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[2016-12-22 13:34:31] laisee : prove that u ar not a bot
[2016-12-22 13:34:37] l3f : rapidtrades: here's some zingers "damn I bought at top" "damn I sold at bottom" "fuck this semen slurping market" "fuck this manipulation" "fuck zec"
[2016-12-22 13:35:34] tulip : someone please tell my why my position shows vastly different numbers than the buy/sell panel on the left side
[2016-12-22 13:35:47] l3f : tulip: because mark price and the last price aren't the same thing
[2016-12-22 13:35:55] l3f : nor is it the same as the index price
[2016-12-22 13:36:07] narnarfromnarnia : lil pump pre dump
[2016-12-22 13:36:09] tulip : is there a site that explains this?
[2016-12-22 13:36:19] l3f : tulip: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradingOverview
[2016-12-22 13:36:35] BitMEX_Wally : tulip: Which numbers in particular are different?
[2016-12-22 13:36:44] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: lol it'd be at 870 and you're waiting for your predump
[2016-12-22 13:37:00] tulip : mark price and chart
[2016-12-22 13:37:14] tulip : and buy/sell on left side
[2016-12-22 13:37:17] REKT : Choppy waters make solid seamen!
[2016-12-22 13:37:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 500 @ 866.01
[2016-12-22 13:37:19] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: why don't you put your money where your mouth is? short if you think it's going to dump?
[2016-12-22 13:37:27] ett1 : laisee: lol that bot comment was funny
[2016-12-22 13:37:30] ElNuevo : tulip: @BitMEX_Wally +1. new and dont understand this
[2016-12-22 13:37:32] narnarfromnarnia : l3f: am short
[2016-12-22 13:37:44] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: how much and what entry?
[2016-12-22 13:37:59] narnarfromnarnia : not much 862
[2016-12-22 13:38:04] narnarfromnarnia : 20btc
[2016-12-22 13:38:11] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: yeah you're underwater right now
[2016-12-22 13:38:20] narnarfromnarnia : a bit but look at that 1hr
[2016-12-22 13:38:35] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: you'll drown in a bit
[2016-12-22 13:38:36] narnarfromnarnia : towering over all this
[2016-12-22 13:38:36] shery : narnarfromnarnia: he is eyeing 900
[2016-12-22 13:38:54] narnarfromnarnia : who
[2016-12-22 13:38:55] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: sorry that was worded too strongly
[2016-12-22 13:39:12] l3f : anyways this could be the dead cat bounce
[2016-12-22 13:39:16] ElNuevo : why is mark price lower than orderbook? im at a loss when i think shouldnt for the numbers
[2016-12-22 13:39:17] l3f : and it's on the way down
[2016-12-22 13:39:20] shery : narnarfromnarnia: @l3f
[2016-12-22 13:39:41] narnarfromnarnia : i think so
[2016-12-22 13:39:46] l3f : shery: more like tomorrow at this rate
[2016-12-22 13:39:48] BitMEX_Wally : To prevent people manipulating the market or causing liquidations we use a mark price based on the underlying index, rather than the last price of the swap/future here. More information here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-12-22 13:40:08] BitMEX_Wally : The last price of XBTUSD is 868.99 but the mark price is 866.4
[2016-12-22 13:40:16] shery : l3f: it wil surely be at 900 + tommorow but it will dump in coming hours
[2016-12-22 13:40:16] BitMEX_Wally : This just means that the swap is trading at a slight premium
[2016-12-22 13:40:27] l3f : shery: I take you short as well?
[2016-12-22 13:40:28] l3f : what entry?
[2016-12-22 13:40:40] ElNuevo : BitMEX_Wally: ty
[2016-12-22 13:41:46] aethlios : BitMEX_Wally: Hi Wally, remember asking you about tradingview adding XBCH17? do you think they will?
[2016-12-22 13:41:58] l3f : rapidtrades: you've got company :^)
[2016-12-22 13:42:12] shery : l3f: 872
[2016-12-22 13:42:31] BitMEX_Wally : aethlios: It's a mystery, we've given them the API that returns all symbols dynamically. They insist on hard coding the symbols...
[2016-12-22 13:42:41] l3f : shery: nice, how much?
[2016-12-22 13:43:11] l3f : did you close any during that insane dump?
[2016-12-22 13:43:19] shery : l3f: not much 30000 contracts
[2016-12-22 13:43:35] shery : l3f: insane?
[2016-12-22 13:43:45] l3f : well it did go 750
[2016-12-22 13:43:46] l3f : 850*
[2016-12-22 13:44:09] l3f : +0.9 xbt if you hit the bottom
[2016-12-22 13:45:19] shery : l3f: it will go down ,840 and than up i have a strong believe
[2016-12-22 13:46:10] ett1 : i recon 800 could be new support
[2016-12-22 13:46:24] ett1 : perhaps 835 or whatever was the low
[2016-12-22 13:47:12] ett1 : im long but not looking to add or take profits right now
[2016-12-22 13:47:35] ett1 : might scale up with a tight SL if it continues the higher highs / higher lows
[2016-12-22 13:47:48] shery : l3f: but i wont wait more than 6 hours it will skyrocket tommorow
[2016-12-22 13:48:04] l3f : well water level's rising now
[2016-12-22 13:48:09] l3f : will you short more?
[2016-12-22 13:48:33] ett1 : shery: what do you do if it breaks highs? go long
[2016-12-22 13:48:44] l3f : (i just want to know what your plans are)
[2016-12-22 13:48:46] ett1 : ?
