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[2016-12-19 00:05:22] Coconuter : 2010
[2016-12-19 00:05:25] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-19 00:05:25] sleger : mustang ok, camaro is like the non-corvette car
[2016-12-19 00:05:45] Coconuter : yeah ill decide it this week
[2016-12-19 00:05:49] Coconuter : need to build credit
[2016-12-19 00:05:56] Coconuter : in this new matrix
[2016-12-19 00:06:13] sleger : dude you cant build credit in a week
[2016-12-19 00:06:33] sleger : you cant have a social number so cant have a credit card i think
[2016-12-19 00:06:43] sleger : (i went to school here a while ago)
[2016-12-19 00:06:56] Coconuter : i have itin
[2016-12-19 00:07:06] Coconuter : i got a credit card
[2016-12-19 00:07:13] Coconuter : just need to spend and buy stuff and pay now
[2016-12-19 00:07:22] Coconuter : and will not buy the car on cash
[2016-12-19 00:07:31] Coconuter : need to pay 75%
[2016-12-19 00:07:35] Coconuter : and finance the rest
[2016-12-19 00:07:40] Coconuter : in 3 months i have good credit score
[2016-12-19 00:08:15] Coconuter : i was here last year i knew this shit i would had got the credit card last year
[2016-12-19 00:08:20] Coconuter : and already had good credit
[2016-12-19 00:08:26] Coconuter : but, living and learning
[2016-12-19 00:08:52] Coconuter : a startup
[2016-12-19 00:08:58] Coconuter : for `international credit score`
[2016-12-19 00:09:06] Coconuter : would pump
[2016-12-19 00:09:39] Coconuter : but only when Bitcoin becomes the world currency
[2016-12-19 00:09:57] Coconuter : different fiat money wouldnt allow this to work in this timeline
[2016-12-19 00:09:59] sleger : how could you get a credit card with no social number ?
[2016-12-19 00:10:07] Coconuter : i have itin number
[2016-12-19 00:10:12] Coconuter : its a social for non resident
[2016-12-19 00:10:27] sleger : oh thats what you meant by itin, didnt know that
[2016-12-19 00:10:45] sleger : Individual Taxpayer Identification Number
[2016-12-19 00:10:50] Coconuter : yep
[2016-12-19 00:10:56] Coconuter : had to get that to open my LLC last year
[2016-12-19 00:11:15] sleger : didnt know about that, maybe didnt exist at the time
[2016-12-19 00:12:02] sleger : well, I hope the dream comes true
[2016-12-19 00:12:14] Coconuter : theyre are
[2016-12-19 00:12:21] sleger : i dont know if a car is the first thing i would buy in your case
[2016-12-19 00:12:30] Coconuter : lol what would you buy
[2016-12-19 00:12:50] Coconuter : each drive here is 10-15miles one way
[2016-12-19 00:13:02] Coconuter : uber is 15-20U$ each way some times
[2016-12-19 00:13:17] Coconuter : so 30-50U$ a day of uber is better to buy a car
[2016-12-19 00:13:29] sleger : lease takeover
[2016-12-19 00:13:42] Coconuter : i cant lease since i dont have credit score yet
[2016-12-19 00:13:55] Coconuter : i msg some expat leasing companies
[2016-12-19 00:14:06] Coconuter : but dont know if it will work
[2016-12-19 00:15:04] sleger : long term rental from rental companies ?
[2016-12-19 00:15:12] Coconuter : too expensive
[2016-12-19 00:15:19] Coconuter : better to give 50-57 percent entry
[2016-12-19 00:15:22] Coconuter : and finance the rest
[2016-12-19 00:15:29] Coconuter : even finance is hard
[2016-12-19 00:15:37] Coconuter : without credit score its 18-25% a year
[2016-12-19 00:15:40] Coconuter : of tax
[2016-12-19 00:15:45] Coconuter : rates
[2016-12-19 00:15:49] Coconuter : crazy
[2016-12-19 00:16:00] Coconuter : but to feed the bank to give me a good credit score i will finance a part
[2016-12-19 00:16:06] Coconuter : and pay it full in 3-5 months
[2016-12-19 00:16:33] sleger : you dont need to pay interest to earn the score
[2016-12-19 00:16:42] sleger : you can pay in full every month it works the same way
[2016-12-19 00:17:02] Coconuter : well but if i pay full in 1 month i pay the entire car
[2016-12-19 00:17:12] sleger : i meant for the car
[2016-12-19 00:17:14] Coconuter : so it will be financed in 50% first payment
[2016-12-19 00:17:16] sleger : sorry the cards
[2016-12-19 00:17:24] Coconuter : oh the credit card
[2016-12-19 00:17:25] Coconuter : yes
[2016-12-19 00:17:33] Coconuter : but if i finance the car i get score faster
[2016-12-19 00:17:50] Coconuter : so im financing for 3-5 months
[2016-12-19 00:17:54] Coconuter : just to make them happy
[2016-12-19 00:18:20] sleger : got you
[2016-12-19 00:18:48] Coconuter : mustang here i come
[2016-12-19 00:18:52] Coconuter : going out for some beers now
[2016-12-19 00:18:57] Coconuter : PUMP THAT MOFO sleger
[2016-12-19 00:19:03] Coconuter : 900U$ when i come back...
