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[2016-12-18 23:57:38] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-18 23:57:56] Coconuter : well with 100k i see i can apply for startup visa
[2016-12-18 23:57:58] Coconuter : or something here
[2016-12-18 23:58:04] Coconuter : so its fine
[2016-12-18 23:58:09] sleger : why would they agree 6 months business trips thats weird
[2016-12-18 23:58:21] sleger : usually investor GC is 500k min
[2016-12-18 23:58:29] Coconuter : well man
[2016-12-18 23:58:35] Coconuter : last year i came
[2016-12-18 23:58:36] sleger : but i know there are some other programs, maybe easier
[2016-12-18 23:58:41] Coconuter : they also gave 6 months
[2016-12-18 23:58:45] Coconuter : as a tourist
[2016-12-18 23:58:53] Coconuter : if you have money they usually give 6 months
[2016-12-18 23:59:01] sleger : french get 3 months
[2016-12-18 23:59:05] sleger : max
[2016-12-18 23:59:05] Coconuter : yes the startup visa was veing implemented here
[2016-12-18 23:59:12] Coconuter : need to check it out
[2016-12-18 23:59:21] Coconuter : well the europe passport
[2016-12-18 23:59:24] Coconuter : dont need Visa
[2016-12-18 23:59:38] Coconuter : they can enter any time they want and stay 90 days
[2016-12-18 23:59:44] sleger : no visa per say, but they have some electronic form, cost 20$, so close to a visa
[2016-12-18 23:59:52] sleger : except not in the passport per say
[2016-12-18 23:59:53] Coconuter : yep but much easier
[2016-12-18 23:59:57] sleger : but 3m max
[2016-12-19 00:00:00] Coconuter : than to get a visa in brazil
[2016-12-19 00:00:06] Coconuter : most are being rejected
[2016-12-19 00:00:19] sleger : maybe, but thats because you can trust a french much more than a coconuter
[2016-12-19 00:00:28] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-19 00:00:37] Coconuter : french are softy
[2016-12-19 00:00:44] Coconuter : thats why only 3 months is allowed
[2016-12-19 00:00:51] Coconuter : they need to go back running to they brioche
[2016-12-19 00:00:57] sleger : hmm
[2016-12-19 00:01:22] sleger : already missing it
[2016-12-19 00:01:33] sleger : in nyc for the holidays
[2016-12-19 00:01:41] Coconuter : going to buy a car here and im all set
[2016-12-19 00:01:46] Coconuter : cool come to florida sleger
[2016-12-19 00:01:57] sleger : no i was there 6m ago or so
[2016-12-19 00:02:03] sleger : tampa orlando miami
[2016-12-19 00:02:06] Coconuter : its 4 hours flight
[2016-12-19 00:02:09] Coconuter : dont be a pussy
[2016-12-19 00:02:12] Coconuter : get your lier jet
[2016-12-19 00:02:13] sleger : this time nyc and new orleans
[2016-12-19 00:02:41] Coconuter : im thinking on getting a muscle car man
[2016-12-19 00:02:48] Coconuter : in brazil a camaro is like 70-100K u$
[2016-12-19 00:02:53] Coconuter : here is 10kU$
[2016-12-19 00:02:58] sleger : get a mustang gt500
[2016-12-19 00:02:59] Coconuter : 10-15k
[2016-12-19 00:03:08] Coconuter : no man i dont have a jet yet
[2016-12-19 00:03:19] Coconuter : maybe if btc goes to 1250U$
[2016-12-19 00:03:35] sleger : i rented a viper in miami last time, hated it
[2016-12-19 00:03:55] Coconuter : i dont want ultra fancy but want something cool
[2016-12-19 00:04:32] Coconuter : saw many customized i8 here
[2016-12-19 00:04:33] Coconuter : today
[2016-12-19 00:04:38] sleger : old corvette
[2016-12-19 00:04:49] sleger : or a lotus elise
[2016-12-19 00:05:01] Coconuter : im more into a 2014 mustang
[2016-12-19 00:05:05] Coconuter : or camaro
[2016-12-19 00:05:08] Coconuter : 10-13k
[2016-12-19 00:05:20] Coconuter : same price as my Hyundai Elantra GT in brazil
[2016-12-19 00:05:22] Coconuter : 2010
[2016-12-19 00:05:25] Coconuter : lol
[2016-12-19 00:05:25] sleger : mustang ok, camaro is like the non-corvette car
[2016-12-19 00:05:45] Coconuter : yeah ill decide it this week
[2016-12-19 00:05:49] Coconuter : need to build credit
[2016-12-19 00:05:56] Coconuter : in this new matrix
[2016-12-19 00:06:13] sleger : dude you cant build credit in a week
[2016-12-19 00:06:33] sleger : you cant have a social number so cant have a credit card i think
[2016-12-19 00:06:43] sleger : (i went to school here a while ago)
[2016-12-19 00:06:56] Coconuter : i have itin
[2016-12-19 00:07:06] Coconuter : i got a credit card
[2016-12-19 00:07:13] Coconuter : just need to spend and buy stuff and pay now
[2016-12-19 00:07:22] Coconuter : and will not buy the car on cash
[2016-12-19 00:07:31] Coconuter : need to pay 75%
[2016-12-19 00:07:35] Coconuter : and finance the rest
[2016-12-19 00:07:40] Coconuter : in 3 months i have good credit score
[2016-12-19 00:08:15] Coconuter : i was here last year i knew this shit i would had got the credit card last year
[2016-12-19 00:08:20] Coconuter : and already had good credit
[2016-12-19 00:08:26] Coconuter : but, living and learning
[2016-12-19 00:08:52] Coconuter : a startup
[2016-12-19 00:08:58] Coconuter : for `international credit score`
[2016-12-19 00:09:06] Coconuter : would pump
[2016-12-19 00:09:39] Coconuter : but only when Bitcoin becomes the world currency
[2016-12-19 00:09:57] Coconuter : different fiat money wouldnt allow this to work in this timeline
[2016-12-19 00:09:59] sleger : how could you get a credit card with no social number ?
