : it costs 0.05% per trade but perhaps that's cheaper then re-entering his big size
[2016-12-25 15:41:51] shery : must be awhale or 100x trade
[2016-12-25 15:41:54] laisee : go 100X1 using 1BTC and let ADL handle the worst case?
[2016-12-25 15:42:18] rapidtrades : yeah if that's the case we'll see some fireworks soon
[2016-12-25 15:42:20] ett1 : ADL happens to those closest / next to being stopped out? or it could happen if the market is far away from your own liquidation
[2016-12-25 15:42:41] rapidtrades : ADL usually happens to ppl in profit
[2016-12-25 15:42:45] weather b0y4 : hmmm, i am at 3 a yllow
[2016-12-25 15:42:55] aethlios : the 1 million dollar bid, I welcome large traders!
[2016-12-25 15:42:59] ett1 : rapidtrades: so your hedged if the other account reduces its size?
[2016-12-25 15:43:21] elmorte : You split the risk
[2016-12-25 15:43:23] shery : that order is big
[2016-12-25 15:43:28] ett1 : haha nice. i want to have a million dollar position some day
[2016-12-25 15:43:52] thomaskikansha : ...and its pulled
[2016-12-25 15:43:58] shery : gone
[2016-12-25 15:44:16] anondran : fake
[2016-12-25 15:44:16] rapidtrades : ofc it's gone....prolly a shortie filling his asks
[2016-12-25 15:44:29] rapidtrades : u schmucks
[2016-12-25 15:44:59] ett1 : rapidtrades: if theres a bull market, i bet bitmex leads and stays at premium
[2016-12-25 15:44:59] Angelika : rapidtrades: who trades based on bids in the order book?
[2016-12-25 15:45:07] ett1 : watch and see if im right
[2016-12-25 15:45:10] rapidtrades : Angelika: bots
[2016-12-25 15:45:21] shery : shorts might close now so we may up quickly in bitmex
[2016-12-25 15:45:35] ett1 : Angelika: ye best just to ignore it
[2016-12-25 15:45:38] rapidtrades : wow btce down to 845
[2016-12-25 15:46:35] rapidtrades : maybe it's time i revisit the old site
[2016-12-25 15:46:49] elmorte : Ah crap, I got 5 lights again
[2016-12-25 15:47:13] ett1 : elmorte: your short right?
[2016-12-25 15:47:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2369 @ 872.66
[2016-12-25 15:47:28] ett1 : are you close to your stops / liq
[2016-12-25 15:47:29] laisee : are they flashing?
[2016-12-25 15:47:30] elmorte : This is on my long
[2016-12-25 15:47:40] ett1 : hmm
[2016-12-25 15:47:43] elmorte : laisee: siren too
[2016-12-25 15:47:59] elmorte : ett1: no, nowhere near
[2016-12-25 15:48:00] laisee : oh, thats not good :-/
[2016-12-25 15:48:03] ett1 : im trying to understand how this works. you are liong BTC so going more in profit
[2016-12-25 15:48:14] shery : upward push
[2016-12-25 15:48:27] laisee : and someone is getting further in loss
[2016-12-25 15:48:37] shery : we need one more good geen to touch 880
[2016-12-25 15:49:13] elmorte : ett1: I had all lights on earlier lb the same position when it was in the red...So fck if I know
[2016-12-25 15:49:42] elmorte : On the same position*
[2016-12-25 15:49:52] ett1 : elmorte: ok so its not when you are close to liq but other traders trigger ADL so your close sooner
[2016-12-25 15:50:01] ett1 : its the other side of the coin
[2016-12-25 15:50:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 5123 @ 874.37
[2016-12-25 15:50:18] thomaskikansha : back to 6300
[2016-12-25 15:50:22] elmorte : I think it's when other traders are closer to liqdn
[2016-12-25 15:50:35] ett1 : elmorte: ok lets pray it doesnt happen to me im kinda confused
[2016-12-25 15:50:43] ett1 : can i ask what instrument
[2016-12-25 15:50:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 16000 @ 874.99
[2016-12-25 15:50:50] elmorte : But it would really suck to get ADLd while in the loss
[2016-12-25 15:50:57] elmorte : China March
[2016-12-25 15:51:21] ett1 : is one more at succeptable to ADL happening than others. like
[2016-12-25 15:51:39] thomaskikansha : no ADL as there is insurance fund?
[2016-12-25 15:51:56] elmorte : thomaskikansha: but we're not sure how much per contract
[2016-12-25 15:51:56] ett1 : elmorte: what contract is it
[2016-12-25 15:52:10] elmorte : China March dude
[2016-12-25 15:53:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 500 @ 876.94
[2016-12-25 15:54:22] weather b0y4 : ok, ill cross my fingers i dont get liquidated and leave =)
[2016-12-25 15:54:32] weather b0y4 : gl all
[2016-12-25 15:55:25] ett1 : elmorte: are you trading on high leverage
[2016-12-25 15:55:54] shery : shorts liuidation starting
[2016-12-25 15:56:28] ett1 : just tryig to understand when its more likely to happen
[2016-12-25 15:58:36] elmorte : ett1: 7.05 atm. I'm on Cross
[2016-12-25 15:58:46] elmorte : My leverage has nothing to do with my ADL
[2016-12-25 15:59:13] ett1 : thanks, ye im pretty hi levered and not close
[2016-12-25 15:59:17] ett1 : thanks
[2016-12-25 15:59:41] elmorte : How it used to work before was that liquidations were system(contract) wide. So if there was a system wide loss, everyone in the green took a haircut
[2016-12-25 15:59:41] halloz : Yum - cheap coins
[2016-12-25 15:59:59] ett1 : i need to figure it out later
[2016-12-25 16:00:14] elmorte : They amended that to just the most profitable positions taking gradual haircuts...or deleveraging
[2016-12-25 16:00:55] ett1 : the biggers winners pay first
[2016-12-25 16:00:57] elmorte : I don't get how being -10% was counted as top1% of profitable positions....
