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[2016-12-24 02:37:30] narnarfromnarnia : no religion here
[2016-12-24 02:37:43] shery : narnarfromnarnia: Its a nice stregady but it needs almost 24 hours to be active ,
[2016-12-24 02:40:01] immackay : 1000 from here boys
[2016-12-24 02:42:45] Coconuter : bitsamp leading
[2016-12-24 02:43:02] Coconuter : the pre move
[2016-12-24 02:44:21] narnarfromnarnia : shery: are you long now
[2016-12-24 02:44:23] narnarfromnarnia : from what price?
[2016-12-24 02:44:41] MikeHunt : isnt there usually a double dump before a massive pump?
[2016-12-24 02:46:25] l3f : MikeHunt: of course
[2016-12-24 02:47:10] shery : narnarfromnarnia: was long from 888 almost 50 xbt, closed at 726 , picked 50 xbt again at 710
[2016-12-24 02:47:54] narnarfromnarnia : shery: that sounds like a short?
[2016-12-24 02:47:57] shery : 926*
[2016-12-24 02:48:03] narnarfromnarnia : oh nice
[2016-12-24 02:48:13] narnarfromnarnia : what exchange got to 926
[2016-12-24 02:48:25] shery : narnarfromnarnia: bitmex\
[2016-12-24 02:48:29] narnarfromnarnia : what's the price gonna do now
[2016-12-24 02:48:32] narnarfromnarnia : up or down
[2016-12-24 02:48:33] narnarfromnarnia : from here
[2016-12-24 02:48:39] narnarfromnarnia : are we testing some support or
[2016-12-24 02:48:49] narnarfromnarnia : i wish i had support lines on my tradingview chart
[2016-12-24 02:49:16] shery : narnarfromnarnia: we will see new high on bitmex in 2 ours , it mght go down again for a while but new high is coming for sure
[2016-12-24 02:49:27] MikeHunt : it could reach 7k but its pretty top heavy atm
[2016-12-24 02:49:37] narnarfromnarnia : shery: do you have this charted out or something?
[2016-12-24 02:49:42] narnarfromnarnia : 2hrs why?
[2016-12-24 02:49:46] narnarfromnarnia : new 4hr candle or something?
[2016-12-24 02:49:58] fuckshitstack : i feel that too, I cant believe that todays daily candle is still flat. was expexting vertical. we are coiling up
[2016-12-24 02:50:28] shery : narnarfromnarnia: Does this rally needs any chart?? Pumps are followig regular timings , I am noting the times it pumps daily, stopped following charts in this super bullish rally
[2016-12-24 02:50:53] narnarfromnarnia : like right now when china gets up?
[2016-12-24 02:51:02] narnarfromnarnia : anyone actually using charts?
[2016-12-24 02:51:04] narnarfromnarnia : lol
[2016-12-24 02:51:28] shery : narnarfromnarnia: yeps next round an an hour and than after 5 hours from now
[2016-12-24 02:51:52] shery : narnarfromnarnia: watch out pump tries on these timings
[2016-12-24 02:52:18] narnarfromnarnia : i would have to disagree
[2016-12-24 02:52:28] narnarfromnarnia : the 30M is just going red so in 1hr it's all down
[2016-12-24 02:52:33] MikeHunt : looking at charts it does seem to be curling over though
[2016-12-24 02:53:03] shery : narnarfromnarnia: lets see who is correct, 1 hours is green for me , 15-30 might be a small red
[2016-12-24 02:53:57] MikeHunt : okcoin is green for 30M
[2016-12-24 02:54:25] MikeHunt : (oh i see we cant mention other exchanges)
[2016-12-24 02:54:46] immackay : MikeHunt: no just okcoin lol
[2016-12-24 02:55:29] immackay : narnarfromnarnia: why would we use charts
[2016-12-24 02:55:36] ett1 : can somebody tell me why its called okcoin
[2016-12-24 02:55:39] immackay : I just trade based on what I read in the trollbox
[2016-12-24 02:55:45] MikeHunt : also bfxdata is swaying back towards buy
[2016-12-24 02:55:45] immackay : ett1: no clue lol
[2016-12-24 02:57:20] ett1 : Funding Rate0.1264% In 1 hour
[2016-12-24 02:57:57] ett1 : nvm
[2016-12-24 02:58:31] narnarfromnarnia : MikeHunt: it's been equal for a while
[2016-12-24 02:58:48] narnarfromnarnia : immackay: i dunno some indicators are still useful
[2016-12-24 02:58:55] narnarfromnarnia : ie: william r%
[2016-12-24 02:59:07] immackay : narnarfromnarnia: I was joking lol, charts are the shit
[2016-12-24 02:59:27] narnarfromnarnia : immackay: do you have this charted with any support lines on tradingview?
[2016-12-24 02:59:33] shery : narnarfromnarnia: may be a bull run started
[2016-12-24 02:59:35] mjones : it looked like btc was ready to roll over and die after the last 2 pumps but it keeps going higher
[2016-12-24 02:59:40] narnarfromnarnia : i really need help figuring out
[2016-12-24 02:59:54] narnarfromnarnia : support lines but too small of a screen to measure that far back
[2016-12-24 02:59:58] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: maybe you should figure it out before gambling?