[2016-12-22 13:49:10] shery : ett1: long is best option. I went long on 728 till 780
[2016-12-22 13:49:36] ett1 : coll just wondering, i think new highs are the best time for longs
[2016-12-22 13:49:54] ett1 : only things thats bearish is that the upmove has stalled
[2016-12-22 13:50:07] ett1 : its kinds in a short term range / undecisive
[2016-12-22 13:55:49] aethlios : bitmex volume getting better by the day
[2016-12-22 13:56:19] l3f : aethlios: still long brother?
[2016-12-22 13:58:09] aethlios : l3f: https://www.tradingview.com/x/QAt7ES1s/ this is my basic chart, I am net long, also long okcoin 3 month and short swap here. speculate to increased funding and higher premium.
[2016-12-22 13:58:47] aethlios : so i do some more complex trategies also.
[2016-12-22 13:58:55] aethlios : strategies
[2016-12-22 14:03:45] l3f : aethlios: jesus, if your strat works it works
[2016-12-22 14:03:55] l3f : some serious TA there
[2016-12-22 14:04:44] ett1 : similar to my strat, hes just buying like monthly breakouts
[2016-12-22 14:05:46] l3f : aethlios: how much are you making from the interest?
[2016-12-22 14:06:59] l3f : this is my chart
[2016-12-22 14:07:00] l3f : https://www.tradingview.com/x/lrl9p6yv/
[2016-12-22 14:07:22] aethlios : l3f: this is a bullish strategy, if bull market is strong you collect the funding (it increased last 3 days) and also the premium widens, you have to leave at the top before correction starts which kills the premium.
[2016-12-22 14:08:10] ett1 : aethlios: when your long with the trend, what do you use for your exit?
[2016-12-22 14:08:14] l3f : and that has better yield then just long futures or are you hedging to lower risk?
[2016-12-22 14:09:18] l3f : because it looks like you're on (hedged interest + futures) and you adjust your risk based on how bullish you fell
[2016-12-22 14:09:18] l3f : feel*
[2016-12-22 14:09:54] l3f : ett1: he's hedge is free interest money
[2016-12-22 14:10:02] l3f : he just sells the future and buy back the swap
[2016-12-22 14:10:06] l3f : if he wants to exit
[2016-12-22 14:10:32] l3f : second question: why bother with woodchipper?
[2016-12-22 14:10:41] aethlios : l3f: I am also net long, but i also have a lower risk position (the hedged long 3month short swap). if market is stable you can loose the premium because goes down as time passes, and swap has zero funding.
[2016-12-22 14:10:49] ett1 : what was the circled bull moves on the chart? isnt that his buys
[2016-12-22 14:11:11] aethlios : ett1: explain please better, didn't understand.
[2016-12-22 14:11:13] l3f : ett1: he expect an upward trend to occure there
[2016-12-22 14:11:20] l3f : he's wondering why the yellow circle
[2016-12-22 14:11:25] ett1 : https://www.tradingview.com/x/QAt7ES1s/
[2016-12-22 14:11:43] ett1 : when the BB breakouts occur, and youve circled the bull moves
[2016-12-22 14:11:49] ett1 : are those your entries
[2016-12-22 14:11:58] ett1 : because my strategy works like that
[2016-12-22 14:12:06] l3f : ett1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxU2eqZtYmc
[2016-12-22 14:12:09] ett1 : i buy the breakouts
[2016-12-22 14:12:30] l3f : it's poetry
[2016-12-22 14:12:47] aethlios : okcoin 3 month now much cheaper because yuan premium low, okcoin index has yuan exchanges inside, so in a pump the premium will go much higher, but has much more liquidity.
[2016-12-22 14:13:09] l3f : aethlios: you're taking woodchipper interest as well
[2016-12-22 14:13:18] l3f : you're not afraid of CNY risk?
[2016-12-22 14:13:36] l3f : or are you on .com
[2016-12-22 14:13:42] aethlios : l3f: yellow circle shoew that this has happened twice before in the past. this chart is since 755 spot, old chart.
[2016-12-22 14:13:59] l3f : aethlios: check the youtube video :)
[2016-12-22 14:14:34] ett1 : aethlios: oh ok, ive been buying them before they happen ;)
[2016-12-22 14:14:57] ett1 : was thinking you were going long the BB breakouts when above the trend line of something
[2016-12-22 14:15:19] ett1 : that would work similar. so i was wondering what the exits signal for that system was
[2016-12-22 14:15:27] ett1 : nevermind
[2016-12-22 14:15:43] aethlios : ett1: my entry is usually before the break out, when i start understanding we are in ascending triangle, i want to be in profit during the break out. I prefer to trust a bullish descending triangle.
[2016-12-22 14:16:25] l3f : aethlios: sleger simply moves the market so they fit his strategy
[2016-12-22 14:16:25] ett1 : ok. breakouts seem pretty high probability to me, aslong as you arnt in a long term bear market
[2016-12-22 14:16:35] aethlios : sorry ascending triangle
[2016-12-22 14:16:43] ett1 : like the resistance levels you draw
[2016-12-22 14:16:57] ett1 : of the triangles. good to buy when they break
[2016-12-22 14:18:57] aethlios : ett1: when you want to sell, you can short the 3 month and earn the premium, so increase more your return, 3 month premium is an indicator if we are overbouht or oversold. but all based in the long term trend.