[2016-12-25 16:01:02] elmorte : ett1: exactly
[2016-12-25 16:01:23] elmorte : but if -10% was top 1%, I pray for the others! :)
[2016-12-25 16:01:57] ett1 : haha ok. like a tax on the higher earners sort of thing
[2016-12-25 16:02:13] elmorte : ett1: yeah...you had enough sir, now go home...
[2016-12-25 16:02:15] ett1 : elmorte: lol
[2016-12-25 16:02:19] thomaskikansha : BOOM
[2016-12-25 16:04:09] mariomarco : :D
[2016-12-25 16:04:15] mariomarco : immmaaa baaaaack
[2016-12-25 16:07:25] elmorte : is there a name to the format that the websocket spits out? Is it JSON?
[2016-12-25 16:07:48] thomaskikansha : short liq inc
[2016-12-25 16:08:05] ett1 : yes it will be JSON
[2016-12-25 16:08:13] mbaril : 2000 btc bought on btcchina
[2016-12-25 16:08:32] elmorte : cool...now to find a parsing library....
[2016-12-25 16:08:41] m3s : was that it for the christmas dump ?
[2016-12-25 16:09:02] m3s : cuz that was weak af
[2016-12-25 16:09:35] ett1 : ye i think it was a shake, this could turn into a short squeezze
[2016-12-25 16:10:26] m3s : my bid at 861 didnt get filled :( missed by 0,2
[2016-12-25 16:10:37] mjones : Woot glad i longed the bottom. Choo choo
[2016-12-25 16:10:48] mjones : Btc back on track towards ath
[2016-12-25 16:11:07] ett1 : i felt it was a great level to buy but didnt want to bring my liq up closer
[2016-12-25 16:13:09] m3s : 880 still great
[2016-12-25 16:13:20] m3s : will be 900 in no time
[2016-12-25 16:13:56] Angelika : $1000 is a magnet now
[2016-12-25 16:14:02] Angelika : everyone is anticipating it
[2016-12-25 16:14:05] sleger : Angelika: I'm a magnet
[2016-12-25 16:14:06] m3s : was getting paid for my longs nice
[2016-12-25 16:14:09] sleger : a chick magnet
[2016-12-25 16:14:29] ett1 : m3s: ye and basically free coming up
[2016-12-25 16:14:35] Angelika : sleger: what does your girlfriend think about that
[2016-12-25 16:14:47] m3s : ett1: yup. good times
[2016-12-25 16:15:00] sleger : I cant help it, she is used to it
[2016-12-25 16:15:11] ett1 : Angelika: she finds it replusive
[2016-12-25 16:15:19] ett1 : jk
[2016-12-25 16:15:46] Angelika : sleger are you in North America right now?
[2016-12-25 16:16:52] Angelika : if you are come visit me
[2016-12-25 16:17:17] ett1 : what. there is noone from north america on bitmex i thought! canadians /mexicasmaybe
[2016-12-25 16:18:16] Angelika : ett1: I think the biggest crowd here is from Canada
[2016-12-25 16:18:17] happy : anyone shorting this/
[2016-12-25 16:18:36] Angelika : happy: why would you short?
[2016-12-25 16:18:44] Angelika : you think the direction is down?
[2016-12-25 16:18:53] happy : anyone shorting Bitcoins now
[2016-12-25 16:19:02] sleger : Angelika: yes I am, where are you?
[2016-12-25 16:19:17] happy : IDK, It looks bearish to me..
[2016-12-25 16:19:45] ett1 : this looks bearish???
[2016-12-25 16:19:59] Angelika : sleger: Vancouver
[2016-12-25 16:20:02] happy : yeah, short term
[2016-12-25 16:20:36] ett1 : im lholding long & looks to be turning back my way
[2016-12-25 16:20:48] sleger : west coast, that's far !
[2016-12-25 16:20:58] Angelika : yes
[2016-12-25 16:21:11] ett1 : 665 users
[2016-12-25 16:21:16] ett1 : almost
[2016-12-25 16:21:28] happy : i thought this is going to touch sub 800, and then bonce to 1000.. Just maybe
[2016-12-25 16:21:43] ett1 : 420 bots lol
[2016-12-25 16:22:00] ett1 : im seeing patterns
[2016-12-25 16:22:07] Angelika : I don't know if I am counted in both
[2016-12-25 16:22:19] Angelika : I am running a bot and connected to the site to chat
[2016-12-25 16:22:39] elmorte : Angelika: apparently you are
[2016-12-25 16:22:45] elmorte : maybe your alter ego too
[2016-12-25 16:22:51] m3s : happy: that would be sweet
[2016-12-25 16:23:23] Angelika : elmorte: then the count needs to be 1000000
[2016-12-25 16:23:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 200 @ 884.47
[2016-12-25 16:24:18] Tr : easy short on the bulltrap
[2016-12-25 16:24:25] elmorte : Angelika: severe schizophrenia?
[2016-12-25 16:24:28] Angelika : Tr: go ahead
[2016-12-25 16:24:37] memes : mmm them sweet sweet btc gains
[2016-12-25 16:24:37] Angelika : let us know your size and price
[2016-12-25 16:25:38] happy : Any shorts here?
[2016-12-25 16:25:52] Angelika : happy: there are as much shorts as longs in here
[2016-12-25 16:26:10] Angelika : they are just not posting
[2016-12-25 16:26:19] memes : I wonder why
[2016-12-25 16:26:55] ett1 : not everyones trading manually shortish term
[2016-12-25 16:27:04] ett1 : most arnt id be