[2016-12-24 03:00:23] narnarfromnarnia : l3f: i'm using the right indicators,they're not really helpful in this bull run
[2016-12-24 03:00:29] narnarfromnarnia : but yeah
[2016-12-24 03:01:21] l3f : As an expert on tops
[2016-12-24 03:01:28] l3f : this isn't top yet
[2016-12-24 03:01:34] l3f : imho
[2016-12-24 03:02:03] immackay : narnarfromnarnia: at this point in the bull run, most lines mean nothing
[2016-12-24 03:02:08] immackay : wait for another dump
[2016-12-24 03:02:14] immackay : then it will pump again
[2016-12-24 03:02:25] immackay : unless it pumps from here but I doubt it
[2016-12-24 03:02:34] narnarfromnarnia : that was more like a consolidation gear up right there
[2016-12-24 03:02:37] narnarfromnarnia : i do feel like it's going up for sure
[2016-12-24 03:02:49] narnarfromnarnia : it's about equal with short/longs on bfx data
[2016-12-24 03:03:06] immackay : yeah, it'll go up more, just after mm knock out some longs
[2016-12-24 03:04:32] rapidtrades : sure, it will keep going forever
[2016-12-24 03:04:41] immackay : rapidtrades: not forever
[2016-12-24 03:04:56] immackay : just market mentality right now is that it's going up
[2016-12-24 03:05:03] immackay : self fulfilling prophecy
[2016-12-24 03:05:21] shery : narnarfromnarnia: you should stop following bfx data ,
[2016-12-24 03:05:23] immackay : it's definitely running out of steam
[2016-12-24 03:05:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `REP7D`: buy 42 @ 0.002921
[2016-12-24 03:06:28] immackay : I kind of think 950 is the top of this bull run
[2016-12-24 03:08:04] mjones : i could see a fake out pump that barely makes a new high in china and then dumps to shit
[2016-12-24 03:12:12] ett1 : chinese really love their round numbers
[2016-12-24 03:12:31] ett1 : it will go 7000
[2016-12-24 03:14:02] imapotato : Next pump incoming?
[2016-12-24 03:14:07] MikeHunt : 7k will probably be the last pump
[2016-12-24 03:14:29] MikeHunt : then once it fails to hold, the big red comes
[2016-12-24 03:15:10] ett1 : depends if 1000 breaks. could be huge
[2016-12-24 03:15:20] ett1 : whats everyones thoughs on LTC btw
[2016-12-24 03:15:50] shery : ett1: ltc is dead
[2016-12-24 03:16:15] MikeHunt : yup
[2016-12-24 03:16:17] mjones : if it hits 7000 why stop there. hit the all time high at 7995 cny and then dump to like 6900 cny
[2016-12-24 03:16:17] MikeHunt : same with eth
[2016-12-24 03:16:29] MikeHunt : the entire chart is a cup n handle
[2016-12-24 03:16:32] ett1 : ye ETH is dead i think
[2016-12-24 03:16:39] MikeHunt : going back to previous $1k a few years back
[2016-12-24 03:16:45] ett1 : LTC made a nice break & has some decent upsude i think
[2016-12-24 03:16:47] ett1 : but scared
[2016-12-24 03:16:55] shery : ett1: ryh will rebound but ltc , yess it is this
[2016-12-24 03:17:03] shery : eth*
[2016-12-24 03:17:17] MikeHunt : usually altcoins go up a bit during a BTC pump, but go down even faster in a BTC major dump
[2016-12-24 03:17:23] MikeHunt : so in the end they end up even lower value
[2016-12-24 03:17:48] ett1 : yes im long term BTC bull
[2016-12-24 03:17:53] ett1 : i missed other alts rallies
[2016-12-24 03:18:01] ett1 : but i id look to short a few
[2016-12-24 03:18:06] MikeHunt : after the next major dump i wouldnt be suprised if LTC is <$2
[2016-12-24 03:18:16] ett1 : would be be nice to catch a rally on one
[2016-12-24 03:18:22] shery : ett1: fct could have been a nice short
[2016-12-24 03:20:46] imapotato : Haha, dump after ATH. No.
[2016-12-24 03:21:26] imapotato : If we reach ATH, we're going to pop to much higher levels before the eventual return to a new normal.
[2016-12-24 03:22:10] Coconuter : 2000u$
[2016-12-24 03:22:11] imapotato : If we don't reach the ATH on this rally, I think we'll return to ~700 and resume the slow climb.
[2016-12-24 03:22:16] Coconuter : by january 10th
[2016-12-24 03:23:16] rapidtrades : guys market has been going up so it will keep going up
[2016-12-24 03:26:16] l3f : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/5jv375/daily_discussion_friday_december_23_2016/dbkhfuj
[2016-12-24 03:26:24] l3f : which one of you is this?
[2016-12-24 03:28:58] Rado : hey rapidtrades
[2016-12-24 03:29:13] Rado : my MM bot is live :-)
[2016-12-24 03:31:59] narnarfromnarnia : rapidtrades: hey man, do you use a chart or mainly bots?