[2016-12-22 14:19:47] aethlios : l3f: I am on .com okcoin futures
[2016-12-22 14:21:06] ett1 : aethlios: you mean -1x short as an alternative to USD on okcoin
[2016-12-22 14:22:18] aethlios : ett1: I mean for someone who bought spot long 775 and will sell spot 1100, he better keep spot and sell the 3 month at 1200, wait until expiration.
[2016-12-22 14:22:37] aethlios : will make 8% extra
[2016-12-22 14:22:45] ett1 : oh ok ye
[2016-12-22 14:34:12] CaptainDean : Ho my BTC
[2016-12-22 14:35:15] CaptainDean : impressive push while i was sleeping
[2016-12-22 14:35:20] CaptainDean : missed the boat !
[2016-12-22 14:38:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCT7D`: buy 500 @ 0.002867
[2016-12-22 14:38:34] REKT : Close your longs, close your shorts, choppy waters ahead!
[2016-12-22 14:43:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 125 @ 867.51
[2016-12-22 14:43:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 236 @ 867.39
[2016-12-22 14:44:19] bingbongfly : REKT bot giving advise
[2016-12-22 14:47:09] l3f : "[2016-12-22 12:08:52] l3f : I'll be back to 870 in 4 hours"
[2016-12-22 14:47:13] l3f : we*
[2016-12-22 14:47:16] l3f : shery:
[2016-12-22 14:47:24] l3f : narnarfromnarnia:
[2016-12-22 14:47:27] l3f : Well?
[2016-12-22 14:47:39] l3f : is it 870 yet?
[2016-12-22 14:47:42] l3f : in exactly 4 hours?
[2016-12-22 14:47:47] l3f : wow how did this happen
[2016-12-22 14:49:33] narnarfromnarnia : which direction are we going
[2016-12-22 14:49:49] l3f : I thought you knew
[2016-12-22 14:50:02] narnarfromnarnia : i fell asleep
[2016-12-22 14:50:11] narnarfromnarnia : just waiting through it for a few hours
[2016-12-22 14:50:21] narnarfromnarnia : it will be back down
[2016-12-22 14:52:45] l3f : :))))
[2016-12-22 14:53:24] narnarfromnarnia : i hope
[2016-12-22 14:53:39] narnarfromnarnia : 15min crossing but pretty weak
[2016-12-22 14:53:46] narnarfromnarnia : what's an honest take on this short term
[2016-12-22 14:53:52] narnarfromnarnia : are we going to drop on the 1hr?
[2016-12-22 14:54:50] l3f : explain why we'll drop?
[2016-12-22 14:55:22] narnarfromnarnia : no idea
[2016-12-22 14:55:27] narnarfromnarnia : over bought
[2016-12-22 14:55:34] narnarfromnarnia : on every indicator
[2016-12-22 14:55:39] l3f : it's a pump of course rsi will be over bought
[2016-12-22 14:55:44] l3f : + trending market
[2016-12-22 14:55:49] ett1 : narnarfromnarnia: ofcourse
[2016-12-22 14:55:53] l3f : rsi will be out of range for a long time
[2016-12-22 14:55:59] anonymous789 : technicals count for little when btc is behaving like this
[2016-12-22 14:56:02] ett1 : and it will be overbought at 950
[2016-12-22 14:56:32] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: short this if you want but I wont
[2016-12-22 14:56:41] l3f : I'll have tight stop losses but no shorts
[2016-12-22 14:57:08] narnarfromnarnia : yeah i may just close it out and rest
[2016-12-22 14:57:10] narnarfromnarnia : only down .23 btc
[2016-12-22 14:57:21] narnarfromnarnia : not worth it being a bigger issue when i wake up
[2016-12-22 14:57:42] l3f : I told ya it was a shake out
[2016-12-22 14:57:56] narnarfromnarnia : lot of sell orders up now though
[2016-12-22 14:58:16] ett1 : theyll disappear
[2016-12-22 15:00:37] narnarfromnarnia : might just need a bit of downtrend this afternoon
[2016-12-22 15:00:44] tommygunn : sell that short
[2016-12-22 15:00:53] flux : people seriously shorting right now?
[2016-12-22 15:01:04] l3f : flux: fuel for the fire when they get liquidated
[2016-12-22 15:01:50] narnarfromnarnia : yeah i just closed out not worth it
[2016-12-22 15:02:00] narnarfromnarnia : too tired
[2016-12-22 15:02:19] tommygunn : gppd move
[2016-12-22 15:07:10] narnarfromnarnia : watch it turn downtrend now though
[2016-12-22 15:11:02] Rado : USD down
[2016-12-22 15:11:08] Rado : Gold, Oil, EUR up
[2016-12-22 15:11:17] Rado : JPY as well
[2016-12-22 15:11:17] ett1 : EUR lol
[2016-12-22 15:11:57] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: m80, short 100x
[2016-12-22 15:12:10] l3f : lel
[2016-12-22 15:12:15] l3f : all in
[2016-12-22 15:12:18] l3f : downtrend right?
[2016-12-22 15:12:23] l3f : this is double top
[2016-12-22 15:13:10] ett1 : H&S actually
[2016-12-22 15:13:40] Rado : H&S?
[2016-12-22 15:13:42] ett1 : this is the right shoulder, it wont make a new high
[2016-12-22 15:13:43] Rado : on what time frame?