[2016-12-19 00:19:07] Coconuter : thank you
[2016-12-19 00:19:14] sleger : 78 degrees there nice
[2016-12-19 00:19:22] sleger : enjoy FL !
[2016-12-19 00:19:27] Coconuter : tchau
[2016-12-19 00:51:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: buy 15000 @ 0.001421
[2016-12-19 01:02:15] j8 : who's ready to make new highs by 50 cny and then consolidate for 2 days
[2016-12-19 01:03:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 10000 @ 788.70
[2016-12-19 01:06:01] sleger : me me me
[2016-12-19 01:07:59] arbitrage001 : good morning
[2016-12-19 01:08:12] j8 : seriously though, this shits gotta pop eventually
[2016-12-19 01:08:14] arbitrage001 : price action is total bullcrap here
[2016-12-19 01:09:47] arbitrage001 : at least my bot able to close position at profit
[2016-12-19 01:09:51] arbitrage001 : weee
[2016-12-19 01:10:23] aethlios : how many females do you believe trade here in bitmex (as % in total)? if any exist answer to the chat.
[2016-12-19 01:10:55] arbitrage001 : aethlios: less than 5
[2016-12-19 01:11:03] arbitrage001 : count not %
[2016-12-19 01:11:11] j8 : definitely more guys that pretend to be girls online
[2016-12-19 01:11:22] j8 : not that theres anything wrong with that
[2016-12-19 01:11:29] arbitrage001 : yeah
[2016-12-19 01:11:39] arbitrage001 : women should do their role
[2016-12-19 01:11:57] arbitrage001 : fulfill the breeding function
[2016-12-19 01:12:07] j8 : heh that's not really what i was saying, but ok
[2016-12-19 01:12:12] sleger : Adriana and Angela as far as I know
[2016-12-19 01:12:15] sleger : both are mine
[2016-12-19 01:12:25] sleger : if there is any other i'd like to knpw
[2016-12-19 01:12:27] sleger : know
[2016-12-19 01:14:09] imabeast : short etc yall
[2016-12-19 01:14:29] arbitrage001 : imabeast: short eth better
[2016-12-19 01:14:34] arbitrage001 : it is going to zero
[2016-12-19 01:14:42] arbitrage001 : or close to it
[2016-12-19 01:15:51] arbitrage001 : xmr good short also
[2016-12-19 01:17:23] j8 : i would love to see etc overtake eth, as an outsider with no stake in either. would be great to watch
[2016-12-19 01:17:48] arbitrage001 : j8: might actually happen
[2016-12-19 01:18:02] arbitrage001 : china man makes the rules in crypto
[2016-12-19 01:24:43] sleger : arbitrage001: glad you're saying that
[2016-12-19 01:24:47] sleger : im more condient in my eth now
[2016-12-19 01:26:23] j8 : how was it decided that the chain that forked got to keep the ETH symbol? it's kind of a big deal going forward especially for crypto derivatives. it's not like leveraged ETH positions were duplicated, although physical coins were
[2016-12-19 01:27:35] j8 : maybe i'm wrong about the last part, at least on bitmex they weren't
[2016-12-19 01:28:16] thiago : physical coins???????
[2016-12-19 01:29:39] j8 : yeah "physical" in the sense that they're actual blockchain tokens, not derivatives
[2016-12-19 01:30:56] j8 : like physical gold vs. paper gold
[2016-12-19 01:41:06] j8 : paper gold???????
[2016-12-19 01:41:55] mjones : china finally add ETC?
[2016-12-19 01:42:21] startChat : ETC new silver to BTC gold?
[2016-12-19 01:47:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1230 @ 789.82
[2016-12-19 01:50:15] Rado : sup j8
[2016-12-19 01:51:02] Rado : finally was able to work on the MM bot
[2016-12-19 01:51:36] Rado : added skew and tuning the best settings
[2016-12-19 01:51:47] Rado : pretty hard to tune them on testnet though
[2016-12-19 01:51:53] Rado : might need to start running it live
[2016-12-19 01:51:57] j8 : nice, i'm planning a pretty major rewrite of my bot infrastructure
[2016-12-19 01:52:21] Rado : cool
[2016-12-19 01:52:42] j8 : you could start running very small. use a separate account with not much funds
[2016-12-19 01:52:53] Rado : that is what I was thinking
[2016-12-19 01:54:03] Rado : will ping you when it's live to see if you can notice any weakness
[2016-12-19 01:54:58] Rado : what are the news on ETC?
[2016-12-19 01:55:08] j8 : right on. are you using any external prices or just data from bitmex?
[2016-12-19 01:57:37] Rado : just from bitmex
[2016-12-19 02:03:55] Rado : XBTZ16 is much better than buying swap right now
[2016-12-19 02:04:08] Rado : only $3 premium and don't need to worry about funding
[2016-12-19 02:06:04] j8 : futures are not bullish at all.
[2016-12-19 02:06:45] Rado : j8: do you know if transferring fund between bitmex accounts still goes trough the normal wait time and the BTC network
[2016-12-19 02:07:06] j8 : yeah, there's no internal transfers that i'm aware of
[2016-12-19 02:07:13] KingTuna : Why are people saying $1600 BTC... Absolutely absurd :P
[2016-12-19 02:07:19] KingTuna : :P
[2016-12-19 02:07:21] KingTuna : :D
[2016-12-19 02:07:29] Rado : KingTuna: why is it absurd?
