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[2016-12-23 16:47:57] laisee : time to sell again
[2016-12-23 16:47:59] shery : narnarfromnarnia: if you feel wall is fake, than go fill it
[2016-12-23 16:48:04] narnarfromnarnia : i did
[2016-12-23 16:48:09] narnarfromnarnia : put 40k into it
[2016-12-23 16:48:22] narnarfromnarnia : and it's gooone
[2016-12-23 16:48:37] shery : narnarfromnarnia: short?
[2016-12-23 16:48:43] narnarfromnarnia : yes
[2016-12-23 16:48:46] javierstone : go go go
[2016-12-23 16:48:51] narnarfromnarnia : drop
[2016-12-23 16:48:59] shery : narnarfromnarnia: trust me dont short here it will come back to 900 in few hours
[2016-12-23 16:49:01] justinlooking : gone??
[2016-12-23 16:49:06] ett1 : narnarfromnarnia: dpmt be nuts
[2016-12-23 16:49:06] ett1 : honest
[2016-12-23 16:49:10] narnarfromnarnia : ill be long by then
[2016-12-23 16:49:17] javierstone : narnarfromnarnia: short it bruh
[2016-12-23 16:49:21] ett1 : dont just do what we tell u
[2016-12-23 16:49:31] ett1 : but dont short...
[2016-12-23 16:49:36] ett1 : honest advice
[2016-12-23 16:50:13] javierstone : u should probably long it
[2016-12-23 16:50:25] javierstone : 100x
[2016-12-23 16:50:33] ett1 : if it went below 870 and broke down then okay but its finding support
[2016-12-23 16:50:40] aaaaa : I will go 15x
[2016-12-23 16:50:44] l3f : go short lol
[2016-12-23 16:50:48] l3f : you kids
[2016-12-23 16:50:51] aaaaa : think it is enough
[2016-12-23 16:50:57] l3f : the deal is
[2016-12-23 16:51:02] l3f : you need to figure out your own strat
[2016-12-23 16:51:14] l3f : you can short and scalp now
[2016-12-23 16:51:14] l3f : sure
[2016-12-23 16:51:17] l3f : you'll make money
[2016-12-23 16:51:25] l3f : but I'm working on a different time frame
[2016-12-23 16:51:35] laisee : trend is ur friend, not trollboxers
[2016-12-23 16:51:46] ett1 : youll probably lose if its not going bacl below 880 or 885
[2016-12-23 16:52:09] l3f : realisticly
[2016-12-23 16:52:12] l3f : we know this is a pump
[2016-12-23 16:52:13] justinlooking : laisee knows what's up
[2016-12-23 16:52:14] l3f : and shakeouts happen
[2016-12-23 16:52:23] l3f : in a shakeout
[2016-12-23 16:52:30] l3f : you're confused and scared and you're not sure anymore
[2016-12-23 16:52:31] l3f : you sell
[2016-12-23 16:52:34] l3f : you don't get to ride
[2016-12-23 16:52:41] l3f : that's the whole point
[2016-12-23 16:52:43] javierstone : u can't ride with the wild things
[2016-12-23 16:52:51] l3f : if you think pump is over then you can exit now
[2016-12-23 16:52:56] l3f : if you don't think so just stay long
[2016-12-23 16:53:02] javierstone : u should short dude
[2016-12-23 16:53:15] shery : A moment of silence for all those who opened shorts
[2016-12-23 16:53:24] l3f : I'm not 100% sure either
[2016-12-23 16:53:29] l3f : so don't blindly follow me
[2016-12-23 16:53:31] l3f : my money my risk
[2016-12-23 16:53:45] l3f : I might be -4btc tomorrow
[2016-12-23 16:54:17] aaaaa : l3f: can you say how much leverage are you at?
[2016-12-23 16:54:27] l3f : aaaaa: below 10
[2016-12-23 16:54:38] narnarfromnarnia : l3f: how'd you do buddy?
[2016-12-23 16:54:39] aaaaa : thats good
[2016-12-23 16:55:40] aaaaa : for being not sure
[2016-12-23 16:56:02] aaaaa : if we were 100 % sure we would go 100x
[2016-12-23 16:56:04] aaaaa : obviously
[2016-12-23 16:56:06] l3f : now imho it'll be back at 900 in 4 hours
[2016-12-23 16:56:09] l3f : but w/e
[2016-12-23 16:56:34] ett1 : ye i think well close today at a hogh
[2016-12-23 16:56:38] ett1 : maybe like 940
[2016-12-23 16:56:52] laisee : 1000 by Xmas morning
[2016-12-23 16:57:11] javierstone : china is rebounding nicely
[2016-12-23 16:57:12] justinlooking : steady
[2016-12-23 16:57:26] javierstone : that bloomberg article is nice
[2016-12-23 16:57:34] javierstone : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-23/bitcoin-surges-above-900-on-geopolitical-risks-fed-tightening
[2016-12-23 16:59:05] shery : narnarfromnarnia: china green
[2016-12-23 16:59:22] narnarfromnarnia : shery: just a temp buy period
[2016-12-23 16:59:22] narnarfromnarnia : normal
[2016-12-23 16:59:38] halloz : Bitcoin lookin strong
[2016-12-23 16:59:39] javierstone : narnarfromnarnia: short it
[2016-12-23 16:59:44] javierstone : narnarfromnarnia: shart it
[2016-12-23 16:59:47] narnarfromnarnia : javierstone: i am
[2016-12-23 16:59:48] shery : narnarfromnarnia: how much contrats are you shorting and whats the entry?