[2016-12-22 15:13:48] ett1 : 15min
[2016-12-22 15:14:04] ett1 : /jk im bullish
[2016-12-22 15:14:10] ett1 : but it does look a bit like it
[2016-12-22 15:14:20] Rado : still doesn't look like H&S
[2016-12-22 15:16:21] Rado : there was a nasty candle earlier
[2016-12-22 15:16:36] Rado : went all the way back to $840
[2016-12-22 15:16:49] Rado : on Bitstamp
[2016-12-22 15:17:31] ett1 : ye your right, i was treating it as a spike i suppose & using the 855 area as the imagined support
[2016-12-22 15:17:42] ett1 : but i dont belive in this pattern anyway
[2016-12-22 15:17:48] ett1 : just flags and triangles
[2016-12-22 15:18:13] ett1 : those work quite well i think
[2016-12-22 15:20:23] mjones : someone needs to sell into that ZEC margin call wall on H17
[2016-12-22 15:21:15] Rado : ZECH17 still at a big discount
[2016-12-22 15:23:52] Nerve : Hey guys...are you all see a downtrend comming ?
[2016-12-22 15:24:23] ett1 : nope, just new highs
[2016-12-22 15:24:57] Rado : Nerve: I do
[2016-12-22 15:25:04] Rado : I wouldn't call it a downtrend
[2016-12-22 15:25:12] Rado : more like a correction in an uptrend
[2016-12-22 15:25:14] Nerve : A retrace
[2016-12-22 15:25:33] Nerve : so....it's time to close my longs..
[2016-12-22 15:26:17] ett1 : 835 with the retrace / shakeout
[2016-12-22 15:26:40] Nerve : @Rado And buy back later....? Or i should keep them open ? What you sugest ?
[2016-12-22 15:27:05] Rado : Nerve: it's up to you
[2016-12-22 15:27:06] shery : 840 is due to come yet
[2016-12-22 15:27:11] Rado : not sure what your strategy is
[2016-12-22 15:27:27] Rado : I would have some long term and some shorter term trades
[2016-12-22 15:27:41] Rado : I also use stops even on my very profitable trades
[2016-12-22 15:27:48] Rado : you don't want to give up your gains
[2016-12-22 15:28:01] l3f : shery: short this dude, 870 has come again at exactly when I told you it would
[2016-12-22 15:28:45] shery : l3f: you told 900 not 870 am i wrong?
[2016-12-22 15:28:50] ett1 : he was lucky, dont listen to him
[2016-12-22 15:29:08] l3f : shery: check the chat archive
[2016-12-22 15:29:30] Nerve : @Rado My strategy is BUYing cheap and SELL HIGH
[2016-12-22 15:29:34] Nerve : lol
[2016-12-22 15:29:41] Rado : good startegy
[2016-12-22 15:29:52] Rado : it's all about managing your risk and capital
[2016-12-22 15:29:56] l3f : [2016-12-22 12:08:52] l3f : I'll be back to 870 in 4 hours [2016-12-22 12:08:55]
[2016-12-22 15:29:58] ett1 : mine is to buy high and sell higher
[2016-12-22 15:30:03] l3f : we'll*
[2016-12-22 15:30:04] shery : l3f: I thought you said 900, but anyway it did corrected , Doesnt matter how much was low, but i still beleive that it will go in 850 regeion gaain
[2016-12-22 15:30:15] Rado : if you make more profit than loss on your trades you are good
[2016-12-22 15:30:27] l3f : shery: can you explain why?
[2016-12-22 15:31:13] shery : l3f: Correction
[2016-12-22 15:32:00] ett1 : why would you fight against a strong current
[2016-12-22 15:32:26] ett1 : continuation is more likely than change
[2016-12-22 15:32:32] l3f : ett1: lol let him
[2016-12-22 15:33:10] Rado : ett1: until it's not
[2016-12-22 15:33:27] Rado : RSI and MACD are already turing down and made lower highs
[2016-12-22 15:33:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1375 @ 865.84
[2016-12-22 15:33:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1720 @ 864.72
[2016-12-22 15:34:19] ett1 : doesnt wanna go down
[2016-12-22 15:34:48] shery : lmao what was that
[2016-12-22 15:34:49] ett1 : lets see if it can break below 855
[2016-12-22 15:35:12] ett1 : another shakeout
[2016-12-22 15:36:21] mjones : 6100 cny is support
[2016-12-22 15:36:41] ett1 : whats the dollar equiv on stamp
[2016-12-22 15:37:13] Rado : bought some ETH for potential pop
[2016-12-22 15:40:24] mjones : you guys have not seen REKT bot go crazy yet. wait till a massive dump
[2016-12-22 15:41:13] ett1 : or a massive jump perhaps
[2016-12-22 15:41:20] mjones : perp swap up over a million contracts. xbth17 up a million contracts too
[2016-12-22 15:41:25] Rado : over 20,000 XBT traded last 24H
[2016-12-22 15:41:30] Rado : on swap
[2016-12-22 15:41:55] mjones : yeah but shorts dont get margin called like the longs do
[2016-12-22 15:42:12] mjones : but dont know when this dump will happen
[2016-12-22 15:42:25] ett1 : mjones: can you explain that
[2016-12-22 15:42:39] shery : mjones: are you wsiting for dump
[2016-12-22 15:43:00] ett1 : "shorts dont get margin called like the longs do"
[2016-12-22 15:43:16] mjones : i am waiting for a dump but it may not happen just yet
[2016-12-22 15:43:27] mjones : and more people long and close only to relong higher
