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[2016-12-22 11:37:07] shiroe : you lost profit + investment, i think?
[2016-12-22 11:37:14] l3f : immackay: how did you lose?
[2016-12-22 11:37:18] l3f : you long'd didn't you
[2016-12-22 11:37:36] immackay : l3f: long'd at like 873
[2016-12-22 11:37:56] l3f : immackay: I thought your entry was way lower
[2016-12-22 11:37:57] immackay : shiroe: nah, I'm down to what I started with yesterday
[2016-12-22 11:38:07] immackay : l3f: I had quite a few way lower
[2016-12-22 11:38:07] shiroe : immackay: orayt.
[2016-12-22 11:38:13] l3f : 871 is my entry to H17
[2016-12-22 11:38:14] l3f : lol
[2016-12-22 11:38:22] l3f : I've averaged up from 850
[2016-12-22 11:40:57] l3f : that 300k buy at 850
[2016-12-22 11:41:06] l3f : was the smartest guy
[2016-12-22 11:41:26] l3f : professional knife catcher
[2016-12-22 11:41:40] ett1 : l3f: whats your breakeven
[2016-12-22 11:41:47] ett1 : entry price
[2016-12-22 11:42:30] l3f : currently holding 45k @ 839.42 for XBT, 79k @ 871.17 for H17
[2016-12-22 11:42:49] l3f : any whales reading this don't you fucking dare #rekt me
[2016-12-22 11:43:03] l3f : I have stops
[2016-12-22 11:43:07] aethlios : l3f: he is already out 857-859
[2016-12-22 11:43:18] ett1 : oh nice
[2016-12-22 11:43:26] l3f : aethlios: what are you talking about?
[2016-12-22 11:43:29] ett1 : i thought you were talking the spot price lol
[2016-12-22 11:43:38] ett1 : im at 803 entry on swaps
[2016-12-22 11:43:38] suriah : got my 850
[2016-12-22 11:43:53] l3f : suriah: my man
[2016-12-22 11:44:04] aethlios : the 850 catcher I think he sold 100k orders to 857-859
[2016-12-22 11:44:24] l3f : aethlios: yeah he's a pro
[2016-12-22 11:44:36] l3f : my ui wasn't even loading
[2016-12-22 11:44:39] l3f : couldn't see the order book
[2016-12-22 11:44:45] l3f : I was just hitting market buy
[2016-12-22 11:44:56] l3f : all I could see was the last price
[2016-12-22 11:45:20] suriah : I didnt trade that though. I lost all my funds a few days ago trading recklessly
[2016-12-22 11:45:27] deep : how we can change teh liquidation price?
[2016-12-22 11:45:35] ett1 : if he bout at 850 & sold out 858 thats pretty risky i think. not worth it for the vol taken on
[2016-12-22 11:45:36] l3f : deep: add more to your margin
[2016-12-22 11:45:39] l3f : or remove
[2016-12-22 11:45:53] l3f : ett1: money is money
[2016-12-22 11:46:08] ett1 : ye to each their own
[2016-12-22 11:46:15] tommygunn : going for coffee, no hunting while I am away
[2016-12-22 11:46:17] l3f : 4 btcs for free
[2016-12-22 11:46:23] l3f : assuming he fully closed
[2016-12-22 11:46:36] shiroe : Going down again.
[2016-12-22 11:46:36] ett1 : tommygunn: you like coffee that much?
[2016-12-22 11:46:48] ett1 : im stuck to the screen
[2016-12-22 11:47:09] tommygunn : no point in living without it
[2016-12-22 11:47:57] l3f : set some stops, go to sleep
[2016-12-22 11:48:10] l3f : outta here
[2016-12-22 11:59:09] l3f : 837 hit on bitstamp
[2016-12-22 11:59:28] l3f : I bet sleger did this
[2016-12-22 12:01:55] anonymous789 : okc not looking as convincing as bitmex
[2016-12-22 12:02:36] narnarfromnarnia : it's gonna probably retrace 840's then start back up again
[2016-12-22 12:02:50] narnarfromnarnia : 1hr is over due right?
[2016-12-22 12:02:52] anonymous789 : that's what i'm thinking
[2016-12-22 12:03:01] narnarfromnarnia : amirite
[2016-12-22 12:03:22] narnarfromnarnia : this movement isn't along with any other exchange
[2016-12-22 12:03:28] l3f : I'd buy now but I don't want to average up too much
[2016-12-22 12:03:31] narnarfromnarnia : bfx not moving
[2016-12-22 12:03:57] anonymous789 : .
[2016-12-22 12:03:57] anonymous789 : +
[2016-12-22 12:04:02] shery : narnarfromnarnia: agree with you
[2016-12-22 12:04:20] shery : narnarfromnarnia: 840 havent gone anywhere
[2016-12-22 12:04:33] anonymous789 : yea bitmex seems overly bullish
[2016-12-22 12:05:08] shery : anonymous789: btmex will be over bearish too once it start moving down again
[2016-12-22 12:05:43] anonymous789 : i think if cny gets to 6100 again probably won't see that retrace to 840
[2016-12-22 12:05:54] l3f : who started this dump?
[2016-12-22 12:05:58] l3f : was it china or stamp?
[2016-12-22 12:06:36] shery : l3f: china
[2016-12-22 12:06:37] narnarfromnarnia : bfx was slightly ahead and i sodl at top
[2016-12-22 12:06:41] rapidtrades : lo 27$ is a dump?