[2016-12-19 02:07:46] KingTuna : Coz it is isn't February 2017 yet
[2016-12-19 02:07:55] KingTuna : That's the date it will happen ;)
[2016-12-19 02:08:22] Rado : you have a cristall ball?
[2016-12-19 02:09:03] j8 : anyone hoping for $1600 btc can probably wait until february
[2016-12-19 02:09:07] mjones : i have a magic 8 ball
[2016-12-19 02:09:26] startChat : and it says 4k
[2016-12-19 02:11:07] mjones : etc heading back up
[2016-12-19 02:11:12] mjones : china adding it today i guess
[2016-12-19 02:11:49] Rado : mjones: do you have a link? or just speculation for now
[2016-12-19 02:12:01] mjones : they said they'd add it over a month ago
[2016-12-19 02:12:05] mjones : so it must be close
[2016-12-19 02:12:11] mjones : i dont think whales would just randomly pump etc
[2016-12-19 02:12:51] j8 : what does "china adding it" mean
[2016-12-19 02:13:11] mjones : an exchanged based in China is adding ETC over ETH
[2016-12-19 02:13:25] mjones : a group in China also is behind ETCWIN
[2016-12-19 02:14:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 10 @ 0.009720
[2016-12-19 02:14:59] mjones : i dont really wanna FOMO long the top but i dont wanna miss out if this pumps 50% randomly
[2016-12-19 02:17:01] Rado : mjones: then the only choice you have is to buy and set a tight stop
[2016-12-19 02:17:08] Rado : I guess buy on a small pullback
[2016-12-19 02:20:14] KingTuna : I've been setting a trailing $15 stop loss - Sound strategy? I have a fair few BTC though, so may dump it lower - Limit and stop
[2016-12-19 02:23:44] mjones : Xmr dumping a bit
[2016-12-19 02:40:38] XXXX : whats the ICO price of ETCWIN?
[2016-12-19 02:46:18] arbitrage001 : back from jogging
[2016-12-19 02:46:32] arbitrage001 : j8: any tips for new bot runner?
[2016-12-19 02:47:04] arbitrage001 : as in 2k btc volume everyday
[2016-12-19 02:47:19] arbitrage001 : or more
[2016-12-19 02:55:40] j8 : tips, i dunno, that's pretty vague
[2016-12-19 03:02:30] arbitrage001 : j8: how do you control risk
[2016-12-19 03:05:46] j8 : there are many different risks, first identify them
[2016-12-19 03:07:32] j8 : aside from price risk, there's exchange downtime, bad data, ADL...
[2016-12-19 03:07:57] j8 : coding errors, edge cases you didn't think of, etc
[2016-12-19 03:09:55] j8 : at best you will have a small edge on average, and any of these things could destroy many weeks of profits
[2016-12-19 03:10:01] rapidtrades : there was some pretty stupid discussion between Coconut and sleger earlier
[2016-12-19 03:10:18] rapidtrades : I just wanted to point that out
[2016-12-19 03:10:34] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: dude, just let it go
[2016-12-19 03:11:22] rapidtrades : I can't, it wasn't up to par
[2016-12-19 03:11:42] rapidtrades : this chat deserves a certain level of discourse
[2016-12-19 03:12:32] arbitrage001 : j8: all your bots operate on small edges?
[2016-12-19 03:13:33] j8 : i'm just assuming you don't have a large edge, so at best it's small positive
[2016-12-19 03:14:00] arbitrage001 : j8: market is usually efficient most of the time
[2016-12-19 03:14:17] arbitrage001 : so, have to assume, little to no edge most of the times
[2016-12-19 03:14:21] j8 : then why bother?
[2016-12-19 03:14:25] suriah : do you guys run bots on any regional exchanges ?
[2016-12-19 03:14:48] arbitrage001 : j8: there are still small spread to be captured
[2016-12-19 03:14:56] j8 : that's the edge though
[2016-12-19 03:15:07] j8 : spread and rebates
[2016-12-19 03:15:08] arbitrage001 : j8: i see
[2016-12-19 03:15:38] j8 : vs. sweep risk
[2016-12-19 03:15:52] arbitrage001 : j8: to limit risk, all bots should be price directionalless?
[2016-12-19 03:16:09] arbitrage001 : price neutral i mean
[2016-12-19 03:16:26] j8 : not necessarily, there are trend following bot strategies too
[2016-12-19 03:17:46] j8 : but if you're planning a neutral strategy you should have measures in place to make sure it's neutral
[2016-12-19 03:19:14] j8 : if you're just trying to capture spread then you'll probably tolerate some delta for short periods or small % moves
[2016-12-19 03:20:35] arbitrage001 : j8: i see
[2016-12-19 03:20:37] j8 : just know that betting on mean reversion is effectively selling volatility
[2016-12-19 03:21:20] arbitrage001 : j8: so, only do it when volatility or premium is high ?
[2016-12-19 03:21:32] arbitrage001 : from the sell side
[2016-12-19 03:22:25] arbitrage001 : to reduce risk that is
[2016-12-19 03:22:26] j8 : volatility also correlates with recent volatility, it doesn't come out of nowhere
[2016-12-19 03:22:43] sleger : j8: you arguing with dumy 101 ?