[2016-12-22 15:43:41] mjones : when it dumps it dumps 5%-10% in minutes and not everyone can close out of their long
[2016-12-22 15:44:03] mjones : pumps are slower and you can exit your short easier and most people dont go short on high margin
[2016-12-22 15:44:41] mjones : and when there is only 1 main market maker and they take down their walls then you cant exit your long and you get margin called
[2016-12-22 15:45:02] mjones : that's why you gotta be ready at all times for a dump if you wanna get out or risk it not hitting your margin call price
[2016-12-22 15:45:35] zanza : bascially what happens in these rallyies, eventually shorts run out
[2016-12-22 15:46:05] Rado : funding rates are really good right now
[2016-12-22 15:46:12] Rado : there will be a lot of shorts open
[2016-12-22 15:46:15] mjones : a massive dump could take xbth17 back to $840 or $850 from here. so any margin call price above that isnt safe
[2016-12-22 15:46:25] Rado : but most of them will be hedged
[2016-12-22 15:47:14] mjones : swap went 4 million to 6 million contracts open recently. xbth17 has 2.2 million open contracts since it started a week ago
[2016-12-22 15:47:34] mjones : that could be a lot of people looking to exit into not many buy orders if market maker checks out
[2016-12-22 15:48:30] shery : common btc
[2016-12-22 15:48:31] Rado : EMA10 could cross EMA20 on 30 min chart for the first time since $790
[2016-12-22 15:49:40] mjones : 6100 and 6070 seem like key support areas. then 6000 cny. after that it may be panic dump mode
[2016-12-22 15:52:23] Rado : ETH goooooo
[2016-12-22 15:52:25] Rado : :-)
[2016-12-22 15:52:30] Rado : <--- pumper
[2016-12-22 15:54:04] mjones : 4th time it bounced off 6100 cny
[2016-12-22 15:54:24] mjones : more like xmr pumping
[2016-12-22 15:54:32] Rado : BitMEX #1 again by volume
[2016-12-22 15:54:33] Rado : https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/volume/24-hour/
[2016-12-22 15:54:40] Rado : way to go BitMEX
[2016-12-22 15:54:52] mjones : that shit is gonna go crazy eventually. a few whales must hold all the coins
[2016-12-22 15:55:11] ett1 : nice
[2016-12-22 15:55:13] Rado : XMR nice
[2016-12-22 15:55:25] Rado : can't trade XMR for some reason
[2016-12-22 15:55:54] mjones : 1 day bbands tight for xmr. 3 day and 1 week coming in. once they do then boom
[2016-12-22 15:56:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: buy 20 @ 0.010522
[2016-12-22 15:57:34] ett1 : you guys think XMR with crash?
[2016-12-22 15:58:17] mjones : no
[2016-12-22 15:58:27] djkaltenudel : yes
[2016-12-22 15:58:31] mjones : great things happening with xmr
[2016-12-22 15:58:54] mjones : up 12%
[2016-12-22 16:00:55] shery : whats up with xmr?
[2016-12-22 16:01:04] mjones : new investor entering
[2016-12-22 16:01:09] mjones : anon coin is going to be the future
[2016-12-22 16:01:47] thomaskikansha : eth money going to xmr?
[2016-12-22 16:01:51] habibi : gui wallet released
[2016-12-22 16:02:19] mjones : oh that's nice
[2016-12-22 16:02:28] mjones : in b4 it's buggy and tons of complaints
[2016-12-22 16:03:18] mjones : ah it is just a beta
[2016-12-22 16:07:45] mjones : wonder if xmr will pump higher or if the whale is done
[2016-12-22 16:08:01] Rado : thomaskikansha: there is no such thing as ETH money
[2016-12-22 16:08:09] shery : mjones: I guess 115 is due
[2016-12-22 16:08:44] mjones : it's at resistance going back to october right now
[2016-12-22 16:09:05] mjones : eth pumping if you missed xmr train
[2016-12-22 16:09:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 10 @ 0.008860
[2016-12-22 16:09:32] shery : alts pumping equls btc down? Lol
[2016-12-22 16:09:39] Rado : mjones: got in in time :-)
[2016-12-22 16:10:17] mjones : short xmr as no one was tricked into buying xmr top
[2016-12-22 16:10:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 14 @ 0.010725
[2016-12-22 16:15:13] viptrader : BUY BUY BUY
[2016-12-22 16:21:34] mjones : lol eth
[2016-12-22 16:26:28] Apocalyptic : viptrader: still short ?
[2016-12-22 16:37:31] Nerve : what quiet... lol
[2016-12-22 16:38:27] Hawkeye : a nice big btc correction would be perfect now....
[2016-12-22 16:39:45] Hawkeye : retest on $800-810 or so ...
[2016-12-22 16:40:42] Nerve : why the correction should be so big ? based on what ?
[2016-12-22 16:40:54] shery : Hawkeye: that would be great
[2016-12-22 16:41:15] Hawkeye : spike can reach deep if fear starts (long term bull btw)
[2016-12-22 16:42:25] Nerve : LOL
[2016-12-22 16:42:32] Nerve : fear of what ?
[2016-12-22 16:42:39] shery : Hawkeye: thats the point panic sell is very dangerous
[2016-12-22 16:42:47] Nerve : Sell panic ?