[2016-12-23 16:59:56] narnarfromnarnia : i entered at 904
[2016-12-23 17:00:00] narnarfromnarnia : 1000000
[2016-12-23 17:00:03] javierstone : sick
[2016-12-23 17:00:06] narnarfromnarnia : and closed it
[2016-12-23 17:00:10] narnarfromnarnia : at 878
[2016-12-23 17:00:12] m3s : jesus lol
[2016-12-23 17:00:19] narnarfromnarnia : so lucky
[2016-12-23 17:00:25] javierstone : nice
[2016-12-23 17:00:27] narnarfromnarnia : me and brother stayed up all night
[2016-12-23 17:00:27] shery : narnarfromnarnia: so that was you caused panic sell at 882
[2016-12-23 17:00:35] narnarfromnarnia : no no
[2016-12-23 17:00:35] m3s : haha
[2016-12-23 17:00:38] shery : sorry buy
[2016-12-23 17:00:51] narnarfromnarnia : oh yeah 878
[2016-12-23 17:00:54] narnarfromnarnia : just bought all
[2016-12-23 17:01:00] halloz : BTFD just BTFD
[2016-12-23 17:01:04] narnarfromnarnia : should have bought more on that short pump
[2016-12-23 17:01:06] narnarfromnarnia : but too sketch
[2016-12-23 17:01:12] javierstone : whats BTFD?
[2016-12-23 17:01:23] halloz : Buy the f*cking dip
[2016-12-23 17:01:24] narnarfromnarnia : go back down f word
[2016-12-23 17:01:34] javierstone : f word
[2016-12-23 17:01:37] shery : sshorts closing wow
[2016-12-23 17:01:49] javierstone : ya china is 6345
[2016-12-23 17:01:52] narnarfromnarnia : that 2H
[2016-12-23 17:01:54] narnarfromnarnia : means death
[2016-12-23 17:01:57] narnarfromnarnia : 840's
[2016-12-23 17:02:00] narnarfromnarnia : maybe?
[2016-12-23 17:02:15] javierstone : $25 spread between chinese exchanges and west
[2016-12-23 17:02:18] narnarfromnarnia : i have 20k open at 889 now
[2016-12-23 17:02:21] narnarfromnarnia : short
[2016-12-23 17:02:35] javierstone : 6350
[2016-12-23 17:02:38] narnarfromnarnia : i doubt it will go up
[2016-12-23 17:02:44] dodic : lol for about 20 minutes polo was 845 and everything else was 885
[2016-12-23 17:02:50] dodic : crazy gap
[2016-12-23 17:02:55] halloz : Shorting here is too risky imo
[2016-12-23 17:03:24] halloz : This can very easily produce a green dildo as it has countless times this week
[2016-12-23 17:03:37] shery : narnarfromnarnia: still holding on your point?
[2016-12-23 17:03:52] narnarfromnarnia : shery: just a new short at 889
[2016-12-23 17:04:01] shery : narnarfromnarnia: omg crazy
[2016-12-23 17:04:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1 @ 891.30 :punch: :whale:
[2016-12-23 17:04:07] javierstone : oopsies
[2016-12-23 17:04:07] narnarfromnarnia : check danv chart on trading view
[2016-12-23 17:04:13] shery : narnarfromnarnia: me long from 884
[2016-12-23 17:04:13] narnarfromnarnia : it is saying 700's
[2016-12-23 17:04:20] javierstone : shart'd
[2016-12-23 17:04:21] narnarfromnarnia : shery: close it
[2016-12-23 17:04:31] haxmb : lol @ DanV
[2016-12-23 17:04:34] shery : narnarfromnarnia: na you should
[2016-12-23 17:04:42] narnarfromnarnia : it we get back up at 900 i will short more
[2016-12-23 17:04:45] narnarfromnarnia : balance it out
[2016-12-23 17:04:49] narnarfromnarnia : i only went 5x this time
[2016-12-23 17:04:54] shery : narnarfromnarnia: watch cina 40 cny and 6400 is again here
[2016-12-23 17:05:26] narnarfromnarnia : shery: watching wall on bfx
[2016-12-23 17:05:32] narnarfromnarnia : https://bitcoinity.org/markets/bitfinex/USD
[2016-12-23 17:05:40] shery : narnarfromnarnia: bitfinex matters????
[2016-12-23 17:05:48] javierstone : ya who the fuck cares about bitfinex
[2016-12-23 17:05:49] narnarfromnarnia : yeah it leads bitmex
[2016-12-23 17:05:54] javierstone : hahahhaah
[2016-12-23 17:05:55] narnarfromnarnia : lol
[2016-12-23 17:05:59] narnarfromnarnia : so gentle
[2016-12-23 17:06:22] shery : narnarfromnarnia: 6362
[2016-12-23 17:06:27] dodic : during the day it leads
[2016-12-23 17:06:29] halloz : Weee told yall
[2016-12-23 17:06:36] dodic : okc at night (from US perspective)
[2016-12-23 17:06:42] javierstone : sure...