[2016-12-19 00:10:07] Coconuter : i have itin number
[2016-12-19 00:10:12] Coconuter : its a social for non resident
[2016-12-19 00:10:27] sleger : oh thats what you meant by itin, didnt know that
[2016-12-19 00:10:45] sleger : Individual Taxpayer Identification Number
[2016-12-19 00:10:50] Coconuter : yep
[2016-12-19 00:10:56] Coconuter : had to get that to open my LLC last year
[2016-12-19 00:11:15] sleger : didnt know about that, maybe didnt exist at the time
[2016-12-19 00:12:02] sleger : well, I hope the dream comes true
[2016-12-19 00:12:14] Coconuter : theyre are
[2016-12-19 00:12:21] sleger : i dont know if a car is the first thing i would buy in your case
[2016-12-19 00:12:30] Coconuter : lol what would you buy
[2016-12-19 00:12:50] Coconuter : each drive here is 10-15miles one way
[2016-12-19 00:13:02] Coconuter : uber is 15-20U$ each way some times
[2016-12-19 00:13:17] Coconuter : so 30-50U$ a day of uber is better to buy a car
[2016-12-19 00:13:29] sleger : lease takeover
[2016-12-19 00:13:42] Coconuter : i cant lease since i dont have credit score yet
[2016-12-19 00:13:55] Coconuter : i msg some expat leasing companies
[2016-12-19 00:14:06] Coconuter : but dont know if it will work
[2016-12-19 00:15:04] sleger : long term rental from rental companies ?
[2016-12-19 00:15:12] Coconuter : too expensive
[2016-12-19 00:15:19] Coconuter : better to give 50-57 percent entry
[2016-12-19 00:15:22] Coconuter : and finance the rest
[2016-12-19 00:15:29] Coconuter : even finance is hard
[2016-12-19 00:15:37] Coconuter : without credit score its 18-25% a year
[2016-12-19 00:15:40] Coconuter : of tax
[2016-12-19 00:15:45] Coconuter : rates
[2016-12-19 00:15:49] Coconuter : crazy
[2016-12-19 00:16:00] Coconuter : but to feed the bank to give me a good credit score i will finance a part
[2016-12-19 00:16:06] Coconuter : and pay it full in 3-5 months
[2016-12-19 00:16:33] sleger : you dont need to pay interest to earn the score
[2016-12-19 00:16:42] sleger : you can pay in full every month it works the same way
[2016-12-19 00:17:02] Coconuter : well but if i pay full in 1 month i pay the entire car
[2016-12-19 00:17:12] sleger : i meant for the car
[2016-12-19 00:17:14] Coconuter : so it will be financed in 50% first payment
[2016-12-19 00:17:16] sleger : sorry the cards
[2016-12-19 00:17:24] Coconuter : oh the credit card
[2016-12-19 00:17:25] Coconuter : yes
[2016-12-19 00:17:33] Coconuter : but if i finance the car i get score faster
[2016-12-19 00:17:50] Coconuter : so im financing for 3-5 months
[2016-12-19 00:17:54] Coconuter : just to make them happy
[2016-12-19 00:18:20] sleger : got you
[2016-12-19 00:18:48] Coconuter : mustang here i come
[2016-12-19 00:18:52] Coconuter : going out for some beers now
[2016-12-19 00:18:57] Coconuter : PUMP THAT MOFO sleger
[2016-12-19 00:19:03] Coconuter : 900U$ when i come back...
[2016-12-19 00:19:07] Coconuter : thank you
[2016-12-19 00:19:14] sleger : 78 degrees there nice
[2016-12-19 00:19:22] sleger : enjoy FL !