[2016-12-22 12:06:57] anonymous789 : rapidtrades: these days it is i guess haha
[2016-12-22 12:07:07] shery : rapidtrades: 865 to 850 btmx is over reacting today
[2016-12-22 12:07:08] narnarfromnarnia : real dump coming
[2016-12-22 12:07:17] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: you shorting or what?
[2016-12-22 12:07:25] shery : real dump is due
[2016-12-22 12:07:25] anonymous789 : retrace to 840 isn't really a dump either
[2016-12-22 12:07:27] narnarfromnarnia : just looking at 1hr
[2016-12-22 12:07:35] narnarfromnarnia : it's like greenland
[2016-12-22 12:07:45] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: 1h still has 53 minutes to finish
[2016-12-22 12:08:03] shery : anonymous789: so what should we call it
[2016-12-22 12:08:10] narnarfromnarnia : sideways
[2016-12-22 12:08:18] anonymous789 : or slight correction
[2016-12-22 12:08:26] l3f : alright if it dumps then I'm a retard
[2016-12-22 12:08:31] anonymous789 : dump would be too around 680-700 i think
[2016-12-22 12:08:47] narnarfromnarnia : i feel like 840's will be good to get back in and hodl
[2016-12-22 12:08:52] l3f : I'll be back to 870 in 4 hours
[2016-12-22 12:08:55] l3f : we'll*
[2016-12-22 12:09:04] shery : l3f: so much confidence? what you call a duump
[2016-12-22 12:09:16] shery : l3f: 840 and 900 in 24 hours
[2016-12-22 12:09:19] l3f : shery: it dumped to 837 and it got ate up
[2016-12-22 12:09:36] shery : l3f: where did it dumped to 837??
[2016-12-22 12:09:41] l3f : stamp
[2016-12-22 12:09:48] shery : l3f: china matters bro
[2016-12-22 12:09:58] anonymous789 : lol december future lower than swap
[2016-12-22 12:10:37] narnarfromnarnia : things are moving on sell side here: https://www.bfxdata.com/positions/btcusd
[2016-12-22 12:10:42] l3f : shery: all china knows how to do is buy to X cny, the sell to Y cny and everyone gets liquidated
[2016-12-22 12:10:59] l3f : when it pumps it follows stamp
[2016-12-22 12:11:13] l3f : secondly
[2016-12-22 12:11:17] l3f : this is blip on the daily candle
[2016-12-22 12:17:28] l3f : anyways if I'm wrong I get stopped out and I'll back in cheaper
[2016-12-22 12:17:34] l3f : no skin off my back
[2016-12-22 12:18:32] qwertyasdfg : someone want 0.00111ZEC?
[2016-12-22 12:19:18] narnarfromnarnia : anyone have a suggestion for application to trade with using API
[2016-12-22 12:19:23] narnarfromnarnia : web based is pretty rough here
[2016-12-22 12:19:34] narnarfromnarnia : something like qt trader
[2016-12-22 12:25:15] bingbongfly : the 100000 wall on sell swap
[2016-12-22 12:27:39] narnarfromnarnia : bingbongfly: ?
[2016-12-22 12:28:04] bingbongfly : narnarfromnarnia: there was a 100.000 sell wall on swap a few moments ago, did you miss it? :P
[2016-12-22 12:28:21] narnarfromnarnia : not 10k?
[2016-12-22 12:28:24] bingbongfly : nope
[2016-12-22 12:28:25] narnarfromnarnia : yeah
[2016-12-22 12:28:32] bingbongfly : 100.000 at 861
[2016-12-22 12:28:33] narnarfromnarnia : signal for down maybe
[2016-12-22 12:28:39] bingbongfly : maybe
[2016-12-22 12:28:42] bingbongfly : it got Got pulled away
[2016-12-22 12:28:56] narnarfromnarnia : no one really chomped into it
[2016-12-22 12:29:01] bingbongfly : yup
[2016-12-22 12:29:01] narnarfromnarnia : probably for being over bullish
[2016-12-22 12:29:26] bingbongfly : yeah, I've taken profits now so I'm in no position, only 1 x long with my funds
[2016-12-22 12:29:29] bingbongfly : feels good
[2016-12-22 12:29:34] narnarfromnarnia : whales want some margin calls
[2016-12-22 12:29:40] narnarfromnarnia : before up again
[2016-12-22 12:29:41] bingbongfly : seems so
[2016-12-22 12:29:48] narnarfromnarnia : ruthless
[2016-12-22 12:29:59] rapidtrades : no big premiums anywhere, specs are calling BS on this fakeas rall
[2016-12-22 12:30:39] narnarfromnarnia : i feel like we went up too quick but we break through critical area right?
[2016-12-22 12:31:25] narnarfromnarnia : i dunno what im talking about though
[2016-12-22 12:31:50] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: the rally feels real
[2016-12-22 12:32:01] arbitrage001 : especially for those who short
[2016-12-22 12:32:11] narnarfromnarnia : rapidtrades: some walls were eaten through on bfx
[2016-12-22 12:32:15] narnarfromnarnia : that's what got my attention
[2016-12-22 12:32:22] arbitrage001 : but i agree, this is the first time bitstamp leading the charge
[2016-12-22 12:33:06] rapidtrades : if we went up too quick premiums would spike
[2016-12-22 12:33:13] narnarfromnarnia : the 1hr will turn red and we'll have some down trend i think before we go up again
[2016-12-22 12:33:36] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: not necessaly
[2016-12-22 12:33:37] rapidtrades : noone trusts this rally, its almost 3 months long
[2016-12-22 12:33:38] anonymous789 : blood in the streets?