[2016-12-23 17:07:03] dodic : polo does... whatever it wants
[2016-12-23 17:07:05] halloz : Shorts finna get rekt soon
[2016-12-23 17:07:51] shery : narnarfromnarnia: +1.5 xbt for me
[2016-12-23 17:08:36] m3s : can someone explain to me how changing leverage after placing an order works please
[2016-12-23 17:09:37] l3f : it might be too earl y to call
[2016-12-23 17:09:39] l3f : but it's been 10 minutes
[2016-12-23 17:09:54] l3f : so next time a shakeout happens
[2016-12-23 17:09:58] l3f : think if you're being played
[2016-12-23 17:10:19] ett1 : m3s: it moves your liquidation price
[2016-12-23 17:10:38] ett1 : closer if you increase the leverage
[2016-12-23 17:10:45] ett1 : but allows you to add more size
[2016-12-23 17:10:51] l3f : anyways, happy shorting
[2016-12-23 17:11:08] m3s : ett1: makes sense
[2016-12-23 17:11:08] m3s : thanks
[2016-12-23 17:11:40] ett1 : and you can add or remove margin from the position by clickin the btc symbol in th emargin column
[2016-12-23 17:12:01] javierstone : ett1: do u pay less for funding if more margin is assigned to your contracts
[2016-12-23 17:12:05] ett1 : you can put all the money in your wallet into the position, or keep some safe
[2016-12-23 17:12:27] ett1 : incase of margin call youll still have some left in the wallet
[2016-12-23 17:12:43] narnarfromnarnia : next leg down coming?
[2016-12-23 17:12:44] ett1 : or you can take as much risk by adding the maximum to the position
[2016-12-23 17:12:59] halloz : The pump squad is strong
[2016-12-23 17:13:08] ett1 : javierstone: no its the same
[2016-12-23 17:13:20] javierstone : narnarfromnarnia: nah dude that will happen tomorrow
[2016-12-23 17:13:20] ett1 : it just affects liquidation level
[2016-12-23 17:13:36] ett1 : funding is affected the the size of the psoition / number of contracts
[2016-12-23 17:13:42] narnarfromnarnia : javierstone: lol just when you think so bitcoin happens
[2016-12-23 17:13:47] ett1 : doesnt matter what levearge is being used
[2016-12-23 17:13:52] narnarfromnarnia : they're going to want to squeeze
[2016-12-23 17:13:58] narnarfromnarnia : here in a few i am sure of it
[2016-12-23 17:14:54] aaaaa : squeeze?
[2016-12-23 17:14:57] javierstone : narnarfromnarnia: do u pay attention to chinese exchanges?
[2016-12-23 17:15:07] aaaaa : narnarfromnarnia: can you explain please
[2016-12-23 17:15:26] dodic : The REKT cometh?
[2016-12-23 17:15:27] narnarfromnarnia : chinese and bitmex are the same thing
[2016-12-23 17:15:31] narnarfromnarnia : all same bots running man
[2016-12-23 17:15:35] narnarfromnarnia : there's no conspiracy
[2016-12-23 17:15:54] narnarfromnarnia : illuminati on all exchanges
[2016-12-23 17:15:59] javierstone : ok.....
[2016-12-23 17:16:20] ett1 : everyones independent doing their own thing dude
[2016-12-23 17:16:41] javierstone : chinese are way more incentivized than the west to invest in btc right now
[2016-12-23 17:16:53] ett1 : why
[2016-12-23 17:17:21] javierstone : their currency is being systematically devalued by chinese government to better position the chinese economy for global trade
[2016-12-23 17:17:48] javierstone : whereas USD and DOW are at record highs
[2016-12-23 17:17:57] elmorte : chinese *exports
[2016-12-23 17:18:04] ett1 : ah ok. ye . actually, almost any non US country tbh
[2016-12-23 17:18:11] ett1 : will be feeling the presure of rising USD
[2016-12-23 17:18:12] halloz : Get ready ???
[2016-12-23 17:18:15] shery : narnarfromnarnia: where is drop?
[2016-12-23 17:18:26] narnarfromnarnia : shery: wait for it
[2016-12-23 17:18:34] javierstone : ett1: yes but china feels it the most
[2016-12-23 17:18:48] javierstone : hence why the US and CN gov are in secret currency war
[2016-12-23 17:19:02] javierstone : (but bitfinex leads during the day rite????)
[2016-12-23 17:19:09] ett1 : thanks, i didnt actually pay atention to the CNYUSD rate
[2016-12-23 17:19:13] shery : narnarfromnarnia: haha
[2016-12-23 17:19:15] ett1 : but great point
[2016-12-23 17:20:09] javierstone : this rally is fueled by the increase interest rate from the fed x the halvening supply
[2016-12-23 17:20:44] narnarfromnarnia : https://www.bfxdata.com/positions/btcusd
[2016-12-23 17:20:52] narnarfromnarnia : lot of buys open in 1hr will drop again
[2016-12-23 17:20:55] narnarfromnarnia : shery:
[2016-12-23 17:21:07] javierstone : narnarfromnarnia: i thought u said 1m 15 m ago?
[2016-12-23 17:21:20] narnarfromnarnia : javierstone: 1m changed my mind
[2016-12-23 17:21:23] elmorte : javierstone: damn son...talk about leading indicators
[2016-12-23 17:21:44] javierstone : elmorte: wud do u mean
[2016-12-23 17:21:52] elmorte : how long ago was the halvening?