[2016-12-19 00:19:27] Coconuter : tchau
[2016-12-19 00:51:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: buy 15000 @ 0.001421
[2016-12-19 01:02:15] j8 : who's ready to make new highs by 50 cny and then consolidate for 2 days
[2016-12-19 01:03:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 10000 @ 788.70
[2016-12-19 01:06:01] sleger : me me me
[2016-12-19 01:07:59] arbitrage001 : good morning
[2016-12-19 01:08:12] j8 : seriously though, this shits gotta pop eventually
[2016-12-19 01:08:14] arbitrage001 : price action is total bullcrap here
[2016-12-19 01:09:47] arbitrage001 : at least my bot able to close position at profit
[2016-12-19 01:09:51] arbitrage001 : weee
[2016-12-19 01:10:23] aethlios : how many females do you believe trade here in bitmex (as % in total)? if any exist answer to the chat.
[2016-12-19 01:10:55] arbitrage001 : aethlios: less than 5
[2016-12-19 01:11:03] arbitrage001 : count not %
[2016-12-19 01:11:11] j8 : definitely more guys that pretend to be girls online
[2016-12-19 01:11:22] j8 : not that theres anything wrong with that
[2016-12-19 01:11:29] arbitrage001 : yeah
[2016-12-19 01:11:39] arbitrage001 : women should do their role
[2016-12-19 01:11:57] arbitrage001 : fulfill the breeding function
[2016-12-19 01:12:07] j8 : heh that's not really what i was saying, but ok
[2016-12-19 01:12:12] sleger : Adriana and Angela as far as I know
[2016-12-19 01:12:15] sleger : both are mine
[2016-12-19 01:12:25] sleger : if there is any other i'd like to knpw
[2016-12-19 01:12:27] sleger : know
[2016-12-19 01:14:09] imabeast : short etc yall
[2016-12-19 01:14:29] arbitrage001 : imabeast: short eth better
[2016-12-19 01:14:34] arbitrage001 : it is going to zero
[2016-12-19 01:14:42] arbitrage001 : or close to it
[2016-12-19 01:15:51] arbitrage001 : xmr good short also
[2016-12-19 01:17:23] j8 : i would love to see etc overtake eth, as an outsider with no stake in either. would be great to watch
[2016-12-19 01:17:48] arbitrage001 : j8: might actually happen
[2016-12-19 01:18:02] arbitrage001 : china man makes the rules in crypto
[2016-12-19 01:24:43] sleger : arbitrage001: glad you're saying that
[2016-12-19 01:24:47] sleger : im more condient in my eth now
[2016-12-19 01:26:23] j8 : how was it decided that the chain that forked got to keep the ETH symbol? it's kind of a big deal going forward especially for crypto derivatives. it's not like leveraged ETH positions were duplicated, although physical coins were
[2016-12-19 01:27:35] j8 : maybe i'm wrong about the last part, at least on bitmex they weren't
[2016-12-19 01:28:16] thiago : physical coins???????
[2016-12-19 01:29:39] j8 : yeah "physical" in the sense that they're actual blockchain tokens, not derivatives
[2016-12-19 01:30:56] j8 : like physical gold vs. paper gold
[2016-12-19 01:41:06] j8 : paper gold???????
[2016-12-19 01:41:55] mjones : china finally add ETC?
[2016-12-19 01:42:21] startChat : ETC new silver to BTC gold?
[2016-12-19 01:47:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1230 @ 789.82
[2016-12-19 01:50:15] Rado : sup j8
[2016-12-19 01:51:02] Rado : finally was able to work on the MM bot
[2016-12-19 01:51:36] Rado : added skew and tuning the best settings
[2016-12-19 01:51:47] Rado : pretty hard to tune them on testnet though
[2016-12-19 01:51:53] Rado : might need to start running it live
[2016-12-19 01:51:57] j8 : nice, i'm planning a pretty major rewrite of my bot infrastructure
[2016-12-19 01:52:21] Rado : cool
[2016-12-19 01:52:42] j8 : you could start running very small. use a separate account with not much funds
[2016-12-19 01:52:53] Rado : that is what I was thinking
[2016-12-19 01:54:03] Rado : will ping you when it's live to see if you can notice any weakness
[2016-12-19 01:54:58] Rado : what are the news on ETC?
[2016-12-19 01:55:08] j8 : right on. are you using any external prices or just data from bitmex?
[2016-12-19 01:57:37] Rado : just from bitmex
[2016-12-19 02:03:55] Rado : XBTZ16 is much better than buying swap right now
[2016-12-19 02:04:08] Rado : only $3 premium and don't need to worry about funding
[2016-12-19 02:06:04] j8 : futures are not bullish at all.
[2016-12-19 02:06:45] Rado : j8: do you know if transferring fund between bitmex accounts still goes trough the normal wait time and the BTC network
[2016-12-19 02:07:06] j8 : yeah, there's no internal transfers that i'm aware of
[2016-12-19 02:07:13] KingTuna : Why are people saying $1600 BTC... Absolutely absurd :P
[2016-12-19 02:07:19] KingTuna : :P
[2016-12-19 02:07:21] KingTuna : :D
[2016-12-19 02:07:29] Rado : KingTuna: why is it absurd?
[2016-12-19 02:07:46] KingTuna : Coz it is isn't February 2017 yet
[2016-12-19 02:07:55] KingTuna : That's the date it will happen ;)
[2016-12-19 02:08:22] Rado : you have a cristall ball?