[2016-12-24 03:32:26] rapidtrades : Rado: Trail by FIRE
[2016-12-24 03:33:39] Rado : not sure what that means
[2016-12-24 03:34:35] rapidtrades : it's a good time to test a MM bot
[2016-12-24 03:34:37] zanza : real world test
[2016-12-24 03:34:46] Rado : yes
[2016-12-24 03:35:10] Rado : So far the dip from 926 to 907 was fine
[2016-12-24 03:35:36] rapidtrades : arbitrage's bot blew up
[2016-12-24 03:35:58] Rado : he did not have a skew and did not move orders fast enough
[2016-12-24 03:36:02] Rado : I think
[2016-12-24 03:36:15] Rado : that was the hardest part to figure out for me
[2016-12-24 03:36:42] Angelika : hey rapidntrades, I am Rado's bot nice to meet you
[2016-12-24 03:40:09] Angelika : I mean rapidtrades
[2016-12-24 03:41:04] narnarfromnarnia : rapidtrades: how much btc would you need for that?
[2016-12-24 03:41:10] narnarfromnarnia : also what kind of configurations
[2016-12-24 03:41:14] imapotato : Hi rapid trades, I'm a potato
[2016-12-24 03:41:16] narnarfromnarnia : i see it's in python
[2016-12-24 03:41:27] Rado : apparently BitMEX had the highest volume ever
[2016-12-24 03:43:03] rapidtrades : $10 for 6 days is too much
[2016-12-24 03:43:35] rapidtrades : that's 66% annualized
[2016-12-24 03:47:44] javierstone : christmas
[2016-12-24 03:47:52] javierstone : is fucking this up
[2016-12-24 03:56:14] ett1 : MM isnt going to work in a strong trending market
[2016-12-24 03:56:21] ett1 : price can jump and fuck the MM
[2016-12-24 04:00:52] narnarfromnarnia : i go to get something to eat and we're dumping already
[2016-12-24 04:01:56] l3f : lol it's xmas eve
[2016-12-24 04:02:05] l3f : and you are stuck here worrying about movements on the 1m chart
[2016-12-24 04:02:15] l3f : shit ain't moving today
[2016-12-24 04:02:21] rapidtrades : 1. it's not 'eve' yet
[2016-12-24 04:02:30] l3f : rapidtrades: it is in China
[2016-12-24 04:02:32] rapidtrades : 2. noone cares about ur stupid opinion
[2016-12-24 04:02:47] MrRGnome : 2. counting
[2016-12-24 04:02:51] rapidtrades : China is atheist
[2016-12-24 04:02:51] l3f : rapidtrades: but I care about yours
[2016-12-24 04:02:57] l3f : xmas is fun
[2016-12-24 04:03:07] l3f : you're breaking my heart rapidtrades
[2016-12-24 04:04:06] MrRGnome : we should all chip in for a grinch hat for rapidtrades
[2016-12-24 04:04:10] mariomarco : how long until 1000
[2016-12-24 04:04:21] l3f : mariomarco: christmas is cancelled
[2016-12-24 04:04:24] l3f : by rapidtrades
[2016-12-24 04:04:26] l3f : it's all his fault
[2016-12-24 04:04:28] MrRGnome : something like this https://www.amazon.com/elope-Grinch-Hoodie-Hat/dp/B007AFPVAC
[2016-12-24 04:04:28] l3f : we'll never see 1k
[2016-12-24 04:04:37] mariomarco : l3f: why not
[2016-12-24 04:04:43] Rado : mariomarco: $85
[2016-12-24 04:04:45] l3f : the grinch stole xmas again
[2016-12-24 04:05:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: buy 50 @ 0.001235
[2016-12-24 04:05:07] l3f : rapidtrades is going to dump 1000 btcs to end xmas forever
[2016-12-24 04:05:16] l3f : only a brave team of bulls can stop his evil schemes
[2016-12-24 04:05:26] mariomarco : ohnoez
[2016-12-24 04:05:30] l3f : we have 24 hours before xmas is ruined forever
[2016-12-24 04:05:37] MrRGnome : Somebody stop him!
[2016-12-24 04:05:48] l3f : where's the hero we need?
[2016-12-24 04:05:56] MrRGnome : You won't get away with this rapidtrades
[2016-12-24 04:06:59] rapidtrades : remember that guy that longed 1mil and got liquidated right before this pump
[2016-12-24 04:07:18] Rado : no
[2016-12-24 04:07:22] Rado : who was that?
[2016-12-24 04:07:26] l3f : rapidtrades: where have you taken him prisoner?
[2016-12-24 04:07:30] ett1 : ouch. longed @ what price
[2016-12-24 04:07:51] ett1 : liquidated i mean
[2016-12-24 04:07:54] rapidtrades : idk but it happened few days ago
[2016-12-24 04:08:08] rapidtrades : longed around 780-800 ish
[2016-12-24 04:08:15] mariomarco : damn
[2016-12-24 04:08:47] rapidtrades : it was same day december crashed to 710 or smth
[2016-12-24 04:08:59] rapidtrades : but he longed on JPY i think
[2016-12-24 04:09:03] ett1 : oh well, he missed this bull run but maybe he can short before the 20% retrace.
[2016-12-24 04:09:04] VitalikButerin : Hello, trollbox!
[2016-12-24 04:09:22] Rado : hey VitalikButerin
[2016-12-24 04:09:24] l3f : VitalikButerin: I'm so sorry about ethereum
[2016-12-24 04:09:33] Rado : lol
[2016-12-24 04:09:35] rapidtrades : OMG THE REAL VITALIK IS HERE
[2016-12-24 04:09:43] MrRGnome : Don't be, he dumped
[2016-12-24 04:09:44] mariomarco : eth needs more dump imo
[2016-12-24 04:09:57] MrRGnome : +1 dump. I want to see 0.005
[2016-12-24 04:09:57] ett1 : hey vitalik are you on tradingview
[2016-12-24 04:09:59] rapidtrades : VitalikButerin: do u come with a personal recommendation to buy ZECs?