[2016-12-23 17:22:12] javierstone : july
[2016-12-23 17:22:47] javierstone : but bitfinex slowed it down
[2016-12-23 17:22:59] javierstone : so basically u couldn't feel it til we hit 770
[2016-12-23 17:23:19] ett1 : elmorte: thats already priced in surely. everyine knows bitcoin will keep halving, and on what dates
[2016-12-23 17:23:35] elmorte : ett1: :p
[2016-12-23 17:23:38] javierstone : there's no more supply left
[2016-12-23 17:23:55] elmorte : javierstone: interesting...and the fed rate hike influences the value of BTC how?
[2016-12-23 17:24:16] javierstone : elmorte: it increases the value of the USD which decreases teh value of the CNY
[2016-12-23 17:24:28] javierstone : so chinese investors who have a fuck ton of money are losing their value by remaining idle
[2016-12-23 17:25:17] javierstone : look at USD/CNY chart the day after the fed raised the rate and put yourself in the shoes of a chinese milliionaire
[2016-12-23 17:25:23] narnarfromnarnia : very idle on houbi
[2016-12-23 17:25:28] narnarfromnarnia : strange
[2016-12-23 17:25:31] elmorte : so Fed raised the rates to strenghen the dollar while fighting a secret currency war against China?
[2016-12-23 17:25:47] mjones : legit 700 BTC sell wall on okcoin being eaten at. nice demand on okcoin still to be eating that this high
[2016-12-23 17:26:02] narnarfromnarnia : what's woodchipper?
[2016-12-23 17:26:07] elmorte : Okc
[2016-12-23 17:26:11] narnarfromnarnia : oh
[2016-12-23 17:26:36] javierstone : elmorte: fed raised the rates to fight against inflation and the banks like a higher interest rate because their business model works better when it can charge higher interest
[2016-12-23 17:27:02] elmorte : I think the banks charge the differential, but I could be wrong...
[2016-12-23 17:27:11] elmorte : They charge the spread
[2016-12-23 17:27:21] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: I really want to come here to gloat but I really don't care now
[2016-12-23 17:27:24] javierstone : go watch the charlie rose interview wiht the head of bank of america a few weesk ago
[2016-12-23 17:27:29] javierstone : elmorte: ^
[2016-12-23 17:27:45] l3f : Just buy long
[2016-12-23 17:27:47] l3f : stay long
[2016-12-23 17:27:52] l3f : leave this place
[2016-12-23 17:27:58] l3f : come back in a week
[2016-12-23 17:28:07] haxmb : $$$$
[2016-12-23 17:28:12] elmorte : - funding
[2016-12-23 17:28:12] haxmb : true story
[2016-12-23 17:28:28] javierstone : 30 CNY away from 6400
[2016-12-23 17:28:32] l3f : my bros that didn't get shaken out
[2016-12-23 17:28:34] javierstone : how's the sharts doing fellas
[2016-12-23 17:28:44] l3f : that bought the dip
[2016-12-23 17:28:50] l3f : gj
[2016-12-23 17:29:46] l3f : we migjt still get rekt tho
[2016-12-23 17:29:49] l3f : just prepare your bodies
[2016-12-23 17:30:21] narnarfromnarnia : woop
[2016-12-23 17:30:26] narnarfromnarnia : paying attention to china now
[2016-12-23 17:31:35] anonymous789 : perfect time for bounce
[2016-12-23 17:31:46] anonymous789 : right on the hourly SMA in china
[2016-12-23 17:32:04] anonymous789 : last few rallies we've had have bounced off the SMA
[2016-12-23 17:32:19] elmorte : javierstone: which interview is that?
[2016-12-23 17:32:42] elmorte : found it
[2016-12-23 17:39:32] javierstone : elmorte: its scary af
[2016-12-23 17:41:19] elmorte : which part?
[2016-12-23 17:41:38] elmorte : Dec 11th, 9min interview?
[2016-12-23 17:42:13] narnarfromnarnia : feel bad for whoever sold me 40k at 878
[2016-12-23 17:42:49] elmorte : then give it back :p
[2016-12-23 17:44:17] narnarfromnarnia : shery: !!
[2016-12-23 17:45:18] Pacura : did my first ever trade. what a ride...my shit was shitting...
[2016-12-23 17:45:49] elmorte : Pacura: haha...how big?
[2016-12-23 17:45:51] narnarfromnarnia : https://www.bfxdata.com/positions/btcusd
[2016-12-23 17:45:54] narnarfromnarnia : 1hr sells building
[2016-12-23 17:46:02] narnarfromnarnia : shorts opening again
[2016-12-23 17:46:12] Pacura : nothing that big, trying to learn how to do this...
[2016-12-23 17:46:38] Pacura : trade wise
[2016-12-23 17:46:42] elmorte : then where's the excitement :p
[2016-12-23 17:47:00] Pacura : but the toilet bowl looked like an iceberg...just 5% out of the water....lol
[2016-12-23 17:47:13] elmorte : haha
[2016-12-23 17:47:17] elmorte : did you market close?
[2016-12-23 17:47:36] Pacura : yep. then once again after....now trying for a third.
