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[2016-12-21 01:36:37] Johnster : Hi guys.. where can I find the FAQ/ FEE's?
[2016-12-21 01:38:47] habibi : try here https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradingOverview
[2016-12-21 01:44:58] Johnster : How was that again? If I buy from the book > 0,075%, If I ad liquidity to the book -,025%?
[2016-12-21 01:55:04] QuantFocus : Si
[2016-12-21 02:25:53] elmorte : whoa....what happened at the CNY March future?
[2016-12-21 02:27:26] micmix : mm was out and someone market sold 2k
[2016-12-21 02:29:00] micmix : only 2000 was traded at low price <5500, no biggie
[2016-12-21 02:32:43] Rado : micmix: that's not good though
[2016-12-21 02:32:56] Rado : someone could lose a lot of money if they have a stop
[2016-12-21 02:33:13] micmix : only one MM on XBCH17, need more
[2016-12-21 02:34:11] micmix : something like that bound to happen from time to time until we have at least 3-5 reliable MMs on all contracts
[2016-12-21 02:34:43] Rado : agreed
[2016-12-21 02:34:52] sleger : price for leverage
[2016-12-21 02:34:53] Rado : maybe I will add my new bot ;-)
[2016-12-21 02:35:51] javierstone : pumpin
[2016-12-21 02:35:52] micmix : yep, the more the merrier
[2016-12-21 02:37:32] elmorte : micmix: ah, thanks
[2016-12-21 02:41:57] j8 : those trades that cause huge wicks would be rejected on okc. i would appreciate it if bitmex had a similar short term price band. those limits are practically never hit legitimately
[2016-12-21 02:42:57] micmix : Rado: stops on last price are super dangerous here
[2016-12-21 02:47:09] immackay : what the fuck is the order book doing
[2016-12-21 02:51:46] j8 : not much stopping the mark price from spiking 20 pct or 50 pct either when the order book is empty @micmix
[2016-12-21 02:54:15] j8 : gotta fly, later
[2016-12-21 02:56:02] mjones : 0kcoin down?
[2016-12-21 02:57:02] holistico : lol open your 100x allin shorts in 3
[2016-12-21 02:57:16] holistico : 2
[2016-12-21 02:57:26] holistico : 1
[2016-12-21 02:57:44] holistico : Gooo goo
[2016-12-21 02:57:54] immackay : holistico: lol
[2016-12-21 03:06:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1000 @ 802.31
[2016-12-21 03:06:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 30 @ 802.34
[2016-12-21 03:06:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 11332 @ 802.81
[2016-12-21 03:06:57] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 155601 @ 803.66 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-12-21 03:06:57] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 270 @ 803.53
[2016-12-21 03:06:57] REKT : Gentlemen, we have an eREKTion!
[2016-12-21 03:10:17] immackay : man, look at all those liquidated shorts
[2016-12-21 03:11:06] zanza : wow 150k rekt
[2016-12-21 03:11:14] zanza : biggest ive seen in a while
[2016-12-21 03:12:41] zanza : no brakes!
[2016-12-21 03:24:33] zanza : bubble territory?
[2016-12-21 03:30:03] rapidtrades : no dude this will keep going forever
[2016-12-21 03:30:11] rapidtrades : cos bitcoin and stuff
[2016-12-21 03:30:56] immackay : didn't you hear? it's going to the mooooooon
[2016-12-21 03:31:39] rapidtrades : yeah its been going to the moon since 2013
[2016-12-21 03:32:01] rapidtrades : just like elon musk, it never seems to get there
[2016-12-21 03:32:49] immackay : elon musk is the master of hype
[2016-12-21 03:33:08] immackay : "the boring company" what a fucking joke
[2016-12-21 03:34:11] XXXX : rapidtrades: it is time to let go of that short. Much less pain.
[2016-12-21 03:34:38] ett1 : teslas are ugly. just copied the shitty jaguar xk at the back and aston martin at the front
[2016-12-21 03:35:20] ett1 : only nerds in americans that want like them. noone would want one in britain
[2016-12-21 03:35:29] ett1 : theyre made of plastic
[2016-12-21 03:35:41] immackay : like most things from america
[2016-12-21 03:36:53] ett1 : http://gm-volt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Model_S_Jag_XF-1024x294.jpg
[2016-12-21 03:37:04] immackay : and yeah, the beauty of being a new car company is that you can repurpose what other companies have been using for years and call it your own
[2016-12-21 03:38:44] ett1 : Tesla is producing what i'd expect from some shitty china car brand, but for porsche prices
[2016-12-21 03:39:26] immackay : yup the styling on the newest one just makes me cringe
[2016-12-21 03:40:06] ett1 : i've never had those 'small penis' jokes about lambo/ferrari owners etc theres no correlation. but i'd bet money Tesla owners actually do have smaller dicks
[2016-12-21 03:41:15] ett1 : i wanted to be a car designer when i was a kid. used to draw them then design them in CAD. seriously, theres no creativity in the tesla body
[2016-12-21 03:41:40] ett1 : its cringeworthy to me atleast
[2016-12-21 03:42:14] immackay : I want an electric car but something that is actually, I don't know, desirable
[2016-12-21 03:42:24] ett1 : i always think its a jag from a distance (i dont like the new jags either) but when im close and see the tesla bad, i feel pity for the cars owner
[2016-12-21 03:42:35] ett1 : badge*
[2016-12-21 03:43:23] ett1 : electric ariel atom? @immackay
[2016-12-21 03:44:39] rapidtrades : I have no clue what tesla's plan is tbh
[2016-12-21 03:44:50] rapidtrades : they're losing money on every vehicle sold
[2016-12-21 03:45:30] immackay : ett1: that actually looks cool but it's not practical where I live
[2016-12-21 03:46:27] immackay : rapidtrades: perhaps they think they can get an edge in on the electric car market? even though once electric cars start actually being popular, the giant producers will just start churning them out and tesla will be even deeper in the hole
[2016-12-21 03:47:00] immackay : similar to what happened to solar city
[2016-12-21 03:48:42] rapidtrades : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38363441
[2016-12-21 03:49:23] l3f : rapidtrades: are you a long or a short?
