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[2016-12-24 11:50:41] ett1 : i think its exiting with a hope to renenter now better than another time
[2016-12-24 11:50:42] shery : Think what if new rate is 2 % Lol
[2016-12-24 11:50:57] ett1 : is there a cap
[2016-12-24 11:51:02] ytaews : rate is capped at 0.375%
[2016-12-24 11:51:09] ytaews : next one will be like 0.22%
[2016-12-24 11:51:10] shery : New drama of funding rate will start
[2016-12-24 11:51:27] m3s : next one in 10 mins ? how do you know
[2016-12-24 11:51:38] aroraprav : 8 min
[2016-12-24 11:51:42] shery : stamp, 898, bitmex 894 that doesnt look well
[2016-12-24 11:51:57] gdog : top of webpage on the right
[2016-12-24 11:52:02] ett1 : 0.4 is like $3
[2016-12-24 11:52:10] m3s : gdog: thanks
[2016-12-24 11:52:11] ett1 : i think well see it bounce 3 pts
[2016-12-24 11:52:37] ett1 : back to bitstamp levels. it used to have a premium here
[2016-12-24 11:52:43] shery : 7 mints
[2016-12-24 11:52:51] m3s : ett1: 15$ premium lol
[2016-12-24 11:52:59] shery : expect new rate to be above 1 % lol
[2016-12-24 11:53:14] aroraprav : .22%
[2016-12-24 11:53:34] gdog : .2227%
[2016-12-24 11:54:03] ett1 : is bitmex leading do u think
[2016-12-24 11:54:07] ett1 : i recon bitstamp
[2016-12-24 11:54:19] m3s : bitmex is china
[2016-12-24 11:54:29] cryptomad : And it goes to 897.24
[2016-12-24 11:54:32] cryptomad : dum
[2016-12-24 11:54:37] cryptomad : dump
[2016-12-24 11:55:22] ett1 : i wouldnt panic yet
[2016-12-24 11:55:24] Joreee : People shorting for funding rate?
[2016-12-24 11:55:27] narnarfromnarnia : shery: why does that look well?
[2016-12-24 11:55:29] shery : 898 confirmed
[2016-12-24 11:55:38] narnarfromnarnia : 898 exit?
[2016-12-24 11:55:53] cryptomad : 3mins
[2016-12-24 11:55:58] narnarfromnarnia : oh stamp
[2016-12-24 11:56:08] shery : narnarfromnarnia: doesnt look good,
[2016-12-24 11:56:19] narnarfromnarnia : shery: possible drop?
[2016-12-24 11:56:53] shery : narnarfromnarnia: No man , bitmex will pump towards 898-899 real value
[2016-12-24 11:56:53] m3s : so people exiting now not to pay next 8 hours funding ?
[2016-12-24 11:57:10] gdog : some and some are shorting to get it
[2016-12-24 11:57:13] ett1 : not everybody but some
[2016-12-24 11:57:15] breadfan : probably
[2016-12-24 11:57:28] shery : 2 mints
[2016-12-24 11:57:35] ett1 : it could have an affect but obvs theres lots of other factors
[2016-12-24 11:58:13] shery : 1 mint
[2016-12-24 11:58:16] ytaews : why exit $6 below index to avoid $3 funding... there's more to it
[2016-12-24 11:58:43] ett1 : they shorted before
[2016-12-24 11:58:47] ett1 : theyll reenter
[2016-12-24 11:58:51] ett1 : and there will be a bounce
[2016-12-24 11:59:02] ett1 : they pay less in fees than the funding rate
[2016-12-24 11:59:18] cryptomad : 40sec
[2016-12-24 11:59:20] ett1 : if they felt it was a good time to do it (market falling)
[2016-12-24 11:59:33] ytaews : who's they
[2016-12-24 11:59:39] cryptomad : 20
[2016-12-24 11:59:43] ett1 : people with long positions
[2016-12-24 11:59:50] cryptomad : 10
[2016-12-24 11:59:51] ytaews : thx for updates guys my clock in top right isn't working
[2016-12-24 11:59:52] narnarfromnarnia : cryptomad: until buy time?
[2016-12-24 11:59:53] shery : 3 sec
[2016-12-24 11:59:53] ett1 : or people who want to scalp
[2016-12-24 11:59:53] narnarfromnarnia : :)
[2016-12-24 12:00:14] shery : haha smae rate
[2016-12-24 12:00:21] cryptomad : hahaha
[2016-12-24 12:00:30] cryptomad : nothing happend
[2016-12-24 12:00:31] narnarfromnarnia : too bad it wasn't lower
[2016-12-24 12:00:42] cryptomad : GO BABY GO
[2016-12-24 12:00:42] ett1 : cryptomad: ye it will take time
[2016-12-24 12:00:45] ett1 : not instant lol
[2016-12-24 12:01:03] cryptomad : lol
[2016-12-24 12:01:18] breadfan : safe to long now? :D
[2016-12-24 12:01:19] narnarfromnarnia : lot of sell orders
[2016-12-24 12:01:20] cryptomad : short it 895.70sell
[2016-12-24 12:01:26] cryptomad : 893.45buy
[2016-12-24 12:01:36] cryptomad : play safe
[2016-12-24 12:01:45] narnarfromnarnia : cryptomad: ?