[2016-12-22 12:33:56] arbitrage001 : method to calculate premium has change for the swap
[2016-12-22 12:34:17] arbitrage001 : and the premium for future is low becuase risk is lower
[2016-12-22 12:34:25] arbitrage001 : cuz it is inverse contract
[2016-12-22 12:35:02] bingbongfly : only 2 out of 19 dailies are red on the kraken eur chart, amazing
[2016-12-22 12:38:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 2000 @ 906.98
[2016-12-22 12:38:47] shery : dump started
[2016-12-22 12:39:10] rapidtrades : oh no
[2016-12-22 12:39:10] narnarfromnarnia : shery: where?
[2016-12-22 12:39:15] micmix : it's over, sell everything and go to bed
[2016-12-22 12:39:21] rapidtrades : QQ
[2016-12-22 12:39:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 30 @ 859.67
[2016-12-22 12:39:33] rapidtrades : WE'RE ALL DEAD
[2016-12-22 12:39:40] shery : narnarfromnarnia: watch out in a while
[2016-12-22 12:40:29] shery : where is that guy saying 900 in 4 hour ?
[2016-12-22 12:41:04] narnarfromnarnia : i think we should at least see near 840
[2016-12-22 12:41:18] immackay : shery: probably cutting himself like I should be
[2016-12-22 12:41:30] immackay : rapidtrades: I think I know how it feels to be you
[2016-12-22 12:41:43] arbitrage001 : immackay: you dont
[2016-12-22 12:42:01] arbitrage001 : immackay: i shorted 5 btc at 710
[2016-12-22 12:42:07] shery : 840 isnt gone wnywhere , gow could it rise so much in one go, every pump have a small correctioon atleas
[2016-12-22 12:42:13] immackay : arbitrage001: ouch
[2016-12-22 12:42:21] arbitrage001 : immackay: exactly
[2016-12-22 12:42:30] immackay : but I lost 5 bitcoin today that I didn't start out with
[2016-12-22 12:42:39] immackay : which is just plain irritating
[2016-12-22 12:42:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 4350 @ 857.79
[2016-12-22 12:42:52] immackay : I mean, at least I'm not actually out any money
[2016-12-22 12:42:52] immackay : but
[2016-12-22 12:43:10] arbitrage001 : you use high leverage?
[2016-12-22 12:43:38] immackay : arbitrage001: yeah, but I made a shitty trade right before the massive dump a little while ago
[2016-12-22 12:43:55] arbitrage001 : making 5 btc in a day is impressive
[2016-12-22 12:43:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCZ16`: sell 1 @ 6038.6 :punch: :whale:
[2016-12-22 12:44:12] immackay : arbitrage001: yeah, I went from .5 to 4.7
[2016-12-22 12:44:14] narnarfromnarnia : longs being called
[2016-12-22 12:44:26] immackay : now i'm back down at .7
[2016-12-22 12:44:46] anonymous789 : next target 5980 cny?
[2016-12-22 12:45:04] narnarfromnarnia : anonymous789: what's that in dollars?
[2016-12-22 12:45:19] anonymous789 : not sure, what it ends up being, i awlays just watch the cny chart
[2016-12-22 12:45:27] anonymous789 : always*
[2016-12-22 12:45:49] anonymous789 : looks to be around 840-845
[2016-12-22 12:46:00] anonymous789 : the support area
[2016-12-22 12:46:43] narnarfromnarnia : do you have a custom chart with support for USD marked by chance?
[2016-12-22 12:46:45] narnarfromnarnia : like trading view?
[2016-12-22 12:47:01] anonymous789 : oh nah, i just do my own thing
[2016-12-22 12:47:11] anonymous789 : i try and get opinions from here
[2016-12-22 12:47:13] anonymous789 : but no one ever replies
[2016-12-22 12:48:14] chords : its a little had predictin g the chart,keeping making wrong choices and lossing bitcoin
[2016-12-22 12:49:47] narnarfromnarnia : is there anywhere else to watch the orderbook and chart like bitcoinwisdom?
[2016-12-22 12:50:10] anonymous789 : tradingview is where i look at xbtusd
[2016-12-22 12:50:32] narnarfromnarnia : https://bitcoinity.org/markets/bitfinex/USD
[2016-12-22 12:50:38] narnarfromnarnia : something like this helps me out with the wall
[2016-12-22 12:50:46] narnarfromnarnia : her ei can only see up a few bucks
[2016-12-22 12:58:03] rms : http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-global-markets-bitcoin-idUKKBN14B14E
[2016-12-22 12:59:07] rapidtrades : SELL SELL SELL SELL
[2016-12-22 13:01:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 300 @ 859.44
[2016-12-22 13:02:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 20000 @ 860.05
[2016-12-22 13:06:11] rapidtrades : sl
[2016-12-22 13:06:50] narnarfromnarnia : rapidtrades: ?
[2016-12-22 13:06:51] tommygunn : Last trade: $1,185.92CADVolume: 545.53073955XɃTLow: $1,117.50CADHigh: $1,200.00CAD switch CAD to US and you are good
[2016-12-22 13:07:55] rapidtrades : english?