[2016-12-22 16:42:49] shery : Nerve: panic sell
[2016-12-22 16:42:55] Nerve : i donțt think so
[2016-12-22 16:43:15] Hawkeye : i know but each time some do :) might as well put in a low bid or 2 to catch it ;)
[2016-12-22 16:45:49] Nerve : Hawkeye: true as well...but i didn t bet for that right now
[2016-12-22 16:52:13] Apocalyptic : rapid: you got your retrace!
[2016-12-22 16:53:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTZ16`: sell 500 @ 863.88
[2016-12-22 16:54:46] Nerve : where is the first resistance ?
[2016-12-22 16:55:54] startChat : 6000
[2016-12-22 16:56:16] Nerve : XBTUSD
[2016-12-22 16:59:09] Hawkeye : prob 850ísh but china really sets the price ...
[2016-12-22 16:59:42] Hawkeye : keeping fingers crossed for a spike to $810 :)
[2016-12-22 17:00:38] Hawkeye : weekend, xmas etc comming so....
[2016-12-22 17:00:41] shery : 840 is target
[2016-12-22 17:01:14] Hawkeye : think of all the eggnogg and drunk traders fatfingering this weekend ;)
[2016-12-22 17:18:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 880 @ 0.010437
[2016-12-22 17:41:17] Nerve : Well...i think thats was that f@cking retrace
[2016-12-22 17:42:46] Nerve : $8 it was a big one LOL
[2016-12-22 17:44:06] ett1 : well go 865...870
[2016-12-22 17:45:33] Nerve : Ofcourse...back to LONG
[2016-12-22 17:56:17] tommygunn : from christmas 2014
[2016-12-22 17:56:23] tommygunn : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAfOCqgS8gs
[2016-12-22 17:59:00] ett1 : listenin to it
[2016-12-22 18:01:28] rapidtrades : yeah this isnt going anywhere
[2016-12-22 18:01:58] rapidtrades : there's still no premium, rally doa
[2016-12-22 18:04:22] ett1 : its gonna break 870 shortly (before it goes below 860)
[2016-12-22 18:05:32] ett1 : go get yourself some botcoins before the big boys get all over this shit
[2016-12-22 18:05:43] ett1 : once wallmart are accepting it youll have missed out
[2016-12-22 18:05:58] ett1 : weve probably got like 5 years left
[2016-12-22 18:18:20] rapidtrades : https://www.yahoo.com/news/passenger-kicked-off-jetblue-flight-for-questioning-why-ivanka-trump-was-on-it-173906713.html
[2016-12-22 18:19:40] wurstgelee : we may now retrace. thank you
[2016-12-22 18:20:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 9490 @ 861.41
[2016-12-22 18:20:29] rapidtrades : That Trump news did it ^^^
[2016-12-22 18:20:52] rapidtrades : Trump giveth, Trump taketh away
[2016-12-22 18:21:33] ett1 : didnt hit 860 yet. still 860.01
[2016-12-22 18:24:07] ett1 : bitcoin MUST retrace
[2016-12-22 18:24:35] ett1 : this bull move is totally unnacceptable
[2016-12-22 18:25:41] wurstgelee : i dont bet on it. no position, could go either way imo
[2016-12-22 18:25:48] wurstgelee : time to react, not predict. :)
[2016-12-22 18:32:02] tech.coin : Yo Folks!
[2016-12-22 18:33:14] tech.coin : Anybody knows, if the trailing sell stop is possible to trade / why I cant choose it?
[2016-12-22 18:34:11] tech.coin : I can only go long whith trailing stop upwards.
[2016-12-22 18:34:34] BitMEX_Wally : tech.coin: Try a negative trail value to sell
[2016-12-22 18:35:47] tech.coin : Yup. That works.
[2016-12-22 18:35:55] tech.coin : BitMEX_Wally: Gracias!
[2016-12-22 18:36:03] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: u forget that it's not possible to retrace
[2016-12-22 18:36:27] rapidtrades : we've transcended that state
[2016-12-22 18:37:26] wurstgelee : well, you could say its a small tf bullflag (15min) and we resume pumping soon
[2016-12-22 18:37:40] ett1 : i think bitcoin will trancend the 900's. it will gap up straight from 899 to 1000 @rapidtrades
[2016-12-22 18:38:15] wurstgelee : one retest of 6k shouldnt be too much to ask imo
[2016-12-22 18:38:26] wurstgelee : preferable lower
[2016-12-22 18:38:51] wurstgelee : 5800 seems nice for v bottom :)
[2016-12-22 18:50:27] anondran : dump it
[2016-12-22 19:07:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCZ16`: sell 9000 @ 6069.2
[2016-12-22 19:09:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 4500 @ 859.70
[2016-12-22 19:09:25] Nerve : Nice !
[2016-12-22 19:11:21] fuckshitstack : by news years im feeling bout 6350
[2016-12-22 19:14:24] Turbo : spectacular selloff... most impressive lol
[2016-12-22 19:18:07] Rado : ETH so weak
[2016-12-22 19:22:40] tech.coin : Okay. I dont get it.
[2016-12-22 19:22:56] tech.coin : I was 100x in from 820 to 850 btcusd swapproduct but profit is only about +30% ?
[2016-12-22 19:34:46] tech.coin : What has to happen to double the amount invested?