[2016-12-24 04:10:14] l3f : rapidtrades is a very big fan of ethereum
[2016-12-24 04:10:19] VitalikButerin : I shall not make any remarks on the price of ETH as it was never intended to be a currency.
[2016-12-24 04:10:32] mariomarco : lol
[2016-12-24 04:10:32] ett1 : nor an investment
[2016-12-24 04:10:41] ett1 : its just the gas to fuel the platform
[2016-12-24 04:10:44] rapidtrades : but on ZEC, a great buy amirite? @VitalikButerin
[2016-12-24 04:10:51] l3f : VitalikButerin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atuFSv2bLa8
[2016-12-24 04:11:05] VitalikButerin : Whether it is a great buy or not, I cannot say. I am no prophet.
[2016-12-24 04:11:37] ett1 : im launching an ICO: METHANE PLATFORM
[2016-12-24 04:11:40] ett1 : it has its own gas
[2016-12-24 04:11:48] l3f : VitalikButerin: are you the real guy or just role playing?
[2016-12-24 04:12:03] narnarfromnarnia : ett1: what direction are we going in?
[2016-12-24 04:12:07] rapidtrades : doesn't seem like the real guy
[2016-12-24 04:12:16] rapidtrades : the real Vitalik would've loved ZEC
[2016-12-24 04:12:23] ett1 : hes not the real guy
[2016-12-24 04:12:24] VitalikButerin : It's me, but it's alright if you don't believe me.
[2016-12-24 04:12:40] l3f : VitalikButerin: well I'd like a signed cryptographic proof with your pgp key
[2016-12-24 04:12:46] ett1 : look at TV chatbox
[2016-12-24 04:12:54] ett1 : he said you are fake
[2016-12-24 04:12:57] VitalikButerin : I'm vacationing in India as of now :)
[2016-12-24 04:12:59] ett1 : the real one
[2016-12-24 04:13:16] l3f : Ah professional role player
[2016-12-24 04:13:22] rapidtrades : l3f: that's not good enough cos he'd find a way to screw it up
[2016-12-24 04:13:41] l3f : might have to hard fork his pgp key after
[2016-12-24 04:13:46] VitalikButerin : Well, goodbye now!
[2016-12-24 04:13:55] ett1 : busted
[2016-12-24 04:14:45] l3f : liar liar pants on fire
[2016-12-24 04:15:58] micmix : last time he was answering questions asked in Russian, so might be real Vitalik (or someone who speaks a bit of Russian)
[2016-12-24 04:16:03] ett1 : im the real vbuterin
[2016-12-24 04:17:56] rapidtrades : If I was the real Vitalik and was going to buy a bunch of ZEC here on margin, I wouldn't say ZEC is a good buy
[2016-12-24 04:18:23] rapidtrades : hence there can be only one answer, he's the real Vitalik and came here to buy ZEC on margin
[2016-12-24 04:18:53] micmix : solid logic, everyone should buy ZEC now!
[2016-12-24 04:19:45] Baseballman : I'm Brian and so is my wife..... sorry could not resist....
[2016-12-24 04:19:49] ett1 : 0.0375% funding rate
[2016-12-24 04:19:53] ett1 : fuck me
[2016-12-24 04:20:44] ett1 : can somebody tell me, am i paying too much funding rate vs going on futures. i think its going to 1000
[2016-12-24 04:21:03] ett1 : lets say in within 1 week
[2016-12-24 04:22:58] sleger : Then you should have bought z16
[2016-12-24 04:23:37] sleger : But dont worry the funding is not what you said it was
[2016-12-24 04:23:44] ett1 : should i sell and buy into z16 instead
[2016-12-24 04:24:42] ett1 : is there much difference of would it cost me a lot being in swaps if theres a strong cotinued bull?
[2016-12-24 04:24:48] sleger : Depends what the funding becomes
[2016-12-24 04:25:03] sleger : or if bitmex changes the rules
[2016-12-24 04:25:07] ett1 : tell me if i work this out right
[2016-12-24 04:25:21] sleger : no
[2016-12-24 04:25:58] sleger : Just like Vitalik the great said , i am no prophet
[2016-12-24 04:26:27] ett1 : lets say z16 is 920 and spot is 910. 10 of 910 is 1.1%
[2016-12-24 04:26:32] ett1 : say 6 days
[2016-12-24 04:26:38] rapidtrades : Has anyone been trading on btce mt4 lately?
[2016-12-24 04:26:55] ett1 : 1.1/6=0.183%
[2016-12-24 04:27:15] ett1 : is that what the daily 'funding rate' equivalent is on z16
[2016-12-24 04:27:28] sleger : Your math is not wrong
[2016-12-24 04:28:24] ett1 : ok thanks. so if i think funding rate is going to be higher than this, im better with futures. if i expect it to be lower, id be better with swaps
[2016-12-24 04:28:30] Hawkeye : rapidtrades: i am
[2016-12-24 04:28:56] rapidtrades : Hawkeye: what's the current swap rate for longs
[2016-12-24 04:29:35] l3f : Tell me sleger, what do you see in H17 now?