[2016-12-19 02:09:03] j8 : anyone hoping for $1600 btc can probably wait until february
[2016-12-19 02:09:07] mjones : i have a magic 8 ball
[2016-12-19 02:09:26] startChat : and it says 4k
[2016-12-19 02:11:07] mjones : etc heading back up
[2016-12-19 02:11:12] mjones : china adding it today i guess
[2016-12-19 02:11:49] Rado : mjones: do you have a link? or just speculation for now
[2016-12-19 02:12:01] mjones : they said they'd add it over a month ago
[2016-12-19 02:12:05] mjones : so it must be close
[2016-12-19 02:12:11] mjones : i dont think whales would just randomly pump etc
[2016-12-19 02:12:51] j8 : what does "china adding it" mean
[2016-12-19 02:13:11] mjones : an exchanged based in China is adding ETC over ETH
[2016-12-19 02:13:25] mjones : a group in China also is behind ETCWIN
[2016-12-19 02:14:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 10 @ 0.009720
[2016-12-19 02:14:59] mjones : i dont really wanna FOMO long the top but i dont wanna miss out if this pumps 50% randomly
[2016-12-19 02:17:01] Rado : mjones: then the only choice you have is to buy and set a tight stop
[2016-12-19 02:17:08] Rado : I guess buy on a small pullback
[2016-12-19 02:20:14] KingTuna : I've been setting a trailing $15 stop loss - Sound strategy? I have a fair few BTC though, so may dump it lower - Limit and stop
[2016-12-19 02:23:44] mjones : Xmr dumping a bit
[2016-12-19 02:40:38] XXXX : whats the ICO price of ETCWIN?
[2016-12-19 02:46:18] arbitrage001 : back from jogging
[2016-12-19 02:46:32] arbitrage001 : j8: any tips for new bot runner?
[2016-12-19 02:47:04] arbitrage001 : as in 2k btc volume everyday
[2016-12-19 02:47:19] arbitrage001 : or more
[2016-12-19 02:55:40] j8 : tips, i dunno, that's pretty vague
[2016-12-19 03:02:30] arbitrage001 : j8: how do you control risk
[2016-12-19 03:05:46] j8 : there are many different risks, first identify them
[2016-12-19 03:07:32] j8 : aside from price risk, there's exchange downtime, bad data, ADL...
[2016-12-19 03:07:57] j8 : coding errors, edge cases you didn't think of, etc
[2016-12-19 03:09:55] j8 : at best you will have a small edge on average, and any of these things could destroy many weeks of profits
[2016-12-19 03:10:01] rapidtrades : there was some pretty stupid discussion between Coconut and sleger earlier
[2016-12-19 03:10:18] rapidtrades : I just wanted to point that out
[2016-12-19 03:10:34] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: dude, just let it go
[2016-12-19 03:11:22] rapidtrades : I can't, it wasn't up to par
[2016-12-19 03:11:42] rapidtrades : this chat deserves a certain level of discourse
[2016-12-19 03:12:32] arbitrage001 : j8: all your bots operate on small edges?
[2016-12-19 03:13:33] j8 : i'm just assuming you don't have a large edge, so at best it's small positive
[2016-12-19 03:14:00] arbitrage001 : j8: market is usually efficient most of the time
[2016-12-19 03:14:17] arbitrage001 : so, have to assume, little to no edge most of the times
[2016-12-19 03:14:21] j8 : then why bother?
[2016-12-19 03:14:25] suriah : do you guys run bots on any regional exchanges ?
[2016-12-19 03:14:48] arbitrage001 : j8: there are still small spread to be captured
[2016-12-19 03:14:56] j8 : that's the edge though
[2016-12-19 03:15:07] j8 : spread and rebates
[2016-12-19 03:15:08] arbitrage001 : j8: i see
[2016-12-19 03:15:38] j8 : vs. sweep risk
[2016-12-19 03:15:52] arbitrage001 : j8: to limit risk, all bots should be price directionalless?
[2016-12-19 03:16:09] arbitrage001 : price neutral i mean
[2016-12-19 03:16:26] j8 : not necessarily, there are trend following bot strategies too
[2016-12-19 03:17:46] j8 : but if you're planning a neutral strategy you should have measures in place to make sure it's neutral
[2016-12-19 03:19:14] j8 : if you're just trying to capture spread then you'll probably tolerate some delta for short periods or small % moves
[2016-12-19 03:20:35] arbitrage001 : j8: i see
[2016-12-19 03:20:37] j8 : just know that betting on mean reversion is effectively selling volatility
[2016-12-19 03:21:20] arbitrage001 : j8: so, only do it when volatility or premium is high ?
[2016-12-19 03:21:32] arbitrage001 : from the sell side
[2016-12-19 03:22:25] arbitrage001 : to reduce risk that is
[2016-12-19 03:22:26] j8 : volatility also correlates with recent volatility, it doesn't come out of nowhere
[2016-12-19 03:22:43] sleger : j8: you arguing with dumy 101 ?