[2016-12-22 13:08:14] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: we are going to moon
[2016-12-22 13:08:24] ett1 : rapidtrades: wheres your SL?
[2016-12-22 13:09:22] narnarfromnarnia : this is a stop loss?
[2016-12-22 13:09:33] rapidtrades : I left it at ur mom's place @ett1
[2016-12-22 13:09:34] narnarfromnarnia : i think its normal just 1hr crossing about now to red
[2016-12-22 13:09:51] narnarfromnarnia : little spike before more dumpage
[2016-12-22 13:10:20] ett1 : rapidtrades: my mom doesnt service broke bastards
[2016-12-22 13:11:03] rapidtrades : I think u just called ur mom a ho
[2016-12-22 13:11:39] ett1 : its the family business
[2016-12-22 13:12:11] rapidtrades : That puts its total value at around the same as that of an average FTSE 100 company.
[2016-12-22 13:13:30] ett1 : i think its going to dwarf the entire ftse100 market cap
[2016-12-22 13:15:17] ett1 : the bitcoin protocol is more valuable than the ftse100 companies output, its way undervalued
[2016-12-22 13:16:09] ytaews : does buying bitcoin give you a corresponding share of that value though?
[2016-12-22 13:16:09] rapidtrades : what makes it 'more valuable'
[2016-12-22 13:16:12] ett1 : investors will be liquidating their zombie company stocks making 20% if theyre lucky to to get into the bitcoin bull
[2016-12-22 13:16:47] rapidtrades : what makes it 'more valuable'
[2016-12-22 13:16:52] ett1 : rapidtrades: well banks are some of the biggest companies in the indexes right
[2016-12-22 13:17:00] ett1 : they provide banking service
[2016-12-22 13:17:06] laisee : without blockchain reward, the Bitcoin network will not earn much from fees, at current TPS levels.
[2016-12-22 13:17:22] ett1 : but bitcoin does it even better. its impossible to get an anonymous bank in todays environment and will remain so
[2016-12-22 13:17:29] ett1 : bitcoin is the new banking system
[2016-12-22 13:17:51] ett1 : in the olden days they used to call it banking, now everyhting is labelled money laundering and needs to be limited and controlled
[2016-12-22 13:17:57] ett1 : its a trillion dollar market
[2016-12-22 13:18:18] rapidtrades : I see BP, SABMiller, Vodafone and Royal Dutch Shell
[2016-12-22 13:18:33] rapidtrades : GlaxoSmithKline
[2016-12-22 13:18:40] rapidtrades : no banks buddy
[2016-12-22 13:18:51] ett1 : stockmarket is just a conspiracy between big corporations, pension schemes, investment houses that add no value (just offer protection from inflation)
[2016-12-22 13:19:00] ytaews : but if I buy shares in a bank I make money when the bank makes money
[2016-12-22 13:19:11] ett1 : nobodys really getting returns in the grand scheme of things its a casino
[2016-12-22 13:19:21] rapidtrades : ett1: thank u for that stupid opinion
[2016-12-22 13:19:23] ytaews : if I buy bitcoin and ppl can transact more efficiently, does that necessarily equate to money for me as a holder?
[2016-12-22 13:19:34] ett1 : but there will be a massive global transfer of wealth over to bitcoin until it stablaises
[2016-12-22 13:19:34] rapidtrades : each person here is now dumber for having to read that
[2016-12-22 13:20:02] orly : ett1: thing is, they are the ones running the world economy, politics, pretty much everything
[2016-12-22 13:20:17] rapidtrades : ytaews: has good points too
[2016-12-22 13:20:18] orly : ett1: bitcoin provides the technology, but that's not enough
[2016-12-22 13:20:25] ett1 : ytaews: not really, the regulators and staff milk all the profits till theres no shareholder value left. maybe if you got in 50 years ago
[2016-12-22 13:20:48] rapidtrades : CITATION NEEDED
[2016-12-22 13:20:50] ett1 : now its just something for the pension funds to buy as mandate
[2016-12-22 13:21:23] rapidtrades : stock market returns average 5-10% per year across the world
[2016-12-22 13:21:35] ett1 : whats inflation
[2016-12-22 13:21:43] ytaews : rapidtrades: only if you got in 50 years ago, clearly
[2016-12-22 13:22:10] ett1 : if i bought 25% gold, 25% house, 25% cash and 25% stocks 50 years ago...id still have the same thing today
[2016-12-22 13:22:16] ett1 : i wouldnt be riches
[2016-12-22 13:22:19] ett1 : richer
[2016-12-22 13:22:24] rapidtrades : no u wouldn't u moron
[2016-12-22 13:22:51] rapidtrades : http://theirrelevantinvestor.com/2016/12/02/the-permanent-portfolio/
[2016-12-22 13:23:00] ytaews : if you bought 100% bitcoin in 2011 you'd still have the same thing today... so you wouldn't be richer?
[2016-12-22 13:23:05] rapidtrades : ^ that allocation is pretty close to urs and it returned 9%
[2016-12-22 13:23:11] rapidtrades : 8% per year
[2016-12-22 13:23:20] ett1 : yes i would. id have the same house, the same weight in gold etc. I might be richer in dollar terms
[2016-12-22 13:23:35] ett1 : thats all this 5-7% stock market returns is. inflation.
[2016-12-22 13:23:53] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: where's the dump?