[2016-12-23 17:47:54] narnarfromnarnia : Pacura: try to just wait for a good clear entry
[2016-12-23 17:48:05] narnarfromnarnia : patients really is key
[2016-12-23 17:48:11] narnarfromnarnia : coming from someone with ADHD
[2016-12-23 17:48:39] Pacura : yeah, that is why i am doing small bets and hanging with my chat group...have some more to learn chart wise
[2016-12-23 17:48:51] elmorte : yeah, but patience comes with experience
[2016-12-23 17:49:05] ett1 : ye patience is the key. try and time it so you enter at a level, where price wont dip below the entry
[2016-12-23 17:49:08] narnarfromnarnia : experience getting rekt
[2016-12-23 17:49:11] elmorte : I'm pretty sure I market closed when my first trade was in the green....
[2016-12-23 17:49:24] narnarfromnarnia : or rise below the shart @ett1
[2016-12-23 17:49:32] elmorte : It was like, fck I can make money just clicking!
[2016-12-23 17:49:40] narnarfromnarnia : i opened short a bit too soon but it's forming now
[2016-12-23 17:49:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5000 @ 893.25
[2016-12-23 17:49:54] narnarfromnarnia : here comes the rekts
[2016-12-23 17:50:09] elmorte : I just check the Chinese chat for rekts now
[2016-12-23 17:50:27] narnarfromnarnia : chinese chat you mean
[2016-12-23 17:50:47] elmorte : No, Chinese chat
[2016-12-23 17:50:59] narnarfromnarnia : i got rekt earlier opening a trade on the wrong window
[2016-12-23 17:51:01] narnarfromnarnia : futures lol
[2016-12-23 17:51:05] narnarfromnarnia : watching charts on normal
[2016-12-23 17:51:12] narnarfromnarnia : i never felt so tard
[2016-12-23 17:51:19] elmorte : dude, I freaked myself out so many times looking at the wrong contract
[2016-12-23 17:51:35] narnarfromnarnia : futures went from 850 to 900 in no time
[2016-12-23 17:51:40] narnarfromnarnia : that's some crazy trading
[2016-12-23 17:52:07] kbrn : how do you set 20x?
[2016-12-23 17:52:26] narnarfromnarnia : lol
[2016-12-23 17:52:31] narnarfromnarnia : be careful dude
[2016-12-23 17:52:35] m3s : click the right icon paralel to leverape sliter
[2016-12-23 17:52:37] elmorte : kbrn: see that little siren up top right?
[2016-12-23 17:52:39] ett1 : just do 25x
[2016-12-23 17:53:01] elmorte : Click on it and it answers the question most important to you...
[2016-12-23 17:53:01] kbrn : thank you
[2016-12-23 17:53:22] kbrn : i have a little position guys dont worry
[2016-12-23 17:54:39] kbrn : 25x looks too much
[2016-12-23 17:55:02] elmorte : Just use cross, unless you're really speculating
[2016-12-23 17:55:29] elmorte : XBJ is getting discontinued then, eh?
[2016-12-23 17:57:29] Hawkeye : can someone tell me when i am seen as maker and when as taker? ticking POS only makes me automatic maker ?
[2016-12-23 17:58:00] elmorte : Hawkeye: correct
[2016-12-23 17:58:08] Hawkeye : or does it need a timeframe to be in the books before its seen as maker bid/ask ?
[2016-12-23 17:58:16] elmorte : If you order would match then it gets cancelled immediately
[2016-12-23 17:58:29] elmorte : no timeframe
[2016-12-23 17:58:35] Hawkeye : ok so even a sec in the books still counts.. cool :) been doing it correctly then
[2016-12-23 17:58:40] elmorte : yup
[2016-12-23 17:58:40] BitMEX_Sam : Timeframe is anything >0, essentially
[2016-12-23 17:58:48] Hawkeye : so maker trading is basicly free (get a bonus)
[2016-12-23 17:59:03] Hawkeye : excl interest ofc
[2016-12-23 17:59:06] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: Sup Sam! What's the Xmas plans?
[2016-12-23 17:59:18] Hawkeye : And Hi sam :)
[2016-12-23 17:59:22] Hawkeye : Thnx Elmorte
[2016-12-23 17:59:27] BitMEX_Sam : Hopefully not to work all weekend, but Bitcoin's on a tear
[2016-12-23 17:59:31] elmorte : Hawkeye: no worries bud
[2016-12-23 17:59:49] Hawkeye : sam: have to compliment the exchange, i like the way it works :)
[2016-12-23 17:59:57] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: you mean your side job at finex? Keeping their website running?
[2016-12-23 18:00:18] BitMEX_Sam : Ahaha, to be fair to them they have made quite a few improvements to their site in the last 3mo
[2016-12-23 18:00:23] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks @Hawkeye
[2016-12-23 18:00:34] elmorte : Wouldn't know :)
[2016-12-23 18:00:51] Hawkeye : if i get more comfortable i might increase my funds on here (on 3 echanges now)
[2016-12-23 18:01:44] BitMEX_Sam : Hawkeye: :+1:
[2016-12-23 18:02:06] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: They've had stability issues to be sure but their site has finally gotten pretty good; in fact, it looks a lot like BitMEX now
[2016-12-23 18:03:15] Hawkeye : Go advice kraken to do some reworking too ;)
[2016-12-23 18:03:16] elmorte : I don't know man...fool me once, shame on you...