[2016-12-24 12:01:52] narnarfromnarnia : using market maker or something
[2016-12-24 12:02:01] ett1 : lets see what happens next candle. its like 8 hours till next one
[2016-12-24 12:02:07] cryptomad : narnarfromnarnia: hahaha
[2016-12-24 12:02:09] cryptomad : no no
[2016-12-24 12:02:25] breadfan : yeah, the direction is still a bit shaky
[2016-12-24 12:02:32] cryptomad : It's all santa.
[2016-12-24 12:02:39] narnarfromnarnia : this is brutal watching this
[2016-12-24 12:02:48] ett1 : if it enters a bull move, i bet swaps are at preium
[2016-12-24 12:03:10] ett1 : now they are 3 pts below but earlier they were like 5pts above
[2016-12-24 12:03:30] narnarfromnarnia : mark price is high
[2016-12-24 12:03:31] narnarfromnarnia : 901
[2016-12-24 12:03:39] narnarfromnarnia : entry is 898
[2016-12-24 12:04:49] aroraprav : its .2148%
[2016-12-24 12:04:51] aroraprav : now
[2016-12-24 12:05:11] immackay : why no breakout yet
[2016-12-24 12:05:24] immackay : glad to see funding is down
[2016-12-24 12:05:32] cryptomad : aroraprav: it will be .1583% in 30mins
[2016-12-24 12:06:06] ABHI7991 : aroraprav: helo bhai\
[2016-12-24 12:06:15] aroraprav : hello
[2016-12-24 12:06:20] ett1 : cryptomad: how do u work that out
[2016-12-24 12:07:06] cryptomad : I told you its santa telling me
[2016-12-24 12:07:13] cryptomad : :p
[2016-12-24 12:07:19] cryptomad : :-D
[2016-12-24 12:07:20] l3f : Predicted Funding Rate-0.1602% In 15 hours
[2016-12-24 12:07:31] l3f : -0.1602
[2016-12-24 12:07:32] l3f : fucking lol
[2016-12-24 12:07:48] l3f : everyone and their mom scared and shorting now?
[2016-12-24 12:08:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: sell 2000 @ 898.53
[2016-12-24 12:08:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1072 @ 898.89
[2016-12-24 12:08:35] ett1 : haha
[2016-12-24 12:09:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 33 @ 897.34
[2016-12-24 12:10:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 5650 @ 944.67
[2016-12-24 12:10:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 1000 @ 949.35
[2016-12-24 12:10:02] REKT : Blood on the streets!
[2016-12-24 12:10:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 3000 @ 944.55
[2016-12-24 12:10:49] breadfan : whoa
[2016-12-24 12:10:57] Nerve : Fuck !!!
[2016-12-24 12:11:03] gdog : time to buy the dip?
[2016-12-24 12:11:07] mariomarco : Nerve: omg the caressing
[2016-12-24 12:11:27] cryptomad : Wait Wait.Don't you hurry up.
[2016-12-24 12:11:54] Nerve : Where is the support ?
[2016-12-24 12:12:38] breadfan : it might go down a bit still
[2016-12-24 12:12:43] mjones : didnt close my H17 dip buy
[2016-12-24 12:12:48] aethlios : this is bottom
[2016-12-24 12:12:53] mjones : damn dont wanna close in loss oh well
[2016-12-24 12:13:11] Nerve : aethlios: 890 ?
[2016-12-24 12:13:12] l3f : oh it could be a bit lower
[2016-12-24 12:13:21] aethlios : yes 890
[2016-12-24 12:13:27] aethlios : personal opinion
[2016-12-24 12:13:44] immackay : 890 is the breakout point
[2016-12-24 12:13:48] immackay : 6400 cny
[2016-12-24 12:14:00] Nerve : let's start buying dip
[2016-12-24 12:14:02] immackay : whether it goes up or down, we will find out soon
[2016-12-24 12:14:04] ABHI7991 : is there any rollover fees or something like that?
[2016-12-24 12:14:05] l3f : damn I wish I got that 930 on the future in
[2016-12-24 12:14:07] l3f : fuck
[2016-12-24 12:14:14] l3f : 935
[2016-12-24 12:14:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 980 @ 897.28
[2016-12-24 12:14:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 70 @ 897.03
[2016-12-24 12:14:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 13900 @ 897.04
[2016-12-24 12:14:48] immackay : lol use more leverage kids
[2016-12-24 12:14:53] l3f : this puppy needs to be under water a bit more
[2016-12-24 12:15:27] l3f : -7 dollars from the index
[2016-12-24 12:15:34] Nerve : l3f: i'm 20x
[2016-12-24 12:15:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 500 @ 895.98
[2016-12-24 12:16:08] breadfan : w00t
[2016-12-24 12:16:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 4650 @ 6557.6
[2016-12-24 12:16:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 10000 @ 941.87
[2016-12-24 12:16:34] ett1 : btfd!