[2016-12-22 19:35:42] ett1 : i thought 1% to double
[2016-12-22 19:36:26] ett1 : whats the difference between mark and entry price
[2016-12-22 19:36:59] tech.coin : ROE was +400% actually...
[2016-12-22 19:37:29] ett1 : i think you didnt use your entire balance as the margin
[2016-12-22 19:38:12] ett1 : the leverage really only adjusts the liquidation price
[2016-12-22 19:38:56] tech.coin : Where can I adjust margin when not with that bar on the left?
[2016-12-22 19:39:23] QuantFocus : by trading higher amount
[2016-12-22 19:39:25] ett1 : by clicking on the blue BTC symbol in th eopen positions 'margin' column
[2016-12-22 19:39:46] ett1 : you can add and remove margin
[2016-12-22 19:40:09] ett1 : it will affect your liquidation price or how much you have left to enter a bigger position
[2016-12-22 19:40:42] tech.coin : I see that. But what does ROE mean then?
[2016-12-22 19:40:55] tech.coin : For example now I have a position with +102% ROE
[2016-12-22 19:40:56] BitMEX_Greg : Thanks @ett1 , @tech.coin ROE means return on ewuity
[2016-12-22 19:41:03] QuantFocus : roe is based on the amount of collateral reserved vs gain/loss
[2016-12-22 19:41:11] BitMEX_Greg : that is how much you have made on the margin allocated
[2016-12-22 19:41:33] ett1 : return on margin i think, not your entire balance
[2016-12-22 19:41:40] BitMEX_Greg : so 100% means you have doubled the margin allocated
[2016-12-22 19:42:02] tech.coin : Ah, so how to calculate in relation to invested amount?
[2016-12-22 19:42:38] ett1 : divide the PNL by your total balance?
[2016-12-22 19:43:00] BitMEX_Greg : Basically you can look at the unrealized PNL over the margin allocated
[2016-12-22 19:43:35] tech.coin : Okay.
[2016-12-22 19:43:41] tech.coin : : )
[2016-12-22 19:44:05] BitMEX_Greg : Let me know if any other questions :)
[2016-12-22 19:44:34] tech.coin : How much price increase to double investment with 100x margin?
[2016-12-22 19:45:14] QuantFocus : 1%...
[2016-12-22 19:45:53] tech.coin : Thanks!
[2016-12-22 19:46:30] tech.coin : Do you do "high frequency" stuff?
[2016-12-22 19:46:45] QuantFocus : i just come here to lose money
[2016-12-22 19:46:52] herpinator : same
[2016-12-22 19:47:43] tech.coin : Nooo! But, but... we are traders!
[2016-12-22 19:48:44] herpinator : 100x is not safe 10x is good
[2016-12-22 19:48:59] tech.coin : Seems I am a bit too late for zcash as well...
[2016-12-22 19:48:59] QuantFocus : no way. max leverage evr tym
[2016-12-22 19:49:11] immackay : QuantFocus: why would you want to make money
[2016-12-22 19:49:43] tech.coin : For trying to make some money with it.
[2016-12-22 19:51:51] QuantFocus : i have 14 kids to feed
[2016-12-22 19:52:03] herpinator : I got rekt on a viability test with 50x yet the same strat is working brilliantly on 10x
[2016-12-22 19:52:10] tech.coin : However: Thanks for the inputs . And merry trading everyone...
[2016-12-22 19:54:12] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Greg: i forget, do you need to reopen a position on the weeklies after settlement? it doesn't auto-roll, right?
[2016-12-22 19:56:22] BitMEX_Greg : QuantFocus: that's correct, there is no autoroll
[2016-12-22 20:00:08] QuantFocus : ty sir
[2016-12-22 20:00:54] Cryptlex : BitMEX_Greg: is there a way to export all my trade history? and how much is kept?
[2016-12-22 20:07:24] immackay : Cryptlex: go to your account, there should be a link for trade history there
[2016-12-22 20:07:37] immackay : Under transaction history
[2016-12-22 20:09:08] BitMEX_Sam : Cryptlex: All trade history is available indefinitely
[2016-12-22 20:09:22] BitMEX_Sam : If you need more than is available on the site we have some scripts that will export them for you, pending a frontend update
[2016-12-22 20:10:50] tb : BitMEX_Sam: is there somewhere i can get historical feed/trade data
[2016-12-22 20:10:59] BitMEX_Sam : tb: Yes, from the API
[2016-12-22 20:11:16] BitMEX_Sam : See https://github.com/BitMEX/easy-data-scripts for a programmatic approach
[2016-12-22 20:12:38] tb : yeah so that gives historical trades
[2016-12-22 20:12:51] tb : but what about historical book states?
[2016-12-22 20:13:02] Cryptlex : BitMEX_Sam: thanks ill take a look at it
[2016-12-22 20:13:17] tb : ahh /quote/bucketed?
[2016-12-22 20:13:28] BitMEX_Sam : :+1:
[2016-12-22 20:13:37] BitMEX_Sam : That's not the full book, but it is BBO
[2016-12-22 20:14:38] tb : can i get full book/
[2016-12-22 20:14:48] tb : or at least top n levels?
[2016-12-22 20:14:54] zanza : $3.50
[2016-12-22 20:16:15] BitMEX_Sam : tb: No, at this time we don't expose that data.
[2016-12-22 20:16:22] mjones : btc where you going
[2016-12-22 20:16:41] tb : is this something i can pay for?