[2016-12-23 18:03:27] Hawkeye : and btc-e.... thats almost an ancient site
[2016-12-23 18:03:29] javierstone : here we go
[2016-12-23 18:03:48] elmorte : Hawkeye: btc-e works perfectly :) minimalist to the core
[2016-12-23 18:04:02] Hawkeye : true and i use the metatrader there :)
[2016-12-23 18:04:42] Hawkeye : but still i like to see financial details, a risk/reward reminder in the confirmation etc etc bitmex is really really above expectations on that
[2016-12-23 18:04:55] BitMEX_Sam : btc-e does a great job of making money
[2016-12-23 18:05:17] BitMEX_Sam : Most people forget about xbtce as well
[2016-12-23 18:05:27] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: basically I didn't heed the first warning, so the second time they went down cost me a lot. I refuse to give them another chance to screw me over...is that just ego fckin with me?
[2016-12-23 18:06:02] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: No, that's being reasonable, IMO more traders should shun the exchanges that abuse them
[2016-12-23 18:06:11] elmorte : Cheers
[2016-12-23 18:16:15] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: Why is the margin on my XBCH17 is close to 5% while for XBTH17 is around 1%?
[2016-12-23 18:16:52] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: Depends on your unrealised profit
[2016-12-23 18:17:01] elmorte : How so?
[2016-12-23 18:17:23] BitMEX_Sam : Unrealised profit is kept assigned to the position. You can also adjust your margin by moving the leverage slider.
[2016-12-23 18:17:47] elmorte : I'm on cross and I'm cool with that...
[2016-12-23 18:18:18] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, so what that means is that one position has more unrealised profit than the other, so its effective leverage is lower due to that
[2016-12-23 18:19:22] elmorte : Plain english? My profitable position has a higher margin then my losing one...
[2016-12-23 18:19:32] elmorte : I'm trying to understand
[2016-12-23 18:19:36] aaaaa : what do you mean when you say you are on cross @elmorte ???
[2016-12-23 18:19:55] elmorte : aaaaa: you know, like Good Friday
[2016-12-23 18:20:09] BitMEX_Sam : Where are you getting this 5% from @elmorte - which column?
[2016-12-23 18:20:27] elmorte : Margin / Position Value
[2016-12-23 18:20:56] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, so the profitable position has more margin assigned to it, because it has the initial margin you put in when you opened it, plus profit
[2016-12-23 18:21:07] BitMEX_Sam : so effectively you have less leverage because of the profit.
[2016-12-23 18:21:15] aaaaa : "I'm on cross" is like I am feeling good?
[2016-12-23 18:21:47] elmorte : aha, so my UPnL is in my margin....so what would that lower my available balance?
[2016-12-23 18:22:02] elmorte : aaaaa: I;m on cross margin, means using all my available funds
[2016-12-23 18:22:24] QuantFocus : huge position reductions from top holders on OKC. is the top in?
[2016-12-23 18:22:33] QuantFocus : I feel like we get one more push today
[2016-12-23 18:22:42] elmorte : so would that lower my available balance? Basically, would that affect the liqd position for other contracts? @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-12-23 18:22:57] BitMEX_Wally : elmorte: Unrealised PNL increases your Margin Balance, but then it goes into the Position Margin so your Available Balance stays the same
[2016-12-23 18:25:02] elmorte : Ok...I have to empirically test that @BitMEX_Wally :)
[2016-12-23 18:25:24] wurstgelee : u dont need
[2016-12-23 18:25:27] wurstgelee : its correct ;)
[2016-12-23 18:27:02] elmorte : So if I close the contract and reopen it at the same price, my available balance would remain the same? I'm not so sure...
[2016-12-23 18:27:03] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: Feel free to make a Testnet account and ratchet up a few positions to get a feel for it
[2016-12-23 18:27:11] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: word
[2016-12-23 18:27:21] elmorte : I need to get a profitable position first...
[2016-12-23 18:27:41] QuantFocus : elmorte: amen brother
[2016-12-23 18:27:54] BitMEX_Wally : elmorte: If you close and re-open then you would release the unrealisedPNL as realisedPNL
[2016-12-23 18:27:58] BitMEX_Wally : So your available balance would increase
[2016-12-23 18:28:04] inconspic : any1 got a good chart/sheet for zcash supply over time?
[2016-12-23 18:28:13] BitMEX_Sam : Well... go long XBTUSD and short XBTH17 on testnet - one of them will be profitable, eh?
[2016-12-23 18:28:44] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: Yah, which would give me more breathing space with liqd prices...
[2016-12-23 18:28:56] m3s : yawn
[2016-12-23 18:29:05] m3s : cmon BTC dump or pump :D
[2016-12-23 18:29:10] BitMEX_Wally : Basically all unrealisedPNL is locked into the position as position margin, but we are working on improving our risk system to let this be unlocked by resetting the leverage
[2016-12-23 18:29:14] BitMEX_Wally : Then you could use it on other positions
[2016-12-23 18:29:32] elmorte : Yeah, there used to be the rebalance
[2016-12-23 18:30:26] QuantFocus : why is DASH so resilient?
[2016-12-23 18:30:34] QuantFocus : these are the important questions in life.