[2016-12-24 12:16:43] narnarfromnarnia : shery: ???
[2016-12-24 12:16:45] breadfan : huobi btcc pushing downward also, is this beginning of a new dump or end of the year drop
[2016-12-24 12:16:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 100 @ 893.75
[2016-12-24 12:16:47] narnarfromnarnia : exiting position?
[2016-12-24 12:16:58] immackay : lol goodnight sweet prince
[2016-12-24 12:17:14] m3s : ow shit
[2016-12-24 12:17:25] m3s : rekt city
[2016-12-24 12:17:41] l3f : it's a repeat of last night
[2016-12-24 12:17:42] immackay : to anyone holding with high leverage: stop loss
[2016-12-24 12:17:55] narnarfromnarnia : now?
[2016-12-24 12:18:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 31451 @ 892.28
[2016-12-24 12:18:07] m3s : where to catch the knife
[2016-12-24 12:18:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 891.89
[2016-12-24 12:18:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 40000 @ 891.22
[2016-12-24 12:18:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5000 @ 891.46
[2016-12-24 12:19:11] immackay : ^ now
[2016-12-24 12:19:40] narnarfromnarnia : it will go lower?
[2016-12-24 12:19:41] narnarfromnarnia : this is insane
[2016-12-24 12:20:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 500 @ 890.50
[2016-12-24 12:20:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2300 @ 889.80
[2016-12-24 12:20:27] l3f : apparently so
[2016-12-24 12:21:05] Nerve : Is there some suport at 880 ?
[2016-12-24 12:21:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5980 @ 889.33
[2016-12-24 12:21:42] narnarfromnarnia : okay whew
[2016-12-24 12:21:55] narnarfromnarnia : still hodl
[2016-12-24 12:21:59] narnarfromnarnia : 873 liq
[2016-12-24 12:22:04] narnarfromnarnia : omg
[2016-12-24 12:22:09] narnarfromnarnia : sheri!
[2016-12-24 12:22:12] narnarfromnarnia : what happened man
[2016-12-24 12:22:15] Nerve : narnarfromnarnia: me 877
[2016-12-24 12:22:22] Nerve : hold on
[2016-12-24 12:22:26] narnarfromnarnia : hold tight
[2016-12-24 12:22:31] narnarfromnarnia : looking good
[2016-12-24 12:22:38] ett1 : i think 880 is safe
[2016-12-24 12:22:39] immackay : yeah, support at 880 I think
[2016-12-24 12:22:46] narnarfromnarnia : already bounced
[2016-12-24 12:22:57] l3f : I bought at 883 lol
[2016-12-24 12:23:04] immackay : Nerve: you might want to increase that to like 874 just in case
[2016-12-24 12:23:19] Nerve : l3f: nice start ?
[2016-12-24 12:23:46] l3f : btw I lied about closing out
[2016-12-24 12:24:05] Nerve : immackay: i have set buy limit at 878
[2016-12-24 12:24:23] ett1 : everyone panicked here
[2016-12-24 12:24:33] Nerve : l3f: ofcourse you lie...LOL
[2016-12-24 12:24:41] ett1 : bearstamp still holding think its a shake of 890 and 900 stops
[2016-12-24 12:25:02] Nerve : l3f: ofcourse you lie LOL
[2016-12-24 12:25:05] ett1 : shaking out the overleveraged
[2016-12-24 12:25:39] ett1 : no premium on 716
[2016-12-24 12:26:10] ett1 : z16
[2016-12-24 12:27:01] Nerve : Have anyone Buy/Sell ration for last hour ?
[2016-12-24 12:27:24] Nerve : it looks like pretty bad...
[2016-12-24 12:28:19] billyboy402 : ett1: it settle in a week , there shouldnt be much ,
[2016-12-24 12:28:40] narnarfromnarnia : nice! sheri what did you do?
[2016-12-24 12:29:17] narnarfromnarnia : nice buys
[2016-12-24 12:29:36] BitMEX_Wally : Nerve: For XBTUSD in the last 30 minutes about 33% of takers have been buying, 66% selling
[2016-12-24 12:29:36] gdog : any need to change there underwear from that
[2016-12-24 12:29:38] shery : narnarfromnarnia: bought more at 884
[2016-12-24 12:29:44] narnarfromnarnia : gdog: lmao
[2016-12-24 12:29:45] narnarfromnarnia : yes
[2016-12-24 12:29:55] narnarfromnarnia : can we go up now
[2016-12-24 12:30:00] narnarfromnarnia : like 910+
[2016-12-24 12:30:03] narnarfromnarnia : geez
[2016-12-24 12:30:11] gdog : i 2en that
[2016-12-24 12:30:14] shery : narnarfromnarnia: No ide now, market have become unpredictabl
[2016-12-24 12:30:27] narnarfromnarnia : did you close your position then? @shery
[2016-12-24 12:30:30] Nerve : narnarfromnarnia: not yet
[2016-12-24 12:30:43] narnarfromnarnia : Nerve: dropping again?