[2016-12-21 03:49:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 60 @ 804.40
[2016-12-21 03:52:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 25000 @ 804.42
[2016-12-21 03:52:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: sell 500 @ 0.001378
[2016-12-21 03:52:58] rapidtrades : lol march is still not up to the 850 highs hit at open
[2016-12-21 03:53:13] rapidtrades : and spot is $20 higher
[2016-12-21 03:53:51] rapidtrades : what a weakass rally
[2016-12-21 03:53:56] l3f : rapidtrades: you sound fustrated
[2016-12-21 03:54:17] ett1 : immackay: i should become the new elon must. all i need to do is make better designs. perhaps ill launch an ICO
[2016-12-21 03:54:29] l3f : we be going moon bois
[2016-12-21 03:54:36] aethlios : rapidtrades: did you receive coinsbank card?
[2016-12-21 03:55:27] immackay : ett1: just change your name so that it's memorable and you're set
[2016-12-21 03:55:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 500 @ 805.28
[2016-12-21 03:55:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 9 @ 805.49
[2016-12-21 03:56:03] l3f : https://i.imgur.com/acAJSbz.jpg
[2016-12-21 03:57:48] aethlios : china still out of the pump, yuan premiums very low, okcoin future premiums very low.
[2016-12-21 03:58:09] aethlios : this is west buying from stamp finex kraken
[2016-12-21 03:58:21] immackay : aethlios: yup, looks like it
[2016-12-21 03:59:09] rapidtrades : aethlios: yeah...it came in that nice box with a pen
[2016-12-21 04:00:15] aethlios : also cards with name btc address? got verified level 3? after using a few days let us know your review.
[2016-12-21 04:00:52] rapidtrades : still not level 3....guess i should get on that
[2016-12-21 04:01:20] l3f : BitMEX_Wally: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-12-21 04:01:27] l3f : this page is not displaying for me
[2016-12-21 04:01:48] BitMEX_Wally : l3f: What are you seeing?
[2016-12-21 04:01:51] l3f : blank
[2016-12-21 04:01:55] l3f : just the side bar
[2016-12-21 04:02:01] jalapeno : me too
[2016-12-21 04:02:06] jalapeno : blank
[2016-12-21 04:02:07] rapidtrades : works fine here
[2016-12-21 04:02:12] l3f : rapidtrades: refresh?
[2016-12-21 04:02:16] l3f : clear cache?
[2016-12-21 04:02:19] rapidtrades : no thank u
[2016-12-21 04:02:49] l3f : BitMEX_Wally: no errors in dev console either
[2016-12-21 04:02:55] BitMEX_Wally : l3f: Try clearing browser storage here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/preferences
[2016-12-21 04:03:25] BitMEX_Wally : Ahh, you're on Safari?
[2016-12-21 04:03:30] l3f : BitMEX_Wally: no chromium
[2016-12-21 04:03:35] l3f : also it didn't help
[2016-12-21 04:04:25] immackay : aethlios: how does that card work for credit transactions?
[2016-12-21 04:04:37] BitMEX_Wally : l3f: We'll fix this
[2016-12-21 04:05:04] jalapeno : stj,, b,a]]]
[2016-12-21 04:05:13] Rado : is it happening?
[2016-12-21 04:05:16] jalapeno : tried, still blank for balances tab
[2016-12-21 04:05:24] jalapeno : every other tab loads though
[2016-12-21 04:05:26] l3f : BitMEX_Wally: ty https://i.imgur.com/PfbWOAR.png
[2016-12-21 04:05:30] l3f : screenshot for reference
[2016-12-21 04:05:34] l3f : Rado: hell yeah
[2016-12-21 04:06:10] aethlios : immackay: what do you mean credit transactions? as a normal visa debit card, but you load the card with btc.
[2016-12-21 04:06:26] l3f : Price pushed past upper channel
[2016-12-21 04:06:28] l3f : Normally I'd short here
[2016-12-21 04:06:30] l3f : but.....
[2016-12-21 04:06:57] aethlios : you can sell btc at what price you want because they have exchange in eurbtc pair and spend or withdraw cash from ATM
[2016-12-21 04:07:18] immackay : aethlios: I'm from canada so we split our transactions into debit(interac) and credit
[2016-12-21 04:07:39] immackay : so it works as expected in stores?
[2016-12-21 04:08:09] micmix : immackay: yes, works in all stores that I tried here in Canada. you use it as a regular credit card with a pin
[2016-12-21 04:08:37] aethlios : immackay: they don't have canadian dollar card, only in euro, usd, gbp. visa will make you pay 3% currency transaction fees if you use it.