[2016-12-24 04:29:50] Hawkeye : 0.28 mbit / day /btc (they try to get to aprox 10%/year)
[2016-12-24 04:29:57] Hawkeye : buy/sell fees 0,5%
[2016-12-24 04:30:08] l3f : I see nothing but death and idespair
[2016-12-24 04:30:11] Hawkeye : used to be 0 swap fees :(
[2016-12-24 04:30:21] l3f : It's hope and optimism. Gone
[2016-12-24 04:30:24] l3f : its*
[2016-12-24 04:30:30] rapidtrades : yeah that ride is over @Hawkeye
[2016-12-24 04:30:40] l3f : when I look into H17 all I see is rapidtrade's face
[2016-12-24 04:30:49] Hawkeye : was fantstic for holds :)
[2016-12-24 04:30:53] zanza : its not a fee Hawkeye
[2016-12-24 04:30:58] zanza : when did they have no fee?
[2016-12-24 04:31:14] rapidtrades : always, until may of this year
[2016-12-24 04:31:17] ett1 : sleger: "But dont worry the funding is not what you said it was" im reading 0.375% in 7 hours
[2016-12-24 04:31:22] ett1 : what am i missing
[2016-12-24 04:31:25] Hawkeye : dont know when they changed it but before they had no charge to hold days/week
[2016-12-24 04:31:26] Hawkeye : s
[2016-12-24 04:31:37] sleger : ett1: you said 0.0375
[2016-12-24 04:31:49] sleger : %
[2016-12-24 04:31:52] zanza : people seriously don't undersstand what they are trading lol
[2016-12-24 04:32:17] zanza : it was a 24 hour contract before, how is that good for holding?
[2016-12-24 04:32:22] ett1 : right this rate its over 1%/day
[2016-12-24 04:32:31] zanza : if you have to reopen every 24h
[2016-12-24 04:32:51] sleger : Kind of like the alts here currently
[2016-12-24 04:33:23] ett1 : ok i think i have to sell my swaps and reopen futures. ill try and time a dip
[2016-12-24 04:33:36] rapidtrades : zanza: we're tlking about btce bud
[2016-12-24 04:33:47] zanza : btce is like 10% / year
[2016-12-24 04:33:48] ett1 : paying too much funding i think vs what the premium would be
[2016-12-24 04:33:57] rapidtrades : zanza: it was 0% before
[2016-12-24 04:34:03] zanza : long and short both pay, so its a truee fee
[2016-12-24 04:34:06] ett1 : it that correct
[2016-12-24 04:35:24] rapidtrades : Hawkeye: it's the same fee for long and shorts right
[2016-12-24 04:35:38] zanza : btw, they did here like over 50k total volume, average .05% fee is 25 BTC in fees!
[2016-12-24 04:35:50] zanza : yacht money
[2016-12-24 04:36:21] l3f : yeah but many employees
[2016-12-24 04:36:48] rapidtrades : i think zanza has started the holidays early
[2016-12-24 04:36:54] zanza : rofl
[2016-12-24 04:36:55] rapidtrades : if u know what Im saying
[2016-12-24 04:37:07] zanza : remember when that Romanian guy was posting here
[2016-12-24 04:37:12] Hawkeye : rapidtrades: yes and they take it in one go 0,5% (so 0,025 per sale and 0,25 for buy or the other way on shorts)
[2016-12-24 04:37:15] zanza : about all the drugs hes doing
[2016-12-24 04:37:36] rapidtrades : Hawkeye: yea i know, i meant the swap fee
[2016-12-24 04:37:48] zanza : swap is not a fee here
[2016-12-24 04:37:54] zanza : its 0 sum
[2016-12-24 04:37:59] Hawkeye : no clue i assume it will be the same but i dont short bulltrends so wouldnt know for sure, sorry
[2016-12-24 04:38:02] ett1 : rapidtrades: am i a moron for holding swaps from 800 vs z16
[2016-12-24 04:38:59] micmix : where is the premium? guys, start buying
[2016-12-24 04:39:39] ett1 : micmix: what do u mean
[2016-12-24 04:39:57] zanza : ett1: that is like saying you are an idiot for not going 100x long when price was $700
[2016-12-24 04:40:21] micmix : look at swap, trading at mark price
[2016-12-24 04:40:28] ett1 : im asking, did i pay too much in funding vs premium
[2016-12-24 04:40:44] ett1 : micmix: z16 too cheap now?
[2016-12-24 04:40:56] ett1 : im thinking of rolling swaps into z16
[2016-12-24 04:41:20] rapidtrades : zanza: we're talking about BTCE
[2016-12-24 04:41:28] rapidtrades : u punch drinking pole
[2016-12-24 04:41:43] ett1 : im trying to work out if im paying too much in funding & better holding z16 instead. if premium is low ill do that
[2016-12-24 04:41:45] zanza : u shuld talk about BTCE on BTCE
[2016-12-24 04:42:21] zanza : 1% premium on Z16
[2016-12-24 04:42:24] micmix : you can buy swap now, close in 7 hours and don't pay anything
[2016-12-24 04:42:44] zanza : the swap has unpredictable funding, it could be -.375% for a week
[2016-12-24 04:43:03] zanza : u pay .05% fee micmix
[2016-12-24 04:43:04] ett1 : im long swaps now. ive been holding from 800 and will hold if it goes to 1000
[2016-12-24 04:43:14] ett1 : am i better selling swaps to buy z16 or just hold them
[2016-12-24 04:43:20] zanza : and how about $600 ?