[2016-12-19 03:23:00] j8 : i don't think we're arguing at all
[2016-12-19 03:23:01] arbitrage001 : sleger: we are not arguing
[2016-12-19 03:23:07] arbitrage001 : he is giving me tips
[2016-12-19 03:23:30] sleger : j8: you teaching him arbitrage 101 ?
[2016-12-19 03:23:40] j8 : heh
[2016-12-19 03:24:18] arbitrage001 : sleger: can you loan me 100 btc to run my bot
[2016-12-19 03:24:28] arbitrage001 : will split 50% profit
[2016-12-19 03:24:35] arbitrage001 : if my bot make profit
[2016-12-19 03:25:27] suriah : im using hidden orders and there is a bot frontrunning everytime I update. how?
[2016-12-19 03:25:44] sleger : arbitrage001: i dont see what my upside is ?
[2016-12-19 03:25:52] arbitrage001 : suriah: try to use 1 contract to see how far the bot will follow
[2016-12-19 03:26:00] sleger : if I want to just lose coins, I can send them to an address I dont own
[2016-12-19 03:26:02] arbitrage001 : sleger: 50% of profit
[2016-12-19 03:26:16] suriah : how is it possible he can see my orders
[2016-12-19 03:26:19] arbitrage001 : sleger: yeah, you can also do that
[2016-12-19 03:26:29] sleger : suriah: he is bitmex bot
[2016-12-19 03:26:34] sleger : he is omniscient
[2016-12-19 03:26:54] suriah : now its using another bot to make it look like they are outbidding. wow.
[2016-12-19 03:27:05] j8 : paranoid
[2016-12-19 03:27:22] suriah : I think I am
[2016-12-19 03:27:23] sleger : suriah: what did you smoke ?
[2016-12-19 03:27:24] arbitrage001 : sleger: donation accepted here:
[2016-12-19 03:27:40] suriah : sleger: unicorn milk
[2016-12-19 03:27:40] arbitrage001 : 16nyXpAieKqHFz6NW9kDYdXs2gmW5BBm96
[2016-12-19 03:27:42] sleger : arbitrage001: ask j8
[2016-12-19 03:27:48] sleger : he feels generous
[2016-12-19 03:27:53] sleger : i mean he was talking to you
[2016-12-19 03:27:55] arbitrage001 : j8 isn't as rich as you are
[2016-12-19 03:28:13] sleger : but i'm not nice
[2016-12-19 03:28:18] j8 : i'm taking investments for my own bot actually
[2016-12-19 03:28:21] arbitrage001 : you can change
[2016-12-19 03:28:24] immackay : j8: where can I find more information on bots? I don't yet have the knowledge to code my own
[2016-12-19 03:28:28] sleger : j8: are you ?
[2016-12-19 03:28:34] suriah : if you guys want to run a bot dont waste time competing here, hit a regional exchange and own it
[2016-12-19 03:28:34] j8 : feel free to send: 16nyXpAieKqHFz6NW9kDYdXs2gmW5BBm96
[2016-12-19 03:28:41] arbitrage001 : j8: what proposal you have
[2016-12-19 03:30:02] rapidtrades : have u tried smaller exchanges or running the MM bots on alts? should be easier yes?
[2016-12-19 03:30:06] sleger : j8: are you serious ?
[2016-12-19 03:30:41] sleger : rapidtrades: alts is just polo, different business. It's also how much you consider your capital at risk
[2016-12-19 03:30:48] j8 : no it's not even my address :P
[2016-12-19 03:31:00] arbitrage001 : my wallet
[2016-12-19 03:31:09] suriah : 100btc sent
[2016-12-19 03:31:09] rapidtrades : sleger: ah i see ur point
[2016-12-19 03:31:21] sleger : j8: not talking about address, but if you'd be looking at a share deal
[2016-12-19 03:31:58] arbitrage001 : how well do bot scale here in term of volume
[2016-12-19 03:32:17] arbitrage001 : there is a bot here quoting 20k each side
[2016-12-19 03:32:49] sleger : arbitrage001: when you double the size, your bot goes on strike usually here
[2016-12-19 03:33:58] arbitrage001 : sleger: so this 20k bot is run by you?
[2016-12-19 03:34:05] sleger : arbitrage001: no
[2016-12-19 03:34:12] sleger : i dont run any bot here anymore
[2016-12-19 03:34:23] arbitrage001 : any reason?
[2016-12-19 03:34:33] sleger : since bitmex cost me 10k by violating their terms and conditions
[2016-12-19 03:34:37] arbitrage001 : 10k should be small for you
[2016-12-19 03:34:42] j8 : sleger: before too long i'd like to be doing that, at this point i don't think i benefit from trading other people's money and not keeping 100% of profits
[2016-12-19 03:34:45] suriah : principal
[2016-12-19 03:34:47] arbitrage001 : can make it back in no time
[2016-12-19 03:34:49] sleger : its like negotiating with terrorists
[2016-12-19 03:35:14] sleger : j8: too short term still ?