[2016-12-21 04:09:45] micmix : USD/CAD conversion rate is actually better than you get from a local bank
[2016-12-21 04:10:07] Rado : which card is this?
[2016-12-21 04:10:08] immackay : is there a currency exchange rate on top of the transaction fees?
[2016-12-21 04:10:14] immackay : Rado: coinsbank card
[2016-12-21 04:11:02] micmix : it's all rolled into one USD charge (assuming card is in USD)
[2016-12-21 04:12:08] micmix : you will get more CAD for your coins if you sell on Quadriga but the card is super convenient. you have to pay for convinience
[2016-12-21 04:12:29] rapidtrades : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-11/boj-tapering-sees-bond-buying-slow-toward-70-trillion-yen
[2016-12-21 04:12:35] immackay : true that also as I'm planning on exiting the fiat world it's a nice option
[2016-12-21 04:14:11] rapidtrades : why would u exit the fiat world? there's so much stuff to trade
[2016-12-21 04:14:53] aethlios : my eth wallet syncs very slowly? normal? they can't fix that shit yet, I have 1stblood coins and want to send them in exchange.
[2016-12-21 04:15:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 21010 @ 806.11
[2016-12-21 04:16:05] rapidtrades : tbh I expected a much bigger pop on a break above $800
[2016-12-21 04:16:11] rapidtrades : this rally is doomed
[2016-12-21 04:16:28] immackay : rapidtrades: because I have basically no capital anyways
[2016-12-21 04:16:34] habibi : u expected to go down since like at least few weeks :(
[2016-12-21 04:16:58] rapidtrades : that would be accurate yes
[2016-12-21 04:17:02] arbitrage001 : good i have anal cream ready
[2016-12-21 04:17:08] elmorte : time to open more shorts then
[2016-12-21 04:17:17] habibi : but this time i agree with u, we may see some correction finally sooner than later
[2016-12-21 04:17:21] arbitrage001 : long wont hurt me much
[2016-12-21 04:17:30] arbitrage001 : small pump big dump
[2016-12-21 04:19:07] rapidtrades : because of the low vol ppl will have tight stops, so any move > $20-$30 could cascade into crash
[2016-12-21 04:19:27] arbitrage001 : the yield is still low
[2016-12-21 04:20:10] rapidtrades : okc weekly is still at discount
[2016-12-21 04:20:12] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/CJfiaHb6/
[2016-12-21 04:20:58] aethlios : this pump looks like the 220-500 pump. phase 1: slow rate pump, everyone shorts, then fast phase 2 pump everyone marfin called.
[2016-12-21 04:22:09] arbitrage001 : here we go
[2016-12-21 04:22:12] arbitrage001 : reversal
[2016-12-21 04:22:40] rms : are you still holding till you get liquidated at 830?
[2016-12-21 04:22:49] l3f : arbitrage001: you underestimate the amount of expert knife catchers here
[2016-12-21 04:23:28] rms : it's hard to spot a reversal on the one minute chart over the span of one minute
[2016-12-21 04:23:41] rms : a reversal would probably be a quick fall to 5600?
[2016-12-21 04:23:47] l3f : If it bounces on 802
[2016-12-21 04:23:53] l3f : then it's not coming back down
[2016-12-21 04:24:17] l3f : rapidlosses will have to learn to cut his losses more rapidly next time
[2016-12-21 04:25:18] javierstone : keep shortin bitches
[2016-12-21 04:25:29] l3f : it isn't really hard to make money in a bull market
[2016-12-21 04:25:34] ett1 : stubborntrades
[2016-12-21 04:25:36] l3f : buy & hold
[2016-12-21 04:26:07] arbitrage001 : i have 2 bots running now
[2016-12-21 04:26:17] l3f : arbitrage001: how much are you making off the spread?
[2016-12-21 04:26:21] l3f : Interested in some numbers
[2016-12-21 04:26:35] l3f : 1. how much spread? 2. how much are you making?
[2016-12-21 04:26:36] arbitrage001 : l3f: just a little, like a good MM
[2016-12-21 04:26:59] arbitrage001 : trending market is dangerous to MM
[2016-12-21 04:26:59] aethlios : l3f: a few will do that, most will start shorting 850, 900, 1000 and margin called 1100, then go long 1200 with what left of them and margin called at the correction to 950.
[2016-12-21 04:27:31] l3f : aethlios: I went long after seeing the net flow chart
[2016-12-21 04:27:51] l3f : seriously, big boyz were microbuying during the 790-800
[2016-12-21 04:28:05] l3f : and now it's all out pump
[2016-12-21 04:28:21] l3f : expect a few shakeouts on the way
[2016-12-21 04:28:25] aethlios : l3f: https://www.tradingview.com/x/CJfiaHb6/
[2016-12-21 04:28:35] l3f : ya I saw
[2016-12-21 04:28:49] l3f : I've been in the p&d business long enough to see one comping
[2016-12-21 04:29:04] aethlios : posted that, this slow up looks like the 220-500 pump, we are at the beginning of 240-250 analogously
[2016-12-21 04:31:05] rapidtrades : get ready for a 20% correction mofos!