[2016-12-23 18:40:07] elmorte : I never got into Dash...guess that crypto newscycle skipped me....that was after ETH?
[2016-12-23 18:40:50] elmorte : Speaking of alts, where's the hell's @jung1?
[2016-12-23 18:45:35] NL007 : hi
[2016-12-23 18:46:24] elmorte : How you doing?
[2016-12-23 18:50:27] nOgAnOo : Hey all
[2016-12-23 18:50:36] nOgAnOo : So I ended up making 700% my first night trading here
[2016-12-23 18:50:46] nOgAnOo : I should be showing up on the leaderboard soon
[2016-12-23 18:51:06] QuantFocus : nOgAnOo: don't worry, you'll lose it all before you make leaderboard
[2016-12-23 18:51:19] m3s : nOgAnOo: gg grats
[2016-12-23 18:51:25] nOgAnOo : I already cashed out all the profit. Thanks m3s
[2016-12-23 18:51:42] QuantFocus : u wot m8?
[2016-12-23 18:51:59] nOgAnOo : Cashing out, it's when you sell your Bitcoin to buy weed
[2016-12-23 18:52:17] QuantFocus : if you like weed, you should check out cannabisrevolution.us
[2016-12-23 18:52:21] QuantFocus : Tokes Platform project
[2016-12-23 18:52:35] nOgAnOo : Ok I'll check it.. I made 20 new breeds myself
[2016-12-23 18:52:41] QuantFocus : These guys are professional. I dumped some btc into the ICO
[2016-12-23 18:53:24] nOgAnOo : Yeah now that I made some BitCredits I'm gonna diversify like 5-10 dollars into a lot of different assets
[2016-12-23 18:53:35] m3s : lol
[2016-12-23 18:53:47] nOgAnOo : Wait for those 40x pumps :)
[2016-12-23 18:54:01] elmorte : Weed's a gateway drug...just skip straight to the real thing
[2016-12-23 18:54:17] m3s : hes already here so too late now
[2016-12-23 18:54:17] QuantFocus : don't do meth like @elmorte
[2016-12-23 18:54:40] nOgAnOo : Word
[2016-12-23 18:54:42] rustiv : weed is the one and only drug
[2016-12-23 18:55:04] nOgAnOo : I agree, I got some vicodin for my dental surgery and never used
[2016-12-23 18:55:17] elmorte : QuantFocus: total double meaning to that
[2016-12-23 18:55:27] anonymous789 : real traders snort cocaine
[2016-12-23 18:55:33] nOgAnOo : But in all reality there is no better high than 200x yen trading
[2016-12-23 18:55:55] elmorte : anonymous789: no, their bosses do
[2016-12-23 18:56:42] QuantFocus : i'm out for a bit. you guys take it easy on the leverage
[2016-12-23 18:56:48] nOgAnOo : Fill me at 898, friends
[2016-12-23 18:57:22] nOgAnOo : Thank you.
[2016-12-23 18:57:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1000 @ 897.48
[2016-12-23 18:58:12] QuantFocus : :+1:
[2016-12-23 18:58:40] Hawkeye : there is a leaderboard?
[2016-12-23 18:59:22] aaaaa : https://www.bitmex.com/app/leaderboard
[2016-12-23 18:59:24] elmorte : Yeah, annual prizes too
[2016-12-23 18:59:34] QuantFocus : anal prizes*
[2016-12-23 18:59:44] QuantFocus : butt finesse
[2016-12-23 19:01:21] Hawkeye : lol
[2016-12-23 19:01:33] Hawkeye : How to make it even more like a game ;)
[2016-12-23 19:01:36] elmorte : Tough competition though...to win the biggest liquidation, you had to lose like 300BTC?
[2016-12-23 19:01:53] Hawkeye : ohh i wont be able to compete against a 300btc loss ;)
[2016-12-23 19:02:14] Hawkeye : or is it 300btc position loss?
[2016-12-23 19:02:22] Hawkeye : then i might be a contender eventually
[2016-12-23 19:02:28] elmorte : Nope, not position
[2016-12-23 19:02:40] elmorte : Actual wallet money
[2016-12-23 19:02:43] Hawkeye : oh then i wont show up anywhere near that record ;)
[2016-12-23 19:03:05] m3s : that must have hurt
[2016-12-23 19:03:09] Hawkeye : max i had (and that was on ATH and before i got goxed) was 100btc
[2016-12-23 19:03:15] rapidtrades : guys i step out for 1 sec and u already surrendered 900
[2016-12-23 19:04:01] Hawkeye : rapidtrades: and then some more
[2016-12-23 19:04:48] Hawkeye : dont think we'll stay below 900 for very long though
[2016-12-23 19:04:53] elmorte : Hawkeye: if you're new, it's probably not advise to poke rapid
[2016-12-23 19:05:02] elmorte : advised even
[2016-12-23 19:05:08] Hawkeye : he bites? :)
[2016-12-23 19:05:14] elmorte : oh boy
[2016-12-23 19:05:34] elmorte : especially when he shorts a bull run
[2016-12-23 19:05:59] Hawkeye : oh then he'll be my bestest friend ;) i dont short in a bull trend
[2016-12-23 19:06:21] Hawkeye : and if i want a dip i'll just distract him
[2016-12-23 19:08:04] tb : ok bois
[2016-12-23 19:08:07] tb : time to yolo 100x short
[2016-12-23 19:08:17] narnarfromnarnia : tb: lol
[2016-12-23 19:08:25] narnarfromnarnia : i did 50x on that last drop
[2016-12-23 19:08:30] narnarfromnarnia : 904 > 878
[2016-12-23 19:08:39] narnarfromnarnia : best trade ever made
[2016-12-23 19:08:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 80 @ 892.34
[2016-12-23 19:09:18] tb : how much did you make?