[2016-12-19 03:35:19] sleger : let me know is that changes
[2016-12-19 03:35:34] arbitrage001 : think he mean he has enough capital for volume here
[2016-12-19 03:35:46] arbitrage001 : unless bitmex grow faster than his capital
[2016-12-19 03:35:51] arbitrage001 : he is not taking investment
[2016-12-19 03:35:59] sleger : please dont assume you know what he means
[2016-12-19 03:36:07] arbitrage001 : sure
[2016-12-19 03:36:14] arbitrage001 : please enlight us, j8
[2016-12-19 03:36:15] j8 : it is a liquidity issue mostly
[2016-12-19 03:36:36] j8 : it's getting better though and i'm always working on scaling up
[2016-12-19 03:36:46] sleger : always looking to diverisfy
[2016-12-19 03:36:59] sleger : i think there's room for many players
[2016-12-19 03:37:11] arbitrage001 : yes
[2016-12-19 03:37:13] arbitrage001 : <-----
[2016-12-19 03:37:27] arbitrage001 : i am accepting 100btc investment
[2016-12-19 03:37:35] arbitrage001 : for my newly mint bot
[2016-12-19 03:37:45] sleger : good luck with that
[2016-12-19 03:37:58] arbitrage001 : it is new and unspoiled
[2016-12-19 03:38:02] arbitrage001 : like a virgin
[2016-12-19 03:38:13] rapidtrades : wtf
[2016-12-19 03:38:28] sleger : rapidtrades: hey you can rent arb101 bot
[2016-12-19 03:38:41] sleger : and share 50% of the "profit"
[2016-12-19 03:38:53] arbitrage001 : should know by now rapitrades is a small player, like me
[2016-12-19 03:42:21] Rado : arbitrage001: you want to rent my MM bot?
[2016-12-19 03:42:32] arbitrage001 : Rado: i already have one
[2016-12-19 03:42:39] Rado : just 0.5 BTC per month
[2016-12-19 03:42:48] rapidtrades : I'm making one too....damn this is getting crowded
[2016-12-19 03:42:49] arbitrage001 : how is the performance so far
[2016-12-19 03:42:51] Rado : arbitrage001: you have one, but does it make money?
[2016-12-19 03:43:00] j8 : you guys both made small changes to the sample market maker right.
[2016-12-19 03:43:02] arbitrage001 : Rado: let me check
[2016-12-19 03:43:30] Rado : j8: I think his bot in not a market maker bot
[2016-12-19 03:43:38] arbitrage001 : Rado: made 0.0106 btc so far
[2016-12-19 03:43:42] arbitrage001 : on 3 days
[2016-12-19 03:43:44] rapidtrades : god damit i thought this will be printing money
[2016-12-19 03:43:46] arbitrage001 : in 3 days
[2016-12-19 03:44:24] arbitrage001 : j8: made some changes on price quuting
[2016-12-19 03:45:02] sleger : excellent changes then
[2016-12-19 03:45:09] Rado : arbitrage001: just on price quoting?
[2016-12-19 03:45:20] arbitrage001 : Rado: and size
[2016-12-19 03:45:25] Rado : what about when you start accumulating a position?
[2016-12-19 03:45:39] arbitrage001 : Rado: it will stop
[2016-12-19 03:45:39] rapidtrades : ride it to the moon?
[2016-12-19 03:45:41] Prince : Sleger what happened here that cost you that if you dont mind me asking.
[2016-12-19 03:45:51] rapidtrades : not this again
[2016-12-19 03:46:01] Rado : ha ha
[2016-12-19 03:46:18] Rado : sleger lets hear it one more time
[2016-12-19 03:46:28] j8 : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4nrpof/bitmexs_perpetual_xbt_swap_product_struggles/
[2016-12-19 03:46:56] Prince : Sorry if youve told it already. Just curious
[2016-12-19 03:47:21] arbitrage001 : btcvis == sleger?
[2016-12-19 03:47:27] arbitrage001 : btcvix
[2016-12-19 03:47:29] j8 : no. god i hope not
[2016-12-19 03:47:43] arbitrage001 : why not
[2016-12-19 03:47:51] Rado : I didn't know there is a reddit post on this
[2016-12-19 03:47:54] arbitrage001 : both have the same attitude
[2016-12-19 03:48:26] j8 : i dunno about that
[2016-12-19 03:48:42] arbitrage001 : j8: you are too diplomatic
[2016-12-19 03:48:44] Rado : arbitrage001: what is your bot's current size?
[2016-12-19 03:48:48] arbitrage001 : learn to be like rapid
[2016-12-19 03:48:58] arbitrage001 : Rado: 400
[2016-12-19 03:49:07] arbitrage001 : Rado: on march contract
[2016-12-19 03:49:24] j8 : it's in my canadian blood
[2016-12-19 03:49:36] Rado : arbitrage001: cool
[2016-12-19 03:50:09] Rado : max size?
[2016-12-19 03:50:11] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: why march not swap
[2016-12-19 03:50:27] Rado : rapidtrades: so he doesn't need to deal with funding
[2016-12-19 03:50:37] Rado : I will run on both
[2016-12-19 03:50:47] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: cuz swap is harder to trader, even by hand
[2016-12-19 03:51:10] rapidtrades : not if ur net short
[2016-12-19 03:51:21] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: is it?