[2016-12-21 04:31:20] rapidtrades : <$650
[2016-12-21 04:31:32] ett1 : i think a 20% rally >1000 is more likely
[2016-12-21 04:31:36] l3f : rapidtrades: brb, going to go have a wank
[2016-12-21 04:31:44] l3f : if it doesn't correct I'll come back and laugh
[2016-12-21 04:32:14] ett1 : become a trader, make money while you wank
[2016-12-21 04:32:17] l3f : BitMEX_Wally: pls fix the account page
[2016-12-21 04:32:27] l3f : I want to see my cash stack when I'm back
[2016-12-21 04:32:27] l3f : ty
[2016-12-21 04:33:17] aethlios : we will see 3month premium around 120 usd at the top of the pump.
[2016-12-21 04:34:39] aethlios : historically spread topping 15% of index, with spot 1000, 3month to 1120-1150.
[2016-12-21 04:34:44] BitMEX_Sam : l3f: This issue is fixed, please refresh
[2016-12-21 04:34:51] BitMEX_Sam : My apologies for the disruption
[2016-12-21 04:35:53] rapidtrades : 650 b4 850
[2016-12-21 04:36:14] l3f : BitMEX_Sam: cheers m80
[2016-12-21 04:38:59] javierstone : she keeps going
[2016-12-21 04:46:30] immackay : oh
[2016-12-21 04:46:53] javierstone : yessir
[2016-12-21 04:47:12] immackay : Ah, yup that's it
[2016-12-21 04:47:23] immackay : messages with a percent sign in them get filtered out it seems
[2016-12-21 04:47:27] immackay : for me at least
[2016-12-21 04:47:48] rapidtrades : are u su%re made?
[2016-12-21 04:48:02] rapidtrades : i meant m%8
[2016-12-21 04:48:24] immackay : yup
[2016-12-21 04:48:42] immackay : every message I send with a percent sign doesn't go to the chat
[2016-12-21 04:48:45] javierstone : gotchu u lil fucking snitch
[2016-12-21 04:50:56] rapidtrades : immackay: sounds like a pro%lem m8
[2016-12-21 04:51:07] immackay : aethlios: I was trying to ask, is the currency conversion fee on those cards capped at 3.5 percent, or is there additional fees from visa?
[2016-12-21 04:51:19] Rado : BTC-E lagging a lot
[2016-12-21 04:51:22] rapidtrades : i hope it's capped
[2016-12-21 04:51:31] immackay : me too
[2016-12-21 04:51:37] rapidtrades : Rado: mt4 is fine
[2016-12-21 04:51:39] immackay : think I might get one
[2016-12-21 04:52:29] Rado : rapidtrades: what is mt4 price?
[2016-12-21 04:52:42] rapidtrades : 788.69/789
[2016-12-21 04:53:04] aethlios : immackay: https://coinsbank.com/cards-details
[2016-12-21 04:53:31] rapidtrades : aethlios: how long did it take for u to get level 3?
[2016-12-21 04:54:28] aethlios : you can sell your btc for euro, usd or gbp. for that you pay 0.5% fee to coinsbank, then visa has the 3% fee conversion if you spend to a different currency. better ask them how the card will work in canada
[2016-12-21 04:54:39] aethlios : rapidtrades: 3 to 4 days, but fast.
[2016-12-21 04:56:18] rapidtrades : and at level 3 I have unlimited lifetime turnover, with two 1k withdrawals per day? or is that next level
[2016-12-21 05:01:03] aethlios : 6,730 btc open interest on swap, this must be higher than average of 5K right? someone will get burned if not hedged
[2016-12-21 05:01:51] aethlios : rapidtrades: yes you need level 3 for that and will have up to 20,000 POS daily
[2016-12-21 05:03:28] aethlios : Bitmex could we have a graph of open interest for btc pairs, will be interesting to watch.
[2016-12-21 05:05:08] immackay : lol at this dump and pump on bitfinex
[2016-12-21 05:05:28] rapidtrades : f*ck finex
[2016-12-21 05:05:35] aethlios : come on china get in the game.
[2016-12-21 05:06:55] l3f : aethlios: pray to sleger to move the price and the market
[2016-12-21 05:07:19] l3f : and to liquidate rapidcleaned once and for all :^)
[2016-12-21 05:07:38] aethlios : someone open a large short here, net or hedged can't say.
[2016-12-21 05:07:45] aethlios : in the swap i mean
[2016-12-21 05:08:02] l3f : It may move down tbqh
[2016-12-21 05:08:04] l3f : it's at the top of teh channel
[2016-12-21 05:08:16] l3f : but this is the ramp up
[2016-12-21 05:08:17] rapidtrades : i think I'll go back to bed, this is bullshit
[2016-12-21 05:09:07] immackay : rapidtrades: I think you might want to wait on that
[2016-12-21 05:09:24] rapidtrades : too late
[2016-12-21 05:09:37] l3f : rapidtrades: what's your entry?
[2016-12-21 05:09:49] l3f : 790?
[2016-12-21 05:10:10] l3f : but more importantly, what is your planned exit and stoploss?
[2016-12-21 05:17:40] zanza : 850 yet?
[2016-12-21 05:24:24] immackay : zanza: give it a day
[2016-12-21 05:37:03] Rado : arbitrage001: is your bot still running?
[2016-12-21 05:40:02] arbitrage001 : Rado: yes
[2016-12-21 05:40:10] arbitrage001 : 1 bot hit limit
[2016-12-21 05:40:29] arbitrage001 : running another with slight parameter change
[2016-12-21 05:41:16] Rado : arbitrage001: sold on teh way up?