[2016-12-24 12:30:56] anonymous789 : https://www.bfxdata.com/positions/btcusd
[2016-12-24 12:30:57] shery : narnarfromnarnia: Just strengthened my long liquidation towards 820
[2016-12-24 12:31:00] Nerve : Ofcourse...a little bit
[2016-12-24 12:31:41] Nerve : shery: what lavrege do you use ?
[2016-12-24 12:31:56] shery : Nerve: 5x
[2016-12-24 12:32:20] Nerve : shery: oh...you played safe
[2016-12-24 12:32:23] narnarfromnarnia : shery: are you trying to exit that long?
[2016-12-24 12:32:35] anonymous789 : this could be quite bad guys, cny first time we've been below SMA on the bollinger bands for a long time hourly
[2016-12-24 12:32:40] narnarfromnarnia : yes buy power arrived
[2016-12-24 12:32:40] Nerve : narnarfromnarnia: why will he do that ?
[2016-12-24 12:32:49] shery : narnarfromnarnia: rebound looks nice , may this was last dump
[2016-12-24 12:32:57] narnarfromnarnia : 257k
[2016-12-24 12:32:58] narnarfromnarnia : holy
[2016-12-24 12:33:01] anonymous789 : or it oculd be sideways
[2016-12-24 12:33:09] anonymous789 : could*
[2016-12-24 12:33:52] Nerve : Make sense....like 50/50 lol
[2016-12-24 12:35:13] narnarfromnarnia : they keep flashing 250k
[2016-12-24 12:35:15] narnarfromnarnia : on both sides
[2016-12-24 12:35:22] mariomarco : yea
[2016-12-24 12:35:30] narnarfromnarnia : mess with the walls i guess
[2016-12-24 12:35:33] narnarfromnarnia : or show support
[2016-12-24 12:35:34] narnarfromnarnia : i hope
[2016-12-24 12:36:45] narnarfromnarnia : wild
[2016-12-24 12:37:08] Nerve : https://www.bfxdata.com/positions/btcusd
[2016-12-24 12:37:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 100 @ 0.008280
[2016-12-24 12:37:44] anonymous789 : quite annoying really, all this effort to break 900 and then it starts messing around
[2016-12-24 12:37:49] anonymous789 : didn't even make a decent attempt at 1k
[2016-12-24 12:38:10] m3s : we are talking 10% moves in a day, give it some time :D
[2016-12-24 12:38:12] ett1 : there will be pain
[2016-12-24 12:38:35] Nerve : ett1: there is already
[2016-12-24 12:38:51] immackay : remember guys
[2016-12-24 12:38:55] ett1 : shake out the weak hands
[2016-12-24 12:38:57] immackay : bitcoin never retraces
[2016-12-24 12:39:05] m3s : Nerve: people who longed the top are already rekt
[2016-12-24 12:39:08] immackay : to quote rapidtrades
[2016-12-24 12:39:25] m3s : my bids at 820 are ready
[2016-12-24 12:39:35] m3s : hop they fill
[2016-12-24 12:39:37] m3s : e
[2016-12-24 12:39:52] ett1 : 887 is a -3.5% dip from 920
[2016-12-24 12:39:59] ett1 : hardly a bear market
[2016-12-24 12:40:14] anonymous789 : m3s: 820 seems pretty knife catchy, i'd imagine it tumbles if it gets anywhere near that
[2016-12-24 12:40:21] ett1 : we just hit new highs and it wont be easy to catch on and ride it all the way
[2016-12-24 12:40:29] ett1 : shakeouts will happen
[2016-12-24 12:40:52] m3s : anonymous789: 830-820 actually. would be healthy for next run up imo
[2016-12-24 12:41:10] anonymous789 : m3s: depends how it goes down, if it goes down quick, could be bad
[2016-12-24 12:41:24] m3s : anonymous789: true. lets see
[2016-12-24 12:41:35] inconspic : christmas present for longers ?
[2016-12-24 12:41:39] ett1 : i think we could still just be testing the strength of 890 to hold
[2016-12-24 12:41:46] ett1 : and 900
[2016-12-24 12:41:57] ett1 : were like 1-2% below
[2016-12-24 12:42:17] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-24 12:42:22] Coconuter : which admin is here ?
[2016-12-24 12:42:47] anonymous789 : funding rate going negative lol
[2016-12-24 12:45:19] narnarfromnarnia : this is nuts
[2016-12-24 12:45:34] narnarfromnarnia : it could really drop further with that big of buy support?