[2016-12-24 04:43:21] micmix : zanza: not if you do it as a maker
[2016-12-24 04:43:33] ett1 : um a but confused about how funding rate works
[2016-12-24 04:43:44] rapidtrades : BAN EVERYONE
[2016-12-24 04:43:56] micmix : ^agree
[2016-12-24 04:44:01] ett1 : micmix: huh. im just riding the trend
[2016-12-24 04:44:02] zanza : the interface here makes it complicated to be a maker
[2016-12-24 04:44:28] Hawkeye : zanza: ? how so just click post-only ...
[2016-12-24 04:44:30] sleger : Dont ban REKT he is my only friend in the chinese trollbox
[2016-12-24 04:44:42] zanza : you wont get an order filled unless you constantly adjust it
[2016-12-24 04:44:43] ett1 : i think im paying 1%/day in funding but premium is only about 1%
[2016-12-24 04:44:44] zanza : manually
[2016-12-24 04:44:51] micmix : yeah, REKT needs more friends
[2016-12-24 04:44:59] zanza : or run some bot programmed by Ruskies
[2016-12-24 04:45:03] ett1 : can someone help me undestand
[2016-12-24 04:45:17] Hawkeye : ett1: the last funding was only 0,12xx% the next round is a bit steep yes
[2016-12-24 04:45:26] sleger : ett1: maybe you need a brain implant
[2016-12-24 04:45:37] zanza : I think they should uncap funding :)
[2016-12-24 04:45:45] zanza : no reason to cap at .375%
[2016-12-24 04:46:11] ett1 : sleger: just tell me. i think i undestand. swaps are more costly right now
[2016-12-24 04:46:16] Hawkeye : with funding i still have btce on 1 , kraken 2 and swaps here 3
[2016-12-24 04:46:25] rapidtrades : dunno why they're not lowering leverage, its clear vol is throw the roof
[2016-12-24 04:46:36] rapidtrades : this will just needlessly deplete the fund
[2016-12-24 04:46:37] zanza : ADL doesn't matter
[2016-12-24 04:47:15] zanza : https://www.bitmex.com/app/insuranceFund
[2016-12-24 04:47:33] rapidtrades : that's mostly ZEC tho
[2016-12-24 04:47:50] ett1 : sleger: pls
[2016-12-24 04:48:36] sleger : ett1: you look like a pigeon asking for food in a public park and everyone ignoring it
[2016-12-24 04:50:45] ett1 : perhaps im asking the wrong people
[2016-12-24 04:50:56] Hawkeye : ett1: ask one of the ppl of bitmex
[2016-12-24 04:51:19] ett1 : its because nobody knows. low IQ
[2016-12-24 04:51:28] Hawkeye : for now the next funding will cost you 0,375% and the one after looks to be almost as high
[2016-12-24 04:51:29] rapidtrades : +1
[2016-12-24 04:51:42] rapidtrades : can't agree with that, IQ is really low here
[2016-12-24 04:52:15] micmix : ^^ can or can't?
[2016-12-24 04:52:20] Hawkeye : you cant agree with the statement iq is low... because iq is low ? :)
[2016-12-24 04:52:53] Hawkeye : (maybe he is just trying to prove the point ;P )
[2016-12-24 04:52:56] dodic : maybe his iq is low so he cant comment on iq
[2016-12-24 04:52:58] ett1 : he meant can
[2016-12-24 04:53:14] rapidtrades : i meant argue
[2016-12-24 04:53:16] dodic : thats to obvious
[2016-12-24 04:53:28] rapidtrades : yeah proved the point too i guess
[2016-12-24 04:53:31] Hawkeye : good thing i tested mine before messing up the brain too bad ;)
[2016-12-24 04:54:44] Hawkeye : now someone buy this up to 1k so i can get some sleep ;)
[2016-12-24 04:57:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `LTC7D`: buy 2 @ 0.005140
[2016-12-24 05:07:04] thomaskikansha : funding rate at capagain?
[2016-12-24 05:07:13] MrRGnome : yep
[2016-12-24 05:07:39] Hawkeye : once set it wont change to a lower rate right ?
[2016-12-24 05:07:43] thomaskikansha : was like 0.1X% yesterday
[2016-12-24 05:08:02] MrRGnome : current rate won't change, predicted rate (hover) will
[2016-12-24 05:08:09] Hawkeye : ok got it , thnx
[2016-12-24 05:08:22] Hawkeye : so lets get to 1k before the next rate is billed ;)
[2016-12-24 05:08:40] MrRGnome : I agree, 1k in the next 6 hours please.
[2016-12-24 05:09:08] MrRGnome : If we start to consolidate a lot of longs here are goign to feel the hurt of that funding rate
[2016-12-24 05:09:45] l3f : MrRGnome: if I was a whale
[2016-12-24 05:09:52] narnarfromnarnia : moon
[2016-12-24 05:09:52] l3f : longs need a bit more torture first
[2016-12-24 05:10:01] l3f : a week long shakeout
[2016-12-24 05:10:05] l3f : should do the trick
[2016-12-24 05:10:06] Hawkeye : its not disastrous as long as it keeps rising more than that rate :)
[2016-12-24 05:10:25] l3f : but I also know that there's going to be more buyers
[2016-12-24 05:10:28] l3f : and I can't shake myself out
[2016-12-24 05:10:34] MrRGnome : If we could keep in the 900's for a week I will be very happy. the longer we stay up here the higher the floor will be when we drop.