[2016-12-21 05:41:23] arbitrage001 : yup
[2016-12-21 05:41:34] arbitrage001 : despite the pump, both bots are still profitable so far
[2016-12-21 05:41:44] Rado : cool
[2016-12-21 05:41:51] arbitrage001 : so bot intelligent is higher than my int
[2016-12-21 05:41:52] Rado : that's why you need skewing
[2016-12-21 05:42:05] Rado : I worked on it for a week to make it work
[2016-12-21 05:42:24] arbitrage001 : Rado: definately, skewing and limit
[2016-12-21 05:42:56] micmix : limit are for pussies, don't limit your bot potential
[2016-12-21 05:43:23] micmix : it should be limited 100x of your account balance
[2016-12-21 05:43:57] micmix : if it's liquidated just start again
[2016-12-21 05:45:50] Rado : micmix: hey
[2016-12-21 05:46:02] micmix : Rado: hallo
[2016-12-21 05:46:27] Rado : if another MM beats your bid/ask by 0.01 do you adjust or you stay with your calculations?
[2016-12-21 05:47:42] micmix : usually adjust if I can afford to improve the price
[2016-12-21 05:48:32] Rado : afford meaning still within your spread parameters?
[2016-12-21 05:52:24] lockhedge : i stopped racing against @micmix some weeks ago, i'm always quoting the highest bid/lowest ask possible now
[2016-12-21 05:52:24] arbitrage001 : micmix: you really use up to 100x leverage?
[2016-12-21 05:52:55] Rado : arbitrage001: it's cross
[2016-12-21 05:53:23] arbitrage001 : may be it make sense
[2016-12-21 05:53:30] Rado : lockhedge: then you have the smallest spread?
[2016-12-21 05:53:47] lockhedge : no, it depends
[2016-12-21 05:54:07] tb : how much account balance are your bots working with?
[2016-12-21 05:54:23] arbitrage001 : 2 btc each account
[2016-12-21 05:54:28] tb : 2 btc?
[2016-12-21 05:54:29] arbitrage001 : starting small,
[2016-12-21 05:54:38] tb : how about big mm people?
[2016-12-21 05:54:40] lockhedge : but elasticity of demand is relatively high because there are so many bots, so it makes sense to offer the best possible price
[2016-12-21 05:55:21] Rado : lockhedge: once you start getting filled you back out right?
[2016-12-21 05:56:34] Rado : so hard to test on the testnet
[2016-12-21 05:56:40] Rado : not realistic at all
[2016-12-21 05:56:49] Rado : need to run it live and then adjust
[2016-12-21 05:58:02] tb : i may write one too
[2016-12-21 05:58:17] immackay : arbitrage001: wrote your own bot?
[2016-12-21 05:58:17] tb : i actually work for a hft firm
[2016-12-21 05:58:28] l3f : I don't know why you people want to be mm
[2016-12-21 05:58:30] arbitrage001 : immackay: modified from sample bot
[2016-12-21 05:58:31] Rado : lockhedge: so you don't have a re list interval, but rather adjust all the time
[2016-12-21 05:58:34] l3f : way more profit buying and holding
[2016-12-21 05:58:38] arbitrage001 : hack togehter a bot
[2016-12-21 05:58:58] immackay : which sample bot?
[2016-12-21 05:58:59] l3f : you aren't a investment bank quant desk with shit tonnes of capital and just want 0.01 alpha
[2016-12-21 05:59:18] arbitrage001 : immackay: https://github.com/BitMEX/sample-market-maker
[2016-12-21 06:00:10] lockhedge : Rado: i currently post orders with 4000 size, normally 4 asks and bids (16000) are displayed on each side, i have a max position that is much higher than 16000, can't speak about limits...
[2016-12-21 06:00:33] l3f : lockhedge: what's your ROE?
[2016-12-21 06:00:53] arbitrage001 : lockhedge: you are a bold man. must be having a large capital
[2016-12-21 06:01:21] l3f : tbqh I'd hate to be an SE at an investment bank
[2016-12-21 06:01:35] lockhedge : my ROE is relatively high (around 1000%) because i started small, but scaling is a problem
[2016-12-21 06:01:57] l3f : lockhedge: any numbers if you don't mind telling?
[2016-12-21 06:02:09] l3f : I'm not going to run a bot
[2016-12-21 06:02:24] l3f : just curious
[2016-12-21 06:03:10] Rado : lockhedge: cool
[2016-12-21 06:03:24] l3f : lol bearstamp leading the charge
[2016-12-21 06:03:36] l3f : NOW that's funny
[2016-12-21 06:04:11] arbitrage001 : bitstamp has pick up volume
[2016-12-21 06:04:16] lockhedge : l3f: what numbers are you interested in?
[2016-12-21 06:04:39] l3f : How much in the account and how much are you making?
[2016-12-21 06:04:50] l3f : are we talking about 0.1 btc, 1 btc or 10 btc?
[2016-12-21 06:05:13] arbitrage001 : if he is quoting 16000k each side
[2016-12-21 06:05:22] arbitrage001 : he needs at least 50k capital
[2016-12-21 06:05:46] l3f : he's quoting 16k
[2016-12-21 06:05:51] arbitrage001 : yea
[2016-12-21 06:06:13] arbitrage001 : a small trend market will eat up more than 16k
[2016-12-21 06:06:56] l3f : it's probably volatile enough to work
[2016-12-21 06:07:17] tb : is there somewhere where i can get historical feed?