[2016-12-24 12:45:40] narnarfromnarnia : or it's whales on both sides
[2016-12-24 12:46:00] ett1 : theres a lot of money at stake
[2016-12-24 12:46:09] anonymous789 : christmas does tend to sell off
[2016-12-24 12:47:12] ett1 : anonymous789: thatsstupid. theres only been 4 christmases
[2016-12-24 12:47:25] anonymous789 : ;)
[2016-12-24 12:47:30] ett1 : just cos it happened 3 or 4 doesnt make it significant
[2016-12-24 12:47:47] anonymous789 : it's just logical if anything
[2016-12-24 12:47:59] anonymous789 : people closing positions and spending time with their family
[2016-12-24 12:48:21] imperial : after liquidation my available balance is 0.0001 Does it mean that i have lost all my deposit
[2016-12-24 12:48:49] ett1 : ye
[2016-12-24 12:49:35] m3s : imperial: yup. sorry
[2016-12-24 12:49:37] imperial : ett1: so how can I profit from this platform
[2016-12-24 12:49:39] Nerve : imperial: you will have luck next time
[2016-12-24 12:49:47] shery : if 880 doesnt holds dump is real
[2016-12-24 12:50:05] ett1 : imperial: make trades that go your way, not against you and blow up
[2016-12-24 12:50:44] ett1 : you can treat it like a casino and make 10x in a week or a few days
[2016-12-24 12:50:45] Coconuter : where is bitmex admin
[2016-12-24 12:50:47] ett1 : or lose it all
[2016-12-24 12:50:49] Coconuter : i just emailed you guys
[2016-12-24 12:51:00] ett1 : or invest for the long term adn try and double in a year
[2016-12-24 12:51:15] ett1 : everthing adjustable to suit what risk you want to take
[2016-12-24 12:51:26] BitMEX_Wally : Coconuter: Looking into it
[2016-12-24 12:51:37] Coconuter : this isnt fair wally
[2016-12-24 12:51:48] imperial : ett1: thanks man
[2016-12-24 12:52:04] narnarfromnarnia : Coconuter: what happend?
[2016-12-24 12:52:19] immackay : imperial: try learning a little TA
[2016-12-24 12:52:20] BitMEX_Wally : Coconuter: All trades are between users, BitMEX does not set the price
[2016-12-24 12:52:34] ABHI7991 : will it touch 900 again?
[2016-12-24 12:52:35] Coconuter : wally
[2016-12-24 12:52:41] immackay : Coconuter: did you lose everything
[2016-12-24 12:52:48] Coconuter : the order where there if not i wouldnt have closed
[2016-12-24 12:53:08] immackay : ho boy
[2016-12-24 12:53:32] ett1 : you had an open order, that could have been margin to save your from getting REKT? @Coconuter
[2016-12-24 12:53:38] immackay : Coconuter: I don't think Wally can help you
[2016-12-24 12:53:44] Coconuter : i mailed them
[2016-12-24 12:53:49] Coconuter : he knows this isnt fair
[2016-12-24 12:54:11] immackay : Coconuter: what happened?
[2016-12-24 12:54:20] ett1 : what happened? i really doubt there anything they can do if you make a trading mistake
[2016-12-24 12:54:20] narnarfromnarnia : ett1: what do you do, keep order open when close to liq?
[2016-12-24 12:54:31] breadfan : his stop didnt get filled i guess
[2016-12-24 12:54:35] Coconuter : not a trading mistake
[2016-12-24 12:54:56] immackay : but what happened?
[2016-12-24 12:54:58] ett1 : still dont know what happened
[2016-12-24 12:55:03] BitMEX_Wally : At 12:31 the bid price on XBCZ16 was 5500.20 and at 12:33 you submitted a market order to sell and it traded at 5500.20 down to 5336.70
[2016-12-24 12:55:13] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-24 12:55:27] Coconuter : the bot from bitmex took the price down to 5500 when i exited
[2016-12-24 12:55:34] Coconuter : it cleared all the order books
[2016-12-24 12:55:55] BitMEX_Wally : 5500 was the best bid for 2 minutes before had
[2016-12-24 12:56:13] Coconuter : no man the bot saw my exit and took the orders out
[2016-12-24 12:56:21] Coconuter : you can see right after someone bought 0,001xbt
[2016-12-24 12:56:25] Coconuter : and the price went up again
[2016-12-24 12:56:30] Coconuter : and the bot orders came back
[2016-12-24 12:56:41] Coconuter : see same as it is now
[2016-12-24 12:57:14] micmix : ^^ bs, bots can't see your market sell and react to it
[2016-12-24 12:57:31] Coconuter : they did
[2016-12-24 12:57:34] ett1 : i think hes claiming bitmex hunted his liq
[2016-12-24 12:57:38] Coconuter : once i set to sell
[2016-12-24 12:57:46] Coconuter : the bots canceled the orders
[2016-12-24 12:57:52] Coconuter : so my sell was way low
[2016-12-24 12:57:59] Coconuter : look at btccny
[2016-12-24 12:58:03] Coconuter : dec 30
[2016-12-24 12:58:05] ett1 : i think thats just bad luck
[2016-12-24 12:58:06] immackay : Coconuter: https://i.sli.mg/rbNB0B.png
[2016-12-24 12:58:11] immackay : is that what you're talking about?