[2016-12-19 03:23:00] j8 : i don't think we're arguing at all
[2016-12-19 03:23:01] arbitrage001 : sleger: we are not arguing
[2016-12-19 03:23:07] arbitrage001 : he is giving me tips
[2016-12-19 03:23:30] sleger : j8: you teaching him arbitrage 101 ?
[2016-12-19 03:23:40] j8 : heh
[2016-12-19 03:24:18] arbitrage001 : sleger: can you loan me 100 btc to run my bot
[2016-12-19 03:24:28] arbitrage001 : will split 50% profit
[2016-12-19 03:24:35] arbitrage001 : if my bot make profit
[2016-12-19 03:25:27] suriah : im using hidden orders and there is a bot frontrunning everytime I update. how?
[2016-12-19 03:25:44] sleger : arbitrage001: i dont see what my upside is ?
[2016-12-19 03:25:52] arbitrage001 : suriah: try to use 1 contract to see how far the bot will follow
[2016-12-19 03:26:00] sleger : if I want to just lose coins, I can send them to an address I dont own
[2016-12-19 03:26:02] arbitrage001 : sleger: 50% of profit
[2016-12-19 03:26:16] suriah : how is it possible he can see my orders
[2016-12-19 03:26:19] arbitrage001 : sleger: yeah, you can also do that
[2016-12-19 03:26:29] sleger : suriah: he is bitmex bot
[2016-12-19 03:26:34] sleger : he is omniscient
[2016-12-19 03:26:54] suriah : now its using another bot to make it look like they are outbidding. wow.
[2016-12-19 03:27:05] j8 : paranoid
[2016-12-19 03:27:22] suriah : I think I am
[2016-12-19 03:27:23] sleger : suriah: what did you smoke ?
[2016-12-19 03:27:24] arbitrage001 : sleger: donation accepted here:
[2016-12-19 03:27:40] suriah : sleger: unicorn milk
[2016-12-19 03:27:40] arbitrage001 : 16nyXpAieKqHFz6NW9kDYdXs2gmW5BBm96
[2016-12-19 03:27:42] sleger : arbitrage001: ask j8
[2016-12-19 03:27:48] sleger : he feels generous
[2016-12-19 03:27:53] sleger : i mean he was talking to you
[2016-12-19 03:27:55] arbitrage001 : j8 isn't as rich as you are
[2016-12-19 03:28:13] sleger : but i'm not nice
[2016-12-19 03:28:18] j8 : i'm taking investments for my own bot actually
[2016-12-19 03:28:21] arbitrage001 : you can change
[2016-12-19 03:28:24] immackay : j8: where can I find more information on bots? I don't yet have the knowledge to code my own
[2016-12-19 03:28:28] sleger : j8: are you ?
[2016-12-19 03:28:34] suriah : if you guys want to run a bot dont waste time competing here, hit a regional exchange and own it
[2016-12-19 03:28:34] j8 : feel free to send: 16nyXpAieKqHFz6NW9kDYdXs2gmW5BBm96
[2016-12-19 03:28:41] arbitrage001 : j8: what proposal you have
[2016-12-19 03:30:02] rapidtrades : have u tried smaller exchanges or running the MM bots on alts? should be easier yes?
[2016-12-19 03:30:06] sleger : j8: are you serious ?
[2016-12-19 03:30:41] sleger : rapidtrades: alts is just polo, different business. It's also how much you consider your capital at risk
[2016-12-19 03:30:48] j8 : no it's not even my address :P
[2016-12-19 03:31:00] arbitrage001 : my wallet
[2016-12-19 03:31:09] suriah : 100btc sent
[2016-12-19 03:31:09] rapidtrades : sleger: ah i see ur point
[2016-12-19 03:31:21] sleger : j8: not talking about address, but if you'd be looking at a share deal
[2016-12-19 03:31:58] arbitrage001 : how well do bot scale here in term of volume
[2016-12-19 03:32:17] arbitrage001 : there is a bot here quoting 20k each side
[2016-12-19 03:32:49] sleger : arbitrage001: when you double the size, your bot goes on strike usually here
[2016-12-19 03:33:58] arbitrage001 : sleger: so this 20k bot is run by you?
[2016-12-19 03:34:05] sleger : arbitrage001: no
[2016-12-19 03:34:12] sleger : i dont run any bot here anymore
[2016-12-19 03:34:23] arbitrage001 : any reason?
[2016-12-19 03:34:33] sleger : since bitmex cost me 10k by violating their terms and conditions
[2016-12-19 03:34:37] arbitrage001 : 10k should be small for you
[2016-12-19 03:34:42] j8 : sleger: before too long i'd like to be doing that, at this point i don't think i benefit from trading other people's money and not keeping 100% of profits
[2016-12-19 03:34:45] suriah : principal
[2016-12-19 03:34:47] arbitrage001 : can make it back in no time
[2016-12-19 03:34:49] sleger : its like negotiating with terrorists
[2016-12-19 03:35:14] sleger : j8: too short term still ?