[2016-12-21 06:07:30] tb : i'd be more interested in writing a bot if i could get some old feed to look at
[2016-12-21 06:07:36] l3f : tb: use their api
[2016-12-21 06:07:54] l3f : https://github.com/BitMEX/easy-data-scripts
[2016-12-21 06:07:56] l3f : also that
[2016-12-21 06:08:29] tb : i should probably do this
[2016-12-21 06:08:35] tb : otherwise im going to waste my vacation
[2016-12-21 06:09:55] immackay : why is bitstamp so high right now
[2016-12-21 06:10:00] tb : is there something that isn't websocket or rest?
[2016-12-21 06:10:06] tb : like a binary feed/order protocol?
[2016-12-21 06:10:09] tb : or fix?
[2016-12-21 06:10:44] l3f : immackay: euphoria
[2016-12-21 06:13:09] immackay : l3f: today makes little sense
[2016-12-21 06:13:14] immackay : but i'm not complaining
[2016-12-21 06:16:10] lockhedge : arbitrage001: i'm adjusting prices/order size, so i'm actually never sold out on one side. maximum position is higher than 16k and margin less than 50k
[2016-12-21 06:22:03] Rado : arbitrage001: what do you mean by 50k capital?
[2016-12-21 06:24:34] Rado : 16k contracts will cost you just 0.23 XBT
[2016-12-21 06:24:58] Rado : with your 2 BTC you can trade 16k contracts as well
[2016-12-21 06:25:18] Rado : of course the risk is bigger of liquidation
[2016-12-21 06:30:20] TB : 32K contracts
[2016-12-21 06:30:24] TB : 16 a side
[2016-12-21 06:32:02] l3f : Rado: but he has to cover as well
[2016-12-21 06:32:33] Rado : TB: you can't be short and long at the same time
[2016-12-21 06:33:33] Rado : l3f: cover?
[2016-12-21 06:34:23] l3f : If somebody buys into his X btc future, he'll need buy X btc in the swap
[2016-12-21 06:34:39] Rado : l3f: no he doesn't
[2016-12-21 06:34:48] l3f : he has to hedge
[2016-12-21 06:34:52] Rado : nope
[2016-12-21 06:34:58] Rado : some people do
[2016-12-21 06:35:05] Rado : but most don't
[2016-12-21 06:35:20] Rado : the strategy is designed so you don't build a large position
[2016-12-21 06:35:33] Rado : you constantly buy and sell
[2016-12-21 06:35:40] Rado : make the market :-)
[2016-12-21 06:38:15] lockhedge : correct :)
[2016-12-21 06:41:51] aethlios : china very bearish, okcoin weekly in discount
[2016-12-21 06:43:37] Gomezpl : btc are you kidding me:/
[2016-12-21 06:48:33] zanza : anyone get ADL'd ?
[2016-12-21 06:48:39] zanza : there was 150k liq
[2016-12-21 06:49:43] lockhedge : there was no ADL on XBTUSD
[2016-12-21 06:50:18] zanza : nice
[2016-12-21 06:50:35] zanza : seems like premium is very low for such a price increase?
[2016-12-21 06:51:02] lockhedge : why did the insurance fund went from 67 to 147 btc within one day in November?
[2016-12-21 06:52:55] l3f : china
[2016-12-21 06:52:59] l3f : china did that
[2016-12-21 06:53:10] l3f : they went up 5% in 3 second, then went down 5%
[2016-12-21 06:53:23] l3f : longs got #rekt, shorts got #rekt
[2016-12-21 06:53:28] l3f : liquidations everywhere
[2016-12-21 06:53:41] immackay : china is the bane of everyone's existance
[2016-12-21 06:53:48] l3f : immackay: I love china
[2016-12-21 06:54:34] immackay : l3f: me too, they keep it interesting and add volume
[2016-12-21 06:54:40] immackay : but they're a fickle lover
[2016-12-21 07:02:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTZ16`: buy 421 @ 809.84
[2016-12-21 07:02:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCZ16`: buy 12620 @ 5694.3
[2016-12-21 07:07:30] immackay : there goes rapidtrades
[2016-12-21 07:08:30] ett1 : choo choo
[2016-12-21 07:16:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 400 @ 0.004540
[2016-12-21 07:19:39] j8 : lockhedge: that was the massive liquidation on ZECZ16, which did actually fill. so yeah, that insurance fund is mostly for ZEC :)
[2016-12-21 07:20:40] j8 : until they delist zec and keep it :(
[2016-12-21 07:27:57] l3f : immackay: btc's going to tear him a new butthole
[2016-12-21 07:29:52] immackay : l3f: he's not gonna be happy when he wakes up
[2016-12-21 07:30:01] l3f : oh it might crash
[2016-12-21 07:30:08] l3f : but it'll gape him for a bit
[2016-12-21 07:31:51] l3f : I'm seeing bitcoin shilled across about 1/3 of my sources
[2016-12-21 07:31:53] l3f : news wise
[2016-12-21 07:32:02] l3f : once it hits mainstream then the real pump is on
[2016-12-21 07:32:04] micmix : j8: btw, good question, what happens to the insurance fund after the contract expires?