[2016-12-22 13:24:06] narnarfromnarnia : i dunno
[2016-12-22 13:24:07] narnarfromnarnia : waiting
[2016-12-22 13:24:15] narnarfromnarnia : seems to just be the 5min
[2016-12-22 13:24:18] ytaews : ett1: by your definition any return on any investment ever is just inflation
[2016-12-22 13:24:20] narnarfromnarnia : the 1hr has to cross over
[2016-12-22 13:24:21] l3f : exactly
[2016-12-22 13:24:22] ett1 : houses, a basket of commodities they all end up averaging about make the same returns if you look over 5 decades
[2016-12-22 13:24:33] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: if you shorted you'd have lost money
[2016-12-22 13:24:34] rapidtrades : no they dont
[2016-12-22 13:24:56] l3f : why don't you short now?
[2016-12-22 13:24:59] ett1 : ytaews: no because everything changes relatively
[2016-12-22 13:25:25] ett1 : like a barrel of oil was probably the same as a kg of tea at soem point. traders cal always make profits
[2016-12-22 13:25:43] rapidtrades : by ur login having 100 bitcoins with prices at $1000 is the same thing as having 100 bitcoins when pricess are $1
[2016-12-22 13:25:45] narnarfromnarnia : big wall movement on bfx
[2016-12-22 13:25:47] rapidtrades : u retard
[2016-12-22 13:25:58] ytaews : sure but if you bought a barrel of oil for $1 and still have it, you only really have 1 barrel of oil so you're not any richer now
[2016-12-22 13:25:59] rapidtrades : by ur logic*
[2016-12-22 13:26:13] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: lol is this your first day trading?
[2016-12-22 13:26:22] l3f : fucking lol
[2016-12-22 13:26:24] narnarfromnarnia : lol
[2016-12-22 13:26:26] narnarfromnarnia : since mt gox yeah
[2016-12-22 13:26:53] l3f : yeah I can tell
[2016-12-22 13:28:06] narnarfromnarnia : bitmex is so bullish ahead of the other exchanges
[2016-12-22 13:28:36] rapidtrades : cos IQ is really low here
[2016-12-22 13:28:56] l3f : rapidtrades: you're so god damn right
[2016-12-22 13:29:16] l3f : rapidtrades: did you average down on the zec pump?
[2016-12-22 13:29:16] aethlios : swap strong now.
[2016-12-22 13:29:32] ett1 : rapidtrades: you did IQ test? what was your score
[2016-12-22 13:29:55] ett1 : i bet you were a 128
[2016-12-22 13:30:04] ett1 : kind good, but nothing special
[2016-12-22 13:30:13] l3f : ett1: nah he's a solid 200
[2016-12-22 13:30:33] l3f : I agree with his trading advice most of the time
[2016-12-22 13:30:43] narnarfromnarnia : aethlios: what do you mean?
[2016-12-22 13:30:47] narnarfromnarnia : balanced?
[2016-12-22 13:31:20] tulip : my XBT Mark Price shows 863 but chart is @ 868, something wrong?
[2016-12-22 13:31:24] immackay : ett1: rapidtrades is just vocal so we overly criticize him
[2016-12-22 13:31:25] aethlios : it is bullish more than it used to be
[2016-12-22 13:32:13] immackay : he's probably doing better than the average here
[2016-12-22 13:32:45] tommygunn : just read this made me chuckle just limit sell bra, back in my noob trading days i would hit market sell just as some asshole cleans out the order book and get insta rekt
[2016-12-22 13:32:53] laisee : thought he was bot provided by BMX to make troll box fun
[2016-12-22 13:33:12] l3f : laisee: no that's me
[2016-12-22 13:33:14] l3f : and REKT
[2016-12-22 13:33:34] l3f : rapidtrades sings and I dance
[2016-12-22 13:33:35] rapidtrades : laisee: u could prolly fit my personality in 20 catchphrases
[2016-12-22 13:33:43] rapidtrades : smone should make a me bot
[2016-12-22 13:34:31] laisee : prove that u ar not a bot
[2016-12-22 13:34:37] l3f : rapidtrades: here's some zingers "damn I bought at top" "damn I sold at bottom" "fuck this semen slurping market" "fuck this manipulation" "fuck zec"
[2016-12-22 13:35:34] tulip : someone please tell my why my position shows vastly different numbers than the buy/sell panel on the left side
[2016-12-22 13:35:47] l3f : tulip: because mark price and the last price aren't the same thing
[2016-12-22 13:35:55] l3f : nor is it the same as the index price
[2016-12-22 13:36:07] narnarfromnarnia : lil pump pre dump
[2016-12-22 13:36:09] tulip : is there a site that explains this?
[2016-12-22 13:36:19] l3f : tulip: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradingOverview
[2016-12-22 13:36:35] BitMEX_Wally : tulip: Which numbers in particular are different?
[2016-12-22 13:36:44] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: lol it'd be at 870 and you're waiting for your predump
[2016-12-22 13:37:00] tulip : mark price and chart
[2016-12-22 13:37:14] tulip : and buy/sell on left side
[2016-12-22 13:37:17] REKT : Choppy waters make solid seamen!
[2016-12-22 13:37:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 500 @ 866.01
[2016-12-22 13:37:19] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: why don't you put your money where your mouth is? short if you think it's going to dump?
[2016-12-22 13:37:27] ett1 : laisee: lol that bot comment was funny
[2016-12-22 13:37:30] ElNuevo : tulip: @BitMEX_Wally +1. new and dont understand this
[2016-12-22 13:37:32] narnarfromnarnia : l3f: am short
[2016-12-22 13:37:44] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: how much and what entry?