[2016-12-19 03:35:19] sleger : let me know is that changes
[2016-12-19 03:35:34] arbitrage001 : think he mean he has enough capital for volume here
[2016-12-19 03:35:46] arbitrage001 : unless bitmex grow faster than his capital
[2016-12-19 03:35:51] arbitrage001 : he is not taking investment
[2016-12-19 03:35:59] sleger : please dont assume you know what he means
[2016-12-19 03:36:07] arbitrage001 : sure
[2016-12-19 03:36:14] arbitrage001 : please enlight us, j8
[2016-12-19 03:36:15] j8 : it is a liquidity issue mostly
[2016-12-19 03:36:36] j8 : it's getting better though and i'm always working on scaling up
[2016-12-19 03:36:46] sleger : always looking to diverisfy
[2016-12-19 03:36:59] sleger : i think there's room for many players
[2016-12-19 03:37:11] arbitrage001 : yes
[2016-12-19 03:37:13] arbitrage001 : <-----
[2016-12-19 03:37:27] arbitrage001 : i am accepting 100btc investment
[2016-12-19 03:37:35] arbitrage001 : for my newly mint bot
[2016-12-19 03:37:45] sleger : good luck with that
[2016-12-19 03:37:58] arbitrage001 : it is new and unspoiled
[2016-12-19 03:38:02] arbitrage001 : like a virgin
[2016-12-19 03:38:13] rapidtrades : wtf
[2016-12-19 03:38:28] sleger : rapidtrades: hey you can rent arb101 bot
[2016-12-19 03:38:41] sleger : and share 50% of the "profit"
[2016-12-19 03:38:53] arbitrage001 : should know by now rapitrades is a small player, like me
[2016-12-19 03:42:21] Rado : arbitrage001: you want to rent my MM bot?
[2016-12-19 03:42:32] arbitrage001 : Rado: i already have one
[2016-12-19 03:42:39] Rado : just 0.5 BTC per month
[2016-12-19 03:42:48] rapidtrades : I'm making one too....damn this is getting crowded
[2016-12-19 03:42:49] arbitrage001 : how is the performance so far
[2016-12-19 03:42:51] Rado : arbitrage001: you have one, but does it make money?
[2016-12-19 03:43:00] j8 : you guys both made small changes to the sample market maker right.
[2016-12-19 03:43:02] arbitrage001 : Rado: let me check
[2016-12-19 03:43:30] Rado : j8: I think his bot in not a market maker bot
[2016-12-19 03:43:38] arbitrage001 : Rado: made 0.0106 btc so far
[2016-12-19 03:43:42] arbitrage001 : on 3 days
[2016-12-19 03:43:44] rapidtrades : god damit i thought this will be printing money
[2016-12-19 03:43:46] arbitrage001 : in 3 days
[2016-12-19 03:44:24] arbitrage001 : j8: made some changes on price quuting
[2016-12-19 03:45:02] sleger : excellent changes then
[2016-12-19 03:45:09] Rado : arbitrage001: just on price quoting?
[2016-12-19 03:45:20] arbitrage001 : Rado: and size
[2016-12-19 03:45:25] Rado : what about when you start accumulating a position?
[2016-12-19 03:45:39] arbitrage001 : Rado: it will stop
[2016-12-19 03:45:39] rapidtrades : ride it to the moon?
[2016-12-19 03:45:41] Prince : Sleger what happened here that cost you that if you dont mind me asking.
[2016-12-19 03:45:51] rapidtrades : not this again
[2016-12-19 03:46:01] Rado : ha ha
[2016-12-19 03:46:18] Rado : sleger lets hear it one more time
[2016-12-19 03:46:28] j8 : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4nrpof/bitmexs_perpetual_xbt_swap_product_struggles/
[2016-12-19 03:46:56] Prince : Sorry if youve told it already. Just curious
[2016-12-19 03:47:21] arbitrage001 : btcvis == sleger?
[2016-12-19 03:47:27] arbitrage001 : btcvix
[2016-12-19 03:47:29] j8 : no. god i hope not
[2016-12-19 03:47:43] arbitrage001 : why not
[2016-12-19 03:47:51] Rado : I didn't know there is a reddit post on this
[2016-12-19 03:47:54] arbitrage001 : both have the same attitude
[2016-12-19 03:48:26] j8 : i dunno about that
[2016-12-19 03:48:42] arbitrage001 : j8: you are too diplomatic
[2016-12-19 03:48:44] Rado : arbitrage001: what is your bot's current size?
[2016-12-19 03:48:48] arbitrage001 : learn to be like rapid
[2016-12-19 03:48:58] arbitrage001 : Rado: 400
[2016-12-19 03:49:07] arbitrage001 : Rado: on march contract
[2016-12-19 03:49:24] j8 : it's in my canadian blood
[2016-12-19 03:49:36] Rado : arbitrage001: cool
[2016-12-19 03:50:09] Rado : max size?
[2016-12-19 03:50:11] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: why march not swap
[2016-12-19 03:50:27] Rado : rapidtrades: so he doesn't need to deal with funding
[2016-12-19 03:50:37] Rado : I will run on both
[2016-12-19 03:50:47] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: cuz swap is harder to trader, even by hand
[2016-12-19 03:51:10] rapidtrades : not if ur net short
[2016-12-19 03:51:21] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: is it?