[2016-12-19 03:51:34] Rado : rapidtrades: MM is not net long or short
[2016-12-19 03:51:44] arbitrage001 : i already have plan for swap later
[2016-12-19 03:51:53] rapidtrades : whats the plan
[2016-12-19 03:51:59] arbitrage001 : haha
[2016-12-19 03:52:16] arbitrage001 : from time to time, MM here pull out
[2016-12-19 03:52:22] arbitrage001 : then i will go in
[2016-12-19 03:52:46] j8 : i agree, the swap is not that easy to price. but you are greatly rewarded for arbing it near spot
[2016-12-19 03:52:51] Rado : anyone know if I can use CLEF with two bitmex accounts and one phone?
[2016-12-19 03:53:06] arbitrage001 : j8: if you have large capital here, yes
[2016-12-19 03:53:15] arbitrage001 : j8: my cock is tiny like rapid
[2016-12-19 03:53:16] BitMEX_Wally : Unfortunately Clef does not support multiple email addresses
[2016-12-19 03:53:18] j8 : size doesn't matter
[2016-12-19 03:53:27] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: clef is dumb
[2016-12-19 03:53:36] arbitrage001 : j8: so just quote the size based on your capital?
[2016-12-19 03:53:44] j8 : of course
[2016-12-19 03:53:55] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: what would you suggest?
[2016-12-19 03:54:15] arbitrage001 : j8: ok
[2016-12-19 03:54:17] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: is there a way to transfer BTC from one account to another?
[2016-12-19 03:54:18] arbitrage001 : thank you for the tips
[2016-12-19 03:54:33] sleger : Rado: its called blockchain
[2016-12-19 03:54:36] rapidtrades : what tips
[2016-12-19 03:54:37] sleger : you should read about it
[2016-12-19 03:54:46] rapidtrades : I didn't get any tips
[2016-12-19 03:54:52] Rado : sleger: that will take 1 day
[2016-12-19 03:54:54] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: dude
[2016-12-19 03:55:05] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: you need to learn from basic trading
[2016-12-19 03:55:06] sleger : Rado: 30 min ?
[2016-12-19 03:55:11] rapidtrades : Rado: not rly just do 20 cents and it will be fine
[2016-12-19 03:55:20] Rado : but since the BTC is already held by BitMEX they can just move it from one account to the other
[2016-12-19 03:55:40] Rado : rapidtrades: BitMEX withdrawal is once per day
[2016-12-19 03:55:47] sleger : Rado: then they should have subaccounts
[2016-12-19 03:55:48] micmix : arbitrage001: you made 0.01 last 3 days quoting 400 on XBTH17? I really hope you have some limits in place or god help you when bitcoin starts moving
[2016-12-19 03:56:12] Rado : sleger: agreed, sub accounts will solve it
[2016-12-19 03:56:18] rapidtrades : sleger: +1 for subaccounts
[2016-12-19 03:56:20] Rado : I want to run multiple bots
[2016-12-19 03:56:28] BitMEX_Wally : Rado: Email me support@bitmex.com and we will see what we can do
[2016-12-19 03:56:39] j8 : subaccounts! u2f! bitmex 2.0!
[2016-12-19 03:56:45] sleger : i dont know why the position limits are in place when we can have multiple accounts
[2016-12-19 03:57:00] sleger : should just be subaccounts and thats it
[2016-12-19 03:57:22] arbitrage001 : micmix: year, set my limit to 3k
[2016-12-19 03:57:31] micmix : oh god
[2016-12-19 03:57:38] arbitrage001 : micmix: anything wrong with 400 size and 0.01 profit?
[2016-12-19 03:58:02] sleger : arbitrage001: dude thats almost 2% return in 3 days
[2016-12-19 03:58:05] sleger : its awesome
[2016-12-19 03:58:21] sleger : do x10
[2016-12-19 03:58:25] arbitrage001 : sleger: is it? i am accepting 100btc investment
[2016-12-19 03:58:40] sleger : sorry i dont do less than 500
[2016-12-19 03:58:54] arbitrage001 : sleger: 500 btc also ok
[2016-12-19 03:59:07] sleger : i dont deal with people that accept as low as 100 btc either
[2016-12-19 03:59:29] sleger : unless they are micmix or j8
[2016-12-19 04:01:47] micmix : arbitrage001: just think about it, your limit is 3k and you made 8 in 3 days
[2016-12-19 04:06:38] Angelika : micmix: what do you mean?
[2016-12-19 04:13:19] rapidtrades : hey you're not Angela....
[2016-12-19 04:14:07] Angelika : I need company
[2016-12-19 04:14:12] Angelika : who is the biggest man in here?
[2016-12-19 04:14:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: sell 5100 @ 0.001443
[2016-12-19 04:14:54] j8 : Angelika: are you looking for wealth or sexual prowess?
[2016-12-19 04:15:22] Angelika : both
[2016-12-19 04:15:27] elmorte : coz there's plenty of wealth...