[2016-12-24 12:58:12] Angelika : Coconut that's not on purpose
[2016-12-24 12:58:21] Angelika : that contract is not very liquid
[2016-12-24 12:58:23] ett1 : the bot didnt see, you just hit market order a moment before the bot was reordering its orders
[2016-12-24 12:58:31] Coconuter : well the orders where there
[2016-12-24 12:58:37] Coconuter : no man the orders where there
[2016-12-24 12:58:46] ett1 : i think its just coincidence, dont use market orders
[2016-12-24 12:58:50] Angelika : my bot constantly changes orders
[2016-12-24 12:58:54] Coconuter : lost 13 bitcoins
[2016-12-24 12:58:56] Coconuter : on this
[2016-12-24 12:58:58] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/quote?symbol=XBCZ16&columns=bidPrice&startTime=2016-12-24T12%3A31%3A00.000&endTime=2016-12-24T12%3A33%3A44.000
[2016-12-24 12:59:14] BitMEX_Wally : This is the the historical data for the bid price around that time
[2016-12-24 12:59:24] micmix : and who uses market sell for 50k contracts?
[2016-12-24 12:59:35] Coconuter : me i wanted to go out to celebrate xmass
[2016-12-24 12:59:39] BitMEX_Wally : Your sell order was at 2016-12-24T12:33:43.594Z
[2016-12-24 12:59:39] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-24 13:00:00] Coconuter : now no more xmass
[2016-12-24 13:00:08] Angelika : :(
[2016-12-24 13:00:11] Angelika : 13 is bad
[2016-12-24 13:00:20] immackay : Coconuter: that's harsh man
[2016-12-24 13:00:28] Coconuter : thank you bitmex just waiting for another pump and taking all i have out
[2016-12-24 13:01:03] Angelika : Coconuter: why did you pick XBC?
[2016-12-24 13:01:12] ett1 : Coconuter: i think its just a lesson
[2016-12-24 13:01:13] Angelika : XBT is way more liquid
[2016-12-24 13:01:22] Coconuter : just for fun i have much more in xbt
[2016-12-24 13:01:25] ett1 : careful with market orders, this can happen
[2016-12-24 13:01:38] Coconuter : but the orders here there
[2016-12-24 13:01:42] Coconuter : visually speaking
[2016-12-24 13:01:47] Coconuter : thats why i closed
[2016-12-24 13:01:52] Coconuter : it picked the first orders
[2016-12-24 13:01:53] ett1 : WERE there
[2016-12-24 13:01:54] Coconuter : than the bot
[2016-12-24 13:01:59] ett1 : they can disapear any time
[2016-12-24 13:01:59] Coconuter : canceled the orders
[2016-12-24 13:02:08] Coconuter : and filled 5500
[2016-12-24 13:02:10] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-24 13:02:13] ett1 : just like you can cancel orders
[2016-12-24 13:02:16] Angelika : Coconut they can't see your market order and cancel that fast
[2016-12-24 13:02:21] ett1 : people put fake walls sometimes
[2016-12-24 13:02:21] Angelika : it was just dumb luck
[2016-12-24 13:02:27] Coconuter : well something happend
[2016-12-24 13:02:28] immackay : ett1: yup
[2016-12-24 13:02:46] mariomarco : finex
[2016-12-24 13:02:48] mariomarco : 88888
[2016-12-24 13:02:52] mariomarco : good number for chinese
[2016-12-24 13:02:56] BitMEX_Wally : Orders are matched atomically, no-one can see your order before it is matched
[2016-12-24 13:03:18] justinlooking : Coconuter market closed 10-15% of open interest???
[2016-12-24 13:03:25] ett1 : some brokers could screw customers by having bots that hunt stops etc, but this is just a care of bad timing, and not being aware of the risks of market orders on your part
[2016-12-24 13:03:39] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: that dump was way bigger than XBT however
[2016-12-24 13:03:49] anonymous789 : 890 does seem to be holding
[2016-12-24 13:03:50] ett1 : learn from it & it will save you losing a bigger about in the future
[2016-12-24 13:03:51] Rado : so the liquidity was not there
[2016-12-24 13:04:38] Coconuter : yes the fake liquidity was showing
[2016-12-24 13:04:40] Coconuter : but acctually there where no liquidity
[2016-12-24 13:04:48] Coconuter : just fake numbers
[2016-12-24 13:05:01] ett1 : anonymous789: its not falling atleadt. its paused arounf 885-890
[2016-12-24 13:05:09] Rado : Coconuter: I see one MM that trades 12500 contracts
[2016-12-24 13:05:15] Rado : you just had to put a limit order
[2016-12-24 13:05:26] Coconuter : well i just wanted out fast
[2016-12-24 13:05:38] Coconuter : so i could enjoy the day the liquidity was falsily showing
[2016-12-24 13:05:48] Coconuter : it grabbed the first close on start
[2016-12-24 13:05:56] Coconuter : then te bot took out the limits
[2016-12-24 13:05:56] Rado : Coconuter: I do the same, but I put my limit lower so I can take out the orders
[2016-12-24 13:06:03] crmun : BitMEX_Wally: anyone from bitmex support is available on tg chat?