[2016-12-19 03:51:34] Rado : rapidtrades: MM is not net long or short
[2016-12-19 03:51:44] arbitrage001 : i already have plan for swap later
[2016-12-19 03:51:53] rapidtrades : whats the plan
[2016-12-19 03:51:59] arbitrage001 : haha
[2016-12-19 03:52:16] arbitrage001 : from time to time, MM here pull out
[2016-12-19 03:52:22] arbitrage001 : then i will go in
[2016-12-19 03:52:46] j8 : i agree, the swap is not that easy to price. but you are greatly rewarded for arbing it near spot
[2016-12-19 03:52:51] Rado : anyone know if I can use CLEF with two bitmex accounts and one phone?
[2016-12-19 03:53:06] arbitrage001 : j8: if you have large capital here, yes
[2016-12-19 03:53:15] arbitrage001 : j8: my cock is tiny like rapid
[2016-12-19 03:53:16] BitMEX_Wally : Unfortunately Clef does not support multiple email addresses
[2016-12-19 03:53:18] j8 : size doesn't matter
[2016-12-19 03:53:27] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: clef is dumb
[2016-12-19 03:53:36] arbitrage001 : j8: so just quote the size based on your capital?
[2016-12-19 03:53:44] j8 : of course
[2016-12-19 03:53:55] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: what would you suggest?
[2016-12-19 03:54:15] arbitrage001 : j8: ok
[2016-12-19 03:54:17] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: is there a way to transfer BTC from one account to another?
[2016-12-19 03:54:18] arbitrage001 : thank you for the tips
[2016-12-19 03:54:33] sleger : Rado: its called blockchain
[2016-12-19 03:54:36] rapidtrades : what tips
[2016-12-19 03:54:37] sleger : you should read about it
[2016-12-19 03:54:46] rapidtrades : I didn't get any tips
[2016-12-19 03:54:52] Rado : sleger: that will take 1 day
[2016-12-19 03:54:54] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: dude
[2016-12-19 03:55:05] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: you need to learn from basic trading
[2016-12-19 03:55:06] sleger : Rado: 30 min ?
[2016-12-19 03:55:11] rapidtrades : Rado: not rly just do 20 cents and it will be fine
[2016-12-19 03:55:20] Rado : but since the BTC is already held by BitMEX they can just move it from one account to the other
[2016-12-19 03:55:40] Rado : rapidtrades: BitMEX withdrawal is once per day
[2016-12-19 03:55:47] sleger : Rado: then they should have subaccounts
[2016-12-19 03:55:48] micmix : arbitrage001: you made 0.01 last 3 days quoting 400 on XBTH17? I really hope you have some limits in place or god help you when bitcoin starts moving
[2016-12-19 03:56:12] Rado : sleger: agreed, sub accounts will solve it
[2016-12-19 03:56:18] rapidtrades : sleger: +1 for subaccounts
[2016-12-19 03:56:20] Rado : I want to run multiple bots
[2016-12-19 03:56:28] BitMEX_Wally : Rado: Email me support@bitmex.com and we will see what we can do
[2016-12-19 03:56:39] j8 : subaccounts! u2f! bitmex 2.0!
[2016-12-19 03:56:45] sleger : i dont know why the position limits are in place when we can have multiple accounts
[2016-12-19 03:57:00] sleger : should just be subaccounts and thats it
[2016-12-19 03:57:22] arbitrage001 : micmix: year, set my limit to 3k
[2016-12-19 03:57:31] micmix : oh god
[2016-12-19 03:57:38] arbitrage001 : micmix: anything wrong with 400 size and 0.01 profit?
[2016-12-19 03:58:02] sleger : arbitrage001: dude thats almost 2% return in 3 days
[2016-12-19 03:58:05] sleger : its awesome
[2016-12-19 03:58:21] sleger : do x10
[2016-12-19 03:58:25] arbitrage001 : sleger: is it? i am accepting 100btc investment
[2016-12-19 03:58:40] sleger : sorry i dont do less than 500
[2016-12-19 03:58:54] arbitrage001 : sleger: 500 btc also ok
[2016-12-19 03:59:07] sleger : i dont deal with people that accept as low as 100 btc either
[2016-12-19 03:59:29] sleger : unless they are micmix or j8
[2016-12-19 04:01:47] micmix : arbitrage001: just think about it, your limit is 3k and you made 8 in 3 days
[2016-12-19 04:06:38] Angelika : micmix: what do you mean?
[2016-12-19 04:13:19] rapidtrades : hey you're not Angela....
[2016-12-19 04:14:07] Angelika : I need company
[2016-12-19 04:14:12] Angelika : who is the biggest man in here?
[2016-12-19 04:14:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: sell 5100 @ 0.001443
[2016-12-19 04:14:54] j8 : Angelika: are you looking for wealth or sexual prowess?
[2016-12-19 04:15:22] Angelika : both
[2016-12-19 04:15:27] elmorte : coz there's plenty of wealth...