[2016-12-22 13:37:59] narnarfromnarnia : not much 862
[2016-12-22 13:38:04] narnarfromnarnia : 20btc
[2016-12-22 13:38:11] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: yeah you're underwater right now
[2016-12-22 13:38:20] narnarfromnarnia : a bit but look at that 1hr
[2016-12-22 13:38:35] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: you'll drown in a bit
[2016-12-22 13:38:36] narnarfromnarnia : towering over all this
[2016-12-22 13:38:36] shery : narnarfromnarnia: he is eyeing 900
[2016-12-22 13:38:54] narnarfromnarnia : who
[2016-12-22 13:38:55] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: sorry that was worded too strongly
[2016-12-22 13:39:12] l3f : anyways this could be the dead cat bounce
[2016-12-22 13:39:16] ElNuevo : why is mark price lower than orderbook? im at a loss when i think shouldnt for the numbers
[2016-12-22 13:39:17] l3f : and it's on the way down
[2016-12-22 13:39:20] shery : narnarfromnarnia: @l3f
[2016-12-22 13:39:41] narnarfromnarnia : i think so
[2016-12-22 13:39:46] l3f : shery: more like tomorrow at this rate
[2016-12-22 13:39:48] BitMEX_Wally : To prevent people manipulating the market or causing liquidations we use a mark price based on the underlying index, rather than the last price of the swap/future here. More information here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-12-22 13:40:08] BitMEX_Wally : The last price of XBTUSD is 868.99 but the mark price is 866.4
[2016-12-22 13:40:16] shery : l3f: it wil surely be at 900 + tommorow but it will dump in coming hours
[2016-12-22 13:40:16] BitMEX_Wally : This just means that the swap is trading at a slight premium
[2016-12-22 13:40:27] l3f : shery: I take you short as well?
[2016-12-22 13:40:28] l3f : what entry?
[2016-12-22 13:40:40] ElNuevo : BitMEX_Wally: ty
[2016-12-22 13:41:46] aethlios : BitMEX_Wally: Hi Wally, remember asking you about tradingview adding XBCH17? do you think they will?
[2016-12-22 13:41:58] l3f : rapidtrades: you've got company :^)
[2016-12-22 13:42:12] shery : l3f: 872
[2016-12-22 13:42:31] BitMEX_Wally : aethlios: It's a mystery, we've given them the API that returns all symbols dynamically. They insist on hard coding the symbols...
[2016-12-22 13:42:41] l3f : shery: nice, how much?
[2016-12-22 13:43:11] l3f : did you close any during that insane dump?
[2016-12-22 13:43:19] shery : l3f: not much 30000 contracts
[2016-12-22 13:43:35] shery : l3f: insane?
[2016-12-22 13:43:45] l3f : well it did go 750
[2016-12-22 13:43:46] l3f : 850*
[2016-12-22 13:44:09] l3f : +0.9 xbt if you hit the bottom
[2016-12-22 13:45:19] shery : l3f: it will go down ,840 and than up i have a strong believe
[2016-12-22 13:46:10] ett1 : i recon 800 could be new support
[2016-12-22 13:46:24] ett1 : perhaps 835 or whatever was the low
[2016-12-22 13:47:12] ett1 : im long but not looking to add or take profits right now
[2016-12-22 13:47:35] ett1 : might scale up with a tight SL if it continues the higher highs / higher lows
[2016-12-22 13:47:48] shery : l3f: but i wont wait more than 6 hours it will skyrocket tommorow
[2016-12-22 13:48:04] l3f : well water level's rising now
[2016-12-22 13:48:09] l3f : will you short more?
[2016-12-22 13:48:33] ett1 : shery: what do you do if it breaks highs? go long
[2016-12-22 13:48:44] l3f : (i just want to know what your plans are)
[2016-12-22 13:48:46] ett1 : ?
[2016-12-22 13:49:10] shery : ett1: long is best option. I went long on 728 till 780
[2016-12-22 13:49:36] ett1 : coll just wondering, i think new highs are the best time for longs
[2016-12-22 13:49:54] ett1 : only things thats bearish is that the upmove has stalled
[2016-12-22 13:50:07] ett1 : its kinds in a short term range / undecisive
[2016-12-22 13:55:49] aethlios : bitmex volume getting better by the day
[2016-12-22 13:56:19] l3f : aethlios: still long brother?
[2016-12-22 13:58:09] aethlios : l3f: https://www.tradingview.com/x/QAt7ES1s/ this is my basic chart, I am net long, also long okcoin 3 month and short swap here. speculate to increased funding and higher premium.
[2016-12-22 13:58:47] aethlios : so i do some more complex trategies also.
[2016-12-22 13:58:55] aethlios : strategies
[2016-12-22 14:03:45] l3f : aethlios: jesus, if your strat works it works
[2016-12-22 14:03:55] l3f : some serious TA there
[2016-12-22 14:04:44] ett1 : similar to my strat, hes just buying like monthly breakouts
[2016-12-22 14:05:46] l3f : aethlios: how much are you making from the interest?
[2016-12-22 14:06:59] l3f : this is my chart
[2016-12-22 14:07:00] l3f : https://www.tradingview.com/x/lrl9p6yv/
[2016-12-22 14:07:22] aethlios : l3f: this is a bullish strategy, if bull market is strong you collect the funding (it increased last 3 days) and also the premium widens, you have to leave at the top before correction starts which kills the premium.