[2016-12-21 07:32:27] l3f : once it hits https://news.ycombinator.com/
[2016-12-21 07:32:29] j8 : it's never been mentioned as far as i'm aware
[2016-12-21 07:32:35] l3f : is when you know things are about to happen
[2016-12-21 07:33:09] l3f : for the record, rapidtrades likes the pain, it builds character
[2016-12-21 07:40:40] j8 : i guess we might as well take this opportunity to remind bitmex that transparency matters... still waiting on that detailed insurance fund breakdown which has been "in the works" for many months. @BitMEX_Sam @BitMEX_Wally
[2016-12-21 07:49:09] l3f : horry shit it broke out of the channel
[2016-12-21 07:54:18] l3f : rapidpains is going to be so fucked
[2016-12-21 08:01:36] Rado : l3f: why?
[2016-12-21 08:01:45] l3f : Rado: he's shorting btc
[2016-12-21 08:01:47] Rado : is rapidtrades short?
[2016-12-21 08:01:57] l3f : you don't call him rapidlosses for nothing
[2016-12-21 08:02:14] Rado : don't trust what he is saying
[2016-12-21 08:02:26] l3f : oh I don't really care either way
[2016-12-21 08:02:30] l3f : it's all a game of pretend
[2016-12-21 08:02:43] l3f : if he's actually secretly long good for him
[2016-12-21 08:04:00] j8 : he would say "wtf is with this manipulated market"
[2016-12-21 08:04:18] l3f : hehehe
[2016-12-21 08:04:27] j8 : pretty sure he's said it every day for a week or two
[2016-12-21 08:05:22] j8 : and i'm secretly starting to agree
[2016-12-21 08:06:07] DangerandPlay : bitcoin about to go to the moon.... hate to profit from other people's misery but it's interesting the positive effect on bitcoin price when shit hits the fan around the world
[2016-12-21 08:06:11] immackay : j8: yeeeeeah
[2016-12-21 08:06:47] l3f : worst case, he loses his anal virginity
[2016-12-21 08:06:52] DangerandPlay : all we need is the complete breakdown of society and everything we have ever loved, known and cared for and bitcoin will be rocking it.
[2016-12-21 08:06:56] l3f : best case, he makes stacks of cash for his rapidwives
[2016-12-21 08:07:05] l3f : but the worst case isn't that bad
[2016-12-21 08:07:34] l3f : pretty sure he's already lost it though
[2016-12-21 08:08:13] immackay : I kind of expect he's got margin until 820 or so
[2016-12-21 08:09:08] l3f : well our friend anonymousXXX
[2016-12-21 08:09:10] l3f : 's probably dead
[2016-12-21 08:09:13] l3f : or liquidated
[2016-12-21 08:09:22] l3f : let me rephrase that
[2016-12-21 08:09:57] l3f : "our friend anonymous798's probably already dead, or worse, liquidated"
[2016-12-21 08:11:56] immackay : seriously, what the hell is going on today though
[2016-12-21 08:12:27] immackay : since when does china take a back seat to the movement
[2016-12-21 08:12:59] j8 : china and futures still not buying it. which either means it's not gonna happen, or it's gonna be extra violent when it does
[2016-12-21 08:13:38] l3f : j8: gox led the last pump
[2016-12-21 08:13:40] l3f : stamp will lead this one
[2016-12-21 08:14:19] l3f : chinese whales may not yet be ready
[2016-12-21 08:14:22] l3f : they still buying in
[2016-12-21 08:14:23] micmix : it's not a real pump until okc turn on their pump bot
[2016-12-21 08:14:42] l3f : Look at the CVI and net volume
[2016-12-21 08:14:45] l3f : intense buying
[2016-12-21 08:14:47] l3f : for the last week
[2016-12-21 08:14:51] l3f : but little price movement
[2016-12-21 08:14:59] l3f : this people buying in
[2016-12-21 08:15:30] l3f : micmix: I like how nobody's posting in the chinese chat except REKT
[2016-12-21 08:15:49] micmix : yeah, it's sad...
[2016-12-21 08:21:19] rapidtrades : who's ready for the 20% ride?
[2016-12-21 08:21:25] rapidtrades : cheap tickets rn
[2016-12-21 08:41:13] immackay : rapidtrades: 20 percent which way?
[2016-12-21 08:43:07] Rado : hey micmix
[2016-12-21 08:51:47] ett1 : immackay: in the way which the trend goes
[2016-12-21 08:52:28] ett1 : rapidtrades: did i disprove EMH yet
[2016-12-21 09:21:40] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/55IZgW4t/
[2016-12-21 09:22:05] aethlios : china doesn't buy, yuan btc spread in usd went down during pump.
[2016-12-21 09:22:55] aethlios : this is west buying
[2016-12-21 09:23:31] aethlios : and since west means stamp finex kraken is a non margin cash slow buying.
[2016-12-21 10:07:16] rapidtrades : west buying = bitfinex ponzi going wild
[2016-12-21 10:07:29] rapidtrades : it would explain the slow no volume rally
[2016-12-21 10:21:40] Turbo : if thats the case, wouldnt it mean there would be much less of a pull back too?