[2016-12-19 04:15:32] j8 : oh, definitely rapidtrades then
[2016-12-19 04:19:20] rapidtrades : j8: :)
[2016-12-19 04:20:00] j8 : nintendo down, i paper traded the shit out of that one
[2016-12-19 04:56:27] micmix : only 13.36 btc volume for today's Gemini auction. i guess bitcoin is dead until 2-3rd week of january
[2016-12-19 04:57:27] elmorte : Then the CNY comes
[2016-12-19 05:03:25] j8 : hearing a lot of calls for CNY downside after jan 1
[2016-12-19 05:03:55] elmorte : I meant the holiday, but yeah same here about the yuan
[2016-12-19 05:04:58] j8 : oh chinese new year
[2016-12-19 05:05:09] elmorte : yup, last week of Jan
[2016-12-19 05:05:11] j8 : gotcha
[2016-12-19 05:06:02] arbitrage001 : Angelika: i am your man, madam
[2016-12-19 05:09:47] arbitrage001 : got to love 3rd world
[2016-12-19 05:09:58] arbitrage001 : water shortage when it rains almost everyday
[2016-12-19 05:14:01] j8 : you can't drink the rain?
[2016-12-19 05:15:44] arbitrage001 : j8: not sure, i suppose one can with the proper filter system
[2016-12-19 05:16:07] arbitrage001 : air and water here not exactly "clean"
[2016-12-19 05:16:23] arbitrage001 : with the pollution
[2016-12-19 05:17:33] j8 : i see
[2016-12-19 05:20:01] micmix : rainwater is usually the best option if you can't get water from a deep well. it's going to be safer than filtered water from any ground source. takes a proper water treatment plant to make drinking water safe if it's taken from a lake/river
[2016-12-19 05:20:29] arbitrage001 : micmix: rain water cleaner than lake/river?
[2016-12-19 05:20:37] micmix : definately
[2016-12-19 05:20:45] arbitrage001 : i see
[2016-12-19 05:20:52] arbitrage001 : thank you for the tips
[2016-12-19 05:20:58] arbitrage001 : i will drink rainwater then
[2016-12-19 05:21:09] arbitrage001 : when my water tank run dry that is
[2016-12-19 05:22:20] micmix : but it has to be collected directly, it's not like you can use roof run off
[2016-12-19 05:22:52] arbitrage001 : micmix: use water bucket when it rains?
[2016-12-19 05:25:34] micmix : something like a big sheet of clean plastic
[2016-12-19 05:25:45] micmix : to collect from larger area
[2016-12-19 05:26:13] arbitrage001 : guess i need to do some planning then
[2016-12-19 05:26:24] arbitrage001 : as the infrastructure here falling apart
[2016-12-19 05:27:22] arbitrage001 : out for a bit
[2016-12-19 05:27:46] micmix : you can use special collector for drinking water and roof run off for everything else like laundry etc.
[2016-12-19 05:49:01] ett1 : true survivalist recycle their own piss
[2016-12-19 06:03:37] immackay : arbitrage001: where are you?
[2016-12-19 06:14:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 6100 @ 839.57
[2016-12-19 06:31:15] l3f : Somebody once told me that bitcoin doesn't retrace
[2016-12-19 06:31:19] aaaaa : it seems like now is china who follows europe instead these times before
[2016-12-19 06:31:24] l3f : and they've been taken to the liquidators
[2016-12-19 06:31:48] aaaaa : why??
[2016-12-19 06:32:06] l3f : sorry bad joke
[2016-12-19 08:07:50] rapidtrades : recycling rain water? we've fallen on hard times gentlemen
[2016-12-19 08:08:35] rapidtrades : back in 2013 we dreamed of a Lamborghini in every bitcoiner's backyard
[2016-12-19 08:31:07] DangerandPlay : LOL
[2016-12-19 08:33:33] PARAFFIN : Hey all
[2016-12-19 08:33:47] PARAFFIN : So i think BTC Will go over 800 this year
[2016-12-19 08:33:54] PARAFFIN : what do you think?
[2016-12-19 08:38:42] uiyuy : no
[2016-12-19 08:38:53] uiyuy : 798$ max
[2016-12-19 08:53:21] DangerandPlay : i think it's going to the moon :D
[2016-12-19 08:53:26] DangerandPlay : second half of january
[2016-12-19 08:54:06] micmix : rapidtrades: Lamborghini in the backyard doesn't help with water shortages, maybe if you use it as a rainwater collector
[2016-12-19 09:55:32] pause88 : wow someone arbitrarIly advised drinking rain water over ground or well water. Guess acid rain is lovely year-around
[2016-12-19 09:58:01] j8 : actually he said well > rain > lake/river
[2016-12-19 09:59:11] j8 : but this isn't the place to get a professional opinion on water quality
[2016-12-19 09:59:22] j8 : or anything else for that matter
[2016-12-19 10:07:19] rapidtrades : pause88: where do u think ground water comes from dummy?
[2016-12-19 10:07:36] rapidtrades : its not birthed by mother Earth u know
[2016-12-19 10:12:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 120 @ 0.009550