[2016-12-23 19:10:36] anonymous789 : this selling off just for funding rate?
[2016-12-23 19:10:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 78147 @ 890.99 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-12-23 19:11:00] Hawkeye : anonymous789: china is dropping
[2016-12-23 19:11:01] elmorte : anonymous789: too early
[2016-12-23 19:11:14] Hawkeye : looks like a bear trap so far
[2016-12-23 19:11:23] anonymous789 : Hawkeye: going back up in cny
[2016-12-23 19:12:27] Hawkeye : i am still playing on the site to get a feel of it so i am not very deep in margin so should be safe (i know famous last words)
[2016-12-23 19:12:46] Hawkeye : started yesterday i think
[2016-12-23 19:13:04] Hawkeye : or day before... it gets blurry without much sleep ;)
[2016-12-23 19:13:30] anonymous789 : looks like a bull flag + falling wedge on cny
[2016-12-23 19:13:35] m3s : just long and have a stoploss, than you can sleep easy
[2016-12-23 19:13:39] dodic : what index is leading drop?
[2016-12-23 19:13:50] cookielito : bitstamp did last time
[2016-12-23 19:13:50] elmorte : Hawkeye: count days by candlesticks
[2016-12-23 19:14:08] anonymous789 : hourly*
[2016-12-23 19:14:29] dodic : bitstamp again
[2016-12-23 19:14:31] Hawkeye : lol elmorte
[2016-12-23 19:15:13] Hawkeye : ah dec 21 i made first deposit...
[2016-12-23 19:15:20] Hawkeye : good thing they log stuff
[2016-12-23 19:16:48] justinlooking : http://imgur.com/a/sxKMC
[2016-12-23 19:17:44] tb : what is this photo @justinlooking
[2016-12-23 19:18:02] elmorte : Jan 22 my first deposit...Jan 25 my first liquidation
[2016-12-23 19:18:11] Hawkeye : lol
[2016-12-23 19:18:21] justinlooking : BitMEX_Wally BitMEX_Sam can u get bitmex added to tradeblock plz. i mailed them a few times....
[2016-12-23 19:19:36] Hawkeye : i hope i wont get liq any time soon.... but i do plan to take more risks on this exchange and keep the other 2 exchanges as a safer trading setup
[2016-12-23 19:19:38] justinlooking : tb: a multiexchange L2 visualzation tool
[2016-12-23 19:20:09] Hawkeye : seems liquidity is pretty good here , at least for my size :)
[2016-12-23 19:20:15] tb : justinlooking: why is the caption "rapid is so short?"
[2016-12-23 19:20:25] elmorte : Hawkeye: my problem was not enough margin. Flash crashes caused both of my liqds
[2016-12-23 19:20:51] elmorte : Since then, I try to keep ample balance on here
[2016-12-23 19:21:02] Hawkeye : i was 3$ off my liq earlier so i added some funds to make it less risky :)
[2016-12-23 19:21:09] justinlooking : tb: um... because we rallied
[2016-12-23 19:21:23] elmorte : tb: huh?
[2016-12-23 19:22:16] rapidtrades : what caption
[2016-12-23 19:23:42] tb : justin posted this: http://imgur.com/a/sxKMC
[2016-12-23 19:24:20] rapidtrades : justin?
[2016-12-23 19:24:32] rapidtrades : i thought that was just looking
[2016-12-23 19:24:58] elmorte : blew that one rapid :(
[2016-12-23 19:25:10] elmorte : it had potential too...
[2016-12-23 19:26:00] rapidtrades : like what?
[2016-12-23 19:26:47] elmorte : justin who?
[2016-12-23 19:27:39] elmorte : loo king
[2016-12-23 19:28:36] elmorte : anyway, you had to be there
[2016-12-23 19:31:35] elmorte : rapidtrades: yo, so what don't you think that yuan futures matter?
[2016-12-23 19:33:22] cryptomad : https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/trump-picks-a-bitcoin-supporter-for-cabinet-as-u-s-budget-director/ $900 coming soon.
[2016-12-23 19:34:40] narnarfromnarnia : not going to open another position for a while
[2016-12-23 19:34:46] narnarfromnarnia : this is just going to be choppy
[2016-12-23 19:35:19] elmorte : narnarfromnarnia: then open two opposite ones
[2016-12-23 19:35:37] narnarfromnarnia : i just took a .15 loss to be done for the day
[2016-12-23 19:36:00] narnarfromnarnia : probably won't be any major movements
[2016-12-23 19:36:13] elmorte : that's gonna be 10,000 in a few years...
[2016-12-23 19:36:20] elmorte : 150,000 rather
[2016-12-23 19:37:12] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 33 @ 895.21
[2016-12-23 19:38:56] elmorte : Has anyone written a calc that tells you how much you would pay on a market close based on the order book?