[2016-12-24 13:06:08] Rado : I still don't use market order
[2016-12-24 13:06:10] BitMEX_Wally : Coconuter: There was no false liquidity, the market order ate through the bids in the order book
[2016-12-24 13:06:19] Coconuter : ye well just 10 thousands dollars
[2016-12-24 13:06:25] Coconuter : not a big thing right
[2016-12-24 13:06:27] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-24 13:06:44] ett1 : its your fault, you could have seen the depth if thats the case
[2016-12-24 13:07:04] ett1 : was the book thin
[2016-12-24 13:07:11] Coconuter : the order book was full man
[2016-12-24 13:07:16] Coconuter : it had over my amount closed
[2016-12-24 13:07:22] Coconuter : on the first positions
[2016-12-24 13:07:23] mariomarco : fault or no fault, you can imagine how he feels, lets just understand him
[2016-12-24 13:07:47] ett1 : ye but also how btimex staff feels if hes asking for comp
[2016-12-24 13:08:20] anonymous789 : 6400 again
[2016-12-24 13:08:29] Rado : mariomarco: agreed
[2016-12-24 13:08:39] mariomarco : well, i think his history show that he is a competent trader and that this is not his fault to the best of his knowledge
[2016-12-24 13:08:58] Coconuter : sure just tricked by the system
[2016-12-24 13:09:04] Coconuter : they show liquidity but it aint there
[2016-12-24 13:09:08] Coconuter : watch out people
[2016-12-24 13:09:22] ett1 : sorry if i sounded harsh. i dont know him but symnaphetic too
[2016-12-24 13:09:34] gdog : that is why i use only limit orders
[2016-12-24 13:10:18] gdog : had it happen to me once and i know it from the hard way
[2016-12-24 13:10:18] BitMEX_Wally : Coconuter: Look at the API call I pasted, that shows the historical bids at that time.
[2016-12-24 13:10:36] mariomarco : im just looking at the chart how, how is it possible that it just dropped 140$
[2016-12-24 13:10:38] mariomarco : in the hole
[2016-12-24 13:11:12] mariomarco : is it possible that the market fell through that much in that precise moment for him?
[2016-12-24 13:11:35] aethlios : a trader who has a clue about what he is doing is always using limit orders, market means panic and loss of control. You always have to be in control.
[2016-12-24 13:11:43] BitMEX_Wally : I think that the market makers weren't quoting around that time so the spread was wide
[2016-12-24 13:11:58] mariomarco : 140$ wide?! :O
[2016-12-24 13:12:16] immackay : mariomarco: yeah I mean it does look weird
[2016-12-24 13:12:31] ett1 : market orders are ok for entry but not exits
[2016-12-24 13:12:31] mariomarco : immackay: its not weird its goddamn spooky :D
[2016-12-24 13:13:11] BitMEX_Wally : At the time XBCZ16 was 15% wide because the market makers weren't quoting for some reason. But it had been 15% wide for at least 10 minutes
[2016-12-24 13:15:01] ett1 : BitMEX_Wally: think is there a chance bitmex could be leading the move (rather than stamp)?
[2016-12-24 13:15:22] BitMEX_Wally : ett1: Certainly possible as we have the most volume
[2016-12-24 13:15:54] ett1 : thanks, makes sense
[2016-12-24 13:16:29] BTCDJS : aethlios: ??
[2016-12-24 13:16:30] immackay : BitMEX_Wally: in the api stats you linked, it says at 12:33:39 the bidprice was 5500, then at 12:33:43 the bid price was 5336, that seems mighty weird
[2016-12-24 13:16:31] Coconuter : yep the market fell just for me
[2016-12-24 13:16:56] Coconuter : the orders where there showing
[2016-12-24 13:17:03] Coconuter : on the first bids would cover all my sell
[2016-12-24 13:17:07] Coconuter : im not crazy
[2016-12-24 13:17:10] BitMEX_Wally : immackay: That was his order hitting the bids
[2016-12-24 13:17:16] anonymous789 : looks like we could be forming some kind 200 cny channel between 6400 and 6600
[2016-12-24 13:17:24] Coconuter : that bot is always there
[2016-12-24 13:17:43] immackay : BitMEX_Wally: ah, so he sold at a price of 5500? or 5336?