[2016-12-21 10:42:41] KingTuna : I hate sleeping in bitcorn... Wha to do lol
[2016-12-21 10:43:03] KingTuna : Not so easy to set stop losses here with little liquidity
[2016-12-21 10:43:14] KingTuna : Even though I do love this site
[2016-12-21 10:43:55] immackay : KingTuna: sleep is for the weak
[2016-12-21 10:45:48] KingTuna : haha yeah @immackay I should become Trump
[2016-12-21 10:46:15] immackay : I hear cocaine works wonders
[2016-12-21 10:46:24] immackay : but seriously idk
[2016-12-21 10:46:33] immackay : considering just staying up for the next day
[2016-12-21 10:46:37] KingTuna : hehe ... Now to get to the Darkweb
[2016-12-21 10:47:13] immackay : but I'm hoping it holds for the next 5 hours
[2016-12-21 10:47:15] immackay : cause i'm outta here
[2016-12-21 10:47:38] immackay : watch me say goodnight to all my profit
[2016-12-21 10:48:37] KingTuna : Who knows what the Chinese have in store for us
[2016-12-21 10:50:08] immackay : exactly
[2016-12-21 10:52:38] elmorte : so...USD march is selling below CNY march. We super bullish on the yuan or what?
[2016-12-21 11:06:07] l3f : No, we lead the pump
[2016-12-21 11:06:13] l3f : like gox lead the the pump last time
[2016-12-21 11:06:16] l3f : The Chinese follow
[2016-12-21 11:06:46] immackay : l3f: seems like the pump is stalling atm
[2016-12-21 11:07:02] anonymous789 : looks good to me
[2016-12-21 11:07:37] KingTuna : Used to be $100 ups and $50 down swings during Gox days
[2016-12-21 11:07:58] anonymous789 : KingTuna: less liquidity then
[2016-12-21 11:08:04] immackay : KingTuna: I wish we had that volatility
[2016-12-21 11:08:07] KingTuna : Very true
[2016-12-21 11:08:33] anonymous789 : this actually looks healthy to me
[2016-12-21 11:08:41] KingTuna : Curiously, BTC-e (once very active)... Why is their BTC price much lower than other exchanges always?
[2016-12-21 11:08:53] anonymous789 : if it goes up by like 100 dollars in one day, then i'd be looking to sell, cause that's when it usually dumps soon after
[2016-12-21 11:09:57] anonymous789 : if you look at all of bitcoin's previous bull runs, they literally step like this the whole way
[2016-12-21 11:10:09] anonymous789 : almost always
[2016-12-21 11:12:26] l3f : immackay: retrace is good
[2016-12-21 11:12:34] l3f : now is the time to buy back in
[2016-12-21 11:12:36] l3f : don't be stupid
[2016-12-21 11:13:18] anonymous789 : yeah we just broke all resistance levels
[2016-12-21 11:13:30] l3f : It's a breakout over the upper channel
[2016-12-21 11:13:33] l3f : we'll bounce on 802 max
[2016-12-21 11:13:36] l3f : anonymous789: still alive?
[2016-12-21 11:13:52] anonymous789 : not really, lost a major amount of my equity
[2016-12-21 11:13:55] anonymous789 : like 60%
[2016-12-21 11:13:57] KingTuna : Damn should have closed my very profitable short on ETC like 6 hours ago! Whales on poloinex trying to hold it up with big league walls lol
[2016-12-21 11:13:59] anonymous789 : but gone bull now
[2016-12-21 11:14:30] l3f : anonymous789: now would be a good time to invest into stop losses and proper position sizing
[2016-12-21 11:14:47] l3f : risk only 2% of your account per trade
[2016-12-21 11:14:52] anonymous789 : i never use a significant amount anyway, i've only been trading with like 1 bitcoin lol
[2016-12-21 11:15:08] l3f : ah well
[2016-12-21 11:15:36] anonymous789 : that's probably part of my problem, maybe if i traded with a bigger account i'd use a much less amount of my balance lol
[2016-12-21 11:18:03] l3f : well you'd always sleep better knowing you have a stop loss there's to catch you
[2016-12-21 11:18:51] anonymous789 : according to my strategy though, it was risky but it needed to break that 790 for me to close my short
[2016-12-21 11:19:02] anonymous789 : which it did...
[2016-12-21 11:19:08] anonymous789 : so i closed and got pwned
[2016-12-21 11:19:10] anonymous789 : lol
[2016-12-21 11:21:32] l3f : anonymous789: you should really start at http://www.babypips.com/
[2016-12-21 11:21:33] l3f : then come back
[2016-12-21 11:21:41] l3f : and you'll see the world completely differently
[2016-12-21 11:22:06] anonymous789 : haha stop patronising me
[2016-12-21 11:22:13] l3f : I am not, serious
[2016-12-21 11:22:21] breadfan : thats actually a cool website
[2016-12-21 11:22:22] l3f : I started on that site
[2016-12-21 11:22:37] l3f : anonymous789: sorry if I came off as patronising
[2016-12-21 11:22:54] l3f : http://www.babypips.com/school
[2016-12-21 11:23:10] anonymous789 : i already know how to trade, i just don't have much capital so i leverage quite high and that's my problem
[2016-12-21 11:23:15] anonymous789 : i just should use more capital
[2016-12-21 11:23:28] anonymous789 : and leverage lower
[2016-12-21 11:23:35] anonymous789 : then iw ouldn't be scared of using stops
[2016-12-21 11:24:06] l3f : that's not the point, you can't risk so much with high leverage and no stops. One mistake you'll lose half of your account and it's over
[2016-12-21 11:24:27] anonymous789 : yup
[2016-12-21 11:24:51] l3f : http://www.babypips.com/school/undergraduate/senior-year/position-sizing/the-importance-of-correct-position-sizes.html
[2016-12-21 11:24:53] l3f : please read it
[2016-12-21 11:24:54] anonymous789 : i'm actually correct on about 80% of my trades unfortunately those 20% are usually big losses