[2016-12-24 05:10:54] l3f : lol slight price movement
[2016-12-24 05:10:57] l3f : instantly 100x long
[2016-12-24 05:11:01] l3f : 924 already
[2016-12-24 05:11:03] l3f : fucking lol
[2016-12-24 05:11:23] Hawkeye : china is in the mood again
[2016-12-24 05:11:40] Hawkeye : guess there goes my sleep again :) 6.10 AM
[2016-12-24 05:12:13] MrRGnome : I'm amazed at how much demand there is at these prices
[2016-12-24 05:12:14] ett1 : Hawkeye: thanks for helping btw. i think it isnt worth rolling over, when i factor in fees and spread
[2016-12-24 05:12:39] MrRGnome : up we go again?
[2016-12-24 05:12:46] Hawkeye : if it stays at this rate the growth in price needs to be high for it to be worth it
[2016-12-24 05:13:05] Hawkeye : but like now we're growing way faster then that % so its worth paying it
[2016-12-24 05:14:19] ett1 : ye. i'd have to sell out of swaps, byt the z16 then in 6 days might have to repoen. its tempting. i might try a 100x with a small amount and scale into it if i make a profit on that
[2016-12-24 05:14:26] l3f : If btc etf passes on jan 10
[2016-12-24 05:14:27] MrRGnome : If you say so, it's dangerous enough longing at these prices as is - I don't need an idiot tax applied to me on top of it.
[2016-12-24 05:14:30] l3f : then we're going to attempt a moon landing
[2016-12-24 05:14:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `LTC7D`: buy 122 @ 0.005210
[2016-12-24 05:16:37] javierstone : lez go
[2016-12-24 05:17:10] Hawkeye : whats the cost on opening / closing a future ?
[2016-12-24 05:19:11] imapotato : China coming back from lunch here we go
[2016-12-24 05:19:21] javierstone : its the weekend
[2016-12-24 05:19:36] thomaskikansha : we trade $9 above index on swap :o
[2016-12-24 05:19:39] imapotato : China eats on weekends.
[2016-12-24 05:19:47] javierstone : no they don't
[2016-12-24 05:19:51] imapotato : :|
[2016-12-24 05:20:16] imapotato : Just hush your mouth and get long.
[2016-12-24 05:22:28] MikeHunt : okcoin dont look too healthy
[2016-12-24 05:22:48] narnarfromnarnia : seems like longs make less than shorts?
[2016-12-24 05:22:54] narnarfromnarnia : or my maths broken
[2016-12-24 05:23:03] javierstone : interest
[2016-12-24 05:23:15] narnarfromnarnia : oh
[2016-12-24 05:23:18] narnarfromnarnia : shorts no interest?
[2016-12-24 05:23:20] rapidtrades : okcoin are pros not degenerate gamblers like here
[2016-12-24 05:23:20] BitMEX_Wally : narnarfromnarnia: It is zero sum, so longs make what shorts lose
[2016-12-24 05:23:27] javierstone : shorts make money on interest
[2016-12-24 05:23:30] javierstone : and its really high rite now
[2016-12-24 05:23:39] narnarfromnarnia : javierstone: ok thanks
[2016-12-24 05:23:53] imapotato : I'm not degenerate :|
[2016-12-24 05:24:13] l3f : because you're a degenerate :)
[2016-12-24 05:24:14] narnarfromnarnia : didn't we hit 940 earlier today here?
[2016-12-24 05:24:20] shery : push was weak
[2016-12-24 05:24:23] narnarfromnarnia : i think we're heading back
[2016-12-24 05:24:31] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: of course we are
[2016-12-24 05:24:32] l3f : go short
[2016-12-24 05:24:34] l3f : seriously
[2016-12-24 05:24:36] imapotato : 940 and beyond
[2016-12-24 05:24:36] l3f : fuck
[2016-12-24 05:24:37] l3f : all in short
[2016-12-24 05:24:41] l3f : jesus
[2016-12-24 05:24:49] narnarfromnarnia : l3f: im long lol
[2016-12-24 05:24:54] narnarfromnarnia : since 921
[2016-12-24 05:25:11] l3f : why didn't buy the dip?
[2016-12-24 05:25:13] imapotato : Who in their right mind shorts BTC?
[2016-12-24 05:25:18] narnarfromnarnia : i shorted that
[2016-12-24 05:25:25] imapotato : Who shorts a DIP?
[2016-12-24 05:25:29] MikeHunt : we're near the peak so buying now seems risky
[2016-12-24 05:25:30] narnarfromnarnia : waited for next confirmed movement
[2016-12-24 05:25:35] l3f : imapotato: we have a couple of pros here that buys top and shorts dips
[2016-12-24 05:25:38] narnarfromnarnia : imapotato: i manage to get like .5 btc each time
[2016-12-24 05:25:40] narnarfromnarnia : it works out
[2016-12-24 05:25:55] l3f : they scalp pretty hard but they manage to pull it of
[2016-12-24 05:25:58] l3f : pff(
[2016-12-24 05:26:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 4190 @ 6829.9
[2016-12-24 05:26:09] imapotato : What is a 0.5 btc?
[2016-12-24 05:26:17] narnarfromnarnia : profits
[2016-12-24 05:26:25] shery : bitmex is over reaction again
[2016-12-24 05:26:28] imapotato : You can break 'em in half?