[2016-12-24 13:17:48] Rado : when you hit a bid the bot will adjust the next bid based on some logic
[2016-12-24 13:17:51] ett1 : did the first bids get executed, then the market saw this and removed orders (knowing there was a seller)
[2016-12-24 13:18:01] Coconuter : yes the first where executed
[2016-12-24 13:18:05] Coconuter : on the price
[2016-12-24 13:18:11] Coconuter : the others the bot automaticly removed the bids
[2016-12-24 13:18:22] BitMEX_Wally : ett1: No orders were cancelled or removed
[2016-12-24 13:18:24] immackay : Coconuter: oh, yeah, that's the way it works
[2016-12-24 13:18:28] Coconuter : and bought lower at 5550
[2016-12-24 13:18:31] ett1 : this seems normal to me
[2016-12-24 13:18:53] immackay : once the first bids get executed the bot will change to account for it
[2016-12-24 13:19:19] immackay : since it was pretty much just you and the bot, it likely just kept plunging
[2016-12-24 13:19:23] ett1 : imagine you have an order 2nd in the queue. you see some action close to your order. you can cancel it at any time
[2016-12-24 13:19:44] BitMEX_Wally : His market orders hit all these bids atomically: 1000 at 5500.2, 15000 at 5500.1, 2000 at 5500, 15000 at 5470, 10 at 5451.9, 50 at 5421, 15000 at 5412.4, 1940 at 5336.7
[2016-12-24 13:19:50] ett1 : you can pull you orders, just like somone pull theirs when they saw your orders coming
[2016-12-24 13:20:14] immackay : BitMEX_Wally: yeah, that seems like the bot was just accounting with the lower priced bids
[2016-12-24 13:20:44] immackay : that's why bots will make a spread of 1000 at the highest price, 5000 at a lower price, etc
[2016-12-24 13:20:51] immackay : so they can catch you
[2016-12-24 13:20:56] BitMEX_Wally : In order for a bot to pull orders he would have had to placed a limit order that didn't get filled and rested in the book, and then the market makers could pull bids below it..
[2016-12-24 13:21:21] Rado : correct
[2016-12-24 13:21:38] Rado : bot doesn't change orders if there is no movement on the price
[2016-12-24 13:22:19] BitMEX_Wally : BitMEX orders books match on a price then time priority, and all matching is atomic so no-one can react and pull orders
[2016-12-24 13:22:20] immackay : so a bot wouldn't pull orders on a market order?
[2016-12-24 13:23:00] immackay : so what were all the open bids at that time? is there any way to know?
[2016-12-24 13:23:08] narnarfromnarnia : for stops do you guys use Last for trigger?
[2016-12-24 13:23:16] narnarfromnarnia : say i want to set a stop at 880
[2016-12-24 13:23:19] immackay : ett1: did you email me yet
[2016-12-24 13:23:24] narnarfromnarnia : close on trigger?
[2016-12-24 13:23:44] BitMEX_Wally : immackay: No-one can pull orders until after the market order has executed
[2016-12-24 13:24:21] immackay : Ah okay so only a limit order would cause that sort of behavior?
[2016-12-24 13:24:23] Rado : narnarfromnarnia: I use last
[2016-12-24 13:24:31] micmix : The best bid was 5500 as Wally said, I bet he didn't look at the orderbook and just placed the market order
[2016-12-24 13:24:50] immackay : I'm just wondering what the orderbook was at the time
[2016-12-24 13:24:56] BitMEX_Wally : immackay: You can look at the /quote API end point for the historical best bid. We do not publish historical depth but I have the data from the raw orders people submit
[2016-12-24 13:25:11] immackay : BitMEX_Wally: I'm far too lazy to do that
[2016-12-24 13:25:18] Rado : immackay: lol
[2016-12-24 13:25:22] Rado : lets move on
[2016-12-24 13:25:27] Rado : we all feel for his loss
[2016-12-24 13:27:35] anonymous789 : https://www.bfxdata.com/positions/btcusd
[2016-12-24 13:27:38] anonymous789 : buyers loading up
[2016-12-24 13:41:16] m3s : much sideways
[2016-12-24 13:41:47] anonymous789 : sideways could be a good thing
[2016-12-24 13:42:23] crmun : BitMEX_Sam: are you here?
[2016-12-24 13:42:31] ett1 : the longer it goes sideways the bigger it moves when it does
[2016-12-24 13:43:11] anonymous789 : looks like a 15-20 dollar channel if it goes back up now
[2016-12-24 13:55:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCZ16`: sell 3000 @ 6351.2
[2016-12-24 13:57:15] shery : seems like btc wanna gow lower
[2016-12-24 13:58:15] Rado : shery: It just seem that way
[2016-12-24 13:58:22] Rado : ;-)
[2016-12-24 13:58:42] shery : Rado: it did dumped in past few hours lol
[2016-12-24 13:58:56] Rado : true
[2016-12-24 13:58:58] anonymous789 : 10pm in china
[2016-12-24 13:59:04] Rado : look at a little bigger picture
[2016-12-24 13:59:35] Rado : the correction is small compared to how much it went up
[2016-12-24 13:59:52] Rado : anonymous789: which side are you trading now?
[2016-12-24 14:00:01] anonymous789 : long
[2016-12-24 14:00:05] Rado : cool
[2016-12-24 14:00:10] anonymous789 : you?
[2016-12-24 14:00:29] Rado : I have some March contracts
[2016-12-24 14:00:39] Rado : just started my new MM bot
[2016-12-24 14:00:43] Rado : yesterday
[2016-12-24 14:00:47] Rado : wish me luck :-)
[2016-12-24 14:00:53] anonymous789 : cool good luck
[2016-12-24 14:00:56] anonymous789 : long?
[2016-12-24 14:01:05] Rado : on MArch yes
[2016-12-24 14:01:08] anonymous789 : cool
[2016-12-24 14:01:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCZ16`: sell 5000 @ 6343.3