[2016-12-19 04:15:32] j8 : oh, definitely rapidtrades then
[2016-12-19 04:19:20] rapidtrades : j8: :)
[2016-12-19 04:20:00] j8 : nintendo down, i paper traded the shit out of that one
[2016-12-19 04:56:27] micmix : only 13.36 btc volume for today's Gemini auction. i guess bitcoin is dead until 2-3rd week of january
[2016-12-19 04:57:27] elmorte : Then the CNY comes
[2016-12-19 05:03:25] j8 : hearing a lot of calls for CNY downside after jan 1
[2016-12-19 05:03:55] elmorte : I meant the holiday, but yeah same here about the yuan
[2016-12-19 05:04:58] j8 : oh chinese new year
[2016-12-19 05:05:09] elmorte : yup, last week of Jan
[2016-12-19 05:05:11] j8 : gotcha
[2016-12-19 05:06:02] arbitrage001 : Angelika: i am your man, madam
[2016-12-19 05:09:47] arbitrage001 : got to love 3rd world
[2016-12-19 05:09:58] arbitrage001 : water shortage when it rains almost everyday
[2016-12-19 05:14:01] j8 : you can't drink the rain?
[2016-12-19 05:15:44] arbitrage001 : j8: not sure, i suppose one can with the proper filter system
[2016-12-19 05:16:07] arbitrage001 : air and water here not exactly "clean"
[2016-12-19 05:16:23] arbitrage001 : with the pollution
[2016-12-19 05:17:33] j8 : i see
[2016-12-19 05:20:01] micmix : rainwater is usually the best option if you can't get water from a deep well. it's going to be safer than filtered water from any ground source. takes a proper water treatment plant to make drinking water safe if it's taken from a lake/river
[2016-12-19 05:20:29] arbitrage001 : micmix: rain water cleaner than lake/river?
[2016-12-19 05:20:37] micmix : definately
[2016-12-19 05:20:45] arbitrage001 : i see
[2016-12-19 05:20:52] arbitrage001 : thank you for the tips
[2016-12-19 05:20:58] arbitrage001 : i will drink rainwater then
[2016-12-19 05:21:09] arbitrage001 : when my water tank run dry that is
[2016-12-19 05:22:20] micmix : but it has to be collected directly, it's not like you can use roof run off
[2016-12-19 05:22:52] arbitrage001 : micmix: use water bucket when it rains?
[2016-12-19 05:25:34] micmix : something like a big sheet of clean plastic
[2016-12-19 05:25:45] micmix : to collect from larger area
[2016-12-19 05:26:13] arbitrage001 : guess i need to do some planning then
[2016-12-19 05:26:24] arbitrage001 : as the infrastructure here falling apart
[2016-12-19 05:27:22] arbitrage001 : out for a bit
[2016-12-19 05:27:46] micmix : you can use special collector for drinking water and roof run off for everything else like laundry etc.
[2016-12-19 05:49:01] ett1 : true survivalist recycle their own piss
[2016-12-19 06:03:37] immackay : arbitrage001: where are you?
[2016-12-19 06:14:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 6100 @ 839.57
[2016-12-19 06:31:15] l3f : Somebody once told me that bitcoin doesn't retrace
[2016-12-19 06:31:19] aaaaa : it seems like now is china who follows europe instead these times before
[2016-12-19 06:31:24] l3f : and they've been taken to the liquidators
[2016-12-19 06:31:48] aaaaa : why??
[2016-12-19 06:32:06] l3f : sorry bad joke
[2016-12-19 08:07:50] rapidtrades : recycling rain water? we've fallen on hard times gentlemen
[2016-12-19 08:08:35] rapidtrades : back in 2013 we dreamed of a Lamborghini in every bitcoiner's backyard
[2016-12-19 08:31:07] DangerandPlay : LOL
[2016-12-19 08:33:33] PARAFFIN : Hey all
[2016-12-19 08:33:47] PARAFFIN : So i think BTC Will go over 800 this year
[2016-12-19 08:33:54] PARAFFIN : what do you think?
[2016-12-19 08:38:42] uiyuy : no
[2016-12-19 08:38:53] uiyuy : 798$ max
[2016-12-19 08:53:21] DangerandPlay : i think it's going to the moon :D
[2016-12-19 08:53:26] DangerandPlay : second half of january
[2016-12-19 08:54:06] micmix : rapidtrades: Lamborghini in the backyard doesn't help with water shortages, maybe if you use it as a rainwater collector
[2016-12-19 09:55:32] pause88 : wow someone arbitrarIly advised drinking rain water over ground or well water. Guess acid rain is lovely year-around
[2016-12-19 09:58:01] j8 : actually he said well > rain > lake/river
[2016-12-19 09:59:11] j8 : but this isn't the place to get a professional opinion on water quality
[2016-12-19 09:59:22] j8 : or anything else for that matter
[2016-12-19 10:07:19] rapidtrades : pause88: where do u think ground water comes from dummy?
[2016-12-19 10:07:36] rapidtrades : its not birthed by mother Earth u know
[2016-12-19 10:12:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 120 @ 0.009550
[2016-12-19 10:13:16] micmix : pause88: is World Health Organisation good enough authority for you? microbial and parasitic infections are the main problem, and they are most prevalent in surface water and shallow wells. you can read up here if interested http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/publications/envsanfactsheets/en/index1.html
[2016-12-19 10:48:56] elmorte : Can confirm, don't have a backyard and no Lambo, so my water is just fine.
[2016-12-19 11:03:49] arbitrage001 : elmorte: which area you live?