[2016-12-24 05:26:43] narnarfromnarnia : just pre buy build up @shery
[2016-12-24 05:26:56] imapotato : >Liquidated long on XBCH17: sell 4190 @ 6829.9
[2016-12-24 05:26:57] narnarfromnarnia : come on your the one that was preaching go long
[2016-12-24 05:26:59] imapotato : I didn't say go 100x long
[2016-12-24 05:27:03] imapotato : Maybe 10x, 20x tops.
[2016-12-24 05:27:07] narnarfromnarnia : 10x max
[2016-12-24 05:27:16] narnarfromnarnia : gotta be safe in this movement
[2016-12-24 05:28:50] shery : narnarfromnarnia: doent feels well when you are shorting and market reacts like this
[2016-12-24 05:29:03] narnarfromnarnia : shery: you're shorting this?
[2016-12-24 05:29:06] narnarfromnarnia : crazy
[2016-12-24 05:29:19] narnarfromnarnia : new daily green candles
[2016-12-24 05:29:23] shery : narnarfromnarnia: 926 opened a one , since the push semms to ba fake
[2016-12-24 05:29:35] narnarfromnarnia : shery: it's real
[2016-12-24 05:29:52] ett1 : ye todays dip below the open was a bear trap
[2016-12-24 05:30:13] shery : narnarfromnarnia: time will tell , for now its heading towards previous levels
[2016-12-24 05:30:23] narnarfromnarnia : shery: previous top
[2016-12-24 05:30:27] narnarfromnarnia : maybe a double top
[2016-12-24 05:30:28] narnarfromnarnia : hmm
[2016-12-24 05:31:13] shery : narnarfromnarnia: 6547 and 6597 A big difference
[2016-12-24 05:31:28] narnarfromnarnia : shery: why?
[2016-12-24 05:31:38] narnarfromnarnia : we are going through 6600 here soon
[2016-12-24 05:32:03] shery : narnarfromnarnia: may be after heading back towards 620?
[2016-12-24 05:32:08] shery : 6620*
[2016-12-24 05:32:25] shery : 6520*
[2016-12-24 05:33:20] narnarfromnarnia : shery: do you trade USD or CNY on here?
[2016-12-24 05:33:26] Speran49 : very important lvl
[2016-12-24 05:33:29] Speran49 : this could go either way
[2016-12-24 05:33:37] javierstone : critical
[2016-12-24 05:33:41] shery : narnarfromnarnia: Usd but obeserve cny movements
[2016-12-24 05:33:42] narnarfromnarnia : anyone have a usd chart with those levels
[2016-12-24 05:33:46] narnarfromnarnia : shery: ok
[2016-12-24 05:33:50] narnarfromnarnia : so in usd what is that
[2016-12-24 05:34:12] shery : narnarfromnarnia: 610-612
[2016-12-24 05:34:13] Speran49 : https://www.tradingview.com/x/vEDWBn0Q/
[2016-12-24 05:34:24] Speran49 : oh im talking short term lol
[2016-12-24 05:34:31] narnarfromnarnia : shery: 6600 cny?
[2016-12-24 05:34:33] narnarfromnarnia : huh
[2016-12-24 05:34:49] shery : narnarfromnarnia: 6520 .
[2016-12-24 05:35:14] shery : narnarfromnarnia: Are you talking about bitmex ? or rest markets
[2016-12-24 05:35:20] narnarfromnarnia : bmx
[2016-12-24 05:35:32] shery : narnarfromnarnia: bitmex seems to be moving 7-10 $ ahead in pumps
[2016-12-24 05:35:33] narnarfromnarnia : but i watch houbi on bitcoinwisdom too
[2016-12-24 05:35:44] narnarfromnarnia : i wish bitmex was on bitcoinwisdom
[2016-12-24 05:36:03] shery : narnarfromnarnia: I observe that too
[2016-12-24 05:36:32] narnarfromnarnia : here comes next rocket on houbi
[2016-12-24 05:36:34] narnarfromnarnia : 1min
[2016-12-24 05:36:38] narnarfromnarnia : big arc
[2016-12-24 05:37:03] shery : narnarfromnarnia: downawrd rocket??
[2016-12-24 05:37:11] ayy_lmao : yah wut
[2016-12-24 05:37:15] imapotato : huubihoobin moon in T - 1 minute
[2016-12-24 05:37:17] imapotato : gird your loins
[2016-12-24 05:37:33] dodic : ballistic missile
[2016-12-24 05:38:15] herpinator : narnarfromnarnia: all of us should pester the owner of btcwisdom to list bitmex
[2016-12-24 05:38:28] Speran49 : just use tradingview?
[2016-12-24 05:38:30] narnarfromnarnia : yes herp
[2016-12-24 05:38:36] narnarfromnarnia : let's message his twitter
[2016-12-24 05:38:40] ayy_lmao : cryptowatch
[2016-12-24 05:38:44] herpinator : yes
[2016-12-24 05:38:46] narnarfromnarnia : bfxdata would be good to have too
[2016-12-24 05:39:00] narnarfromnarnia : imapotato: yep saw that
[2016-12-24 05:39:25] ayy_lmao : https://cryptowat.ch/bitmex/xbt-perpetual-futures
[2016-12-24 05:39:49] imapotato : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7yVyIPATWc
[2016-12-24 05:41:38] narnarfromnarnia : herpinator: yeah i did you too