[2016-12-22 14:08:10] ett1 : aethlios: when your long with the trend, what do you use for your exit?
[2016-12-22 14:08:14] l3f : and that has better yield then just long futures or are you hedging to lower risk?
[2016-12-22 14:09:18] l3f : because it looks like you're on (hedged interest + futures) and you adjust your risk based on how bullish you fell
[2016-12-22 14:09:18] l3f : feel*
[2016-12-22 14:09:54] l3f : ett1: he's hedge is free interest money
[2016-12-22 14:10:02] l3f : he just sells the future and buy back the swap
[2016-12-22 14:10:06] l3f : if he wants to exit
[2016-12-22 14:10:32] l3f : second question: why bother with woodchipper?
[2016-12-22 14:10:41] aethlios : l3f: I am also net long, but i also have a lower risk position (the hedged long 3month short swap). if market is stable you can loose the premium because goes down as time passes, and swap has zero funding.
[2016-12-22 14:10:49] ett1 : what was the circled bull moves on the chart? isnt that his buys
[2016-12-22 14:11:11] aethlios : ett1: explain please better, didn't understand.
[2016-12-22 14:11:13] l3f : ett1: he expect an upward trend to occure there
[2016-12-22 14:11:20] l3f : he's wondering why the yellow circle
[2016-12-22 14:11:25] ett1 : https://www.tradingview.com/x/QAt7ES1s/
[2016-12-22 14:11:43] ett1 : when the BB breakouts occur, and youve circled the bull moves
[2016-12-22 14:11:49] ett1 : are those your entries
[2016-12-22 14:11:58] ett1 : because my strategy works like that
[2016-12-22 14:12:06] l3f : ett1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxU2eqZtYmc
[2016-12-22 14:12:09] ett1 : i buy the breakouts
[2016-12-22 14:12:30] l3f : it's poetry
[2016-12-22 14:12:47] aethlios : okcoin 3 month now much cheaper because yuan premium low, okcoin index has yuan exchanges inside, so in a pump the premium will go much higher, but has much more liquidity.
[2016-12-22 14:13:09] l3f : aethlios: you're taking woodchipper interest as well
[2016-12-22 14:13:18] l3f : you're not afraid of CNY risk?
[2016-12-22 14:13:36] l3f : or are you on .com
[2016-12-22 14:13:42] aethlios : l3f: yellow circle shoew that this has happened twice before in the past. this chart is since 755 spot, old chart.
[2016-12-22 14:13:59] l3f : aethlios: check the youtube video :)
[2016-12-22 14:14:34] ett1 : aethlios: oh ok, ive been buying them before they happen ;)
[2016-12-22 14:14:57] ett1 : was thinking you were going long the BB breakouts when above the trend line of something
[2016-12-22 14:15:19] ett1 : that would work similar. so i was wondering what the exits signal for that system was
[2016-12-22 14:15:27] ett1 : nevermind
[2016-12-22 14:15:43] aethlios : ett1: my entry is usually before the break out, when i start understanding we are in ascending triangle, i want to be in profit during the break out. I prefer to trust a bullish descending triangle.
[2016-12-22 14:16:25] l3f : aethlios: sleger simply moves the market so they fit his strategy
[2016-12-22 14:16:25] ett1 : ok. breakouts seem pretty high probability to me, aslong as you arnt in a long term bear market
[2016-12-22 14:16:35] aethlios : sorry ascending triangle
[2016-12-22 14:16:43] ett1 : like the resistance levels you draw
[2016-12-22 14:16:57] ett1 : of the triangles. good to buy when they break
[2016-12-22 14:18:57] aethlios : ett1: when you want to sell, you can short the 3 month and earn the premium, so increase more your return, 3 month premium is an indicator if we are overbouht or oversold. but all based in the long term trend.
[2016-12-22 14:19:47] aethlios : l3f: I am on .com okcoin futures
[2016-12-22 14:21:06] ett1 : aethlios: you mean -1x short as an alternative to USD on okcoin
[2016-12-22 14:22:18] aethlios : ett1: I mean for someone who bought spot long 775 and will sell spot 1100, he better keep spot and sell the 3 month at 1200, wait until expiration.
[2016-12-22 14:22:37] aethlios : will make 8% extra
[2016-12-22 14:22:45] ett1 : oh ok ye
[2016-12-22 14:34:12] CaptainDean : Ho my BTC
[2016-12-22 14:35:15] CaptainDean : impressive push while i was sleeping
[2016-12-22 14:35:20] CaptainDean : missed the boat !
[2016-12-22 14:38:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCT7D`: buy 500 @ 0.002867
[2016-12-22 14:38:34] REKT : Close your longs, close your shorts, choppy waters ahead!
[2016-12-22 14:43:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 125 @ 867.51
[2016-12-22 14:43:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 236 @ 867.39
[2016-12-22 14:44:19] bingbongfly : REKT bot giving advise
[2016-12-22 14:47:09] l3f : "[2016-12-22 12:08:52] l3f : I'll be back to 870 in 4 hours"
[2016-12-22 14:47:13] l3f : we*
[2016-12-22 14:47:16] l3f : shery:
[2016-12-22 14:47:24] l3f : narnarfromnarnia:
[2016-12-22 14:47:27] l3f : Well?