[2016-12-19 11:05:18] j8 : lots of edible snow in my backyard, just check it's not yellow
[2016-12-19 11:08:41] aethlios : i see a rally for zec 0.04 to 0.06
[2016-12-19 11:18:45] rapidtrades : cool
[2016-12-19 11:19:23] rapidtrades : https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/actress-zsa-zsa-gabor-died-aged-99-230000679.html
[2016-12-19 11:19:32] rapidtrades : ^ 99 years...f*cking women
[2016-12-19 11:19:46] rapidtrades : they have the lifespan of trees
[2016-12-19 11:44:25] j8 : no relation to Dennis Gabor i guess (badass physicist, invented holography)
[2016-12-19 12:39:25] mjones : btc dumping
[2016-12-19 12:43:02] rapidtrades : omg no
[2016-12-19 12:43:11] rapidtrades : WE'RE ALL DEAD
[2016-12-19 12:43:31] rapidtrades : we're literally dead right now, not even waiting to die
[2016-12-19 12:43:59] rapidtrades : CALL 911
[2016-12-19 12:44:07] rapidtrades : smone shot bitcorn
[2016-12-19 12:48:14] bitcoinrocket : serious bicion going down ?
[2016-12-19 12:48:24] martyix : hi, how come I get {"table":"orderBook10","action":"update","data":[{"symbol":"XBTH17","bids":[],"asks":[[834.45,200]],"timestamp":"2016-12-19T12:40:50.090Z"}]} from testnet (https://testnet.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBTH17)? I mean it should be very very very rare that `bids` or `asks` array is empty. Yet I get it very often. however, I can see othat orderbook https://testnet.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBTH17 is not empty on `bid` side
[2016-12-19 12:49:17] mjones : Not new low yet but getting close
[2016-12-19 12:50:02] Bosails : who is popping some bitcorn?
[2016-12-19 12:50:47] mjones : Not sure. Don't want to short in case it is fake out
[2016-12-19 12:52:19] arbitrage001 : we were so close to 800
[2016-12-19 12:52:34] arbitrage001 : if we make 800, we become closer to 1000
[2016-12-19 12:52:49] arbitrage001 : and if make 1000, we become closer to 1000000
[2016-12-19 12:55:05] rapidtrades : +!
[2016-12-19 12:55:15] rapidtrades : can't argue with that logic ^
[2016-12-19 13:00:58] BitMEX_Wally : martyix: The fake market maker on Testnet is pretty stupid, it just cancels all its orders and re-submits, rather than amending.
[2016-12-19 13:01:21] martyix : I see. Thanks
[2016-12-19 13:11:40] Gomezpl : go closer to 700;p
[2016-12-19 13:18:33] bitcoinrocket : Hey if i deposit will it be instant and can i trade it ?
[2016-12-19 13:19:03] bitcoinrocket : i dont understand whats up with the Funding Countdown???? Is that the time to wait when withdrawing funds ?
[2016-12-19 13:22:33] BitMEX_Wally : bitcoinrocket: You can trade immediately once your deposit has 1 block confirmation
[2016-12-19 13:23:45] BitMEX_Wally : The XBTUSD swap product has a funding charge every 8 hours, currently it is Funding Rate: -0.0013% in 6 hours, which means if you are long XBTUSD you will be paid 0.0013% of the value of your position, and if you are short you will pay.
[2016-12-19 13:25:26] BitMEX_Wally : If you trade the XBTUSD swap then there are funding charges but your position does not expire. Or instead you can trade the XBTZ16 future which has no funding charges but it expires on 30 December.
[2016-12-19 13:26:50] bitcoinrocket : Thank you so much my friend
[2016-12-19 13:26:57] bitcoinrocket : appreciate it!
[2016-12-19 14:05:20] arbitrage001 : BitMEX_Wally: that is because the sample MM comes with cancel all function
[2016-12-19 14:06:13] arbitrage001 : and some coders like to re-use existing function rather than figure out the detail
[2016-12-19 14:22:25] BitMEX_Sam : arbitrage001: No, he's referring to the fake MM that we run on Testnet
[2016-12-19 14:22:30] BitMEX_Sam : Not to anything you're running.
[2016-12-19 15:11:46] Rado : .
[2016-12-19 15:12:03] Angelika : ..
[2016-12-19 15:12:11] Rado : ...
[2016-12-19 15:22:33] BitMEX_Sam : ....
[2016-12-19 15:25:09] sleger : can I play ?
[2016-12-19 15:25:14] thiago : who farted?
[2016-12-19 15:25:32] BitMEX_Greg : you ruined it sleger
[2016-12-19 15:25:34] sleger : it was REKT i swear
[2016-12-19 15:31:50] Rado : sleger: USDJPY back under 117
[2016-12-19 15:32:11] Rado : made a pretty good trade shorting at 118
[2016-12-19 15:32:46] Rado : anyone a linux master here?
[2016-12-19 15:33:20] sleger : probably depends what you mean by master
[2016-12-19 15:34:17] Rado : I have a bash script that checks if my MM bot is runing and starts it if it's not
[2016-12-19 15:34:24] Rado : when I run the script it works fine
[2016-12-19 15:34:38] Rado : I added it to the cron, but it doesn't seem to do anything
[2016-12-19 15:34:44] Rado : it's supposed to run every min
[2016-12-19 15:34:58] habibi : Rado: have u tried to turn it off and on ?
[2016-12-19 15:35:27] sleger : Rado: how would you know that its not doing anything ?