[2016-12-22 20:17:26] BitMEX_Sam : At this time, no - this is something we would need to develop - we store all historical executions and could technically recreate the books at any point in time, but we do not yet store that in any separate table for querying
[2016-12-22 20:17:50] BitMEX_Sam : So we would need to build and expose that method, and find an effective way to expose the historical data, likely as CSV downloads etc
[2016-12-22 20:18:33] tb : ok thanks
[2016-12-22 20:19:08] BitMEX_Sam : I've created an internal ticket as I think this would be useful to quite a few people
[2016-12-22 20:19:23] BitMEX_Sam : We could have a backend job rotating weekly or monthly data dumps and exposing them on a static host
[2016-12-22 20:20:35] tb : yeah
[2016-12-22 20:20:45] tb : i'd like that
[2016-12-22 20:26:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 859.14
[2016-12-22 20:27:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2815 @ 857.76
[2016-12-22 20:27:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 30000 @ 902.98
[2016-12-22 20:27:53] mjones : ouch rekt
[2016-12-22 20:28:17] mjones : 30k guy. not me. because this is gonna bounce right here
[2016-12-22 20:29:14] immackay : mjones: that would be me, I made the mistake of looking away for a bit
[2016-12-22 20:29:48] mjones : ah
[2016-12-22 20:30:06] mjones : i longed about 10 seconds before that happened. otherwise i would have gotta a slightly better entry
[2016-12-22 20:30:22] immackay : yeah
[2016-12-22 20:30:24] immackay : fuck
[2016-12-22 20:32:58] narnarfromnarnia : damnit i sold for a loss and woke up to this
[2016-12-22 20:33:18] mjones : so far china has made higher lows on this dump. lets see if china can hold the price above 6045 cny
[2016-12-22 20:33:45] Nerve : Why is this diferent between INDEX price and Market price ? What this should mean ???
[2016-12-22 20:35:34] justinlooking : heavy hodl cover
[2016-12-22 20:39:33] mjones : looks like mobile website changed a bit
[2016-12-22 20:39:46] mjones : nevermind
[2016-12-22 20:44:25] mjones : i hate it when someone market buys the price up a bunch on okcoin. seems a market dump usually follows
[2016-12-22 20:51:28] mjones : china flash dump
[2016-12-22 20:51:34] mjones : 30 cny market dump
[2016-12-22 20:56:23] BitMEX_Greg : Nerve: Hi, Index price is the current price of the index that the contract is tracking while the Mark Price is a derivation of this which is what is used for marking purposes against PNL and liquidations
[2016-12-22 20:56:26] mjones : bitfinex making youtube videos on how to use their platform. i thought bitmex was going to do something like that
[2016-12-22 20:57:02] BitMEX_Greg : the mark price might have a premium or discount given the basis at the time
[2016-12-22 20:57:22] BitMEX_Greg : mjones: we are in the process actually. Should be completed by next year
[2016-12-22 20:57:30] BitMEX_Greg : Well before next year haha
[2016-12-22 20:58:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECH17`: buy 468 @ 0.035739
[2016-12-22 20:58:59] mjones : lol wtf
[2016-12-22 20:59:31] mjones : lets bet $2800 ZEC is going to go down...and rekt
[2016-12-22 20:59:52] mjones : look at the orderbook. how do you expect to not get rekt shorting
[2016-12-22 21:07:01] Turbo : calling it now, rising triangle in the 1 hour
[2016-12-22 21:11:27] mjones : i got a few lines i'm watching http://i.imgur.com/sV04Orp.png
[2016-12-22 21:13:03] rapidtrades : wtf....that moron got ZECed again?
[2016-12-22 21:13:05] Turbo : indeed, we shall see
[2016-12-22 21:14:10] Dtrade16 : Yooooo
[2016-12-22 21:14:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECH17`: buy 24 @ 0.038990
[2016-12-22 21:14:39] Dtrade16 : Anyone get rekt lately? Been away for a couple of days :D
[2016-12-22 21:15:01] Dtrade16 : Zec manipulated af
[2016-12-22 21:15:05] rapidtrades : yeah I wreked ur mom's anus
[2016-12-22 21:15:16] mjones : here is your chance to short zec on h17 nice and high
[2016-12-22 21:15:35] Dtrade16 : ^^ I already rekt your mom's anus way before
[2016-12-22 21:15:42] Dtrade16 : And your sister's too
[2016-12-22 21:16:10] mjones : nice try. my moms anus is sewn shut
[2016-12-22 21:18:40] Dtrade16 : How much money are you 2 guys making? ^^
[2016-12-22 21:18:50] Dtrade16 : Are you guys billionares? ^^
[2016-12-22 21:19:39] rapidtrades : I'm not even a millionaire, it's f*cking depressing
[2016-12-22 21:19:49] rapidtrades : I need a small loan of 1 million dollars
[2016-12-22 21:20:25] Turbo : u in the states? tell the bank u want to buy consumer goods with it, no problem ;)
[2016-12-22 21:20:58] rapidtrades : with $1 million?
[2016-12-22 21:21:07] Turbo : lol, yep ;)
[2016-12-22 21:21:17] rapidtrades : like what....4 yacths?
[2016-12-22 21:21:22] Turbo : trying to juice up the econemy
[2016-12-22 21:21:43] rapidtrades : 1 yacht and 1 ferrari and 1 porche and 1 NY apartment
[2016-12-22 21:21:55] Turbo : there ya go