[2016-12-22 14:47:39] l3f : is it 870 yet?
[2016-12-22 14:47:42] l3f : in exactly 4 hours?
[2016-12-22 14:47:47] l3f : wow how did this happen
[2016-12-22 14:49:33] narnarfromnarnia : which direction are we going
[2016-12-22 14:49:49] l3f : I thought you knew
[2016-12-22 14:50:02] narnarfromnarnia : i fell asleep
[2016-12-22 14:50:11] narnarfromnarnia : just waiting through it for a few hours
[2016-12-22 14:50:21] narnarfromnarnia : it will be back down
[2016-12-22 14:52:45] l3f : :))))
[2016-12-22 14:53:24] narnarfromnarnia : i hope
[2016-12-22 14:53:39] narnarfromnarnia : 15min crossing but pretty weak
[2016-12-22 14:53:46] narnarfromnarnia : what's an honest take on this short term
[2016-12-22 14:53:52] narnarfromnarnia : are we going to drop on the 1hr?
[2016-12-22 14:54:50] l3f : explain why we'll drop?
[2016-12-22 14:55:22] narnarfromnarnia : no idea
[2016-12-22 14:55:27] narnarfromnarnia : over bought
[2016-12-22 14:55:34] narnarfromnarnia : on every indicator
[2016-12-22 14:55:39] l3f : it's a pump of course rsi will be over bought
[2016-12-22 14:55:44] l3f : + trending market
[2016-12-22 14:55:49] ett1 : narnarfromnarnia: ofcourse
[2016-12-22 14:55:53] l3f : rsi will be out of range for a long time
[2016-12-22 14:55:59] anonymous789 : technicals count for little when btc is behaving like this
[2016-12-22 14:56:02] ett1 : and it will be overbought at 950
[2016-12-22 14:56:32] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: short this if you want but I wont
[2016-12-22 14:56:41] l3f : I'll have tight stop losses but no shorts
[2016-12-22 14:57:08] narnarfromnarnia : yeah i may just close it out and rest
[2016-12-22 14:57:10] narnarfromnarnia : only down .23 btc
[2016-12-22 14:57:21] narnarfromnarnia : not worth it being a bigger issue when i wake up
[2016-12-22 14:57:42] l3f : I told ya it was a shake out
[2016-12-22 14:57:56] narnarfromnarnia : lot of sell orders up now though
[2016-12-22 14:58:16] ett1 : theyll disappear
[2016-12-22 15:00:37] narnarfromnarnia : might just need a bit of downtrend this afternoon
[2016-12-22 15:00:44] tommygunn : sell that short
[2016-12-22 15:00:53] flux : people seriously shorting right now?
[2016-12-22 15:01:04] l3f : flux: fuel for the fire when they get liquidated
[2016-12-22 15:01:50] narnarfromnarnia : yeah i just closed out not worth it
[2016-12-22 15:02:00] narnarfromnarnia : too tired
[2016-12-22 15:02:19] tommygunn : gppd move
[2016-12-22 15:07:10] narnarfromnarnia : watch it turn downtrend now though
[2016-12-22 15:11:02] Rado : USD down
[2016-12-22 15:11:08] Rado : Gold, Oil, EUR up
[2016-12-22 15:11:17] Rado : JPY as well
[2016-12-22 15:11:17] ett1 : EUR lol
[2016-12-22 15:11:57] l3f : narnarfromnarnia: m80, short 100x
[2016-12-22 15:12:10] l3f : lel
[2016-12-22 15:12:15] l3f : all in
[2016-12-22 15:12:18] l3f : downtrend right?
[2016-12-22 15:12:23] l3f : this is double top
[2016-12-22 15:13:10] ett1 : H&S actually
[2016-12-22 15:13:40] Rado : H&S?
[2016-12-22 15:13:42] ett1 : this is the right shoulder, it wont make a new high
[2016-12-22 15:13:43] Rado : on what time frame?
[2016-12-22 15:13:48] ett1 : 15min
[2016-12-22 15:14:04] ett1 : /jk im bullish
[2016-12-22 15:14:10] ett1 : but it does look a bit like it
[2016-12-22 15:14:20] Rado : still doesn't look like H&S
[2016-12-22 15:16:21] Rado : there was a nasty candle earlier
[2016-12-22 15:16:36] Rado : went all the way back to $840
[2016-12-22 15:16:49] Rado : on Bitstamp
[2016-12-22 15:17:31] ett1 : ye your right, i was treating it as a spike i suppose & using the 855 area as the imagined support
[2016-12-22 15:17:42] ett1 : but i dont belive in this pattern anyway
[2016-12-22 15:17:48] ett1 : just flags and triangles
[2016-12-22 15:18:13] ett1 : those work quite well i think
[2016-12-22 15:20:23] mjones : someone needs to sell into that ZEC margin call wall on H17
[2016-12-22 15:21:15] Rado : ZECH17 still at a big discount
[2016-12-22 15:23:52] Nerve : Hey guys...are you all see a downtrend comming ?
[2016-12-22 15:24:23] ett1 : nope, just new highs
[2016-12-22 15:24:57] Rado : Nerve: I do
[2016-12-22 15:25:04] Rado : I wouldn't call it a downtrend
[2016-12-22 15:25:12] Rado : more like a correction in an uptrend
[2016-12-22 15:25:14] Nerve : A retrace
[2016-12-22 15:25:33] Nerve : so....it's time to close my longs..